1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: At a Steve Tasker who has been all over the field. 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: Kind of unique. He was kind of a dual role 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: player for you, Steve, Steve a blimp. We're not even 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: in the strategy beer of normalcy here. All right, it's 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: a new week. It's another week of OTAs, but we've 6 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: got a different co host with Steve getting a little 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: time off here as we welcome in our broadcast partner 8 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: from w i VB TV sports director Josh Reid, helping 9 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: me out today on the show. Welcome Josh. Glad to 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: have you. Thanks for sitting in Steve's chair for me 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: so I don't have to talk to myself for two hours. 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thanks for having me. Yeah, how you been? 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: All right? Good everybody to ramp things up here, because 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: we're close. Now, we're getting really close. I was looking 15 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: at the calendar the other day, coming back from vacation. 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: I thought, woo, yeah, if you got any vacation Asian time, 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: you gotta take it now, because it's gonna be camp 18 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: time very very soon. Because you, I mean, I don't 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: know about you, but once I get to July fourth weekend, yeah, 20 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: I already start saying to myself I'm saying, I do 21 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: it every year. I'm sitting at the barbecue, so you'll 22 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: you know, you're at a family barbecue. Whatever. It's July 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: four of them. I got three weeks I have. You'll 24 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: love this. I have a bag that I keep in 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: our basement that's got like towels and fitted sheets for 26 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: Fisher Oh you do, I do It's it's like, just 27 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: keep it in. And around the fourth of July weekend, 28 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: I busted out. I throw it all in the washing machine. 29 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: I get it cranked up again, and I'm like, okay, 30 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: here we go. Time to get time to get it moving, 31 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: and we'll be there, probably a little bit earlier since 32 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: they're playing on Thursday night in the kickoff game, so 33 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: the Bills could technically start their season, even start their 34 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: training camp even a tad earlier. We'll be getting those dates, 35 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: sue enough, but OTAs on the docket this week. We'll 36 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: be checking out practice tomorrow, so that'll be cool, kind 37 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: of get an update on how everything's panning out out 38 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: there on the field. Still no pads yet, a real 39 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: football starts in training camp, but we'll get another peak 40 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: at them tomorrow and we'll have full coverage for you 41 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: right here on one Bill's Live. As we always do, 42 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: we'll have Thurman Thomas, the Hall of Famer, coming up 43 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: in the second hour today as he and his wife 44 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: Patty doing some tremendous work, unbelievable for the people in 45 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: East Buffalo there in the wake of the supermarket shooting 46 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: and still cranking it out. In terms of the fundraising, 47 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I think their initial goal and we'll get 48 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: them to confirm this for us, I want to say 49 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: their first tweet, their initial goal was ten thousand dollars. 50 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: They're up over two eighty two hundred and eighty thousand dollars. 51 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: Just an amazing response to the Hall of Fame running 52 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: back and his wife Patty. So good on them for 53 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: really pitching in what has been largely a group effort 54 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: by Bill's alumni and the Bill's organization themselves. Yeah. One 55 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: of the things that you know stands out to me 56 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: about it is he's not just putting his name on 57 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: it and getting money. You see him with the local 58 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: media and he's emotional about it. It means something to him. Now. Granted, 59 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: the money is going to a great cause and is 60 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: very helpful, but you can tell he's emotionally attached to this. Yeah, 61 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: and he and Bruce and Jim, we're all out there, 62 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, a few weeks ago, handing out food for 63 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: the people who really don't have anywhere else to go 64 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: as long as the supermarket's closed over there due to 65 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: the police investigations. So yeah, he's definitely done his part 66 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: and then some. So we'll catch up with Thurman. We'll 67 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: also hit him up on some football stuff after we 68 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: kind of expand on some of their latest efforts to 69 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: support the community. And he's buffalo, so we'll catch up 70 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: with him in the second hour the show. But we 71 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: have an interesting topic on the docket for you. We'll 72 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: get to that in a second, because we do want 73 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: to go around the league a little bit with some 74 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: NFL news and notes, and the Denver Broncos thing is 75 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: fascinating to me. And I'm gonna I'm gonna admit I 76 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: was behind the curve on what the NFL going prices 77 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: or a franchise, because I remember when the Panthers got 78 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: bought by Dave Tepper. I think it was two and 79 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: a quarter billion, which was obviously an increase from what 80 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: the Bugoulas paid in twenty fourteen. But I'm sitting here 81 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: with Steve. When you know the Broncos first officially go 82 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: up for Saley goes, somebody's gonna pay five billion for 83 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: that team. I said five billion. I said, Tepper just 84 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: paid two and a quarter like four years ago. It's 85 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: double then now then the numbers and it's incredible. I said, 86 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't believe him. I said, nah, come on, 87 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: maybe four maybe, and then you know, sure enough, here 88 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: it is. It's gonna be about five billion to buy 89 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: the Broncos. And we're talking about Denver. Denver's a great 90 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: city at all. But we're not talking about la I'm 91 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: not talking five marks exactly. We're talking about Denver, great city. 92 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: Five billion dollars. That's what their franchise is worth. That 93 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: is that is the the NFL right there. So the 94 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: reason we're talking about this is because a second round 95 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: of bids they're due today. Today is the deadline. And 96 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: their claim, the Broncos organization is claiming there is no favorite, 97 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: And why would they even if there was, why would 98 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: they say that they don't show your hand? Drive the 99 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: price up, you know, get everybody, Oh, I still got 100 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: a shot at this, all right, let me let me 101 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: add an extra zero to this thing, or an extra digitum. 102 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: But many people feel that the front runners are two parties, 103 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: Rob Walton and Family primary the primary heir to the 104 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: Walmart fortune, who's worth about sixty five billion, and a 105 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: group headed up by Josh Harris, the principal owner of 106 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia seventy six ers managing partner in the New 107 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: Jersey Devils. He's reportedly worth eight billion. It's just a 108 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: mere eight billion dollars um. You know he's not double yeah. Um, So, 109 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: just so everybody knows, Josh Harris's bid is the one 110 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: that has Magic Johnson as the minority partner. And we 111 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: know NFL ownership is looking to broaden the diversity of 112 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: the ownership group. I don't know if that checks the 113 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: box necessarily because he's not the print. He wouldn't be 114 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: the principal owner, but he'd be part of the ownership group. 115 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: But I guess they'd take what they can get. But 116 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: then then you got Walton who said, well, I'm not 117 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: only going to buy the team, I'm also willing to 118 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: build a new stadium there that's gonna rival so far 119 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: you want to perk the years up of owners were fast, 120 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: that'll do it. Every owner, Roger Goodell, everybody, everybody gets 121 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: in line and goes, okay, that's that's that's the bid, 122 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: because that's I mean, because now you've got it, and 123 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: if he's gonna build it like so far, conceivably it's 124 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: got a roof on it. If some kind now you've 125 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: got another Super Bowl venue that you can throw in 126 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: the rotation. So that is going to be very compelling, 127 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: if in fact he's sweetening the pot with that. There's 128 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: other things that I read in I'm trying to remember 129 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: where I pulled this from. Forgive me for not remembering 130 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: the written source, but it was a Denver outlet and 131 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: they said, I think it was a Denver post. They 132 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: believe Walton's the favorite because he can outbid Harris based 133 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: on his net worth. That's number one, right. He's apparently 134 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: tight with Stan Cronkie the Rams. That helps. He owns 135 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: a home in Aspen already. I don't know how this 136 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: is an advantage, but oh, he's a Denver guy because 137 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: he's got a house at Aspen. You know what I mean. 138 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: Rich people have houses and Aspen. My guess is he 139 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: has houses pretty much everywhere you name the city. Well, 140 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: it's interesting. Probably got a house. It's interesting you say 141 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: that because he has a three home compound in Scottsdale, Arizona. 142 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: Well probably. He apparently has a son and family members 143 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: who live in Boulder, So I don't know if they're paying. 144 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: Isn't the Wallon family from Arkansas? Like he's being for sure, 145 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: he's being painted at this Colorado guy. You know. Um, 146 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: I mean, next thing you need him to do is 147 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: sing a John Denver song. But and then the obviously 148 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: he's willing to build a stadium. That's the other reason 149 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: that if you have fifty billion dollars plus, you're pretty 150 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: much any city guy. Well your name in the city, 151 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: you're there guy. Yeah, they're like, oh no, he's he's 152 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: one of ours. Yeah right, everybody want we'll call him 153 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: ours exactly. But I mean that's nuts, Like how is 154 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: a home in Aspen make him a more qualified cat? 155 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: It's the money that's I mean, that's really all it is. 156 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: So we'll see where that goes. It's gonna be very interesting. 157 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: And does it get to five billion or even more, 158 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: especially if you know it's down to like a two 159 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: horse race? How far does Josh Harris push this thing, 160 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: you know, to compete. I don't know that he can 161 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: because he can go wherever he needs to go. Yeah, 162 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: I mean if he really wants your price, almost, if 163 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: he really wants it, he's not going to get out bid, right, 164 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: that's not happening. Yeah, it's the money is I can't 165 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: even you just can't even fathom the money. It's just otherworldly. 166 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: It really is. Other news and notes that kind of 167 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: caught our eye a little bit. It looks like franchise 168 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: tag tight end Dalton Shoultz of the Dallas Cowboys is 169 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: not a happy camper. Told the team he's not coming 170 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: to the rest of voluntary OTAs because he's disappointed with 171 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: the lack of progress on a long term contract extension. 172 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: As we know, July fifteenth is the drop dead day 173 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: to do that if you're a tagged player. Otherwise you 174 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: got to live under the tag for a year. What 175 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 1: leg does he really have to stand on? Yeah, getting 176 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: paid good money. It's like, I'm not coming to voluntary OTA, 177 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: but I'll see you next week at mandatory minicamp. Yeah, 178 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: I'm with you. And the thing with him is he's 179 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: a good tight end. He's I don't put him in 180 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: the top five tight ends in the NFL, like he's 181 00:09:55,520 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: good and he also on that team. Where does he 182 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: fall in the pecking order of playmakers? Yeah, right, it's 183 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see what the pecking order is 184 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: now with Cooper gone. Yeah, you know, Ceedee Lamb, So 185 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: it's probably Lamb Gallop. I can't even remember who if 186 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: Ezekiel Ella can stay on the field. Yeah, I'm just 187 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: strictly thinking passing targets and where Schultz would fall into that. 188 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: He's third and best, fourth and worst probably that's probably 189 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: where it goes. Tony Pollard's gonna catch more balls out 190 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: of the best field than Elliott will Um Hell, Polar 191 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: might even play more than that guy. Well, if he's 192 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: not all billion a year, geez, it's a lot of 193 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: money for that guy. He was probably gonna very soon 194 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: be second fiddle. Poler is a better all around player 195 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: than he is. Yeah, he had some games last year 196 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: where you went, how's this guy not? Yea, why isn't 197 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: he playing more? So? Yeah, I don't know where it's 198 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: gonna go. You have to believe that Schultz is probably 199 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: ticked because David and Joku got four years fifty six 200 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: point seven five from the Browns after he got tagged, 201 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: he signs that extension. Mike Gisicki is another tight end 202 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: that got franchise, but he doesn't have a long term 203 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: deal either, and I have to imagine that brokering a 204 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: long term extension with him may have gotten a little harder. 205 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: With all of the talent they brought on the roster, 206 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: Toront Armstead, left tackle money, Tyreek Hill, top of the 207 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: market receiver money, It's like, well, you know, we may 208 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: have to wait on you, Mike just a little bit. 209 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: Take the ten point nine play under that we'll figure 210 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: it out next year when the cap goes up again. 211 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: That's my guess. I don't Maybe they come to agreement 212 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: on something in training camp with the Dolphins in Gisicki. 