WEBVTT - Empire on Blood | 8. I Shot Him

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<v Speaker 1>Previously on Empire on Blood who stayed a full name

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<v Speaker 1>for the record, my name is Calvin Lures.

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<v Speaker 2>If this is satisfactory for conviction, I might be in

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<v Speaker 2>for an extremely long haul.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, cal you did it.

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<v Speaker 4>You did it.

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<v Speaker 2>We were two inmates who had sentences that ended with

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<v Speaker 2>life on the back. Neither one of us knew if

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<v Speaker 2>we would ever get out of prison.

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<v Speaker 5>We're always gonna come.

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<v Speaker 3>Out on top.

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<v Speaker 6>It was a nineteen nineties hip hop party, loud music, lights,

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<v Speaker 6>all filled a teenagers email.

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<v Speaker 1>McDowell had been at a party, a Sweet sixteen party

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<v Speaker 1>at a community center in Bedford Stuyvesant, Brooklyn. It was

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<v Speaker 1>October nineteen ninety. He was seventeen years old, an honorall

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<v Speaker 1>student in twelfth grade. Email had gone with a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of friends, arriving about eleven pm, fashionably late. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a chilly evening and everyone crowded inside the center.

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<v Speaker 6>They ain't really meant to hold that many people put

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<v Speaker 6>there in there?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 6>Do you have a DJ there with speakers that are

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<v Speaker 6>saved probably up to your waist, glaring ll cool J

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<v Speaker 6>and everybody singing along, screaming a favorite lyric.

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<v Speaker 1>Email was at one end of the community Center. At

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<v Speaker 1>the other end, there was a fight, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>fight moved outside and there was a shooting. One bullet

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<v Speaker 1>in the chest. A nineteen year old died.

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<v Speaker 2>They asked me to come to the precinct. I walked

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<v Speaker 2>over there by myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I figured, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I was at the party, so they would want

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<v Speaker 2>to speak to me, like almost the other one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>people that were there, which was fine. I'm always sent

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<v Speaker 2>up to the homicide squad. They asked me, did I

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<v Speaker 2>want to be in a lineup? I was like okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Final three witnesses were brought in. One witness said that

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't identify anyone. Another witness he wasn't sure, and

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<v Speaker 2>they said the third person identified me as having committed

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<v Speaker 2>the crime. So I was arrested, charged with murdering the

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<v Speaker 2>second degree.

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<v Speaker 1>Email wouldn't go home for two decades. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>years of confusion for me. How did this happen? This

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<v Speaker 1>is Steve Fishman and this is Empire on Blood the

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<v Speaker 1>director's cut a story of murder, betrayal, and a man

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<v Speaker 1>who fought the law for two decades. In this new episode,

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<v Speaker 1>we continue Email mcdowe's story because something life changing has

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<v Speaker 1>happened to Email. Over the years, Email and I had

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<v Speaker 1>struck up a friendship. I came to trust his judgment.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I am so outside the culture, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I had a question for him. It's going to seem

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm a spectator, you know, kind of tapping on

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<v Speaker 1>the aquarium.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, it gives more credibility because it's coming from

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<v Speaker 2>someone that can't be labeled as like you're just a sympathizer,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas someone like me who grew up in Brooklyn bephist ivisaid.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one of the things that I have to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with because when I tried to advocate certain issues, people

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<v Speaker 2>see me where if I had lived in the suburbs,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be different.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, that's that's encouraging. In nineteen ninety, the

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<v Speaker 1>police arrested Email. For the cops, it was an open

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<v Speaker 1>and shutcase. They solved the murder in under twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 1>A trial. Email pleaded not guilty, The jury found him guilty,

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<v Speaker 1>and the judge sentenced him to twenty two years to life,

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<v Speaker 1>longer than he'd been alive. Email sometimes thought about his

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<v Speaker 1>decision to go to the precinct voluntarily.

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<v Speaker 5>Go in, thinking you're being cooperative, and you get stuck

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<v Speaker 5>like glue.

