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Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, Paul Calves, he joins

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Speaker 1: me he was there. He was in Minnesota with the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals once again put themselves in position to win a

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Speaker 1: game and once again took themselves out of position to

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Speaker 1: win a game. Turnovers, penalties, just too many mistakes, costly mistakes.

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Speaker 1: We get into it all. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode

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Speaker 1: six oz nine and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two. Hitting the backfield and down he goes for

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Speaker 1: a loss. J J. Watt nailed it. Cardinals Cover two

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Speaker 1: is presented by hun Day Crowd, partner of the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Easy Cardinals dot com

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Speaker 1: slash podcasts. He's at the ten half of five. He's

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Speaker 1: in again. So for Harry Magic. Whoa. Here's Craig Grielou

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Speaker 1: by the way of Paul excellence costume. You and I

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Speaker 1: both going as professional broadcasters because that's what we do

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Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover too. You know what, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm going ass and this takes a little little creativity,

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Speaker 1: or maybe it doesn't. I'm going as a bad mood

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Speaker 1: Monday after a loss. That's my costume, and as a

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Speaker 1: result greed. I'm just telling you right now, I refuse

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Speaker 1: to acknowledge anybody's costume in this building. I don't care

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Speaker 1: how outlandish or outrageous your costume is. Here on Halloween Monday,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk right past you like it was three

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty four other days of the year. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna nod. I'm gonna say, how's it going, how's your day.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you, and I'm gonna keep going. I

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Speaker 1: don't care if you're dressed up as a banana. I

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Speaker 1: don't care as you're dressed up as Chewbacca. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I've seen anything and everything and I haven't reacted once.

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Speaker 1: So I got my game face on in this Monday.

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Speaker 1: So you're just looking right past exactly what right? I

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Speaker 1: don't care, Well, it's kind of costume you're rocking. How

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Speaker 1: much time you put into it, how much you spend

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Speaker 1: at the costume store to rent it for twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: I refuse to acknowledge it. We got bigger problems around here.

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Speaker 1: I have often wondered what it would be like to

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Speaker 1: be you and be in your shoes for a day

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Speaker 1: or so, And then there's games like Sunday in Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: that locker room, because just the not the questions, the answers,

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Speaker 1: the responses. And then I read Darren Urban's lead on

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Speaker 1: his game store and you tell me if this is accurate,

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Speaker 1: because you're in the locker room, I am not. Okay,

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Speaker 1: laid on me. This is his one sentence lead to

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Speaker 1: the cardinals thirty four twenty six loss at the Vikings.

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Speaker 1: The frustration was apparent from the muted voices post game,

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Speaker 1: to players declining interviews, to the exploit is flying through

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Speaker 1: that's not totally unheard of, though, guys yelling stuff before

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Speaker 1: the media is allowed in. You can imagine the sort

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Speaker 1: of raw emotion that is involved in the Warriors sport

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Speaker 1: that is football. So yeah, it's very hard just to

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Speaker 1: and especially when a team feels like it is giving

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Speaker 1: the other team too many chances that you're beating yourself

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Speaker 1: it was visceral. It was like after that Eagles game.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think we're gonna see on hard knocks

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Speaker 1: coming out just what it was like in that locker

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Speaker 1: then we're doing the postgame radio interviews and it's literally

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Speaker 1: in their minds they're rewinding the game. You know, they're

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Speaker 1: the moment. They're reflecting, what could I have done better?

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Speaker 1: went wrong for the Cardinals to win that game. Yet

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Speaker 1: at times, certainly, but not enough times this season. In

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Speaker 1: to this. Shay said, yeah, that was the difference, ultimately

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Speaker 1: it is a big thing. It is a big deal.

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Speaker 1: Just because you're close on the scoreboard doesn't mean you're

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Speaker 1: Cardinals have to address it. That's what has to change.