213 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: But you gotta you gotta believe that Brandon Bean's watching 214 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: this very closely and seeing how this all plays out 215 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: because Dawson Knoxes is coming up pretty soon. Now. Fourteen 216 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: million doll year for David and Joku does not help. No, 217 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't help. But there's always an outlier, and if 218 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: you can sell it as an outlier, I don't know 219 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: if you can. I'm sure sure Dawson Knox and his 220 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: representatives are looking at it as an outlier. But to me, yeah, 221 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: I just do not know how Cleveland through that type 222 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: of money David and Joku. I mean, I got to me, 223 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: I don't remember any kind of breakout, unbelievable productive season 224 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: from him that hasn't happened, really wasn't. And I mean 225 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: keep in mind, this was a team that you know, 226 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: they had Austin Hooper, then they drafted the kid a 227 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: couple of years ago from I believe Stanford. I think 228 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: he was a Stanford tight end. You know, they they 229 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: had three tight ends at one point. Their roster construction 230 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: is a little wonky in Cleveland. He has one fifty 231 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: catch season, has never had more than four touchdowns in 232 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: a season. He looks the part, oh, I mean athletics, right, 233 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: I mean he looks the part, but there's nothing on 234 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: there that says the price tag is what it is. 235 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: And that's why it's bad for teams like the Bills 236 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: because you have a guy like David and Joku who 237 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: his best season is fifty six catches for six hundred 238 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: and thirty nine yards and it was four years ago, 239 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: and he gets fourteen million a year. So when you're 240 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: doing comps, which is what agents do and what gms do. 241 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: I mean, Dawson Knox had nine touchdowns last year, He's 242 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: had double whatever his best season was. That's not good. Yeah, 243 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: that paints that paints the Bills in a pretty tough corner. Yeah, 244 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: that's but freaking clear. I mean, right, they've done what 245 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: are you doing in the lake? What are you doing? 246 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: And Joku and not help. They're not doing the Bills 247 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: any favors for sure. And this is what happens. You 248 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: see these teams that are so desperate for top end 249 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: talent and they'll do anything, even if it means resetting 250 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: the market in almost an artificial way. Dolphins are a 251 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: perfect example. Did you really need to give that much 252 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: to Tyreek Hill? Like that is insane? And what happened? 253 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: Everybody had to need boy, better take care of my guy. 254 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: Let's get you know. I mean the Bills had to 255 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: do it here with Dicksy because of that contract and 256 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: they got thrown around big time. So it really I mean, 257 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: at least Tyreek Hill is an impact performer like Browns. 258 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: What are you doing with a joker who you want 259 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: to talk about? A guy who he'll catch fewer passes 260 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: than Kareem Hunt. Right, it's possible, right, I mean maybe 261 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: it changes with Watson, maybe he becomes a bigger factor, 262 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: but you're dropping maybe awful lot of coin on potential. Yeah, 263 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: that's fourteen million dollars maybe. I remember I had forgotten 264 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: about it too, Like I was looking. I was like, oh, 265 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: who are the franchise tight ends to have signed? Oh yeah, 266 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: and Joku I was. And then I looked it up. 267 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I forgot about that contract, 268 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: and how stupid it was. Now watching Joku goes have 269 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: an eighty catch season, goes Jeremy Shockey on all of us. 270 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: I suppose it could happen, but I'm not holding my 271 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: breath even with Watson there, uh and then the other 272 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: And that spawns another conversation too, Josh, because you know, 273 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, the Poyer thing is still sitting there. And 274 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: the Bengals kind of hose the Bills a little bit 275 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: too with the Jesse Bates. Yeah, five years, eighty million 276 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: for safety and I mean Bates is a nice player, 277 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: but nice that's that. That also tells me that the 278 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: Bengals were in a position where defensively and much like 279 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: the Bills. They're a team that they have aspirations. I 280 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: mean they were right there, right, They're a team that 281 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: if they feel like Bates is the difference between making 282 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: sure they have a happy safety who's productive they can 283 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: get them back to the super Bowl, then they do it. 284 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: The Bills are in the same spot with Poyer. You know, 285 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: player's a huge part of the defense. But that money 286 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: is ridiculous. Once again, an Ohio team does the Bills 287 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: no favors? Well, yeah, and look, Bates is a younger 288 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: guy than Poyer, who's thirty one. And I think what's 289 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: different here is you're paying two safeties pretty respectable money. 290 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: I mean they both make somewhere between nine and a 291 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: half and ten a year. To my knowledge, the Bengals 292 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: don't have that, and there are a lot of other 293 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: teams that don't have that. Either they pay one safety 294 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: giant money and then the other guys making decent money. 295 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: Here you have two safeties making really good money, if 296 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: not tippy top of the market money, And it's like, 297 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: how do you balance that because it's almost like if 298 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: you pay poorer more by a significant amount, is that 299 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: viewed as you know, sliding hide? I don't know well 300 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: it's going to be interpreted. Yeah, and big picture, take 301 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: it away from just the safeties, looking at just the safeties, 302 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: what's burrows contract rookie deal? Well still right, so so 303 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: you have a little bit of extra change to throw around. 304 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: Burrow eventually is going to get that Josh Allen deal, 305 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: even more so because it's gonna be in a couple 306 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: of years. It's gonna make Josh Allen look like the 307 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: steal of the century. Right. But but it's that's gonna come, 308 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: and then they're gonna have to figure out who to 309 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: pay and who not to pay. Yeah. I wonder if 310 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: Bates gets to the end of that deal, because Burrow 311 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: is gonna have to sign his before Bates has done 312 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: with the one he just signed to a five year 313 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: deal here, So be interesting to see if he gets 314 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,719 Speaker 1: to the back end of that deal and they figure something. Now. 315 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: Peter King, as we know, does his Football Morning in 316 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: America column every Monday, and he decided to put a 317 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: list together for twenty twenty two of the twenty two 318 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: most influential NFL people. Josh made the list, Josh Allen 319 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: not h Yeah, that's a different list that would be 320 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: pretty special. Yeah, but Yeah, he comes in at number seven, 321 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: primarily because he's playing on the best team in the 322 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: eyes of Peter King. That was his reasoning for putting 323 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: Josh at number seven. But how cool is that? It's cool? Right, 324 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely. I mean, the Buffalo Bills have 325 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: the seventh according to Peter Kang, have the seventh most 326 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: influential person player or you know, somebody who's kind of 327 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: in control, management, whatever in the entire NFL. That is 328 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: that's pretty awesome. Roger Goodell was number one. Josh was 329 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: perplexed by this, and so was I. Number two. Is 330 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:24,479 Speaker 1: DeShawn Watson now influential? I get does that? Like I 331 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: understand he's going to be in the headlines, probably more 332 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: for bad than good, because you know, whatever happens with 333 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: the civil suits, whatever happens with the league and the 334 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: completion of their investigation, which many people feel is going 335 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: to wrap up before training camp and provide a clear 336 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: path to what a suspension is going to look like 337 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: this year. This is not flipping over into calendar year 338 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three by all indications. So I don't know, 339 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: is influential the right word to apply to him? Yeah? 340 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: You know why because I think that if he plays, 341 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: the Browns look like a pletely different franchise than if 342 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: he doesn't play, right, I mean, if he doesn't play 343 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: and they've got to run Baker Mayfield back out there, 344 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: I mean the whole It's just which is what a storyline? 345 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,239 Speaker 1: I mean? Can you see Bakers suiting up for them 346 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: again under any circus? I can? I do? I think 347 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: I do. I think that I think they are waiting 348 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: to find out, which, to me, is crazy that you 349 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: would do that much guaranteed money at Deshaun Watt's not convinced, 350 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: just in it, just in a bubble, and not knowing 351 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: what his future is going to be like. It just 352 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: blows my mind why you would ever do that after 353 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: all the accusations that were levied against him, period, and 354 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: then not really know what the future is going to hold, 355 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: and then you keep Baker Mayfield. And obviously they didn't 356 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: get an offer that they thought was fair or maybe 357 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: any of They said last week that the Panthers came 358 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: out last week that the Panthers offered to pay six 359 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: million dollars of Baker salary this year, which is eighteen 360 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: almost nineteen mill and the Browns said that's not enough. 361 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: We don't want to do the deal. That's the only 362 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: one with hard and fast figures that we heard that 363 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: was out there. I'm sure there were other inquiries, maybe 364 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: even other offers, but that's where it's set. And I 365 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,719 Speaker 1: think these teams Carolina has probably out of the mix now. 366 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: They drafted Matt Corral, so they have another guy in 367 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: the pipeline, I guess unless you want to have a 368 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen draft class quarterback competition between Mayfield and Darnold 369 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: in Carolina. But Seattle they're probably waiting for him to 370 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: just get clipped, yeah, and then they'll go take it 371 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: from there. But I'm interested to hear more on your 372 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: thoughts about you think Mayfield, if given the opportunity, would 373 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: take the field again for the Browns. To me, I 374 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: feel like a bridge has been burned. And doesn't Baker 375 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: strike you, Oh, he's the kind of guy that would 376 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: cut his nose off to spite his face and just 377 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: sit there with his arms. Yea. And now that that 378 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: could definitely be the case. That could seem like that 379 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: type of personality. But if you can get the right 380 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: person in his ear and convince him that, look, if 381 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: you want to do what's best for your own value 382 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: and you want actually out of Cleveland, go out there, 383 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: put up it. Even if it's the I don't know 384 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: who knows Deshaun Watson if he's suspended or with the 385 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: length or whatever. Maybe he's not suspended, but let's say 386 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: he's suspended for a portion of the season. Baker Mayfield 387 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: goes out and puts up a decent start of the year. 388 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: Suddenly you become valuable. Now you're right? Is Baker Mayfield 389 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: the guy that got me thinking? Now? Like maybe the 390 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: length of the suspension could influence him. Like, if it's 391 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: six games, I'm in. If I'm your guy for these 392 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: six games, I'm in. If it's a three game suspension, Yeah, 393 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: is he doing it? I don't know. You gotta you 394 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: gotta wonder how much you know how many of the 395 00:21:54,560 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: guys in the lockers there's in Joku highlight of course timely, 396 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: you gotta wonder how many guys in that locker room 397 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: he still has a good relationship with it. He could 398 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: go to maybe they could maybe they could get in 399 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: his ear. Yeah. I can't imagine the coaching staff's gonna 400 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: have much say much poll but maybe a couple of 401 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: the teammates could go to him and say, look, do 402 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: what's best for you in the long run, because if 403 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: you go out and you show that it was your 404 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: shoulder that was an issue, and you play well and 405 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: you put up some numbers, you can get out of here, 406 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: you can get out of Cleveland, they'll be able to 407 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: trade you. Then. I don't know. I think the players 408 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: are the only people that he'll listen to because I 409 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: think in his brain, everybody on the coaching side, everybody 410 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: in the front office, they all signed off on Deshaun 411 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: Watson and chose him over Baker, even after Baker played 412 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: hurt pretty much the entire season with his arm hanging off, 413 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: and this was the thanks that he got. I think 414 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: he has written off any coach or front office person 415 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: in that organization, as you know, turning on him and 416 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: being a trader in his mind as far as his 417 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: career is concerned. So I think a player is going 418 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: to have to reel him back in. But this is 419 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: here's the thing. We're just sitting here talking for five 420 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: minutes about Baker Mayfield, right, this is the ripple effect 421 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: of Deshaun Watson, Right, Yeah, this is this is what 422 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: I and I don't know specifically if this is why 423 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: Peter King put him at number two, but whether he plays, 424 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: whether he doesn't play, what does it say about the 425 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: NFL if they let him play and he's not suspended. 