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The 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: idea was to do the fifty best players of the 17 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: last fifty years in the NBA, to basically take from 18 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: Kareem's rookie year to right now and not only give 19 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 2: you a list of fifty, but put them in order 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: one through fifty. It has taken me years. I thought 21 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: it was going to be a book. It's now via 22 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: this platform that we're going to do it. So it's 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: really the fifty best players of kind of the last 24 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: fifty two years. But we're going to call it fifty 25 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: of the last fifty from Kareem to now. 26 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: We'll get into who just missed. 27 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: We'll get into who was too old later, but before 28 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 2: we get to number fifty, just to set the parameters, 29 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 2: I'm not what matters, what does matter, what doesn't matter. 30 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: I'm not worried about off the court stuff. I'm not 31 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: worried about the Olympics. I'm not worried about international ball. 32 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: I'm worried about how many all NBA teams did you make? 33 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: Did you ever win an MVP? What did you do 34 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: in the playoffs? What did you do in the biggest moment? 35 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: What were your biggest accolades and awards? Those are the things. 36 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: That matter to me. 37 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: And now, without further ado, let's get right to number fifty. 38 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: One of the great what ifs an NBA history, the 39 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: Great Bernard King. 40 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 3: Number fifty, Bernard Key. 41 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: He pairs quite nicely like a wine with a stake. 42 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: With number forty nine. We'll explain that in a moment. 43 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: The accolades are the follow two times First Team All NBA, 44 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: one time Second Team, one time, thirteen he won a 45 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 2: scoring title, averaging thirty three points per game. He almost 46 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: won an MVP that year in nineteen eighty four, And 47 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 2: so here's the deal. He averages thirty three and then 48 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: he suffers a brutal injury, takes him a bit to 49 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 2: get back, and then six years later he's back up 50 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: to twenty eight per game. But then he got hurt again. 51 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: And this is back when you can't recover from injuries 52 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: the way guys can now. 53 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 3: And so he just didn't have it. 54 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 2: He didn't have the longevity of some other guys, but 55 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: his peak was incredibly high. So as you're gonna see 56 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: as we go throughout this list, we're talking about Bernard's 57 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: playoffs in a moment we are we're going to try 58 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: to value everything, right, So a guy who was really 59 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: good but did it for fifteen years, how do you 60 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: weigh that against a guy who was great but only 61 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: did it for eight years. Bernard King is obviously far 62 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: closer to the latter than the former. But the other 63 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: thing you're going to see is guys with light playoff 64 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: resumes are penalized greatly, and Bernard King, he doesn't have 65 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 2: a non existent playoff resume, but it's a light one. 66 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: So let me talk about what he did well nineteen 67 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: eighty four. He did beat Isaiah in the Pistons. That 68 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: Knicks team had no business beating Isaiah and the Pistons. 69 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: He beat him, how they beat him. He averages forty 70 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: three and eight for the series, forty three and eight. 71 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: He had four forty point games in that series, that 72 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: same Pistons team that would years a few years later 73 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: him up Michael Jordan three years in a row. Bernard 74 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: King beat him, so that matters. Then in round two, 75 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: this again is pre injury, it's his best year, almost. 76 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 3: Wins, MVP, does all these things. 77 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: He plays Bird Celtics in round two, so you have 78 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: Isaiah's Pistons in round one, you have Bird Celtics in 79 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: Round two. Gets to a Game seven against Bird Celtics, 80 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: averages twenty nine to five in that series, scores forty 81 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: four in Game six, down three to two, but they 82 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: lose Game seven, suffers the injury again. So the playoff 83 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: resume is really just that one year. But that's also 84 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: the one year in the playoffs where he hadn't been 85 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: hurt yet, So it does feel like he had amazing 86 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: things to come. Never quite reached it because of the injuries. 