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Speaker 1: To me. Even Kirk Cousins, you want to quote, I'll

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Speaker 1: the NFL history will show that. And gree we've talked

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Speaker 1: hard to diagnose it's whack amole. And in any sport,

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Speaker 1: that's the hallmark of a winning or a losing team.

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Speaker 1: As you've said often here on Cardinals Cover two present

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Speaker 1: to buy Hunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, those

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Speaker 1: mistakes are correctable, easily correctable, but then new mistakes happen

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Speaker 1: with different players. To your point, the whack amole theory,

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Speaker 1: And that's the concerning part, because there is no question

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Speaker 1: Once again, vance Joseph, the process of winning is harder

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Speaker 1: Kendricks seven tackles, Hicks six tackles, and his best tackle

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Speaker 1: was the tackle on Eno Benjamin. And then again another mistake.

428
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Speaker 1: You're looking at third and four and you run a

429
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Speaker 1: route that leaves you a yard short of the sticks,

430
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Speaker 1: and then Jordan Hicks makes a great tackle. And to

431
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Speaker 1: your point about Davin Collins, he was did finish in

432
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Speaker 1: the top five as far as tackles, but just five

433
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Speaker 1: as opposed to the nine or ten he had had

434
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Speaker 1: in previous weeks. You brought up Pat be a couple

435
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: of different times, and I just want to address this because,

436
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: as I mentioned this to someone else earlier on this Halloween,

437
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: this was the second meeting between Patrick Peterson and the

438
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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. This was not the first meeting. So if

439
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: there was this much angst anger and vitriol that he

440
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: was ready to spout, Paul, where was that a year

441
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: ago at this time? You know why there was nothing

442
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 1: a year ago because the Vikings lost in Week two

443
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals. Last season, he popped off because the Cardinals.

444
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: He finally bested the Cardinals. And I don't think he

445
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: was going to wait until a win happened under his belt,

446
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: because I'm sorry, if you are that disappointed and hurt,

447
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: then you bring it up the first time, you don't wait. Yeah,

448
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I mean, he was. He was

449
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 1: a totally different player than he was in Week two

450
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: at twenty twenty one. And it wasn't just the postgame comments.

451
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: It was he was yelling expletives, bleep this and bleep

452
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: that at the Cardinal's sideline. It lasted the entirety of

453
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Speaker 1: the game, you know, p twice it stood for a

454
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: perturbed and personal He took whatever it was that he

455
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: told himself happened very personal. And you know, I had

456
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Speaker 1: a chance to talk to him after the game, and

457
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: it was chronicled by Channel twelve because after he was

458
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: yelling at me, cam Cox went over with a camera

459
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: and he was yelling at me because I was the

460
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: last guy left on the sideline, and he's like, hey, Paul,

461
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: where's Steve Kime? Where's Kime? I got something to say,

462
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: But to your point, he's had two years to have

463
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Speaker 1: something to say. So it's interesting how he waited till

464
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Speaker 1: the Vikings are six and one and after a win,

465
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: I get it. And here's the thing. And we said

466
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Speaker 1: this at one point in the second half. I was

467
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: talking to someone during one of the extended TV timeouts.

468
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: If he would have had that sort of animosity and

469
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: that sort of physicality his last couple of years with

470
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, he'd still be a Cardinal. You know this

471
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: whole thing that, yeah it look, we can we can

472
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: get into this any depth of detail you want. But yeah,

473
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Speaker 1: there was some avoidance of physicality towards the end of

474
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Speaker 1: pat PA's career. And the problem with that is, and

475
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: he's not the only one, and it wasn't the only team.

476
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: But when the highest paid guy on that side of

477
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: the ball isn't necessarily willing to go all out, and

478
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,719
Speaker 1: guess what, that gets contagious. Yes, other guys say, well,

479
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: wait a minute, he's getting paid eight figures and he's

480
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: not willing to go ahead and stick his shoulder pads

481
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: in there on an open field tackle, then guess well,

482
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 1: why am I? And then all of a sudden, this

483
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: self preservation for the offseason, to make sure you're healthy

484
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: for the next contract or contract negotiation with maybe the

485
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: next team. That becomes an epidemic on any team. And so,

486
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: but you didn't see that. You didn't see that here

487
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: in the game against the Cardinals, he was all in.

