WEBVTT - #351 - Marcellus Wiley 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:00.760 What's up, y'all. 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:04.200 It's your boy Marcello's whiley dad dude, Yes, sir, y'all 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:06.880 know where I'm at. Check out my boy, Bootleg Cav 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:08.240 on this podcast. 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:17.920 It's the Bootleg cav Podcast. Special guests in here, NFL Legend, 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:22.280 TV Legend got a great YouTube channel right now, that 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:26.120 part Marcellus Wiley is here. Yeah, what do it do, baby, buddy? 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:27.880 Good to see you. Oh, thanks for the free drink 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.520 of course, a hit you're pulling up, man, Yeah, it's 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:33.440 crazy because I've been watching you for so long on 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:37.720 TV man, like I'm like a hardcore sports just maniac. 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.920 And between your NFL career that your TV career, which 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:44.600 is almost as legendary as your NFL career, Not a 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:49.040 lot of people have double digit like real runs on TV, 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.040 you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And when I think 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.040 of like everything you did at ESPN and then helping 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:58.720 build FS one into what it is today, like what's 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:00.680 going on right now because you're obviously not on TV 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.920 right now, No, not right now and maybe not right 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.080 ever right now because why I mean yeah, I mean 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:08.800 see like your tube channel's going well and you can 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:09.800 say whatever you want. 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.960 Yeah, it's a whole different animal now when you talk 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.560 about sports media, but not to get that deep into it, 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:20.840 I guess to take you back, I was going to 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:24.039 be a school teacher and I just kept getting bigger, faster, stronger, 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.360 end up being a football player. But my heart and 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.680 my mind has always been locked in and helping others 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.679 forking road kids because I was that kid growing up, 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.200 you know, And I didn't think I was special, and 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.880 I don't think in those terms that you got to 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:41.040 be special to have success. It's just a science to 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:42.920 life that you got to make sure that you buy 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:48.000 into and follow your passions and properly enhance your talents 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.640 and things go well for you. And that could look 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:52.760 a lot of different ways. For me, it was going 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.040 to be working at LA Unified in the ninth grade somewhere. 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:58.240 Man's that's all I needed. 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.760 But things took different turns and detours, and you know, 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:06.520 happy with my journey, you fast forward from there. So 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:08.240 I had this moment where I'm getting recruited by all 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:09.400 these schools and everybody's. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:10.440 Oh, where you going. Where'd you go to a high 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.760 school in Compton? No, I didn't go to studio or 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:14.400 where you where're you going to school at because you 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:15.080 grew up in Compton. 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.000 Yeah, so I'm from Compton, born, raised there till like 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.679 age five, age six. Then we move off Slawson and 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:24.400 Greener Pastors and that turned into South Central. So my 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.799 family just kept going to other places. My grandmother from 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:32.640 wats to Compton, mother Compton South Central. I went to 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.560 Westchester for two years Saint Monica's. Had to get up 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.000 super early five in the morning to ride with my 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:41.280 mom all the way out to Santa Monica. So I 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.160 was gonna be this school teacher man. And then all 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.560 of a sudden, I'm getting recruited by all these schools 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.399 and it's for football and just growing up the way 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.680 I grew up, and knowing I've seen more talented guys 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:55.200 than me, knowing kind of the hotels that go on, 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:57.119 you know this God didn't make it all. This guy 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.840 came back with an excuse. So this guy said, coach tripping. 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:02.639 I just kept hearing it and I decided to go 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:05.480 to Columbia. So I go to Ivy League school and 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:07.800 it was a roll of the dice. People are like, oh, damn, 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:09.399 you ain't gonna go to the NFL. From the Ivy 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.080 League school, and I was like, all right, I'm not 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.320 the type that cares what people say good or bad. 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.560 I'm like more I add up those with me and 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.440 not against me. So then you you fast forward. I 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.720 do get drafted. I get drafted second round. I played 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.320 ten years and then I had that moment again where 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.240 I was like, I'm a broadcast. Now people think about 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:30.280 it in different terms than they did back then two 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:31.880 thousand and six, two thousand and seven, if you were 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:35.160 a broadcaster, there was like a stigma almost like damn, 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:37.480 you just finished playing ball and you're gonna spend all 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.560 your money. You got to go work again, right, A 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.520 little of that magic. Johnson certainly helped, and a couple 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.800 other people that you Jalen Rose was around back then, 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.640 you know Jon Rose. Yeah, so it was kind of 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.880 like weird og John Sally on the Best dam Sport? 