87 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 2: He's the fiftieth greatest player of the last fifty years, 88 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: the great Bernard King, who the way he explained how 89 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: he scored, there were like twelve spots on the court 90 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: he cared about. He just knew how to score from 91 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 2: those twelve spots. He had three dribble moves. He worked 92 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: on a dribble, right, dribble, left, dribble center. He would 93 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: look at out guarding him and then pick the spot 94 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 2: on the quarteryhos closest to pick the dribble movie needed 95 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 2: to do and that's how he would do it. Brilliant player, 96 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 2: a big what if the fiftieth greatest player ever? We 97 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: have a question mark about one Bernard King or a 98 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 2: question from a caller, I should say, let me hear it. 99 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 4: Not to be a millennial or anything, but who the 100 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 4: hell is Bernard King? And why do you have him 101 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 4: over Tracy McGrady. His shoes wasn't the best, but man, 102 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 4: that boy could score. He could. 103 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 104 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 4: Me, I'm just trying to figure out how Bernard is 105 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 4: over t missynt Let me know because I'm confused. Bro. 106 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 2: So that's about Tracy McGrady and Tracy McGrady is a 107 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 2: great question because Tracy McGrady, as spoiler alert, does not 108 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: make this list, so his peak was incredibly high. He also, 109 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: you could argue, was as good as gifted of a 110 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 2: scorer as Bernard King, So why does King make it 111 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: and Tracy doesn't. Tracy's one of the hardest omissions because 112 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: Tracy's lack of a playoff resume is even more glaring 113 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: than Bernard Kings. Tracy made the playoffs a bunch and 114 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: never gets out of round one, and if you go 115 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 2: through it, it's not great instances on him not getting 116 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: out of round one, there's a lot of Game sevens 117 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: and it's not great performances. So most famously, he's up 118 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: three to one on Detroit, up three to one on 119 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: Detroit in round one. They not only lose the next three, 120 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 2: but he's eight of twenty in game five. He's seven 121 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 2: of twenty four in game seven. Now he's really good 122 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: in game six, but they lose by fifteen despite it, 123 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 2: that's not great. The next time he's in the playoffs, 124 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: another game seven, a series against Dallas. This time he's 125 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 2: with Houston. He's ten of twenty six in that Game seven. 126 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 2: They lose the next year, two years later, is in 127 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 2: the playoffs again, another game seven, this against Utah. He's 128 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: not bad, don't get me wrong, He's not bad. In 129 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: the game seven he is twenty nine and thirteen. That 130 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 2: it was by four, but the problem was they were 131 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: up three to two, and in game six he's eight 132 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: of twenty three. So that McGrady, the playoff stuff, in 133 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: my opinion, just kills him. He just misses out. And 134 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: so that's why he's not on the list. And that's 135 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: why forget being number fifty, he's certainly not number forty nine, 136 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 2: number forty nine. Another guy who people hold the playoff 137 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: resume against him one Carmelo Anthony. 138 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 3: Number forty nine. 139 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 5: Carmelo Anthony. 140 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 6: This episode is brought to you by Unstoppable. 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He doesn't have. 155 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: Any first all NBA first teams, but he has two 156 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: second teams and four third teams. 157 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: He also won a scoring. 158 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: Title, was a one time scoring champ, and he finished 159 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: third in the MVP voting one year. Now, as far 160 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 2: as the postseason goes, famously never made a finals. However, 161 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: he was the best player on a conference finalist. That again, 162 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: that doesn't get that doesn't do much for you, but 163 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: it's something. And in that conference finals against Kobe Is 164 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: back when he was with Denver, he's twenty eight five 165 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 2: and four. It's twenty eight five and four in those 166 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 2: conference finals and in the playoffs from that year from 167 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: nine to twenty thirteen, he was twenty eight a game. 168 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: So you have the fact that he is top ten 169 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 2: all time scoring in NBA history. He is a guy who, 170 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: though I would say in the best team he was on, 171 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,239 Speaker 2: they did exactly what they should have done. In the postseason. 172 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: They got as far as they should have gotten. They 173 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: didn't underachieve. They were two to two with the Lakers. 