WEBVTT - Part One: Inside Fox News with Katy and Cody 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:06.520 What's slowly destroying the brains of the people who raised 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:13.240 us my various Rupert Murdoch properties. I'm Robert Evans, host 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:16.680 Stuff Behind the Bastards, and today we have a very 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.960 special episode. Before we get into that, I'm going to 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:24.640 bring on my my co hosts, my once in Future 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:33.000 podcast buddies, Cody Johnston and Katie Stove Daniel forty five 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:37.599 straight seconds of air horns here, followed by a lap track. Yeah, beepeep, 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:45.839 How's how's everything going? Midc Yeah? Yeah, oh wow, Cody, 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.159 I might try to have you do a couple of 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.440 Murdoch lines for us, a little bit like Ringo. To me, 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.480 it sounds a little bit like my Boston and Colson. 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:59.240 It would be so much, It would be so good if, 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:01.760 like his historically, you could go back in time and 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.480 switch them so that, like Tucker, Carlson was kind of 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.760 the most replaceable beetle and Ringo was a fascist on 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:19.080 mets um. Anyway, how are you? How are you guys? Oh, Robert? Okay, 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:24.640 more specific question, have any of you, like had a 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.720 complications among your loved ones as a result of a 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:37.080 Rupert Murdoch property. I just laughed, and it's been a 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.440 thing that has complicated my life with a number of 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:41.440 family members, and it's a kind of a thing that like, 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:43.360 I have a couple of cousins, and every now and 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.640 then we'll talk, like, you know, something will be going around, 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:49.840 so to speak. I'm trying to be vague in the 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.400 interests of like family piece. Something will be going around 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.080 and we'll be like, yeah, it's fucking Tucker Carlson or 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:58.440 whatever like started started this saying this bullshit. Now a 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.000 bunch of the people, bunch of the very nice people 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.600 who raised me, believe something terrible. Um, and it's it's 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:10.520 deeply frustrating, it's very effective. Yeah, it's um, it's and 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:15.560 it's it's been kind of this black box up until recently, 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.880 Like every now and then you would get these lawsuits 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:21.280 involving Fox, you know, and a bit, one little bit 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.040 of it would go viral and you'd see in like 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.880 all of the lefty newspapers whatever, Oh Fox argues that 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.960 they're not you know, a news agency or whatever, that 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:33.600 it's a character or yeah. But we we we we 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.640 haven't gotten like a tremendous amount of detail about what 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.840 inside the company looks like until very recently. Now, you 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.359 have y'all been paying much attention to the Dominion lawsuit 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:48.320 against Fox News. No, it's no that that's that's good, 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:52.959 you're I'm aware of it. So there are there are yeah, yeah, 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.960 there are two big lawsuits that Fox is fighting off 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.840 right now. One is from Dominion Voting Systems, which is 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.359 in I think twenty eight states, and it's a one 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.880 point six billion dollar defamation suit. And there's also a 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:09.000 two point six billion dollar defamation lawsuit from Smart Mattock, 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.440 which I think was only in one state. But there 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.560 were a bunch of Fox allegations that they were like 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.280 hacking the election. We'll get into the details of all 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.880 this in a little bit, but um, it's it's been 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:22.600 interesting because you know, for years and years and years 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.320 there have been Fox has been what I would morally 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.800 consider not in a legal sense because they haven't been 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:29.440 found guilty this in a legal sense, but I would 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.600 morally consider them to be doing slander on a pretty 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.360 regular basis against a wide variety of people. I think 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:40.320 that's fair, Yeah, fair statement to make a fair statement 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:47.240 of protected opinion. But Dominion chose to fight back, and 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:48.920 I you know, I think there's an argument to be 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:50.920 made that they had more of a solid legal ground 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:52.680 than a lot of the people that Fox has targeted 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.680 over the years, or that Fox personalities have targeted over 0:03:55.680 --> 0:04:01.000 the years. Um but they they they sue Fox, and 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.680 throughout twenty twenty two, they put together this team of 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:07.440 lawyers who started running through a laundry list of Fox 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.800 News producers, line executives, and on air personalities and in 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.600 deposing them. Right, so, you sit someone down, You sit 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.440 Sean Hannity down, you sit Tucker Carlson down, you sit 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.279 Lachlan Murdoch down, who who's probably going to be the 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.320 heir to Rupert Murdock's fortune, and you ask them questions 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:25.080 about what happened in you know, this kind of spate 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:29.760 of disinformation, and if they lie, they can go to jail, 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.040 right Like it's a crime to lie in a deposition. