1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: I will be your host Emily Simpson with We wanted 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: to do a bonus episode this week because if you 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: have been on social media or looking at the news 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: at all, I am sure you have seen this new 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: developing case of a young high school girl named Anna 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: Keepner who was just found a couple of weeks ago. 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: She was found dead on the Carnival cruise ship Horizon. Now, 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that we did the Amy Bradley case, 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: which was the disappearance off of a cruise ship. I 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: just want to cruise this summer with the boys, and 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: now we have another cruise ship incident. So I'm feeling 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: at this point maybe it's best to stay far away, 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: to stay on land at this point. So, Anna Keepner 15 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: was an eighteen year old high school senior from Titusville, Florida. 16 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: According to her family, Anna was a varsity cheerleader. 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: She was also a. 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: Gymnast, and she had recently completed the entrance test to 19 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: join the US military. Now, I have a question what 20 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: your thoughts are on this, because I was noticing that 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: whenever something happens to a young pretty girl, who is 22 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: a cheerleader. That is always part of the newsreel cheerleader, 23 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: and it's always part of the clickbait cheerleader, young cheerleader. 24 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: It doesn't ever say I mean technician. No, there's never 25 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: like case. Yes, I mean not in the headlines though, 26 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: But I'm saying whenever a girl is. 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: A cheerleadering, it describes a personality, I think, albeit stereotypical. 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: So you're saying, because of the bubbly, attractive, athletic. 29 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: Popular here Catholic Rob's bank, you'll hear Mormon Rob's bank. 30 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: That is very true. 31 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: You will always Mormon, will always be Mormon, will always 32 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: be in the title of something because it's clickbait, and 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: cheerleader will be in the title of something because it's 34 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: clickbait as well. You'll never see band member, you know, 35 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: there's nothing about people in the band, but always the cheerleader. 36 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: Okay. So Anna was on a sixth dade. 37 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, like you mean like trumpet player. 38 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's never, but if someone's a cheerleader, it's 39 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: always part of the title. So Anna was on a 40 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: six day Carnival Horizon cruise with her father, stepmother, and 41 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: three step siblings when she died. That actually hasn't been confirmed. 42 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: But that's basically what people are taking away from it 43 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: is that she was there with her dad, her biological dad. Also, 44 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: I've read in some articles and there's some controversy as 45 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: to whether the dad is actually married to the stepmother. 46 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: And if they are married, it's a very new marriage. 47 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: They might have to be married in order to be 48 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 3: a stepmother. Otherwise it's his girlfriend. So if they are married, 49 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 3: they're incorrectly referring to her as stepmother. 50 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 2: I think it's because. 51 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: Nothing has been confirmed, so people are saying stepmom, but 52 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: a lot of times I. 53 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 3: Mean, well, I actually I think I can clarify this 54 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: because I thought I read that this step mother was 55 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 3: currently in a divorce proceeding, and I assume that's with 56 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 3: her former husband or prior husband, not with the one 57 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 3: she was on the boat. 58 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: She's it's a custody issue. It's astody issue. 59 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 3: I saw divorce preceding slash child custody. 60 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: There might still be some pending divorce issues, and that 61 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: might be why maybe they're not married. I don't know, 62 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it a little bit later. 63 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 3: Well, I guess for a purposes of artist guession, it 64 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: doesn't really matter if they're married or not. 65 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: Right, No, but I guess either they're married and she's 66 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: a stepmother or they've been dating and she's a pseudo 67 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: stepmother type. So anyway, that's who we think that this 68 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: that they were on the cruise with. But we're saying, 69 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's other members of the family. 70 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: It hasn't been like officially confirmed by investigators who all 71 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: was on the cruise, but from rumblings in articles and 72 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: on social media from those news sources out there, boots 73 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: on the ground, the boots on the ground are saying 74 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: that it was the dad and then Anna, and then 75 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: his love interests, either his new wife or his girlfriend, 76 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: and then her children. So the cruise began on November 77 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: second and traveled from Miami to the Caribbean on the 78 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: morning of November seventh. Let's go back to November sixth. 79 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: I did read that on the evening of November sixth, 80 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: this is as the cruise ship is heading into port, 81 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: so I believe it's leaving Mexico or the Caribbean. 82 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: At this time. 83 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: There was a dinner on the ship. You know how 84 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: they have those white parties on the ship. You know, 85 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: the cruise ships always have. 86 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: Themes on in the evening times. 