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Speaker 1: What's up, y'all.

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Speaker 2: It's your boy Marcello's whiley dad dude, Yes, sir, y'all

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Speaker 2: know where I'm at. Check out my boy, Bootleg Cav

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Speaker 2: on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's the Bootleg cav Podcast. Special guests in here, NFL Legend,

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Speaker 1: TV Legend got a great YouTube channel right now, that

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Speaker 1: part Marcellus Wiley is here. Yeah, what do it do, baby, buddy?

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Speaker 1: Good to see you. Oh, thanks for the free drink

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Speaker 1: of course, a hit you're pulling up, man, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: crazy because I've been watching you for so long on

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Speaker 1: TV man, like I'm like a hardcore sports just maniac.

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Speaker 1: And between your NFL career that your TV career, which

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Speaker 1: is almost as legendary as your NFL career, Not a

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Speaker 1: lot of people have double digit like real runs on TV,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And when I think

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Speaker 1: of like everything you did at ESPN and then helping

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Speaker 1: build FS one into what it is today, like what's

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Speaker 1: going on right now because you're obviously not on TV

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Speaker 1: right now, No, not right now and maybe not right

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Speaker 1: ever right now because why I mean yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: see like your tube channel's going well and you can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a whole different animal now when you talk

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Speaker 2: about sports media, but not to get that deep into it,

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Speaker 2: I guess to take you back, I was going to

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Speaker 2: be a school teacher and I just kept getting bigger, faster, stronger,

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Speaker 2: end up being a football player. But my heart and

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Speaker 2: forking road kids because I was that kid growing up,

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Speaker 2: you know, And I didn't think I was special, and

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Speaker 2: I don't think in those terms that you got to

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Speaker 2: be special to have success. It's just a science to

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Speaker 2: life that you got to make sure that you buy

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Speaker 2: into and follow your passions and properly enhance your talents

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Speaker 2: and things go well for you. And that could look

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Speaker 2: a lot of different ways. For me, it was going

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Speaker 2: to be working at LA Unified in the ninth grade somewhere.

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Speaker 3: Man's that's all I needed.

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Speaker 2: But things took different turns and detours, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I had this moment where I'm getting recruited by all

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Speaker 1: Oh, where you going. Where'd you go to a high

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Speaker 1: school in Compton? No, I didn't go to studio or

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm from Compton, born, raised there till like

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Speaker 2: you know this God didn't make it all. This guy

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Speaker 2: came back with an excuse. So this guy said, coach tripping.

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Speaker 2: I just kept hearing it and I decided to go

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Speaker 2: I'm like more I add up those with me and

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Speaker 2: Yes, So I used to go and he didn't help

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Speaker 2: And it was a weird place. And I'm not slighting anybody.

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Speaker 2: broadcast for what You're supposed to go somewhere and mess

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Speaker 1: And I was like, dog, I can't do that.

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Speaker 2: So I rolled the dice there and then everything took

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Speaker 2: I just right now I'm in my Columbia slash broadcasting

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think that that's like if anything, even

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Speaker 1: But it's like I feel like nowadays, if you're going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, And I'm late to the game, even though

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I wasn't in that position. I'm not in that

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Speaker 2: I just saw the rewards, not only in terms of

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Speaker 2: When you do network TV, no matter how real you are,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you still can't be one hundred percent honest, right,

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Speaker 2: It's not just corporate sponsors and partners. That's the lazy layer.

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Speaker 2: Everyone thinks it's broud of that. Nah, it's because of

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Speaker 2: you got to play this game where we can't go

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Speaker 2: I can't disagree with you to the fullest like I

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Speaker 2: You gotta you know, yeah, you gotta let them represent

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Speaker 2: So I got a little fatigue to that little law

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Speaker 1: They were like, Oh, I like you from Sports Nation.

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Speaker 2: You were funny, but then on FS one, y'all were

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Speaker 1: What the hell you like? They try to splice you up.

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Speaker 2: Law of Association. I would say the same thing at ESPN,

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Speaker 2: the same exact thing at Fox, and one of them

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Speaker 1: Are you mean?

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Speaker 3: Are you changed? Are you different?

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Speaker 1: So I just kind of got tired of being washed

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Speaker 2: My point, man, it's a whole different animal. So you know,

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Speaker 2: No, Lie, I'm watching Jason Whitlock, who left regardless of

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Speaker 1: I just like that, you know. But he has his

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Speaker 2: And I was watching all these other cats out here,

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Speaker 2: When am I gonna bet on myself at forty eight

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Speaker 2: And then you know it was a hybrid. You know,

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Speaker 2: Fox and I discussed a couple of hybrid situations. But

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Speaker 2: I'm so focused on my family, like to a point

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Speaker 2: go on the boys strips and all did all that place.

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Speaker 1: You've already done it all yeah and didn't get caught.

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm living. I want to be with

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Speaker 2: my kids. I want to help raise them. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to provide for them, right, But I'm distant in that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I feel like when you're a certain level

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Speaker 1: of success, that era has to kind of happen. Right.

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Speaker 1: It's very rare that you can be super present and

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Speaker 1: still but like, I feel like once you hit that

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Speaker 1: I did all the tough work twenty years ago, ten

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Speaker 1: years ago, except I built it. You mentioned Jason Whitlock. Huh.

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Speaker 1: Yo, it's crazy. So obviously we just saw everybody getle

436
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Speaker 1: go at Espnos. I mean, and they've had a lot

437
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Speaker 1: of cuts before. Steven they did a good job of

438
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Speaker 1: putting that out on his show, like where were you

439
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,359
Speaker 1: in this year and all these people got fired and

440
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Speaker 1: then this year all these people got fired. But again

441
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Speaker 1: your boy Max got let go, who is one of

442
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Speaker 1: my favorites, especially when it comes to boxing. I love

443
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Speaker 1: when he is working the fights, you know, for people

444
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Speaker 1: who don't know Max Calluman used to be a rapper. Seriously, yeah,

445
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Speaker 1: but have you spoken with Max? How's he doing? And

446
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Speaker 1: like for you to you know, I mean obviously as

447
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Speaker 1: somebody who's kind of doing your own thing now to

448
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Speaker 1: witness a line of cuts like that happening, I mean

449
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Speaker 1: we're talking about Jeff van Gundy, I know.

450
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Speaker 2: Yeah, those two, those are the first two that caught

451
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Speaker 2: me off guard. Max and No No, I think the

452
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Speaker 2: Max thing we kind of saw coming.

453
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Jeff van Gundy. I was like, damn.

454
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Speaker 2: But then one all right, so Jeff van Gundy, that

455
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Speaker 2: one caught me the most off guard.

456
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Speaker 1: But then my second mind kicked in.

457
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Speaker 2: He was like, hey, bro, he'd be going in on

458
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Speaker 2: the NBA with partner of ESPN. I can understand that.

459
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Speaker 2: Did you dive a little deeper? You realize maybe there

460
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Speaker 2: was a little uh maybe during coffee and tea and

461
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Speaker 2: can you let him go or else it's gonna be

462
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Speaker 2: tougher in our next negotiation.

463
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Speaker 1: Maybe that Jayalen Rose caught me off guard.

464
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Speaker 2: But then I was like, yeah, him and Max kind

465
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Speaker 2: of in the same boat. They start chipping away at

466
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Speaker 2: what your what your products are your entities? So no

467
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Speaker 2: more him, Jalen and Jacoby.

468
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Speaker 1: Then this happened right because the Jacoby Jalen show got

469
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Speaker 1: cut first.

470
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Speaker 2: He got cut first. Max no first take. For a while,

471
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Speaker 2: this just in, which felt like a filler show. All right,

472
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Speaker 2: you're not here, here you go. But how I don't

473
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Speaker 2: think Max leaves our show, leaves LA to do this

474
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Speaker 2: just in and people don't think like this, But you

475
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Speaker 2: get that in consolation.

476
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Speaker 1: But this is why I left ESPN and left Sports Nation.

477
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Speaker 1: It's one thing to.

478
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Speaker 2: Be getting paid and Max was getting paid, but he

479
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Speaker 2: got paid to do first tape and now here they

480
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Speaker 2: go what they plan.

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Speaker 1: B Like, Okay, you don't Steve Steven, they don't want

482
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Speaker 1: you on first take anymore. We got this for you, right.

