Speaker 1: What's happened the world? We like to welcome everyone to
Speaker 1: another episode of Against the Chronicles podcast and I got
Speaker 1: my guy Glasses Malone in here and Peter Boss both
Speaker 1: from No Stillings podcast, and Mike we have a little
Speaker 1: bit of fun. Everybody's been talking about the season finale
Speaker 1: a snowfall, and it was epic. Franklin pretty much lost
Speaker 1: this ship with a ship, robbed a bunch of people,
Speaker 1: killed a bunch of people. It's pretty epic in my book.
Speaker 1: So start, I just want to say this, I'm not
Speaker 1: here for no slander, zero slander when it comes to Louis.
Speaker 1: The only thing Louis has done wrong so far is
Speaker 1: when she wouldn't help Franklin get at the CIA agent Teddy.
Speaker 1: That's the only issue I have and the only mistake
Speaker 1: she made. There's no reason why Franklin should have not
Speaker 1: empowered this brilliant street lady. You have to empower your
Speaker 1: people when they don't want to be up under your thumb,
Speaker 1: and they showed leadership ability. You have to create an
Speaker 1: avenue for them to explore and go as far as
Speaker 1: they want to go without you. And that's the hardest
Speaker 1: thing when you're in this business. For the wrong reasons.
Speaker 1: I agree, what makes you think somebody's will come on
Speaker 1: here slam? Now? I do think Louis had a little
Speaker 1: bit more than that. She's not no angel, But I
Speaker 1: feel like you're saying he should have empowered her. He
Speaker 1: should have been the only angel on Snowfall. Sissy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much his mom since he is an angel. So
Speaker 1: you know, g he did a lot, man, You know,
Speaker 1: he pretty much he broken the compounds, stole their money
Speaker 1: in cash and everything. Then he went to told old
Speaker 1: boy Kane is laid up in hospital, that Louis was
Speaker 1: the one to put the hit on. Do you think
Speaker 1: he went too far with it? Noll No, So while
Speaker 1: Louis didn't, I'm not mad at her for trying to
Speaker 1: knock Cane down because I can't try to patch him
Speaker 1: or not to mention, he put a bullet in the plug, right, Um,
Speaker 1: I had no issue with any of the stuff she
Speaker 1: was doing, her wanting to go out, even her reaching
Speaker 1: out to the plug. As weird as that sound, because
Speaker 1: your plug supposed to turn her down. Your plug supposed
Speaker 1: to show loyalty, not not people who are with you
Speaker 1: and try to expand their business. Your plug is your
Speaker 1: go to and she should had to go to the
Speaker 1: Columbius to do her own thing. Um. I say all
Speaker 1: that to say that when you choose the plug over
Speaker 1: somebody who empowered you, like now you're you're taking sides. Oh,
Speaker 1: I can't help you, but I'm not gonna do nothing
Speaker 1: to him because it's about me. And you know again,
Speaker 1: that's where the ruthlessness of a woman came out. So
Speaker 1: everything that happened, they had coming to him. It was
Speaker 1: the inevitable. At that point, Well, you know what's so funny?
Speaker 1: She said that this is my time. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: some bullshit. She said this is my time. Fun that
Speaker 1: and where do you think they leave? Jerome at though brokers?
Speaker 1: He looked like he kind of heard about by this man.
Speaker 1: He like this kind of bothering him a little bit.
Speaker 1: I didn't really see him after it happened, but said
Speaker 1: Jerome fucked up. He listen as much as I didn't
Speaker 1: see it going here right because I didn't see Teddy.
Speaker 1: I didn't. First off, I didn't see Teddy back doing Franklin.
Speaker 1: That just don't make sense. Also didn't see I also
Speaker 1: didn't see Teddy. That's probably why I'm stupid at I
Speaker 1: didn't see see Franklin fucked up when he got it
Speaker 1: Teddy and told him he's gonna quit instead of just quentin,
Speaker 1: instead of just taking his money and disappearing. You know,
Speaker 1: you're doing business with the CIA. These people can make
Speaker 1: you disappear, so really supposed to just take your money
Speaker 1: and vantage, you know, like she pretty much ridded you
Speaker 1: of all your sins, you know what I mean, she
Speaker 1: pretty much like she took on all your birdens and
Speaker 1: responsibility and you got seventy five to a hundred million dollars,
Speaker 1: like you could just disappear. She got a plug. But
Speaker 1: when he went and he tried to stroke his own
Speaker 1: ego and tell the plug or I'm done, And you
Speaker 1: had this dumbass smirk on your face like you're not
Speaker 1: playing with the damn police. You feel me hints the problems.
Speaker 1: So as far as Jerome w I think Jerome as
Speaker 1: he saw it coming. Now, I don't know if she
Speaker 1: talked to Jerome, you know, before she made the decision.
Speaker 1: Not hell Franklin. I cannot believe for two seconds Jerome
Speaker 1: would have been he would have chose. He might have said, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do our own thing, and down to back
Speaker 1: his wife for that. But there's no way possible he
Speaker 1: would have backed his wife saying you on your own
Speaker 1: and chose Teddy over his nephew. So that's why I
Speaker 1: don't think Jerome quite knew what happened. So I'm definitely
Speaker 1: interested to see if he knew what happened. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you what I think is happening, man. And this
Speaker 1: is the way this show is going, because it's starting
Speaker 1: to get real. I see Jerom being the one putting
Speaker 1: the bullet in her. Yeah, for sure, I see Jerome
Speaker 1: be the one putting the bullet. I see. It's as
Speaker 1: much as this says me, Bro, I see little Leon
Speaker 1: probably getting whacked somehow in the mix all this dog
Speaker 1: he Yeah, it's just you know, his growth during the
Speaker 1: show has been incredible. You know, he's been on his
Speaker 1: own little personal journey and him that girl taking off
Speaker 1: the Europe. The only way that doesn't happen is if
Speaker 1: he just went away and never comes back. Because the
Speaker 1: time period that they're entering on the show now is
Speaker 1: about to get real stupid. It's the rise of gangsters rap.
Speaker 1: It's thed'reing a gangster rat, right. That's when California was
Speaker 1: real stupid at that time. We started talking eighty eight Dog,
Speaker 1: that's about n W A tech down right. It was
Speaker 1: really all out here at that time, Dog, it was
Speaker 1: gang banging. Was just at It's like apex at that time.
Speaker 1: So it's about to get real stupid. And I think
Speaker 1: the other person they're not talking about this my man,
Speaker 1: What's my Man? From What's My Dude? The blood Dude
Speaker 1: Inglewood from um oh to say, why do we always
Speaker 1: call him Stacy? We know Dann Well his real name
Speaker 1: may Stacy nor is his character name on Snowfalls Day.
Speaker 1: He's always going forever to you have mortalized the Stacy.
Speaker 1: If you ever fail that you've seen in the wood,
Speaker 1: you'd be like Stacy, you don't want to see that
Speaker 1: nigga in person. I met him, I was like, Stacy,
Speaker 1: that's how you know you did a great job character
Speaker 1: where you forever like he and he And the cold
Speaker 1: part is Homy got a fantastic you know, he does
Speaker 1: a great job in this you know TV show. And
Speaker 1: we still will not give this character more credit than Stacy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you know the girl. You know. Anyway, they've seen
Speaker 1: to forget Dog that they killed Cadasia and his daughter y. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so this dude, they just floating around. He
Speaker 1: comes to weddings giving them acid, you know, stuff like that. Dude,
Speaker 1: this is something going on with that dude. He could
Speaker 1: come into play because they go all people. We can
Speaker 1: ain't gonna see him coming because you gotta remember that
Speaker 1: dude is the strategies, Yeah for sure, and he definitely
Speaker 1: want to weigh them out. Um. Like I said, even
Speaker 1: even when I dissect every character on the show, right
Speaker 1: and I look at it and I'm and I'm I
Speaker 1: could see where Franklin went wrong, right, I could see
Speaker 1: where Franklin went wrong. Um, I see where Louis went wrong.