87 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 1: Right, there was a white party and there was a dinner, 88 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: and from what I understand, people are reporting that Anna 89 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: left the dinner early because she was saying she did 90 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: not feel well. Now as to where she went after that, 91 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: clearly and the FBI is investigating this. 92 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 3: So did she As far as we know, she left alone. Like, 93 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 3: I'm not feeling why she walked. 94 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: Away, I don't know, but I that's just an assumption 95 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: that maybe she left alone. But I have read multiple 96 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: sources that said that she was not feeling well at 97 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: that dinner and that she left. Now here's the question 98 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: as well. I don't know the arrangement of the rooms 99 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: on the crew. I don't know if she had a 100 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: room alone. I don't know if she was sharing with 101 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: some siblings. I don't know if this family had a 102 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: big suite and they were all in the same room. 103 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 3: Oh, we don't know a lot of things about this case. 104 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: We don't kind of stucky about it, right, But we're 105 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: just going to talk about what we and. 106 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: What we don't know, what we kind of know. 107 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: So on the morning of November seventh, I remember she 108 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: left the dinner. On November sixth, she was found dead 109 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: in her cabin by a housekeeper. Her body was wrapped 110 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: in a blanket or a sheet and covered with life 111 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: jackets and stuffed under a bed. First, of all those beds, 112 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: those beds in a cruise ship. I've been on multiple cruises. 113 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: There's not room under the bed. 114 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: Like like a hotel room. Right, there's no there. There's 115 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 3: very lazy goes all the way to the floor. There's 116 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: like a baseboard around it is that we can't put 117 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 3: stuff under there, like a body with life vests on 118 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: top of it. 119 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 2: Right, So I'm thinking there's. 120 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: A couch that maybe opened up, or maybe that. 121 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: Was it, because when the boys and I went, we 122 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: did have like a fold out bed Luke slept on, 123 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: so maybe it was something like that. 124 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 3: That's what I pictured. 125 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 126 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: So also her body was found around eleven am by 127 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: a maid because everyone on this ship was looking for 128 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: Anna at this time period. So the way I understand 129 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: it is she left in her early because she wasn't 130 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: feeling well. The next morning, all the family wakes up 131 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: and they all go to breakfast and they realize that 132 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: Anna is there. 133 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 3: I don't know if they shared a room or not. 134 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: We just know. 135 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: I don't know how the rooms were tivvied up. I 136 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: don't know the arrangement. 137 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: They go to breakfast the next morning, and that's when 138 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: everyone's kind of realizing that she's not showing up for 139 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: breakfast and they don't know where she is. Also, there 140 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: are nearly four thousand people on this ship and fifteen 141 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: hundred crew, so this is a mini city that's floating around. 142 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: So can you imagine if you lose someone on the ship, 143 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: Like we talked about with the Amy Bradley case, it 144 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: is a lot of ground decks spaces to cover to 145 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: find someone. 146 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 3: Well, in this case, with the so far the way 147 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 3: you've laid out the timeline, which I know we don't 148 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: have all the details, if you show up at breakfast 149 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 3: and your eighteen year old daughter isn't there, how would 150 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 3: you first look for her? 151 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: Why would immediately start calling, texting and go directly to 152 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: her room? 153 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: So my question is did they do any of that? 154 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: I don't know? 155 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 3: You know. 156 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: My other question is, and I'll ask you, because you 157 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: have children of every age group, you have older daughters 158 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: and then the three we have together. Let's say Shelby 159 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: left dinner early on a cruise and went to her room. 160 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: Would you not check on her that even before she 161 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: has twenty four? 162 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? I would. I would follow up that evening, how 163 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 3: are you doing? Right? And the siblings would right naturally 164 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 3: run into her or you know, chat with her or something. 165 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 3: There'd be some interaction, right. 166 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: So my question is, and we don't know this, was 167 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: anyone checking in on her? Were they texting? Did they 168 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: go by her room? I mean, if she left it 169 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: or not feeling well? What happened after that? So obviously 170 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: we don't know any of this. You know, right now 171 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: the FBI is investigating this because this happened in international waters, 172 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: so there's federal jurisdiction. 