426 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: What There's just so much surrounding everything that happens in 427 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: this in this scenario with the Shawn Watson and the 428 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, Yeah, the only certainty is the Browns will 429 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: pay him two hundred thirty which another another reason, right, 430 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: which is another reason why it's such a yeah, and 431 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: I think it's been so long, like everybody forgets the 432 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: last full season he played, he led the league in 433 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: passing yards. So he's talent wise, I mean, you can't 434 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: you can't question his talent. You can question a lot 435 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: of other things, but you can't question his talent. The 436 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: just and Okay, now he's kind of set the money 437 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: right for guaranteed money for quarterbacks. So there's another influential 438 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: aspect of this whole thing. Oh, when Burrow comes up, 439 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: right and and Herbert comes up, it's like, Okay, these 440 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: guys are all gonna want that amount. Yeah, Burrow be like, hey, 441 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: I got my team to a super Bowl and an 442 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: AFC title. Right, I need all my money guaranteed too, 443 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: and it's going to be significantly more. How about this? 444 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: The aforementioned Rob Walton listed at five on the influential list. 445 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: He's the perspective. Maybe Broncos zone might be, he might 446 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: be an owner at some point. Something tells me Peter 447 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: has been told something's gonna be happening with Rob Walton 448 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: sooner ether than later. Guy's just worth too much money. 449 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: Where was Tom Brady? You know he's on it right. 450 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: Brady was third, Mahomes was fourth, and then Walton fifth. 451 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: So Josh Allen was the third player. He was one two, three, 452 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: four players. So he's yeah, fourth player. Um, the one 453 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: that I had to laugh out loud about. And this 454 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: is no disrespect to this person. Matthew Berry, fantasy football expert, 455 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: is listed as tenth. Now, Josh, if I asked you 456 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: ten years ago, in twenty twenty two, we're gonna put 457 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: together a list of the twenty most influential people in 458 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: the NFL at that time, a fantasy football expert. That's 459 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: incredible that you gotta be. You're Matthew Berry. You're ten 460 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: feet tall. Oh yeah, you're I mean the chest is 461 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: out you're walking through the halls. You gotta wonder if 462 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: Peter King odam one on that one. That's unbelieve. Yeah, 463 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: I mean, look, don't get me wrong, I know fantasy 464 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: football is gigantic. I think it somebody. I've read something 465 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 1: somewhere where it said, like, fantasy football it's like a 466 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: billion dollars in revenue generation, just with all the money 467 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: that's you know, put into leagues and people signing up 468 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: for service is and whatever. But man, tenth most it's thick. 469 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: Got him ahead of Brian Roll? How does Brian rollap feel? 470 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: The NFL Chief Media and Business officer, the guy helping 471 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: to broker the television broadcast deals. He's behind Matthew barn 472 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: Where where I didn't even say? This is Matthew Berry 473 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: ahead of Jerry Jones. He's ahead of Joe Burrow is 474 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: the head of Jones. The Cowboys owner Troy Vincent, NFL 475 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: executive vice president of football Operations. He's thirteen. It's Matthew 476 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 1: Matthew Berry, a guy that went to law school. Jeff 477 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: passed the NFL General Council. He's fifteenth. Matt here's your 478 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: flex options for this? Here are we as a country 479 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: honest guy, where where Matt Berry has a lot of 480 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: poll in power in the NFL. Stan Croncky, the owner 481 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: of the Rams, is listed his twentieth He's ten spots 482 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: spot him Matthew Berry. That's unbelievable. I gotta I gotta 483 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: go pull up his column. I want to see what 484 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: he wrote for Matthew Berry. It's just I can't believe it. 485 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: How did he do with this here? No? I will 486 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: say this. How many people that are hardcore fantasy football players, right, 487 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: and maybe maybe maybe not even hardcore, just our fantasy 488 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: football people, and they sit their lineups every week in 489 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: the week and they're into it. They know exactly who 490 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: Matthew Berry is. Well, because I'll tell you this, I'll 491 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: tell you this, my wife knows who Matthew Berry is. 492 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: She does fantasy football. She knows who he is. I 493 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: don't think she could tell you who Cronky is. Okay, 494 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: I don't think so, Okay, I don't that's a valid point, right, No, 495 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: I think she would know Jerry Jones, Yeah she would, 496 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't think there's a lot of 497 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: guys that you mentioned that she wouldn't know. She wouldn't 498 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: know who they are. Yeah, like Troy Vincent, she she 499 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't know Um, she would know Goodell, and she would 500 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: know Joe Burrow. She would know Joe Burrow. Be shocked 501 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: at Joe. Joe Burrow needs to be asked about ranked 502 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: behind Berries on spot behind Aaron Rodgers, like the two 503 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: time MVPs on spot By. Okay, I can't, I can't. 504 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I love Matthew Berry and he's great at 505 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: what he does, and you're right, he is influential. Most 506 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: casual NFL fans know who that guy is because he's 507 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: directly related to their involvement in the league every single day. 508 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: So I get why he's on the list. It's I 509 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: just can't help but laugh when I see him. He's 510 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: right under Aaron Rodger. Just makes me laugh. It's just, 511 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: I mean it good for him, man, good for him, 512 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: but holy cow, it's just it's I don't know why 513 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: it strikes me. It's funny. I don't need to be disrespectful, 514 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: but you don't expect to see that those guys, you 515 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, it's just it's comical. It's 516 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: totally comical. I can't handle it. Before we go to 517 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: break here, we do want to let you know our 518 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: topic of the day. It's a fill in the blank. 519 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: We're trying to make it easy for you. You You know, 520 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: the high school kids got their final exams coming up here, 521 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: We've got an easy one for you. We've been talking 522 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: so much about the offense the last couple of weeks 523 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: because everybody's excited about it, the new additions, the new 524 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: coordinator and Ken Dorsey, and we get it, and we've 525 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: been talking about it, but we want to flip it 526 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: over to that unit, you know that led the league 527 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: in about six different categories on defense, including total defense 528 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: and points allowed. So we're asking you today the Bills 529 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: defense will rank number one in the NFL again this 530 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: year if blank, So fill in the blank for us 531 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: eight oh three, oh five fifty one eighty eight five 532 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: fifty two, five fifty to number two. Call or hit 533 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: us up on the tweet sheet at one Bills Live, 534 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: Josh and I Plenty Moore coming your way next, including 535 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: your phone calls here on one Bills Live, presented by 536 00:29:52,560 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: Kalat of Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, Welcome 537 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: back to one Bills Live. Chris Brown along with Josh 538 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: Reid helping us out here on a Monday from w 539 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: IVBTV Channel four here in Buffalo, and we do want 540 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: to get right to your comments as we are asking 541 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: you today the Bills defense will rank number one in 542 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: the NFL again this year. If blank fill in the 543 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: blank for us, let us know what it's going to 544 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: take for the Bills to finish number one in defense 545 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: again this season after doing so in twenty twenty one. 546 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: Tweetch sheet is always brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems, 547 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: the official equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills. And 548 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: Isaac leads us off today and he says the pass 549 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: rush is top ten in sacks and QB rushes, So 550 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: he's basically saying the pressure better get the job done. Yeah, 551 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 1: which which was the one area they may have been 552 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: lacking last year. Yeah. And I mean I think we 553 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: heard from Brandon being he touched on it a couple 554 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: of times this off season, was they didn't do a 555 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: whole lot on the back end of the defense. Granted 556 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: that they did in the draft, that they didn't address 557 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: it in free agency. What they did was they addressed 558 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: the pass rush in up front the front four, hoping 559 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: that more pass rush will help the back end. Yeah, 560 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: we heard Brandon being kind of addressed that a little bit, 561 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: so I mean sure. I mean, anytime you can get 562 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: heat on the quarterback, you know, it's a win for 563 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: the entire defense, right, and people are fully anticipating that 564 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: with von Miller here obviously, and then another bringing back 565 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: Shack Jordan Phillips, who I mean, Jordan Phillips. I'm going 566 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: to be interested to see what if he's able to 567 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: recapture a little bit of what he did a couple 568 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: of seasons ago. I think it was smart to put 569 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: him on a one year contract. That's when he seems 570 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: to play, is most motivated because he's playing for the 571 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: next contract. It's interesting to see how they're going to 572 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: work the pass rush packet. So when he was here 573 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: the last time, Ed was a young player, and there 574 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: were times where they would put both those guys out 575 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: there together in obvious passing situations because I think Jordan Phillips, 576 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: despite the fact that he's like three hundred forty five pounds, 577 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: he's underrated as a penetrator. And I think he and 578 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: Shack finished first and second on the team in sacks 579 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: that last year. They were both sounds nineteen yea, and 580 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: now ed with where he is in his development as 581 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: a player, you put him next to Jordan Phillips on 582 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: the inside. I think everybody's sleeping on those two guys 583 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: because von Miller's here, and I get it. You know, 584 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: guy walks in the door with a hundred some odd sacks. Okay, 585 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: paying attention to that guy, sure, But Phillips and Oliver 586 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: on the inside is an intriguing tandem for obvious passing downs. 587 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: If they decide to go that route, I think they 588 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: could be dangerous. And Greg Russ now on the other side, 589 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: I haven't even mentioned him, and things of the path 590 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: has been cleared for him a little bit. With Jerry 591 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: he's gone, Mario Addison gone, and all of a sudden 592 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: it's Greg Russeau. And and oh yeah, by the way, 593 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, von Miller's on the other side, so 594 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: he's gonna have a lot of eyeballs on him. So 595 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: Greg russo, you know, can maybe take that to his advantage. Yeah, 596 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: Rousseau has kind of transformed his body a little bit. 597 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: He's bigger through the shoulders and chests, probably add about 598 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: eight to ten pounds a lean muscle mass. Boogie bash 599 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: him has transformed his body. He looks different. I don't 600 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: know if it's the fifties number he has now that's 601 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: helping him, but he has like transformed his physique. He 602 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: looks different. And we'll see where AJ's adding. Year three, 603 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: it's a huge year for him. It's a proven year 604 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: for him to show he can be a consistent contributor. 605 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: You know, I remember like week two he knocked two 606 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: out of the game. We're like, whoa, here he comes, yep, 607 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: and then it was just kind of like flatline after that. 608 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: I think they want to see more of that from him, 609 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: for sure. But that's a good that's a good leadoff 610 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: one there. Isaac Paul on the tweet sheet says, if 611 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: and when Trey is a to play at the same 612 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: level he was before the injury, this is a sixty 613 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,959 Speaker 1: four million dollar question. I thinks the defense is concerned, 614 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: and I think that was the no brainer answer. I 615 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: mean to me, it was if Trey White misses any time, 616 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: and if so, how much you know? I think that's 617 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: how you know. Now, granted he missed games after Thanksgiving, 618 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: in the defense did not miss a beat. There's only 619 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: so often you want to go back to that well though, 620 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: well because at some point, at some point, it's gonna 621 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 1: cost you. Yeah, and if he's not ready kickoff game 622 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: week one, that means you got Dane Jackson and Kayer 623 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: Elam with a welcome to the NFL for Kayer Ea 624 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: and Alan Robinson. That's a heck of a first assignment 625 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 1: to draw. I mean, I don't want to, you know, 626 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: make assumptions, but I think it's fair to assume absent 627 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: White in week one. If it comes to that, you're 628 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: looking at Dane and Kayer Elam on the outside with 629 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: Taryn Johnson in the slot. And that's that's a tall 630 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: order Week one on the road against the defending Super 631 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: Bowl champs. Um. That's not to say that they would 632 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 1: rush White. This athletic training staff takes a deliberate approach. 