488
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: He had the three Pasta's defense, he had four tackles.

489
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: He's john and cursing at the Cardinals sideline, and I

490
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: couldn't hear exactly what he was saying, but he was

491
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: the most animated guy in the field. I didn't see

492
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Speaker 1: a lot P two versus DeAndre Hopkins, and I don't

493
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Speaker 1: know how often they were lined up opposite one another,

494
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: because if they were, then Pat P didn't really have

495
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: a good day because DeAndre Hopkins caught nearly everything that

496
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: was throwing his direction. Yeah, I did not see Pat

497
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: P one on one against DeAndre Hopkins once. Now, obviously,

498
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: you know they're playing a lot of zones to begin with.

499
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: You know he's not traveling anymore and shadowing any receiver

500
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: for the most part, much less DeAndre Hopkins, who looks

501
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: to be at the top of his game. You know,

502
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: they had the epic showdown in twenty seventeen at Houston,

503
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: and that was something to behold Pat p and his

504
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: prime against DeAndre Hopkins, and that was hand to hand,

505
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: man to man combat there for the entirety of four

506
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: quarters that was that was an epic battle. But that

507
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: was not the case in this game. And that's not

508
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: how the Vikings really run their defense. And guess what

509
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: they're doing what's best suited for them. They don't have

510
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: that elite cover corner anymore, so they're going with the

511
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: zone covers any sort of If you want to zoom

512
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: out to the entire league right now, that seems to

513
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: be the case, Craig. I mean, if you can how

514
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: do I say this, are elite corners as valuable as

515
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: they used to be? Meaning if you can just go

516
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: with a cover two shell and zone coverages and then

517
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: let your front seven eat, let your front four, for example,

518
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: dial those guys up. If you have a Zadarius Smith

519
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: and a Denil Hunter Dalvin Tomlinson, guess what you can

520
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: get away with playing some of those soft zones. Two

521
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: high safeties Harrison Smith who's lost his step but is

522
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: still effective just through his instincts and know how from

523
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: all those years. And that's exactly what the Cardinals don't have.

524
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we'd all agree the corners have

525
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: been much better than we thought going into training camp,

526
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: but they don't have those edge guys. They don't have

527
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: those game records. Now JJ Watt, Zach Allen, sure, but

528
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: those guys are a rotation and so now when those

529
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: guys are not in the game, there's a pretty serious

530
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: drop off of that Cardinals defensive front. And where are

531
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: the games off the edge? So with that in mind again,

532
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: you know, once a twenty four hours removed from the

533
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,239
Speaker 1: trade deadline, but if the Cardinals went out and if

534
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: the asking price for Bradley Chubb was a first round pick,

535
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: I would not be shocked. Adam Schefter did report Sunday

536
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: morning that there was at least one team willing to

537
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: give up a first round pick, and maybe even more.

538
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: Didn't name the team. Didn't name the team, but guess

539
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: what if that team was Arizona Cardinals, whose defensive coordinator

540
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: happens to be Bradley Chubb's former head coach with Denver.

541
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Speaker 1: Would you be shocked, No, not at all, but it

542
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: would I don't know if this team is that one

543
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: player away, edge rusher, corner, offensive lineman, whatever it may be.

544
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: They already made the trade for Robbie Anderson, but is

545
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: this team that one piece away? That would be That

546
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: would be my only concern. How much you're giving up?

547
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 1: And then is it a long term or is it

548
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: just a short term for the next nine games. I

549
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: agree with you on that they're not one player away. However,

550
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: they do need that player at that position long term.

551
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: How are you going to get that player? You know?

552
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: Is it going to be there? When you draft in

553
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: the first round, you know you have something the rest

554
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: of the division does not a first round pick, although

555
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: Seattle Seattle just went and police Denver with the Russell

556
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: Wilson trade, So I guess I gotta amend that it's

557
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: really the Niners and Rams who don't have first round picks.