173 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: So this is why the FBI is involved. 174 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure right now at this point, they're pulling every 175 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: bit of surveillance video that they can find on the 176 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: ship that she's in. Oh yeah, be camera in every 177 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: corner in that boat, right, And they're also doing everything 178 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: possible to pull all the key card and text message 179 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: and text messages and very digitalt all the digital footprint exactly, 180 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: and they're piecing that all together to probably put together 181 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: a very detailed timeline of exactly where she was, where 182 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: she went, who was with her? 183 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: How long ago? Remind me of the Bradley case that. 184 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: Was in ninety or Eightye okay, So, see technology has 185 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: significantly crazed. 186 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 3: There's gonna be cameras on every corner, high quality, right, 187 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 3: documentary text messages, phone calls. 188 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: Right, and I like take care cards. Yeah, it's very easy. 189 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: I'm just guessing. 190 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: I'm not like a video expert, but I assume that 191 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: you can probably upload an image of her into some 192 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: type of software where it can specifically look for her face, 193 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: like facial recognition. So I'm sure that's what's going on 194 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: right now. Why did you just look at me like 195 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: I was an idiot when I said that. 196 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: That good facial recognition? Yeah? Right, it was impressive. 197 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: Oh thank you? Are you just blown away right now 198 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: that I said? 199 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 3: That's not blown away? But it's interesting that you've noticed 200 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 3: that also. 201 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: So the Miami Dade County Medical Examiner lists her time 202 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: of death as eleven seventeen am on November seventh. You know, 203 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: I've read this over and over in the articles, and 204 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: I was so confused by this because the timeline is 205 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: November six. She leaves dinner November seventh, she's not at breakfast. 206 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: November seventh, at eleven am, the maid finds her, and 207 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: then at eleven seventeen am it says it's her time 208 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: of death. I don't think that's accurate. I think that's 209 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: the time that she was examined by someone on board, 210 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: a medical examiner or someone and declared her dead at 211 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: eleven seventeen am. 212 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: Isn't that how it always works? So what do you 213 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 3: mean I'm. 214 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: Saying that's not the time of death. 215 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: I'm saying, no, that was a time declared dead. 216 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, because there's a lot of articles that are 217 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: that are reporting that her time of death was eleven 218 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: seventeen am. 219 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, that does not make any sense. 220 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: She was found dead at a dead at eleven am, 221 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: she was declared dead at eleven seventeen. That's not the 222 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: actual time of death. That's just when someone. 223 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: I'm guessing your point is we may never know the 224 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 3: actual time of death because now the bodies is thrown 225 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 3: in a morgue and if it's preserved, I don't know 226 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 3: if they can still determine the time of death. Right. 227 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: You know, that is another thing to talk about. You're 228 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: talking about a cruise ship, which is a moving city. Now, 229 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: if someone dies in a house under suspicious circumstances, you 230 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: leave the body where it is and. 231 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: Then you call police. 232 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: CUSI yes, that's what you do when you find dead bodies, right, 233 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: I don't touch them, right, you don't touch it, and 234 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: then the crime scene investigators come. 235 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: They don't move the body. They take this. 236 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 3: Photo usual circumstances. 237 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: This is an unusual circumstance. So her body was clearly 238 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: moved as soon as it was found, because. 239 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: I don't know was it. I believe so sometime after 240 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 3: it was found. 241 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: Right, because first of all, you're on a ship. You 242 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: can't leave it in the room because you're sailing through 243 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: the Caribbean. 244 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 3: It's one hundred degrees obviously. But I don't know the procedure, 245 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 3: but I guess the procedure would be in lieu of 246 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 3: keeping it secured the way it is preserved, you know, 247 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 3: mounts a ton of photos, preserving the evidence, putting them 248 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 3: in bags, labeling where it was found, so you don't 249 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 3: lose the chain of custody. I don't know what they did, though, but. 250 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 2: I doubt any of that it was done because. 