633 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,479 Speaker 1: They air on the side of caution. Yeah, not gonna 634 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: rush anything. No, And why would you, I mean week 635 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: one is it's it's one game, yeah right, I mean, 636 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: it's don't get me wrong, it'd be a huge statement 637 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: to be able to go into LA that opener and 638 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: lay one on the defending Super Bowl champs. But you 639 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: don't risk having a setback week one in order to 640 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 1: the for the long game. I mean, the long gain 641 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: is so much more important, no question. Steve on the 642 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: tweet sheet says Trey White is one hundred percent healthy 643 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: and Kyrie Elam is as solid as advertised. Having two 644 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: super solid corners will allow the pass rush to affect 645 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: qbs and create turnovers. A lot is made of the 646 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: Bills offense, and it's well deserved. But this may be 647 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: the best Bill's defense of the McDermott bean era. What 648 00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: do you think of that? You think this could be 649 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: even better than last year's number one defense. I mean 650 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: it's hard to get better than number one, right, I 651 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: mean Von is an upgrade. Well, he's definitely an upgrade. 652 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: I mean you look at the additions and subtraction. So 653 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: Levi Wallace is gone right right, the defensive line has 654 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: been completely overhauled. Star is still you know, he's not here, 655 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: He's he's so I mean, but you bring in settle 656 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: your Quan Jones why. I think it's super underrated. We 657 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: talked about Phillips Phillips, we talked about Shack, So, I mean, 658 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: so that's more than half of the group is different. Yeah, 659 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: and I think it's a better different. I think it 660 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: is I think it is. I think it's I think 661 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think they stayed the same. I 662 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: think they upgraded. Yeah, I would agree with that. The 663 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: linebacker contingent is largely the same. You added Torell Bernard, 664 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: but logic says he's going to be a second teamer 665 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: at the best and probably on special team somewhere along 666 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: with Tyrrell Dotson. And then you have the first round 667 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: investment at corner in Kayer Elam and then even later 668 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,280 Speaker 1: in the draft with Christian Benford. So yeah, it could 669 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: be could be better than last year, which is a 670 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: scary thing. And here's the scariest thing for me, Josh, 671 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: and I don't let me know how you feel about this. 672 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: We talked about how the pass whereush was lacking last 673 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,439 Speaker 1: year in terms of production, and yet this team still 674 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: finished number one against the past. Yeah, against the past. Yeah. 675 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: They and the job that Leslie Frasier does with that defense. Yeah, 676 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 1: and Sean obviously, I mean it's his and Leslie's defense. 677 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 1: The job that they do with the pieces that they have, 678 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: They put them in the right to marked spots to 679 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: succeed every single They maximize every thing like they they're 680 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: ringing out the towel in terms of what they get 681 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: out of that. Yeah, that's a good way. That's a 682 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: good way of putting it, because I don't think very 683 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: often you look at guys on that they deal with 684 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: that they have that, you go, man, they underperform. Yeah, 685 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: I think more often than not. It's it's the Matt Milano. 686 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: It's wow. I mean, look what they got out of 687 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: Matt Milan, right, and they are still getting on it. 688 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: And despite all of that, they have a hard time 689 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: getting a pro bowler out of that unit. Yeah, I 690 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 1: mean what does that say? The number one, you're maximizing 691 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: the talent of everybody on that side of the ball, 692 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: and yet still it's hard to get a guy in 693 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,919 Speaker 1: the dang Pro Bowl from that side of the ball. 694 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: Could you've gotten could they have gotten more? Could any 695 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: team have gotten more out of Tarren Johnson? Right? I 696 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: don't know any, right, Levi Wallace? Could any team got more? 697 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: And that's player development, which I still think is under 698 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 1: underrated as far as his coaching staff is concerned. They're 699 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: really good at it. Let's go to the phones at 700 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: eight oh three oh five fifty one eight eight five 701 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 1: fifty two five fifty. Leading us off today is Judy 702 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: and Buffalo. What do you have for us? Judy, Hi 703 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,720 Speaker 1: there um no um. I've you know, been a proponent 704 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: for a decent pass rush for a long time. I 705 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: think we may have that which will make our quarterbacks 706 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: less vulnerable, because I think that's a problem. But I'm 707 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: also concerned that nobody seems to be teaching Eponessa or 708 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: Russo to bury their approach the quarterback. I watch Epinessa 709 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: with one move to the outside, he never gets there. 710 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: Why doesn't he roll off like Bruce Smith ushould do 711 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: an attack from the inside, the shortest route to the quarterback. 712 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: I think that this could make a big difference in 713 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: this play and his reliability to the defense. Yeah. No, 714 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 1: that's a valid point, Judy, and we thank you for 715 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: the call. I'll say this, it's funny you bring that up, 716 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 1: because Josh and I were going to mention this at 717 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: some point on the show today. Von Miller just had 718 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 1: his pass Rush Pass Rush Summit last weekend in Las Vegas, 719 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 1: and aj Epinessa, Boogie, Basham, and Greg Russo all attended, 720 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: along with a host of who's who in the NFL 721 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: among pass rushers. Veterans, retirees, there's a slew of people 722 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,800 Speaker 1: out there. Anyone who's ever rushed the passer in the 723 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,359 Speaker 1: NFL was out there pretty much. They did one day 724 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: of on field work and one day of film study, 725 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: and basham Aj and Rousseau all kind of stuck together, 726 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: took notes together and yeah, I mean one of and 727 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: I'll give credit where it's due. Catherine Fitzgerald from the 728 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: Buffalo News was out there and did a nice rite 729 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,959 Speaker 1: up on the whole weekend, and she was pointing out 730 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: how these veteran guys would stand up in front of 731 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: everybody and say, Hey, you have to go on the 732 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: field knowing what your primary move is. You have to 733 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,439 Speaker 1: have a plan before every snap. And so there are 734 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: certain things not just in terms of the physical techniques 735 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: of the position and what makes them successful, but the 736 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 1: mental approach to their one on one battle for that 737 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: given day, on that given sun day, different tricks of 738 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: the trade, tips for how to use their hands, get 739 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: extension quick, all that stuff. They give away a little 740 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: bit of the secret to the sauce. It's right, a little, 741 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: but they're giving them a little bit of the secret 742 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: to the sauce. And it's and I think speaking of value, 743 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 1: you know, these defensive ends, they're like, you know what, 744 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: if we stick together, we're all gonna get money. Right, 745 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: if we're all putting up double digit sack numbers, we 746 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: can all get paid. Drive the average price of the 747 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: defensive end up right across the league. If you're doing that, yeah, 748 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: they're not stupid. Um And and the tight ends did 749 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 1: this last year in Tennessee, and Dawson Knox went to 750 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: that had a super productive season. So hopefully Judy AJ 751 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 1: took good notes. He's gonna put it into practice and 752 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: have a monster third year. Here when we have seen 753 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: some other Bill's draft choices during this Bean McDermott era 754 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 1: really come into their own. Last year, it was Knox 755 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: and Devin Singletary to a certain extent. Um, maybe it's 756 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: ajp Andesa and his third year this year. We shall see. 757 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,359 Speaker 1: We've got to take a break here when we come back. 758 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: More of your thoughts on the tweet sheet coming up 759 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: next here on One Bills Live presented by collat To Health, 760 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 1: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right, welcome back. One Bills Live. 761 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 1: Is the show. Chris Brown Josh read with you here 762 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: on a Monday, and I wanted to run this past 763 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: your real quick Josh. So Adam Shine, as you know 764 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: from CBS Sports, NFL dot Com, he along with a 765 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: slew of other people these days, is putting out, you know, 766 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,879 Speaker 1: predictions for the twenty twenty two NFL season. So I'm 767 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: gonna give you the couple that caught my eye. He 768 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: did nine in total. I don't know why it shows nine. 769 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: I mean that's just the only ones he could come 770 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: up with. But the two that I wanted to bring 771 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: to your attention. Number one, the Patriots finished fourteenth in 772 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: the a f C pecking order. He believes the following 773 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: teams will have more wins than the Patriots this year 774 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: in the AFC Buffalo Chargers, Cincinnati Colts, Raiders, Dolphins, Ravens, Broncos, Chiefs, Browns, Steelers, Titans, Jaguars, 775 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 1: and then he has the Patriots fourteen. Fourteen seems a 776 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 1: little too far down right. I Mean, look, I am 777 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 1: not a mac Jones guy. I'm just think that the 778 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: dynasty iss come to an end there, and now that 779 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: Jacksonville's they're a long ways away, and I don't know 780 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 1: how good the Steelers are going to be. I think 781 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: I think picking up Mitch was a good call for them. 782 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: I do. I think he helps kind of be there. 783 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: I think he's a very bridge. I think he's a 784 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: good bridge for them. Defensively, you know, they're they're always 785 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: going to be good, solid on that side of the ball. 786 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 1: There's some sticky stuff in that defensive front to it. 787 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 1: Just retired last week. Yeah that's true. Yeah, And Cameron 788 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: Heyward's thirty three going on thirty four, and Tyson and 789 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: Lua lou Is thirty five going on thirty six. Those 790 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 1: are their starting and Cameron feels like a guy who's 791 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 1: been in the NFL for one hundred years, Like I 792 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,359 Speaker 1: feel like he has got a lot of miles on him. 793 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna be The Steelers 794 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 1: are a team that I'm gonna be really interested in 795 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: to see their win total because that division, right, it's 796 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: a D Cleveland Cincinnati in balt six games. I mean 797 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: there's a chance they go over. I mean the Steelers 798 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: may go over in that division. Wow, right, ain't that 799 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,840 Speaker 1: crazy to even say that? But it's nuts, but it 800 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 1: could happen. I mean there's a chance. So yeah, I 801 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,359 Speaker 1: could see the Steelers being a team, But I don't know. 802 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: Fourteenth is really just almost think that's a little disrespectful. 803 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 1: I mean, believe me, nothing would make me happier than 804 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: to see a plummet of that magnitude. I would be 805 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 1: over the moon for that, But fourteenth seems a little 806 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:18,800 Speaker 1: too sharp a decline for me. Apparently, Shine is super 807 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 1: high on Travis etn like lighting it up coming back 808 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,359 Speaker 1: from the foot injury that made a miss his entire 809 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 1: rookie year. That's a big if though, Yeah, and like 810 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,799 Speaker 1: you gotta see it. They've got a few pieces there, 811 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,879 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm I'm very hesitant to say 812 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: that Jacksonville is going to Yeah, they're not gonna be 813 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,040 Speaker 1: they Maybe they win five games, five wins, maybe up 814 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 1: from six. I mean, I like Doug Peterson. I think 815 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,879 Speaker 1: he'll help Trevor Lawrence Altrey start winning six games. Right, 816 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,319 Speaker 1: they're winning more than that, right, I don't know if 817 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,799 Speaker 1: they're winning more than eighth though, No, maybe not, but 818 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: that's still two eighth. That's still two or three clear 819 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,879 Speaker 1: of what Jack's probably probably gonna win. Yeah, but those 820 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 1: other teams are probably ahead of Yeah, you stop running 821 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: down the list. I mean, there aren't a lot of 822 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 1: teams that you go, oh, New England's clearly better than them. 823 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: There aren't a lot. I'm not yeah, I'm not ready 824 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,799 Speaker 1: to say that. So that was an interesting one. The 825 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 1: other one was this The Chargers field is another prediction 826 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: of Adam Shun. The Chargers field a top three offense 827 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:28,480 Speaker 1: and defense that seemed. Look, they've made all the right 828 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,919 Speaker 1: moves in the offseason. They added some Khalil mack Ars, 829 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:37,360 Speaker 1: J C. Jackson's, they went high end, you know. And 830 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,120 Speaker 1: they also have drafted, well, they just haven't stayed healthy. 