174 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: And if you remember, I don't know if you do, 175 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: that Game five against the Lakers is tied going into 176 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. Carmelo was excellent in that game five, 177 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 2: actually outplayed Kobe in that Game five, but they ended 178 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: up losing the fourth quarter by nine points I think, 179 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: And so they end up losing that game and they 180 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 2: lose Game six. 181 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: That's a great what if? 182 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: What if Carmelo had carried that Nuggets team to the finals? 183 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: Not only what if for his legacy, but also does 184 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: he then stay with Denver because the other part that 185 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: killed Mellow And I know this has been brought up 186 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: a lot, but it warn't mentioning. He wanted to get 187 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 2: to New York very badly. That's fine, but he also 188 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 2: wanted all his money. So instead of waiting a year 189 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 2: and signing with the Knicks outright he forced it there early. 190 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: The Knicks then have to trade all those pieces to 191 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: get him, which then undercuts his ability to win with them. 192 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: But when he did get to New York, the best 193 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: team he was on With New York, they again got 194 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: as far as they should have gotten in the playoffs. 195 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: They get to Round two and who they lose to 196 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: Lebron in the heat. So it's not like there were 197 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: a bunch of years Carmelo was on the better team 198 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: and fell short. I do think that happened with the 199 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: guy like Trayson Grady we just mentioned. I also think 200 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: this final act of Carmelo's career is a valuable one. 201 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: After he was essentially kicked out of the league. Nobody 202 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: wanted that he wouldn't come off the bench. He didn't 203 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: work in Houston. What he was able to do for Portland, 204 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 2: what he's been able to do for the Lakers, is 205 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: an important minor legacy and answer probably just enough not 206 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: only did get him into the top ten all time 207 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: in scoring, but to push him ahead of a guy 208 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: like Bernard King. So the two greatest Nick scorers ever, 209 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: Bernard King and Carmelo Anthony, come in fifty to forty nine. 210 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: I think we have a caller that wants to ask 211 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: about Carmelo. 212 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 5: Hey, Pop, Sistebonse live in the house. I've got a 213 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 5: question for you. You say the playoffs matter in this 214 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 5: whole ranker thing. Melos only made it past the first 215 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 5: round two times in his entire career. Please tell me 216 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 5: how it is that he got here. I'd really appreciate it. 217 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 5: Thank you. 218 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 4: Bye. 219 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: So I think that again, I don't look at Carmelo 220 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: as a playoff failure. I understand he didn't have much 221 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: playoff success. 222 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: But if you go through the actual and I'm gonna 223 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 3: pull it up for you guys right now. 224 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: If you go through the career playoff series, like what 225 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: is the series Carmelo lost that, you're like, oh man, no, 226 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: oh business losing that? If we're not going to talk 227 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: about very early in his career. So in eight with Denver, 228 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: or you go to seven with Denver, they lose to 229 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: the Spurs. The Spurs won the title that year. Eight 230 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 2: with Denver, they lose to the Lakers. All right, Well, 231 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: the Lakers went to the finals that year. The next 232 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 2: year with Denver's the year that you lose to the 233 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: Lakers and the conference finals. And I'm gonna go a 234 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: little overtime here defending my guy mellow who yes, listen, 235 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 2: he is a Syracuse guy, and he did deliver us 236 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: a championship. 237 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 3: It's still ninth all time. We can score. 