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:51.640 Remember that. 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.680 Yes, So I used to go and he didn't help 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.040 the narrative because people were like, oh, John Sally, he 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:58.160 was kind of like bouncing. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:03:59.280 Around right right, right, He wasn't the best. 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:00.560 Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:02.720 And it was a weird place. And I'm not slighting anybody. 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.480 I'm just telling you how the landscape was and it 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.520 was real resistance. Like I was telling my boys in 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.880 the locker room in Jacksonville, Dog, I'm about to go 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.600 broadcast for what You're supposed to go somewhere and mess 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.320 with girls and get fat and golf. 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:17.520 And I was like, dog, I can't do that. 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.200 So I rolled the dice there and then everything took 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:25.320 off from there, working at NFL Network, ESPN, Fox, and 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:29.680 I just right now I'm in my Columbia slash broadcasting 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.080 slash independent world now where you got to roll the 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:34.800 dice and bet on yourself because I just see how 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:36.320 everything's getting fractured right now. 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.880 Yeah. No, I think that that's like if anything, even 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.240 like me because I traditionally worked and I'm still on 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.440 the radio every night here in La, but I do 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.080 it my own way. They contract my show. I'm syndicated, 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.599 so I don't record my show from wherever I'm at. 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.279 But it's like I feel like nowadays, if you're going 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.440 to be a part of media or create content like that, 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.719 as long as you're good and you're and people are interested, Yeah, 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:02.960 like I feel like you kind of kind of do 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:04.960 what you're doing. Do what I'm doing. It's like build 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:05.799 your own platform. 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:07.760 Yeah, man, And I'm late to the game, even though 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.000 some people are saying I'm still early, because. 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:11.440 I mean you're relatively early. You look at guys like 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.240 Pat McAfee was like the guy you know and like 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.279 the barstool guys, but like you're pretty early. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.320 Yeah, I mean in terms of like platform, like you know, 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:24.240 McAfee undertended consequences, like he wanted to work at ESPN, 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.480 et cetera. Didn't get the opportunity, thank god, right, and 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.279 so he had to you know, he was forced to 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:29.960 do it his way. 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.200 Yeah. I wasn't in that position. I'm not in that 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:33.120 position now, but. 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.200 I just saw the rewards, not only in terms of 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.640 on the extremes the success like you know him or 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.520 Joe Rogan or the Paul Brothers like just damn, but 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.640 more than that, they were doing it their way. They're 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.960 authentic and from what I was doing, and I see 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:52.359 it happening now with Stephen A. 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:52.880 Smith. 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:57.080 When you do network TV, no matter how real you are, 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.440 it's coming off fake, Like people ain't feel you like 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:01.520 you think they're feeling you. 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:05.560 Yeah, and you still can't be one hundred percent honest, right, 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.120 you have to still be very aware of Yeah, and. 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.760 It's not just corporate sponsors and partners. That's the lazy layer. 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.040 Everyone thinks it's broud of that. Nah, it's because of 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.719 who you're working with. So you got teammates when you 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:21.680 do it that way, and your teammates to protect them 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.640 from looking bad or losing or them at times. You 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.279 you got to play this game where we can't go 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:28.839 all the way. 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:29.640 I can't. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.200 I can't disagree with you to the fullest like I 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.080 would in real life. Right, Like, dog, I don't believe 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.320 that that's bullshit, but you know, on the errors, like. 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.320 I can't say that, yeah, political, you got to be 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:39.760 for the sake of good TV. 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.080 You gotta you know, yeah, you gotta let them represent 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:43.800 the other side, even though you're like, there's no other 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:44.520 side on this one. 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:45.000 Right. 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.800 So I got a little fatigue to that little law 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:51.799 of association because if you let stuff live, then your brand, 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:56.480 how people really process you becomes this hybrid of who 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.719 that is, who that is, who you are, and it's 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.040 like it's just too much gumbo. And I was like, damn, 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.880 I'm not as authentic in reception as I thought I 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.159 would be. At this point in my career, like forty 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.120 eight years old, been doing this twenty almost thirty years, 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:15.680 and cats is still not understanding purely what I'm about. 