251 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: You don't you don't have the may probably finish clean 252 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: the maid probably called someone and you know, and then 253 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: the medical examiner. There's always the doctor on the ship, right, 254 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: So then the doctor probably came and declared her dead. 255 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: And then I'm sure I didn't know this, but they're 256 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: all cruise ships have some kind of morgue on them 257 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: because people die on cruise ships. So you have to 258 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: have somewhere to preserve the body in a cold space 259 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: before you get to your next port. 260 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 3: That's right downstairs, next to the galley. 261 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 2: Usually what's the galley? 262 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 3: Isn't that where they cook? 263 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 2: I don't know. There's lots of decks. There's lots of 264 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: going on. 265 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: Okay, Anyway, we were talking about when you're when the 266 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: body's on a cruise ship, you don't have a normal 267 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: investigation like you would if someone died in a house, right, 268 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: because you're it's a city moving on the water of investigation. 269 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: They the bodies and way you know, they're floating in water. 270 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: It's going through the Caribbean. It's one hundred degrees out, 271 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: there's humidity. So I'm sure I don't know this, but 272 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: I would suspect that they immediately moved the body to 273 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: the morgue of the ship. 274 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 3: Right. We can only hope that they preserved by video 275 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 3: or photo photography or something and documenting everything, right, and then. 276 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: So that was on November seventh. 277 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: Then November eighth is when the cruise ship docked back 278 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: into its port in Miami, and there I actually saw 279 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: some video of the body being removed from the ship 280 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: and put into the medical examiner's van. All right, so 281 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: let's talk about there is a possible suspect out there 282 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: as of right now, so criminal charges may be filed 283 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: against one of Anna's step siblings who is a minor. 284 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: This actually came up onto. 285 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: The radar because the FBI has not said anything and 286 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: has not released any information. 287 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 2: Also, the dad yes, because. 288 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: If they don't release information and they're not talking about it, 289 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 3: that means they know something and they're looking to do it. 290 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: They don't wan want it out there. 291 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 3: They want to Yeah, they don't want to spoil it 292 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 3: or cause someone flee. 293 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: Also, the father, Chris Kepner, has said that he does 294 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: not know anything and he has very little information and 295 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: that they're just basically waiting to hear things. But in 296 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: an emergency motion filed on Monday, November seventeenth, and Brevard County, Florida, 297 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: Kepner's stepmom, her name is Sean Tell Hudson, requested to 298 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: delay divorce proceedings from her ex husband because of quote 299 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: an extremely sensitive and severe circumstance and cited quote the respondent. 300 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: She's the respondent, he's the petition, which means her ex 301 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: is the one that is filing. He's the moving party, 302 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: so she's responding. There are discussions with FBI investigators and 303 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: her attorneys that a criminal case may be initiated against. 304 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: One of her minor children. 305 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: So the court filing identifies the teenager with the initials T, 306 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: and according to documents, he is living with a relative 307 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: in the meantime to protect the safety of his younger 308 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: sister and his other siblings. 309 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: I read that he's sixteen. 310 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's accurate because they haven't really 311 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: sed any information, but of course there's a lot of 312 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: online sluice out there. I'm sure there's some family that 313 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: is talking. I also read his name is Tim. I 314 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: don't know if that's true either, but it does say 315 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: his initials are THH and that he's sixteen. Now the 316 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: question is was he sharing a room with her? Did 317 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: he go back with her? Because I did also read 318 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: and this was from a post by someone that claims 319 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: to be part of their family. His name's Martin Donnahue. 320 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: Everybody's kind of talking about this. Martin Donahue made a 321 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: post on Twitter, I believe, talking about the incident and 322 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: saying that Anna was murdered by one of her step 323 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: siblings and that after he beat her and wrapped her 324 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: in blankets and put her under the bed and then 325 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: covered her with all the life jackets and everything, that 326 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: then he slept on the bed that night and stayed 327 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: the night. 328 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 3: Well, this is all speculator. 329 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: We don't really know this, No, we don't, but I'm 330 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: just talking about what he has posted. And then it 331 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: has been I know there were some other people that 332 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: did some investigating. Apparently the name Donahue is part of 333 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: the family. There's a lot of Donahues that follow her 334 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: on social media and things like that. 335 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 3: So did he hire the Murdog firm to represent. 