483
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Speaker 2: But that ain't for you. That's just something to kind

484
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Speaker 2: of fill the time.

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Speaker 1: It's something fast to justify us paying you.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, And so there's a huge difference between them paying

487
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Speaker 2: you and them supporting you.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I felt that Sports Nation with all the rotating hosts

490
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Speaker 2: and co hosts, and I was like, they paying me,

491
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Speaker 2: but they I don't see foresight.

492
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Speaker 3: I don't see runway.

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Speaker 2: I don't see where they're all invested in the next

494
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Speaker 2: five years of the show. And it was tough to

495
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Speaker 2: call her bluff because every time you say that, they're like, oh,

496
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Speaker 2: of course we are.

497
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Speaker 1: Of course you are.

498
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Speaker 2: And then I said, all right, I'm gonna leave, and

499
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Speaker 2: as soon as I left, they canceled that show, proving

500
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Speaker 2: my point. I was on thin ice. The show was

501
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Speaker 2: on thin ice.

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Speaker 1: One day, they'll just wake up and be like a

503
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Speaker 1: Sports Nation. It was novel back then ten years ago.

504
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Speaker 2: Now everyone has a touch screen, everyone interacts with the

505
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Speaker 2: fans and social media. So I was like, I got

506
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Speaker 2: ahead of that one. I felt the same for Max.

507
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 2: I was thinking like, damn, this ain't gonna last. This

508
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Speaker 2: just then, even though it wasn't a bad show. It

509
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Speaker 2: just wasn't a show. He would have left LA and

510
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Speaker 2: he's going to do bad right, So saw that coming man,

511
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Speaker 2: And you know he has a little time on he

512
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Speaker 2: has time to work with in terms of still getting

513
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Speaker 2: paid by ESPN develop what's next. He's certainly in the

514
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Speaker 2: running for undisputed, depending on how they really do that.

515
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Speaker 2: But they're talking about their rotating partnership.

516
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Speaker 1: What they're doing in ESPAN. They might do at FS one. Yeah,

517
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Speaker 1: they which they actually got from Skips.

518
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Speaker 3: So I want to clarify everybody think Stephen, they started this.

519
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Speaker 1: Now back in the day, That's what Skip used to do.

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Speaker 3: That's what Skip used to do on court.

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Speaker 1: We don't remember that. Cold Pizza was always like Woody

522
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Speaker 1: Page or Steven A or the Stu Twins.

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Speaker 3: I remember them.

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Speaker 1: I know you're talking about God, I forget it. Monie

525
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Speaker 1: Jones was on a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: Would you come on there?

527
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Speaker 2: Yes, So it was a thing before Steve and A

528
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Speaker 2: revamped it and now Skip may go back to it.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, do you feel like the

530
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Speaker 1: way because I feel like the Pat McAfee thing happening,

531
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Speaker 1: and then all of this these cuts happening, and Steven

532
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Speaker 1: A starting his own show. I feel like none of

533
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Speaker 1: these are coincidential.

534
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Speaker 3: Oh no, it's not right.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well, they had to pay this guy,

536
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Speaker 1: however much they had to pay him for him to

537
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Speaker 1: walk away from that. Fanuel Deal would shout out to

538
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Speaker 1: him for being comfortable enough to do that. But then

539
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Speaker 1: at the same time, you got, oh, look, steven A

540
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Speaker 1: launches his own thing like you too, Like, do you

541
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Speaker 1: feel like Pat McAfee in the same way that Skip

542
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Speaker 1: and steven A kind of changed what moves the needle

543
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Speaker 1: in traditional TV ratings on sports networks with debate by

544
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Speaker 1: the way, PTI was the first to kind of do that.

545
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Speaker 1: But do you feel like Pat McAfee's changing the sports

546
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Speaker 1: broadcasting industry?

547
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the one that shows the proof of concept

548
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 2: the best in sports. You know, you combine that with

549
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 2: the Paul Brothers, you combine that with Joe Rose. Yeah, yeah,

550
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,479
Speaker 2: he starts getting crazy, but sports or it's McAfee, And

551
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 2: the beautiful thing is I keep going back to it.

552
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Speaker 2: He ain't even raised his hand to do it, but

553
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Speaker 2: you know what he was doing. He didn't know it.

554
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Speaker 2: He was falling into alignment where the.

555
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Speaker 1: Industry had to go So let's go way.

556
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Speaker 2: Back to like ninety eight ninety nine when Bill Gates

557
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: first said content is king, and everyone's heard that, but

558
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: we didn't really understand it because we didn't have the

559
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Speaker 2: proper mediums and the proper conduits to do that. So

560
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Speaker 2: content is king before social media is really big?

561
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Speaker 1: Meant what I.

562
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Speaker 2: Stay in the studio longer, my show is longer. What's

563
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: content is king? But what he really meant then? And

564
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Speaker 2: I was just at a speaking in the Silicon Valley

565
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Speaker 2: about this where all the tech guru CEOs are talking

566
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Speaker 2: vcs now that this world, especially sports media, is going

567
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Speaker 2: to change and morph into everyone is a creator and

568
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 2: everyone is a channel. Now some people are already pushing back,

569
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Speaker 2: probably thinking I ain't a channel, I'm not a creator.

570
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: Everybody is. If you got an Instagram, Oh no, let's

571
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Speaker 2: go old school Facebook, you like old.

572
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: Gerrant content creator? Technically, yes, if someone is following you,

573
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Speaker 1: that's giving you attention. If you post something, someone's giving

574
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Speaker 1: that some sort of attention. You might get two likes.

575
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: There you go, that is content. You may get two likes.

576
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: But if you talk about interaction engagement, did someone slow

577
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Speaker 2: down on it right there? Because that's what they look

578
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 2: on the back end. Sure, they're trying to measure.

579
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Speaker 1: Those metrics, and they're like, oh that was interesting.

580
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Speaker 2: Okay, now we're going to change your feet in the

581
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: algorithm for that point being you are a creator on

582
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 2: the grandest scale that is Pat McAfee. He just started

583
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Speaker 2: to plug a way doing a three hour show every

584
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: single day and falling into alignment where everything had to go.

585
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Speaker 3: So now everything is going on.

586
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Speaker 1: And very unedited, very unhinged when it came to the

587
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Speaker 1: language he's using, and it was like, oh, this guy

588
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: hasn't worked for nobody, so he could say whatever the

589
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: fuck he was he wants, and it was sick.

590
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Speaker 2: And I mean, you know, I'm watching one of my

591
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Speaker 2: contemporaries doing the same thing, broadcasting played ball like I did,

592
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Speaker 2: and then I'm watching him in a tank top curse

593
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Speaker 2: about the same topic that I'm over here, hello in

594
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Speaker 2: a soup looking on premer prophet.

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Speaker 1: It's like, who's the fans gonna want to see? They

596
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: want to see the uncut version of that?

597
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 2: Or right, I wanted to see that, So I'm like,

598
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: you know, getting off the studio desks.

599
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: Everyone is bowing down to me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, Mars's on no TVV linear cable respect which

601
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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 1: Of course, of course it's a different animal. If it wasn't,

603
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Speaker 1: Pat McAfee wouldn't be on ESPN if it didn't matter.

604
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Speaker 1: Because it does still matter because he took the He's

605
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Speaker 1: a lot of people think he walked away from you know,

606
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more money.

607
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 3: No, they got that wrong too.

608
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: Let me tell you all right, So let's just say

609
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: the Fan duel deal is one twenty. If it's one twenty,

610
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: that's what they reported. And then he gets eighty five

611
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: from ESPN. Everybody already initially kind of ran with it

612
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 2: the wrong way. One twenty from FANDU is hear Pat?

613
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 2: Do everything else with it?

614
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: Pay every pay your staff, pay yeah, pay the whole

615
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: crew whatever, bax Man Jones, everybody, all of them.

616
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and run that operation and you deal with all

617
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: that tax attorneys and all that. Or I give you

618
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: eighty five and then we pay your crew, and then

619
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Speaker 2: I go, AJ, come here, you come in here next.

620
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 2: Nobody talking about his deal. AJA, here's your five year

621
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: twenty five, whatever it may be. So everybody starts getting that,

622
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 2: it grows greater than the one twenty he got from

623
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: Fan duel and everybody secure. Everyone gets their health insurance

624
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: through somebody. It ain't on Pat McAfee's diamond, et cetera.

