1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: What's slowly destroying the brains of the people who raised 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: us my various Rupert Murdoch properties. I'm Robert Evans, host 3 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: Stuff Behind the Bastards, and today we have a very 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: special episode. Before we get into that, I'm going to 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: bring on my my co hosts, my once in Future 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: podcast buddies, Cody Johnston and Katie Stove Daniel forty five 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 1: straight seconds of air horns here, followed by a lap track. Yeah, beepeep, 8 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: How's how's everything going? Midc Yeah? Yeah, oh wow, Cody, 9 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: I might try to have you do a couple of 10 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: Murdoch lines for us, a little bit like Ringo. To me, 11 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: it sounds a little bit like my Boston and Colson. 12 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: It would be so much, It would be so good if, 13 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: like his historically, you could go back in time and 14 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: switch them so that, like Tucker, Carlson was kind of 15 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: the most replaceable beetle and Ringo was a fascist on 16 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: mets um. Anyway, how are you? How are you guys? Oh, Robert? Okay, 17 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: more specific question, have any of you, like had a 18 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: complications among your loved ones as a result of a 19 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: Rupert Murdoch property. I just laughed, and it's been a 20 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: thing that has complicated my life with a number of 21 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: family members, and it's a kind of a thing that like, 22 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: I have a couple of cousins, and every now and 23 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: then we'll talk, like, you know, something will be going around, 24 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: so to speak. I'm trying to be vague in the 25 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: interests of like family piece. Something will be going around 26 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: and we'll be like, yeah, it's fucking Tucker Carlson or 27 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: whatever like started started this saying this bullshit. Now a 28 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: bunch of the people, bunch of the very nice people 29 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: who raised me, believe something terrible. Um, and it's it's 30 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: deeply frustrating, it's very effective. Yeah, it's um, it's and 31 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: it's it's been kind of this black box up until recently, 32 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: Like every now and then you would get these lawsuits 33 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: involving Fox, you know, and a bit, one little bit 34 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: of it would go viral and you'd see in like 35 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: all of the lefty newspapers whatever, Oh Fox argues that 36 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: they're not you know, a news agency or whatever, that 37 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: it's a character or yeah. But we we we we 38 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: haven't gotten like a tremendous amount of detail about what 39 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: inside the company looks like until very recently. Now, you 40 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: have y'all been paying much attention to the Dominion lawsuit 41 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: against Fox News. No, it's no that that's that's good, 42 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 1: you're I'm aware of it. So there are there are yeah, yeah, 43 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: there are two big lawsuits that Fox is fighting off 44 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: right now. One is from Dominion Voting Systems, which is 45 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: in I think twenty eight states, and it's a one 46 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: point six billion dollar defamation suit. And there's also a 47 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: two point six billion dollar defamation lawsuit from Smart Mattock, 48 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: which I think was only in one state. But there 49 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: were a bunch of Fox allegations that they were like 50 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: hacking the election. We'll get into the details of all 51 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: this in a little bit, but um, it's it's been 52 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: interesting because you know, for years and years and years 53 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: there have been Fox has been what I would morally 54 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: consider not in a legal sense because they haven't been 55 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: found guilty this in a legal sense, but I would 56 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: morally consider them to be doing slander on a pretty 57 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: regular basis against a wide variety of people. I think 58 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: that's fair, Yeah, fair statement to make a fair statement 59 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: of protected opinion. But Dominion chose to fight back, and 60 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: I you know, I think there's an argument to be 61 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: made that they had more of a solid legal ground 62 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: than a lot of the people that Fox has targeted 63 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: over the years, or that Fox personalities have targeted over 64 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: the years. Um but they they they sue Fox, and 65 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: throughout twenty twenty two, they put together this team of 66 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: lawyers who started running through a laundry list of Fox 67 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: News producers, line executives, and on air personalities and in 68 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: deposing them. Right, so, you sit someone down, You sit 69 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: Sean Hannity down, you sit Tucker Carlson down, you sit 70 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: Lachlan Murdoch down, who who's probably going to be the 71 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: heir to Rupert Murdock's fortune, and you ask them questions 72 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: about what happened in you know, this kind of spate 73 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: of disinformation, and if they lie, they can go to jail, 74 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: right Like it's a crime to lie in a deposition. 75 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: And in order to help enforce that, there's also a 76 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: process called discovery where Dominion's lawyers got access to what 77 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: seems to be a mountain of text messages, memos, emails 78 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: from Fox personalities in order to hold them accountable because 79 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: you can actually see what they were saying to each 80 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: other in addition to what they claim during the deposition 81 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: and the questions that Dominion asked. They spread well beyond 82 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,559 Speaker 1: kind of just the specific allegation Fox personalities made against 83 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: Dominion and went more broadly into Fox company culture and 84 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: how decisions filtered both up and down from management. And yeah, 85 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: it's as a result, it's given us kind of the 86 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: most complete look inside Fox and the most complete look 87 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: at like the kind of human beings who work there 88 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: and how they talk amongst themselves, and how they kind 89 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: of what they see, like the moral universe they inhabit 90 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: in a way that I never thought we actually were 91 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: going to get evidence of. And so that's what I 92 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: want to go into this week because there's there's a 93 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: tremendous amount here. It's worth noting before we start that 94 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: Fox is in actually some potentially serious financial trouble. We're 95 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: talking between these two lawsuits, somewhere around four billion dollars 96 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: that they could be found liable for. And this is 97 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: in addition to the one point two billion that Fox 98 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: is paid over the last decade due to the phone 99 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: hacking scandal that racked the Sun and News of the World. 