558
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: But if you were to trade for a Bradley Chubb,

559
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: it would be mandated. You would have to get him

560
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: under a long term deal. He's up after the end

561
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: of this season. Is going to cost you a lot

562
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: of money, sure, but you just said twenty million a

563
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: year allocated to Chandler Jones. You had that under your

564
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: cap once upon a time, and I think you're realizing

565
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: just how valuable that guy is in his prime, not

566
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: the current iteration of Chandler Jones, who has half a

567
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: sack this year, and the Cardinals were very well served

568
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: not to invest in him long term. I think the

569
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: Raiders were dead last as a team in sacks going

570
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: into Week eight. It's quite an indictment on that offseason

571
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: signing of a Chandler Jones. And we all love chan

572
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: but he's just not that same player Bradley Chubb, who

573
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: basically is at the same point in his career and

574
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: a as a Chandler Jones was when he came over

575
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: from New England. So there's precedent for that sort of trade.

576
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: When Chandler Jones, Cardinals gave up a second and Jonathan Cooper, yep,

577
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: that was a steal by Steve Gime, absolutely fleecing in

578
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: New England. So once again all those factors, you know

579
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: what the Cardinals need, what they have in their staff

580
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: advanced Joseph, so they have intel. They would feel comfortable

581
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: if they did trade for him and it was a

582
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: double thumbs up from Vans Joseph, plus the precedent of

583
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: having done it once before and having it been a

584
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Speaker 1: home run and then figuring that they're going to have

585
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: to allocate money under the cap for that position anyway. Yeah,

586
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: all those factors combined, I could see it happening defense

587
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: for the second straight week, allowing an opponent to score

588
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: thirty four points offensively once again, same issues, rare their

589
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: ugly head, and a couple of different points on this one,

590
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: and you reported it during the broadcast. Kyle Murray wearing

591
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: a wristband with the plays on it, first time this

592
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: season and maybe first time in his career at least

593
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Speaker 1: that I can remember. Never seen that on his non

594
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: throwing forearm. Talked about it with the head coach post game.

595
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: They're huddling a little bit more. Yet despite huddling and

596
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: trying to slow things down, is that also slowing down

597
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: to where we're once again seeing issues with the play

598
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: clock and urgency waiting too long. Timeouts need to be burned,

599
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: you don't have them later in the game. That was

600
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: a consistent theme on Cardinal Talk because it has happened

601
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: weekly and fans, media, all of us, we're frustrated that

602
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: we're seeing the same thing weekend and week out. Yeah.

603
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: I tried to ask the question the postgame interview with

604
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury on the radio side. I just said, it

605
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: just continues to be a challenge, and I didn't know

606
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: I else to voice it because we've all asked it

607
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: so many different ways at different times. And he agreed.

608
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: He immediately readily agreed. Yeah, it's still a challenge. It's

609
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that a they're huddling up a

610
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: little bit more, trying to improve communication, break that huddle,

611
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: know exactly what they're gonna do. It's why I asked

612
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: him about the wristband, and he associated with huddling up.

613
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: I surmise because when you're in the huddle, you have

614
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: time to actually reference the wrist band and the laminated

615
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: playsheet or whatever is attached to that wristband on Kyler's

616
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: non throwing arm. I think also I talked to Billy

617
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: Price about this going into the Minnesota game. It helps

618
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: the new lineman because when a play is called, they

619
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Speaker 1: have a moment to say, okay, wait a minute, and

620
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: maybe confirm an assignment. If they need to, as opposed

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Speaker 1: to being up at the line of scrimmage on the

622
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: road a very noisy venue. Now you have zero communication

623
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Speaker 1: with anyone being able to try and confirm or deny

624
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to be able to do. So I

625
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: will say that Cliff Kingsbury did tell us on his

626
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: TV show starting last week that over the Mini by

627
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: they did a lot of self scouting and in his words,

628
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: and I'm quoting loosely, I think we found something with

629
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: huddling up, is what he said, meaning that he liked it.