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:17.760 They were like, Oh, I like you from Sports Nation. 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.120 You were funny, but then on FS one, y'all were 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.560 too deep, and I'm like, nog, I'm funny and deep. 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.720 What the hell you like? They try to splice you up. 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.720 Yeah, So I got a little fatigue that at the 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:31.120 Law of Association. I would say the same thing at ESPN, 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.800 the same exact thing at Fox, and one of them 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.239 was like whatever, and the other one's like, oh you sellout? 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:37.880 Are you mean? 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:39.320 Are you changed? Are you different? 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.440 So I just kind of got tired of being washed 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.040 away with all that. I was going to say, have 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:47.800 you watched because I just saw Stephen a reply to 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.280 Dan Levatar. I saw that. I saw that and he's 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.320 cutsing and shit, he's going in. I was like, oh shit, 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.760 I was like steering a smith is He's unraveled. I 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:58.760 love it, but he wouldn't be able to do that 0:07:58.840 --> 0:07:59.280 on TV. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.680 My point, man, it's a whole different animal. So you know, 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:04.920 you kind of get to just be undressed, you know, 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:08.240 you get to walk around the house baby boys, right 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.200 right right right, yeah, most Breakfast, Like that's a podcast 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:11.440 to me. 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.800 And I was getting jealous when I was at Fox. 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:18.880 No, Lie, I'm watching Jason Whitlock, who left regardless of 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:19.480 the content. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:20.960 I just like that, you know. But he has his 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.080 own his thing, He's got his him. Yeah. And I 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:24.880 was like damn. 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:26.920 And I was watching all these other cats out here, 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.960 YouTubers moving in my neighborhood, and I'm like, damn, it 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.560 took me ten years of football, twenty years of broadcast, 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:34.800 and these suckers and moving in next door. 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.520 I was like, Yo, the game changing for sure? 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.040 When am I gonna bet on myself at forty eight 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.280 or fifty two? When I be a fat and fool again? 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.040 And then you know it was a hybrid. You know, 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:48.960 Fox and I discussed a couple of hybrid situations. But 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.760 I'm so focused on my family, like to a point 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.720 where I don't like to travel at all, and people like, damn, 0:08:57.760 --> 0:08:58.839 you want to go here, go? I don't want to 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.280 go on the boys strips and all did all that place. 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.080 You've already done it all yeah and didn't get caught. 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.440 So I'm like, I'm living. I want to be with 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.160 my kids. I want to help raise them. I don't 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.440 want to provide for them, right, But I'm distant in that. 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.600 Yeah, because I feel like when you're a certain level 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.400 of success, that era has to kind of happen. Right. 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:20.080 It's very rare that you can be super present and 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.160 still but like, I feel like once you hit that 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:24.920 comfort area where you're like, hey, like now I can 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.720 really apply myself to being at home and yeah, because 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:29.880 I did all the tough work twenty years ago, ten 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.560 years ago, except I built it. You mentioned Jason Whitlock. Huh. 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.120 He obviously another guy who has had a very long 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.320 career on TV. He is also a very polarizing film 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:44.120 time major. You guys did speak for yourself? Yep, yep, 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.320 which I believe that was your first You guys started 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:48.199 that show together. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.480 Nah, Colin Coward and Jason Whitlock started it was. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.080 That's right, it was Colin and him. Yeah, so you 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.360 came in once Colin went and just focused in on 0:09:56.400 --> 0:10:01.199 the radio rast TV. What was it like working with him? 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:06.160 Because he has a lot of very interesting opinions. A 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.200 lot of people say he's kind of like Uncle Ruckus. 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:13.000 The memes I've seen the memes man, you know, like 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:14.080 he's seen him too. 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.120 Wilock is Whitlock. One thing about him. 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.680 You can say whatever he is about what he believes 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:22.800 and what he says. 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:24.400 And that's what I like. Now, that doesn't mean he 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:25.360 lives out all of that. 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:25.920 I'm saying. 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:31.680 His opinion is gonna be unwavering unless challenged by something greater. 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:33.079 And I love that. 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.240 I don't care how you get up to the top 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.160 of your mountain, man, there's so many different paths. I'm 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.319 not here to judge in that respect, but be you. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:42.959 That's what I love the most about him. Now, what's 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.200 tough for being with Wilock is he's always gonna throw 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.880 some extra hot sauce on no matter what he says. 