625
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: All these crews benefits, like it's saying, so he took

626
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: a better deal on top of a grander platform.

627
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: And he's gonna be able to do so much like

628
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: if he just hosted the SPS, you know, like they

629
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: threw him in last minute, last minute, and he killed it.

630
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: He killed it.

631
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: That's that's the thing, Like he still gets to do

632
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 2: what he's doing, but he also gets that turbo boost

633
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: at Nitrius from ESP.

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Speaker 1: By the way, shout out to a j Hawk for

635
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: never having to leave his house and and and just

636
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: they somehow did such a good job. Because you know,

637
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: I'm so against zoom content, like when we do interviews

638
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: and stuff for the most part of somebody.

639
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 3: I noticed that when we were setting it up, like.

640
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Speaker 1: Bro, if someone look like if if Drake was like,

641
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: we have to do I'm just I mean, like you're

642
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: what you're but you're in town, you know, Like I

643
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: think we've maybe done two or three Zoom interviews in

644
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: the last three years. I think one of them was, uh,

645
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: tyres you let Tyrese off the he from lad that

646
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: we did that more for the radio.

647
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Speaker 2: Ray got a spot in l A two. So who

648
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: are you letting off the hook? These cats live in

649
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: l A Dog TLC. It's hard to get all three

650
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Speaker 2: of them to guarantee too.

651
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Speaker 1: Left, I passed away t bos and Chili. Uh but yeah,

652
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Speaker 1: it wasn't What was the other one? Oh? Yeah, and

653
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: then I but for my ship. I think that's the

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Speaker 1: only two. Oh and then Goodie Mob. They were in

655
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Speaker 1: Atlanta and it was middle of the pandemic. Okay, so

656
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Speaker 1: this was like early pandemic. They don't dance no more.

657
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: Okay, I give you some of that, but but but

658
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Speaker 2: they've done a good job of figuring out a way

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Speaker 2: to make the remote thing work.

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Speaker 1: Does that everybody do? Nobody even notices anymore? Yes, because

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Speaker 1: in the hip hop's face people notice. Really. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: when you're not doing like an in person interview in

663
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Speaker 1: the music space, people notice. That's a great point. Sports

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Speaker 1: were so used to seeing everybody Mike will Buns in Arizona, Y.

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Speaker 1: It's a condition. Cornheiser's in d C.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, so like you know, just kind of finish

667
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Speaker 2: your point and finish what we were talking about. Everyone's

668
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: gonna become a creator. You already are, but it's gonna

669
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Speaker 2: become like you're gonna into it and really realize that's

670
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Speaker 2: who you are. Even if you're an old lady just

671
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: sitting there showing pictures of your grandkids, you're a creator.

672
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: What comes from that is now you're going to all

673
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: understand you have to license that out. And what ESPN

674
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: just bought into was the first licensing of a creator.

675
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: So they now it's a proof of concept on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Second most googled which Google owns YouTube, but second most

677
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Speaker 2: used search engine is YouTube behind Google, which both YouTube. Yeah,

678
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Speaker 2: so what they are doing is they're like, ah, we're

679
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Speaker 2: creating what it has to be.

680
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: Created, which are creators? Now?

681
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Speaker 2: Traditional media, whether that's Lindear or a cable or traditional

682
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Speaker 2: media has to now buy into all of us because

683
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Speaker 2: we are where the people are. So reason I took

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Speaker 2: off my suit ultimately is I was making one point

685
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: nine million dollars. I hate this world. We can't tell

686
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 2: kids and people how much you make it. Like in football,

687
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: everybody know how much you make, right everybody?

688
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Speaker 1: Everybody? You know, every little detail, every little claw, yeah

689
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Speaker 1: point zero. You know if you make the pro Bowl

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Speaker 1: this year. That's an extra five hundred k. Or Kyler

691
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Speaker 1: Murray has to study.

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Speaker 2: Right then I get into that was funny these thin

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Speaker 2: like these these like fragile egos or fragile industry of.

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Speaker 1: Why And we saw a lot of these salaries of

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Speaker 1: the guys who just got fired, and you were like, God, yeah,

696
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Speaker 1: I'm like whyle we hoigh. Guys like Keyshawn Johnson was

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Speaker 1: eating not not was he signed a five year deal

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Speaker 1: and only did one year of it. He's getting paid

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Speaker 1: for the next four years. When I saw the Keyshawn

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Speaker 1: Johnson number, and listen, the morning show was decent, it

701
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: wasn't great. Kishan is a decent like like obviously a

702
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: legendary player. He's done a great job. Dog dog Yeah, listen,

703
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Speaker 1: la legend, sc legend.

704
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Speaker 3: Oh here come my butt.

705
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: When I saw that number, I was like, oh.

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Speaker 3: You forgot Sean always hit him over.

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Speaker 1: The Temple Bay his agent. I think he's his own agent,

708
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: whoever agency is negotiating his ship. I said, oh, man,

709
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: good for him.

710
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: But you know the real of that is he got

711
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: that deal. God, let me let me untangle this for y'all.

712
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: So Max is making that big first take money then

713
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: they're like, all right, Stephen, they and him ain't gonna

714
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: mix water and oil.

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Speaker 1: They ended up putting Max on with Kishan, right, yeah,

716
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: that's that morning show. Yeah, so this is how it is.

717
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: Keith Shan was already there. They got rid of this

718
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: Oban guy, right, he got sick and then they just

719
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: left something like that.

720
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: So then Max comes in, but Max making first take money.

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Speaker 1: That's the most expensive morning show ever, right for a

722
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Speaker 1: radio show, right at all time.

723
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: So then Keishaw sitting there like he came to my hood.

724
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: This is my show whose name is first Kishank. So

725
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: he used at his leverage. That's how he got that dough.

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Speaker 1: you were making you were making one point nine.

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Speaker 2: I was making one point nine, which is you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean like I'm in a minus territory.

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Speaker 1: Most that's great though most used to don't make that.

788
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: And you were were you being Were you in LA

789
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: or you were going to Connecticut? La all la? Which

790
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: was great. It was a great fit for my life.

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00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: It's just I'm plaateaud. First of all, I'm the realist.

792
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: It's just like being an athlete. I knew when I

793
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: was sorry.

794
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 2: Now everyone else will say it before me, but I

795
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 2: acknowledge it when y'all saying it too.

796
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: When an athlete's coming down the hill, he knows.

797
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: It, he just ain't gonna admit it.

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00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: He won't admit it. Everyone else is gonna say it.

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Speaker 2: So I knew I was Plateau because the three big

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00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: dogs in my industry, I never could be like them,

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00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: and that's a positive for them and just a difference

802
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: from me, Stephen A. Skip and Colin. So this is

803
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: how I look at life. Man, it's the science of life.

804
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, all three of them didn't play

805
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: at the highest level, so there's a different level of

806
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 2: communication and investment. Right then, I'm like, all right, they

807
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 2: all go places I wouldn't go because I'm not trying

808
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: to be condensed into that great headline that's spicy.

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00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: I don't go in on the case. You'll notice a

810
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: lot less of the crueler takes coming from actual people

811
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Speaker 1: who played right exactly.

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00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: So I was like, damn, I'm not a hot take

813
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: artist and people think that's with a negative connotation. I'm like, no,

814
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: that's just a brand. We're all in the circuits, just

815
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: different tents. My tent is not that So I was like,

816
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: so how much can I make it my tent and

817
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: now I'll start looking around. I was like, I think

818
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: you making the most in this tent, bro. So I

819
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: was like, do you bet again? My next negotiation was

820
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: gonna be a haircut, using the pandemic and.

821
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: All this stuff. So I was like, then I'm looking

822
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 3: at my neighbors.

823
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, these suckers are going downstairs and these content

824
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: houses destroying life and moving in next to me. So

825
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, we talked through the negotiation.

826
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 2: Basically I started my own show downstairs in my house.

827
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Speaker 3: I'm just going downstairs.

828
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: It was your decision to leave FS one. So yeah,

829
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: all that's on your own terms. Both times, well if

830
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Speaker 1: they're paying me ten millions what I'm saying, but both

831
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: but both times leaving ESPN and FS one, you left

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Speaker 1: on your own. Oh yeah, like there, well there are

833
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: other opportunity it shows for me to go there. Yeah. No,

834
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: but you you were like, hey, I'm gonna move on

835
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Speaker 1: f S one because I have a place where maybe

836
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Speaker 1: I can showcase why I am more. Yeah. And then

837
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: once the FS one thing ran.