831 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,719 Speaker 1: Derwin James, Asante Samuel Junior from last year's draft. They 832 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 1: still have Joey Bosa, you know so, and they also 833 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 1: picked up Bryce Callahan, the other free agent corner. Derwin 834 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: James is an X factor if he's healthy. I know 835 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: it's a big but he is an X factor like that. 836 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:02,400 Speaker 1: Guy's top three in half and I I'll go along 837 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 1: with a top three offense, I could see that. I 838 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,840 Speaker 1: don't know if I'm ready pretty the top three defense 839 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 1: for the Chargers. What do you say, top five? I 840 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:16,880 Speaker 1: don't know, top ten, I'd be okay saying, um, you 841 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,399 Speaker 1: gotta be pretty damn Usually the first year. You put 842 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 1: all of those pieces together, it doesn't all click right away. So, like, 843 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: I could see them being a defense that kind of 844 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,840 Speaker 1: gets hot late in the year, But I think what 845 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,920 Speaker 1: happens in the first half of the year is going 846 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 1: to keep them from being like right there in the 847 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 1: top tier and that division good luck the Homes twice, 848 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,399 Speaker 1: Card twice and Wilson twice. I could be top three 849 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,120 Speaker 1: in defense, yeah right, Like I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, those 850 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: teams were scoring points. Yeah, you know, I don't be 851 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 1: lucky to hold those teams under twenty seven. Yeah, so 852 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,839 Speaker 1: that's a good day. Kill you got a chance to seven? 853 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,319 Speaker 1: You're going, okay, we did pretty well. I mean they 854 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: were right around five hundred last year with the worst 855 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,240 Speaker 1: defense in football. Because they were they had to score 856 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,319 Speaker 1: thirty a game just to be in the game. Yeah, yeah, 857 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,759 Speaker 1: they should be decidedly better though. That's they're gonna be. 858 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,279 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I might put him just outside the 859 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 1: top five. Really you'd go that high. I think I would. 860 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,760 Speaker 1: I think I would because I think it also helps 861 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: that there are some team the division hurts them. What 862 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: helps them is Chargers offense is going to make a 863 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 1: lot of offense is one dimensional because a lot of 864 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,719 Speaker 1: offense are going to be playing from behind, right, So 865 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 1: then you go, okay, pin the ears back these guys 866 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 1: let him Khalil Mack just chase the quarterback around, Ambosa, 867 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 1: chase the quarterback around. All right, I guess, I guess 868 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,120 Speaker 1: it could happen. I'm good with top ten. I just 869 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,360 Speaker 1: couldn't get all the way to that just seemed lofty 870 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,480 Speaker 1: for me. That's a big jump. All right. We gotta 871 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,359 Speaker 1: take a break here. When we come back, the Hall 872 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 1: of Famer will be joining us. Thurman Thomas set to 873 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,759 Speaker 1: meet with us here in studio talk about some of 874 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 1: the stuff he and his wife Patty are doing for 875 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,839 Speaker 1: East Buffalo, and will pick his brain a little bit 876 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,400 Speaker 1: about this Bill's roster and the newest edition in the 877 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,280 Speaker 1: offensive backfield. Like to get his thoughts on one James 878 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 1: Cook next here on One Bill's Live presented by Collid 879 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 1: to Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. At a Steve Tasker 880 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 1: who has been all over the field. Kind of unique. 881 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 1: He was kind of a dual role player for you, Steve, 882 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,759 Speaker 1: Steve a blimp. We're not even in the straged beer 883 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 1: of normalcy. All right. There we are our number two 884 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 1: on a Monday, Chris Brown, Josh Reid in for Steve Tasker, 885 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,280 Speaker 1: and the Hall of Famer joining us for our number two. Thurman, 886 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 1: Thomas Thuram, good to see you. I saw you a 887 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,879 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, obviously when everybody was turning out 888 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,440 Speaker 1: in full force to support these buff below in the 889 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 1: wake of the mass shooting. I know you and Patty 890 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: were some of the first to step to the forefront there, 891 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,239 Speaker 1: so you know, we kind of commend you guys for 892 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,760 Speaker 1: taking a lead on it and correct me if I'm wrong, 893 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 1: But I want to say the first tweet I saw 894 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,240 Speaker 1: from you, the initial goal was was it ten grand 895 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 1: or twenty five grand? What was the initial goal? Because 896 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 1: you guys blew it out of the water well in 897 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,919 Speaker 1: a day. Yeah, it wasn't the Uh, that wasn't the goal. 898 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,279 Speaker 1: That was just what we started. Yeah, we put out 899 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,680 Speaker 1: there that we're gonna donate ten thousand dollars from our 900 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:36,839 Speaker 1: own from my family uh foundation here in Buffalo and 901 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,200 Speaker 1: uh Man, before you know it, a couple of days 902 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,840 Speaker 1: go by, you know, and everybody was given you know, 903 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:50,080 Speaker 1: some prob Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's tremendous and like I said, 904 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,040 Speaker 1: you know, once we started it. Then Eric Wood jumped in, 905 00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,480 Speaker 1: Jim Kelly jumped in, Bruce Smith jumped in, and a 906 00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,840 Speaker 1: lot of the people that that I know personally jumped 907 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,799 Speaker 1: in and say we don't want nobody didn't know, but 908 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,520 Speaker 1: here you go, and we can respect their privacy or whatever, 909 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,960 Speaker 1: but they've done. The people that really helped us a 910 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,160 Speaker 1: lot have done a lot for the community, not just 911 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,319 Speaker 1: the East Side but in Buffalo in general. So you know, 912 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,320 Speaker 1: it's the usual suspects that you hear all the time 913 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,319 Speaker 1: that donate when times are tough like this, and they 914 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,360 Speaker 1: really stepped up to the plate. And it's been you know, 915 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,879 Speaker 1: I still get chills talking about it, you know, just 916 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,080 Speaker 1: from the amount of time then when we started it 917 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,360 Speaker 1: to how much we didn't raise. A man, it's almost 918 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: right at three hundred thousand right now, So I mean, 919 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,640 Speaker 1: it's it's been unbelievable. I mean, but as we all 920 00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,239 Speaker 1: know living here, this is a community that does this 921 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,399 Speaker 1: all the time. And what we do, this is what 922 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,680 Speaker 1: we do. I mean, it's something going to happen on 923 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,839 Speaker 1: a Friday and we're fundraising Saturday morning. I mean, that's 924 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,439 Speaker 1: just how Buffalo is. And you know, I tell people 925 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,320 Speaker 1: all the time. They're like, why do you live there? Blanks? 926 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 1: The people, man and the people, we one another door 927 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,719 Speaker 1: difficult times, and obviously this is a very difficult time 928 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,279 Speaker 1: that we're going through right now on the east side 929 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,280 Speaker 1: of Buffalo, and uh for the families and the friends 930 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,760 Speaker 1: and tops employees. So man, we're doing whatever we possibly 931 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:20,080 Speaker 1: can to, you know, to continue this, not just okay, 932 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 1: it happened, We raise funds. It's in the news for 933 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,759 Speaker 1: two weeks, right, it's in no I mean within a 934 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,520 Speaker 1: year time, you're gonna hear about the anniversary one year anniversary, 935 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,760 Speaker 1: and we want to be out in front of what's 936 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,600 Speaker 1: happened since then. And because that's the way it's supposed 937 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 1: to be. It's easy though, when something like this happens 938 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:43,440 Speaker 1: too write a check, go here, here's here's how I'm helping. Right, 939 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,400 Speaker 1: But you've decided you're putting your name, your face on it. 940 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,080 Speaker 1: You're out in the forefront, which is very commendable. Yeah. Um, 941 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,759 Speaker 1: why why was that important to not just go, hey, 942 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,840 Speaker 1: you know, here, here's a little bit of money. I 943 00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,439 Speaker 1: hope this helps. Why was it important for you to go, look, 944 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,359 Speaker 1: I'm here, what do you need? Because it's pretty much 945 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,680 Speaker 1: almost the exact type of neighborhood that I grew up 946 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:10,160 Speaker 1: in in Houston. And I know how my neighborhood where 947 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,440 Speaker 1: I grew up in Missouri City is still struggling today. 948 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,759 Speaker 1: And you know, maybe these are my people. I I 949 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,879 Speaker 1: go down there a lot. I've been down there a lot. 950 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,839 Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why Bruce Smith came back, 951 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, to be here, to be a part of 952 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,040 Speaker 1: this neighborhood, because we know a lot of people down 953 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 1: there that that have struggled from the time when we 954 00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,239 Speaker 1: were in our twenties till right now. People are still 955 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,439 Speaker 1: struggling down there. And it took twenty years to get 956 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:39,240 Speaker 1: a top supermarket down on the East Side, and now 957 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,560 Speaker 1: with this happening, you see so much more that needs 958 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,920 Speaker 1: to be done. Why do we just have to have 959 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,080 Speaker 1: one supermarket? Why can't we have two? Why can't we 960 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,799 Speaker 1: have a lot of the things that the people have 961 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,719 Speaker 1: an Amherst are in Orchard Park? You know what? And 962 00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,640 Speaker 1: this goes back decades And I don't need yeah, I 963 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 1: don't need to tell you this because you're europe to 964 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,520 Speaker 1: speed on that kind of stuff. But I saw you 965 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,680 Speaker 1: even retweeted like a Washington Post write up that did 966 00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:13,200 Speaker 1: a full spread on when everything changed in East Buffalo 967 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,200 Speaker 1: as they're now calling it because of the thirty three 968 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,919 Speaker 1: literally cut the black community in half in that part 969 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,080 Speaker 1: of the city and devalued house housing prices that are 970 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,640 Speaker 1: right along that strip of the highway or whatever you 971 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,080 Speaker 1: want to call Route thirty three, And you know, it 972 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:36,600 Speaker 1: made it more difficult for housing values to appreciate, for 973 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,399 Speaker 1: those people to kind of raise themselves up because they're 974 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,520 Speaker 1: community that you know, you you beautify your community, you 975 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:48,040 Speaker 1: make it more welcoming. Home values go up. You put 976 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,120 Speaker 1: a highway right through the middle of it, that's a 977 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,080 Speaker 1: death knell. And I know Governor Kathy Hokel is trying 978 00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,120 Speaker 1: to take part in getting part of Route thirty three 979 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:04,200 Speaker 1: covered to allow for the kind of beautification efforts that 980 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,040 Speaker 1: that community would like to jump start again, to again 981 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,919 Speaker 1: raise the value of the community. Just from a home 982 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,080 Speaker 1: market standpoint, that's a big lift. Though. It's a big lift, 983 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,760 Speaker 1: and since that road went in the sixties, it hasn't 984 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,600 Speaker 1: really changed. Yeah, I would just suggest everybody this looking 985 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,040 Speaker 1: at the show or whatever, just go read the article. Yeah, 986 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,040 Speaker 1: go read some article from the Washington Post and it 987 00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,680 Speaker 1: would tell you a lot about the facts and why 988 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,080 Speaker 1: it is the way it is right now, and why 989 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,080 Speaker 1: it is exactly Chris So, I mean, I you know, 990 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:38,440 Speaker 1: we can sit up here and talk about it all 991 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,240 Speaker 1: the day, you can have folks come on call or whatever, 992 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,680 Speaker 1: but just go read the article and find out because 993 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, I knew about this years ago, but nobody 994 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,160 Speaker 1: was really talking about it until you know, actually today, 995 00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,600 Speaker 1: when the Washington Post came out and talked about the 996 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,759 Speaker 1: separation of the thirty three to de value of the 997 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,400 Speaker 1: houses and everything like that. Just go look at the 998 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:04,839 Speaker 1: facts right there in the article and go from there. 999 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,799 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's all I want people to do. Ye, 1000 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,759 Speaker 1: go read the article and you can see and to 1001 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,200 Speaker 1: be honest with you, it's not just here in Buffalo. 1002 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,480 Speaker 1: Oh no, it's across the country. Yeah, it's across the country. 1003 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,520 Speaker 1: All of this has been going and you hate for 1004 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,640 Speaker 1: this to come up because of a tragedy that we 1005 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,239 Speaker 1: just had at the on the East Side, But this 1006 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,759 Speaker 1: is across the freaking country. But if you're going to 1007 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,920 Speaker 1: pull a positive out of a negative, you know, and 1008 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,160 Speaker 1: believe me, we shouldn't need an event like that to 1009 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,640 Speaker 1: shine a light on the problems in a community like that. 1010 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,439 Speaker 1: But if there's one positive that's going to come out 1011 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,320 Speaker 1: of this tragedy, maybe it is getting the people of 1012 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,000 Speaker 1: that community a second supermarket so that when one might 1013 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,600 Speaker 1: be closed for whatever reason, we don't have to mobilize 1014 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,360 Speaker 1: as a community and send emergency meal emergency food kits 1015 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,239 Speaker 1: over there so people have food. Yeah, and this is 1016 00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,200 Speaker 1: this is a city that gets weather, even the simplest 1017 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,840 Speaker 1: thing is weather, Thank god, you know, shutting down roads 1018 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,440 Speaker 1: and you people can't get in that community, can't get 1019 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,120 Speaker 1: to the supermarket, Suggess, what if there's a second one 1020 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,240 Speaker 1: that they get to? It just it seems logical, Yeah, 1021 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,600 Speaker 1: it does. Yeah, And you know, and the last thing 1022 00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,280 Speaker 1: that I'll say on this is like for me, I 1023 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,160 Speaker 1: thought I got a good public school education growing up, right, 1024 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,440 Speaker 1: But now that my kids have finished high school and 1025 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,440 Speaker 1: I see the stuff that they're learning, I'm to me, 1026 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,640 Speaker 1: I'm shocked. Like when I was, I know what redlining is. 1027 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,280 Speaker 1: But when I didn't, I wasn't taught in high school. Right, 1028 00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,840 Speaker 1: at least my kids are getting taught that stuff now 1029 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,120 Speaker 1: so they know, you know, gentrification, all of this stuff. 