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<v Speaker 1>At the age of seventeen, Email was brought to Riker's Island,

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<v Speaker 1>where his face was slashed while using a prison pay

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<v Speaker 1>phone in his cell. Email contemplated his life.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just trying to make sense of it. How

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<v Speaker 2>did this happen? I was always under the belief that

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<v Speaker 2>to get a conviction, they want to make sure they

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<v Speaker 2>get the right guy, especially in the murder case. And

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<v Speaker 2>I finally got it. If I was going to prove

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<v Speaker 2>that I did not shoot this guy, that I did

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<v Speaker 2>not have anything to do with him getting killed, I

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<v Speaker 2>needed to take matters into my own hand. I needed

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<v Speaker 2>to learn the law to start to fight for myself,

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<v Speaker 2>being my own advocate.

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<v Speaker 1>You might remember, Email was what you could call an

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<v Speaker 1>accomplished prison citizen. His reputation for accomplishment spread through the institution.

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<v Speaker 1>COAL noticed and.

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<v Speaker 7>I was just looking at him from a far and

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<v Speaker 7>I really could see why he was never supposed to

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<v Speaker 7>be in prison. He never fell into the mold of prison.

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<v Speaker 7>He was running Cornell University College inside the prison. He

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<v Speaker 7>was running a lot of programs inside of prison. He

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<v Speaker 7>actually ran the whole industry that I made. The license

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<v Speaker 7>plates in the prison, Email was doing a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>positive things in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>By then, Email had taught himself a lot of law.

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<v Speaker 1>He was recognized throughout the New York State prison system

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<v Speaker 1>for his legal prowess. For six years at Auburn Correctional Institution,

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<v Speaker 1>he taught a legal research class.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody knew that that was my prim everything legal research, litigation,

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<v Speaker 2>and working on actual innocence type stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Inmates regularly came to him with their legal problems. They

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<v Speaker 1>wanted help. Email turned most everyone away because most weren't serious.

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<v Speaker 2>I was willing to help the other inmates, but I've

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<v Speaker 2>had my time wasted a lot of times where I

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<v Speaker 2>could have spent that time on my own case.

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<v Speaker 1>Half a dozen years after Call entered prison, he started

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<v Speaker 1>showing up at Email's door. You can imagine that Email

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't exactly impressed with a drug dealer accused of murdering

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of guys near his place of business, and

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<v Speaker 1>so Email put cal to the test.

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<v Speaker 2>The little library is like the place that had the plague.

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<v Speaker 8>It.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't have computers, we had typewriters.

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<v Speaker 1>We had to use the.

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<v Speaker 2>Books, so we had to do it the old fashioned way.

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<v Speaker 1>When you walk in it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just rolls and bookshelves with just books, tons of books.

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<v Speaker 1>The little library opened for the evening at five thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, Email told Cal to meet him in the library.

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<v Speaker 1>At five thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Cal was there and he actually came down with a

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<v Speaker 2>big fold of papers and he was patient. Actually, it

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<v Speaker 2>was like he's organizing this stuff because he wants to

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<v Speaker 2>make a presentation.

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<v Speaker 1>But Email lets Col know he's busy. This was the test.

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<v Speaker 2>If he wasn't serious, if he really wanted to go

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<v Speaker 2>to the yard, he would have left on the early

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<v Speaker 2>go back. But he stated, And I waited until about

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<v Speaker 2>seven o'clock and I went and sat down next to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Library had pretty much emptied out, and so I was saying,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what you got here? And he started telling

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<v Speaker 2>me his story.

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<v Speaker 1>That meeting changed CON's life.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh Man, email was very important to me. Man was like, yo, Cal,

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<v Speaker 7>I know very emotional with your case, but you can't

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<v Speaker 7>put all this stuff in your case.

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<v Speaker 1>Cal rambles.

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<v Speaker 2>He was more caught up in his own you know,

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<v Speaker 2>anger and frustration. Well, he's saying like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what to do. He said, you know, would would you

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<v Speaker 2>help me? I'm not asking you to do it for me,

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<v Speaker 2>but just guide me.

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<v Speaker 1>But Email did do some of it for him.

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<v Speaker 7>I were a hundred page packet, right, Email turned that

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<v Speaker 7>packet into fifteen or twenty pages. But it was so

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<v Speaker 7>concise and so powerful. I was sending this packet out

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<v Speaker 7>to a lot of the attorneys. I was getting a

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<v Speaker 7>greater reception.

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<v Speaker 8>Right.

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<v Speaker 7>So that's when I really learned Yo, Email know his shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Email spent almost all of his free time in the

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<v Speaker 1>law library, and not just to help other inmates. Once

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<v Speaker 1>Email realized he had to help himself, he was energized.

