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Speaker 2: Revere, donks look at us now, tip to tip. This

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Speaker 2: is our life, this is our passion. That's the spirit

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Speaker 2: we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 3: This is Morning Combat.

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Speaker 4: Were back, baby, trust us We back. It is Morning Combat,

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Speaker 4: and it is Friday, April twenty third, two thousand and

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Speaker 4: twenty one. The best thing going in combat talk today

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Speaker 4: period right, the cure for the common show. We back

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Speaker 4: with a bullet. My name is Brian Campbell, CBS Sports

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Speaker 4: and Showtime, the labels that are paying me just fine.

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Speaker 4: By the way, thank you very much. The man next

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Speaker 4: to me who on Fridays allows the orange backgrounds, allows

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Speaker 4: Fridays with BC to become a reality. He is my

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Speaker 4: partner in the foxhole of life and this shark infested

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Speaker 4: business where two worlds rival nations often do come together

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Speaker 4: and collide. It is CBS Sports and Showtimes, Luke Thomas

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Speaker 4: and Luke It's not just Friday. Ain't got shit to do.

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Speaker 4: We're twenty four hours removed from the fight business, coming

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Speaker 4: back in a big way with UFC two sixty one BC.

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Speaker 3: Why are you dressed like one of the guys that

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Speaker 3: blew the Tiger King for meth.

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Speaker 4: Well, how's it going?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 4: That was That was a good one. Can we can

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Speaker 4: we clue the people in Luke? First of all, I'm

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm not coming off a red eye flight, but

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Speaker 4: I mean I woke up on the buck crack of dawn.

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Speaker 1: To let's back up a step.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even realize you were doing Ring City yesterday

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Speaker 3: because you were at home in Connecticut. Where the hell

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Speaker 3: did they put the Ring City show last night?

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Speaker 4: NBC Sports Network? Last night? Ring City USA? We were

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Speaker 4: back West Point, New York, the United States Military Academy.

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Speaker 4: It was such a fun and unique event. We had

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Speaker 4: cadets lining the upper tier of the famous Hayes Jymnay's

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Speaker 4: him there. So that show went late. I got up

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Speaker 4: super early. I raced home to be here Luke. So

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Speaker 4: me just throwing on whatever I can find. You opened

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Speaker 4: our pre show telecast, which is not, you know, open

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Speaker 4: to the people by saying, Hey, BCU, do you know

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Speaker 4: that's a violation of the terms of our flag burning

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Speaker 4: laws or some bullshit? Look where I come from.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen forty two, the US Flag Code was established as

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Speaker 3: a way to preserve the honor and integrity of our

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Speaker 1: You are in direct violation of that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well okay, Luke, Well if the National Guard knocks

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Speaker 4: on my door during this interview. Look where I come from,

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Speaker 4: people put flags on everything, bro like that that weird

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Speaker 4: paper wraps around a hot dog. You know they serve

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Speaker 4: to you. There's probably even flags on that. Okay.

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Speaker 3: I know nothing speaks to American ignorance more than parading

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Speaker 3: the flag in violation of the actual code.

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Speaker 1: Behind the flag. But you know, people, what are you

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Speaker 1: gonna do? Nice to see you, BC.

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Speaker 3: And and by the way, I'm glad you're here and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's let's let's vaccinate the world, Luke with our knowledge, entertainment,

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Speaker 4: of Jorge Masvidal entering Saturday's title rematch. Look before I

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Speaker 4: get serious here, any other bits of ridiculousness you want

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Speaker 1: But no, dude, I'm ready to get this thing going,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you all want this party started, right? Y'all want

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Speaker 4: new era of safe watching, in person, full crowds, all

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I didn't. It felt like there was no pandemic.

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong. I don't feel like Jorge.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't a super assertive in this press conference, so

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Speaker 3: But there was a one point where Kamaru said, during

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and not a surprise that Jorge brought the crowd's enthusiasm,

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Speaker 4: back in this rematch opportunity. Yes, we had the storyline

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Speaker 4: largely one sided defeat. But here's what I love about

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Speaker 4: Do you think this narrative that we have been rightfully

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Speaker 3: Fortey Maswadoal is not on it, right. He's a critical

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Speaker 3: I'm choosing to feel this way just because I naturally

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Speaker 3: Gonna give any elite fighter a really tough time. You're

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Speaker 3: not gonna run over him. He is a threat. You

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Speaker 3: must take him seriously. But I expect Kamar Usman to

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Speaker 1: I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: You know, the MMA is wildly unpredictable, but that's the

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you feel the same.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna kind of, you know, almost spin that

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Speaker 4: look at this fight is Okay, they fought in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: There was the short camp, there were maybe some things

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Speaker 4: think we can all agree to things. Who Spawn's better

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the thing, Like it's a funny financial decision

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Speaker 4: Very interesting point right there.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's actually get into the x's nose of

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Speaker 4: To your point on aging and the division, our boy

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Speaker 4: as it pertains to this fight, Luke Masvidal, he didn't

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Speaker 4: It's always going to be a tough matchup. Do you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's exactly what you're going to see.

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Speaker 1: You really have to put it all out there.

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Speaker 3: If if you're on your back, either have to try

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Speaker 3: And I definitely don't want to hear about him being

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Speaker 4: So if your team Masvidal Luke, you're obviously trying to

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Speaker 4: But is it safe to say from a filthy cash

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Speaker 3: I mean, for a guy as experienced and talented as usman,

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what the bet is. This seems pretty

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Speaker 4: I think he probably will. So, Luke, the only good

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Speaker 4: He's tough enough, he's smart enough. I don't think he's

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Speaker 4: Five rounds, unanimous decision. Put it in the books tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: Right, because then you'd be like Kamaru can't quite retreat

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about this. Have have we picked other

432
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Speaker 3: than Adasanya in any of the resume reviews we've done?

433
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Speaker 1: Have we picked the favorite? Because Jorge underdog, the betting underdog, Woodley,

434
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Speaker 1: betting underdog.

435
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Speaker 3: Ata Sonia? I think he was the favorite slightly. What

436
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Speaker 3: were the other ones we did?

437
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Speaker 4: Ocnnor was the fourth? Meo chich was a betting underdog.

438
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Speaker 4: Didn't we pick him? Luke?

439
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 1: We picked him?

440
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 3: And was Connor the favorite over Poria? He must have

441
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,199
Speaker 3: been right, yes, Connor. So we picked only two favorites

442
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 3: out of five, It's like, yeah, no, wonder they keep

443
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:51,879
Speaker 3: losing they're supposed to.

444
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Speaker 4: Yeah, once again, we're not picking who. We're not necessarily

445
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Speaker 4: picking who he think is gonna when we're trying to

446
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Speaker 4: pick what's gonna make the most entertaining resume review, which

447
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Speaker 4: what is going to make the most clicks at the end.

448
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:01,880
Speaker 1: Of the day.

449
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,199
Speaker 4: So that sort of is what that is. But uh,

450
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 4: Luke Moswell is a different fighter than McGregor, but is

451
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Speaker 4: handicapping this fight? The same thing you would do in

452
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Speaker 4: handicapping a McGregor Normaga medal fight. I mean, that's the

453
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 4: same obstacles Mosita is potentially facing here.

454
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Speaker 3: I think Masswadal is much more durable over the long

455
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 3: hall of a fight than Connor. I think he's got

456
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Speaker 3: better cardio over the long hall of a fight than Connor.

457
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Speaker 3: He's definitely and this is gonna sound crazy to Connor's fans.

458
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Speaker 1: But it's true.

459
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,640
Speaker 3: Jorte is way more battle tested than Connor, especially late

460
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Speaker 3: in a fight. Like there's just no denying that. So

461
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 3: to me, it's like, yeah, it's it's similar ish, but

462
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 3: I don't think that Kamaru has the nimble, quick wrestling

463
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Speaker 3: aggressive style that Kabib does.

464
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Speaker 1: It's similar, but it's not quite the same.

465
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Speaker 3: And I don't think that Massvedal has the same liabilities

466
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 3: late in a fight at all that Connor has. So

467
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Speaker 3: that makes it much narrower of a contest. Still a

468
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Speaker 3: gap between them, but narrower.

469
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Speaker 4: True or false. When Dana and Ari and White Cell

470
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 4: all going back to the secret underground rich guy layer

471
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Speaker 4: before the start of this card, are they saying to

472
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Speaker 4: each other, man, I hope Porgey wins. They're probably saying there.

473
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Speaker 3: Right, probably, I mean probably, could you blame them, like

474
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 3: if Kamaru wins, you don't lose because now you have

475
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 3: a super special welterweight at that point. And if h

476
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,959
Speaker 3: but if Jorgey wins, dude, are you kidding me? If

477
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 3: I mean, they're gonna print money if Jorgey wins, They're

478
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Speaker 3: gonna absolutely, especially if they do Jorgey versus Colby.

479
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Speaker 4: After you tomorrow. Look, if Jorgey is your champion Saturday night,

480
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 4: Colby will be there, he would like, they will be that,

481
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 4: the posters will be getting printed Luke. As as the

482
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 4: referees waving off that fight.

483
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Speaker 3: Yeah, hundred percent, and they put that. And by the way,

484
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 3: one thing that Dana White also said, because you have

485
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Speaker 3: to think about it, like they're allowing fans this weekend

486
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Speaker 3: for better or for worse, There's not gonna be many

487
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Speaker 3: states that are gonna do that, at least probably for

488
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 3: a little while. I don't know exactly what the rules

489
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 3: are in Texas. I think it's pretty similar. So the

490
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 3: UFC is somewhat limited if they want to keep having

491
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Speaker 3: fans in terms of where they could go. Dana White

492
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 3: even said if Florida's let's say, the only one in

493
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one that is going to open up pretty consistently.

494
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 3: We'll just keep coming back to Florida. So dude, you

495
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 3: could just go right back to Florida with Jorgey and Colby.