838
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: Its course, yeah, free agency, Like you got other offers?

839
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 2: Are they better offers here? So my mind at leaving

840
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: that FS one was this. There was three levels of

841
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: me landing the plane. The first one was we not

842
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Speaker 2: doing Speak for Yourself anymore because Whitlock's not here, who

843
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: designed that whole show.

844
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 3: He was there from there.

845
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: You're there when it became you weren't there when it

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Speaker 1: became speak.

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00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: No, That's when I was out because they were telling

848
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: me about that right, and I was like, damn, I'm

849
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: going backwards in life. No slight to them, because I

850
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: already did s Forced Nation and I was like, I've

851
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: already done the four person panel all that. You've been there,

852
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: done that, and they're done that. At the top layer,

853
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about cowboys, We're.

854
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: Gonna talk to lakers. I've done that.

855
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: And I was like, damn, I got so many more

856
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: muscles to flex that I won't get the flex in

857
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: that format on this show.

858
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: But they paying you so much, They paying you to

859
00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: be in.

860
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: That velvet coffee, like, just just die slowly with us,

861
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: shut up, you know what I mean?

862
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 3: And so I was like, damn.

863
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: Level two was the fact that the offer wasn't going

864
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: to be as grand as my imagination of being out here,

865
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: being on YouTube, letting brands plug into me. Sponsors, plugging

866
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 2: to me, going direct to consumer, and number three was frankly,

867
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: we start talking about other shows, building the show out

868
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: in my home, which we started First Things First, which

869
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: I love, but it's in New York. It was conversations

870
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: of it coming to LA. It didn't happen. Then I

871
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: was like, now I'm going I'm chasing money because the

872
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: only reason I'm gonna do this is because they're paying me.

873
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: I would never want to be in New York away

874
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 2: from my kids. I would never want to go over

875
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: here and be away from my kids and just travel

876
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: through the circuit.

877
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: I've done that, but I don't want.

878
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: To do that.

879
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 2: And then, you know, using my network and knowing what

880
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: I know and wanted to lean into my foundation, I said,

881
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: you know what, just do your own thing. Regained the man. Yeah,

882
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: it will come. And then let's wrong and.

883
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: The YouTube is doing well it is.

884
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 3: And you guys, I mean almost six months.

885
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: Do you have somebody handling your brand partnerships and your

886
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 1: sponsorships or do you do a lot of that yourself?

887
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: Are you Yeah, someone's handling it, But I mean I'm

888
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 2: always c seed.

889
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: I'm always chiming in.

890
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: You know, only I know my own secret sauce. Did

891
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: they get your blue choo yet? The blue choo? Are

892
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: you blue chewed up yet? What is that? You gotta

893
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: get that blue choo? Man? What is that they sponsor

894
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: our show? Oh, that's some food or something dip to

895
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: it's like a dick bill. My wife said, get it.

896
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: Get that back to en greeting is virns cialis used

897
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: the promo code blueleg Oh and you get a month

898
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: for free. It's move with that. Okay. You mentioned talking

899
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys and Lakers? Yeah? Yeah, is it ever?

900
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you are a unicorn in the sense

901
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: that you are one of the very few people who

902
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: I know from Los Angeles who chose the Clippers. And

903
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: kudos to you for that because it's an original thought.

904
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But original team too. We ain't from Minnesota.

905
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: When you guys are getting fed every you know, like

906
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: you said, there's the Lakers, there's the Cowboys. No matter

907
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: how irrelevant or relevant they may or may not be,

908
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: it seems like they're always top of the news cycle.

909
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: Right for you being like somebody who's like, guys, like,

910
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: is it ever like the fatiguing where you're like, how

911
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: many different ways. Can we talk about Dak Prescott being mediocre?

912
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 2: I think you need to ask it the other way.

913
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: Whether ever times I was excited, I was always fatigued

914
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: to that because what we were doing was chasing where

915
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 2: we thought the audience was. And look, let's be real.

916
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: You talk about the Cowboys and Yankees, Lakers. You can

917
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: say what you want. People do respond to that, but

918
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: you got to remember, like TV ratings are archaic.

919
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: Compared very archaic the way they work, Yes, the same

920
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: way radio is very arcade.

921
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: So you get it.

922
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: So the whole point is it's like, man, all right,

923
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 2: we're using this to guide us, but ask compass.

924
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: But it's flawed.

925
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 3: It's flawed.

926
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we literally are comparing ourselves to those who

927
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: are independent creators who have comments, who actually.

928
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: Oh you can actually see the views.

929
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 3: You can see the views.

930
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: This it's a hunch because you got this system that Yeah, it's.

931
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: Crazy, right, bar is a backdrop at the bar. Oh

932
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 2: that's a rating, yeah, but they ain't watching you.

933
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: That's like when people say radio ratings count. When someone

934
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: gets in an uber and someone's playing something all with it,

935
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: you're listening to the station. Technically, it's like, oh, am

936
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: I like, yes, just because.

937
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: It's on like the engagement.

938
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: So I mean it's fatiguing beyond, especially because I'm wired

939
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: differently than most people in this business, because I've always

940
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: just been a guy who's intellectually curious.

941
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: And I mean I put the actions behind that.

942
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: I went to Columbia them near in people's eyes and

943
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 2: perception threw away my football.

944
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: Career to go to a Yeah.

945
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm a whole different animal. That doesn't mean

946
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 2: I'm smarter. It just means I'm bet a little different

947
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: than you. And so when we keep going over this

948
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: same topic, I'm bored as hell because I'm like.

949
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: Br how many times do we talk about this this month?

950
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: And I would say that on air, which gave me

951
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: a lame but also like, dog, you're not this our

952
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: business model, bro, like you over here fighting what we do?

953
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: What was the like, what's something that comes to mind?

954
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: The one storyline or story or topic that maybe over

955
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: a month's time or three months time or you were

956
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: just like enough, this is crazy.

957
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always talking about Dak that top five? Now

958
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: is Dak top ten? It's Dak good enough to win

959
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: the super Bowl? It is that good enough to make

960
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 2: an NFC Championship game, Dak's contract justified.

961
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: Like, I'm like, god, dog, how many different times we

962
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: talk about this one guy who's never won a Super

963
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: Bowl or an MVP.

964
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, everybody else passing them up if you want to

965
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: say it in terms of their team is doing better, right,

966
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: they're winning ships.

967
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 3: We put them at the bottom of the show.

968
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: It's almost like, and listen, Tony Romo to me was

969
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: much better than Dak Prescott. But it's kind of with

970
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: Tony Romo back in the day. It's like they wouldn't

971
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: stop talking about Tony Romo, and it's like, yeah, the

972
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 1: number one of all though, was that t Bow fat?

973
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, people don't remember that. That was insane.

974
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: I remember, Oh, I remember it vividly and I had

975
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: to work through a lot of that all day every

976
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: day Tim Tebow talk. Yeah, and Tebow won one playoff.

977
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 4: Game, uh against the Steelers, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

978
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 4: true underdog and I love him as a human, but God,

979
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 4: if you're talking about sports, was that the guy that

980
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 4: put that much on?

981
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 3: And I think they came back a little bit.

982
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: Remember when he was on the Jaguars for the practice squad.

983
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh no, he's fack. I thought we

984
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: got rid of him. Any wanted to play baseball?

985
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I love chasing Tim Tebow to human, but

986
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: the great guy player, great guy. They were doing way

987
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: too much so that one all of that Dak talk

988
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: just to me.

989
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: As soon I see it, I like to throw up

990
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: in my mouth a little bit, Like, come on, bro,

991
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: how much of sports media is like, because because you

992
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: will always see like unspoken beafs with people like I've

993
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: seen I've seen Michelle Beatles say stuff about Rachel Nichols

994
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: and obviously there's like this, yeah I think it was

995
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: on a podcast or something.

996
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,479
Speaker 2: Okay, Mama, as I call her, Mama, Mama bees don't play.