100 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: You're both UK Murdoch properties, are you? Did you guys 101 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: hear remember do you guys recall much about the phone 102 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: hacking scandal. Not a lot of details, but I remember 103 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: the basic story. Yeah, the gist of it is that 104 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: Rebecca Brooks, who edited both of those publications and went 105 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: on to lead their UK publishing arm, and Andrew Colson, 106 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: who was an editor at News of the World, and 107 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: five of the papers journalists conspired to hack the voicemails 108 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: of more than six hundred people over a six year period. Yeah, 109 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: it's so. They hacked like a bunch of public figures 110 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: and celebrities. But what really got them in trouble was 111 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: they hacked the voicemail of a murdered schoolgirl, um, in 112 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: order to like what, Yeah, it's fucked up like that 113 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: is unbelievable. I mean it's no, it's unbelievable. Yeah, I 114 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: mean it, Yeah, it's it's I think what's really unbelievable 115 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: is that Rupert Murdoch claimed whence this came public, that 116 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: he'd had no knowledge of it. Um, he told me 117 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: this is very fun. Actually, Cody, I'm gonna I'm gonna 118 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: toss this text into the into the chat and you 119 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: can you can do your Rupert Murdock boys. Oh god, yeah, 120 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: you're a really good Foilfield people I trusted. I'm not 121 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: saying who let me down? And I think they behaved 122 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: disgracefully and it's time for them to pay. Wow, I 123 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: think you're the one that led us all down by 124 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: that accent. No, I think that's a flawless Aussie. Thank you. 125 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: I just mean I've worked on it. Yeah, it's it's okay. 126 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: Most people who do an Australian accent it just winds 127 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: up really Boston. So you know, I'm glad that I 128 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: got New Zealand that happened crooking. So that's that's very funny. 129 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: Um that he's like, oh, those bad Fox News reporters, 130 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make him pay. I had no idea this 131 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: was happening as the CEO of Fox News. A lot 132 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: of people wondered whether, you know, sorry, I'm sorry, like 133 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: it's time for them to pay. Is such a weird 134 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: thing like phrasing for like you could make that happens. 135 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, like be you know, taken to account 136 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: or like yeah there should be consequences, like it's time 137 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: for them to pay. Such a who phrasing whoever needs 138 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: to kill them is what he's saying. Yeah, Okay, um, yeah, yeah, 139 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's it's it's good, good old fashioned, weasely bullshit. 140 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: So now, obviously, legally I can't say that Rupert certainly 141 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: knew something. But we are in the United States and 142 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: I can say which I couldn't say if we were 143 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: in the UK. It seems kind of weird and suspicious 144 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: that he wouldn't know anything about this massive hacking scandal 145 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: as journalists and editors engaged in. And while I'm not 146 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: going to push much further than that, because he is 147 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: a billionaire with a lot of lawyers, what I will 148 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: do is quote a Fox News article about the UK 149 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: Parliamentary Committee investigation into the hacking scandal. Quote from Fox News. 150 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: Although Rupert Murdoch and his son James were not accused 151 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: of misleading parliament, the committee said it was simply astonishing 152 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: that they only realized that the hacking was not confined 153 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: to one rogue reporter in December of twenty ten. The 154 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: report said that they should ultimately be prepared to take 155 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: responsibility for the willful blindness of News International and News 156 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: Corporation over the scandal. Aside from the four hundred and 157 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: fifty four million they spent on legal fees. Yeah, yeah, 158 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: that's good stuff. So sketchy as that all was. The 159 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: phone hacking scandal did not wind up doing Murdoch or 160 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: News Corp any like permanent harm. But Dominion's lawsuit included 161 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: not only depositions under oath, but again this expansive discovery process. 162 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: So suddenly we know exactly what Rupert Murdoch's involvement was 163 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: here to a degree of legal certainty. I should also 164 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: note here because it's very funny that dominions lawyers to 165 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: post Sean Hannity for more than seven hours and honestly, 166 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: moment of silence for those lawyers because they had to 167 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: talk to Sean Hannity for seven hours. Brutal, that's hazard pay. 168 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I hope they hope they have. They had 169 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: to take frequent breaks. Yeah, they needed some MDMA and 170 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: a therapist. Shit. So the bulk of the questions asked 171 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: and materials provided have to do with discussions around the 172 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: decision of several major Fox stars to host Sydney Powell 173 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: on their pro Remember Sidney Powell, Yeah, she was a 174 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: former lawyer for Donald Trump who filed lawsuits in numerous 175 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: states attempting to overturn the results of the election. Now 176 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: she spent most of her time since twenty twenty fighting 177 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: disbarment hearings. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like she's going to 178 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: get disbarred. I think the case wound up being in Texas. 179 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: But in the heavy days after November second, she started 180 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: massaging a collection of deeply questionable sources to argue that Dominion, 181 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: which ran voting machines in twenty eight states and smart 182 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: Mattock quote ran an algorithm that shaved votes from Trump 183 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: and awarded them to Biden. There's a lot more to 184 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: her allegations, and we'll cover those presently, but that's what 185 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: you need to go to start. And before we get 186 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: into all that, I wanted to begin this episode by 187 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: giving you guys an example of how good journalists treated 188 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: Sydney Powell, because we're going to spend most of this 189 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: time talking about how Fox did. I want to play 190 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: a clip from an interview she did with an Australian journalist, 191 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: so Cody, you can brush up on your accent working 192 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: for ABC four Corners, an Australian news agency. Yeah, it's 193 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: it's it's good stuff that Smartmatic shifted votes from Trump 194 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: to Biden in multiple battleground states. That was your argument, 195 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: wasn't it that there was an algorithm run the machines 196 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: via the software of it, shaved votes from Trump and 197 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: gave those Biden. What actual research or bactricking did you 198 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: do at the time to find out what smartmatics actual 199 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: involvement in the election was. If you work for smart matter, 200 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: Smartematic that the election. I think it's incumbent on both 201 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: of us to know what smart matos involvement was. It 202 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: seems like a pretty foundational fact. Confused right now about 203 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: why you're here because you made a series of very 204 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: strong allegations against smart Mating, containing many errors of fact. 205 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: Do you accept the fact now that the company that 206 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: you accused of stealing a national election only operated in 207 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: one county in LA in California, one county, one state. No, 208 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: I'm not prepared to accept that fact. I think smartmatics 209 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: involvement was far more significant than that. I think they're 210 