496
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 3: Put that one closer to Miami or than North Florida,

497
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 3: and dude, you're gonna make an absolute metric ton of cash.

498
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Speaker 4: Let's say Jorge defeated Usman and let's say they gave

499
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Speaker 4: him Colby next, and let's say he won that. This

500
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 4: is wild, but you think Connor gets a welterweight title

501
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 4: shot before Usman does. Had a chance of regaining his

502
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Speaker 4: belt against a mospital.

503
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Speaker 3: Only if he really shines against Poier, if he doesn't,

504
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 3: even if he wins, but like he kind of like, eh,

505
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 3: you know no, you got to go in there and

506
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 3: do it to him what you did the first time.

507
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 3: Just absolutely bulldoze him. Would you bring back the here

508
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 3: you know, you know what he needs. He doesn't need

509
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 3: a win BC, he needs Connor magic. That's what's missing,

510
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 3: the Connor magic. You bring that back. You can sprinkle

511
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 3: that bitch on anything and it automatically just becomes great.

512
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot like ketchup

513
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 4: in that regard, Luke, okay, thank you. Final bit of

514
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Speaker 4: note on that, uh Normaga Medov Connor two was obviously

515
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 4: the great white whale that had motivated Dana White over

516
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 4: the past you know, two years, ever since the first fight,

517
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 4: really past three years, whereas I need to get that

518
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 4: rematch to happen because that's our you know, Ali Fraser,

519
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 4: that's our our big one. Do you think Dana's mind

520
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 4: and brain has shifted now to Connor Jorge under any

521
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 4: circumstance that's the next one, because it doesn't seem like

522
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 4: he's willing to break banks to making Gonu Jones right now.

523
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Speaker 4: So is Connor Jorge his next lustful pursuit?

524
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Speaker 1: I don't think so.

525
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Speaker 3: I think that's only I think they only are even

526
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 3: remotely interested in that if lightning strikes and they can

527
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 3: and you know, however tortured.

528
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: The metaphor is catch it in a bottle whatever.

529
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 3: Only if several doors that unexpectedly open up, say hey,

530
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 3: now you have tons of options you didn't have before.

531
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 3: Oh okay, great, But I don't think they think all

532
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 3: of that's going to happen, and they don't need it

533
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 3: to that's the other part. Yeah, it'd be great to

534
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: have some interesting, fun, crazy permutations and we might get there.

535
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 3: But even if we don't, the ones that are more likely, Dude,

536
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Kamaru versus Colby two. I'm interested in Jorge

537
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: versus Colby one. I'm interested in both as rivalries and

538
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 3: as fights and how the two intersect. Those you can't

539
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 3: lose with them. But to your point, could there be better?

540
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

541
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 3: Sure, either way, dude, I'm telling you, the house always wins,

542
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: and the UFC is the house.

543
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 4: It's a lot like Parker Lewis Luke right. Anyway, Luke,

544
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 4: the cole main event is your best fight of the weekend,

545
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 4: best fight of the night. To get fired up, Wayley

546
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 4: Jong Jong Wayey excuse me? Is the correct way to

547
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 4: say that. Defending her championship against the former title holder

548
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 4: Rose nami unis Luke Strawway always delivers two top five

549
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 4: pounds four pounders here. This has the potential to be

550
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: a classic. You got the straight ahead, aggressive yet skilled

551
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 4: style of Jongway Lee, and you have the more technical,

552
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 4: let's say, thoughtful counterboxing of Rose mixed with the potential

553
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 4: advantage on the ground. We'll off to see in terms

554
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 4: of her great submission game, what she used to be

555
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 4: known for. But I think the whole breakdown of this fight, Luke,

556
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 4: separate from the anti communism and all the storylines, is

557
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 4: what's it gonna look like? I think Rose is the

558
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 4: only one capable of slowing Waylee down, making her go

559
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 4: to plans BC and D all that great stuff. We

560
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 4: could see five incredible rounds here, But it's Rose's mindset

561
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 4: that is the key wild card in this matchup.

562
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Speaker 3: True or false, it's Rose's mindset false. I don't know

563
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 3: why that would be true.

564
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Speaker 4: Well, let me tell you, Luke, because when she's on

565
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 4: her game, she's the best straweight of all time. You

566
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 4: know that round one versus Androge the first time around, don't.

567
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 4: I don't know the two youanna fights. She's the best

568
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifteen pounder when she's there, when she's

569
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 4: looking out from the top of the hill, Luke, But

570
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 4: she slides down that hill sometimes mid fight. Her level

571
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 4: of focus, that same killer that came out in round

572
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 4: three against Androge in the rematch. If we get that

573
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 4: she's winning that belt, Luke, She's the only one that

574
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 4: could be this Jong Wayley Right now.

575
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Speaker 3: I agree that if we get that and we get

576
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 3: enough of it, she will be the champion. I will

577
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 3: give you that, But let me just stay why the

578
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 3: fight against Jeong Wail. Let's the fight against Jessica and

579
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 3: drage that Rose domi Unis had told me a lot right.

580
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 3: It told me that you're right first round dialed in.

581
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 3: Rose Nama Yunis is the best strawweight I think I've

582
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 3: ever seen. Okay, but here's the problem with the way

583
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: that all comes together. It's not that she's a front runner.

584
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 3: In fact, far from it. We saw that in the

585
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: rematch with Yoanni and Jchek as we talked about it.

586
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: I think on Wednesday Show that fight was too two

587
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: heading into the fifth and Rose was the one who

588
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: took control of it. So this idea that she just

589
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 3: fades over the stretch is not true. But she did

590
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 3: fade quite badly against Jessica Andraje. Now, Androje is not

591
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 3: the same as Jeong Wi Lee by not even close.

592
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: They have very different styles, but one common thread we

593
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 3: probably shouldn't anticipate and could see is a pressure forward

594
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 3: style from Jeong Wi Lee. I don't know that she's

595
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 3: going to want to allow Rose Nama units to come

596
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 3: forward on her, and I think early on that's going

597
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: to create some trouble for her. In fact, I do

598
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: expect Rose to shine pretty early. You add in the

599
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 3: fact that Jeong Wi Lee does not have good head movement,

600
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: b see, and that's really going to be true. So

601
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 3: either that's going to go down a cliff and fall

602
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: off the cliff, I should say for Jeong Wi Lee,

603
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: or she's going to get tuned up early and then

604
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 3: she's going to begin to make adjustments and from there

605
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: then we're going to see who really is the best

606
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: straw of all time. That to me, that space when

607
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 3: she can finally get a better read on the timing,

608
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: When when Rose slows down just a little bit by

609
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: natural fatigue and she can begin to get out of

610
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: that little problem area. That's where the rubber meets the

611
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: road jack. And that's the part that I can't figure

612
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: out what's going to happen.

613
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think that does actually in the

614
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 4: end support My point is basically saying, when Rose is

615
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 4: jacked up and dialed in on there, she has the edge.

616
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 4: She'll need to have a good shot here to be

617
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 4: a live underdog, but she's going to have to control

618
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 4: most of the terms of this fight, I think, Luke.

619
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Speaker 4: I think that's the wildcard factor there, because Jung Way

620
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 4: Lee is better than just describing her the way I

621
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: just did, right straight ahead pressure. I mean, she can

622
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 4: make adjustments. She's got great technique, She's got everything, Luke,

623
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 4: she really does. I think we're just talking about a

624
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 4: supremely technical Rose when she's in that peak form. If

625
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 4: Jung Way Lee can make the adjustments and win this fight,

626
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 4: and particularly by decision, in my eyes, Luke, I mean,

627
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 4: I don't know if she's living for a while because

628
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 4: this is the challenge for her. Yes, Joanna was able

629
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 4: to just stay on the same groove is young and

630
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 4: push her to insane levels, but I think that was

631
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 4: more of a you know, maybe a necessary war of

632
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 4: attrition that Wayley had to go through to realize exactly

633
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 4: who she is. If she can out maneuver an out

634
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 4: game plan and out technical Rose while also being aggressive

635
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 4: and landing big shots, I mean, it's in place. It's

636
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 4: the reason why she's the favorite heading into this fight,

637
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 4: then you're right. We are going to find out that

638
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 4: she absolutely is the best in the world with potential

639
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 4: to be a truly special fighter. And again this all

640
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 4: circles back to why this matchup is so good. Do

641
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 4: you have any you know, thoughts of a potential stoppage

642
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 4: either way here? Because I was expecting twenty five full minutes, Luke,

643
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 4: what are you expecting?

644
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, dude, both have fight ending ability. I mean,

645
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: it's just a fact, you know. And Rose probably more

646
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 3: well roundedly, although that's maybe someone unfair, but you know,

647
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: she can certainly take aggressive action, fight ending action in

648
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: the grappling department, perhaps in ways that Jean Wilee doesn't.

649
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, dude, these women are okay. You know, their

650
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: last two fight, the last fights for each of them

651
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: went to a decision. Fine, and these are both gonna

652
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: be tough ladies to finish either way. I don't mean

653
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: to suggest that the door, you know, the bottom can

654
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: drop out at any time, but when you've got aggressive,

655
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: capable finishers with punching power, with good cardio, I mean,

656
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: it's gonna take somebody special to stand up to that.

657
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: So maybe they are. But even as good as they are, BC,

658
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if one of the men's up

659
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: having to have a referee intervene on their behalf it's

660
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: just the nature of the beast. When you got fighters

661
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 3: this good.

662
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 4: I don't see where we lose here. This will be

663
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 4: the fight of the night. This will be Uh. Has

664
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 4: the potential to be dramatic, has the potential to just

665
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 4: be an absolute classic mix of Will and Tell, by

666
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 4: the Way and all that great stuff.

667
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: BC.

668
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 3: Real quick question for you, if you have to rank

669
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: these three title fights based on your truly subjective your

670
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 3: level of anticipation for them, how would you how would

671
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: you redo main comain feature.