336 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: Him, No, I don't know. 337 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: Anyway, after he made this post, he did take it down, 338 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: So a lot of people are talking about the validity 339 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: of it, whether he's actually part of the family. He 340 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: did seem to know a lot of details about the incident, 341 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: so you know, here's the thing too, Sean tell is 342 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: the stepmom if it was her son that committed this 343 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: act against Anna, and then she's married to Anna's father. 344 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 2: I mean talk about I. 345 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: Mean, how do you stay I mean, how do you 346 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: continue to stay married to someone? 347 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: I mean talk about just a. 348 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: Horrible familial situation going on. So the post I was 349 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: talking about by Martin Donahue has since been deleted. While 350 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: no charges have been filed publicly, the motion explicitly states 351 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: that the possibility of charges against a minor sibling are pending. 352 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: So that's why everyone is now knowing that this sibling 353 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: is possibly the instigator or the perpetrator of this crime 354 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: against Anna is because of a separate family law issue 355 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: where the stepmom has custody and divorce proceedings going on 356 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: with her other ex who is the father of the 357 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: three siblings. And she's asking just in Layman's terms, because 358 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: what I read was legal terms and Layman's terms saying Hey, 359 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to go to court and show up 360 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: and talk about custody issues and divorce proceedings that have 361 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: to do with my children. I'm going to I want 362 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: to take the fifth because one of these minor children 363 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: might be a criminals might being right, and is involved 364 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: in this FBI investigation. 365 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 2: So we need to continue this. 366 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 3: Like a question might be, does your son get along 367 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 3: with his stepsister? 368 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: Right? 369 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 3: So have they ever fought before? 370 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: Exactly? So that's what she's asking for. We don't know 371 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: the outcome of that. I guess a judge has to 372 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: rule on that, So we'll continue to follow that. 373 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 3: So. 374 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: Adam Pollock is a defense attorney who reviewed the case, 375 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: and he said, in regards to Anna's stepmother quote, she 376 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: has not identified herself as a target of a criminal investigation. 377 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: She basically said that she's afraid that anything she could 378 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: say could be used against her children. I think, miss Hudson, 379 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: that's the stepmother has now propelled her children into the 380 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: new spotlight needlessly. The FBI was not broadcasting that they 381 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: were conducting a criminal investigation of the children. 382 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 3: You know. 383 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: That was my other thought too, was by putting that 384 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: in black and white explicitly in her divorce slash custody 385 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: battle over here in this. 386 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,719 Speaker 2: Family law case. Yeah, people found that, you know what 387 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 2: I mean? 388 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't know if the attorney, if 389 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: that was smart of the attorney to draft that that way. 390 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, but then alternatively it would have been she'd have 391 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 3: to testify or be deposed. 392 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: No, but I'm saying he could have asked for maybe 393 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: an ex party hearing in front of the judge or 394 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: in like a closed. 395 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 2: Hearing or something. 396 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm just saying he explicitly put in the documents that 397 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: the minor child was involved in an FBI investigation, and 398 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: now everyone's all over that. Yeah, I'm saying I think 399 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: there was a way to do that without putting it 400 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: out there. But I mean, that's what the attorney did. 401 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: I would be I would be livid if my attorney 402 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: did that. Now the news are all over the place 403 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: reporting that my you know, minor child is involved in 404 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: an FBI investigation. I'm saying that was all under wraps 405 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: until the family law attorney drafted that and filed it 406 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: with the. 407 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: Court, and now it's all out there. 408 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 3: Right. 409 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: So, investigators are now reviewing surveillance video from the ship 410 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: and analyzing electronic swipe card data which we talked about 411 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: that may show who entered the teen's cabin. Law enforcement 412 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: officials are saying they are also examining I. 413 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 3: Wonder if the teen's cabin means it was hers as 414 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 3: opposed to the family's cabin. 415 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: Well, I'm assuming that this family went on the ship 416 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: and that the mom and dad shared a room and 417 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: then the siblings somehow share a room or shared two rooms. 418 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: Maybe so yeah, so, but I just we don't know 419 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: exactly how it was broken up, but I or maybe 420 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: she was in a room alone and then the other 421 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: three siblings shared a room. 422 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 3: You know. That's ah because if there was a room 423 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 3: being shared, then that would paint a different picture as 424 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 3: to what could have happened or the timeline of events. 