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: trying to minimize their involvement, of course, I do. You 211 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: said that smart matic owns dominion. How do you justify 212 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: the basic factory error interview. We're not even in the 213 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: area of great dispute. These are the simple and she 214 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: gets up, what did she think this was? What did 215 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 1: she think she was showing up for? Which she interview like, 216 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: I love fuck Sydney. Legitimately, what did you think they 217 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: were going to ask? Think they were going to do 218 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: what Fox did? Actually, I think is the answer. It's like, 219 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: can you tell me you're just any any reason for 220 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: you to have made these claims? Do you work for them? Yeah? 221 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: Do you have any evidence that they were present in 222 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: more than one county in Los Angeles? Can you show 223 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: your work, Sydney. It's a simple question, Sydney. Um. We 224 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: will talk about where her what her sources later And 225 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,599 Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil it, but it involves decapitation. 226 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, I know, I know, I know that's going 227 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: to be started that word. I thought you were going 228 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: to say, DiCaprio no, but no, no, no. I do 229 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: believe everyone involved was older than twenty one, so he 230 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: was unlikely that we have played a role. Yeah. Yeah, 231 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: So we will continue our main source for today with 232 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: our main source for today, which is the public version 233 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: of a filing by Dominion Voting Systems against Fox News. 234 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: This is a brief in support of Dominion's motion for 235 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: summary judgment on liability. I'm going to explain the legally shortly. 236 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: The document opens up with several quotes, however, and I 237 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: think these are interesting. Quote Number one, seventy one million 238 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: voters will never accept Biden. This process is to destroy 239 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: his presidency before it even starts. If it even starts, 240 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: we either close on Trump's victory or delegitimize Biden. The 241 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: plan all caps that. Steve Bannon to Maria bartar Romo 242 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: on November tenth, twenty twenty. Maria bartar Romo is a 243 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: Fox News financial journalist and TV personality who hosts Mornings 244 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: with Maria and Maria Bartaromo's Wall Street. She used to 245 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: work at like CBS. She was like a fairly respected 246 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: border before all this um. When you google her name, 247 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: Rick Wikipedia provides this poll quote. As a reporter, I 248 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: approach every situation knowing that everyone has his or her 249 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: own agenda. It's not a bad thing. It's just a fact, Okay, 250 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: I mean not untrue. For example, the agenda you and 251 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: Steve Bannen hatched to de legitimize the Biden election. The 252 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: only thing, yeah, the only thing that I would push 253 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: back on is the it's not a bad thing part. Yeah, yeah, 254 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: I mean it is a bad thing in your case, 255 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: because your agenda was to overturn a democratic election and 256 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: commit treason. It certainly can. Yeah. Yeah. If the thing is, 257 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: for example, installing a dictatorship, then yes, that personal Agendato, Tomato, Robert. 258 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: If your personal agenda is increased post office funding, then 259 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:54,359 Speaker 1: perhaps it's okay. Yeah, yeah, we could give that a path. Yeah. 260 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: So Maria started Fox's troubles when she interviewed Sidney Powell 261 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: right after the election on November eight, twenty. She said, quote, Sydney, 262 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: we talked about the dominion software. I know they were 263 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: voting irregularities. Tell me about that. And Powell replied, that's 264 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: putting it mildly. The computer glitches could not and should 265 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: not have happened at all. This is where the fraud 266 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: took place, where they were flipping votes in the computer 267 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: system or adding votes that did not exist. Now, immediately, 268 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I've practiced for years now. Immediately 269 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: after airing this, Rupert Murdoch sent a message to one 270 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: of his producers saying it was very hard to credibly 271 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: cry foul everywhere because Trump had lost multiple swing states. Yeah, 272 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: it's hard point yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's one of 273 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: those things. You can see why there was an interest 274 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: on behalf of the Fox personalities using Sidney Powell to 275 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: tie in Dominion to this because they were they were 276 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: active in a bunch of different swing states and kind 277 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: of creating this and pushing this conspiracy allowed them to 278 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: explain how all of those swing states had broken against Trump, 279 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: which was the thing that Fox's reporting had led folks 280 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: to believe was not really possible. Dominion's filing notes that 281 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: Fox was aware that these claims were bogus from the jump. 282 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: And here's a message from Sean Hannity to Fox Politics 283 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: editor Chris Sterwalt that whole narrative that Sidney was pushing. 284 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: I did not believe it for one second. No reasonable 285 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: person would have thought that Stirwalt gets fired after this. 286 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: By the way, so the motion itself opens with this. 287 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: Fox knew from the top down. Fox knew that the 288 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: Dominion stuff was total bs. Yet despite knowing the truth, 289 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: or at minimum recklessly disregarding that truth, Fox spread and 290 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,479 Speaker 1: endorsed these outlandist voter fraud claims about Dominion, even at 291 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: as it internally recognized the lies as crazy, absurd, and 292 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: shocklingly reckless. Those are all quotes from Fox executives. So 293 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: this all serves to support dominion's key contention that Fox 294 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,479 Speaker 1: knew their claims were false unless they reported on an 295 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: election fraud in a way that demonstrated actual malice without 296 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: resort to motive or other circumstantial factors. That's the legal 297 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: term for they're completely at fault and they don't even 298 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: have a right to defend themselves, right, Like, that's that's 299 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: basically what complicit. Yeah, that's that that's more or less 300 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: what they are saying here, because like this is a 301 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: motion for summary judgment. So the thing that they're saying is, 302 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: we want the judge to just kind of rule on 303 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: this right now based on the merits of the case. 304 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: We think that this is such a clear case that 305 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: like there's there's really nothing else to say, um, based 306 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: on the information that discovery and the depositions have drug up, 307 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: Like it's like on its face prima facy or whatever, 308 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: however the fuck you're supposed to pronounce that, Um, this 309 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: is just such an obvious case that we want a 310 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: ruling right now, um, which is rare. You don't generally 311 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: get that, especially with very large lawsuits like this. We'll 312 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: see what actually happens. Um. But based on the reporting 313 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: they've put together, I think I think they have a 314 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: strong yeah. Yeah, um. So I want to continue from 315 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: the motion. But first, you know what motion. I want 316 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: to urge people towards forward, pulling out that pulling out 317 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: that wallet, Abby, pulling out that wallet. That's right, baby, 318 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: m shrimping the dingo ate your baby, that's right. Yes, 319 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: that's a that's Australian for purchase these products and services. 