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.400 And in order to help enforce that, there's also a 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:39.159 process called discovery where Dominion's lawyers got access to what 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:43.920 seems to be a mountain of text messages, memos, emails 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:49.400 from Fox personalities in order to hold them accountable because 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.080 you can actually see what they were saying to each 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:54.040 other in addition to what they claim during the deposition 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.520 and the questions that Dominion asked. They spread well beyond 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:01.559 kind of just the specific allegation Fox personalities made against 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.719 Dominion and went more broadly into Fox company culture and 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:10.839 how decisions filtered both up and down from management. And yeah, 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:12.839 it's as a result, it's given us kind of the 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.039 most complete look inside Fox and the most complete look 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.560 at like the kind of human beings who work there 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:23.000 and how they talk amongst themselves, and how they kind 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:27.400 of what they see, like the moral universe they inhabit 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:29.280 in a way that I never thought we actually were 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:33.159 going to get evidence of. And so that's what I 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.880 want to go into this week because there's there's a 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.680 tremendous amount here. It's worth noting before we start that 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:44.200 Fox is in actually some potentially serious financial trouble. We're 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:48.760 talking between these two lawsuits, somewhere around four billion dollars 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.760 that they could be found liable for. And this is 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.080 in addition to the one point two billion that Fox 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.159 is paid over the last decade due to the phone 0:05:56.200 --> 0:06:00.000 hacking scandal that racked the Sun and News of the World. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.160 You're both UK Murdoch properties, are you? Did you guys 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.720 hear remember do you guys recall much about the phone 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.279 hacking scandal. Not a lot of details, but I remember 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.680 the basic story. Yeah, the gist of it is that 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:16.160 Rebecca Brooks, who edited both of those publications and went 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.440 on to lead their UK publishing arm, and Andrew Colson, 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:21.599 who was an editor at News of the World, and 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:25.680 five of the papers journalists conspired to hack the voicemails 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:30.040 of more than six hundred people over a six year period. Yeah, 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:33.880 it's so. They hacked like a bunch of public figures 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.120 and celebrities. But what really got them in trouble was 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:40.600 they hacked the voicemail of a murdered schoolgirl, um, in 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:44.200 order to like what, Yeah, it's fucked up like that 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:48.400 is unbelievable. I mean it's no, it's unbelievable. Yeah, I 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.800 mean it, Yeah, it's it's I think what's really unbelievable 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.680 is that Rupert Murdoch claimed whence this came public, that 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.880 he'd had no knowledge of it. Um, he told me 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.080 this is very fun. Actually, Cody, I'm gonna I'm gonna 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.680 toss this text into the into the chat and you 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:07.680 can you can do your Rupert Murdock boys. Oh god, yeah, 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:14.920 you're a really good Foilfield people I trusted. I'm not 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.120 saying who let me down? And I think they behaved 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:22.360 disgracefully and it's time for them to pay. Wow, I 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.160 think you're the one that led us all down by 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:28.760 that accent. No, I think that's a flawless Aussie. Thank you. 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:34.280 I just mean I've worked on it. Yeah, it's it's okay. 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.440 Most people who do an Australian accent it just winds 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.920 up really Boston. So you know, I'm glad that I 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:48.560 got New Zealand that happened crooking. So that's that's very funny. 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:52.560 Um that he's like, oh, those bad Fox News reporters, 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.320 I'm gonna make him pay. I had no idea this 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.080 was happening as the CEO of Fox News. A lot 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:01.760 of people wondered whether, you know, sorry, I'm sorry, like 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.240 it's time for them to pay. Is such a weird 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:09.040 thing like phrasing for like you could make that happens. 