672
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 4: My personal level of care? Yes, you know, it is

673
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 4: not a not meant to be a disrespect to the

674
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 4: main event, but I think that's the third most intriguing fight,

675
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 4: and largely because we've seen enough of it up to

676
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 4: this point, I think to fuel our idea of what

677
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 4: the second one will look like. So uh, you know,

678
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 4: I get that there's a lot of people that are

679
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 4: just gonna hear for Jorge, and that's fine, right, you know,

680
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 4: I want to see too if he can do something

681
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 4: different and pull it off. He's dynamic to watch. But

682
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 4: the other the two women's title fights, are the real

683
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 4: fights on this card. I mean, this is the I've

684
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 4: said I mean it. This is the last time Valentina

685
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 4: has a chance to be really challenged in this division

686
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 4: until somebody comes out of nowhere and just makes leaps

687
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 4: and bounds. And Androge is a live, live one and

688
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 4: we know it no matter who she's fighting. So both

689
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 4: of these fights are on the women's side, are insanely

690
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 4: compelling for them regard to find out who's the best

691
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 4: and be forced to see them both make the right

692
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 4: adjustments and show everything they have to get there. Luke,

693
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 4: to me, you know it's the main of it is

694
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 4: not an exhibition, but it's closer to that than these two. Luke,

695
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 4: straight up, you know that it's true.

696
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say I would put Rose and Jean

697
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: Wiley first. I think you could put Kamaru and Jorge

698
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: second if you wanted to. I agree with you, though

699
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 3: I would put the woman. The sorry the ship Cheko

700
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: in on Rodge fight is comine and that would put

701
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: the main eventus third.

702
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 4: All right. I checked down with Rose no Immunis this

703
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 4: week on Morning Combat, and I encourage everybody to check

704
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 4: that out on YouTube. Put her on the spot. I

705
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 4: challenged her about the anti communism comments and the overarching

706
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 4: you know, hints of racism that some people thought, and

707
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 4: the whole degree of PC culture and whether that was

708
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 4: a smart move. We get into that, but Luke, I

709
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 4: can't dictate the terms and trends of the subject matter

710
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 4: we talk about here, right Yo, wanna gets brought up?

711
00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 4: It just happens, Luke. Here's Rose's response. I saw the

712
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 4: aforementioned you want a young j check mentioned quote. The

713
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 4: baddest bitch on the planet is coming back and she

714
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 4: wants the winner of this fight on Saturday night.

715
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 5: Uh.

716
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 4: You know, I don't expect you to have a big

717
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 4: reaction to that. But if you beat way Lee, you

718
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 4: against you want a third time? I'm sure that's a

719
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 4: big ass fight to make. The fans would love it.

720
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 4: But would you have the same motivation having defeated there

721
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 4: twice to have to do it a third time.

722
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 5: I'm always motivated to fight the boogie, so uh that

723
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 5: would that would always excite me?

724
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 4: Have you here? Have you grown to love? You want

725
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 4: a young j check?

726
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 5: Is?

727
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 4: They're a party that's like, you know, she's spunky, She's

728
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 4: she's okay in the end.

729
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love her, man, She's you know, we wouldn't

730
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 5: the we wouldn't Uh, I wouldn't be the person I

731
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 5: am today if it wasn't for her. And you know,

732
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 5: I love all my opponents there they always bring out

733
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 5: the best to me.

734
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 4: Look, I think we can all agree with that. I

735
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 4: don't think i'd be the person I would be today

736
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 4: without YO wanna as well? So look, you know.

737
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 3: You know what, I also would not be the person

738
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 3: that I am today without her lovely intervention.

739
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: In my life.

740
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 4: By the way, how about those two Lithuanians right there,

741
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 4: just joining together, mixing cultures, having fun. Did you see

742
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 4: her mention? You know, I'm always down to fight the boogie.

743
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 4: I mean she was free and loose. Luke, that was

744
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 4: like two old buddies hanging out. Right.

745
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 3: You're as Lithuanian as Mike Perry is black.

746
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh wow, Wow that was a that's a that's

747
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: a dig.

748
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 4: Look that it's a good one. Wow.

749
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: That actually hurt a little bit so so so no

750
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: n words from you, Brian Campbell.

751
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 4: Vilnius is the capital. Didn't I dead wrong myself on

752
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 4: that one?

753
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: Wow's right?

754
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 4: I Luke? H nah, Well you know the conversation went

755
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 4: went there. Everything's coming up JJ. It is what it is, uh, Luke,

756
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 4: I want to get your pick, though, I want to

757
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 4: get your legitimate answer here, who's going to be the

758
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 4: strawweight champion come late Saturday.

759
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: Man, it's a difficult one.

760
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 4: Uh.

761
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 3: I guess I'm gonna say Rose, you know, and I

762
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 3: I there's the thing, man, you know as well as

763
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 3: I do. Dude, you get a title and then you

764
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: lose it. Getting it again is very difficult to do.

765
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: You know, someone like Saint Pierre when he lost it

766
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 3: to Sarah kind of made it a bit of a

767
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 3: formality and getting it back, you know, But even then

768
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 3: you were like, I remember when the Sarah and GSP

769
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: rematch happened, and I was like, Okay, GSP should win this,

770
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 3: But Jesus, like, that's what we thought the first time.

771
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: And you know, so that even is a sure thing,

772
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 3: it was never a sure thing with this one.

773
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: Listen.

774
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: I think a pick in either direction is very easy

775
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 3: to do. The reason I sighed ever so slightly, I

776
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,479
Speaker 3: guess with Rose is that I do think she's gonna

777
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: have a lot of success early and I think that

778
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 3: by the time either A that's gonna finish off Jean Wiley,

779
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: which I don't anticipate, or be much more likely that

780
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 3: Johng wy Lee is gonna mount a serious comeback, but

781
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a little bit like the Androge fight

782
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: where Rose kind of escapes by the skin of her teeth.

783
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 3: Plus you know the judges. The judges are gonna be

784
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: listening to the fans. I know they think that they

785
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: don't listen to the fans, but they're human beings, and

786
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a massive gap in star power and

787
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 3: fan sentiment between the main I should say, between the

788
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 3: A and the B side, and that one there as well,

789
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: so well, I guess I guess Jong would be the

790
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 3: A side in terms of a rank, but you know

791
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 3: what I mean terms of fan appeal. So I tend

792
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: to think it's gonna play a role as well.

793
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 4: I like that Rose pick right there. Once you go

794
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 4: Baltic Luke, you you never go back, I think, is

795
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 4: how they something like that war Thug rows interesting. Can't

796
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 4: wait to see the third title bout of that trio,

797
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 4: of course, Valentina Chefchenko and former straweight champion Jessica Androge,

798
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 4: who looked fantastic moving up to one to twenty five,

799
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 4: stopping Kitlyn Shaqui in her debut. There we've seen Andrage

800
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 4: fight and be competitive as high as one thirty five

801
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 4: in the past before they had these lower divisions. Luke,

802
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 4: I think the best thing you have to love about

803
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 4: Androje and her potential chances here not only the fact

804
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 4: that she carries that puncher's chance right at all times.

805
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 4: She has a legitimate fight ending power. But Luke, I

806
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 4: always give Androge credit, whether it's the first fight with

807
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 4: Rose we're talking about for the title, or it's even

808
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 4: her title loss to Yowana previously at strawweight. Is even

809
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 4: if she's badly out of the fight on the scorecards,

810
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 4: Androge does not get down, does not stop trying to win.

811
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 4: I thought she hurt Yowana twice late in that fight,

812
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 4: after a level where you're like, okay, I know where

813
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 4: this fight's going. It's over. No, it's not over. That

814
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 4: really could serve her well here, Luke, she knows who

815
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 4: she is. She's a slugger. She's looking for that opening

816
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 4: and that opportunity. Do you think that will create a

817
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 4: very cautious Valentina. And I say that because Valentine has

818
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 4: been so stinking dominant in this division. But the level

819
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 4: of ability she's facing, I mean, it's been a drop

820
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 4: off sometimes we've maybe criticized her. I puts a little

821
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 4: bit too safe against Carmush, Right, there's been not everybody

822
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 4: gets you know, is there to be kicked in the head.

823
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 4: Let's say, like uh like evil eye, but uh, do

824
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 4: you think we're going to see a cautious Valentina because

825
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 4: of the legitimate danger that Androge brings.

826
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 3: I think you will see her try to be cautious.

827
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: I mean this idea that yeah, you're right, Chevchenko has

828
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 3: this reputation as somebody who just goes there and you know,

829
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: knuckles everyone into the canvas, and that's really not true. Yeah,

830
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: if you give her openings, she's going to destroy you.

831
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 3: That part is clearly true. You mentioned the Jessica I fight.

832
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: That's one, but even some other ones before that, like

833
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 3: the Jessica Penny fight.

834
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: You know it's gonna be what am I saying?

835
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 3: That Penny fight, Uh, Juliana Pina where she was able

836
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: to go for the arm bar underneath, Like she takes

837
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: advantage of openings no matter the phase of the game.

838
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: The thing that I would say is to what extent

839
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: is Androge going to be successful at disrupting what is

840
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: almost certain to be going to going to be a

841
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 3: game plan from from chev Chi that is, let's just

842
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: call it, what is gonna be risk averse. I guarantee

843
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: she's gonna try Schevchenko is. So the task that Androge

844
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 3: has is to what are you gonna do? You're gonna

845
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 3: out technical this person. It's never going to happen box

846
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 3: a brawl or brawl a boxer. She's gonna have to

847
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 3: go in there and rough it up and make it ugly,

848
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 3: and I think she's gonna have a very hard time

849
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 3: doing that. She's physical at it, she's gotten better at it,

850
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 3: and over time, just the amount of it eventually sort

851
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: of means if you don't get finished, you're gonna have

852
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: a moment of success certainly here or there. It's just

853
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: a numbers game at that point. Still, as you can

854
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 3: see from some of the losses that she's had, the

855
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 3: close one against Rose and the one against JJ, it's

856
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: enough to be dangerous, it's often not enough against elite

857
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: fighters to get over the hump. I think it's gonna

858
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 3: be a similar dynamic, however, it plays out in the

859
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 3: individual circumstances with Valentina Chevchenko.