Speaker 1: I see where Teddy went wrong. Um. To me, the
Speaker 1: angel of the show, right is sissy. But the most
Speaker 1: trillis stand up and and maybe this is like a
Speaker 1: hint of racism on my part, but the only one
Speaker 1: who kept his solid the whole time is Gustavo Dog.
Speaker 1: That dude man from biased towards Mexicans when it comes
Speaker 1: to doing street business. But they're like the most honorable
Speaker 1: people for me when I do street When I when
Speaker 1: I used to do street business, I was never felt
Speaker 1: like they were ever trying to cheat me. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't have years of thousands of years in this business,
Speaker 1: thirty years, you know what I'm saying. But I always
Speaker 1: felt comfortable doing business with them, like it's really business. Well,
Speaker 1: I always like the stop was character from the rip,
Speaker 1: and I understood as well when he told him when
Speaker 1: he kind of just hung up on Franklin, Franklin told
Speaker 1: him he gonna get you too. He gonna get you too.
Speaker 1: Oh so you know, yeah, also know that right though,
Speaker 1: that's why he's hanging on the phone. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: get his cheese and getting on That's why getting off
Speaker 1: the phone, getting off the phone, go get this money
Speaker 1: and get out of town. Moved a look quicker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Teddy pretty much you told him, you know what
Speaker 1: he should have told Teddy him knowing what was going on,
Speaker 1: he should have told Teddy he was gonna meet him,
Speaker 1: just go to him. I mean, I think you should
Speaker 1: have told Teddy ship you chose my auntie over me.
Speaker 1: This has just lifted the burden of a complete country
Speaker 1: funding of war off my back. I'm not talking like
Speaker 1: I'm saying a bare minimum because I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: about it here with my money in my safety. I
Speaker 1: don't want nobody to know where I'm I don't want
Speaker 1: nobody to know my next move. Seel me at that point.
Speaker 1: But at this point, so let's go over to these characters.
Speaker 1: G and I want to hear what everybody thinks. Peter,
Speaker 1: you ain't saying much because I know you've got something
Speaker 1: in your brisk He knew Kevin. He knew Kevin Hamilton's
Speaker 1: in real life. So he still hurt over what happened
Speaker 1: to the hummy Kevin, you know, and that's the homie
Speaker 1: shout out to Malcolm Maze. But Malcolm, you deserve that.
Speaker 1: And then you was sucking up. Yeah, Milcolm was screwing
Speaker 1: up Kevin Man. Kevin just he made everything so personal.
Speaker 1: And you know, I remember the episodes where he was
Speaker 1: talking about Franklin buying them houses, right, and he was,
Speaker 1: you know, he was the one in the ear like, oh,
Speaker 1: they bought the houses in my name. You know, he
Speaker 1: bought the houses in his name. You know these ain't
Speaker 1: that means I can just save my money. Like a
Speaker 1: lot of times when I listened to a lot of
Speaker 1: the death Row stories, right, and you know you hear
Speaker 1: stories like all the cars with the should name. Well,
Speaker 1: guess what that means. I could burn this motherfuck up
Speaker 1: and nothing could happen all the houses that should name.
Speaker 1: That means I could motherfucking do what I want to do,
Speaker 1: and I ain't got to spend no motherfucking money. I
Speaker 1: ain't paying no motherfucking red, So every dime I have
Speaker 1: go into my pocket. Most record companies for me give
Speaker 1: you a lease card. They're not buying you know, car,
Speaker 1: They're not making that horrible investment. Most of them will
Speaker 1: put you in the house, ain't leasing the house. Well,
Speaker 1: guess what that means? I have no fiduciary responsibilities because
Speaker 1: when it comes down to these properties. See, keV looked
Speaker 1: at it wrong. keV looked at it wrong. He looked
Speaker 1: at it like, oh, you know, it's not in mindy bro.
Speaker 1: Ownership is one of the most overrated things we talk
Speaker 1: about in our community, right and not get it because
Speaker 1: we feel like we don't have it. There's all about control.
Speaker 1: That's an employee perspective. You know, if you're only giving
Speaker 1: money and no vehicle and you're a worker, you don't
Speaker 1: know what to do with the money. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: You know what I think though, Man, I think with
Speaker 1: cats like Kevin Right, it's just too much like Right,
Speaker 1: you always gotta have the one disgruninal Nigglogen, It's always
Speaker 1: gonna be one discrounal dude. No matter what you do
Speaker 1: for them is never enough. If you give him a million, man,
Speaker 1: it should have been too Just watch watch them. I
Speaker 1: bet we got four or five million on my back,
Speaker 1: and they usually the nig it ain't worth for damn.
Speaker 1: They ain't nothing to the table with nothing. It's just
Speaker 1: always like that. But where do you see I want
Speaker 1: to just kind of analyze each character. Where do you
Speaker 1: see um Franklin st going next season? What do you see?
Speaker 1: How do you see this endre for him? What do
Speaker 1: you think is like, oh, we know that that's the end.
Speaker 1: But do you think he's gonna get punched in any
Speaker 1: way on the streets? Is he gonna get killed? No,
Speaker 1: he's going to prison for sure. How many years you
Speaker 1: think he gonna dudes about forever? By seven? He actually
Speaker 1: young enough he would get out to still have half
Speaker 1: a life. What's crazy? Is he going into turning into
Speaker 1: a snitch? But who is he going to snitch on
Speaker 1: the police? You think he could want to turn the States.
Speaker 1: You don't have a choice. Think about it. If you,
Speaker 1: let's say, Gustavo, like, I think it's gonna happen, Gustavo,
Speaker 1: bump off Teddy for me, Like you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: tell Gustar Wars gu Star Wars locked up now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Gustavo gonna get out. How many seasons do you
Speaker 1: think they got left in them? That's what it all
Speaker 1: hinges on. The next season is the last season. That's
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. He's gonna die in the last episode.
Speaker 1: That's gonna go out on him having like uh, you know, like, um,
Speaker 1: what do you call it? Where you with the audio
Speaker 1: where he's talking over the situation as the ship pans out,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Minister of Society. We happened the can.
Speaker 1: I think they're a little bit more talent, right, is
Speaker 1: talented than that? Man. I don't think they're gonna be
Speaker 1: that predictable. This is what I think will happen to him.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to suffer even more losses because
Speaker 1: he the problem with Franklin. When you're in the d game,
Speaker 1: you can't do it both dog. You can't beat Mr
Speaker 1: Joe businessman Square and beat his drug lord. Right, it
Speaker 1: just don't work. The two just don't coincide in the
Speaker 1: same space. So I think what's gonna happen with him
Speaker 1: by him trying to really hold on that because you
Speaker 1: see his biggest worry do we have enough capital to
Speaker 1: keep paying for the rents? So we're gonna lose the properties?