320 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: No one knows why we're back quite quite quode. I'm 321 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: gonna give you the rest of the episode to figure 322 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: out what that acronymics on it. So, um, I want 323 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: to continue from the motion here. Fox's correct call of 324 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: Arizona for Joe Biden triggered a backlash among its audience, 325 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: and the network was being rejected. That's a quote from 326 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: a Fox executive. Rival net network such as Newsmax took 327 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: advantage of the opening by promoting an alternative universe another 328 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: quote of election fraud. So Fox went on a war footing, 329 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: caring more about protecting its own following viewership than about 330 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: the truth and the words of Fox News is SVP 331 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: and managing editor of the Washington DC Bureau, Bill Salmon, 332 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: It's remarkable how weak ratings make good journalists do bad things. 333 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: I might have a couple of notes for that, including 334 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: the idea that there were many good journalists at Fox News. 335 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: But that's where I went as well, Yeah, that's that's 336 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: where I might have an issue. So next dominion goes 337 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: on to assert why this is different from most defamation lawsuits. Normally, 338 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: plaintiffs proved defendant's actual malice, whether they knew it was 339 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: false or in fact entertained serious doubts as to the 340 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: truth of the statement by inference, as it would be 341 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: rare for a defendant to admit such doubts. And they 342 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: cite Solano versus Playgirl in that here, and they note 343 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: that here overwhelming direct evidence establishes Fox's knowledge of falsity, 344 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: not just doubts. And I want to I want to 345 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: talk about the Clanov Playgirl case. That it's a two 346 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: thousand and two ninth Circuit Court case that dominion brings 347 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: up here because because it's kind of interesting. And then 348 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: in the January nineteen ninety nine issue of Playgirl magazine, 349 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: there was a cover photograph of actor Jose Solano, who 350 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: played someone called Manny Gutierrez in Baywatch from ninety six 351 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: to ninety nine. Solano had not posed for or given 352 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: an interview to Play Girl, and he did not consent 353 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: for them to use his image. He was shown shirtless 354 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: and wearing red lifeguard trunks and had like a bunch 355 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 1: of models surrounding them on the front cover in like 356 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: a suggestive way that was kind of like meant to 357 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: portray an image of him as a less wholesome character 358 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: than he personally portrayed himself as. And since he hadn't 359 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: actually like sat down to be interviewed or anything by Playgirl, 360 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: his argument. Salano's argument was that they were basically there 361 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: was essentially direct like they either knew that what they 362 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: were doing was false or they had serious doubts as 363 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: to the truth of the statement. Right, Like that's kind 364 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: of the case that's being cited here as like a 365 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: previous example of um of precedent, and Salano won the 366 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: case and established damages. I think it's I don't know, 367 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that they're they're falling black on 368 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: this Playgirl case is sort of evidence of like this 369 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: is the most this is like this is the most 370 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: um directly similar kind of irresponsibility from like a major 371 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: a major media network in the recent past. UM Dominions 372 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 1: lawyers note that Fox to fame their company, uh not 373 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: once or twice, but many times over a period of months. 374 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: H Tucker Carlson accused Dominion of committing quote, the single 375 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: greatest crime in American history. Um. Yeah, and so again 376 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,479 Speaker 1: that's yeah, it's pretty hard to mitigate that. I know, right, 377 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: there's a few genocides, there's a lot of Yeah, that 378 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: sounds pretty hyperbolic, oh, Tucker, and that that's that's going 379 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: to come back to bite Tucker in the ass in 380 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: a very short time. Here. UM Dominion notes that while 381 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: defamation cases tend to involve just the malicious acts of 382 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: either an individual employee at a company or maybe a 383 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: small group of people at Fox, literally dozens of people 384 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: with editorial responsibility were involved, which is part of why 385 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: they're saying, we just want the judge to rule on 386 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: this because the irresponsibility is so deep and far reaching. 387 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: M Fox, for their part, it admits Sidney Pale and 388 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: her team never provided Fox with any evidence as to 389 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: her claims. Dominion, by contrast, made thirty six hundred separate 390 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: communications to Fox, with a dozen separate and widely circulated 391 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 1: fact check emails, each pointing the third party information debunking 392 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: the claims. I bet the algorithm did something, no to 393 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: it made it lies? Well, yeah, because Sydney stuff just 394 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: trended so well. Yeah, yeah, I love that clip of 395 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: her talking. They love just like being like, an algorithm 396 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: did it. There's a seister algorithm. It's always, it's always 397 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: Algorithm's so easy to point to the thing that nobody 398 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: actually understands very well. That's the fun thing about algorithms, 399 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: and it's about to be the fun thing about AI 400 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: and deep fakes and that and that. Like, as far 401 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: as most people in media are concerned, it's just magic. 402 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: And so like, if you're a bad actor, like literally 403 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: anyone at Fox, you can just use the word algorithm 404 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: or now it's yeah, deep fake. It's easy. Yeah. Um, 405 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: it's just like saying a wizard did it, but some 406 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: sort of plausible explanation for an implausible thing. Yeah. And 407 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm torn on this because I do 408 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: think we need more wizards in American politics, but not 409 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: not like this, not like this. No, no actual wizards 410 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: computer wizards, not computer wizards, real wizard wizards. No wizards, 411 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: yeah wizards, Yeah, like Gandolf. Yeah, I want Gandolf to 412 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: have his own like fascist news show where he supports 413 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: Rhonda Santis in removing books from from elementary schools. That's 414 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: what I want, That's what even like a Gumbledore, I 415 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: don't know, Well, Gandolf in particular Hosts he got radicalized 416 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: after they banned indoor smoking. That really that really that 417 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: really got him. Well yeah, he's a big anti masker too. 418 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: Dumbledore and JK are type still so mm hmm yeah, problematic. Yeah, 419 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm just glad he's dead. Um. So now Dominion is yeah, 420 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: moving for summary judgment, which again has a there's a 421 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: very high burden of evidence when you ask a judge 422 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: to do this. Dominion argues that they can cross it easily. 