425 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 3: And if that was her room only, again, that would 426 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 3: be different questions. So it's like if she shared a 427 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 3: room and be like, well, when's the last time someone 428 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 3: saw her when they went to breakfast, Why didn't she 429 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 3: go with them? Or was she there? And then if 430 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 3: she had her room alone, that would explain why they 431 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 3: all showed up at breakfast without her, assuming she would 432 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: be there, But then they would also my question would 433 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 3: be did they go to the room. That's what I 434 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 3: would do, Go to the room, call her, text her right, 435 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 3: not just go to the authorities and say my daughter's missing. Yeah, 436 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 3: which I don't know if that's. 437 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: What they did right, Well, we don't have a clear 438 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: timeline obviously of what has happened. I also read and 439 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: saw some podcasts where people were alleging that they had 440 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: heard that the minor son confessed to his stepmother that 441 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: she was not alive and then that's how she was found. 442 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: But that conflicts with the reporting that the maid found her. 443 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: So again there's this whole lot of. 444 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 3: We usually have these true crime homicides where there's a 445 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: lot of questions. Yeah, this takes the gig. This is 446 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 3: one where we have a lot of questions and hopefully 447 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 3: we can it can develop and we can start to 448 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 3: address those. 449 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: Well, this is because it's very new. Actually, her memorial 450 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: is on the twentieth and then I don't know, maybe 451 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: there'll be more information released. It's the issues you're dealing 452 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: with minors, and you're dealing with a cruise ship and 453 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: they have to gather all their evidence. 454 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: So that's where we're out. 455 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 3: So what happened and there's Yeah, it's just that's a 456 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 3: tough one. But I bet you that's why it's under 457 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 3: wraps because they're gathering a lot of data and they'll 458 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 3: say anyone to say anything one way or another. Until 459 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 3: they have what they know on their end, and then 460 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 3: they can ask the proper questions and they can release what 461 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 3: they want to the public to see if the public 462 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 3: has anything to add. 463 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 2: You know what else? 464 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: I was thinking with a cruise ship. First of all, 465 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: you've got four thousand people on the ship. Then at 466 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: docks in Miami right on November eighth, and everybody leaves 467 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: the cruise ship. 468 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 3: Fifty five hundred people, right, was it four thousand, fifteen 469 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 3: hundred crew member? Right? 470 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: So we got yes, close to over five thousand people 471 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: on this ship. It docks in Miami on November eighth. 472 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: Everybody leaves a cruise ship. Now the FBI has to 473 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: hunt down everybody that was rooming next to her right 474 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: or may have seen something. 475 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 3: I mean, they're going to certainly, but they may not 476 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 3: know who that is until they review all the day. 477 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: Right. 478 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 3: But I'm saying, now, oh no, there was a murder 479 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 3: when they docked. 480 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: I don't know, that's a good question. 481 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody was on the cruise ship 482 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: that is listening to this, can you please DM me 483 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: and give me the inside scoop? Were you aware that 484 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: there that there was a girl that had died. Were 485 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: you aware that she was possibly murdered? It was ruled homicide. 486 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 2: We know that. 487 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 3: I don't know. 488 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: I just wanted I need more details, I need some 489 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: inside information. 490 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 3: Where was this cruise based out of Florida? 491 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 2: It went Miami to Caribbean and then back to Miami. 492 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 3: I believe you wonder if a funny thought would be 493 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 3: like if someone was on the poop cruise and then 494 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 3: they got a voucher to go on another cruise, and 495 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 3: then then they go on the murder cruise. 496 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, and they're like, I'm done the cruises. 497 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: So what happens when a juvenile is involved in a homicide? So, 498 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: when a juvenile is involved in the death of another person, 499 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: whether the act was intentional or accidental, they can be 500 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: charged under the broad category of criminal homicide, which covers 501 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: all unlawful killings and serious cases. Especially when the youth 502 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: is sixteen or older. The court may move the case 503 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: from the juvenile system to adult criminal court. That was 504 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: another thing I was thinking about because even though this 505 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: isn't confirmed, I read that this alleged. 