Speaker 1: That was his problem in the first place. You are
Speaker 1: a motherfucking drug dealer, you see, dupe, but trying to
Speaker 1: aldings and drawing on yourself. Teddy was kind of right
Speaker 1: when you got on him about that. I was with
Speaker 1: Teddy on that stop bringing heat. You walked there by
Speaker 1: fifty million dollar buildings. How do you substantiate that? Where
Speaker 1: is you getting the income from? You ain't worried about
Speaker 1: nobody asking you questions. You feel what I'm saying was
Speaker 1: a little smarter than that. Um, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I think there's so many people in this country who
Speaker 1: was doing the wrong thing and turned the legal I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody didn't earn the money the right way, oh a
Speaker 1: hundred percent. But he was kind of being almost like
Speaker 1: cocky with it. But you have to pay for cover
Speaker 1: to do that at a large scale. Sure, And I
Speaker 1: think that was his goal, right, But you know, you
Speaker 1: start talking about corps in the early eighties and certain
Speaker 1: attorneys in the early eighties, he was trying his best
Speaker 1: not to mention he had permission from the CIA agent
Speaker 1: that he was dealing with. Besides Teddy, it was somebody
Speaker 1: trying to help him, you know, elevate out of the business.
Speaker 1: And you know that the last CIA agent that Teddy killed,
Speaker 1: you know when he came back, I forgot to the
Speaker 1: man name. But you know he was trying to help that.
Speaker 1: This was his idea that he gave to Franklin. He
Speaker 1: was saying, you know, elevate out of it, like almost
Speaker 1: like he was trying to get Franklin and out. When
Speaker 1: this was all said and done, Teddy decided like, I'm okay,
Speaker 1: this negro feel me in this position. That way, when
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, I could kill him and
Speaker 1: take the money. Like you gotta remember, even when they
Speaker 1: took the seventy five million from me, right, he's telling
Speaker 1: his boss and other partners like, we got an extra
Speaker 1: seventy five million. You don't gotta extraly, you fucking thief.
Speaker 1: You don't have an extra seventy five million. So that
Speaker 1: just that goes to show you that, you know, they
Speaker 1: didn't have no proper thing for Teddy. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think every natural, you know, d boys goal is
Speaker 1: to you know, to to eventually elevate into a place
Speaker 1: where they could do legal business. I mean, to be
Speaker 1: successful even as a drug dealer, like you have to
Speaker 1: be really smart and resourceful, you have to be intelligent,
Speaker 1: like you like, it's some belief that any idiot could
Speaker 1: sell dope, and that's just the furthest thing from the truth.
Speaker 1: Most people when I was coming up, hustling and selling
Speaker 1: you know, PCP rock whatever, they earned a regular living.
Speaker 1: Like you know, somebody might have earned four hundred dollars
Speaker 1: a week profit, five hundred dollars a week profit they
Speaker 1: wasn't making, you know, like like we was making, you know,
Speaker 1: two or three four thousand dollars a week. It just
Speaker 1: wasn't that type of party. So I think that that's
Speaker 1: the natural thing. So I don't fought him for, you know,
Speaker 1: especially even under the influence of the other CIA agent,
Speaker 1: to try to elevate out of the business. Well, you
Speaker 1: know what, though, I just think he was doing too much. Man.
Speaker 1: I think Franklin, I think his you brisk and then
Speaker 1: end dog is gonna be his downfall. He had that
Speaker 1: like young real young arrogance. You understand what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like he just like you know, like when he was
Speaker 1: trying to get Louis and Jerome to invest the buildings downtown,
Speaker 1: he was almost like forced them, like y'all need to
Speaker 1: do this, and was mad because they didn't want to
Speaker 1: put their money in man that people to duke dealers.
Speaker 1: They not thinking about becoming real estate. Louie was just
Speaker 1: a whole five years ago. But I also think, while
Speaker 1: I agree with you to his defense, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, he felt like, yo, ill lad you this far.
Speaker 1: You guys are multi millionaires because of my ideas. I mean, yes, y'all.
Speaker 1: Y'all also went out of execute it and had some ideas,
Speaker 1: but you know, the whole organization is they're all multime
Speaker 1: millionaires because of Franklin's you know, ideas. So I understood
Speaker 1: why he felt some kind of way like there's no
Speaker 1: reason to not trust me now. So but I also
Speaker 1: understand Louis and and and Jerome them too grown ask
Speaker 1: them people older than you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: you're trying to tell him what they're gonna do, what
Speaker 1: they livelihood, but that that's that's the character a vice.
Speaker 1: It's like he feels entitled to reality being what he
Speaker 1: wants it to be, and he plays around that instead
Speaker 1: of playing around reality and what it is. And when
Speaker 1: you could justify whether he thinks he's righteous and viewing
Speaker 1: it that way, but it is still the last going
Speaker 1: to unravel. Yeah. Well, one thing that I was just
Speaker 1: telling I was thinking to still. I was just saying, like,
Speaker 1: I get why you thought this way, even though whether
Speaker 1: I re or not, I mean, I get you, like
Speaker 1: should they should trust you? And it's like that may
Speaker 1: not be the truth, Like they might don't look at
Speaker 1: the whole journey the way you see the whole journey,
Speaker 1: and that was the obvious truth. Yeah, that's true. Okay,
Speaker 1: we used to be one of my favorite characters. Aunt
Speaker 1: Louis what's happening with the next year, she gonna Papa,
Speaker 1: I say that to our things, you're wrong, kills her.
Speaker 1: I think he winds up being the one to kill
Speaker 1: her because she's gonna do something that kind of goes
Speaker 1: too far. Trying to get that Franklin and that's still
Speaker 1: his nephew at the end of the day. The fear
Speaker 1: is she's more ruthless than Franklin is. So there could
Speaker 1: be a situation where Cincy gets hurt, because I think
Speaker 1: Cincy can end up dead and that's still your own sisters.
Speaker 1: So I think this could go a few ways, but
Speaker 1: I'm with you for sure Louise doesn't survive. The way
Speaker 1: I would write it, yeah, is I would make her
Speaker 1: exactly like what she is. She's the consummate opportunist. I
Speaker 1: would write her into being like a full on, willful
Speaker 1: informant who leaves everybody hung the funk out to dry
Speaker 1: and walks off and skates off with something in their pocket.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like that. I wouldn't like it, but that's
Speaker 1: how I write it. Uh, that would be interesting. I'm
Speaker 1: not against listen that would you? I would be kind
Speaker 1: of that would That wouldn't be far for Louis just
Speaker 1: skating off into a universe everybody else every place was
Speaker 1: to marry your own just he just happen. That's a
Speaker 1: woman for you. A whole long term planning. They planned
Speaker 1: their scheme to get simple things like meals, and then
Speaker 1: they skime for grand things like millions and putting everybody
Speaker 1: in prison. Oh yeah, yeah, that's crazy. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you the biggest snake on the show by far
Speaker 1: as Teddy's ass. I can't stay in him, man, Like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I wish the motherfucker's would kill him when they ambushed
Speaker 1: his ass. What's crazy is he really feels like he
Speaker 1: has this moral sense of him being right, like this
Speaker 1: is all for the greater good of as a patriot.
Speaker 1: He like whatever it takes, like I don't care. He's
Speaker 1: telling himself that I'm gonna tell you what's happening with him.
Speaker 1: The rest of his life that went the shambles, and
Speaker 1: that's the only life he knows. Remember, he tried to
Speaker 1: go back to normal society and tried to do the
Speaker 1: normal thing. He just couldn't. I think he got bored,
Speaker 1: and I actually think he enjoys having people under his thumb. Sure, sure,
Speaker 1: because if you notice, he's become more and more ruthless.
Speaker 1: He's more physically ruthless now. But I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: those Russian CIA, the people from the KGP, I think
Speaker 1: they got something for his as stone, you know what.
Speaker 1: I think they'll have the situation. But I think I
Speaker 1: think my man will stop. Are gonna have that cover?
Speaker 1: We'll make you think. First of all, husban stop it.
Speaker 1: We'll get out of jail. They don't have drubs on it.
Speaker 1: But he got six million dollars in this thirteen million
Speaker 1: dollars in this trunk, and he ain't got nobody justified.