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<v Speaker 1>He started focusing granularly on that sweet sixteen party, the

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<v Speaker 1>one at the community center with the teenagers jammed inside

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<v Speaker 1>the building, dancing and shouting on a chilly night, and

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<v Speaker 1>he concentrated on the shooting, the fatal shooting that happened

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<v Speaker 1>towards midnight. He pieced the story together.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in jail, so I'm calling everybody saying what specifically happened?

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<v Speaker 8>What would that?

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<v Speaker 2>And different people are telling me different stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember, Email says that at the party, he didn't see

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<v Speaker 1>the fight or the shooting that followed, so he needed

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<v Speaker 1>more information. He learned that there had been a beef

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<v Speaker 1>between two groups of teenagers. One was led by an

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<v Speaker 1>older teen a bully. He and his friends had beat

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<v Speaker 1>up a couple of kids, and then someone put a

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<v Speaker 1>bullet in the bully's chest. The prosecution supposed eyewitness claimed

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<v Speaker 1>that someone was Email.

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<v Speaker 2>Once I realized where the prosecution witness was saying that

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<v Speaker 2>he allegedly was, I told my defense attorney, I need

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<v Speaker 2>him to get photos of the crime scene, because what

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecution witness was testifying to was that he stood

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<v Speaker 2>in a doorway and literally seen through a brick wall.

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<v Speaker 1>But in court, the prosecutor repeatedly and with an attitude

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<v Speaker 1>like he was annoyed by the question, denied that he

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<v Speaker 1>had the crime scene photos, which is bizarre. Cops always

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<v Speaker 1>take crime scene photos and the prosecutor always receives them.

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<v Speaker 1>Email was frustrated and depressed. Prison is a very lonely place,

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<v Speaker 1>and Email's quote unquote investigation had stoled. Then one day

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<v Speaker 1>out of blue, Email received a letter in the mail.

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<v Speaker 1>It was handwritten and signed by a friend, a friend

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<v Speaker 1>who'd accompanied Email to the party. This letter will prove

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<v Speaker 1>crucial to Email's case, and so I'm going to read

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<v Speaker 1>it to you. Email. You know me and you were

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<v Speaker 1>friends for a very long time, and that incident that

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<v Speaker 1>occurred should not break up our friendship. I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to know that if it were the other way around,

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<v Speaker 1>I would hold out and try to make the best

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<v Speaker 1>of things. Is it just me or does the writer

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be admitting to the crime, not straight out,

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<v Speaker 1>but reading between the lines, and also suggesting that Email

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<v Speaker 1>live with it and do the time, even if it

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<v Speaker 1>was time he shouldn't be doing. The letter continues, Email,

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<v Speaker 1>don't think for one bit because I'm out here. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not suffering because I am man. I'm suffering. I have nightmares,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't sleep or eat. Sometimes I just pray for death.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I deserve to walk the face of

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<v Speaker 1>the earth because one of my best friends is locked

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<v Speaker 1>up for something that he didn't do. I feel like this,

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<v Speaker 1>if whoever didn't do what they had to do, we

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<v Speaker 1>probably would have been dead. I'm not out here hiding.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in Florida so I can try to get peace

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<v Speaker 1>of mind and soul. That letter was signed by Baron Blount,

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<v Speaker 1>Email's friend. They'd gone to the party together. On the street.

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<v Speaker 1>It was rumored that Baron was the shooter, and the

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<v Speaker 1>cops did talk to Baron. Barron told them he heard shots,

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<v Speaker 1>but only from a distance, and so the cops arrested Email.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, they had supposed eyewitness who identified Email. When

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<v Speaker 1>Email received the letter, he was elated he had something

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<v Speaker 1>time barren to the crime. But for Email there was

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<v Speaker 1>a problem, a legal problem. His appeals had to challenge

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<v Speaker 1>what had happened during the trial and the letter it

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<v Speaker 1>arrived after the trial. Email understood the problem.

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<v Speaker 6>If it's not part of the record, you can't use it.

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<v Speaker 6>It doesn't even exist.