238 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: The next year in Denver, they lose to Utah on six. Okay, 239 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 2: I guess you can argue that year. You know, maybe 240 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 2: they should have won that series. But then when he 241 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: goes to the Knicks, who do they lose to. They 242 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 2: lose to the Celtics Big Three. That's the better team. 243 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 2: They lose to the Heat, that's the better team. They 244 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: then lose to the Celtics. Again, that's the better team. 245 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen, they lose in round two to the Pacers. Okay, yeah, 246 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: maybe you win that series. But that Paul George roy 247 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 2: everteen was good. That team took Lebron and the Heat 248 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 2: to seven. And then after that it's with OKC, OKC. 249 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: We're going to hold that one against him. No, he's 250 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: a different player, so I don't look at the it. Yes, 251 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: you would like to have a better playoff resume, but 252 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 2: if you have a better playoff resume and your top ten 253 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 2: all time in scoring, you're higher than forty ninth. Carmelo Anthony, 254 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: the forty ninth greatest player of all time, will be 255 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 2: right back. Welcome back in What's Right with Nick Wright 256 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: podcast YouTube show, where we are counting down the fifty 257 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: greatest players of the last fifty years in the NBA. 258 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: And even though it's basically Kareem's rookie year to now, 259 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: I would feel personally remiss if I didn't at least 260 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 2: acknowledge guys who belong on any NBA list, if. 261 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 3: They weren't just too old for it. 262 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: So the guys this isn't the entire list of guys 263 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: who were too old to make to make this list, 264 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 2: but it's. 265 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 3: A partial list. 266 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to go through them in a somewhat of 267 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 2: chronological order. So, you know, Bill Russell, Elgin Baylor, Bob 268 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 2: Pettitt and George Mikeen were the two greatest players of 269 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 2: the pre Wilt Russell era of NBA history. Bob Pettitt's 270 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: you know, career accolades still hold up. George Michen was 271 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: a dominant, dominant force in the league. So those guys 272 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: have to be on any list. Obviously Russell, So I 273 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: think Russell somehow is underrated. He won eleven titles in 274 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: thirteen years. He won the league MVP five times, and 275 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: that was back when the players were voting on it. 276 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: Everybody knows will Well had a fifty point per game season. 277 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: Same season he averaged more than forty eight minutes per game. 278 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: He won an assist title. He just didn't win enough. 279 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: If Wilt won two more titles, he's probably Babe Ruth 280 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: of basketball. Even one hundred years later, people would be like, ah, 281 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 2: that's the greatest player ever. In that same era, you 282 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: have Elgin Baylor and jaredry West competing with those guys. 283 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: It's one of the reasons Jerry's one in eight in 284 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: the finals. You also have Oscar robertson the original triple double. 285 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: Those guys have to be on any all time list. 286 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 2: They're just too old for mine. Another great guy that 287 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: is not the caliber of those players. But what is 288 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: on the NBA seventy five list, and justifiably is Willis Reid. 289 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: The reason I'm mentioning him is Willis Reid is the 290 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: youngest guy who's too old for this list. So if 291 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: that helps your mind's eye. If you're an NBA historian, 292 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: as we're going through this top fifty, you're like, wait, 293 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: why didn't such and such make it? Why didn't John 294 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: Halichik make it? 295 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: Too old? 296 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: Anybody who's willis Reid's era generation or older does not 297 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 2: make this list, So that's kind of the cutoff there. 298 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: Now Here are guys who were eligible but did not 299 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: make it. Now this will not spoil the list entirely 300 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: because they are because there are certain guys that made 301 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: the top seventy five that didn't. Not only did they 302 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: not make my top fifty, but they weren't even my 303 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: honorable mentions. 304 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna name any names. 305 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: Reggie Miller, but Reggie Miller hes guy's seventeen three and 306 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: three for his career was never even sniffed in MVP. 307 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: Why is he this consensus top seventy five guy? I 308 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: don't know, but let's go through some of these guys. 309 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: So wes Unselled has the top end to make this list, 310 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: but not the body of work. He has an MVP, 311 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: and he has a finals MVP, but he only has 312 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: one truly great season. Also, and I'm not trying to 313 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: bore you with old wes Unselled facts, but wes Unseld's 314 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: finals MVP is one of the most unfair thefts in 315 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: NBA history. We don't have to get into it, but 316 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: we are gonna name a guy who's on this list, 317 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 2: who made it, who obviously, clearly and by any fair definition, 318 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: should have been MVP of that finals. He somehow doesn't 319 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: get it. His name's Elvin Hayes and so Wes Unseld. 