Speaker 1: You don't have to justify the money. Who told you that?
Speaker 1: Yeah you do? She didn't you all believe? So yell
Speaker 1: believe you ran around. You get caught with thirteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: The police can confiscate that money. Now. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they can necessarily take you to jail right off
Speaker 1: the bat like that, but they can't take that money.
Speaker 1: My home hold the money. They can't check this out.
Speaker 1: My home point was coming back from New Jersey. He
Speaker 1: was right through Kansas City. They pulled him over dog
Speaker 1: and he had ten thousand dollars he wanted to see.
Speaker 1: You know they took that money from. Yeah, they can
Speaker 1: take your money. But the thing is, my man gonna
Speaker 1: touch back down on the streets. We're gonna have some MAXI.
Speaker 1: Because the thing about Gustavo and that style of motherfucking person,
Speaker 1: they're such an honorable person. They're not gonna play with you.
Speaker 1: He already been looking at Teddy side because the little
Speaker 1: ship Teddy did with Louis and and Franklin. He looking
Speaker 1: at him, and that's why he's finn to bounce out. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, he got poppy like, okay, he knows what
Speaker 1: see everybody else except him, and since he understand what
Speaker 1: it's gonna take to get out of this thing alive,
Speaker 1: maybe not even with your freedom, but alive. But sincy
Speaker 1: And and Gustavo, they understand what it's gonna take. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I do think. I think Gustavo it
Speaker 1: was the one to kill him, or I think them
Speaker 1: care or assist or Franklin might kill him. No chance,
Speaker 1: You don't think Franklin go get him and never left.
Speaker 1: Franklin get that close. That might be the thing. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you this. What's the name of Franklin's his squad?
Speaker 1: The women I don't know they had a name. The
Speaker 1: two girls are two hit women? YEA, don't know their names.
Speaker 1: Now what do you see? You see them playing the
Speaker 1: expanded road this year, because that's pretty much Franklin sold
Speaker 1: squad right there. Yeah, but I mean, ain't no telling
Speaker 1: like man Leon. You know Leon is still there. What
Speaker 1: they're gonna do to Leon? Um? I don't think Leon
Speaker 1: are gonna be with it like that though, though, But
Speaker 1: then Leon sold loyal Hill is gonna be what he
Speaker 1: gonna fun with Franklin? Or or how do how do Jerome?
Speaker 1: How do Jerome and Louis c Leon? At this point,
Speaker 1: like if if I'm beefing with Franklin, right, I'm going
Speaker 1: out to Louis. I mean, excuse me, I'm going out
Speaker 1: to Leon like I would go right after him because
Speaker 1: I would think that's gonna be your number one problem.
Speaker 1: He got control of the projects. I'm going right after him.
Speaker 1: I think. You know what, bro something that tells me
Speaker 1: that if Leon don't get killed, he's gonna get away
Speaker 1: Scott free. It's gonna be either one. Sure. I think
Speaker 1: that's how I hope you get away too. You know.
Speaker 1: It's funny, and I think people become so invested in
Speaker 1: this movie man, because it it's real dog. It's like
Speaker 1: stuff like this was going on back there. You know.
Speaker 1: I think it maybe a little bit of Bellance dog
Speaker 1: on some of the things, but stuff like this was
Speaker 1: really going on. Rie was really up there selling dope
Speaker 1: for the motherfucker's sea. People thought that was so crazy.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, this is getting crazy. They have planes.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Dog, it was a ton of drug dealers,
Speaker 1: not a ton, but jug dealers had planes in the eighties.
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how much, how many keyloads
Speaker 1: of cocaine the most powerful players in America was dealing with.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you something, And I don't know if
Speaker 1: you ever tripped off this, but you've got an airport
Speaker 1: over in Compton that was pretty much built up the
Speaker 1: snuff in the eighties, right during that time period. You
Speaker 1: have another one in Hawthorne. Don't nobody use some airports
Speaker 1: no more? But it's all kind of airports around from
Speaker 1: that era. Dog, people using airports are still open and
Speaker 1: they still open. Dog, don't nobody ever fly out up,
Speaker 1: but they're still there. Hawthorn, Yeah, Hawthorn is a very
Speaker 1: active air strip. Yeah. But if you notice that the
Speaker 1: Peter that all of those kind of popped up in
Speaker 1: the eighties during that time, it makes you wonder how
Speaker 1: much cocaine ran across that that that roadway out of cocaine,
Speaker 1: A whole lot of it. Now, this is what I
Speaker 1: do think, Man, I think it's your wrong kills, Louis.
Speaker 1: I got a couple of other questions, though, Dog, you
Speaker 1: remember Lucia, the girl that Yeah, do you think she's
Speaker 1: working with the fist and stuff? You think she's just gone?
Speaker 1: I don't know, the one who found the thing in
Speaker 1: the lamp. No, No, that's that's his lady, now, his
Speaker 1: first lady that dragged him into the business, the drug
Speaker 1: lord's daughter, and she just disappeared. When of the calls
Speaker 1: do all that ship trying to get correct, trying to
Speaker 1: find out the recipe. But I'm saying, did she did
Speaker 1: maybe did she decide to leave the show? I mean
Speaker 1: said they just stopped writing her in. Sure, I don't know, Dog,
Speaker 1: but I think they just kind of just left that hanging.
Speaker 1: It's just like, where is this other the nigger that
Speaker 1: he found out the nigga stole the cash with's my
Speaker 1: boy's name on the Jean peaches my boy Pa man
Speaker 1: peaches on that dope too. I think got eight too, Dog. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was coughing. And what's weird is the belief that
Speaker 1: like um, he turned on Franklin. I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: know quite what. You know? He they can find him
Speaker 1: and he could literally be about to die. Because I
Speaker 1: agree because he was shooting up heroin and he looked
Speaker 1: really sick. And it's around the med eighties. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that it could easily be a bad
Speaker 1: situation for him. Well, you know what I think, bro,
Speaker 1: I think with him, and I'm still sat Louis has
Speaker 1: something with that money disappearing dog. I think she has
Speaker 1: something to do with that. We're frankly getting robbed dogs.
Speaker 1: It was just too smooth for get away, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I'll tell you one thing. She is
Speaker 1: super like. I always thought she was ruthless enough to
Speaker 1: be a drug lawd but she's ruthless enough to be
Speaker 1: a Mexican cartel leader. I mean, I wouldn't put nothing
Speaker 1: past her at this point. I got to put respect
Speaker 1: on her name when it comes to that ruthless bullshit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she gotta like easy. If she got a dope thing.
Speaker 1: She got a dope thing. Former police officers that they're
Speaker 1: stealing cracking people. Now, that's what really tripped me out.
Speaker 1: I think she just keeping them around to put a
Speaker 1: bullet in his head. And she gets buying her time
Speaker 1: for him. I mean, you gotta think like that's why
Speaker 1: I think she's the perfect leader right for organization, because
Speaker 1: of how she maneuvers right with what everything she's doing.
Speaker 1: Like that was the time she could have killed that
Speaker 1: police man, but realized he was an end. You know.
Speaker 1: Now he doesn't work for them, and he needs to
Speaker 1: take care of his family, double his pay, and he's
Speaker 1: an end to different detectives because all these different police
Speaker 1: fell up under him. And it's obviously he's a ruthless killer.
Speaker 1: And he on drugs, so that means he's controllable. And
Speaker 1: he was sloppy the way he tried to execute that
Speaker 1: hit on Cane, Yeah, because he was on that That's
Speaker 1: because he was on that work. Yeah, he was. He
Speaker 1: was on that work, got his own boy kill, got
Speaker 1: his partner killed, you know. And I think another person
Speaker 1: that's gonna suffer some casualties this season managed my boy
Speaker 1: Jerome Jerome Leon, my two favorite characters on the show Man.