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<v Speaker 1>Email filed every possible appeal, but he could never include

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<v Speaker 1>the letter. The DA dug in. He opposed each of

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<v Speaker 1>Email's appeals, and each time the DA prevailed. By two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and seven, that's seventeen years after Email entered prison,

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<v Speaker 1>his state appeals were exhausted. Like cal he had one

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<v Speaker 1>last shot, a four to forty motion. The four forty

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<v Speaker 1>offered a legal advantage. It allowed Email to argue that

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<v Speaker 1>he was actually innocent, and this is key. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to stick to the record made in court. He

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<v Speaker 1>could now introduce newly discovered evidence. He could submit the letter.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time Email filed his four to forty motion,

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<v Speaker 1>the DA's office had coughed up the crime scene photos,

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<v Speaker 1>the photos they had been saying didn't exist. Email could

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<v Speaker 1>show that the supposed eyewitness could not have seen what

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<v Speaker 1>he claimed to have seen. Email now knew the prosecutor

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<v Speaker 1>had cheated.

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<v Speaker 2>All you wanted to do was convict somebody for homicide.

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<v Speaker 2>You knew they were I, and that's on the oath.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you allowed him again to go on the

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<v Speaker 2>oath to say I looked dead in this guy's.

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<v Speaker 1>Eyes, this guy being Email.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen his entire face. I seen him reaching his

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<v Speaker 2>waist pull a gun out, and I watched him pull

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<v Speaker 2>a trigger, and I saw that gun flash and it

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<v Speaker 2>hit the decease in the chest. That's a blatant material lie.

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<v Speaker 1>In his four forty papers, Email included the letter from

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<v Speaker 1>Baron Blount, a letter he'd been waiting seventeen years to use. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the letter might not be a full confession, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was close, and it surely qualified as newly discovered evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Email was recognized as a master jailhouse lawyer, but still

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<v Speaker 1>he needed a licensed attorney to defend him in court.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd recently read in the newspaper about a lawyer named

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar mitchellin Oscar had won a big case for a

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<v Speaker 1>wrongfully convicted man. Email wrote to him, and Oscar agreed

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<v Speaker 1>to step in, and it.

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<v Speaker 6>Was it was a relief for me, right talking to

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<v Speaker 6>somebody who fucking got it. It didn't feel like I

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<v Speaker 6>was trying to explain a foreigner language.

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar grew up in the Bronx. He lives in Long

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<v Speaker 1>Island now, a bald, middle aged man with electric guitars

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<v Speaker 1>from his rock and roll days strewn around the house.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Bronx, he'd attended public school. He'd been to

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<v Speaker 1>parties like the one that landed Email in jail.

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<v Speaker 6>Talking to Oscar. You know, everything that I explained to

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<v Speaker 6>him is not subjected to this sense of you're lying

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<v Speaker 6>because it doesn't jive with my life experience.

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<v Speaker 1>An Email likes something else about Oscar.

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<v Speaker 6>He's aggressive. He doesn't just let them walk him around

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<v Speaker 6>the courtroom like a fucking puppy like a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>these lawyers, do you know, Ostill rolls up the sleeves

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<v Speaker 6>and like, fuck it, this is a rumble, let's get

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<v Speaker 6>to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Email one is for forty motion, and that earned him

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<v Speaker 1>a hearing on the merits of his case. At that hearing,

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<v Speaker 1>he could win a reversal of his conviction, and so

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and nine, Email was seated at the

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<v Speaker 1>defense table with Oscar. There's no recording of this hearing,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know there was one key spectator, Email's mother.

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<v Speaker 1>She sat in the back. Email was prepared for a

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<v Speaker 1>legal war, but then surprisingly, before the hearing started, the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutor approached Oscar. He didn't really know what to expect.

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<v Speaker 1>He certainly didn't expect that the prosecutor would offer a deal.

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<v Speaker 6>He said, no, no, no, we don't think you shot him.

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<v Speaker 6>We think you were involved. And that's when my head

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<v Speaker 6>probably should have exploded.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty years earlier, Email had been indicted as the sole actor,

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<v Speaker 1>not for anything else, not for being.

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<v Speaker 5>Involved, me solo by myself.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, I know, you guys probably didn't do this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Oscar talking about the prosecutor.

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<v Speaker 9>But I got nothing on Blount.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, at that point, the DA's office didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>it worth the effort to speak to Baron Blount, the

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<v Speaker 1>author of the letter. So yeah, they had nothing on Blount.

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<v Speaker 3>Know me that he said to.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, he being the prosecutor, He.

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<v Speaker 8>Said to me, sometimes we can't let the truth get

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<v Speaker 8>in the way of justice.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, what the fuck does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>In effact, the prosecutor is talking to Email.