860
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 4: Luke Schifchenko's fresh off that title defense against Jennifer Maya,

861
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 4: in which I think we were a little bit surprised

862
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 4: that Maya's level of toughness and even aggressiveness forced a safer,

863
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 4: not a cautious, but maybe a safer side of Chefchenko.

864
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 4: And I think we saw that illustrated in the work

865
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 4: she did on the ground. I mean, Valentina has completely

866
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 4: rounded out every you know, every edge crossed, all the

867
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 4: teas and eyes. Her game is absolutely complete, maybe even

868
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 4: to a level that for all the credit we lost her,

869
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 4: we don't credit enough. Do you think she can slow

870
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 4: down the danger in this fight by taking Jessica down?

871
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 4: Do you think that's going to be part of her

872
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 4: strategy after what we saw against Maya?

873
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: For sure, the question is can she hold her down

874
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: and keep her down? That part I think will be

875
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 3: is a little bit more remains to be seen. But

876
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 3: when you've watched the takedowns of Chefchenko, they're well timed.

877
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: They usually happen a lot when someone's coming forward towards her,

878
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: so she can use that momentum against them. And you

879
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: know she's got it from body locks. She has them

880
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 3: in the middle of the cage so they can't use

881
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: the fence to get up. I have no doubt she's

882
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 3: going to take her down probably at some point. I

883
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 3: just wonder how sustainable that is. That to me's a

884
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 3: little bit more unknown.

885
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 4: I don't remember ever seeing Valentina Chefchenko hurt am I

886
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 4: forgetting a moment.

887
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 3: I think in the first Amanda Nunas fight, she had

888
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: she ate some big punches.

889
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 4: Good point early on in that before she made that adjustment. Yeah,

890
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 4: I mean, it'll be interesting again, what we're what we're

891
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 4: watching for is that puncher's chance. Cannon and rodge Land

892
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 4: the type of power shots that can get Valentina off

893
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 4: her game and open up some type of finishing opportunity.

894
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 4: It will be fun to see. But the pick is

895
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 4: Valentina all day, every day, Luke, it has to be.

896
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

897
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: I mean, you'd be foolish to say someone like Androge

898
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: has no chance to win this. But you'd be a

899
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: dumb ass if someone was like, bet everything that you own?

900
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 3: Who do you put it on? You got a ride

901
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: with the champ here, right.

902
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 4: Don't be a dumb mess, all right, Luke? Two sixty one.

903
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 4: Beyond the three title fights, what are you looking at?

904
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 4: What is driving your interest level? You like two thirty

905
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 4: six year old middleweights when you're Ayah Hall and former

906
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 4: champ Chris Weidman stare down.

907
00:42:59,480 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: I got it.

908
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: I really do like this main card. I think the

909
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: prelim card on this is, you know, not great, but

910
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 3: the main card really is. I feel like you're getting

911
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 3: a lot of bang for your buck. I do like

912
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: this rematch from your Ryah Hall and Chris Widman, the

913
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 3: first one having years ago in New Jersey when Chris

914
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: Widman was just running through middleweights anywhere they could find

915
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 3: enough to put.

916
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: In front of them. But you know, we're in a

917
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: very different time.

918
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: Your Ryah Hall has certainly had some ups and downs,

919
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: but has been I think somewhat at least somewhat reborn,

920
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 3: trending with four tous mma. A guy like Widman got

921
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 3: right in the Acmetov fight, but is in tough times.

922
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 3: I think still this is a very winnable fight for

923
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 3: someone like your Ryah Hall. I don't know what exactly

924
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: it would mean if you want it to be candid

925
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 3: with you, I think, oh, it'd be good, but like,

926
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: would it really reshape your opinion of your Ryal Hall.

927
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: I think it would still be more work to do.

928
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 4: There's this is more about gaining more momentum your eye.

929
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 4: Hall is on a three fight winning streak. To everything

930
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 4: you mentioned, he's almost having a Derek runs in like

931
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 4: older age, late thirties, kind of like you know, new team,

932
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 4: new attitude, and add this skill. Work on this better

933
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 4: not gonna get him a title shot, you know, or

934
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 4: anything like real soon, but this could be a given

935
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 4: Widman's name, I think, a good advancement opportunity, and I

936
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 4: think for Widman it's interesting. Luke So he had lost

937
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 4: five of seven before his last fight, all against elites,

938
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 4: of course, but the packaging of the losses, especially the

939
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 4: devastating ones, were certainly worrisome. Yet he looked fairly good

940
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 4: all things considered against ac Maudoff, right, I mean, he

941
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 4: you know, he moved well, he controlled the terms of

942
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 4: that fight. But now I got Widman going on I

943
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 4: think Ariels show and saying, you know, I'm a threat

944
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 4: to win this championship, and I got a four flight

945
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 4: window before I retire where I'm gonna win the belt

946
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 4: back and I'm gonna defend it once and then I'm

947
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 4: gonna retire. And then look I see people tweeting under

948
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 4: their going yeah, I think Widman does have the equalizing

949
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 4: style for both Whittaker or out of sign it. Look,

950
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 4: what the hell's wrong with people?

951
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if this was a Wideman pre Luke

952
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 3: rock Hold, maybe that might be true. You know, there

953
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: was there a point in his career where I saw

954
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 3: things out of him where if he said those things

955
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 3: at that time, you would find them to be very credible. Yes, yes,

956
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 3: I think there was a time in his career where

957
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 3: he very much could have played spoiler in that way.

958
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: In many ways, he was the guy who did play.

959
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: He was the one, whether you you know you thought

960
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 3: that the outcomes were normal or not. He was the

961
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: one that ushered in the decline of Anderson Silver, which

962
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 3: at the time was impossible to believe. And yet here

963
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 3: we are. So yeah, he has been that good. It's

964
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 3: not like a guy who was never that good just

965
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: saying shit. No, he was that good. He really was.

966
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: But that's not what he is right now. He's had

967
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: a folks lose sight of this. He's not just older

968
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 3: and had a lot of damage in terms of the fights. Dude,

969
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: Chris Wibens had a huge amount of injuries, lasting injuries too.

970
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: At Liz Frank issues with his feet and acl issues

971
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 3: with his knees, and God only knows everything else with him.

972
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: He's had a ton of problems and it's unfortunate. I

973
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 3: you know, I certainly hope he can have good quality

974
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 3: of life when this is all over, but it has

975
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 3: affected his ability to compete among all the other things.

976
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: And so do I find that he's a credible threat

977
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 3: to either Whittaker. I mean, Whittaker, you gotta be kidding me.

978
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 3: And you know, certainly a guy like out a sign.

979
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: Yet you know, his last fight was not the most

980
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 3: inspiring terms of takedown defence, and I do think Wiman

981
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 3: has good takedowns away from the fence, which makes it

982
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 3: kind of interesting, but enough to win over time?

983
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely not.

984
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 3: So first things first, you gotta get through your Ryah Hall,

985
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: and your Riyah Hall is better than he has been

986
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 3: in a long time and is training with a very

987
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 3: good team that's getting the best out of him. Let's

988
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 3: see what happens there before we talk about anything else.

989
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, Chris Widman is still my son, but twenty thirteen,

990
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 4: Chris Widman's not coming through that door, Luke anytime soon.

991
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 4: Still an interesting rematch, and I know you're gonna be

992
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 4: tied to the TV whenever Anthony Smith shows up because

993
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 4: you do you do certain things like that, Luke, you

994
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 4: moved by Jimmy crue here.

995
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: Yes, I like to give credit to fighters who deserve credit.

996
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: Is that a thing I know?

997
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 5: I get.

998
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 4: I like to follow fighters sometimes for different reasons. But man,

999
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 4: you love yourself some Anthony Smith. I mean, if it

1000
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 4: was a drinkable shake, Luke, you'd put it in the

1001
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 4: blender each morning. I mean, this is this is getting you.

1002
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: Listen.

1003
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 3: I would swallow my pride, I would choke on the rhinds,

1004
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: but the lack thereof would leave me empty inside.

1005
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 4: Yes, wow, turn it inside out. Look, I love it. Okay, I.

1006
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 3: Listen, listen.

1007
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 4: We could have been hanging out years ago.

1008
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: BC. I don't.

1009
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: I don't know enough about boxing to say this is

1010
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: true in boxing or not. But let me say something

1011
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 3: I have noticed in MMA, and it's something actually you

1012
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: see with the main event competitor in Jorge Masvidal. There

1013
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 3: is a class of guy in MMA who, in the

1014
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: normal timeframe of what the elites do, can't become elite.

1015
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 3: So let's say if you start fighting professionally at twenty

1016
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 3: two that in your first ten years, you become elite,

1017
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a class of MMA fighter who doesn't

1018
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 3: actually do that. Now, they're gonna beat a lot of

1019
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 3: everybody else, they're gonna get close, they're gonna give good

1020
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 3: fighters tough times, but they're not actually going to get

1021
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 3: to that space themselves. But they will eventually later on

1022
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 3: find that space by virtue of longevity and making maybe

1023
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 3: perhaps right weight class choices along the way. Part of

1024
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: the reason why a guy like Jorge mass with All

1025
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 3: successful is one he was always quite good, not quite elite,

1026
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 3: but over time the skills just kind of added up

1027
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 3: and added up and added up, so by the time

1028
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 3: he was still a viable physical threat, everything came together.