423 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: Quote Fox falsely claimed. Number one Dominion committed election fraud 424 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: by rigging the twenty twenty presidential election. Number two Dominion 425 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: Software and algorithms manipulated vote counts in the twenty twenty 426 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: presidential election. Number three Dominion is owned by a company 427 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: founded in Venezuela to rig elections for the dictator, Hugo 428 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: Chavez and number four Dominion government official machines. This is 429 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: what this is what false the claims. But yeah, these 430 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: are the claims. They have to be ver falls. Yeah, yeah, 431 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: they don't have to prove it, like Dominions saying these 432 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: are obvious false claims, Like yeah, this is the only 433 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 1: evidence that they have that would make what they did 434 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: responsible if these were true, and it's it's patently ridiculous. 435 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: Um so the number four oh yeah, number four Cody 436 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: is Dominion paid kickbacks to government officials who used its 437 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: machines in the twenty twenty presidential election. Um yeah, this 438 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: is like, these are pretty serious allegations to make with 439 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: absolute there's not quite no history. Oh again, we're building 440 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: towards what the evidence here was for the greatest crime 441 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: in American history. So Dominion insists that it's irrelevant that 442 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: the accused statements that I just read were made by 443 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: guests of Fox rather than the hosts. Yeah, and basically 444 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,239 Speaker 1: they're like, look, Fox is a publisher. Every statement that 445 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 1: they choose to put out without contradiction or questioning is 446 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: something they are publishing. If you were to have Sidney 447 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: Powell on and then question her like that, ABC four 448 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: current Corners journalist died. That's okay, Then you don't have 449 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: to defend what she's said, because you're deliberately like questioning 450 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: its accuracy, you know, like you're actually trying to report. 451 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: But if you just let somebody talk as Fox News, 452 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: you are publishing their allegations. Yeah. There's also like there's 453 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: a supportive language that a lot of Fox News, I 454 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: mean all of them, I guess, maybe use when dealing 455 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: with these topics because of stuff like this, because they 456 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 1: know they can't say one hundred percent, but they're not 457 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: always great at it. Yeah, and they maybe they won't 458 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: get away with it. Yeah. I mean it's like, uh, 459 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: you know when when when the three of us were 460 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: trying to launch that podcast on your network, and you 461 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: guys wanted to report on breaking news, and I wanted 462 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: to make a series of allegations against the Home Depot 463 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: Corporation um and and these of one bad time you 464 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: had at home Depot. Yeah. Well, and because of the 465 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: tunnels underneath home depots where they traffic, well, I probably 466 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: shouldn't make another trafficking children joke. The last one we 467 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: made went badly against us all see it. I can't 468 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: imagine why Robert, this is me being a responsible publisher. 469 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, recognizing that the years of lawsuits from 470 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: home Depot when we tried to put that out are 471 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: not worth repeating a second time. See, unlike Fox, some 472 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: of us can learn your lessons. Go to home Depot, 473 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: did it dot Org? Anyway, let's move on. Let's move 474 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: on here. So yeah, the bulk of Dominion's assertion is 475 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: that they are due summary judgment because Fox editorially employees 476 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: demonstrated actual malice. Prevailing on summary judgment in this case 477 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,479 Speaker 1: requires that they show just one person acted with malice 478 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: free false claim about the company. And this is where 479 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: the stuff that's really interesting to us comes in. Quote, 480 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: as Tucker Carlson told Sidney Powell November seventeenth, you keep 481 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: telling our viewers that millions of votes were changed by 482 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: the software. I hope you will prove that very soon. 483 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: You've convinced them that Trump will win. If you don't 484 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: have conclusive evidence of fraud at that scale, it's a 485 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: cruel and reckless thing to keep saying. And then on 486 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: November twenty first, Carlson texted, it was shockingly useless to 487 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: claim that Dominion rigged the election. If there's no one 488 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: inside the company willing to talk or internal dominion documents 489 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: or copies of the software showing that they did it, 490 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: and as you know, there isn't, which is is a 491 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: pretty clear evidence that Tucker knew that what Sidney was 492 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: saying was wildly irresponsible. Yeah, oh yeah, no, I mean 493 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: you're right. I'm wondering how like much pushback? Like what 494 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: qualifies pushback? Right, because again, what he said was like, 495 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: well this is a very it's compelling, and you've you've 496 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: convinced people, but you need to show evidence, so like 497 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: you know the thing that he does and he knows 498 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: that he's doing. Yeah yeah, Now. Dominion furthermore alleges that 499 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: the statements Fox made are what you call, again per 500 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: se defamatory. This means that they alleged that the dominion 501 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: that the defendant committed a serious crime, and those allegations 502 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: injured the defendant in their trade or profession. The key 503 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: here is that when a statement is per se defamatory, 504 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: the injured party doesn't need prove specific damages to establish liability, right, 505 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: not per se? Yeah, not per se. I love you, 506 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: you know lawyers, those wacky guys. Per Se defamatory so 507 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: Dominion also notes that Fox cannot claim they had some 508 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: sort of a right to report on Powell's allegations against 509 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: Dominion on the basis of newsworthiness, since doing so would 510 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: require them to report accurately that Powell had no evidence 511 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: to back up her assertions. Discovery has given Dominion some 512 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: interesting ammo here, including a text from Rupert Murdoch asking 513 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: Suzanne Scott, current Fox News CEO, whether it was quote 514 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: and here's Murdoch again, unarguable that high profile Fox voices 515 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: fed the story that the election was stolen and that 516 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: January sixth was an important chance to have the results overturned. 