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:14.960 Yeah yeah, yeah, like be you know, taken to account 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.960 or like yeah there should be consequences, like it's time 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:23.840 for them to pay. Such a who phrasing whoever needs 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:27.720 to kill them is what he's saying. Yeah, Okay, um, yeah, yeah, 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:31.120 it's yeah, it's it's it's good, good old fashioned, weasely bullshit. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:36.199 So now, obviously, legally I can't say that Rupert certainly 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.240 knew something. But we are in the United States and 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.560 I can say which I couldn't say if we were 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.559 in the UK. It seems kind of weird and suspicious 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.640 that he wouldn't know anything about this massive hacking scandal 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:51.200 as journalists and editors engaged in. And while I'm not 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:53.280 going to push much further than that, because he is 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.079 a billionaire with a lot of lawyers, what I will 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.800 do is quote a Fox News article about the UK 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:03.920 Parliamentary Committee investigation into the hacking scandal. Quote from Fox News. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.160 Although Rupert Murdoch and his son James were not accused 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:10.439 of misleading parliament, the committee said it was simply astonishing 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.840 that they only realized that the hacking was not confined 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.880 to one rogue reporter in December of twenty ten. The 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.679 report said that they should ultimately be prepared to take 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:23.400 responsibility for the willful blindness of News International and News 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.199 Corporation over the scandal. Aside from the four hundred and 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:32.559 fifty four million they spent on legal fees. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.320 that's good stuff. So sketchy as that all was. The 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.800 phone hacking scandal did not wind up doing Murdoch or 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:42.640 News Corp any like permanent harm. But Dominion's lawsuit included 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:46.480 not only depositions under oath, but again this expansive discovery process. 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:50.560 So suddenly we know exactly what Rupert Murdoch's involvement was 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:54.520 here to a degree of legal certainty. I should also 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.520 note here because it's very funny that dominions lawyers to 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:04.280 post Sean Hannity for more than seven hours and honestly, 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.760 moment of silence for those lawyers because they had to 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:12.360 talk to Sean Hannity for seven hours. Brutal, that's hazard pay. 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.079 Yeah yeah, I hope they hope they have. They had 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:18.480 to take frequent breaks. Yeah, they needed some MDMA and 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:22.880 a therapist. Shit. So the bulk of the questions asked 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.120 and materials provided have to do with discussions around the 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.280 decision of several major Fox stars to host Sydney Powell 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:32.760 on their pro Remember Sidney Powell, Yeah, she was a 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.680 former lawyer for Donald Trump who filed lawsuits in numerous 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.960 states attempting to overturn the results of the election. Now 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.720 she spent most of her time since twenty twenty fighting 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:45.520 disbarment hearings. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like she's going to 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.240 get disbarred. I think the case wound up being in Texas. 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.440 But in the heavy days after November second, she started 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.600 massaging a collection of deeply questionable sources to argue that Dominion, 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.200 which ran voting machines in twenty eight states and smart 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.000 Mattock quote ran an algorithm that shaved votes from Trump 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.439 and awarded them to Biden. There's a lot more to 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:05.920 her allegations, and we'll cover those presently, but that's what 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.000 you need to go to start. And before we get 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.440 into all that, I wanted to begin this episode by 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.720 giving you guys an example of how good journalists treated 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:15.640 Sydney Powell, because we're going to spend most of this 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.120 time talking about how Fox did. I want to play 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.319 a clip from an interview she did with an Australian journalist, 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.120 so Cody, you can brush up on your accent working 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:27.880 for ABC four Corners, an Australian news agency. Yeah, it's 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:33.760 it's it's good stuff that Smartmatic shifted votes from Trump 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:37.040 to Biden in multiple battleground states. That was your argument, 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:41.120 wasn't it that there was an algorithm run the machines 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:46.160 via the software of it, shaved votes from Trump and 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:50.360 gave those Biden. What actual research or bactricking did you 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.840 do at the time to find out what smartmatics actual 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.840 involvement in the election was. If you work for smart matter, 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:05.480 Smartematic that the election. I think it's incumbent on both 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.840 of us to know what smart matos involvement was. It 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:12.240 seems like a pretty foundational fact. Confused right now about 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:16.840 why you're here because you made a series of very 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:24.040 strong allegations against smart Mating, containing many errors of fact. 