630
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: It tended to calm everyone down a little bit. DeAndre

631
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: Hopkins was able to talk to guys in the huddle,

632
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: which was definitely beneficial. A lot of guys cited that,

633
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: but it didn't seem to have this same sort of

634
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: impact or benefit that maybe they expected against the Vike games.

635
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: Was it because of the noise, because it did get

636
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: very loud, yet late in the game it wasn't quite

637
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: as loud because the Cardinals had some momentum on their side.

638
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: Yet you're on a huddle, that's fine, but you can't

639
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: break the huddle with nine eight seven seconds on the playclock.

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Speaker 1: You can't by that point you have to burn a timeout.

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Speaker 1: So whether it's the call from the sideline or the

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Speaker 1: call from the quarterback to everyone else, I don't know

643
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Speaker 1: what the reasoning is. I know what the issue is,

644
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Speaker 1: and the issue hasn't been fixed as of yet through

645
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Speaker 1: eight games. Too often on the sideline, I can just

646
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Speaker 1: tell you. There's just it's just stressful. You're always you

647
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: always have half an eye on the playclock. It shouldn't

648
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Speaker 1: be that way. It's really sort of akin to preseason

649
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Speaker 1: when you have the third and fourth string quarterbacks in

650
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: there and a whole you know, you got ninety guys

651
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Speaker 1: on the roster, who's in the huddle, who's supposed to

652
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Speaker 1: be in the game. That's where things drag. That's where

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00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: you start pushing the play clock in the preseason a lot,

654
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Speaker 1: just because there's so why is that happened in the

655
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Speaker 1: middle of the regular season. Yeah, you have some new

656
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: parts in there, obviously new offensive lineman. But does it

657
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: go beyond that? And so no one quite knows. All

658
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: we know is it's too much of a topic. Yes,

659
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: too often, and it's played into the demise in the

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00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: inefficiency of the Cardinals offense to too much of a degree. Obviously,

661
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: at this point in the season. Cardinals used all three

662
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: of their second half timeouts and the fourth quarter and

663
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: did not have one on that final drive where things

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Speaker 1: again got hacked. It a minute fifty two to go,

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Speaker 1: no time out, you started ding thirteen yard line with

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Speaker 1: a chance to get the ball in the end zone,

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Speaker 1: go for two and send the game into overtime, and

668
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: again it didn't work. And you're always what's the last

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Speaker 1: image you have in the last image we have on

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Speaker 1: Sunday is Kyle Murray flat on his back yep, struggling

671
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Speaker 1: to get up. Whether that was because he got hit

672
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: hard or it was just the realization and the frustration

673
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: that here we are and where three and five and

674
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: he's got to go address the media. And I'll say this,

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00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: I thought he handled himself very well post game, taking

676
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: responsibility for the underthrow to Robbie Anderson that was picked off.

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00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: He and zach Ertz miscommunication. They still haven't been on

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00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: the same page for a consistent basis and others. What

679
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: you talked about when we addressed this game on Friday

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00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover two, that perhaps zach Ertz over

681
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: the middle would have a huge game, and it did not.

682
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,959
Speaker 1: Materialize that way. I mean zach Ertz, whether he says

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00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: it or not, I think he had a lot of

684
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Speaker 1: confidence against Harrison Smith. They've been going against each other

685
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 1: since they're what Stanford and Notre Dame days, they're they're

686
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: pretty much the same age. And then you know zach

687
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 1: Ertz against Jordan Hicks. Look, Jordan Hicks's liability has always

688
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: been in coverage. So Ertz was open. There's no doubt

689
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: he was open. But man Kyler and him just do

690
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: not connect. Two often, balls are behind him, they're off

691
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: the mark. I just that is one of the things

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Speaker 1: I truly don't understand about their inability. They leave so

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Speaker 1: many yards on the field Kyler and zach Ertz week

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Speaker 1: to week. That's got to be really frustrating. But Kyler

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00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: after the game, he was asked, Okay, does this feel

696
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Speaker 1: like at Seattle when you said things were feeling hard

697
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: and difficult, and he shut that down immediately said, no,

698
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: we move the ball, just mistakes. That was Kyler's comment.