517 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: That is Rupert Murdoch telling the CEO Fox. It is 518 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: a unarguable that high profile Fox voices fed the story 519 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: that the election was and that jan six was an 520 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: important chance to have the results overturned. That's Murdoch's saying, 521 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: we absolutely caused January or help. That is nuts, an 522 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 1: unbelievable thing that he just said, Yeah, what he texted 523 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: his coworker. He texted the quiet part. You can't just 524 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: say that, Yeah, maybe you can't. He did. He did. 525 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: That's that's maybe I should have been paying attention to 526 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: this story we did January. That's that Rupert Murdoch quote. 527 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: We did January six. You put that on some merch. 528 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: I just wanted to get that lady Murky by the 529 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: Secret Service. Yeah, that's that's Rupert Murdoch for you. That's 530 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: a joke. It's not legally actionable. Uh So Fox News 531 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: responded to Murdoch's like state, but basically Murdoch is like, 532 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: I'm fairly certain that we contributed to this. Do we 533 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: have evidence of like our voices feeding, like our people 534 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: feeding the story that the election was stolen? And executives 535 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: responded to him with fifty examples of this um, which 536 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: again really making the lawyers at Dominion's job easy for them. 537 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: That's so they can't even be like Dominions like dug 538 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: up all these examples and Fox those aren't examples, they're 539 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: like noreast sign it signed Rupert. Yeah from Rupert. Here's 540 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: some perfect evidence. I hope, I hope it gave him 541 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: indigestion when he had to hand over all of his 542 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: fucking text messages to these rhea. I agree with you, Katie. 543 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: I hope, I hope he was shitting a sand bag. 544 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: So to spool boys, I hope. Yeah, Rupert Murdoch's shit. 545 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: There's a video going around. I tweeted it recently. If 546 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: a guy like getting sucked down into a grain silo, 547 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: that's the consistency of that is awful. Yeah, stay the 548 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: fuck away from grain silos, Yes, Joe, don't stay away 549 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: from them. Shoot them at a distance, talking about readily 550 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: grain silos, and I was like, what's that about? Didn't investigate? Now, 551 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: I know. I came from a small farming town where 552 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: every year people would die in grain silos, Grain silos 553 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: and drunken ATV rides. Um, those were two of the 554 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: leading causes of death. Um. If only Fox News had 555 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: a similar record. I'm going to continue quoting from the 556 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: dominion lawsuit, as Rupert Murdoch told Suzanne Scott, who's again 557 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: the CEO of Fox in the aftermath of January sixth, 558 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: All very well for Sean to tell you he was 559 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: in despair about Trump. But what did he tell his 560 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: viewers When Rupert Murdoch watched Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell 561 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: spin their lives on November nineteenth, he told Suzanne Scott 562 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: terrible stuff, damaging everybody. I fear Scott concurred, Yes, Sean, 563 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: and even Piero agrees. They talk about judge Janine Pierrouh. 564 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: My god, yeah, look at all the damage. We're cozy. Yeah. Wow, 565 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: we're really fucking some shit up there. Um, you know 566 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: who else is fucking like all those other times? No 567 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 1: speaking of fucking shit up, but like in a good way, 568 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 1: in an ethical, capitalist way where we all learn about 569 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: what kind of mattresses we need. Cody, A lot of 570 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: people don't know this about you. You prefer to sleep 571 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: we call it PEB and J style, with a mattress 572 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,479 Speaker 1: below you and another mattress on top of you. Makes 573 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: me feel secure, that's right, A little bit um, a 574 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: little bit cozier, a little bit more weight than a 575 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: weighted blanket. Yeah, I'm not rustling around. Yeah. If you 576 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: have guests over, they can stay on top. This is 577 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: this is the difference between us, Cody. I prefer to 578 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: sleep literally PEB and J style, where once a week 579 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: I bake two large bedside sheets of bread and I 580 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: fill them with jam and with peanut butter, and I 581 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: just I just roll around in a naked all night 582 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: and then in the morning my breakfast is ready. Oh, 583 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: I just licked myself clean like a lizard. Like that's good. 584 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: I'm good the mattresses. Yeah, anyway, here's some real ads. Ah, 585 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: we're back. I hope you enjoyed those good words from 586 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: the good people at Jeff Jeff. It mixes well with 587 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:30,919 Speaker 1: your sweat. Um. Oh man, you're gonna steal the big 588 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: Jeff account from me, Cody, We're waiting w dot Patreon 589 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: backslash hit him up. Jeff a lot of money here, potentially. So. 590 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: One of the things I find compelling about the allegations 591 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 1: Dominions lawyers have put together is the fact that Fox 592 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: execs were aware ahead of time that Trump would claim 593 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: fraud if he lost. Now, this suggests you might say 594 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: something of a conspiracy, a loose plan to find a 595 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: serviceable election fraud argument and then push it whether or 596 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: not it's true. In the words of Chris Sterwalt, Fox's 597 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: politics editor, who again gets shit canned after this, during 598 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: the relevant timeframe, long before the election, Chris says, Trump 599 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: started making the claim that the only way he could 600 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: lose the election was by fraud, or that the only 601 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 1: way he would not prevail would be if it was stolen. 602 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: He had laid that predicate down throughout the spring and 603 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: into the summer, and it was very well known and 604 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: understood by everybody in the business that this was the 605 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 1: gambit that he was making. That's a straight quote from 606 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: Sterwalt's deposition. Now Sterwalt Welt said this under oath, and 607 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: dominion adds that other Fox executives made similar statements under oath. 608 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: They understood that Trump was laying out a false line 609 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: ahead of time so that he could justify contesting the 610 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: election even if the evidence did not support it. As 611 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen pandemic made more male in voting inevitable, 612 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: and understanding evolved that the discrepancy between in person counts 613 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,720 Speaker 1: and mail votes would provide an opportunity to question the election. 