1029
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 3: You're seeing guys like Carlos Diego Fajeda like that. He

1030
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: was never in elite lightweight when he was sort of

1031
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 3: competing in his late twenties kind of thing, but time

1032
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 3: just added up, and so he just got better and

1033
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 3: better and better, and his ability to stick with it

1034
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 3: over the long term in ways that a lot of

1035
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 3: fighters can't allowed him to finally maximize that learning curve

1036
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 3: in a way, even though he's a little bit older,

1037
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 3: you have a similar situation with Anthony Smith that he's

1038
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 3: not old, but he's been doing this a long time.

1039
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 3: He has a lot of reps behind it. He is

1040
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: a guy who, Yeah, he's probably going to be inconsistent

1041
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 3: at times, but I have a lot of respect for

1042
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: his career because I do believe he found himself in

1043
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: the right weight class and he is one of these

1044
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: guys that slowly, over time, through his longevity, has found

1045
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 3: out he can actually compete at a very high level

1046
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 3: when he is dialed in. Whether that will happen against

1047
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 3: Jimmy Krut use your best judgment, which you've got to

1048
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 3: give credit BC to the super achievers like John Jones,

1049
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: the ones who get there pretty quickly, like your normal

1050
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 3: sort of you know, Kamara Ousman level champion where he's there,

1051
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: you know, in his early thirties, and then there's gonna

1052
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: be a guy it's going to take a little bit

1053
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 3: longer to get there, and they can still do pretty

1054
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 3: amazing things, but people will lose sight of that because

1055
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 3: they get impatient about their journey.

1056
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 4: God, oh you need is a trench coat, a boom box,

1057
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 4: a rainstorm, and you know in your eyes, Anthony Smith,

1058
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 4: the light, the heat, look I mean, say anything, brother,

1059
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 4: I think you just sent r final bit of UFC news.

1060
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 4: As Dana White was on Bill Simmons podcast over the

1061
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 4: last day to celebrate his twentyieth anniversary with the UFC

1062
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 4: and certainly plug two sixty one one interesting note Luke,

1063
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 4: Bill Simmons was, I mean, he was not right on

1064
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 4: his facts. He was very casual, as you'd guess in

1065
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 4: the ways that he's answering questions, but he was answer

1066
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 4: asking the type of questions to Dana that really surrounded

1067
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 4: like who's the next big thing, Who's the next you know,

1068
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 4: pay per view draw two years from now? Who do

1069
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 4: you see as the guy? One key name, Dana said,

1070
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 4: Luke Marvin Vittori, and then he doubled and even tripled down, saying, look,

1071
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 4: I think Vittoria has the potential to do things in

1072
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 4: Italy that Connor McGregor did in Europe in general, which is,

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Speaker 4: you know, wake up an area and create new UFC fans.

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Speaker 4: And then he mentioned that the Fertina brothers who are

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00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 4: Italian love them some Marvin Vittori, and then he mentioned Luke. Oh,

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Speaker 4: by the way, let me slip in some breaking news

1077
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 4: here on the Simo pod, Rob Whittaker might not be

1078
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 4: as ready as he needs to be for Audusadia's timeline

1079
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Speaker 4: to return, and Dana White told Bill Simmons that it

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00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 4: looks like Marvin Vittoria is going to get the next

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00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 4: shot at Israel Adisnia when you get there the way

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Speaker 4: that we got there in that interview. Does this makes sense, Luke?

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00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: No, and you know it doesn't. Yeah, that's why you're asking.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense for Adisania's timeline if there was

1085
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 3: a well you mean Adisan his timeline that I guess

1086
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 3: the UFC wants. The UFC has a calendar they want

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00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 3: to build. They're constantly building it in all times, and

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00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 3: they want to get everything in terms of their title

1089
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 3: fights on schedule as often as possible. What you would

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00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 3: imagine any business with that kind of business environment would

1091
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 3: want to do.

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Speaker 1: That's that's what they're up for.

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Speaker 3: Fine, But the idea that Rob won't be ready, Yeah,

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00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: he won't be ready by the insane demand that the

1095
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 3: UFC wants. But the idea is, if you're the number

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00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 3: one contender, you make that fight next, even if it

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00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 3: means waiting a little bit longer. You of course could

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00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 3: not wait forever for Rob, but BC, I didn't hear

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00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 3: about him having any injuries. I didn't hear about him

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00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 3: having any lengthy medical suspensions. I've not heard about any

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00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 3: kind of post fight medical ailment that would otherwise delay

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00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 3: a relatively quick return to the cage.

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Speaker 1: So what it.

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00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 3: Sounds like is they want to have a middleweight title

1105
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 3: fight earlier in the calendar, and they're just gonna bump

1106
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 3: Rob out of the way and give it to Vittori

1107
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 3: in order to accommodate an expedited timeline.

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00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: Okay, you didn't just say it that way.

1109
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, just so that's what we always say. Look, if

1110
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 4: you're gonna sell me the lemon, tell me it's the lemon, right,

1111
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 4: I'll squeeze the juice out with you. But let me know,

1112
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 4: be honest with me. Don't like Brittany Luke. Don't let

1113
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 4: me be the last to know what's really happening here.

1114
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 4: It's not that I don't like a victory out to

1115
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 4: sign your rematch. It's not that I don't think Victoria

1116
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 4: isn't surging and ready for a title opportunity, But damn

1117
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 4: with a Kara to sign you? Two is the fight

1118
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 4: to make? Can I wait a couple more months.

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Speaker 3: I mean, come on, bruh, I know, and what Dana

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Speaker 3: and what Dana will say is, oh, we're not not

1121
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Speaker 3: giving him a title shot. He'll get one after this.

1122
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 3: You're just not gonna get the next title shot. But

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Speaker 3: that's okay, I mean that's sort of the point. Yes,

1124
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 3: I mean, if they weren't gonna give him one at all,

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00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 3: I'd be like, dude, what the fuck.

1126
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: But okay, they're gonna give him one.

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00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: How do you, Jesus Christ, how do you not give

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00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 3: the guy one? But you know, everybody knows who that

1129
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: fight should be for. And I gotta tell you, well,

1130
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 3: if a Tory wins and you know, and then it's rightful,

1131
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 3: then fine, But do you really want to spoil how

1132
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: big Rob versus Audasanya two could be. I mean, and

1133
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 3: you've got places, and it just so happens that the

1134
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 3: two countries that they represent have opened up a travel

1135
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 3: bubble between themselves for COVID, which means you can have

1136
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 3: stadiums and blah blah blah, you can do all that

1137
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 3: down there, and you might piss that away for a

1138
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 3: guy who, yes, I think. Can you dismiss the idea

1139
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 3: that a Tori can't be that friendly. I would not

1140
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 3: do that. I would very much say let's see what

1141
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 3: he can do. We've already seen his improvement. He's still

1142
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 3: very young.

1143
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: He could very much turne somebody.

1144
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 4: I mean, I got nothing bad to say about him, Lukey, Yeah, exactly.

1145
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 3: But the last thing is you've got something special between

1146
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 3: uh Ad Asanya and Whittaker. Has done everything you could

1147
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 3: possibly ask a former champ to do to get another

1148
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 3: crack at it. He it is a yeh, you know,

1149
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 3: I mean, what are you gonna It's just these guys

1150
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 3: don't have any So here we go.

1151
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 4: If I'd asked you forty eight hours ago to rank

1152
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 4: the most likely next pay per view stars for UFC,

1153
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 4: I don't think you would have had victory all that high.

1154
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 4: It's not that I'm saying that there's no potential there.

1155
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 4: I certainly is, but it's just timing everything interesting. Luke Quickly,

1156
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 4: you made your CBS Sports byline sort of full on

1157
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 4: debut this week. Can you plug the piece that people

1158
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 4: should be reading over there on cbssports dot com forward

1159
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 4: slash mma.

1160
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you uh, if you do, if you follow

1161
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 3: up me, if a gaff can put up the lower third,

1162
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 3: because I tweeted it out.

1163
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: It's just the easiest way to send it out.

1164
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 3: You can go to CBS dot cbssports dot com slash MMA.

1165
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 3: You can follow me on Twitter at l Thomas News.

1166
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: I tweeted it out.

1167
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 3: The article is called Usman versus Mass that all coaches

1168
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 3: analysts break down what makes each fighter elite ahead of

1169
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 3: USC two sixty one. You know, one of the things

1170
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 3: that really stood out to me ABC about the first

1171
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 3: five was that not only did you not get the

1172
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 3: very best of Jorge Masvedol, you really didn't get the

1173
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 3: best of Kamara Oospin either, because in the case of Masvidal,

1174
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 3: he took it on short notice, he had to spend

1175
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 3: all that energy to cut weight, he was not really himself.

1176
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 3: And then Kamaru was in good physical condition obviously, but

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00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,479
Speaker 3: the late opponent switch made him I think a little

1178
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 3: bit risk averse, and so you just didn't get the

1179
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 3: best of either one. But now they fought each other,

1180
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 3: now they had a full camp. They both made way today,

1181
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 3: no sweat, no issues. I think now you're gonna get

1182
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 3: a much better sense whoever wins or loses. I do

1183
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 3: think you're gonna get a much clear sense about the

1184
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 3: upper bound limits of a guy I like Masvidal and

1185
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 3: a guy like usbin So.

1186
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: I spoke to a few coaches and I talked to

1187
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Speaker 1: Fight Metric.

1188
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 3: It's like, tell me in your mind if I had

1189
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 3: to imagine I'd never seen these guys, tell me why

1190
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 3: they win, tell me what stands out about them, Tell

1191
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 3: me what in their games are special. And I've spoke

1192
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 3: to Dean Thomas obviously, who had trained with Jorgey for

1193
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 3: many years. I spoke to Eric Nixon, Brandon Gibson, I

1194
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,959
Speaker 3: spoke to Dan Hardy, and then I spoke to Fight Metric.

1195
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 3: Michael Carroll MJC flip the script if you want to

1196
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 3: follow him on Twitter to get better information about it.