Speaker 1: Jerome is real old school and whoever the actor yos
Speaker 1: Man I think his name is, I mean Joseph. He
Speaker 1: does an excellent job with that character. Yeah he doesn't,
Speaker 1: he doesn't. It's funny because it's not really rooted behind
Speaker 1: the real character, but it's such a I call him
Speaker 1: a character of of some ship like that. He's a
Speaker 1: great caricature a man. Yeah, he's a big it's never exaggerated,
Speaker 1: but it's just dope enough to wear us on TV.
Speaker 1: Is fire. Like my my favorite line is that nigga said,
Speaker 1: teaching man, some squabbles get that time nigger. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, But the thing is, though, he's that
Speaker 1: nigger from that areas. You gotta remember, you get in
Speaker 1: the eighties, you had a lot of cash that was
Speaker 1: really just moved up to LA when it was five
Speaker 1: or six years old from Alabama, Mississippi, all kind of places.
Speaker 1: So they still kind of had that big comfry swagger
Speaker 1: with him meeting. The way they dressed they was kind
Speaker 1: of loud, colors man, real just flamboyant with a bunch
Speaker 1: of jewry on the stuff. So you can see his
Speaker 1: Southern roots in there and stuff. Bro, I think he's
Speaker 1: a good care And he told Franklin when this whole
Speaker 1: thing first started. Remember he told nephew this stuff called problems. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he knew it, this stuff called problems. He pretty much
Speaker 1: said that he was um. He pretty much made the point. Bro,
Speaker 1: that it was gonna tear their family up, and it's
Speaker 1: about to do it. I think I don't see CC
Speaker 1: making it out next season though you think Pete's sissy Pete,
Speaker 1: We really need to hear the white man's perspective on
Speaker 1: this man. We just got to talk to Pete about Teddy. Yeah, Teddy, Like, like,
Speaker 1: tell me what is Teddy fall? And under the hierarchy
Speaker 1: of evil white men, is there one? Yeah? Like like
Speaker 1: is he is? He? Is he in the upper file?
Speaker 1: The winner? This is weird man. And I'm gonna say this,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to cut you off, Pete, but
Speaker 1: I want to add this. He really thinks he's doing
Speaker 1: his patriotic duty. That's you gotta be scared with somebody
Speaker 1: that possess. Go ahead, Pete. I'm sorry now, I mean
Speaker 1: I don't think that he's We could do a lot
Speaker 1: of worse, you know, and get hitler man. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it does. I mean, it's it's one of those things.
Speaker 1: It kind of comes into that kind of endless discussion
Speaker 1: about like what's facilitating free will versus what's you know,
Speaker 1: really heavy handed downward pressure on it. So I think
Speaker 1: there's that element to it, and you know, this is
Speaker 1: this whole situation like the c I A thing and
Speaker 1: that that that it's like vintage, like the stereotypical you
Speaker 1: know Bush family operation. I mean people forget like George H. W.
Speaker 1: Bush ran the CIA and was a political arch enemy
Speaker 1: of Ronald Reagan before they broke her a deal in
Speaker 1: like the night um Republican what do you call that
Speaker 1: thing that where they announced who's going to be the
Speaker 1: nominee mm hm. So you know, you know he's he's
Speaker 1: a legacy politician. So yeah, there's a top down mentality
Speaker 1: behind all of that ship where it's like, oh, and
Speaker 1: you look at the way that like George Bush and H. W. Bush,
Speaker 1: who do they go after? They go after small measly
Speaker 1: countries that are easy winds, that are very expensive easy winds,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Whereas who did Reagan spearhead
Speaker 1: independently going after Mikail Gorbachov? You know, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: down the USSR for free Georgia is like we're gonna
Speaker 1: go into Iran, Iraq, Nicaragua, We're gonna go into Eastern Europe.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go all these small places that cost a
Speaker 1: fucking fortune. It's like for what so you kind of
Speaker 1: get that that mentality that, yeah, you're looking for these
Speaker 1: people who probably think, oh my god, if Kaye has
Speaker 1: spreads from Nicaragua to Honduras to Guatemala, were fucked. It's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because otherwise what would we do without them? So, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's kind of one of those dudes that just typically
Speaker 1: is he's just iss. How a person who could tell
Speaker 1: himself whatever he wants to believe to make him do
Speaker 1: whatever is that he wants to do for himself. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I think he's an evil dude, man.
Speaker 1: I think he's intentions before Franklin even equipment. Think his
Speaker 1: attentions was to keep the gravy train going and when
Speaker 1: he was done with them, put a bullet in their
Speaker 1: here and take that money and keep it pushing. I mean,
Speaker 1: is that necessarily wrong? You know? I'm gonna tell you this,
Speaker 1: dog Franklin kind of lost me when he let him
Speaker 1: do his day that way. I don't think he let
Speaker 1: him do his daddy that way. And I still have
Speaker 1: questions about album too. You think Nout's dead, I we'll see,
Speaker 1: you know what, that might be a play dog. He
Speaker 1: may come up out of nowhere. He may be the
Speaker 1: want to come and get Teddy's asked. You never know,
Speaker 1: but I doubt I think a man's doing that. The
Speaker 1: Teddy walked up, but again out fucked up. He was
Speaker 1: doing too much, dog and I respected, like, I get
Speaker 1: what he was standing for. But you gotta play the
Speaker 1: game the right way. Man. If you you know, you
Speaker 1: do all that ship, man, you gotta know what comes
Speaker 1: with it. So um, that was tough man. That was tough.
Speaker 1: I liked out in too. I'm glad I wasn't that
Speaker 1: got the ship together too before it was all over.
Speaker 1: You know what do I see happening? Man? I see Franklin,
Speaker 1: As you know, Franklin is a little resourceful motherfucker, right.
Speaker 1: I see him getting the line on Teddy's kids. I
Speaker 1: see him getting the line on somebody that Teddy knows,
Speaker 1: dog deep in the thing. And I see him kind
Speaker 1: of putting Teddy in the twist. Yeah, put Teddy in
Speaker 1: a twist because Teddy is the US government, Like I
Speaker 1: think that. I think at this point, make a book
Speaker 1: the government. Listen. If Teddy was to do some real bullshit,
Speaker 1: you know, the CIA agents. You feel me, It's like
Speaker 1: some of these l a gang, they will kill a
Speaker 1: own and they can watch their hands and tell you
Speaker 1: any time, you gotta remember he's roped to give them
Speaker 1: plausible to my ability. And I'm saying they can always
Speaker 1: say we didn't know what the hell he was out
Speaker 1: there doing, and he just slid his throat. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what's gonna happen, Dude. I think it's a
Speaker 1: lot more to this than what we think. Dog. I think,
Speaker 1: I really think that Louis is more even than we think.
Speaker 1: I think she orchestrated that hit. I think that's why
Speaker 1: she's trying. And so he had been on whack and
Speaker 1: King says she has something to do with that ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Louis definitely. Again, that's a character. I've liked you the
Speaker 1: whole thing. I respected her, come up, I respected or
Speaker 1: stay down. And the very last episode, you know, she
Speaker 1: just lost me. I was like, damn, you're gonna do
Speaker 1: the nigger that made your multimillionare like that for a
Speaker 1: stranger for me that I get he can help you
Speaker 1: get more money, But I'm never with money over everything.