1030 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,120 Speaker 1: I didn't learn about any of that in high school 1031 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,360 Speaker 1: and now thankfully you know, kids are ye because they 1032 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,680 Speaker 1: got to know about this stuff. Yeah, if they're gonna 1033 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,160 Speaker 1: change anything, they're going to change anything. I had people 1034 00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,760 Speaker 1: who live in Tulsa, Oklahoma, where they had the black 1035 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,600 Speaker 1: Wall Street that didn't even know about that, and they 1036 00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:10,400 Speaker 1: lived in Tulsa. So as much as a lot of 1037 00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,960 Speaker 1: people don't want to hear about this stuff, I think 1038 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,200 Speaker 1: it's time for everybody to step up and just say, look, 1039 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:21,840 Speaker 1: read it and have your own whatever about it. Think 1040 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,840 Speaker 1: the way you want to think, and how you want 1041 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,520 Speaker 1: to think and how and see if you can help 1042 00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,640 Speaker 1: us moving forward, because we're gonna need a lot of help. 1043 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,760 Speaker 1: I mean, but but I like I like you s 1044 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,440 Speaker 1: did say, read that article in the Washington Post, and 1045 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,680 Speaker 1: it would tell you a lot about what happened to 1046 00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,400 Speaker 1: the East side of a couple of things that I 1047 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,000 Speaker 1: didn't that I wasn't aware of. And much like you Thurm, 1048 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm a transplant and much like you, I married a 1049 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,800 Speaker 1: Buffalo girl. So I'm here. Yeah, so I'm here. I'm ready. 1050 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,360 Speaker 1: I'm ready to continue to try to keep helping and 1051 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,200 Speaker 1: do what I'm supposed to be doing. Man, real quick, 1052 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,440 Speaker 1: tell people once again that maybe want to help out still, 1053 00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,760 Speaker 1: how they can do it. Um, it's to the It's 1054 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:08,240 Speaker 1: give dot Thurman Thomas dot com. Okay, okay, yeah, so 1055 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:09,800 Speaker 1: that's how you can help support if you want to 1056 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:14,320 Speaker 1: do it. We were actually cut off the deadline June one, 1057 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,040 Speaker 1: but no people are still given. I mean, you know, yeah, 1058 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:25,280 Speaker 1: of course, and they're still be given. So yeah, it's uh, yeah, 1059 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,000 Speaker 1: it's been it's been remarkable and you know, for me 1060 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,240 Speaker 1: to be back down in the community again to see 1061 00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,520 Speaker 1: the things that are continuing to happen down there, and 1062 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,960 Speaker 1: so uh, me and my wife and my kids. Man, 1063 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,360 Speaker 1: we're just you know, we're happy that we're here. Yeah, 1064 00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:45,960 Speaker 1: it's great. On a much lighter subject, Thurman, the schedule 1065 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,680 Speaker 1: came out early last month for the Bills twenty twenty 1066 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,760 Speaker 1: two regular season schedule. Is there a game it's pretty dang, 1067 00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a Hollywood Marquis schedule. Is there a 1068 00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,920 Speaker 1: game that you circled right away that you said, oh, 1069 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,000 Speaker 1: I can't wait for that one? Was there one that 1070 01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:09,360 Speaker 1: stood out to you of the list? Um, I got 1071 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,560 Speaker 1: a seventeen opponent. I gotta go with the first game, 1072 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,640 Speaker 1: first one, right off the bat, right off the bat. 1073 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,040 Speaker 1: It's hard to top, right right, it's hard to top. 1074 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,680 Speaker 1: But right when it came out, uh, the schedule came out, 1075 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:32,520 Speaker 1: I text Josh, not you, Joba, wait a second, I 1076 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,560 Speaker 1: gotta I text Josh. I said, I'm gonna need five 1077 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:40,040 Speaker 1: touchdowns out of you. And within five seconds, not a problem. 1078 01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,760 Speaker 1: I was like, there we go, Ok, there we go. 1079 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,200 Speaker 1: He's ready and the whole and plus you have the 1080 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,360 Speaker 1: whole v remember they coming back exactly, you know, So 1081 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,520 Speaker 1: I mean that that's a good pick. Obviously that game 1082 01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,320 Speaker 1: jumped out. Um, you know, even with the audition, is 1083 01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,560 Speaker 1: that Miami has done this year. We're getting Tarikia. I 1084 01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,360 Speaker 1: still can't figure out that move with the Kansas City Chiefs, 1085 01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,600 Speaker 1: but them getting better and pretty much a lot of 1086 01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,160 Speaker 1: the FC teams, you know, really getting better. But when 1087 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,560 Speaker 1: you see all the magazines, you see everything, the bills 1088 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,520 Speaker 1: are right there at on the top of everything. And 1089 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:17,920 Speaker 1: I tell you what, this squad here, they got a squad. 1090 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:23,160 Speaker 1: They have a really really nice, talented squad from top 1091 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,120 Speaker 1: to bottom. Yeah, it's gonna, like I said, you like 1092 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,280 Speaker 1: to get into those years where it's gonna be difficult 1093 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,800 Speaker 1: to cut that player, difficult to cut that player. There's 1094 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,480 Speaker 1: so many great, good players that they have on this 1095 01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,880 Speaker 1: football Josh and I were talking about it, and it's 1096 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,240 Speaker 1: like we're saying this about a team. Last year they 1097 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:45,160 Speaker 1: had the number one defense in football right right, and 1098 01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:49,760 Speaker 1: and have gotten better upfront, and have gotten better up front. 1099 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,840 Speaker 1: Obviously you're gonna have to wait until Trey White comes back. 1100 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,160 Speaker 1: And but man, even when he went out last year, 1101 01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,920 Speaker 1: they stayed right there around They were number one at 1102 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,160 Speaker 1: the end of the year. So without a big pass rush, 1103 01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,760 Speaker 1: without a big pass rush, that figures to change. It 1104 01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,600 Speaker 1: has to change. Can you imagine? I thought years ago 1105 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,360 Speaker 1: that me personally, we should have never got rid of 1106 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,520 Speaker 1: Join Phillips in the first place. But I know that 1107 01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,680 Speaker 1: was kind of a money thing. Yeah, and he went 1108 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,880 Speaker 1: to Arizona. But he's back and I guarantee him. And 1109 01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:27,000 Speaker 1: uh ended, I mean we were talking about last year 1110 01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,960 Speaker 1: his contract, right, well, he's got a fifty for next year. 1111 01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,520 Speaker 1: But just the experience with helping him, oh my god. 1112 01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,280 Speaker 1: This And I'm not gonna say that it could be 1113 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:43,080 Speaker 1: that Baltimore Ravens defense that carried him to the Super Bowl. Yeah, 1114 01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:49,720 Speaker 1: but it could be. But I was nasty Josh and 1115 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,840 Speaker 1: I were talking about this though earlier in the show, 1116 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,120 Speaker 1: because von Miller is naturally going to get all the attention, 1117 01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,040 Speaker 1: all the headlines and this and that. But we were 1118 01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,800 Speaker 1: saying a sneaky part of this pass rush could be 1119 01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,280 Speaker 1: Phillips and ed inside and obvious passing that you put 1120 01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,760 Speaker 1: those two guys on the field together, you got one 1121 01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,240 Speaker 1: beast and one penetrator, you know. And then and then 1122 01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,800 Speaker 1: Josh is like, and don't forget Rousseau's on the other side, 1123 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:17,400 Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, I'm excited. That's a sneaky tannem inside. 1124 01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,640 Speaker 1: I mean, and I mean, just what those guys, I 1125 01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,360 Speaker 1: can't even I mean, they got so many guys, and 1126 01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,320 Speaker 1: they got eight guys that can rotate, yeah, in there 1127 01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,960 Speaker 1: every other series or what have you. So, I mean 1128 01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a numbers game, like you said, at 1129 01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,320 Speaker 1: some point, they're gonna have to at least a player 1130 01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,280 Speaker 1: that's gonna hook another team and play and play a 1131 01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,600 Speaker 1: lot and play a lot. And that's what Brandon Bean's done. 1132 01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,040 Speaker 1: I mean, he is just the cupboard is overflowing, man. 1133 01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,720 Speaker 1: Thank God for them two guys, McDermott and Bean. Yeah, 1134 01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:52,640 Speaker 1: I call him McBean many they are the ones that 1135 01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,760 Speaker 1: have turned this franchise around, no doubt, no matter what 1136 01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,240 Speaker 1: anybody says. I mean it was tough because I can 1137 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,800 Speaker 1: remember when they first got here, they got rid of 1138 01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,080 Speaker 1: some players and a lot of people were like, what 1139 01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,760 Speaker 1: are you doing? Why are you They thought, yeah, remember yeah, 1140 01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,160 Speaker 1: and I was like, no, They're doing this for a reason. 1141 01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,840 Speaker 1: They want the type of players, they want their type 1142 01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,160 Speaker 1: of culture over here. And I steal to this day 1143 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,040 Speaker 1: will say the two biggest guys that they got on 1144 01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,720 Speaker 1: this roster that has helped them tremendously has been Jordan 1145 01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,200 Speaker 1: Pourian Micah High. He just we were just talking about 1146 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:30,360 Speaker 1: Micah High. I said, I honestly believe Micah Hide is 1147 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,120 Speaker 1: one of those guys that you know, everybody knows that 1148 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,600 Speaker 1: a couple of guys that they just seem to win 1149 01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,280 Speaker 1: at everything no matter what they do, it doesn't matter. Right, 1150 01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,200 Speaker 1: you took that guy out duck hunting for the first 1151 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,360 Speaker 1: time ever, he'd probably come back with fourteen and you'd go, 1152 01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:44,720 Speaker 1: have you ever duck hunting? And be like, no, he 1153 01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,440 Speaker 1: just seems like that type of guy staying with Poorier. 1154 01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,880 Speaker 1: But Hide came from Green Bay. This guy's missed the 1155 01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,280 Speaker 1: postseason one time. Ever in his career. He just seems 1156 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,160 Speaker 1: like that guy that demands respect inside that room. And 1157 01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think those two guys, or maybe 1158 01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,040 Speaker 1: if you can possibly be overlooked, I don't know, overlooks 1159 01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,640 Speaker 1: probably not the right word, but they are a reason 1160 01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:12,520 Speaker 1: the attitude inside that room change absolutely. And I can 1161 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,520 Speaker 1: remember when Micah Hyde signed here. I saw a tweet 1162 01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,800 Speaker 1: from Aaron Rodgers. He was so happy for Mica Hide, 1163 01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,080 Speaker 1: but he was also upset that Micah Hyde was leaving 1164 01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,600 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. And I am so glad that 1165 01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:31,080 Speaker 1: we got both of those guys, and hey, I love 1166 01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,720 Speaker 1: those guys and that I don't know what the situation 1167 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,600 Speaker 1: is going to be with Jordan Foia contract or whatever, 1168 01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,080 Speaker 1: but I'm sure once the season starts, you'll see twenty 1169 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,440 Speaker 1: one back there in defensive backfield. We thought we'd have 1170 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:47,120 Speaker 1: a little fun with you. Josh Allen now has thirty 1171 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:52,600 Speaker 1: one rushing touchdowns them. Yeah, he's going into his fifth year. Yeah, 1172 01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:55,920 Speaker 1: you think he has a chance of catching you at 1173 01:05:55,960 --> 01:06:01,960 Speaker 1: sixty five? Absolutely away? Do you think he's gonna double that? 1174 01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,560 Speaker 1: I think I think he'll pass there. No way, I 1175 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,680 Speaker 1: think he'll pass. No, really, no, no, because as his 1176 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,000 Speaker 1: career goes on now, because as his career goes I 1177 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,960 Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna run less exactly, think so, yeah, 1178 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,840 Speaker 1: maybe not at the goal line though, that's that's good. 1179 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,400 Speaker 1: It's a goal line. I'm telling what. I would have 1180 01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:22,480 Speaker 1: more touchdowns than be one for Kenny Davis. But he's 1181 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,680 Speaker 1: saying my career down there, so you know I could 1182 01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,439 Speaker 1: have eighty touchdowns and then I will. No, he's never 1183 01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:34,439 Speaker 1: getting it, but you're right the goal line. The goal line, yeah, 1184 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,800 Speaker 1: because he's so big. He's the best line back on 1185 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,800 Speaker 1: the team. He can stay just in from a yard 1186 01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,640 Speaker 1: and Brian Dave was not here anymore, but they had 1187 01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,240 Speaker 1: plays for him on the goal line. Yeah. So yeah, 1188 01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,240 Speaker 1: you think it'll happen. I can't gonna happen. Yeah, I 1189 01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,800 Speaker 1: still don't think it will. But no, I still up 1190 01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,080 Speaker 1: a little short. I do. I still don't think it will. 1191 01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,480 Speaker 1: Sixty four he'll take I will say I will. I 1192 01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,600 Speaker 1: will say this. I think there is because you think 1193 01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,440 Speaker 1: about where these guys came from. Okay, Carolina North and 1194 01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:09,400 Speaker 1: all of that. But Sean McDermott, Brandon Bean and Ken 1195 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:13,800 Speaker 1: Dorsey was a quarterbacks coach down there. They all were 1196 01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:18,520 Speaker 1: witnessed to the cumulative effect of all that running on 1197 01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,320 Speaker 1: Cam Newton's body. And I mean, don't get me wrong, 1198 01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,360 Speaker 1: Cam Newton is one of the most impressive Adonis like 1199 01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,840 Speaker 1: bodies I have ever seen in the NFL in my life. 1200 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,200 Speaker 1: It's probably like him, Mario Williams, and maybe a couple 1201 01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:35,280 Speaker 1: of others like like just looked like they were chiseled 1202 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,800 Speaker 1: at a grantit. Yeah, it didn't matter. All that running 1203 01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,120 Speaker 1: had an effect on Cam to what we saw well 1204 01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,240 Speaker 1: last couple of years in doing it wasn't pretty. I 1205 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:50,880 Speaker 1: think that resonates with Coach McDermott and Ken Dorsey, and 1206 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,520 Speaker 1: so I do agree with you, Josh. I think as 1207 01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,760 Speaker 1: time goes on, they're going to be preaching. Hey, how 1208 01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,600 Speaker 1: about we just throw a little flare screen out to 1209 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,720 Speaker 1: James Cook here and not have you run? Okay, what 1210 01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,280 Speaker 1: do we think of that? Let's do more of that 1211 01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,720 Speaker 1: length in his career. What do you think of Cup? 1212 01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,800 Speaker 1: Do you think think about the site? I almost went 1213 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,240 Speaker 1: and brought the twenty eight jersey to day? Yeah, I 1214 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,520 Speaker 1: mean I spent a lot of time in the park, 1215 01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,479 Speaker 1: a lot of jerseys and doing some emails and stuff. 