997
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: She don't give a damn goddamn Spurs fan too, god bless. Yeah,

998
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: but how much of it is like, is there like

999
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that we don't get to see

1000
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: where people really just don't fuck with each other but

1001
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 1: they have to be on TVA with each other. Oh? Absolutely,

1002
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: because we've seen so much of that recently where like

1003
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: skipping Shannon had big, big blowouts, or Perk and JJ

1004
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: Reddick or you know, there's been all these things where

1005
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: you're like ooh. It gets a lot of eyes and

1006
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: it feels a lot more authentic than a lot of

1007
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: stuff we've seen. But it does seem like there's a

1008
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: lot of unspoken tension in the industry.

1009
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: That's part of the disruption, that's part of what's leading

1010
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: us in the ground Swell to go to more independence

1011
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: because both of those scenarios has an independent creator. Content

1012
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: creator kind of mixed up in there. So you got

1013
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: skipping Shannon all right. They've been doing this show for

1014
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 2: seven years while y'all beefing down in part because Club

1015
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: Sha Shae independent creation, which gave him.

1016
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: The different lane of popularity.

1017
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: Whether you say it's to the same level or surpassing Skip,

1018
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: that's something Skip can't compete with. Skip has his own

1019
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: podcast No one watches. I can't say no one could

1020
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: have got more subscribers than me. But he's been around

1021
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 2: way longer than me. I'm gonna catch him real quick,

1022
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 2: real quick.

1023
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: And if you have great numbers for six months.

1024
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: Dude is going and I'm loving it. So there's a

1025
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: there's a Club Shay shape. There's also a Kwame Brown

1026
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: element of like stirring it up.

1027
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: He's a wild boy that Kwame brown Man.

1028
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: Funny, hilarious, will stare look at you and stir it

1029
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: up and then say, now what you're gonna do?

1030
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 3: I'm on my tractor and good luck.

1031
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm just trying to give people the dynamics

1032
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: of why these things are shifting.

1033
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: Same thing.

1034
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: When you talk about a situation where there's a stephen

1035
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: A and then there's a Max kellen Man, and you

1036
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: see that's the situation.

1037
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 3: You're like, what's going on?

1038
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 2: Well, because the Internet has such a loud voice, so

1039
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: when you're trying to protect your brand, you're almost in

1040
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: a reality show. Now, people got it twisted. Doing the

1041
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: reality show ain't hard. It's when it's edited, and it's

1042
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: when the world gets to see it and respond and

1043
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: talk about you. That's when it gets hard. So skip

1044
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: Shannon stephen A, Max, Ah, we fine. Doing this is

1045
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: just when we go home and check it.

1046
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: Oh this night. Subconsciously, shit gets to you sometimes I'm sure, yeah,

1047
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm sell out.

1048
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: Oh I'm dumb. Oh he cooler to me, like you

1049
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

1050
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden you start to weave

1051
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: and do things a little differently.

1052
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 1: What's your prediction for Shannon Sharp.

1053
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 3: It's gonna be wrong. Let me say that.

1054
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: Uh before you answer, I think if I'm him, what

1055
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: I hope, Well, let me tell you what I hope.

1056
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: I hope he just goes all in on himself. Okay,

1057
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Though? I think he takes Club

1058
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: Shad Shade to a daily he obviously does the but

1059
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: I think if he did if he did a daily

1060
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: show on his own channel and he did that for

1061
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: a year, two years and built up leverage, whatever bag

1062
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 1: he's about to get would be way bigger because he's

1063
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: got all the attention and all the eyes on him.

1064
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: Right now, That's what I would do. What do you

1065
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: think is gonna happen? Yeah?

1066
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: Like if I could, and I think the magic wand

1067
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 2: would be exactly what McAfee did. Like he literally would

1068
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: turn Shay she into it daily and he couldn let

1069
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: it be on ESPN because there were talks of Shade

1070
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: Shape being on Fox in the summer during the dot

1071
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: right right now, Yeah, you would let it live every

1072
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 2: single day, pour all the resources into it. Then you

1073
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: would have like also the commercial being on First Take

1074
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: or something, your ESPN Club Shay Shapes every day. Then

1075
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: I chime in here and there once a week with

1076
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 2: steven A because that's the biggest daily show they have. Well,

1077
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 2: you're gonna have number one daily show and maybe number

1078
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: two with Club Chase Shape or flip that order. Maybe yeah,

1079
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: you never know, while still keeping your independence because your

1080
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:00,959
Speaker 2: license can get right.

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Speaker 1: So it's basically what the McAfee model is. I don't

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Speaker 1: you think he's gonna do though?

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Speaker 2: Snap, you just don't see him going back to Fox.

1084
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Speaker 2: I see him doing the once a day, once a

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Speaker 2: week would first take steven A.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Mondays during the football season. Yep.

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Speaker 2: I see him ramping up Club Sha Shape, but not

1088
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Speaker 2: daily on the YouTube and continue to leverage that. I

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Speaker 2: see him leaning into his cognac and slanging that. And

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Speaker 2: I also see him trying to build it up to

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Speaker 2: a point where he's not in the space he is

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Speaker 2: right now, which is once a week. He lateral move

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Speaker 2: or promotion would be another you would.

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Speaker 1: Think, like if you see the amount of money that

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Speaker 1: Draft Kings gave Pat, if you're Sandal or Fandel rather

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Speaker 1: sorry if you if you're Shannon Sharp, you gotta be like,

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Speaker 1: I'm more popular. Maybe maybe maybe it's close, well not

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Speaker 1: close in subscribers. No, no, no, no, no, not in subscriber.

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Speaker 1: I just mean in terms of like star power. Right now,

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Speaker 1: Shannon Shark, and everybody's talking about Shannon Sharks as they should.

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Speaker 1: He's popping right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, my agent, my broadcasting podcast agent. I have two,

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Speaker 2: but one of them was just working on a nine

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Speaker 2: figure deal. Now I can't say who because he didn't

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Speaker 2: tell me who, but I kind of narrowed the borders.

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Speaker 2: I was like, and I know, I think one of

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Speaker 2: them could be Shannon.

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Speaker 3: The other I'm not gonna say it.

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Speaker 2: I gotta protect the guilty because the guy doesn't want

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Speaker 2: it out. It could be still Shannon or somebody else.

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Speaker 2: But long story short, the money's out there though, nine figures,

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Speaker 2: nine figures.

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Speaker 3: So you know, that's the old McAfee fan dual kind

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Speaker 3: of deal.

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Speaker 1: So it could be Shannon.

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Speaker 2: But the point is I don't see him having a

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Speaker 2: daily show on ESPN unless this club chase shape. I

1118
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Speaker 2: would love to see that and then let him do

1119
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Speaker 2: first take once a week, call that a rap, leverage

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Speaker 2: it for a couple of years, and then see what

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Speaker 2: what's next?

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Speaker 1: What's the next run to? Who was somebody who helped

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Speaker 1: you the most in growing as a broadcaster? Over the years.

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Speaker 1: Obviously transitioning from playing in the NFL for ten years

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Speaker 1: coming to TV. Was there like a big homie of

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Speaker 1: yours that like really kind of helped show you the ropes? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Day one, No, Lie, I left the football field, and

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Speaker 2: I didn't know how big Mike and Mike was. I

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Speaker 2: knew how big ESPN was, But when you're playing, I

1130
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Speaker 2: swear people think you're lying. I didn't watch any of

1131
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Speaker 2: them shows. I know they even had daily shows. I

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Speaker 2: didn't know they had NFL Live.

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Speaker 1: I think I believe you back then. I feel like

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Speaker 1: nowadays it's hard, it's very hard to avoid it. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: but back then, I get it. Yeah.

1136
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Speaker 2: No, I never heard of Mike and Mike. I never

1137
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Speaker 2: heard of NFL Live. It was just so random, right.

1138
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Speaker 2: I knew about NFL Prime Time, and I knew like

1139
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Speaker 2: watch Sports Center and Berman.

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Speaker 1: To do right, Chris Berman and yeah Jackson right right right?

1141
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Speaker 1: I mean, what's man? I can't think Godlee, I'm bad.

1142
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Speaker 1: I can't think of this guy who played for the Broncos.

1143
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Speaker 2: Yes, gode y'all gonna kill me in them comments, do it?

1144
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Speaker 2: But yeah, those guys, And I was like, that was it.