320 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: Great player and you know, would be on the top sixty, 321 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 2: but not good enough for the top fifty in my opinion. 322 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 2: Dave Cowens, he won a couple are a couple of rings, 323 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: He won an MVP, he just missed the cut. Adrian 324 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: Dantley two scoring titles, and he's a you know, he's 325 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 2: a what if would the Pistons have won if they 326 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 2: kept him? In eighty eight? The Pistons should win the 327 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: title probably. I mean they're up three to two on 328 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 2: the Lakers. There's a you know, the famous Isaiah Thomas 329 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: Sprain ankle game. There is some people feel a phantom 330 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 2: foul call that sends Cream to the line. The Lakers 331 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 2: escape game six. They then win in seven because Isaiah 332 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: is crippled and is a shell of himself. The Pistons 333 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: then trade Dantly, so Dantley misses out on the championships. 334 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 3: Would they have won with him? Maybe? I don't know. 335 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: He just misses out. Another guy from that ero who 336 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: just missed out Alex English. 337 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 3: I think. I'm not certain. 338 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 2: I think he's the highest on the all time scoring 339 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 2: list of guys that didn't make my list. The problem 340 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: is it's all he did. He makes one conference finals, 341 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 2: that's it. 342 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 3: I know. 343 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 2: My guy Colin Cowherd loves him some Alex English. To me, 344 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 2: he's out. He just barely misses the cut, but he 345 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 2: is out. We also got to go Paul Pierce. Paul 346 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 2: Pierce's finals MVP? Now, is it a legit finals MVP? 347 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 3: Maybe? Was he the best. 348 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: Player on that team? Absolutely not? But was he the 349 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 2: best player in those finals? 350 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 3: Maybe? 351 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: He also is a top twenty all time scorer. However, 352 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 2: only one time was he first or second team All NBA. 353 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: I feel he was the third best of the big three. 354 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: All of those things, in my estimation, have to matter. 355 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 2: So Paul Pierce, he just misses the cut. Listen, the 356 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 2: shot alone almost gets him on the list. You can 357 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 2: almost make the argument Ray Allen, because he had maybe 358 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: the most iconic shot in NBA history, that alone should 359 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 2: be enough to get him on this list. However, I 360 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 2: can't put him on it because he was never an 361 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: MVP candidate. Really, he was never a first team All 362 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: NBA consensus guy I and in my he was. He 363 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: was a great part of some great teams, but never 364 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 2: the leading part. And so I love Ray. Ray was 365 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 2: a tough omission, but he doesn't make the list. Tracy McGrady, 366 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: we talked about him in the first segment. If you 367 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 2: were listening, Tracy McGrady is probably the best of all 368 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: the players that as far as what their career upside was. 369 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: He is probably the best of all of them that 370 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 2: did not make this list. He is probably the guy 371 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: that his a You know, he was an MVP CA, 372 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: he was a scoring champion. However, his lack of playoff 373 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 2: success and we went over it so I don't have 374 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 2: to belabor it here is so glaring when compared to 375 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 2: the guys who made this list that I think he 376 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 2: was a pharaoh mission from my list and a pharaoh 377 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: mission from the top seventy five list. I want to 378 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: go back in history just a moment before we get 379 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 2: to Jokic. Also not on the list is Pistol Pete Merriviage. 380 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 2: Pistol Pete he's another there was no winning, no winning whatsoever. 381 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: He didn't have much longevity. He was on when I 382 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 2: did this thing. Initially, Pistol Pete was there, and then 383 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 2: I removed him in favor of someone else after really 384 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: deep diving into it. Iconic player, amazing scorer, forty a 385 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: game in college with no three point line, but we 386 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: told you college stuff doesn't matter. 387 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 3: Pistol Pete not there. 388 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: And then the two current guys who probably will be 389 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 2: on the NBA's one hundred at one one hundred, but 390 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 2: I don't feel have done enough to make this list, 391 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 2: Damian Lillard and Nikola Jokicic. Also, by the way, Klay Thompson. 