1216 01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,240 Speaker 1: I almost went to the Mill store to buy a 1217 01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:23,599 Speaker 1: twenty eight jersey. You know the last guy that wore 1218 01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:29,479 Speaker 1: twenty eight year C. J. Spiller, Yeah, electrifying, loved him 1219 01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:34,320 Speaker 1: to death. But this guy right here, Scott here got it. 1220 01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:39,000 Speaker 1: He has it all. I'm talking running the ball, pass 1221 01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:47,760 Speaker 1: blocking slot white out. We possibly could have two of 1222 01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:52,720 Speaker 1: the most one and two punch in the league with him. 1223 01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,920 Speaker 1: But I think this guy right here, given the opportunity 1224 01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:01,920 Speaker 1: and my daughter went to Florida, he's sec guy. Yeah 1225 01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,960 Speaker 1: you started unlike Georgia very much, but this guy here, 1226 01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,559 Speaker 1: this guy took over games. Yeah. He The thing that 1227 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,479 Speaker 1: stands out to me is I'm trying and I'm really 1228 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:18,280 Speaker 1: having a hard time coming up with a running back 1229 01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:22,080 Speaker 1: who came out of college. Who is this polished as 1230 01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,600 Speaker 1: a route, run as a round like usually usually you 1231 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,639 Speaker 1: know you have backs like even the kid the Jets 1232 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,240 Speaker 1: picked up Bruce Hall, Like, he'll come out and you 1233 01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,800 Speaker 1: know he knows how to catch a screen passes. This 1234 01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,920 Speaker 1: guy runs routes like and he's polished with him and 1235 01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,839 Speaker 1: he's got juiced to go with that four four two speed. 1236 01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,800 Speaker 1: And so I'm I was like, who am I? And 1237 01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,160 Speaker 1: I could only think, like I remember Marshall Falk caught 1238 01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,679 Speaker 1: a lot of passes at San Diego State coming out 1239 01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,479 Speaker 1: of college there, but I don't even think he was 1240 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:59,519 Speaker 1: as polished a route runner. Maybe maybe Tomlinson maybe like 1241 01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:04,400 Speaker 1: this pish like he did a lot of runner. You 1242 01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,240 Speaker 1: knew who was a good route runner early in his career, 1243 01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:11,080 Speaker 1: and it was because he had to be, was Lashawn McCoy, 1244 01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,400 Speaker 1: because he was just getting carries with Westbrook in Philadelphia. 1245 01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,040 Speaker 1: That's in order to get on the field. It was 1246 01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,360 Speaker 1: almost like, yeah, you better find a way you can 1247 01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:24,519 Speaker 1: contribute because Westbrook was pretty much carry because of that polish. Yeah, 1248 01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,880 Speaker 1: that he comes into the he's I mean, you could 1249 01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:30,200 Speaker 1: make the argument right now he's the best. Maybe Duke 1250 01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:32,600 Speaker 1: Johnson is a little more. He's got the experience, so 1251 01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,040 Speaker 1: maybe you give the nod to Duke Johnson, but he's 1252 01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:37,439 Speaker 1: got better route running skills than the other two guys, 1253 01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,360 Speaker 1: right Yeah, coming in the door, he's going to be 1254 01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,519 Speaker 1: a matchup problem. I'm gonna tell you that right now, 1255 01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,519 Speaker 1: because you put a linebacker now, he's probably gonna eat 1256 01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,840 Speaker 1: him alive. Oh you can't put a linebacker, But then 1257 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,960 Speaker 1: you put a defensive back there, he's good enough to 1258 01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,400 Speaker 1: run the football too. Well. Yeah, but and here's the 1259 01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,040 Speaker 1: other thing, because you know the safety game that the 1260 01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,680 Speaker 1: Bills are trying to manipulate on offense, because what was 1261 01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,519 Speaker 1: everybody doing last year's dropping their safeties deep and say 1262 01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,439 Speaker 1: Nicol and Diamonds all the way down the field. Prove 1263 01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,000 Speaker 1: to us you're you know, you're consistent enough to do that. 1264 01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:10,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes they were this guy's gonna pull a safety down. Yeah, 1265 01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,240 Speaker 1: he's got you gotta put a safety one of the matchups. 1266 01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,200 Speaker 1: You're gonna be like, now you're single, Now you're single high. 1267 01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,240 Speaker 1: It's like have fun with Dings and Davis. Yah. Yeah right, 1268 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:27,759 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, rookie year, I'm gonna say he probably 1269 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:34,240 Speaker 1: catch think you can get to fifty. I think, Okay, 1270 01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:39,519 Speaker 1: I think it's a tough pecky in this office. I know, yeah, 1271 01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,920 Speaker 1: because you know, if he's gonna get fifty, Steph gonna 1272 01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:44,559 Speaker 1: be like, well, I'm getting a hundred and twenty five 1273 01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,280 Speaker 1: games will be like, well I'm gonna get a hundred. 1274 01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:52,320 Speaker 1: The ball I don't know. I mean, we started off 1275 01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:56,400 Speaker 1: what the year not running the ball, so I don't know. 1276 01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:00,799 Speaker 1: You win that game though, yeah, so yeah, yeah, speak 1277 01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,080 Speaker 1: speaking of running the ball. You remember about a little 1278 01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,439 Speaker 1: over to the halfway point of last season, they started 1279 01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:07,519 Speaker 1: to be able to run the ball. One of the 1280 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,760 Speaker 1: questions it was asked to Sean McDermott about establishing the 1281 01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:12,519 Speaker 1: run and everything. You said, Look, that's something you've got 1282 01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:16,320 Speaker 1: to establish during training camp. I'll never forget that. It'll 1283 01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:19,680 Speaker 1: be interesting watching this year's training camp and as they 1284 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,679 Speaker 1: ramp up to it. If because let's face it, when 1285 01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,960 Speaker 1: you have Josh Allen and you have Digs, and you 1286 01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,280 Speaker 1: have Davis and you have Dawson, you know what you're 1287 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,120 Speaker 1: getting out of the passing game. I'm not saying that 1288 01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,840 Speaker 1: you completely you go, we're good there. We don't need 1289 01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,960 Speaker 1: to work on it. But maybe we see them work 1290 01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,599 Speaker 1: a little bit more on the running game in camp. 1291 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,280 Speaker 1: I think that'll be something to keep an eye on. 1292 01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:43,439 Speaker 1: Man If if they can get the running game going, 1293 01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:48,000 Speaker 1: may look out, look out home field advantage. The last 1294 01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,519 Speaker 1: half of the year's season they were great. SI ended 1295 01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,040 Speaker 1: up having a very good year. Yes, and now you 1296 01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,240 Speaker 1: have Aaron Kromer here, the new old line coach. Not 1297 01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,080 Speaker 1: for nothing, but the last time he was here, this team, 1298 01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,800 Speaker 1: like the league in Russia. Check the back here and 1299 01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,160 Speaker 1: He's a guy that's been in the league long enough 1300 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:09,400 Speaker 1: where he can run any scheme you want. Um. We 1301 01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,559 Speaker 1: had Eric Wood in here last week on the show 1302 01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,080 Speaker 1: because he played under Cromer here the last time he 1303 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:17,919 Speaker 1: was here, and he was just talking about how anything 1304 01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,960 Speaker 1: you want him to run, he can teach it. Teach. 1305 01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,760 Speaker 1: So whether you want to do outside zone this week, 1306 01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:27,200 Speaker 1: inside zone next week, gap whatever, like, he can coach 1307 01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,400 Speaker 1: all of it because he's been He's run all of 1308 01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,240 Speaker 1: it in his coaching career, and I think that's an 1309 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:37,120 Speaker 1: undervalued resource on this staff now going forward. That could 1310 01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:42,280 Speaker 1: really give the Bills an answer to whatever a defense 1311 01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:47,000 Speaker 1: wants to throw at them in a given week. That's power. Yeah. Yeah, 1312 01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:52,880 Speaker 1: these guys, they will average over Wow, okay, you're going 1313 01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:57,639 Speaker 1: over thirty. I'm I'm going And they add Oj Howard, 1314 01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,960 Speaker 1: So now you've got you can go two tights whenever 1315 01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,040 Speaker 1: you want to go double tight dude, they got it. Yeah, 1316 01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:10,120 Speaker 1: they're going to I've never I mean this has been 1317 01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,679 Speaker 1: building for a couple of years now. How this offense 1318 01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,479 Speaker 1: has gone from when Josh got here where he went 1319 01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,720 Speaker 1: six and ten I think it was his first year 1320 01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:22,959 Speaker 1: eighteen Yeah, yeah, and now they keep adding more pieces, 1321 01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,120 Speaker 1: and when they got Staff a couple of years ago, 1322 01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,320 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, dude, I'm telling is And let's not 1323 01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:35,240 Speaker 1: forget about what's Crowder? Yeah, James, Yeah, I think I 1324 01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,479 Speaker 1: think he's better after the catching than Beasley. And then 1325 01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,840 Speaker 1: you'll get yeah, he'll get yeah yours after the catch 1326 01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,320 Speaker 1: and then m I mean he's not Andre, but I 1327 01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:50,360 Speaker 1: don't know how what's the guy we just signed. I 1328 01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,800 Speaker 1: don't know how much he has left, probably more in 1329 01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:57,320 Speaker 1: the pup return game, but still even just having that 1330 01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,240 Speaker 1: guy on the field, I mean it's I'm telling I'm 1331 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm excited about this. I could tell I'm really excited 1332 01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,640 Speaker 1: about this. Uh you know what if this could be 1333 01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:12,000 Speaker 1: our year? Okay, glad you brought up Crowder. I'm glad 1334 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,559 Speaker 1: you brought up Crowder because you know, before he came here, 1335 01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,439 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins was the best quarterback he's ever had when 1336 01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,080 Speaker 1: he was playing in Washington. Yeah, played with Alex Smith, 1337 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,600 Speaker 1: and he's playing with Josh still productive, he's playing with 1338 01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:27,160 Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Now, yeah, I mean I'm getting open because 1339 01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,439 Speaker 1: if I get open, I'm getting the football, that's right, 1340 01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,720 Speaker 1: And like you now, he's getting yards after the catch, 1341 01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,240 Speaker 1: he catches it, he could put another ten ten yards 1342 01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,680 Speaker 1: on the field. All right, well, Thurham, look, it was 1343 01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,240 Speaker 1: great to have you in here. It was good. But yeah, 1344 01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,559 Speaker 1: we're good. Man, he's stilled a half hour with you. 1345 01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:45,120 Speaker 1: I thought I was going to a a four hour You're 1346 01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,040 Speaker 1: you're broadcasting gold. Okay, Man, you know, I mean you 1347 01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,519 Speaker 1: can I've got one more. He can stay, we can 1348 01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,439 Speaker 1: get hang out. We gotta take a break though, we 1349 01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,280 Speaker 1: got we gotta pay some bills. We gotta pay some bills. 1350 01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:56,800 Speaker 1: Let us take a break here, but we'll have more 1351 01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,880 Speaker 1: with Thermot the Hall of Famer coming up next year 1352 01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,160 Speaker 1: on One Bills Live presented Collid of Health. It's Buffalo 1353 01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:16,320 Speaker 1: Bills Radio. All right, welcome back to One Bills Live. 1354 01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,800 Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Josh Reed filling in for Steve, and the 1355 01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,680 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Thurman Thomas, who just can't get enough 1356 01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:26,439 Speaker 1: of us, apparently. But Josh had a question for Thurman, 1357 01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:30,639 Speaker 1: and I'm interested to hear the answer to this as well. Okay, alright, Thurm. 1358 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,400 Speaker 1: If you're the gate keeper of the running Back Hall 1359 01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:37,600 Speaker 1: of Fame, you know there are two guys that have 1360 01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,920 Speaker 1: had stellar careers that are at the end in consideration 1361 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:47,640 Speaker 1: there'll be a strong consideration Frank Gore or Lashawn McCoy. 1362 01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,000 Speaker 1: You get a chance to open the gate for one 1363 01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,840 Speaker 1: of these guys into Canton, Is there one over the other? Okay, 1364 01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:58,599 Speaker 1: before I answered that question, um, going back to where 1365 01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:05,880 Speaker 1: we started, the Thurman Thomas Family Foundation dot org. Okay, 1366 01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:13,680 Speaker 1: Thurman Thomas Family Foundation dot Org. And I say you 1367 01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,360 Speaker 1: go with Frank Gore. Yeah, that's what we talked about. 1368 01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:20,080 Speaker 1: He's third all times, third all time with sixteen thousand 1369 01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:25,360 Speaker 1: yards coming off some horrific knee injuries at the University 1370 01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:30,680 Speaker 1: of Miami, and everything that this guy had did was 1371 01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:37,679 Speaker 1: between the guards runner. Yeah, and hey, look, I love Leshawe. 1372 01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:41,439 Speaker 1: I think he's great. I think he's great when he 1373 01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,840 Speaker 1: was here Philadelphia, and I know I see him on 1374 01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:48,840 Speaker 1: television a lot. Now see his Twitter's Instagram and it's 1375 01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:55,160 Speaker 1: Lashawn five six Pro Bowls, two times Super Bowl champion. 1376 01:17:55,240 --> 01:18:02,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, you only got two plays, but okay, and hey, hey, 1377 01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:07,600 Speaker 1: if I wouldn't right right plays, right time, yeah, I'm 1378 01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:14,680 Speaker 1: putting that on. But we're right now with those two guys. 1379 01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,679 Speaker 1: To your point, I've known Leshawn since high school. There's 1380 01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:22,599 Speaker 1: no bigger fan of Leshawn and you know he doesn't. 1381 01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,920 Speaker 1: He is a fan of he doesn't need a promoter. No, 1382 01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:31,080 Speaker 1: he is not. I'm fascinated, Like, first of all, sixteen 1383 01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:35,080 Speaker 1: thousand yards on the nose in sixteen seasons, so he 1384 01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:38,479 Speaker 1: averaged a thousand rushing yards in his career per season. 1385 01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:44,400 Speaker 1: And he's also fifteen yards shy of twenty thousand total 1386 01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:49,200 Speaker 1: scrimmage yards nineteen thousand, nine hundred eighty five. Do you 1387 01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:53,280 Speaker 1: think therm that he could be first ballot because there 1388 01:18:53,360 --> 01:19:01,040 Speaker 1: is differing viewpoints on longevity. Some people respect it, especially 1389 01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:05,640 Speaker 1: at a punishing position like running back sixteen years, or 1390 01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,479 Speaker 1: do you think the longevity in the minds of some 1391 01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,200 Speaker 1: hurts him where they say, and believe me, I would 1392 01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,680 Speaker 1: never scoff at anybody that plays sixteen years in the 1393 01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,840 Speaker 1: NFL at any position, let alone running back. But somebody said, well, 1394 01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:22,200 Speaker 1: of course he got sixteen thousand yards. He played sixteen years. 