1145
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Speaker 2: I made it if I made a high light on

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Speaker 2: there right right. So I'm looking around, I'm like, all right,

1147
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Speaker 2: I'm at ESPN day one and they're like, all right,

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Speaker 2: can you get up at like five in the morning,

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Speaker 2: be in the studio five fifteen and want you on

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Speaker 2: Mike and Mike. I was like, all right, radio show,

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Speaker 2: And I was like, damn, I got the radio, Like

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Speaker 2: I can't take this later or I'm like not even

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Speaker 2: slighting them in my head. I'm like, I gotta do

1154
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Speaker 2: a but this is my opportunity. So I'm gonna do

1155
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Speaker 2: this show called Mike and Mike. And I get there

1156
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Speaker 2: in this Mike green Bird, Mike Golick. I just feel

1157
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1158
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Speaker 2: guest appearance.

1159
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Speaker 1: I'm out. And I was like I got at five

1160
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Speaker 1: o'clock just for one segment.

1161
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Speaker 2: And when I was done, I was like, I can

1162
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Speaker 2: see this is bigger than I thought.

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Speaker 1: But how big?

1164
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Speaker 2: Got off air, checked my phone and it was lit

1165
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Speaker 2: up like I signed a new deal house I got dang.

1166
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Speaker 1: I was like Mike and Mike up there in every

1167
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Speaker 1: city everywhere. For ever many years, it was like the

1168
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Speaker 1: longest morning show. I mean, I just remember my whole

1169
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1170
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Speaker 1: Mike helped you out? The most golic golic.

1171
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Speaker 2: Now after that first segment, Yeah, he literally comes to

1172
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Speaker 2: me and he's like, dude, you're a storyteller. He's like,

1173
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Speaker 2: don't ever let somebody tell you any different. He's like,

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Speaker 2: everyone can do this extras and those stuff, there's computers

1175
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Speaker 2: for that, etc. He's like, your stories, please, just stick

1176
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Speaker 2: don't get on that railroad track.

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Speaker 1: Just tell stories.

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Speaker 2: Your experiences are insane, to the point where the next

1180
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Speaker 2: week they called me to come in. It was to

1181
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1182
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1183
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Speaker 1: Now my second week from being just.

1184
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Speaker 2: From being like one segment early in the morning crazy

1185
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Speaker 2: and I just ran with it. I never got boxed

1186
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Speaker 3: Third and goal, what should they do?

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Speaker 1: Oh? They should play?

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about your playing career, because you've obviously

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Speaker 1: played at a bunch of different places. Obviously, most notably you

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Speaker 1: got drafted by Buffalo. You had a great room with

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Speaker 1: the Chargers. What was your favorite city to play football

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Speaker 1: in and what do you think was the best team

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Speaker 1: you were ever On.

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Speaker 2: My record, it had to be Buffalo those four years,

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Speaker 2: even though we weren't making the Super Bowls like they

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Speaker 2: were years before.

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Speaker 1: Was this like Rob Johnson, Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: Doug Flutie, Rob Johnson, Alex van Pelt that Buffalo Waye Phillips.

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Speaker 2: Marv Levy was our coach. Yeah, it was crazy, man.

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Speaker 2: I walk into a locker room.

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Speaker 1: Wait were you? Were you on the field for the

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Speaker 1: MotorCity Miracle, Music.

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Speaker 2: City, Music City when you were there? I was there,

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Speaker 2: but I wasn't was on the golf team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you were. You were on our special teams.

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Speaker 2: That was a crazy wow talking about a lighte flashing

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Speaker 2: before your eyes.

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Speaker 1: Crazy did that happen? Dog?

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Speaker 2: We were losing that whole game in part because we

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Speaker 2: didn't start Doug Flutie.

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Speaker 1: We started Rob Johns. I remember that whole debate in

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Speaker 1: Rob Johnson had that really interesting bandana he would wear.

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Speaker 2: Really interested, you stupid, So we we we started the

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Speaker 2: guy that the locker room I would say, mostly didn't support.

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Speaker 1: And didn't want.

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Speaker 2: So we're like, all right, we're going out there, a

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Speaker 2: little handicap and let's go.

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Speaker 1: And they had Javan Curse that year. I remember the

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Speaker 1: creak and.

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Speaker 2: They were playing Rick James every time the Sucker made

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Speaker 2: a sack, and they played a lot of Rick James

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Speaker 2: that game.

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Speaker 3: Right. The sucker was tilting his rookie year. He was insane.

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Speaker 1: He was so good so good.

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Speaker 2: So they're they're beating us most of the game. And

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Speaker 2: I remember the fans heckling us. We're in Tennessee, they

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Speaker 2: talking trash. We had the number one defense, but it

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Speaker 2: was a low scoring game, but they still were winning.

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Speaker 1: And everybody in their head was like, damn Flutie was playing.

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Speaker 2: One curse, ain't gonna get to Flutie like he getting

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Speaker 2: the rock because he was mobile. Yeah, And two we

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Speaker 2: were like, oh, we might be winning this game anyway. Somehow,

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Speaker 2: some way, we find a way where we're leading. And

1291
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: I think it's like twelve seconds ago, nine seconds, I

1292
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: don't know, it's something low. All we got to do

1293
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: is kick the ball off, make the tackle.

1294
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: Game over, yin yan yang.

1295
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: And I remember right before the kickoff, so the whole

1296
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 2: stadiums deflated, and then the people started to walk a

1297
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: little like just to go.

1298
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: They're not leaving, but they're gonna. They're gonna stand at

1299
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: the top so seeing the final play and then try

1300
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: to get to the car for everybody else. Yeah, and

1301
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: we clowning them. We're like, oh, oh, where are I going?

1302
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: What's up?

1303
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: And were like, because we think we're gonna win, there

1304
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 2: gonna do is kick the ball off and then tackle

1305
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: to do. They kicked that ball off and I think, uh,

1306
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 2: lorenz O'Neil got it first. Now he's a fullback, so

1307
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 2: I'm not expecting him to take off, but he's jogging

1308
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: and he's a fullback, So what's happening In slow moment,

1309
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, what, And.

1310
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: I think he threw it?

1311
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: Uh him or white check through it to Dison now

1312
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: diceon can row when he threw it cross field, Yeah,

1313
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: that's what it was.

1314
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: Low Neil got it. Give the white check.

1315
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 2: He ran the sideways, threw it and then and when

1316
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: he did this, everybody on our.

1317
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: Because you could see it. We've seen too much football.

1318
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: We could see it delble like.

1319
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: So my thought was, I swear it happened on the

1320
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: opposing sideline, Tennessee. If it happened right in front of me,

1321
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 2: I would have took that penalty. Now, I don't know

1322
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 2: if they would have gave them six six points or

1323
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: they would just say give them.

1324
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: Twenty yards right right right.

1325
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 2: And I was like, ain't no, because you can just

1326
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: see it. There was no one in front him, and

1327
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 2: we got sucked in. He caught that ball to the

1328
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 2: house and it was a rap.

1329
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: After that, you guys get to the locker room. After

1330
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: that ends, what is said? What does Wade Phillips say?

1331
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: What is like? What what is the like? That's one

1332
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: of those things, right, How did it like what happens

1333
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: in the locker room right after that? Immediately?

1334
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the first thing that happened was a ten

1335
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 2: minute in real time like instant replay, Like they literally

1336
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 2: went under the hood for it felt like ten minutes,

1337
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: kind of like the tuck room, remember that.

1338
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, because this was prior to their being challenges and all.

1339
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: That, right, Yeah, but they had to review it and

1340
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 2: they kept going, kept going. The fans start crowding around

1341
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 2: the officials, like right there in the front row. I mean,

1342
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 2: it was a shoe scrum, and he's just under there

1343
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 2: looking like, I mean forever, just.

1344
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,919
Speaker 1: Like the tuck rule was. He was like twenty minutes later.

1345
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: Then he came out and he was like the call

1346
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 2: stands or you know, touchdown.

1347
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: We were like, oh, because we thought it was a

1348
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: FOURD letter yeah kind of, I mean, but I mean

1349
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: it was close MIT.

1350
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 2: I think they did it at MIT and they were like, yeah,

1351
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: it was a FOURD letter by this degree.

1352
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: But whatever.

1353
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: So then we get into the locker room, and not

1354
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 2: to exaggerate it, it felt like a traumatic experience, like

1355
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 2: you remember being in there, but now you reflect back.