1197
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 3: And for all the tape that I've ever watched, you

1198
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 3: could always learn something new, and I certainly did so.

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Speaker 3: If you really want to understand why is Kamaru's special,

1200
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 3: why is mass would all considered such a threat, this

1201
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 3: is a great place to start.

1202
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, check us out on that website cbsports dot com.

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Speaker 4: Forward slash MMA All your two UFC two sixty one

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Speaker 4: Brandon Wise and the two of Us and the Crew.

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Speaker 4: All right, Luke, Tonight is the PFL twenty twenty one

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Speaker 4: season opener. It's gonna go down Luke Ocean Casino Resort

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Speaker 4: in Atlantic City, Anthony Pettis and the main event making

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Speaker 4: his PFL debut, William Hill, our partner's minus five eighty

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Speaker 4: eight favorite over the plus four hundred Clay Collared. We

1211
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 4: tease this quickly the other day, Luke, the fight's there

1212
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 4: for Anthony Pettis to win. I love Clay Collared storyline.

1213
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 4: I want to see the resistance he can give. But

1214
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 4: could Anthony Pettis be like a sneaky star here for

1215
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 4: PFL if he keeps winning?

1216
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1217
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, he could be former UFC champion and did his

1218
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 3: UFC run on a high note. I don't know that

1219
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 3: PFL can make stars, but I think that somebody like

1220
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 3: him can still attract mainstream attention for PFL and for himself,

1221
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 3: especially if he wins all that money and there's a

1222
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 3: story to be told about that, which is you know,

1223
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 3: certainly possible.

1224
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1225
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 3: I think that both sides can certainly benefit from increased

1226
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 3: media attention. But I don't know that, like, you know,

1227
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 3: can can your local promotion make a star your local

1228
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 3: promotion can feature a star, your local promotion can feature

1229
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 3: star making moments. But you know it's the answer is, yes,

1230
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 3: it's possible. But it's very difficult for smaller operations like

1231
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 3: that to just have the media's bandwidth or even the

1232
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 3: social media kind of push to get that kind of

1233
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 3: thing happening. So I tend to think it's more about

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00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 3: just the paycheck. But it's possible.

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00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 4: Light Way Tournament also featured in the co Maine Nathan

1236
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 4: Shulty against Marchin held Luke, Are you a legitimate interest

1237
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 4: in this? ESPN two main card for featherweight Lance Palmer

1238
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 4: against Baba Jenkins. That fight don't blow?

1239
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: Now, that's all right, you do.

1240
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 3: Lance Palmer's had one of the most interesting careers in

1241
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 3: all of MMA. Most hardcore MMA fans couldn't pick him

1242
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 3: out of a lineup at all. There he is on

1243
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 3: the left. There was a team Alpha male guy for

1244
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 3: a long time. I'm not exactly sure's affiliation anymore. He

1245
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 3: might be a Glory MM and Fitness or maybe he's

1246
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 3: in Colorado somewhere.

1247
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not entirely certain.

1248
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 3: I haven't kept up, but he has one I believe

1249
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 3: two of these tournaments, which means, in addition to all

1250
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 3: of his other earnings, sponsors and whatever else, he's also

1251
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 3: had two million dollar checks cut his way. And I

1252
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 3: don't know if any MMA fans know who this guy is,

1253
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 3: aside from the very, very very hardcore ones. I've never

1254
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 3: seen a greater despair between an MMA between earnings and

1255
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 3: popularity then this guy. Usually it's the other way around.

1256
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 3: A lot of guys will be really popular, you don't

1257
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 3: think that they don't end up making as much money

1258
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 3: as you might know. Lance Palmer is the reverse. He

1259
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 3: has wisely figured out I can make a shitload of

1260
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 3: money fighting these guys. I'm not going to be very

1261
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 3: popular doing this, but I'm gonna get riches, balls, and dude.

1262
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 3: It's a good hustle if you can find it.

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Speaker 4: Man, Absolutely, I'm gond be This is the year I

1264
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 4: give PFL a try the benefit of the doubt. They

1265
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,919
Speaker 4: got enough names I care about. Let's do it. Let's

1266
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 4: see what you got here.

1267
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Speaker 3: Let me just say real quickly, I've been watching the

1268
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: PFL product for some time. It's a perfectly fine product.

1269
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 3: It's just there's so many demands on our time between

1270
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 3: UFC and boxing and belt or and everything else. It's

1271
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 3: just hard to fit in time. But dude, if you

1272
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 3: watch PFL, it's like watching one. I never watch one.

1273
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: And think they have a bad product.

1274
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 3: I just, you know, I just I want to be

1275
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 3: I can't always be one of seventeen billion.

1276
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 4: Good transition into Wednesday Nights one on TNT card Num

1277
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 4: three in a four week stretch of four cards, and

1278
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 4: Luke John Lindeker, the former UFC bandam Wait, he stayed

1279
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 4: to the script. He did what he does best. He

1280
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 4: sent people the hell Luke Troy Werthern was the first

1281
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 4: round victim right there, big right hand leaping in for

1282
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 4: the finish. Do you think, in hindsight like UFC was

1283
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 4: a little too quick letting the sky go when he.

1284
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 3: Let me see wait, let me see that again. Let

1285
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 3: me see that again. I want to see something here.

1286
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 3: If you can play it one more time, let's see. Yeah.

1287
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 3: I think he's just an alley step, not an anchor step,

1288
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 3: but either way, just steps out lands that right hand

1289
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 3: right down the middle.

1290
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I don't know why UFC let this guy go.

1291
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 4: It's wild. You know that. You can see there's still

1292
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 4: something left there. Puncher's always aged late seems to be

1293
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 4: in great shape and focus, Luke, I know there was

1294
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 4: some you know, look, there were certainly flashes of times

1295
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 4: where you're like, Lenny Kirk could be a UFC title challenger,

1296
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 4: and he never really quite got there, Luke. I mean,

1297
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 4: I thought it was alarming when Dillshaw beat the bags

1298
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 4: off him, Like he wasn't even in that fight, Luke,

1299
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 4: they were till miles away, miles away.

1300
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he was the kind of guy who was

1301
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 3: always going to give someone who at the time was

1302
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 3: very technical but hadn't been over the hump, like his

1303
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 3: fight with Rob Font, Like that was a really important

1304
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 3: fight for for Lineker and Font in terms of where

1305
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 3: they both were and where they were headed. He I mean,

1306
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 3: you're gonna tell me he wouldn't be a valuable member

1307
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 3: of the band. Can you imagine if he was still

1308
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 3: a Bandsomwaight? Do I think he's the world's best Bansomwaight?

1309
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 5: No?

1310
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 3: Do I want him fighting among the world's best Bandsomways,

1311
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 3: you bet your ass I do so.

1312
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 4: Uh.

1313
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 3: You know, if he's happy in one, he's making money,

1314
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 3: that's what's most important.

1315
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: But definitely I thought UFC a little too quick to

1316
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: let that guy.

1317
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 4: Go, especially when his record is eleven and two since

1318
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen. And I just called up his wiki real fast, thinking, Okay,

1319
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 4: maybe I'm a little too more excited about Lenker than

1320
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 4: I need to me. Is he sneaky thirty six right

1321
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 4: now or something? Look, the guy's thirty years old, so

1322
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 4: you know, crazy they done? This is interesting? All right,

1323
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 4: Let's keep the train moving here, Luke. Interesting reporting news

1324
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 4: from the athletics. Mike Coppinger, he was a sort of

1325
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 4: the first to jump out there saying this idea of

1326
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 4: a Floyd Mayweather Logan Paul boxing match exhibition, which was

1327
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 4: originally scheduled for earlier this year then postponed. Mike Coppinger

1328
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 4: reporting June fifth in Miami and reporting that it's gonna

1329
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 4: happen on Showtime pay per View, the long time pay

1330
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 4: per view arm of Floyd Mayweather. So here's the sort

1331
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 4: of update on that. Showtime Sports president Steven S. Minosa

1332
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 4: was on the Chris Mannix podcast yesterday. He came on

1333
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 4: and here's what he basically said. He turned away some

1334
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 4: of the reporting of Coppinger by saying the date's wrong.

1335
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 4: The site is no means secure up to this point.

1336
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 4: It could be six or eight different places. But Espinosa

1337
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 4: did sort of confirm two things. One Floyd Mayweather is

1338
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 4: gonna box Logan Paul, and two Showtime Sports is in

1339
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 4: business with Floyd Mayweather, and we'll continue that putting a

1340
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 4: fight like that on pay per view, Luke, whether it's

1341
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 4: that night, the night before, the night after, the week after,

1342
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 4: we're gonna see Mayweather and Logan Paul touch gloves here.

1343
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 4: So this is a bit of a loaded question considering

1344
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 4: Wednesday show, where we're just like, Okay, this is the

1345
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 4: last time we're gonna talk about Jake Paul ben Askin

1346
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 4: never again after this. But this isn't interesting a different

1347
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 4: sort of equation than Jake Paul against a guy with

1348
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 4: a name who's never really boxed. I mean, you sent

1349
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 4: Luke poor Anne Easton Gibb to hell on CBS Sports HQ,

1350
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 4: by the way, and he tweeted, he came back at you.

1351
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 4: He fired back on Twitter, which was humorous to see.

1352
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 4: But I mean this Floyd Mayweather, Luke. So some of

1353
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 4: the early reporting from Coppinger would be what that Floyd

1354
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 4: couldn't weigh more than one sixty in this fight, and

1355
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 4: we certainly know that logan. Paul would come in with

1356
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 4: a height and weight advantage and youth advantage. But that's

1357
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 4: about it. Against Floyd. What are your emotions, Luke to

1358
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 4: this idea, Because it's gonna do monster business. You and

1359
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 4: I may even have a chance to be there and

1360
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 4: do part of it. Who knows with our friends at Showtime.