614 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,280 Speaker 1: So before the election, Fox personalities were talking about like, well, 615 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 1: you're going to have all the in person votes get 616 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: counted first, but then the mail ins are going to 617 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 1: come and it's going to cause a sudden shift. And 618 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: that what's funny is that we were all talking about 619 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: how they were going to be doing this. Yes see, 620 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: we're not so different after all, Katie, We're all things. Yeah, 621 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: we created I'm gonna quote again from Chris Steerwaltz deposition. Here, 622 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 1: election day votes are going to skew heavily Republican. Early 623 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: in absentee votes are going to skew heavily democratic. If 624 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: you stretch out the period of time over which that's 625 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,280 Speaker 1: going to be counted, it's going to create a false 626 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: It could tend to create a false impression about the 627 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: direction that the election was going to go overall um. 628 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: He noted that political professionals and political journalists at Fox 629 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: universally understood this phenomenon, also termed the red mirage and 630 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: the blue shift. Yeah, so that's good. That's good, good 631 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: that they just said all this. Now, dominion just happened 632 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: to be in a position at the nexus of all 633 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: these facts, which made them a convenient scapegoat for false 634 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: claims of election fraud. Discovery in this case also gives 635 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: us some insight as to communications between Fox employees and 636 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: members of the Trump team. When Fox called Arizona first 637 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: at eleven twenty pm, a member of Trump's team called 638 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: Fox's Washington Bureau managing editor Bill Salmon and told him 639 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: it was quote way too soon to be calling Arizona. 640 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: White House chief of Staff Mark Meadows followed up shortly thereafter, 641 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: just as angry and Fox viewers were even more enraged. 642 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: Quote on November fifth, Fox's chief White House correspondent told 643 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: Salmon and FANC president Jay Wallace, we are taking major 644 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: heat over the AZ call. Our viewers are also chanting 645 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: Fox News sucks. Something I have never heard, something I 646 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: have never heard before. Why, I've definitely heard that. UM. 647 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: Listing Dominion also cites internal Fox emails, stating, holy cow, 648 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: our audience is mad at the network and they're all 649 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: caps furious. Um. It is at this point that we 650 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: get to one of the more into because again, parts 651 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,879 Speaker 1: of this are redacted, and the way that redactions work, 652 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: you know, you don't you don't always know why, right, Um, Like, 653 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: that's that's sometimes yeah, yeah, But there's there's uh the 654 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: like immediately following those internal Fox emails. Um, there's this 655 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: paragraph that begins the backlash was so strong that and 656 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: then the rest of the paragraph is all blacked out. UM. 657 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: I am no idea what that's going on about, but 658 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: I hope we find out some days. Um. And the 659 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: mystery of what that paragraph holds is made all the 660 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: more enticing by what comes next. Fox hosts Tucker Carlson, 661 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: Laura Ingram, and Sean Hannity immediately understood the threat to 662 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: them personally. Carlson wrote his producer Alex Piffer on November fifth, 663 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: we worked really hard to build what we have. Those 664 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: fuckers are destroying our credibility. It enrages me. He added 665 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: that he had spoken with Laura and Sean a minute 666 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: ago that they are highly upset. Carlson noted, at this point, 667 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 1: we're getting hurt no matter what. Phifer responded, It's a 668 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: hard needle to thread, but I really think many on 669 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: our side are being reckless demagogues right now. Tucker replied, 670 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: of course they are. We're not going to follow them, 671 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 1: and then he added what Trump's good at is destroying things. 672 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: He's the undisputed world champion of that. He could easily 673 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,280 Speaker 1: destroy us if we play it wrong. This is awful 674 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: and so good it is. There's so much going on 675 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 1: there too, because He's like, first off, I'm furious they're 676 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: destroying our credibility by questioning the narrative that Trump's election 677 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,919 Speaker 1: was stolen from him, Right, That's what they're doing that's 678 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: destroying our credibility, is they're making the audience distrust us 679 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: because the audience will only believe the lie that the 680 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: election was stolen. But then he's like, fuck these people 681 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: who spread the election lies in the first place, because 682 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: they're being reckless demagogues and we're not going to follow them. 683 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,439 Speaker 1: But also Trump is a destroyer and I don't want 684 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: him to destroy It's this incredible mix of totally aware 685 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: of how much of a lie that they're spreading, and 686 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:25,240 Speaker 1: also comprehensive cowardice. Yeah, and a history of that knowledge too, 687 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: because even the they're all they're acting like demagogues. Of 688 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 1: course they are, is what he's saying. Yeah, imply like, 689 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,919 Speaker 1: of course they are. That's what they do, That's what 690 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:40,760 Speaker 1: we are, right, Yeah, Yeah, they don't mind that part yep, Nope. 691 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: So Dominion Next presents evidence that Summit Fox sought to 692 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,919 Speaker 1: actively reign in this disinformation. Chief political correspondent Brett bare 693 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: repeatedly told colleagues that there was no evidence of fraud, 694 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: and he alerted his boss when Maria Barbaromo posted baseless 695 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: allegations of vote dumps social media, telling him we have 696 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: to prevent this stuff, we need to fact check. And 697 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,399 Speaker 1: it is a note of how bad this is that 698 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: Brett Baar is the is the voice of recent center 699 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 1: of the company out. Yeah, Like I I'm like, I 700 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: understand kind of because Shep Smith was like the other 701 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: guy at Fox there was not not not a completely 702 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: broken monster. Um. It's fascinating to me, like what these 703 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 1: guys must have told themselves in order to keep doing this, 704 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: because they clearly have some ethical center, right, because this 705 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,240 Speaker 1: is also like it's interesting because this is just about 706 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: this one yeah topic. Yeah, and I can't imagine just 707 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 1: now do all the rest? Yeah, yeah, what have you 708 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 1: been saying about everything? Yeah? Yeah, because one of two 709 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: things is true. Either Brett does this with everything that 710 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 1: Fox lies about or this was the first time he 711 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,760 Speaker 1: was like, well this is a bridge too far, right, Yeah, 712 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: like everybody like textasure like this is damaging. How we're 713 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 1: gonna do this and play it in a lie to people? Yeah? Yeah, 714 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: I think I kind of suspect because you remember there's 715 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,240 Speaker 1: that thing, Um, oh god, what's her name? The lady 716 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 1: with the TV show who's like very popular liberal news person. 