1356
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 2: I don't recall any of that except crying. Everybody was

1357
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 2: like either pissed or crying. But I don't remember one

1358
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 2: word from Wade. I don't remember one interaction with another guy.

1359
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: I just remember seeing tears, people pissed off, and even

1360
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 2: me just sitting there crying. And there's an interview of

1361
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 2: me yelling or talking trash about officiating and stuff, et cetera.

1362
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 3: But this is a whole different era.

1363
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: Man. We just had to we had to eat it.

1364
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: We had to take Yeah, because I just finished The

1365
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks on Netflix. Have you seen that? So Netflix has

1366
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: a show that they dropped. You should watch it? Okay,

1367
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: It follows last season Marcus Mariota, Patrick Mahomes and Kirk

1368
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: Cousins seen the billboard somewhere. It's so good.

1369
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 3: It means, let me find out it's really good, let

1370
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 3: me hear why.

1371
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: Well one it lets you know how much of like

1372
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: an absolute maniac because it follows Patrick Mahomes at home

1373
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: and they're with them all year. He's a maniac. For

1374
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins. You come out of it respecting him so

1375
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: much more because he gets hell, yeah, yes, he played

1376
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: hurt all season last year, and I didn't know he

1377
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: was the most hit quarterback in football last year. I

1378
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: didn't know either, So he was just getting this. Shaffer

1379
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: was hurt all last year. His ribs were fucked up

1380
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: the whole year, and they had one of the best

1381
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: records in the league all year, you know, and then

1382
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: they lost to the Giants in the playoff. And then

1383
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: you see Marcus Mariota and you realize the difference between

1384
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: He might have all the talent in the world, but

1385
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: you see well, but you see everything, right, You see

1386
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: the preparation, You see the passion that Kirk Cousins and

1387
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: Mahomes has, and to me, Mariota has kind of like

1388
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: a he's just not into it like they are.

1389
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: And you're like, well, how do you measure that? Because

1390
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 2: I've played Julius Pepper's Hall of Famer. Oh yeah, got

1391
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 2: caught up in that where there's a physical demonstration and

1392
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 2: like expression of commitment. And then there's some guys who

1393
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 2: just like, I'm showing you that, but I am committed.

1394
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: I just think Julius Peppers is alien too, so that's different. Yeah.

1395
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: It's like it's like questioning Alan Iverson. It's like, yeah,

1396
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: but he's Allan Iverson. Marcus Mariota is not Alan Iverson.

1397
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: But I came out of it being extremely scared for

1398
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: the next ten years about having a you know, I mean,

1399
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm a Cardinals fan, so it doesn't really matter. We're

1400
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:44,439
Speaker 1: not doing shit. But just Mariota or Mahomes is that guy.

1401
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: But Kirk Cousins is man, He's a baller. Yeah, Kirk.

1402
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 2: See, that's another thing about like sports media, you got

1403
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 2: some you got to tell someone I'm over here on fire,

1404
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 2: and I ain't nervous to tell somebody I'm sweating.

1405
01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1406
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 2: The thing about like I got a little mad too

1407
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 2: at here we go, Thank you, brother. I got mad

1408
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 2: at just the coverage of a guy like her Cousins,

1409
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 2: who's way better than what his labor or narrative, right.

1410
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: The narrative is he's chokes and you're never gonna win

1411
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl.

1412
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins.

1413
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, until he does, or you know, if he does.

1414
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: It used to be that way with Andy Reid, by

1415
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: the way, come on.

1416
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 3: It was Andy Reid. Look, they did that to so

1417
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 3: many grace.

1418
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 2: It was rich Gannon who never won when he got there,

1419
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 2: but was an MVP and a machine got there. So

1420
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 2: it's like, come on, here's the thing. Why don't like it?

1421
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 2: And it really hits me is because I coach. I

1422
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 2: coached my son. He's a seven year old, and we

1423
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: out there Tilton like we win the championships every year.

1424
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 3: We got squad.

1425
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 2: But the thing that really hurts me is every single

1426
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 2: kid that shows up, their heroes are the active players. Now,

1427
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 2: some of them like guys like a Dak Prescott, like

1428
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 2: a Kirk Cousins, Like it's not always just who is

1429
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 2: the best, you know, they find their guy and they

1430
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 2: love their guy. And I was like, dog one day

1431
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 2: it hit me it was crazy, I'm coaching my kids

1432
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 2: and their favorite receivers or Cooper Cup and all these

1433
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 2: kind of guys you know they love. My son loves

1434
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 2: Austin Ekelert whatever. Not the best running back, but he

1435
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 2: wanted the best. And then I go to work the

1436
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 2: next day and I'm around and in the atmosphere where

1437
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 2: they're tearing down my son's favorite and I was like,

1438
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 2: and I'm supporting this through either my complicity or the

1439
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 2: fact that you know you either silent or you're actually contributing,

1440
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 2: or sometimes you fighting against it. But that's just engagement

1441
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 2: and people gonna chime in. Even more so I am

1442
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 2: complicit in it. And I was like, dog, I'm in

1443
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 2: some weird, like bizarro universe where I'm actually tearing down

1444
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 2: some heroes for my.

1445
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: Kid, for my kid, and for a bunch of kids.

1446
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, I'm telling this kid run, stay in line, stay

1447
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 2: disciplined so he can be the best he could be,

1448
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 2: and pray he can make it to the league. And

1449
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: now I'm over here watching that happen to not only

1450
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 2: NFL guys, but like a Kevin Durant or Russell Westbrook

1451
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 2: and like.

1452
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: Pick them, just tearing them down from there, especially Russ.

1453
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to talk about somebody who's a

1454
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: lot of kids heroes that got tore down to Like

1455
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,919
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, thank god the Clippers thing worked out,

1456
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: but it was it was like sad to see the

1457
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: way people were talking about I'm like, this is Russell Westbrook.

1458
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: I mean, like, this guy's probably my favorite player I've

1459
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: ever watched in person. Just to see Russ live up

1460
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: close with the thunder, it was crazy. Yeah, and he

1461
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:35,959
Speaker 1: homie too is good.

1462
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 4: Dude.

1463
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 2: Look, no one's perfect in terms of listen.

1464
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get into like what you said, you

1465
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: get into the good for winning the Disney fit with

1466
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: the Lakers, you know, But.

1467
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 2: But keep your respect, calling like stripes like let him

1468
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 2: in jackets like you are a doctor.

1469
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm always call you. Yeah, you're a hall of fame.

1470
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: You're a hall of fame. I always respect my MVP.

1471
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 2: Yes, y'all coming at me like I'm just trying to

1472
01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 2: make it like I'm trying to do something in this

1473
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 2: and it's silly, but that's what I just kind of

1474
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 2: got fatigued of as well, in an overall sense of

1475
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 2: like overarching this was like, damn dog, we really tearing

1476
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 2: cats down just for some ratings, just to pop because

1477
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 2: we got an arcade ratings system, because we competing against

1478
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 2: all these casts at.

1479
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 1: Are on YouTube that could do it. And he don't

1480
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: even tear cast down. He doesn't. No, that's crazy, You're right,

1481
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: he never does any of that ship really know how

1482
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: hard it is.

1483
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: And so he's a punter saying, man, I'm propping up everybody,

1484
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 2: and if.

1485
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: Look the guy any self deprecating, right, I'm just a punner.

1486
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: Who do I know? Right?

1487
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 2: And I'm like, dog, there's an alternative to this. There's

1488
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 2: an alternate universe that I need to go live in.

1489
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 2: And that's where I'm at now.

1490
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Man, Well, I think it's dope. The

1491
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: YouTube channel's doing great. I'm getting that like in the week.

1492
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: Why do you get that that dope? Once you hit

1493
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: the one hundred thousand, it just gives you an option

1494
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: and they send you one for free. That's s I

1495
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: need that in my life. Yeah, it's gonna happen. I

1496
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: wish they used to give one for two fifty, I think,

1497
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: because we just hit like two seventy five. Well you

1498
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: out here eating how long you've had this? We started

1499
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: it June twenty twenty, No, June twenty twenty one, so

1500
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: about a year and and three months into the pandemic.

1501
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: Oh now it was that pandemic. It's been about two years.