Speaker 1: Anybody who says that to some degree you feel me
Speaker 1: and really with some passion, I don't. I don't really
Speaker 1: trust nobody who says money over everything or self made,
Speaker 1: because if you say money over everything for me, that
Speaker 1: means you sell me out. If if it's if, it's uh,
Speaker 1: If it's uh, I just lost my train of thought.
Speaker 1: It's money over everything, you sell me out. You say
Speaker 1: two of the world was self made, self made, that
Speaker 1: means you ain't giving people proper creating. Yeah, because don't
Speaker 1: nobody do it all body itself? Bro. It's also I
Speaker 1: think maybe in cases like that, and I don't mean
Speaker 1: like drug dealer cases. I mean cases where you have
Speaker 1: people that would, you know, double cross a partner for whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like you have a lot of money, you're you
Speaker 1: can get a little, you can get more money, no question,
Speaker 1: get more money. But I think it's more that the
Speaker 1: money is emblematic about control and feeling like the ego
Speaker 1: stroke of being I'm in charge, this is me, Everything
Speaker 1: revolves around me. Then necessarily it's like, Okay, I got
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars in seven versus I have a hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars. You can't do a whole lot different, you know,
Speaker 1: if we're being honest, like you really can't. It's not
Speaker 1: a lifestyle changing dollar amount. But the control element is
Speaker 1: a lifestyle changing mentality. Yeah, I feel you. You know, what,
Speaker 1: what is it about this stuff that you think telling us?
Speaker 1: Because I know he's saying this is page duty and everything.
Speaker 1: But I think Teddy actually likes being a drug lord. Dude.
Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty fun. It would be a lot
Speaker 1: of fun after consequences to selling drugs is fucking awesome
Speaker 1: outside of the fact you're hurting and injuring people. A
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of fun. Oh my god, if
Speaker 1: like literally I didn't have to go to jail, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I've been doing it right now, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have time to do the podcast still because at this
Speaker 1: point in my life, I genuinely care about human beings
Speaker 1: a little too much at that time, I think being
Speaker 1: ignorant to certain ideas, really believing people were making a
Speaker 1: conscious choice. What I'm saying, Um, remember, I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: do a liquor deal with still, Like, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm cool. You shouldn't be terribly offensive, I understand. So, so, uh,
Speaker 1: I think Teddy. I think Teddy is a trooper. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously there is certain parts of him that ain't right,
Speaker 1: because that's why you stay wrapped in the bullshit. But
Speaker 1: in in some way he probably compare himself to Andrew
Speaker 1: Jackson in different heroes that are that are, you know,
Speaker 1: reverer of the past. You haven't had to do ruthless
Speaker 1: things for the expansion of America. And I'm saying we
Speaker 1: celebrate some of those people to this day. So no,
Speaker 1: it's it's a weird place for Teddy. But again, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not working with us. I just don't think. I
Speaker 1: just don't know how evil it is. Again, everybody is
Speaker 1: so self motivating this situation, Like like Teddy and and
Speaker 1: and Leon and Louis and Jerome, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: they were innocent until they realized what was going to
Speaker 1: happen to their community. Once they saw that happen, As
Speaker 1: you keep participating past that, feel me, that's when you
Speaker 1: start to choose. That's what I think. Selling your soul
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying right there. It was. It was
Speaker 1: to a certain extent, I think, not even to a
Speaker 1: certain exting. Right, So what do you so where do
Speaker 1: you guys directionally think that they you know that the
Speaker 1: writers are gonna like go that the story is gonna
Speaker 1: track as far as how the CIA has dealt with.
Speaker 1: It's like you can take the feel good approached and
Speaker 1: veered to the left or whatever and say, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: going to get their come up, and or you can go,
Speaker 1: we're gonna pursue kind of like the rhetorical, the rhetoric
Speaker 1: of they're beyond approach. They always skate, there's never any
Speaker 1: consequences for them, and go to the right and nothing
Speaker 1: happens to them, you know, like they do whatever the
Speaker 1: hell they do. They sweep it under the rugs. Some
Speaker 1: guy gets a medal and a pension and that's the
Speaker 1: end of it. You know, like it could you could
Speaker 1: write it either way and it could be compelling either way. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, I think. I think they're gonna guys
Speaker 1: like the whole thing. Man. I think it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be amongst people going to jail.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be. I think it's gonna mirror
Speaker 1: the real dope game because they've kept authentic so far.
Speaker 1: I can't see them just look Franklin, go out and
Speaker 1: do all this stuff and not have no consequences to it. Man,
Speaker 1: for every action c I a ops. I think ultimately
Speaker 1: they could wind up throwing ten of the bus too.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be some blowback from this, just
Speaker 1: like it was before and and and everybody. Everybody played
Speaker 1: their position. Think about it, that story, Just think about
Speaker 1: Freeway Rick story in this self Gene doing this seem
Speaker 1: like that would still be national headlines. What's funny is
Speaker 1: the person who said him up didn't get no trouble.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Dog, It's like nobody talks about
Speaker 1: that Dog, So all this stuff ultimately gets this miss
Speaker 1: that's almost being a myth, almost like it never happened,
Speaker 1: you know what. That is true for something to be
Speaker 1: of that epic proportion. It is not talked like it's
Speaker 1: just a punk ass TV show. Yeah, think about it,
Speaker 1: bro Our government had pretty much destroy the urban and
Speaker 1: a lot of these things, and a lot of these
Speaker 1: communities still happen to recover to this day, Dog, A
Speaker 1: lot of these so tracking I never I guess I
Speaker 1: never thought about it like that. A lot of the communities,
Speaker 1: man that you know, was um suffer from the onslaughter,
Speaker 1: cracking all that. In eighties. People are starting to recover
Speaker 1: out here, for sure. They just know I'm starting to recover. Dog,
Speaker 1: and I think at certain place, like when I go naughty,
Speaker 1: not just St. Clair, it's different. Don't do to Cleveland.
Speaker 1: It's definitely still well you know what Cleveland clinic brought
Speaker 1: a half He's Cleveland. So no, yeah, they've changed this
Speaker 1: half million their arms over there. Now you know that's
Speaker 1: big for a while, for a while. But the thing
Speaker 1: you was, Dog, that was catastrophic to our communities. Dog,
Speaker 1: look at Detroit, all them empty houses that only drugs,
Speaker 1: but closing down the factories and drugs. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: you you put all that together, Dog, and you find
Speaker 1: out that this government has something to do with this,
Speaker 1: and the ain't nobody talking about it. Bro we should
Speaker 1: never trust the government again as black people. It's my man, Pete.
Speaker 1: That's what Pete always tell me. We should never trust
Speaker 1: the government again, Broke, because take Pete, like, man, the
Speaker 1: government some bushit that's generally how I look at it,
Speaker 1: And it's all white people by and large. You know,
Speaker 1: you go, it's so like when you think about it, bro,
Speaker 1: it seems like it can't be real, almost like this
Speaker 1: is a movie, right, but it's based on some stuff
Speaker 1: that really happened, Bro. And I'm pretty sure you know
Speaker 1: what man, we gotta get ricked on here one day
Speaker 1: and really just break it down to him becase I've
Speaker 1: hear him talking about this stuff a million times, but
Speaker 1: do this seems like he keeping stuff out to you. Um,
Speaker 1: he got that pot with Dave Man, shout out to
Speaker 1: them that pot is dope. After the uh, after the snow. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: I haven't really got into a chat, but yeah, Rick
Speaker 1: definitely gives the highlight of it all. Um. But I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of moving parts, you know, like
Speaker 1: where Uncle Shitty and different people that was around the
Speaker 1: freeway boys could connect a lot more. It's like if
Speaker 1: you ask Franklin, you know, the character Franklin don't know
Speaker 1: quite how Like he might have had the general concept
Speaker 1: of how, you know, the trade around the rest of
Speaker 1: the country was gonna work, right, that was the general
Speaker 1: consensus around the rest of the country was gonna work.