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00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: All right, once again, everybody, now it's correctable. But if

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Speaker 1: it hasn't happened yet, what is your optimism level that

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Speaker 1: it's going to happen anytime soon? Instead of being you know,

702
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: some sort of you know, correctable problem. Instead, this is

703
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Speaker 1: a pattern and and and that's that's where at this point,

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00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: you know, you start to really question what's going on,

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00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: and it's it's obviously testing the fans buying at this

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Speaker 1: point that it's going to be resolved anytime soon. Let's

707
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Speaker 1: bring this full circle here on Cardinals cover too too

708
00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: many tricks, not enough treats for the Arizona Cardinals to

709
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Speaker 1: their fan base, as we met the Halloween reference once again. Cardinals. Yes,

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00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: three and five does not look good. But I'll talk

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00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 1: about it all week long, and I'm sure you will

712
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: as well. These three games, this three game stretch against

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Speaker 1: the NFC West, you run the table, you win two

714
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Speaker 1: out of three, and all of a sudden you're right

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00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: back into it. It just doesn't feel like this team

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00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: is capable of doing that based up what we've seen.

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Speaker 1: And think of the last time the Cardinals offense went

718
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: against the Seahawks defense, they were four sixteen on third down.

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Speaker 1: Think about that. Think about how they had zero touchdowns

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Speaker 1: in that game. On fourth down they were one of five.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's you know, you got a Seahawks team

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Speaker 1: coming in that's won six of its last eight in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: They're flying high there. They are smelling themselves something fierce

724
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: right now, the Seahawks, So there should be plenty of motivation.

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00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: You know, Geno Smith, you know, came out and didn't

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00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: have the greatest numbers, but guess what, he was very efficient.

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00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: And Kenneth Walker ripped off another touchdown run yesterday and

728
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: obviously he's cool the Cardinals and then eleven yards score

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00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter at Seattle. So you know, this

730
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: is a situation where, guess what, it is in front

731
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: of you, but the time is now. You come out

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00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: with another loss in the division home loss, you get

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00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: swept on the season series by Seattle. I don't care

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Speaker 1: how poor the rest of the NFC is. It's a

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00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: dire situation. And look if if JJ Watt can go

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Speaker 1: out there and have that sort of performance on what

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00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: you're guessing was a lot of short sleep being a

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Speaker 1: new dad, and he'd come out with a couple of

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00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: sacks at his age. I'll tell you a quick little anecdote.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard the very beginning of

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Speaker 1: the pregame show. I came out and I said just

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00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: sort of joking with Kyle Vannabosher Rob Frederickson that if

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Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson can predict a couple of interceptions, and guess what,

744
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: Pauli pensil Neck is predicting a couple of sacks today

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00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: for JJ Watt. Well, there's a double ding every once

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Speaker 1: in a while. Week back into it. But here's what happened.

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00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: It was four hours before kickoff. And I'm sure you've

748
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: seen some of the social media where JJ Watt likes

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Speaker 1: to come out way before the game and with a

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00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: cup of coffee and a man alone in his thoughts,

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00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: with his cup of coffee and sitting on a gatorade

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00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: bucket at the fifty yard line on the cardinal sideline.

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00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: Likes to do that on the road in particular, and

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00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: he'll do it at home sometimes too. Well. As he's

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00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: walking out into the field, because I was right there,

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00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: this security guy, the yellow jacketed security guy says, oh

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00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no no, sorry, sorry, mister Watt. And he said, um,

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00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 1: we can't have any beverages on the field, no coffee,

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00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: And JJ, to his credit, smiled sort of a rise smile,

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00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: like come on really, and the guy's like yeah. So

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00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: JJ says, sat there in the tunnel and finished his

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00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: coffee then he went out. So let me get this straight.