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<v Speaker 6>You're basically telling me I don't care. That's the truth

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<v Speaker 6>getting lost in a pursuit of justice.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecutor said he was sure that Email was a

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<v Speaker 1>participant in the murder.

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<v Speaker 6>I believe that he was involved somehow, So I'm going

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<v Speaker 6>to continue to pursue him. He's going to cheat like

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<v Speaker 6>they did in my first droute.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I wasn't going to get a fair hamon or

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<v Speaker 3>fair dropper.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though the prosecutor seemed convinced that Email was not

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<v Speaker 1>the shooter, he had no intention of letting him off.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if the judge ruled in Email's favor and vacated

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<v Speaker 1>his conviction. The prosecutor assured Email he would not relent.

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<v Speaker 1>He promised to oppose bail and to take Email to

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<v Speaker 1>trial again.

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<v Speaker 3>He's despicable. This was a piece of shit movie did here.

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<v Speaker 1>But the prosecutor did have an alternative. The prosecutor agreed

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<v Speaker 1>to overturn the murder conviction, but he insisted that Email

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<v Speaker 1>plead guilty to being an accomplice the complete fiction. In exchange,

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<v Speaker 1>the DA would get Email out on time served. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>never get those nineteen years back. But he could walk

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<v Speaker 1>out in the next few days.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm asking you don't make him take the offer. I

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<v Speaker 5>said he would admit to kidnapping Charle Limbrough's baby right

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<v Speaker 5>now to get out.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 5>It's Christmas in a week, it's his birthday in a

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<v Speaker 5>little while.

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<v Speaker 1>She wants to be home, and Email's mother wanted him home.

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<v Speaker 1>In the back of the courtroom, she was in tears.

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<v Speaker 1>Her son had been kidnapped by the state and now

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<v Speaker 1>he faced a terrible choice. If he pleads guilty, he

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<v Speaker 1>won't be able to sue the government for wrongfully imprisoning him.

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<v Speaker 1>Col got more than five million dollars in compensation, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was a drug dealer who helped bring crack to

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<v Speaker 1>the Bronx. Email was an honor student snatched out of

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<v Speaker 1>high school, and he'd qualify for nothing. Horrible Email took

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<v Speaker 1>the deal. Four days later, he was home, looking for

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<v Speaker 1>a job and for justice. Fast forward. Email has been

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<v Speaker 1>out of prison for fourteen years and a lot has changed.

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<v Speaker 1>He's put his acute legal mind to work. He landed

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<v Speaker 1>a job as a paralegal at a respected defense firm.

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<v Speaker 1>His employer took a gamble on an admitted accomplished to murder.

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<v Speaker 1>He even bought Email a suit for work emails first,

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<v Speaker 1>and Email proved himself leading cases, winning multimillion dollar settlements.

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<v Speaker 1>During this time, Email and I have become good friends.

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<v Speaker 1>We met at my bar. May it rest in peace.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes Cal joined us. Occasionally Email came to dinner at

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<v Speaker 1>my house. He and my wife, who's a lawyer, decided

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<v Speaker 1>to work on legal projects together, and when my wife

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<v Speaker 1>became pregnant in twenty twenty two, Email was thrilled for us. Meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>the city had changed in Brooklyn. The DA's office had

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<v Speaker 1>a new outlook. Eric Gonzalez was the DA now and

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<v Speaker 1>his office was a aggressively reinvestigating questionable convictions. Eric had

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<v Speaker 1>grown up in a rough Brooklyn neighborhood, a neighborhood a

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<v Speaker 1>lot like Emails.

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<v Speaker 6>And I really, honestly do believe that he thinks it's

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<v Speaker 6>fucked up the way some of us just got fucking manhattaned.

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<v Speaker 1>Email would never say so, but I knew he was angry.

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<v Speaker 1>I could hear it in his voice, angry at what

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<v Speaker 1>the criminal justice system had done to him. And so

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<v Speaker 1>he and Oscar came up with a plan. Oscar sent

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<v Speaker 1>a letter asking DA Gonzalez to reinvestigate Email's case. On

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<v Speaker 1>the face of it, Oscars asked, was ridiculous. No one

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<v Speaker 1>I'd ever spoken to could recall the DA's Conviction Review

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<v Speaker 1>Unit reopening the case of someone who'd pled guilty and who,

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<v Speaker 1>on top of that, was out of prison and doing well.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonzalez's CRU is among the best funded in the country

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the most respected. But it does not

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<v Speaker 1>have unlimited resources, and it has lots of demand. But

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<v Speaker 1>inside Oscar's letter was another letter. The letter Email had

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<v Speaker 1>held on to for three decades. This is the one

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<v Speaker 1>with Baron Bount's signature on it. That letter made its

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<v Speaker 1>way to the head of the CRU.