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.920 Do you accept the fact now that the company that 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:29.880 you accused of stealing a national election only operated in 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:34.200 one county in LA in California, one county, one state. No, 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:37.920 I'm not prepared to accept that fact. I think smartmatics 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.280 involvement was far more significant than that. I think they're 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.880 trying to minimize their involvement, of course, I do. You 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:47.680 said that smart matic owns dominion. How do you justify 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:57.320 the basic factory error interview. We're not even in the 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:02.320 area of great dispute. These are the simple and she 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:07.960 gets up, what did she think this was? What did 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:12.719 she think she was showing up for? Which she interview like, 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:17.440 I love fuck Sydney. Legitimately, what did you think they 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.600 were going to ask? Think they were going to do 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:26.480 what Fox did? Actually, I think is the answer. It's like, 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:32.080 can you tell me you're just any any reason for 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.080 you to have made these claims? Do you work for them? Yeah? 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.120 Do you have any evidence that they were present in 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.920 more than one county in Los Angeles? Can you show 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:45.080 your work, Sydney. It's a simple question, Sydney. Um. We 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.439 will talk about where her what her sources later And 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.599 I don't want to spoil it, but it involves decapitation. 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.960 So yeah, I know, I know, I know that's going 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.720 to be started that word. I thought you were going 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:03.240 to say, DiCaprio no, but no, no, no. I do 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.800 believe everyone involved was older than twenty one, so he 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:09.240 was unlikely that we have played a role. Yeah. Yeah, 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.560 So we will continue our main source for today with 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.720 our main source for today, which is the public version 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.679 of a filing by Dominion Voting Systems against Fox News. 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.400 This is a brief in support of Dominion's motion for 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.880 summary judgment on liability. I'm going to explain the legally shortly. 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.720 The document opens up with several quotes, however, and I 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:31.680 think these are interesting. Quote Number one, seventy one million 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.440 voters will never accept Biden. This process is to destroy 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.360 his presidency before it even starts. If it even starts, 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.760 we either close on Trump's victory or delegitimize Biden. The 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:45.560 plan all caps that. Steve Bannon to Maria bartar Romo 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.840 on November tenth, twenty twenty. Maria bartar Romo is a 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:52.640 Fox News financial journalist and TV personality who hosts Mornings 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:56.960 with Maria and Maria Bartaromo's Wall Street. She used to 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.800 work at like CBS. She was like a fairly respected 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.560 border before all this um. When you google her name, 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:07.480 Rick Wikipedia provides this poll quote. As a reporter, I 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.040 approach every situation knowing that everyone has his or her 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:14.760 own agenda. It's not a bad thing. It's just a fact, Okay, 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:20.240 I mean not untrue. For example, the agenda you and 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.640 Steve Bannen hatched to de legitimize the Biden election. The 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.320 only thing, yeah, the only thing that I would push 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:30.000 back on is the it's not a bad thing part. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.160 I mean it is a bad thing in your case, 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.560 because your agenda was to overturn a democratic election and 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:40.520 commit treason. It certainly can. Yeah. Yeah. If the thing is, 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:45.880 for example, installing a dictatorship, then yes, that personal Agendato, Tomato, Robert. 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.720 If your personal agenda is increased post office funding, then 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:54.359 perhaps it's okay. Yeah, yeah, we could give that a path. Yeah. 