717 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: Um racial matter. I was literally she put anyway whatever, Um, 718 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: I can't believe I forgot her name. Um, But like 719 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 1: she's made comments about Tucker being a nice guy in 720 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 1: person and like they're friendly together, and I kind of 721 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: suspect that's what's going on with Brett, where it's like 722 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: there's a certain degree of like malfeasance and propaganda that 723 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,720 Speaker 1: like his friends, who you know, are elsewhere in media 724 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: and politics. Don't mind from Fox Right, but this denying 725 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 1: the election entirely trying to inciting this fucking seditious act 726 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: of January sixth, that was fucking a step too far, 727 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 1: and it was it was gonna make him look bad 728 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:01,759 Speaker 1: in front of his friends, so he had to. I 729 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,359 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know Brett Bete, but clearly for 730 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 1: some of them there's a line. By November sixth, Rupert 731 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 1: Murdoch had stated the same fears as Brett Bear and 732 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,760 Speaker 1: Warren CEO Suzanne Scott. If Trump becomes a sore loser, 733 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: we should watch Sean especially, and others don't sound the 734 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: same union Sean, He's gonna be a wildcard on this 735 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: one if Trump ties to make himself a dictator. That 736 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: same day, Sidney Powell was a guest on lou Dobbs Tonight, 737 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: where she told viewers about a supposed CIA program called 738 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: Hammer and Scorecard. Hammer was a government supercomputer, she told viewers, 739 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 1: and Scorecard was a program that would allow it to 740 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,319 Speaker 1: change votes. She told Fox viewers, this quote explains a 741 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: lot of what we're seeing. After the broadcast, a viewer 742 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 1: emailed Brett bar about Hammer and Scorecard. He forwarded this 743 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 1: to Fox president Jay Wallace and asked, what is this? 744 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 1: What the fuck is this? So there is evidence that 745 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,840 Speaker 1: Murdoch even took steps with one of his other properties, 746 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,240 Speaker 1: The New York Post, to stop stolen election conspiracy theories 747 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: from spreading. On November seventh, the Post published an editorial 748 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: begging Trump to admit he'd lost and quote get Rudy 749 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,240 Speaker 1: Giuliani off TV Murdoch. One of the things that discovery 750 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 1: revealed is Murdoch thanking a Post employee for ensuring the 751 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: editorial was spread, so he had no problem with like 752 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,919 Speaker 1: manipulating his various periodicals in order to get this message out, 753 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: which is particularly interesting to me given another factor revealed 754 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,160 Speaker 1: by the dominion lawsuit. Dominion alleges Rupert Murdoch provided Donald 755 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,120 Speaker 1: Trump's senior advisor and son in law, Jared Kushner, with 756 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 1: confidential information about the Biden campaign, and specific they gave 757 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: Kushner access to Biden campaign ads before publication, and information 758 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: on his debate strategy. Dominion does not go into more 759 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,359 Speaker 1: detail here. That is just an allegation that they make 760 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,880 Speaker 1: in their filing. Fox, for their part, say that Dominion 761 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,800 Speaker 1: is mischaracterizing the acts here, and they further note quote 762 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,759 Speaker 1: Dominion cherry picks any sound bite it confined from any 763 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 1: corner of the Fox organization, even though it admits in 764 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,239 Speaker 1: its brief one hundred and seventeen pages later that most 765 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,720 Speaker 1: of the evidence is utterly irrelevant to the legal issues 766 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,320 Speaker 1: in this case. Dominions focus on such irrelevant evidence demonstrates 767 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,399 Speaker 1: that it is more interested in headlines than in law 768 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,880 Speaker 1: or fact. And what's compelling to me about this is 769 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: that that's not entirely wrong. I don't think they're Dominions 770 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 1: wrong on the facts. They are including a lot of 771 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,960 Speaker 1: shit in here that is not specifically targeted towards their lawsuit. Right, 772 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 1: that is not specifically about claims Fox made about Dominion. 773 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,840 Speaker 1: I think their strategy here is to try and improve 774 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: how comprehensive the malice and irresponsive delivers a Fox also 775 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 1: the culture and what this Yeah, yeah, painting a full 776 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 1: picture here, yeah, And I think what they're doing is fair. 777 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 1: I also kind of suspect that a piece of it 778 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 1: also is them being like, well, they fucking dragged our 779 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: name through the mud, and we can do that without 780 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: lying about I'll be fun pieces of shit. Well we 781 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: can throw down. You want to throw down, motherfuckers? Try me. Yeah, 782 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 1: that's what this is. But right now, do you want 783 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,840 Speaker 1: to motherfuckers? Want to throw down by telling people your plugs? 784 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: This is part one. We're done. This is part one. 785 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: We're done. We're done and done a being bought a 786 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,440 Speaker 1: boom baby and then the lessons. Yeah, and everything was 787 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 1: good forever. Yeah, this wraps up. Yeah, we've got piece 788 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: of shows for you to check out. Plug the podcast 789 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,239 Speaker 1: Even More News. Oh but you guys have a podcast 790 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 1: and um and we talk about stuff. We shoot the ship, 791 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,959 Speaker 1: we make jokes, we have fun guests. Sometimes Roberts a guest. Robert, 792 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 1: would you like to come on our show again soon? 793 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,440 Speaker 1: We'll typically love to come down the show again. I've 794 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 1: been meaning to get into podcasting, so this could be 795 00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 1: a really good I think that you'd be really good interesting, interesting, interesting, 796 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,800 Speaker 1: Cody plug our other things. Oh yeah, we have another 797 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,239 Speaker 1: show called some More News. Um. It's also available as 798 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: a podcast if you'd like. It's on YouTube dot com 799 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: as well as a video. There's stuff in it with 800 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 1: puppets are there sometimes and check out our Patreon dot 801 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: com s. Last some more news support those things. Yeah, furthermore, furthermore, 802 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:31,720 Speaker 1: things to be continued doing when we return. Yeah yeah, 803 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,880 Speaker 1: what yeah, how are you doing? Like, would you flex 804 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: for us? Maybe? Like lay down, take those shoes off, 805 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,359 Speaker 1: get that shirt off too, you know, come on, come 806 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,360 Speaker 1: on asking them to flex their cuddle up with me? 807 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 1: Just just just come on, get on, get on in here. 808 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,560 Speaker 1: Another mattress, mattress on top of us. Just make that 809 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,240 Speaker 1: a double texts. We got ourselves get covered in peanut 810 00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,760 Speaker 1: butter and jelly together. Kay, this guy, maybe watch season 811 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,480 Speaker 1: one of True Detective. You know, good stuff, good stuff, 812 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,640 Speaker 1: good stuff. It's a great season. I did. I rewatched 813 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 1: it recently. It's I love that show, that season, just 814 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,800 Speaker 1: for the Regila to do of it, that show. Um, anyway, 815 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go dig out my generator from this pile 816 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:23,200 Speaker 1: of fucking snow. Yeah, and I'm gonna rewatch True Detective 817 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: season one again again already. Wow, I'm not going to 818 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,160 Speaker 1: do either of Those Things behind the Bastards is a 819 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,560 Speaker 1: production of cool Zone Media. 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