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:52.000 It could be the most simple of takes. He's gonna 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.520 put some spice on it. And at times I feel 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.400 that's unnecessary, but that's how he serves it. So you 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:59.160 got to either eat it or you're gonna be mad 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:03.160 at it, you know. And I remember when he first 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.559 I worked with him at ESPN plan at times, and 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.439 then he started coming. 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:08.880 Over the crib. 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.120 He was like, Yo, your contract up, you need to 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.080 come over here. Got this family style show. We're gonna 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.880 do kind of like the Cosby Show for sports and 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.560 you know, you're such a great father and what you represent, 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:22.320 You're such a good dude. And he was like, I 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.000 could let you have the platform. 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:23.960 To do that. 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.360 Now I'm coming off Sports Nation, which was which was 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:28.679 great shot Michelle Beadle. 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.520 Shout out Michelle Beatle, Max Kellerman, Christ Thompson. There's a 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:36.040 great show man, Kerry Champion, LZ Grandison. And that was 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.160 part of the point. I could name too many damn 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.920 co hosts. So here I go again. I'm going this way. 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.480 I'm going this way. I got so many teammates, couldn't 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:47.600 build up like brand chemistry. But I loved it all. 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.280 I loved the experience. And you know, our show was 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:50.400 light hearted. 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:51.880 Praying it out. It great. It was a great show. 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:53.880 Oh yeah, so we had a ball. But then he 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.160 started talking to me about this. I was like, it'd 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.320 be probably good right now to change it up, so 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.400 I'll go over And loved my experience over there to 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:02.920 the fullest. 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.120 Only two things that really. 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:09.199 Change maybe three things that changed my whole complexion of 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:12.400 how that experience was going was one the pandemic when 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.679 the pandemic hit. You know, everybody got in they feelings, 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.400 everybody starts separat separating, getting polarized. 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.080 And even more than before, more than before. 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.480 Right, So I'm like, damn, I'm just trying to take 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.920 care of the kids, make sure they ain't on the iPod. 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.320 And I passed twenty five hours a day, you know, 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.280 way too much. And that was part one. Part two 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.840 was Whitlock left, you know, kind of in the middle 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:36.599 of the night, even though I had heads up, I 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:40.079 knew people that knew his situation a little disturbed. 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.199 He didn't tell me straight up because then if he 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:44.319 convinced you to come over right, right. 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.480 So if anything is percolating, you're supposed to let me know. 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:50.800 Max Killerman did that with first take day one. He 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.360 was like, hey, dog, what you think I'm thinking this. 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.240 Let's talk through it. Not like I got the overall 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:57.040 decision making it. 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.439 Yeah, but it's a courtesy and. 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:00.920 I ain't get that with like I had to know 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:02.480 it and then just had to see him every day. 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:04.680 Then finally he dipped and I was like, oh, that's 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.280 that was real. The all good, But he left and 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.800 that kind of left the imprint on me, like, all right, 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.880 this thing ain't like the team you think this is, 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.040 which I kind of knew already, but it got hit 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.120 in the face again. And the last thing was my 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.960 agent left. My agent was a superagent too. Still my 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:25.840 homie still the man Nick Kahn who went to WWE. 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:28.720 Now he runs WWE. 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:30.319 And he basically told me on the way out, he 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:32.120 was like, look, he had a ton of clients. He 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.040 was like, look, man, every now and then, you got 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:35.880 a swing for the fences. And he's like, I've been 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:39.960 hitting a lot of bass hits, doubles, doubles inside the park. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.760 Home run right, right, right right, like he was killing it. 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.040 No one thought he probably from the outside shit left, 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:48.360 but now he's running WWE. 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.200 A billion dollar company. Thank you that part. 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:52.439 So you know, he was just like, you got a 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.080 swing for the fences and that was a seed that 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:58.840 was planet that didn't blossom until my contract was up. 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.199 And I was like, damn, I'm just feeling all that. 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:05.240 So long story short, working with Whitlock, it was great. 