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01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: The pandemics. The best thing ever happened to me. That's

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Speaker 1: what it made me and reshaped my whole perspective on

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01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: what was important. Because I used to be I started

1505
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: in the pandemic going to a radio station every night

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01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 1: for six hours a day doing my show live Arcaic

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01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: A way, Yeah, just changed everything for me. Damn.

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01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 3: They said that pandemic like.

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01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: It either broke you or made you better.

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01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 2: Heard like, I know how it was socially for me,

1511
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 2: but I was fat and fool on the.

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01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: Day and it was crazy because I mean, dude, I

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01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,759
Speaker 1: mean I remember just listening to sports podcast talking about

1514
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: the last Dance like it was happening live because there

1515
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 1: was nothing else going on. It was like yep, yep.

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01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 2: And the craziest thing was I started because I moved.

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01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 2: Since then, my boy Matt Lindzen and I went to

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01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 2: college with my brother from another in twenty eighteen. He

1519
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 2: was like, oh, you need to do a podcast, and

1520
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 2: I thought he was like almost insulting me.

1521
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: And it was weird because I was.

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01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 3: Like, dog, I'm listening to him. Him and his wife.

1523
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 3: They was like, oh my god, I love podcasts. It's

1524
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 3: the best thing.

1525
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: And You're like, man, I ain't doing a pile on

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Speaker 1: TV right.

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01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 2: Not only that, but I also don't have the time.

1528
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 2: But I was like, I'm gonna look into it, no lie.

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01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 2: Twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, I started in my poolhouse.

1530
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, let me just get in

1531
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 1: a shot. I didn't even give it a shot. Set

1532
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: it up, got to the point where the MIC's gonna

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01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: turn on.

1534
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 2: Guess what. I was like, Damn, it's hottest hell in there.

1535
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 2: I sweat a lot, like you can tell right now.

1536
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 2: And I was like, it's hot at hell here. Okay,

1537
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 2: we need to order an AC unit or have the

1538
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 2: AC guy.

1539
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: Before I start.

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01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:47,679
Speaker 2: Before I start, in that time, I saw a house.

1541
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, this dream house. We gotta move.

1542
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: You go there.

1543
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 2: You moved in that time. And then I moved and

1544
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 2: when I moved didn't reset up. I didn't reset I

1545
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 2: was just like, all right, maybe that was a sign,

1546
01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 2: don't even do it. And I literally moved and I

1547
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 2: had this studio in the house and I was like,

1548
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 2: oh no, I'm good.

1549
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just keep doing this.

1550
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 2: And then literally when in September of last year, I

1551
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 2: finally said, man, I ain't gonna be doing this no more.

1552
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 2: Let's stop doing this and let's do it a different way,

1553
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 2: do it that independent way. And then from September to

1554
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 2: like January, I was just like in the lab saying,

1555
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 2: where's your voice?

1556
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: Who are you? For real?

1557
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 3: What what you love about?

1558
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: Before? What you love about this future, can you apply

1559
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: to the new ship? Yeah?

1560
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 2: And I was just like, then I've got a little

1561
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 2: paralysis by analysis. I kept designing it.

1562
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: And I was like, you'll overthink it. Hell yeah, you

1563
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: overthink yourself into procrastination every time.

1564
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 2: Dog.

1565
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 3: And I was like, that's what they were paying me for.

1566
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 2: Over there, don't think we got it got you just

1567
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 2: show up and it's good and there's.

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01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: A takes a lot more to really do it. You're

1569
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 1: on your own because now you gotta do It's about

1570
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 1: the action and you're afraid people are gonna receive it

1571
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: for sure. Trust me. I was there too.

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01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was weird, Like I just was like I

1573
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 2: was I was untraining myself from from a lazier experience,

1574
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 2: which was great because they paid me and it gave

1575
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 2: me platform.

1576
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 1: But I was like, change your life.

1577
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 3: My muscles, man, they out of shape, you know what

1578
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:05,679
Speaker 3: I mean?

1579
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 2: Like, get the work bro in a way that it

1580
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 2: is expressing exactly who.

1581
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: You are, not just what the machine is saying.

1582
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 2: So then finally January I was just like, let me

1583
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 2: do it. And then February I was like I turned

1584
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 2: the cameras on January. February, I said, let's do this

1585
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 2: for real, do it every day, and now we had

1586
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 2: like almost one hundred thousand suscribers already.

1587
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: Well, congrats. Last question, yeah, okay, do you want the

1588
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: Clippers to move on from this Kawhi Paul George Era.

1589
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's going to happen or not,

1590
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: but but if you tell me your thoughts on that

1591
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: era and do we like to give it another year? Also,

1592
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: how do you feel about James Harden potentially wanting to

1593
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 1: come to the Clippers and would you would you would

1594
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: you welcome such things? Yeah?

1595
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 2: Look, it's so tough to give up on that dynamic duo,

1596
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 2: but they're not there when you need them most.

1597
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: The best availability or whether they say the.

1598
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 2: Best ability availability, yeah, and we just can't trust that.

1599
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 2: So it's a lot of hope when you need actions

1600
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 2: the most. And look, Kawhi's knee is what it is.

1601
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 2: He took a year, a year and a half off

1602
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 2: and still couldn't even run off. Yeah, and still couldn't

1603
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: make a playoff run. So then you are like, all right,

1604
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 2: we got to break it up just to reshuffle the deck,

1605
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 2: reimagine this situation and get a different result. It's insanity

1606
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 2: to keep doing the same thing expecting a different result.

1607
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 2: Problem is, Paul George is more available than Kawhi, but

1608
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 2: Paul George is not Kawhi because when Kawhi is on,

1609
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 2: he's top five, damn why and Paul George's top twenty

1610
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 2: for sure.

1611
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: Beast.

1612
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 2: But it's a different animal. So they're gonna have to

1613
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 2: break it up. But I think they're gonna run it

1614
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 2: back one more time.

1615
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,719
Speaker 1: As a Clipper fan, do you ever think I wish

1616
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: we never would have made the trade because we would

1617
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: have had an SGA and all those picks.

1618
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 2: No, you know what, Shaye Gildris, they talked them with,

1619
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 2: They talked to us as fans, They talked to everyone

1620
01:12:58,640 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 2: through that process.

1621
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 3: They knew they were giving.

1622
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 1: Up a ball. Oh Paul, but you gotta take the

1623
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,839
Speaker 1: swing if you're the Clippers, right, you're the Clippers.

1624
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 2: No, first of all, you're a professional football of basketball Clippers.

1625
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: But you're the Clippers. Like, if you can get two

1626
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: of the top fifteen guys in the league, top five

1627
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: guy who just want to ring, you gotta try it. Yeah,

1628
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: it's you gotta swing for the fence. That's why am

1629
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: I man of my son's we're swinging for the fences.

1630
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: Oh should be is a wild boy man he's doing

1631
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,799
Speaker 1: he don't give a fuck about a second apron, first apron.

1632
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: He's running through. That's it.

1633
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 3: So we got to swing for the fences.

1634
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 2: I think right now the strikeouts are starting to add

1635
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 2: up where we're gonna have to change our swing, that's all.

1636
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 2: What about herten on the Clippers on paper, I don't

1637
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 2: see it, especially because we got Westbrook.

1638
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 3: I don't see that. I mean, look, because that means.

1639
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 1: Paul George is out, like someone's gotta go someone. You're

1640
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 1: not gonna trade Kawhi, are you really? No? You have

1641
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 1: to change Paul. So Paul George is gone.

1642
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 2: We're gonna use up Westbrook to get us to the playoffs,

1643
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 2: hopeful Kawhi to get us over the hump.

1644
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,719
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, yeah, pg's a better fit than James's.

1645
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I don't I don't see that style

1646
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 2: of ball hardened the baller still because when MB was hurt,

1647
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 2: he did his staying every single time.

1648
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: Let the league in assist, yeah, exactly, also let the

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01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: league and strip club visits.

1650
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Speaker 2: I can't talk to you now, that's only on an

1651
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 2: official record. Somebody else got to beat anyway. I appreciate

1652
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:19,719
Speaker 2: you man, Thank you. Boom go make sure you subscribe

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Speaker 2: on YouTube. You're dropping it out daily, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, daily man.

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Speaker 2: We there every single day talking sports, intersection of life

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Speaker 2: in sports and just breaking it down for real.

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