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00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: On that field, blood sweat, spit, Jared Allen's horse was

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00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: running across that field, not just at halftime, but about

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00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: fourteen times pregame as they're rehearsing that ring of on

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00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: Earth thing. So you can have all that out on

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00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: the field, but you canna have a JJ Watt holding

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00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: a half cup of coffee. I just I didn't get

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Speaker 1: did it all. And that's why I said before the game,

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Speaker 1: I said, you know what, the last thing you want

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Speaker 1: to do is is trigger and torque torque off JJ Watt.

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Speaker 1: And sure enough he made the Vikings pay with a

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Speaker 1: couple of sacks. Two better didn't come in a win

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Speaker 1: for JJ's sake. Two sacks, three quarterback hits in addition

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Speaker 1: two tackles and cool of tackles for loss as well. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you upset JJ Watt and he's gonna go off, and

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00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: he did it. Just unfortunate to your point, it did

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Speaker 1: not happen in a win and the Cardinals, you know,

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Speaker 1: that would have been a great, great story like the

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Speaker 1: what triggered JJ Watt and the Cardinals to win on

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00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: the road yet it falls short. Yea. And more importantly,

782
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Speaker 1: he happened to be wearing some cleats dedicated to his

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Speaker 1: newborn son. So I'm gonna put the whole coffee thing

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Speaker 1: second on the power pole of motivation behind the birth

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00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: of his firstborn. And uh, that was cool to see.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I actually got a couple of pictures of that,

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Speaker 1: and he chronicled that on social media as well. And

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Speaker 1: then the whole Jared Allen thing. You want my Jared

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Speaker 1: Allen story. By the way, this was about fifteen, maybe

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Speaker 1: even almost twenty years ago, whenever he was playing for

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00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. I was at a local gym,

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00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: you know, PAULI power after not so much. And I'm

793
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: in there as one of the local Hammond Eggers and

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00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: there's a guy, really tall, dude, looks athletic, not massively muscled,

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Speaker 1: throwing around an absurd amount of weight. I mean, and

796
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: whenever you see an NFL player in a regular gym

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00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: with regular people, the amount of weight they're throwing around.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, who is that? And I knows you

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Speaker 1: had Kansas City chief shorts on and I said, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jared Allen, local guy, Arizona guy who At first, I

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Speaker 1: thought they were profiling by the way, because they had

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00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: him on the horse and they had him on the

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Speaker 1: cowboy hat, And I'm like, come on, is that how

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00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: Minnesota's think of Arizona's everyone's a stinking cowboy on a

805
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: horse with a cowboy hat. But you know, obviously that's

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00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: that's that's Jared Allen. Yeah, that was his choice, that

807
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: was his deal, his theme. He owns some sort of

808
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: big ranch around here, and that's him. He's he's playing

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00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: Yellowstone like Kevin Costner, except for real. Maybe the Cardinals

810
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: can play football and play for a win coming up

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Speaker 1: on this Sunday against the Seattle Seahawks. Love story time

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00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: with Paul Kelveci. The antidotes that we get here you're

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00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: not going to get anywhere else. That's right. We have

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Speaker 1: the you have the forum here for some of the

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Speaker 1: sideline tales that time. You know, we just can't fit

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Speaker 1: into the whole, you know, TikTok and social media, you know,

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00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: time restraints that go on and the rest of the platforms.

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Speaker 1: It's a good way to put a ribbon around this

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hunday, proud partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. Much more on the week ahead

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Speaker 1: and with the Cardinals are facing with the Seahawks in

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Speaker 1: town a little bit later on this week special Thanks

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Speaker 1: as always to our executive producer Joe Mama Hundro for

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Speaker 1: Paul CALVESI I'm Craig Riel Lou. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: next time here on Cardinals Cover two.