1361
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 4: I'm certainly much more interested in this than Ben Askrin

1362
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 4: jump in. I mean, it's Floyd at the end of

1363
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 4: the day, Luke.

1364
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but over I'm no more interested in it.

1365
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 3: I'll say this, I don't think yes, we obviously I

1366
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 3: work for Viacom CBS, and so you can take that

1367
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 3: for what it's worth. I don't think, though, that it's

1368
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 3: crazy to say Showtime is going to do a lot

1369
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 3: better of a job than Triller in presentation.

1370
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: I just feel like that's a.

1371
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 3: Very fair statement to make the no matter what's allegiances.

1372
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 3: So I'll keep that in mind. I just don't understand.

1373
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 3: I listen, how many time, many fucking different times can

1374
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 3: I say this? What on earth could be the appeal?

1375
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 3: If people like this shit, I'm not here to take

1376
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 3: it away from you, you know, certainly I'm not in

1377
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 3: that position.

1378
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 4: What's different Luke, here's what's different. Okay, Number one, Floyd's different.

1379
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 4: He's forty four, but it's still different. You're watching see BC.

1380
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 3: It's a Floyd that is long past retirement versus a

1381
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 3: guy who's never saw number one boxer.

1382
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 4: But the real difference number two is some of those

1383
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 4: Jake Paul fights. At the back of your mind, you're like,

1384
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 4: he's gonna still win those. So if you're coming at

1385
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 4: this completely from like a cynical I just want to

1386
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 4: give my money hoping this clown gets knocked out point

1387
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 4: of view, well, Jake Paul keeps winning and keeps you know,

1388
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 4: not bursting your bubble there, and you know, basically just

1389
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 4: just stopping you from getting what you want. Floyd's gonna

1390
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 4: give you what you want, Luke, He's probably gonna stop

1391
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 4: Logan Paul fairly easily. But there is that size difference.

1392
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 4: There is the whole interesting nature of Hey, Floyd, you

1393
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 4: keep knocking on these doors to make easy money, and like,

1394
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 4: one of these times someone's gonna open that door and

1395
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:20,439
Speaker 4: be ready for you.

1396
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 3: Well see that's the thing, though, dude, Floyd. Floyd is

1397
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 3: so careful about this stuff. I mean, I've said this

1398
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 3: so many times about Floyd, especially late career Floyd, his

1399
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 3: timing when he took the Miguel Coto fight, his timing

1400
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 3: when he took the Canelo fight. He was so smart

1401
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 3: about I gotta get these guys, not when they're washed.

1402
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 3: Excuse Mekoto wasn't washed or Canelo wasn't good. He was

1403
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 3: quite good, but they weren't quite exactly peak at that point,

1404
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 3: and neither was he right. He was making a smart

1405
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 3: decision about what's a competitive fight that I could be in,

1406
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 3: that we could sell as a good partner, and blah

1407
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah. Okay, but you can just tell, dude,

1408
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 3: he makes good decisions. The tension Nascali fight, good decision,

1409
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 3: Connor mcgrean in terms of how I went for him,

1410
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 3: freaking great decision. This is probably the same thing he's Listen,

1411
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 3: I will take I said this on my life chat yesterday.

1412
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,439
Speaker 3: If Floyd goes in there and does what he did

1413
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 3: to Nascala, I will I will absolutely yank any criticism imaginable.

1414
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 3: I mean, if he just walks in there and just

1415
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 3: curb stomps him, I mean, you gotta listen. At that point,

1416
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 3: President Biden needs to call Mayweather to the House and

1417
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 3: give the White House, excuse me, and give that man

1418
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 3: the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest honor a civilian

1419
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 3: in this country can have. Maybe he should wear that

1420
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 3: shirt you're wearing while he does.

1421
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: It, BC.

1422
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 3: But if it's just gonna be something a little bit

1423
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 3: more akin to what we got with Roy and Tyson,

1424
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 3: while fun for romantic kind of reasons that in the

1425
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 3: former case, in the latter, like I just what would

1426
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 3: be the appeal other than Floyd fucking this guy up,

1427
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 3: which maybe will happen, but otherwise, I, you know, I

1428
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 3: don't get.

1429
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 4: There's the appeal of what would it looks like against

1430
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 4: a bigger, younger guy. Could he lamb the shot?

1431
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: Okay?

1432
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 4: But like you know, I don't think it is that that,

1433
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 4: Like this is strategic.

1434
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: This is the thing.

1435
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 3: See either he say, Floyd wins or loses. Okay, If

1436
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 3: he wins, what does it prove nothing? If he loses,

1437
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 3: what does it prove nothing?

1438
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 4: It shows how how ahead of the game he always

1439
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 4: is on making money. So it's like weird. It's like

1440
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 4: I can't figure out if Floyd should be better than this.

1441
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 4: And what I mean by that is he's legitimately one

1442
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 4: of the best boxers of all time. He's the guy

1443
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 4: of this era. He's also the greatest boxing businessman of

1444
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 4: all time. So part of me wants to be like Floyd.

1445
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 4: You should be better than this. I shouldn't have to

1446
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 4: see you against a twenty year old kickboxer or a

1447
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 4: YouTube sensation. You should happily walk away and train people

1448
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 4: and promote people. But then again, it's completely on brand

1449
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 4: for horror Floyd. Who who Floyd is getting us to

1450
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 4: care about a big event, controlling every aspect of it,

1451
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 4: including probably in his mind, exactly how the fight's gonna end,

1452
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 4: knowing the ability level between the two, and knowing how

1453
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 4: to make stupid amounts of money for relatively small amounts

1454
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 4: of work. I guess this is really on brand at

1455
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 4: the end of the day, Luke, this is what.

1456
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 3: Floy is brand. And honestly, your point is your point

1457
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,799
Speaker 3: is could Floyd be doing more right? Could the challenge

1458
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 3: be because it almost seems comical. It's like you're going

1459
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,839
Speaker 3: to fight a dude who made his fame on vine,

1460
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 3: who's not an athlete. I mean, he might have some

1461
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 3: athletic skill, but like that's not really who he is.

1462
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 3: He's not an adult who's been spending all of his

1463
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 3: you know, teen years in early twenties doing nothing but

1464
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 3: training for athletic competition. Okay, fine, he probably could beat

1465
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 3: somebody better, But dude, Floyd, I'm telling you, Floyd doesn't

1466
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 3: make a lot of mistakes in terms of how he

1467
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 3: handles the selection and the approach to opponents. He just doesn't.

1468
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 3: He doesn't make a lot of mistakes. And so, yeah,

1469
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 3: could he raise his game a little bit, probably, but

1470
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 3: at the stage that it's at, he probably really likes

1471
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 3: his chances to do well. And I think that there's

1472
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 3: good reason for that.

1473
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 4: Quick questions to close on this, will Floyd Logan do

1474
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 4: more pay per view buys than what we think Jake

1475
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 4: ben Askron did well?

1476
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 3: I don't think that Ben versus Jake Askron did anything

1477
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 3: close to what the reported figure out.

1478
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 4: But even if they did, even if they did, Floyd's

1479
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 4: gonna beat It's Floyd. I mean, Floyd's gonna beat that number.

1480
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 3: Look, he very well could beat it. There's one actually

1481
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,719
Speaker 3: key aspect here about this. Whether you like or dislike

1482
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 3: Showtime's decision to as as Steven Spinosa put it, be

1483
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 3: in the Floyd business and so therefore carry out this project.

1484
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 3: I do think it's noteworthy that a major broadcaster in boxing. Yes,

1485
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 3: I know my ties with it. I'm just saying because

1486
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 3: here's the thing. Floyd was gonna do this with some

1487
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 3: fly by night operation none of us had ever heard of,

1488
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 3: and they kind of backed out of it. And the

1489
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 3: Triller thing has been definitely good for attention in the

1490
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 3: pocketbooks of fighters. But as we know, there's like a

1491
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 3: real long term issue with how long they're just going

1492
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 3: to keep up with burning cash the way that they

1493
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 3: are and pluster some presentation issues with how you know,

1494
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 3: it's it's unprofessional to an unpalatable degree for many. But

1495
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,560
Speaker 3: what if you had like a real uh broadcaster like

1496
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 3: a Fox or a Showtime or previously an HBO or

1497
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 3: a de Zone. What if they and I know de

1498
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 3: Zone did the previous Logan Paul fight on another card.

1499
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 3: I'm just pointing out if the major players who do

1500
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 3: more traditional boxing get into it, to what extent does

1501
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 3: that elevate or grow the product? It'll be interesting to see.

1502
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 4: I think that's clouded by the idea that Fox, which

1503
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 4: does PBC right now and has a pay per view

1504
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:35,799
Speaker 4: coming up, they were also the ones who did celebrity

1505
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 4: boxing in the early two thousands when that point gangbuster rating.

1506
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 4: So final question, Luke, if Floyd beats Logan Paul, does

1507
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 4: he call out Jake Paul? And do we get a

1508
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 4: triller showtime pay per view co promoted monster event in

1509
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 4: which al Bernstein cashes two checks and gets high and

1510
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 4: Floyd Jake Paul Because the biggest fight you can make

1511
01:10:58,360 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 4: in the sport.

1512
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 3: I hope that if before we get to that point,

1513
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 3: if that ends up being inevitable, that someone breaks into

1514
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 3: my home and shoots ebola directly into my eyeballs, so

1515
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 3: that I neither have to bear witness to it nor

1516
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 3: live in a world where it does.

1517
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 4: Hopefully Anthony Smith will be there for the takedown defense

1518
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 4: to protect you, Luke. Final a little look ahead as

1519
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,759
Speaker 4: ESPN Boxing is back this weekend, So the well traveled,

1520
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 4: the busy, the entertaining. Emmanuel Navarette will be in the

1521
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 4: main event defending his WBO featherweight title against Christopher Diaz.