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:58.360 So Maria started Fox's troubles when she interviewed Sidney Powell 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:03.080 right after the election on November eight, twenty. She said, quote, Sydney, 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.200 we talked about the dominion software. I know they were 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.680 voting irregularities. Tell me about that. And Powell replied, that's 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.880 putting it mildly. The computer glitches could not and should 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.240 not have happened at all. This is where the fraud 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.600 took place, where they were flipping votes in the computer 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:20.960 system or adding votes that did not exist. Now, immediately, 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:25.360 thank you, thank you. I've practiced for years now. Immediately 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.600 after airing this, Rupert Murdoch sent a message to one 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.680 of his producers saying it was very hard to credibly 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:36.880 cry foul everywhere because Trump had lost multiple swing states. Yeah, 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:41.720 it's hard point yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's one of 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.160 those things. You can see why there was an interest 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:48.400 on behalf of the Fox personalities using Sidney Powell to 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.680 tie in Dominion to this because they were they were 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.800 active in a bunch of different swing states and kind 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.360 of creating this and pushing this conspiracy allowed them to 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.280 explain how all of those swing states had broken against Trump, 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.200 which was the thing that Fox's reporting had led folks 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:06.080 to believe was not really possible. Dominion's filing notes that 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.840 Fox was aware that these claims were bogus from the jump. 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:13.080 And here's a message from Sean Hannity to Fox Politics 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.439 editor Chris Sterwalt that whole narrative that Sidney was pushing. 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.439 I did not believe it for one second. No reasonable 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:24.359 person would have thought that Stirwalt gets fired after this. 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:28.120 By the way, so the motion itself opens with this. 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.960 Fox knew from the top down. Fox knew that the 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:35.480 Dominion stuff was total bs. Yet despite knowing the truth, 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.679 or at minimum recklessly disregarding that truth, Fox spread and 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:42.479 endorsed these outlandist voter fraud claims about Dominion, even at 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:46.159 as it internally recognized the lies as crazy, absurd, and 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:52.200 shocklingly reckless. Those are all quotes from Fox executives. So 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.240 this all serves to support dominion's key contention that Fox 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.479 knew their claims were false unless they reported on an 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:01.119 election fraud in a way that demonstrated actual malice without 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.520 resort to motive or other circumstantial factors. That's the legal 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.960 term for they're completely at fault and they don't even 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.400 have a right to defend themselves, right, Like, that's that's 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:14.320 basically what complicit. Yeah, that's that that's more or less 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.159 what they are saying here, because like this is a 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.000 motion for summary judgment. So the thing that they're saying is, 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.560 we want the judge to just kind of rule on 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.960 this right now based on the merits of the case. 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.800 We think that this is such a clear case that 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.040 like there's there's really nothing else to say, um, based 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.360 on the information that discovery and the depositions have drug up, 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.640 Like it's like on its face prima facy or whatever, 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.160 however the fuck you're supposed to pronounce that, Um, this 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.159 is just such an obvious case that we want a 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.520 ruling right now, um, which is rare. You don't generally 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.320 get that, especially with very large lawsuits like this. We'll 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:50.919 see what actually happens. Um. But based on the reporting 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:52.919 they've put together, I think I think they have a 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:57.680 strong yeah. Yeah, um. So I want to continue from 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:01.360 the motion. But first, you know what motion. I want 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:07.840 to urge people towards forward, pulling out that pulling out 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:12.359 that wallet, Abby, pulling out that wallet. That's right, baby, 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:18.800 m shrimping the dingo ate your baby, that's right. Yes, 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.760 that's a that's Australian for purchase these products and services. 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:33.320 No one knows why we're back quite quite quode. I'm 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:34.920 gonna give you the rest of the episode to figure 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:40.240 out what that acronymics on it. So, um, I want 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:44.040 to continue from the motion here. Fox's correct call of 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.240 Arizona for Joe Biden triggered a backlash among its audience, 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.880 and the network was being rejected. That's a quote from 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:54.440 a Fox executive. Rival net network such as Newsmax took 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.720 advantage of the opening by promoting an alternative universe another 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:01.199 quote of election fraud. So Fox went on a war footing, 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.480 caring more about protecting its own following viewership than about 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.119 the truth and the words of Fox News is SVP 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.360 and managing editor of the Washington DC Bureau, Bill Salmon, 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:15.040 It's remarkable how weak ratings make good journalists do bad things. 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:21.320 I might have a couple of notes for that, including 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:24.240 the idea that there were many good journalists at Fox News. 