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.520 It was the challenge was not us doing the show, 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:13.280 it was people hear him and didn't hear me. So 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.760 you know, we do a segment even though I'm challenging 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.839 them or supporting them. They didn't hear me, they heard 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.000 Whitlock because he got the spicier of the takes. I'm 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.200 not a debater, I'm a discusser. I'll talk long, I'll 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:26.200 talk strong. 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.840 He's going to say the crazy highlight the stuff that 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.640 gets clipped and puts on Twitter and. 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.960 Write, and that was challenging because that's not who I am. 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.200 I'm not based like that. I'm listening to all perspectives 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.800 to grow a new perspective. And I just got a 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.600 little fatigue to that. But I still was going to 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.200 roll with it because I really cared about the show 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:46.480 and I really liked what we were doing. 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.080 Do you feel like at times like would you ever 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:54.080 run into any issues when he would take a position 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.560 on something, Oh yeah, a ton and you're on the 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.640 show with them, so do you get associated with that 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.240 or are they're like, yo, fam, what are you doing? Like, yeah, 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.840 he was saying some of the Kaepernick shit. I don't 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:06.280 know if that timeline lines up to speak for yourself, 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:07.680 but just some of the things he was saying about 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.640 cap and Ship where I was just like yeah, yeah, 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.080 you know, it was just like a little like off putting. 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:17.280 I guess to hear that on like you know, I again, 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:21.480 even like you know, we talk about him leaving and 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.360 doing his own thing, but hearing that on like ESPN 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.440 or Fox at the time, right, it was kind of 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:26.760 crazy some of the things he was saying. 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:31.960 Yeah, and you know, without particulars like Kaepernick was a 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.440 hot button issue. I didn't mind that because you know, 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.880 I don't even know how you say this properly, but 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.680 I had my issues with Kaepernick as well. 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.000 But no, I think I think I think as the 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.400 way you say, well, I think as it kind of 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:48.320 the cap thing, I think as it wavered and it 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.600 felt like he really had real opportunities. I think that 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.560 that Atlanta thing that happened where he had the workouts, yeah, 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.200 and he wanted to do the workout his way. It 0:15:58.280 --> 0:15:59.720 was like, brother, they're giving you the yo. 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.440 I mean, people have come up to me and literally said, 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.160 can I talk to you for second? I'm sorry, I apologize. 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.240 I don't even know these cats. I thought you were 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.400 a sellout. I thought you were against us and all that, 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.000 and I was like, dog, I don't even believe in all. 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:15.200 That stuff you're talking about. 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.920 I just tell you what I see from my perspective 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.760 and my experiences on any situation. I knew Kaepernick before 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.120 all that, I haven't talked to him since, but I 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.360 saw the one eighty fine. 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:29.120 You know, I ain't the first, I guess. 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:32.560 For me, it was just like the demonization of someone 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:36.240 just kneeling to bring attention to something. Obviously you get 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:39.240 into three or four years later down the road, the 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.040 lawsued like he cashed out, you know what I'm saying, 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:43.480 and then he still had an opportunity to. 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.800 See that's the point though. This is the funny. I 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.280 always tell people I am not a hater. I just 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.640 tell the truth too early. And I said it way 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.000 like day one. I'm like, I could read this like 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:55.880 it's like if you take me to a workout and 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.760 show me some defensive ends, I need three reps. I 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:02.040 could tell you who this and who down here that fast. 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:06.440 So I read the situation accurately from that moment. Doesn't 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.000 mean he's not doing work. But you said it best. 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.840 He brought attention, but I don't think the attention was 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:14.919 going where everyone thought it was going. A lot of 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.160 it was coming back to be self serving. But he's 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:18.920 still doing the work. I ain't even mad at him, 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.040 but I was just like, Yo, this ain't gonna go 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.000 like y'all think it's going the way. And the first 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:28.000 play he could have had was challenged the NFL, not 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:32.040 be adversarial, but challenge the NFL to do exactly. 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.160 What he wanted. But what did he want? 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.359 He didn't know. That's why he didn't do any Q 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:36.879 and as he didn't go out there, he didn't do 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.240 a lot of interviews. They do any podcasts mean a lot? 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:43.320 You mean none? None. It was also took that money 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.640 and didn't say any I mean, I mean, we don't 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.800 know how much it was, right, no, but I'm sure 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:53.159