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<v Speaker 6>When he read Baron's letter, he said, he read it

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<v Speaker 6>two or three times. He's like, this fucking guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Did this shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Suddenly there was energy behind Email's claims, the wheels of justice,

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<v Speaker 1>a different sort of justice started to turn. The letter

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<v Speaker 1>traveled to the desk of Assistant District Attorney Rachel Kalman,

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<v Speaker 1>who'd been at the CRU for four years. Rachel is

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<v Speaker 1>not someone whose vibe shouts I love a fight, and

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<v Speaker 1>in all likelihood that's what was in store if the

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<v Speaker 1>investigation went forward. But she was determined to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of this. Where did she start?

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<v Speaker 4>So the first step was to authenticate this letter. Anyone

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<v Speaker 4>could have written a.

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<v Speaker 1>Letter, including Email, so.

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<v Speaker 4>I had to get the original copy of the letter,

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<v Speaker 4>which I did. We were satisfied that he had written

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<v Speaker 4>that letter.

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<v Speaker 1>So now Rachel wanted to hear what Baron Blount had

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<v Speaker 1>to say for himself. These days, Baron seemed to be

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<v Speaker 1>an upstanding citizen. I looked at his Facebook page. On

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<v Speaker 1>it Baron's tall and in his photos he's rarely smiling.

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<v Speaker 1>He lives in New York and Facebook says he works

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<v Speaker 1>at the Department of Education. Along the way, he'd become

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<v Speaker 1>a pastor. One post says God. First. Family. Second, there

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<v Speaker 1>are a bunch of photos of kids in one of

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<v Speaker 1>a Father's daycard. Any man can be a father. It

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<v Speaker 1>takes a special man to be a dad, says the car.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been married for nineteen years. All these artifacts of

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<v Speaker 1>family life make me think about Email. Baron's life has

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<v Speaker 1>gone on. Email's life has been on hold for two decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel brings two detectives with her to talk to Baron.

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<v Speaker 4>We finally found him at his job.

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<v Speaker 1>Baron Blount worked at a school.

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<v Speaker 4>I had no idea what we'd be walking into, particularly

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<v Speaker 4>where I was going to say, did you murder someone

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<v Speaker 4>that your friend went to jail for doing that? But

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<v Speaker 4>as soon as I saw him, I got an immediate

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<v Speaker 4>sense of him then a little stooped, extremely red eyes,

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<v Speaker 4>as if he hadn't slept in days and days and days.

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<v Speaker 8>Where do you talk to him?

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<v Speaker 4>We were in a classroom. He's a janitor. I was

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<v Speaker 4>in elementary school.

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<v Speaker 1>So they were sitting in an empty classroom, Rachel Baron

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<v Speaker 1>and two detectives sitting at those child sized tables. It

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<v Speaker 1>must have been a bizarre scene. One detective is over

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<v Speaker 1>six feet tall. His knees must have been in his chest.

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<v Speaker 4>I was more looking at him. I wasn't checking out

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<v Speaker 4>the decorations all too carefully.

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<v Speaker 1>But in my imagination, the letters of the alphabet are

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<v Speaker 1>strung across the top of a blackboard, block letters, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's probably a fish tank. Certainly everything is in bright colors,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the middle of that room where everything projects

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<v Speaker 1>optimism and possibilities, is this woebegone janitor in a janitor's

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<v Speaker 1>uniform green or tan, with the name stitched into a

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<v Speaker 1>patch near the pocket. Rachel had the original letter and

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<v Speaker 1>they'd established that it was from Barn, but they needed more.

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<v Speaker 1>The letter wasn't a confession after all, Remember it referred

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<v Speaker 1>to the killer's identity, coyly, whoever did this?

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<v Speaker 4>We had got very far in the investigation, but it

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<v Speaker 4>had to go farther.

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<v Speaker 1>They needed Baron to come in and give a full confession.

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<v Speaker 8>Did you think he was going to come in?