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.600 But that's where I went as well, Yeah, that's that's 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:31.280 where I might have an issue. So next dominion goes 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:35.240 on to assert why this is different from most defamation lawsuits. Normally, 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:38.240 plaintiffs proved defendant's actual malice, whether they knew it was 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.960 false or in fact entertained serious doubts as to the 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.159 truth of the statement by inference, as it would be 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.200 rare for a defendant to admit such doubts. And they 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.800 cite Solano versus Playgirl in that here, and they note 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:53.440 that here overwhelming direct evidence establishes Fox's knowledge of falsity, 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:55.560 not just doubts. And I want to I want to 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:58.880 talk about the Clanov Playgirl case. That it's a two 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:02.359 thousand and two ninth Circuit Court case that dominion brings 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.240 up here because because it's kind of interesting. And then 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:08.160 in the January nineteen ninety nine issue of Playgirl magazine, 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:11.240 there was a cover photograph of actor Jose Solano, who 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.520 played someone called Manny Gutierrez in Baywatch from ninety six 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.360 to ninety nine. Solano had not posed for or given 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:19.399 an interview to Play Girl, and he did not consent 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:21.840 for them to use his image. He was shown shirtless 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:25.080 and wearing red lifeguard trunks and had like a bunch 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:26.959 of models surrounding them on the front cover in like 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:31.320 a suggestive way that was kind of like meant to 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.280 portray an image of him as a less wholesome character 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.840 than he personally portrayed himself as. And since he hadn't 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:42.000 actually like sat down to be interviewed or anything by Playgirl, 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:46.120 his argument. Salano's argument was that they were basically there 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:50.879 was essentially direct like they either knew that what they 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:53.040 were doing was false or they had serious doubts as 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:55.400 to the truth of the statement. Right, Like that's kind 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.800 of the case that's being cited here as like a 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:02.639 previous example of um of precedent, and Salano won the 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:05.320 case and established damages. I think it's I don't know, 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:07.480 I think it's interesting that they're they're falling black on 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.200 this Playgirl case is sort of evidence of like this 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:12.800 is the most this is like this is the most 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:17.639 um directly similar kind of irresponsibility from like a major 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:22.120 a major media network in the recent past. UM Dominions 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:24.959 lawyers note that Fox to fame their company, uh not 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:27.760 once or twice, but many times over a period of months. 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:31.520 H Tucker Carlson accused Dominion of committing quote, the single 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:36.080 greatest crime in American history. Um. Yeah, and so again 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:39.479 that's yeah, it's pretty hard to mitigate that. I know, right, 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.320 there's a few genocides, there's a lot of Yeah, that 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:46.760 sounds pretty hyperbolic, oh, Tucker, and that that's that's going 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:48.560 to come back to bite Tucker in the ass in 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:52.200 a very short time. Here. UM Dominion notes that while 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:56.159 defamation cases tend to involve just the malicious acts of 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:58.760 either an individual employee at a company or maybe a 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:02.240 small group of people at Fox, literally dozens of people 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:04.840 with editorial responsibility were involved, which is part of why 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:07.080 they're saying, we just want the judge to rule on 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:10.280 this because the irresponsibility is so deep and far reaching. 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:14.840 M Fox, for their part, it admits Sidney Pale and 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:18.199 her team never provided Fox with any evidence as to 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:22.119 her claims. Dominion, by contrast, made thirty six hundred separate 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:25.879 communications to Fox, with a dozen separate and widely circulated 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:29.360 fact check emails, each pointing the third party information debunking 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:33.480 the claims. I bet the algorithm did something, no to 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:37.800 it made it lies? Well, yeah, because Sydney stuff just 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:42.280 trended so well. Yeah, yeah, I love that clip of 0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:46.160 her talking. They love just like being like, an algorithm 0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:48.800 did it. There's a seister algorithm. It's always, it's always 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:51.040 Algorithm's so easy to point to the thing that nobody 0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:55.160 actually understands very well. That's the fun thing about algorithms, 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:56.919 and it's about to be the fun thing about AI 0:23:57.160 --> 0:23:59.440 and deep fakes and that and that. Like, as far 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:02.240