392 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: But Clay to me was not a heard ow mission, 393 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: nor was Kyrie to me. If we're talking about guys 394 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: that should make it that didn't, Dame and Jokic are 395 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 2: the ones that you got to discuss. Okay, So Dame 396 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 2: does have an obviously elite resime. The problem is he 397 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: just hasn't done it long enough. If you're so he's 398 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 2: four time first or second team, that's that's valid. Twenty 399 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 2: five points per game, that's valid. But you've been to 400 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 2: one conference finals. You got washed out. In those conference finals. 401 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: You have never been, in my opinion, forget considered the 402 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 2: best player in the league. I don't think there's ever 403 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 2: been a moment you've been considered the best guard in 404 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: the league. And because you're still active, you haven't played 405 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,719 Speaker 2: long enough, so you're never in the best of your position. 406 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: You've never been on a real contender. You only have 407 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: one playoff run pass round two. It's just not enough. 408 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 2: I think you'll make the next list. It's just not enough. 409 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: And then there's Jokic. And when I talked on social 410 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 2: media about that I'm doing this project, people were like, 411 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 2: oh my god, can't wait to see where you have 412 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: Joki ranked. 413 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 3: I was like, well, I don't. 414 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: I'm ranked Nick. That's so it's not unfair. And I'm 415 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 2: not saying Jokic is not going to end up being 416 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,479 Speaker 2: on all of these lists eventually, but if the world 417 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 2: stopped today, he flatley does not have the resume of 418 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 2: other guys who didn't make the list. I know he 419 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: has a league MVP, but so does Dave Cowens, and 420 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 2: I didn't put Dave Cowens on this list. So does 421 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: Dereck Rose and Derek Rose. By the way, spoiler alert, 422 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 2: not on this list. He has been two time All 423 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: NBA First Team and he'll either be first or second 424 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 2: team this year, one time All NBA Second Team, so 425 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: the last three years he's been spectacular. He also has 426 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 2: only been out around two once, and nobody's expecting them 427 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 2: to get around two this year. And he has the 428 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 2: one year where he was an MVP candidate, last year 429 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 2: where he won it. 430 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 3: This year's another MVP candidate. So it is not a 431 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 3: knock on Jokic. 432 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: It's just if you have no championships, no finals appearances, 433 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: and only four outstanding seasons, how can I put you 434 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 2: on the list over a guy like Adrian Dantley. 435 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 3: How can I put you on the list over a 436 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 3: guy like Dave Cowens. I can't. 437 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 2: Those guys didn't even make the list. Welcome back into 438 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: the What's the Right Podcast? Fifty greatest Players the last 439 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 2: fifty years Special editions. As you might be able to tell, 440 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 2: I had a quick wardrobe change. That's because I'm talking 441 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: to you from the future, well actually the past, but 442 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 2: whatever it is, I'm talking to you weeks after I 443 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 2: talked to you about Carmelo Anthony and Bernard King because 444 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: I forgot to do the final segment of the show. 445 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: I was so excited I just left. So now I'm 446 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 2: telling you what's coming up next week, Players forty eight 447 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 2: through forty four. There's going to be a serious historical, 448 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: you know, kind of tinge to those to that part 449 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: of the rankings, including one guy who I feel was 450 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: the second biggest omission, the second most egregious omission from 451 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 2: the NBA's top seventy five list, and some of the 452 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 2: greatest defenders ever will be featured in Players forty eight 453 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 2: through forty four. Once again, these series will be coming 454 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 2: out once every week. We are counting down the fifty 455 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 2: greatest players the last fifty years. I'm so excited to 456 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 2: finally be putting out to the public sphere a project 457 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 2: I've been working on literally for the last few years 458 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 2: in my spare time. So join us next week for 459 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 2: Players forty eight through forty four of the fifty greatest 460 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 2: players the last fifty years in the NBA on What's 461 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 2: right with Nick greg 462 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 4: Not f