506 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 3: You know, the homicide, the perpetrator, the person of interest such, yes. 507 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 2: The suspect. 508 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: Thank you is sixteen, which that's a pivotal age because 509 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: he could possibly be tried as an adult. So when 510 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: a minor is accused of murder, which is when someone 511 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: deliberately takes another person's life, or when they intentionally inflict 512 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: serious harm that would reasonably be expected to result in death, 513 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: a conviction can carry a mandatory minimum sentence of around 514 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: thirty years, with no opportunity for parole during that period. 515 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: In situations involving particularly vulnerable victims, for example a child 516 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: under fourteen who was sexually abused before being killed, or 517 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: when the victim is a law enforcement. 518 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 3: Officer, which applies to this miner, right, the. 519 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: Punishment can increase significantly, right, So why does the FBI 520 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: have to deal with matters that happen on cruise ships 521 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: while in international waters, like in the Amy Bread lays. 522 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 3: Because there's no state that has jurisdiction, right, right, I 523 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 3: mean in layman's terms, which is all we really need 524 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,239 Speaker 3: to know is they're not within a state. And in 525 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: this circumstance, it took place while in the waters, not 526 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 3: in a port or anything. So the steps in. 527 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: Exactly So what is Anna's family said? So her obituary 528 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: read quote Anna was pure energy, bubbly, funny, outgoing, and 529 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: completely herself. She never had a filter, and that was 530 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: part of her charm, whether she was practicing new makeup looks, 531 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: even if she had nowhere to go, making tiktoks in 532 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: front of the mirror, or blasting a perfectly curated playlist 533 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: on the boat. Anna lived every day with her whole heart. 534 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: She loved the sun, the water, boat day's island and 535 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: beach days, anything that let her soak in the light. 536 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,959 Speaker 1: She so easily radiated to others. Her relatives find comfort 537 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: in knowing Anna lived her eighteen years to the fullest. 538 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: She was an athlete who began gymnastics at the age 539 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: of two and later joined her high school varsity cheerleading team. 540 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: She loved being near the water, earning her boater's license 541 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: and scuba certification. Anne enjoyed shopping, makeup and spending time 542 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: with friends. Anna was especially close to her grandmother, her 543 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: family has said, who affectionately called her Anna Banana. And 544 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of videos because she liked to 545 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: make TikTok videos, and she had gone on a cruise 546 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: prior to the one that she had died on. I 547 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: believe back in May of this year with her grandfather 548 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: and grandmother for her birthday, and. 549 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 2: It was cute. I saw a lot of her videos 550 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 2: that she made. 551 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: Her grandfather was in the background and her grandmother was 552 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: in some and so you know, it's just it's such 553 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: a sad situation that this bright eighteen year old that 554 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 1: was going to go into the military, that had this 555 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: full life ahead of her to live, goes on a cruise, 556 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: which clearly is one of her favorite things to do, 557 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: and something horrible happened to her. 558 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 3: Well, now family's destroyed too, you know, fathers without a daughter, 559 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 3: the mother, and the siblings, if one was involved, they're 560 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 3: going to be you know, their life is going to 561 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 3: go down. 562 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 2: The dream so right, So well, thank you for listening. 563 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 3: And if you're going to have more updates right hopefully. 564 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: Well, no, we're going to continue to follow this case. 565 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: This is clearly the tip of the iceberg. I mean, 566 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: once someone I am assuming that there'll be an arrest 567 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: that comes at some point and there'll be more information 568 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: that comes out, and we will follow this case and 569 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: keep you updated on it. But thank you for listening. 570 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: If you have any insight information, please dm me. I 571 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: would love to hear from someone. 572 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 3: I know who did it. Yes, I would love. 573 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: To hear from someone that was on the Horizon cruise 574 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: November two through the eighth on the Horizon, the Carnival 575 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: ship the Horizon. So if you're out there, please reach 576 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: out to me. And again, you guys, thank you so 577 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,479 Speaker 1: much for listening. And just a reminder, we are on 578 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: our own feed now legally Brunette, So all you have 579 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: to do is google legally Brunette. It should take you 580 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: right to our feed. You can listen to all of 581 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: our episodes there. And also we still have a couple 582 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: of episodes that go into two Tea's, so make sure 583 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: you continue to listen to to Te's and you can 584 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: find some of our episodes there as well. 585 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 2: So thank you so much for listening. We appreciate you. 586 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 3: Thank you,