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<v Speaker 1>Fifty Barn did come in. Everyone sat in a big

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<v Speaker 1>conference room with walls that seemed drained of color. The

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<v Speaker 1>place had the look of a bunker. It wasn't clear

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<v Speaker 1>what Baron had come to tell the das he brought

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<v Speaker 1>his lawyer with him, who knew maybe Baron had come

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<v Speaker 1>to bargain.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought that maybe he would be defensive, that he

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<v Speaker 4>would be denying, But he had come in ready to

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<v Speaker 4>unburden himself. Baron Blunt was sitting across the table, shuddered,

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<v Speaker 4>hoveled and started to cry.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Baron had carried a burden for a long time and.

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<v Speaker 4>Said it had been torturing him for years.

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<v Speaker 8>But he admits shooting him, right, he certainly did. How

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<v Speaker 8>did he say I shot him?

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<v Speaker 1>I shot him as easy as that. This all made

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<v Speaker 1>me think about Email, who'd been forced to take that

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<v Speaker 1>plea in two thousand and nine.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm trying to square the fact that you went back

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<v Speaker 8>investigated this and found essentially that that was bullshit, and

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<v Speaker 8>for whatever reason, the district attorney's office didn't do that

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<v Speaker 8>in two thousand and nine.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we've progressed.

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<v Speaker 1>We've progressed. That covered a lot of sins. It's July

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, two years after Oscar sent that letter

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<v Speaker 1>asking the district attorney to reinvestigate Email's case. Email had

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<v Speaker 1>just heard from Oscar. He learned that the letter had

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 1>finally finally borne fruit. Oscar told him that Baron had confessed.

0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Email had been waiting for this news for thirty three years.

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<v Speaker 1>It occurred to me that Email might not just get

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<v Speaker 1>a reversal of his conviction. He might be awarded a

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<v Speaker 1>full exoneration. After all, someone else had confessed to the crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Email was indisputably innocent of murder. Yeah, when that's actual innocence.

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<v Speaker 1>A generation nobody gets exoneration, a.

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<v Speaker 2>Full exoneration of data.

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<v Speaker 1>Sound, Yeah, that's the only thing he could be So

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<v Speaker 1>you are so motherfucking lo kating. Come on, have you

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<v Speaker 1>gone through all the emotions yet? No? No, Email said,

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<v Speaker 1>Email has been given a date to go to court

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<v Speaker 1>so that a judge can rule on the motion to exonerate.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing is official until a judge bangs the gallo. They

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<v Speaker 1>said the sixteenth.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, all right, boo, Mar sixteen whatever. It's like, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'll wait to with standing side by side and

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<v Speaker 2>hear you say it out to me, just to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure there's no other little tweak that's gonna send me

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<v Speaker 2>left right.

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<v Speaker 1>So March sixteenth would make it official. I really wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be there, but I had plans. Our baby was

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<v Speaker 1>due March sixteenth, and I wasn't going to leave my

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<v Speaker 1>wife in the hospital alone. But she said go, She

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<v Speaker 1>said I should be there. Email is our friend. So

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<v Speaker 1>I dashed across town to the CRU's offices. I stood

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<v Speaker 1>in the same gloomy bunker where Baron Blount had confessed.

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<v Speaker 1>Email entered the room, seeming a little shy looking around.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the preliminary to the court appearance. Die Gonzalez

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<v Speaker 1>wanted a few minutes with Email before the proceedings. Email

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<v Speaker 1>wore a suit and a thin tie. Here's a shaved

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<v Speaker 1>head now and a round belly. I noticed the scar

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<v Speaker 1>above his top lip.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know it was more comfortable for me because

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<v Speaker 3>when I walked in there, my buddy Sea was there.

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<v Speaker 1>Email figured they could still pull a fast one. I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard people say it's amazing that defendants whose convictions are

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<v Speaker 1>overturned don't hold a grudge despite decades in prison. But

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<v Speaker 1>Email had been snatched off the street as a teenager.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't just walk past that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's thirty three years since this happened. Not once did

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<v Speaker 2>anybody say sorry for your experience.

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<v Speaker 4>Nothing.

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<v Speaker 6>Every other people who are victimized in some form it's

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<v Speaker 6>a gunshot, rape, child abuse, whatever is like victim services, etc. Right,

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<v Speaker 6>we are the only group of motherfuckers who get victimized

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<v Speaker 6>and then get.