1395 01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:26,240 Speaker 1: Like to me, that's an idiotic argument number one. But 1396 01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:30,200 Speaker 1: so tell me the chances you think of being first 1397 01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:34,640 Speaker 1: ballot with those numbers. I think with his numbers, I 1398 01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:42,160 Speaker 1: think is in Lisa the third old time, third Old Times, 1399 01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:45,400 Speaker 1: Emmitt and Walter. That's it. That is it. That's it, 1400 01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:49,599 Speaker 1: Emmett and Walter and who by the way, we just 1401 01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:54,360 Speaker 1: mentioned two guys by their first name, right right, yeah, yeah, 1402 01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:58,960 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And Walter, Yeah, no, I make people 1403 01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:03,760 Speaker 1: you could do that. I definitely think that, um, you know, 1404 01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,400 Speaker 1: who's who's it going to be coming up with in 1405 01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:10,280 Speaker 1: five years. That also plays another role in because you 1406 01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,160 Speaker 1: probably have some receivers that might be still there too. 1407 01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:16,960 Speaker 1: I mean it took undrating, right, I mean, Teos should 1408 01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,880 Speaker 1: have been a first ballot, But at running back. The 1409 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:21,680 Speaker 1: only guy who I think is gonna come within a 1410 01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,200 Speaker 1: sniff at him is Adrian Peterson. And he's probably done now. 1411 01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,559 Speaker 1: And I think he's fourteen and change. Yeah, I don't 1412 01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,160 Speaker 1: think he's hit fifteen yet, so he ain't getting there. No, 1413 01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,600 Speaker 1: he's not getting there. But another guy right there, I 1414 01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:36,280 Speaker 1: mean I think he's the first ballot. Well, I see. 1415 01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:39,639 Speaker 1: To me, I think Adrian Peterson is a definite first ballot. 1416 01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:46,600 Speaker 1: He's a freak, especially Minnesota anything. Yeah, he was. He 1417 01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,480 Speaker 1: won the MVP. Then he willed them to the playoffs. 1418 01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:51,960 Speaker 1: Right that year he ran for two thousand yards and 1419 01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,040 Speaker 1: he got MVP that and there's two thousand and twelve, 1420 01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,080 Speaker 1: I want to say, was the year he he was 1421 01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:59,640 Speaker 1: a freak show. Yeah when six three humans with that 1422 01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,479 Speaker 1: kind of build should not run for three, but he did. 1423 01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,920 Speaker 1: He did, And when you started him all day. Yeah, 1424 01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,479 Speaker 1: and when you start stacking these guys up against each other, 1425 01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:10,240 Speaker 1: you got to kind of look at I know you 1426 01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:13,200 Speaker 1: mentioned longevity and everything, but you look at Okay, Yeah, 1427 01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,360 Speaker 1: was Frank Gore ever the best running back in the 1428 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,120 Speaker 1: NFL during a particular year? He had that one year 1429 01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,479 Speaker 1: where I want to say ran for like what was it, 1430 01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,560 Speaker 1: fourteen hundred or sixteen hundred? That one, I'll find it. 1431 01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:31,599 Speaker 1: But Adrian Peterson, well, there is no doubt there years 1432 01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:35,719 Speaker 1: You're right, for Adrian Peterson was the best running backs 1433 01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,120 Speaker 1: in the entire NFL. Al Right, so let me throw 1434 01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:42,880 Speaker 1: this at that argument. Then Frank Gore, at any year 1435 01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:46,720 Speaker 1: in his career was not viewed as a top three 1436 01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,760 Speaker 1: running back in this league. And yet still true he 1437 01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:53,680 Speaker 1: finishes with sixteen thousand yards? True? Does that enhance his 1438 01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,360 Speaker 1: value as a whole of samer? Will you talk about 1439 01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:59,920 Speaker 1: the top running backs during no sixteen years? He was 1440 01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,400 Speaker 1: wasn't really one of them. He wasn't really one of them. 1441 01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:05,439 Speaker 1: That was, so does that help his cause or hurt 1442 01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:07,880 Speaker 1: his car? Oh? Yeah, I would say that would hurt. 1443 01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,519 Speaker 1: That would help his cause. Yeah, with what he ended 1444 01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,599 Speaker 1: up with because of consistency. Yeah, looking at a guy 1445 01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,160 Speaker 1: who was just there every single every single year. His 1446 01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:18,519 Speaker 1: best year was a second year, but always top ten, 1447 01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,320 Speaker 1: always so second year in the league. This was the 1448 01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,320 Speaker 1: year I was thinking about sixteen hundred ninety five rushing 1449 01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:28,200 Speaker 1: yards and he averaged five point four a carry that year, 1450 01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:33,040 Speaker 1: eight touchdowns, eight touchdowns, and he also had sixty one receptions, 1451 01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:35,559 Speaker 1: so he had twenty one hundred and eighty total yards 1452 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,760 Speaker 1: from scrimmage that year, which I know, you know a 1453 01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,000 Speaker 1: thing or two of best man's work right there. That's 1454 01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,960 Speaker 1: well you would know because you've done that a man's 1455 01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,400 Speaker 1: work right there. But like you met your something at 1456 01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:48,800 Speaker 1: the break. And I've been saying it for years, I 1457 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:52,880 Speaker 1: think Ricky Waters should Yeah, the conversation definitely should be 1458 01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,719 Speaker 1: in the conversation. Only guy over twelve thousand career rushing 1459 01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,519 Speaker 1: yards not not in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, So 1460 01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,120 Speaker 1: I mean that should be like, shouldn't there be a 1461 01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:05,480 Speaker 1: benchmark for that? Like I realized there are different circumstances 1462 01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:10,040 Speaker 1: for every candidacy that goes before the Hall of Fame selectors. 1463 01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,640 Speaker 1: But you know, like three thousand hits is for baseball, 1464 01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,479 Speaker 1: there are five hundred home runs. I mean you get 1465 01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,679 Speaker 1: to twelve thousand rushing yards. I mean you could speak 1466 01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,720 Speaker 1: to a better anybody like it ain't easy to get 1467 01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:27,280 Speaker 1: and I don't see like any it's harder now it's everybody. 1468 01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,880 Speaker 1: Everybody's throwing the football now. So I think you do 1469 01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:34,280 Speaker 1: appreciate those guys who were playing back then, where you know, 1470 01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,920 Speaker 1: they were getting fifteen to twenty to twenty five carries 1471 01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:41,280 Speaker 1: a game, as to now you might have three running 1472 01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,320 Speaker 1: backs that touch the ball and they get fifteen cars. 1473 01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,840 Speaker 1: So I think you appreciate more what the guys did 1474 01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,200 Speaker 1: back then because, like I said, it was it was 1475 01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,120 Speaker 1: kind of balanced back then. You know, we were always 1476 01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:58,280 Speaker 1: like one forty nine here. Now it's it's eight twenty 1477 01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:01,320 Speaker 1: on something. Here's yeah now mccare McCoy is an interesting 1478 01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:04,760 Speaker 1: case that Josh brings up because he only got to 1479 01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:08,559 Speaker 1: eleven thousand. He didn't get to that quote unquote magic number. 1480 01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:13,280 Speaker 1: Was knew. We all knew the te we all saw 1481 01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:18,400 Speaker 1: the advertising. Yeah, he didn't get he didn't get to 1482 01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:24,639 Speaker 1: twelve thousand? So does he still I mean I could 1483 01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,280 Speaker 1: see him making a finalist list, but does he get in? 1484 01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:29,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. But then you have to factor in 1485 01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,280 Speaker 1: the era in which he played. This was when we 1486 01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:38,560 Speaker 1: started seeing the league moving to becoming a true passing league. 1487 01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,439 Speaker 1: Is he the first of a generation of backs that 1488 01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,240 Speaker 1: aren't even going to get a sniff of twelve thousand 1489 01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:48,840 Speaker 1: rushing yards anymore? And then what? So? Then the question 1490 01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:52,320 Speaker 1: becomes what becomes the new measuring stick for running backs? 1491 01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:56,200 Speaker 1: Is the total yards from scrimmage? Well, we're not, Well, 1492 01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:59,360 Speaker 1: that's what I mean. So what's so what's the benchmark now? 1493 01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,240 Speaker 1: If it's not twelve thousand rushing yards because nobody's getting 1494 01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:06,360 Speaker 1: anywhere near it? Is it? Is it fifteen thousand total 1495 01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:10,120 Speaker 1: yards from scrimmage? Because he's got that exactly seven thousand rushing, 1496 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,799 Speaker 1: seven thousand receiving. Yeah, I mean he's got exactly fifteen 1497 01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,960 Speaker 1: thousand total yards from scrimmage? Lashawan does is that the 1498 01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:18,880 Speaker 1: new benchmark? Like? What is going to be the new 1499 01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:22,519 Speaker 1: standard to determine what a Hall of Fame running back is? 1500 01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,000 Speaker 1: When you're throwing the ball as much as yard? Well, 1501 01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,880 Speaker 1: they are already kind of putting putting it out there 1502 01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:31,560 Speaker 1: because none I'm being drafted in the first round anymore. Well, yeah, 1503 01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:35,559 Speaker 1: so that's kind of I just I'm very curious to 1504 01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,640 Speaker 1: see where the Hall of Fame selectors go in deciding 1505 01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:41,320 Speaker 1: how do you determine what a Hall of Fame running 1506 01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,640 Speaker 1: back is. I mean, the guys that win championships and 1507 01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:45,880 Speaker 1: all that, as long as they have good production, they'll 1508 01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,800 Speaker 1: sail in there, like most people that have won championships do. 1509 01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:53,880 Speaker 1: But shure of that, It's like, how do you figure 1510 01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:57,280 Speaker 1: that out? It's gonna be a new criteria very soon. Well, 1511 01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,800 Speaker 1: I know one criteria they need to change. Maybe puts 1512 01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:06,879 Speaker 1: the Tasker in the day. I know that that that 1513 01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:09,519 Speaker 1: go with that mention and my buddy Steve task and 1514 01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:14,640 Speaker 1: getting in the Hall of Kansas. I was watching, I 1515 01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,160 Speaker 1: was watching it so close. Ye this year they would 1516 01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:21,519 Speaker 1: have put Devin Hester in, I would have been totally bad. Yeah, 1517 01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:25,080 Speaker 1: totally upset. Yeah, I mean I'm already upset that he's 1518 01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:28,160 Speaker 1: not in anyway. And I was playing golf the other 1519 01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:30,920 Speaker 1: day with somebody in the Tasker's name came muck because 1520 01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,880 Speaker 1: somebody was saying, how in the heck is young Stanner 1521 01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,639 Speaker 1: route in the Hall of Fame, Morton Anderson. They saw 1522 01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:38,599 Speaker 1: the name of all these kickers, and I'm like your 1523 01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:43,080 Speaker 1: blood pressure, But that's it. It's those two guys and 1524 01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:46,920 Speaker 1: Ray Gray. That's it, right, Come on, and I would 1525 01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:50,280 Speaker 1: have a problem too if Hester goes in before Steve 1526 01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,360 Speaker 1: Um and I looked, I know Hester's got the all 1527 01:26:53,400 --> 01:27:01,599 Speaker 1: time record eighteen returns for touchdowns, dynamic game changing return man. Absolutely, Um. 1528 01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:04,640 Speaker 1: You could make the same argument for Steve that he 1529 01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:11,559 Speaker 1: changed the way coaches coached, schemed and game plan special 1530 01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:16,040 Speaker 1: teams him. He's the reason that happened when we're putting 1531 01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,679 Speaker 1: the ball or doing anything like that. Watch that guy 1532 01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:23,280 Speaker 1: right there, were telling him right there, and they say, 1533 01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:27,880 Speaker 1: look where number eighty nine is right there? You right 1534 01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,599 Speaker 1: here right now? All right, Well, we've set our piece there. 1535 01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,320 Speaker 1: We have to take a break, but when we come back, 1536 01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:33,960 Speaker 1: we close things up here with the Hall of Famer 1537 01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:36,120 Speaker 1: Thrum and Thomas next on one Bill's Live, stay tuned. 1538 01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:50,720 Speaker 1: All right, So Thurm, I'm not I don't mean to 1539 01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:52,000 Speaker 1: put you on the spot. We don't have time to 1540 01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:54,200 Speaker 1: take the call. But Joe and Houston wants to know 1541 01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:58,200 Speaker 1: what made you fall in love with Buffalo because he's 1542 01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:01,040 Speaker 1: from Houston just like you, and he wants Oh Joe, 1543 01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:06,040 Speaker 1: Joe and Houston your wife, my wife, give you a choice. No, 1544 01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:09,360 Speaker 1: I'm from here. You love it here. Okay, Hey, that's 1545 01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:13,040 Speaker 1: why I'm here. That's why I'm here. And Joe, Well, 1546 01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,400 Speaker 1: there you go, Joe. We hope that helped answer the question. 1547 01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:18,760 Speaker 1: It's pretty straightforward. If you, Joe, if you run into 1548 01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,320 Speaker 1: somebody from Buffalo, look out, baby, you're gonna be moving here. 1549 01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:25,280 Speaker 1: Yeah that's good. Hey, look, I mean it's great here. 1550 01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:28,000 Speaker 1: I don't mind keeping it our little secret. Anyway. I 1551 01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:31,120 Speaker 1: did see that Buffalo didn't make the list again for 1552 01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:36,799 Speaker 1: um Best places to live in the United States. UM 1553 01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,519 Speaker 1: prefer that that's not publicized. It's right, you kind of 1554 01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:41,240 Speaker 1: like our own little thing we got here, right, I 1555 01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:44,280 Speaker 1: mean the winners are long, but between now and September, 1556 01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:47,599 Speaker 1: it's tough to beautiful to be tough to beat for sure. Well, 1557 01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, besides my wife. The food is great here. 1558 01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:54,800 Speaker 1: I mean the food is great. I mean you get 1559 01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,680 Speaker 1: to go to the Bills game. I mean, this is 1560 01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:00,000 Speaker 1: the place where I became a huge Sabers fan. Yeah, 1561 01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:03,519 Speaker 1: you know, so there's no fan base that loves there, No, no, 1562 01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:07,599 Speaker 1: I mean throughout those seventeen years man, the drought, people 1563 01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:12,720 Speaker 1: were still aloud, wearing new bills, stuff, happy win, a 1564 01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:15,960 Speaker 1: loss or whatever. They were enjoying. Every been all right there. 1565 01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:18,519 Speaker 1: It's been fun for this hour. Unfortunately we're out of time, 1566 01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:20,439 Speaker 1: so thanks for stopping by. It was always good to 1567 01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:22,439 Speaker 1: see it. Josh, thanks for your help today, big help. 1568 01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:30,520 Speaker 1: We will see tomorrow one