Speaker 1: Like Franklin is the kind of person that could drill,
Speaker 1: build up a blueprint, but that don't mean need to
Speaker 1: build a house. So I think that's what you get
Speaker 1: with Rick. I think you get the highlights where Rick
Speaker 1: you could slam dunks, the block shots, you know, the fights,
Speaker 1: but you don't get the true you know, defense for
Speaker 1: possessions in the row, the offensive rebound that changed the game.
Speaker 1: And I think because Rick is spoken as like it's Rick,
Speaker 1: like Rick is just as you know this guy, and
Speaker 1: it's like the Freeway Boys for me, and whether Rick
Speaker 1: is the center of attention, you know, like Magic Johnson.
Speaker 1: That don't mean kareem my dude, Jabbar wasn't there, don't
Speaker 1: James Worthy wasn't there. I don't mean defensive you know phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Michael Cooper wasn't there, Barron Scott or Ac Green or
Speaker 1: Kurt rambas I was gonna saying how many how far
Speaker 1: down the line are you gonna you give? Kurt Rambis.
Speaker 1: Rambis is my guy. I mean, I'm I'm a showtime baby.
Speaker 1: So I think that's the thing with Rick. I think Rick,
Speaker 1: you get the highlights, but I think you need to
Speaker 1: have more conversation with the Freeway Boys, probably to get
Speaker 1: more in depth of what's going on when it comes
Speaker 1: to gameplay. Well, you know what death what we should do, man,
Speaker 1: we need to hit big shitty. If I need to
Speaker 1: hit I ain't talk big about six months and uncle
Speaker 1: shitty freeway shitty man. Yeah, I gotta hit him up. Man,
Speaker 1: that's the homie right there. We definitely need to get
Speaker 1: him on there. Well. For those out there that hadn't
Speaker 1: watched Snowfall, I suggestion go back and people I got
Speaker 1: on the series kind of late, fell in love when
Speaker 1: it went back and watched season one all the way up.
Speaker 1: I think it's the real deal. I think John Singleton
Speaker 1: is probably last give rest in peace to us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think he's a genius. I think he's brilliant
Speaker 1: and I'm glad he did it. Bro. John Singleton has
Speaker 1: chronicle West Coast culture like any other filmmaker man period.
Speaker 1: Like he's he's responsible for our stories being heard. I think,
Speaker 1: um boys in the hood with that represented. What I'm
Speaker 1: saying is is crazy, even baby boy small ideas like
Speaker 1: John is tough and Snowfall Like I said, that was
Speaker 1: his last gift he gave us. Yeah, a little little
Speaker 1: inside baseball on that topic, like I might not be
Speaker 1: inside in this room, but to the audience hopefully. UM.
Speaker 1: I believe as I was told UM that John wanted
Speaker 1: to do make the show a small are a more
Speaker 1: local scope show, and the FX production people wanted to
Speaker 1: tie it into the larger Iran contra you know, scale
Speaker 1: and making it more broad national, international type of have
Speaker 1: that twist in there as well. Do you guys like
Speaker 1: that that component was brought into the show at such
Speaker 1: a center point of the show or would you have
Speaker 1: liked the show more if it had been much more
Speaker 1: of a localized boys in the hood type of feel
Speaker 1: for the show? Personally me, I think we got that,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I think we got that, and
Speaker 1: I think I think the show for its for it
Speaker 1: to continue, whereas that now you would have to take
Speaker 1: it further, you know, you would have to expand the
Speaker 1: ideas and you know, push past it because Rick was
Speaker 1: going further out of l A. You know, Rick was
Speaker 1: taken drugs all around the country. You know, his ship
Speaker 1: changed in in his click the freeway. Freeway Boys was
Speaker 1: doing a lot so um. I like when John single
Speaker 1: to controlling then gave us the elements of how it
Speaker 1: affected the inner city. But I also enjoyed, you know,
Speaker 1: not as much the second part. I enjoyed the fact
Speaker 1: that they tire us into cocaine cowboy country. You know,
Speaker 1: they tied into Queen of the South ware. It shows that,
Speaker 1: you know, because remember they're not taking crazy trips. The
Speaker 1: last episode, they went to, uh, you know, the Wrigley Island,
Speaker 1: Wrigley Island, that's where it was at. Still the Wrigley
Speaker 1: Island over the what's it called on that so what's
Speaker 1: the name? Went to what's the name of the island?
Speaker 1: When he threw his he went to the Wrigley Island
Speaker 1: had something way further away. They're not getting out of control, oh,
Speaker 1: you know. So I appreciate. I appreciate the dynamics to
Speaker 1: the characters. I really do. Um Franklin is just you know,
Speaker 1: it's a tough out. Like. I don't think he's a
Speaker 1: bad guy at all. I just think he's in a
Speaker 1: little too deep. I think Franklin is a young dude man.
Speaker 1: He made a lot of mistakes that he's gonna definitely
Speaker 1: have the answer to. Um. And like you said, I
Speaker 1: think the writing was so brilling on there. I knew
Speaker 1: a lot of people get a show flet because John
Speaker 1: ain't there no more. But I think they're doing with
Speaker 1: John envisioned them doing. You know what I mean. You
Speaker 1: can tell his footprints all over this stuff. His fingerprints
Speaker 1: is all on this thing, you know. But I appreci
Speaker 1: I appreciate it I really, you know, the ending is
Speaker 1: really spectacling. Um, I stand by Olso is the only
Speaker 1: one who lives, because So it is just that kind
Speaker 1: of cat. Well, we gotta see if Olso we gotta
Speaker 1: jail first, get out of jail. Also is the only
Speaker 1: one that could go to Mexico and just be down there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, you gotta be a different
Speaker 1: kind of person to even come deal with him. And
Speaker 1: I guarantee you dog, do you know this? Olso had
Speaker 1: all that paper stick there also with the same jacket
Speaker 1: and every day dog. Yeah, he's the one you gotta
Speaker 1: watch out. Nothing more than what he is. And he's
Speaker 1: gonna like also is pure with this ship. Yeah he's
Speaker 1: a real deep boy. And said so. But I appreciate Sissy,
Speaker 1: you know, I think she had the right idea, Like
Speaker 1: you gotta kill Teddy. She understood the c I agent
Speaker 1: had to go. And that's a tough out because you
Speaker 1: don't know that he's a rogue agent. You know, you
Speaker 1: don't know that. But she understood that he needed to
Speaker 1: be gone. There was no way. And she she got
Speaker 1: it better than Louis, she got it better than Franklin.
Speaker 1: She got it. She understood there was no way possible
Speaker 1: she could let anybody. He could let anybody live because
Speaker 1: they couldn't. They they had to put you in prison.
Speaker 1: They were gonna take your money, you feel me, or
Speaker 1: they have to kill you. So I think she had
Speaker 1: the idea of the whole time. So I just want
Speaker 1: to go on record and saying how much I appreciate
Speaker 1: you know that sister for really understanding that you gotta
Speaker 1: cut the snake off right there and mean and deal
Speaker 1: with everything goes after that. She actually might I think
Speaker 1: she has an idea that he's a rogue agent. Well,
Speaker 1: I think she does. I know those people, definitely. I
Speaker 1: know those case b A just damn sure about the
Speaker 1: final Remember they got man, Yeah, they But you know what,
Speaker 1: the hobby couldn't be trusted though. Dog how he was
Speaker 1: playing games over and he said, I founded the boy.
Speaker 1: But I can tell you stuff on him too. I'll
Speaker 1: be ready to give everybody up. I've he seen it do.