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<v Speaker 5>Re abused again.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he waited for Da Gunzalez. Email it out just

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of his anger.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, Okay, let's see what the fuck y'all want

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<v Speaker 3>to play with today? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>because I'm like, Steve got my back. He's gonna record

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<v Speaker 3>these motherfuckers this time too, and we're gonna put this

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<v Speaker 3>shit out of somewhere y'all gonna keep playing these stupid

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<v Speaker 3>fucking games.

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<v Speaker 1>Da Gunzalez walks into the bunker. He's stout, serious, halting,

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<v Speaker 1>not naturally charismatic, but I'd known him for a while

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<v Speaker 1>and he always struck me as sincere. He followed Email's case.

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<v Speaker 1>It meant something to him personally.

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<v Speaker 9>I was basically entering college as you were going upstate.

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<v Speaker 9>Your life could have been different. I I I need

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<v Speaker 9>to on behalf of this office and the criminal legal system,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, tell you that you've been wronged, and that

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<v Speaker 9>today is another shot to finally correct there. So congratulations,

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<v Speaker 9>thank you, and I'm sorry it took us as long

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<v Speaker 9>as it took us to get to this place.

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<v Speaker 1>So Email got an apology finally, and then everyone marched

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<v Speaker 1>over to the courtroom in an adjacent building on the

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<v Speaker 1>park woar calendar.

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<v Speaker 7>And they have been one to zero eight eighth.

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<v Speaker 2>Of nineteen ninety Emil McDowell.

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<v Speaker 4>Rachel Kalman for the offer of the District Attorney, Good

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<v Speaker 4>morning the bell.

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<v Speaker 7>It's pursuing to CBL four forty point ten one G

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<v Speaker 7>and four forty point ten one H.

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<v Speaker 1>That is to vacate uh the previous combination on this

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<v Speaker 1>matter that was entered based uponish Dellat took just a

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<v Speaker 1>few minutes and then Email had the judge's order in

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<v Speaker 1>his hands. Actually innocent. Email had been exonerated not only

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<v Speaker 1>of murder, but the judge wiped away the guilty plea

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<v Speaker 1>Email had entered for being an accomplice to murder. Nothing

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<v Speaker 1>was on his record any longer.

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<v Speaker 3>I read it like five times.

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<v Speaker 1>Email called me and my wife the next day at

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, to us. I was just really like,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, this really happened, and he had really signed it,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's really a thing. So it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it was, it was, it was, it was, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it was great.

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<v Speaker 1>Email asked if he could stop by to see the baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, by then, he'd started just a bit letting

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<v Speaker 1>himself daydream there'd be a settlement. Email is in line

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<v Speaker 1>for millions. They'll fight over how many. But he he

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<v Speaker 1>started to think, yeah, he liked classic cars, maybe he'd

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<v Speaker 1>get one, and he'd definitely buy a house for his mother.

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<v Speaker 3>Well kids.

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<v Speaker 6>Part of what my game plan is. At a certain point,

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<v Speaker 6>I plan on sitting down, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>For a little therapy session.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Email had never been in therapy So what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that therapy will help with.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just I'm getting it out hoping. It's just something

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<v Speaker 6>to try, right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But what he wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 3>What I wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 6>Is exercise, not like bike exercise like you know, the Exorcist.

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<v Speaker 5>I wanted to helped me exhale.

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<v Speaker 1>The re release of Empire on Blood is produced and

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<v Speaker 1>sound designed by Emil Klein. Austin Smith is our associate

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<v Speaker 1>producer and production coordinator. Fact checking by Ryan Alderman. The

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<v Speaker 1>original production of the Empire on Blood was also produced

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<v Speaker 1>by Emil Klein. Miel Lobell was our executive producer. Julia

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<v Speaker 1>Barton our story editor, fact checking by Stephanie Daniel. Our

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<v Speaker 1>advisor was Joel Ducett. Original scoring by Joel Saint Julian

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<v Speaker 1>and our theme song was by mister Land. Special thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to Andy Bowers, who championed the original production at Paniplin.

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<v Speaker 7>A Kingdom Built on Blood leadsday king, lonely, bear the

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<v Speaker 7>burdens of your citizen, then lonely.

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<v Speaker 2>But wear the blurred line between friend and foe. The

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<v Speaker 2>last words you hear ghost

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<v Speaker 8>M hmm