Speaker 1: He hasn't survived as long as he had without being
Speaker 1: a little filed. Remember how he was an the former too.
Speaker 1: He sneaks on some people. Yeah, obviously some ship man.
Speaker 1: That's I ain't gonna lie. A lot of people like Harvey,
Speaker 1: but and he was a cool character. But I was
Speaker 1: happy when they got killed. Snitches, man, you gotta bias
Speaker 1: against snitches. Me and snitches don't really do well. Brother.
Speaker 1: It's just you know, it's it's and he was a
Speaker 1: cool character, but it's like he was a rat and
Speaker 1: he had everything coming in. I was so happy when
Speaker 1: he got killed. When it happened, I just smiled a
Speaker 1: little bit, like, yes, you know. The thing is, bro,
Speaker 1: all of them people getting what they deserve is open
Speaker 1: the pieces of ship people. Though I'm not with you there,
Speaker 1: but I get what you're saying. A lot of more
Speaker 1: piece of ship people like Teddy whatever happens to him,
Speaker 1: though he deserves it. And then something I don't know
Speaker 1: if Teddy's a piece of I think Teddy has some
Speaker 1: really fucked up ways like that. The move with Louie
Speaker 1: is something I wasn't fond of, Like that was just
Speaker 1: trashy for me. Even from your perspective as a CIA
Speaker 1: agent and you're funding award. Franklin has been doing right
Speaker 1: by you. It's no way you go behind him. That
Speaker 1: just stupid. You don't make two deals. You don't do
Speaker 1: that for me. You keep the pipeline going so and
Speaker 1: it was no reason for him to believe, you know,
Speaker 1: Louis was gonna do better. It was just him getting that. Frankly,
Speaker 1: he's taking it too personal and and that's something I
Speaker 1: don't like. But outside of that, like, I think Teddy
Speaker 1: has been pretty decent at conducting himself as the racist
Speaker 1: devil he is, what I'm saying, and as the patriotic
Speaker 1: soldier he is. I think he's done a decent job
Speaker 1: for the most part. But again, he's in too deep. No,
Speaker 1: he got shot. He is fucked up, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And you know, I understand him having to
Speaker 1: kill out, like I get it from his perspective, like
Speaker 1: this Nigga Kaite lived for me. Also, I don't like.
Speaker 1: You know what I don't like about Teddy the fact
Speaker 1: that a CIA agent feels like he needs revenge. That's
Speaker 1: the thing, like you supposed to be about justice. I'm
Speaker 1: I get as a white man, right and the CIA
Speaker 1: trying to fund award justice, but you shouldn't be taking revenge.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think I do agree with you
Speaker 1: that you know, his fatal flaw is his his desire
Speaker 1: for revenge versus keeping things just right, trying to trying
Speaker 1: to keep you know, the ground America has gained in
Speaker 1: other countries. Well, you know what, Dog, the biggest problem
Speaker 1: with him is man is this one. He's not a
Speaker 1: member of the government anymore, so he's just a criminal
Speaker 1: at this point. So it's open season on anything that
Speaker 1: happened to his punk ass, and I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see it happen. I'll be the front rowing center because
Speaker 1: he's he's a snake dog like and he's probably like
Speaker 1: he probably arelmost like one of my top five most
Speaker 1: scandless people ever in the history of TV. Dog, God,
Speaker 1: damn you over you. That's a lot Dog. He he
Speaker 1: he's just doing the most man because he's a he's
Speaker 1: a bro. When somebody can do the evil he does
Speaker 1: with a straight face. You ever know that his emotions
Speaker 1: don't never change. I don't know if he's top five,
Speaker 1: that's just a lot. I say so Dog top teen
Speaker 1: at least Dog most evil characters are on TV. Dog,
Speaker 1: I think Fairest from Boys in the Hood is more
Speaker 1: evil from Boys in the hoods when they kill Ricky
Speaker 1: that was the dude's man. Fairest Ye punk ass fairs.
Speaker 1: He can't fight. So we always trying to find a
Speaker 1: reason to shoot somebody. You would be the one to
Speaker 1: dig back in the movie. You'll never knew that dude
Speaker 1: was naming the shot firs. He was some bullshit because
Speaker 1: he knew Ricky wasn't no nigger like that. Keep coming
Speaker 1: for that bro the first week later on Ye yeah,
Speaker 1: dope boy got cracking on him for me. Fairest old
Speaker 1: punk ass. I didn't really fuck with fares Um. Who
Speaker 1: else is a really evil character? Boy? That's an l
Speaker 1: a name for real. Ferris at ABC at a BC
Speaker 1: from OZ was another just BC prob was one of
Speaker 1: the most trecheress dude. He definitely up there number two somewhere.
Speaker 1: He was just so scammers and he was just look
Speaker 1: at people who killed people that didn't have it coming.
Speaker 1: Why did you kill Ricky? Ricky didn't have to coming.
Speaker 1: That was scampers, man. But you know what, go check
Speaker 1: out snow for all if you haven't a gangster Chronicles.
Speaker 1: Thank you all for coming on the Knife fellas. Thank you.
Speaker 1: We did a review. Of course, jeep Um is betting
Speaker 1: on Louis. He's Louis sympathized sympathizer. It's quite agree with
Speaker 1: his analysis wrongly, gonna knock them down wrong' gonna knock
Speaker 1: her down. Yeah, but we gotta see what you've got
Speaker 1: going on. Man, bullshit. Man, we just know Sailers tomorrow fresh.
Speaker 1: You know when no Seilers is fresh. We've fend to
Speaker 1: wrap it up. Um, really take podcasting into into a
Speaker 1: lot of hidden k's and taverns, you know, lighted light
Speaker 1: the way so people things they have never even seen
Speaker 1: within the conversations, so we're just looking. We had a
Speaker 1: really dope conversation about urban street colloquialisms that was really
Speaker 1: dope for me. Um terminologies that that the culture is
Speaker 1: allowing to be gentrified so people can feel included. Um
Speaker 1: was amazing. It's me and Peter conversations. I try to
Speaker 1: make sure we always look for, you know, tunnels and
Speaker 1: caves that haven't been lit before. I try to light
Speaker 1: up and leave lights in those caves so people could
Speaker 1: go in those rooms and have those discussions. So every
Speaker 1: now and then, you you know, you don't get a
Speaker 1: lot of credits being the first person to held the light.
Speaker 1: You know that Christopher Columbus discovered America, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, But he wasn't the first niked Air. So
Speaker 1: I just made sure I hear the lids. We're putting
Speaker 1: up the landers for Chris to come over here and
Speaker 1: get the credit. But you know who really discovered this ship? Brother? Yeah,
Speaker 1: for real, you're that Peter Ryce. What we do know? Man? Well,
Speaker 1: Martin Fellers, I appreciate you and make sure man you're
Speaker 1: gonna follow up my homeboy, Peter boss Man. Wish your
Speaker 1: Instagram Peter um Mr M I S T. E. R.
Speaker 1: Underscore Rose Gold. Where did the roles go? Then? You
Speaker 1: just really buy any Ginger? Yeah? Yeah, I'm rebranded Ginger.
Speaker 1: Rose Gold is red haired peer, part of the Rose
Speaker 1: Gold community. Absolutely, Pet you women like you too, you
Speaker 1: know that, not anymore than ya. They like you more.
Speaker 1: I don't know. So one or two of them not
Speaker 1: not not enough, not anymore, man, That's all I can say.
Speaker 1: Not like they used to. All right, for sure, my brother,
Speaker 1: my brother, y'all make sure you'll check up. No stealings
Speaker 1: and we got here for real this time