1522
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 4: Navarette one of those unsung heroes in boxing, always there,

1523
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 4: always busy, always defending. But it's that comin event, Luke,

1524
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 4: that I feel has that must watch quality when Edgar

1525
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 4: Borlonga sixteen and zero with sixteen first round KOs Luke

1526
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 4: keeps the streak going here against Deman Nicholson at your

1527
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 4: comin event in eight round super middleweight bout, Berlanga should win,

1528
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 4: But Luke, I don't know if you've seen these odds

1529
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 4: minus three thousand to bet on Burloga to win and

1530
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 4: to win. The over under on rounds is one and

1531
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 4: a half and the under is like minus two twenty five.

1532
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 4: So the expectation is that he keeps the streak going.

1533
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 4: But he also looked you know Puerto Rican prospect New

1534
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 4: York City Ties. I mean this guy, you know, friends

1535
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 4: with celebrities. This guy could be a star. He needs rounds, Luke,

1536
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 4: he needs rounds as much as I want to see

1537
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 4: him keep sending fools to hell in three minutes or less.

1538
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,520
Speaker 3: Man, if you guys aren't paying attention to Edgar Burlanga,

1539
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 3: he is a power puncher to the nth degree. Just

1540
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 3: absolutely shocking what he does to these opponents. I followed

1541
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 3: him on social media a few fights ago just to

1542
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 3: see what his life is up to. You're right, dude,

1543
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 3: Fat Joe is in the comments of his posts all

1544
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 3: the time. I think I've seen him partying it up

1545
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 3: with a bunch of other Latin stars as well. By

1546
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 3: the way, it should be noted, you know, not that

1547
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 3: I have my finger on the pulse of what's cool

1548
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 3: in Latin culture, by any stretch of the imagination, I

1549
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,759
Speaker 3: will say, did you see that our own Jorge Masvidal

1550
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 3: is gonna, I think, walk out even with a well

1551
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 3: dobla like he's this big time Rigaton singer. He's actually

1552
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 3: I think he's hooked up where he's boyfriend girlfriend with

1553
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 3: Carol g who's a big Columbian star. But anyway, point

1554
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 3: being said is, you know, the crossover in combat sports

1555
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 3: between you know, music and athletes has always been there,

1556
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 3: but now you're seeing sort of the Latin representation of it.

1557
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 3: Burlonga began to make inroads in it, and then our

1558
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 3: own horehem as it all gonna have something of a

1559
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 3: celebrity factor there for himself. On Saturday Night, I.

1560
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 4: Think we should be a weekly segment where Luke educates

1561
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 4: us on a Latin culture.

1562
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 3: It's fantastic, Carol, Yes, as a forty one year old

1563
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 3: with a straight white male, I feel most empowered to

1564
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 3: tell the world about what Latin's like and don't like.

1565
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 4: Well, apparently, look, I'm wearing a white Trashyan dead wrong

1566
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 4: shirt to the American flag. But we say many dead

1567
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 4: wrong things into the microphone each week, and luckily we

1568
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 4: have viewers who send into Morningcombat at gmail dot com

1569
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 4: to tell us what we got wrong, although more often

1570
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 4: than not it seems, Luke, they're the ones who were dead.

1571
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:00,040
Speaker 3: That's the real beauty of this segment is that we

1572
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:01,520
Speaker 3: get to dunk on the listeners.

1573
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 4: All right. Both Paytree and Mouhamer slid in and said, Hey, BC,

1574
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 4: on MK episode one, around the one hour thirty six mark,

1575
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 4: you said that Burj Khalifa was located in Bahrain. Well,

1576
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 4: I didn't say that. There was a picture of our

1577
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 4: Bahrainian friend with a building behind him, and I was like, hey,

1578
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 4: is that Burj Khalifah. They go on to say, while

1579
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 4: it's in fact located in Dubai of the United Arab Emirates.

1580
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 4: Not surprised that Brian didn't know, But for Luke, who

1581
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 4: is the self proclaimed expert in the region, this is disappointing.

1582
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 4: Love the show. Greetings from Oslo, Norway. I'm not sure

1583
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 4: which one of those two guys actually wrote this one,

1584
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 4: but first of all, shot out our Norwegian fans shot

1585
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 4: out our I got messages from guys in Libya, Algeria,

1586
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 4: this weekly. We got fans all freaking over and I

1587
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 4: love it. But basically they're saying, hey, BC, you're off

1588
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 4: the hook because you were born in a factory town

1589
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 4: and you're a raving idiot. But Luke Thomas, you spent

1590
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 4: some damn time and dolha brother, no, the no, the

1591
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 4: skyscrapers in your in your damn Persian Gulf upbringing.

1592
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, you know what I did. I did

1593
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,719
Speaker 1: watch that fair enough, all.

1594
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 4: Right, all right, I like how they did that there.

1595
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 4: This one I definitely did get wrong. Luke H. Martinez

1596
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 4: and Alex Jumping in bron was dead wrong when he

1597
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,640
Speaker 4: gets that Connas was the capital of Lithuania when it

1598
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 4: is fact Vilnius. To his credit, though, Connas was actually

1599
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 4: the inter war capital while Vilnius occupied by Poland during

1600
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 4: that twenty years straight. Luke I liked it. I was

1601
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 4: thinking more in like CCP era days. I must have been, luc.

1602
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 3: Fair enough, I mean, you were really digging in, like

1603
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 3: you know, is Richmond the capital of the United States?

1604
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: If you want to go back far enough, I get you.

1605
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 1: I get you player.

1606
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 4: Yeah it's yeah, it's still real to me.

1607
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: Damn it.

1608
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 4: Rose and I were talking Lithuanian history. It got Yeah,

1609
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 4: it was weird. All right, I'll take the day. I

1610
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 4: told you, I'll take the l there. Okay, I haven't

1611
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 4: visited the motherland yet, but uh I will, all right, Luca,

1612
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 4: another dead wrong coming in from Bobby have Adrian Omar, Hey,

1613
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 4: Luke and b see, thank you so much for all

1614
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 4: the great comment content. But in MK episode one, and

1615
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 4: have you seen this shit, BC says, we have zuppruder

1616
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 4: film footage that just came in of how Shogun Hua

1617
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 4: really lost to John Jones in their light heavyweight title bout.

1618
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 4: It was the clip you guys showed was actually the

1619
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 4: fight between Huah and OSP, not John Jones. That Ko

1620
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 4: Showgun after he slipped on the skateboard. By the way,

1621
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 4: I watched that fight again, this man says. And in

1622
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 4: that fight, OSP landed eight clean punches after Showgun was

1623
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 4: clearly out before Mario Yamasaki stopped the fight, clearly a

1624
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 4: super late stoppage. Luke, I know all all all dark

1625
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 4: fighters do not look like Luke, that was osp and

1626
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 4: I completely I don't know how I blew that, Luke.

1627
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 4: I'll take the L. I'll sit right down on the L.

1628
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 3: You know, like Ali g accuses people of being I

1629
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 3: don't think you're racist, but you are a racialist.

1630
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 4: That's not that's not fair. That's not fair, all right?

1631
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 4: BC taking another L here sent in uh at a

1632
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 4: recent episode when talking about Robert Whittaker, BC said, you'd

1633
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 4: have given the nod to the ghost. But Robert Whittaker's

1634
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 4: nickname is the Reaper. Did I really call him the Ghost?

1635
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 4: I don't.

1636
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 3: I don't remember you doing that. But that's what See,

1637
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 3: that's one of these ones. You got a double check.

1638
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, this one didn't have a name. It did have

1639
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,759
Speaker 4: a timestamp, but no episode and just the name. Our producer,

1640
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 4: Mikey Mormon needs to solicit this information from these people better.

1641
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 3: Is the Reaper a ghost?

1642
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 1: Right?

1643
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 4: Well, it's clear I'm thinking subconsciously of Robert Guerrero, the

1644
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 4: ghost who fought Floyd Mayweather. That's probably who I'm thinking of.

1645
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 4: But Luke, last night on Ring City USA, NBC Sports,

1646
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:43,759
Speaker 4: I wanted to say the uh. The Drunken Master Emmanuel

1647
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 4: Augustus and I called them both the drunken Sailor and

1648
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 4: the drunken Warrior. Look, I'm washed. Okay, it is what

1649
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 4: it is, all right? You so dead wrong me across

1650
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 4: multiple networks.

1651
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: Please drunk, He's just drunk.

1652
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's just drunk. Over there. To to Jared and

1653
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 4: Collin sliding in. On Monday's four nineteen show, Luke claimed

1654
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 4: that in Godzilla Versus Kong, he wasn't expecting Lawrence Olivier

1655
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 4: in quote Lawrence of Arabia except Peter O'Toole was the

1656
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 4: Lawrence of Arabia. Ali Guinness, who we know of course

1657
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 4: as Obi Wan played the part of Prince Faisal who

1658
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,640
Speaker 4: was going to be played by Olivier, but Olivier was

1659
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 4: not in that movie. Luke, take the damn l.

1660
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 3: All right, Elle here it is ell? Is it this side?

1661
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 1: Ell? Ell?

1662
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 4: All right? Thank you for the dead wrongs. Morning Combat

1663
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 4: at gmail dot com be a part of our Friday segment.

1664
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 4: Also our fan submissions on Wednesday. We love you all.

1665
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,640
Speaker 4: Thank you. Look, we have people that they do services

1666
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:41,640
Speaker 4: for a living. They're trying to offer us services. I mean,

1667
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 4: we have the nicest fans, Luke. I'm sure they'll kill you.

1668
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 3: One day, but you know, yeah, they will probably kill

1669
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 3: us one day. But I will say also we've done

1670
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 3: some looking into the metrics. Half of the MK audience

1671
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 3: is overseas. Half or Canada, which is not overseas, but

1672
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 3: you know, is not part of the United States. So

1673
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 3: we are thankful for all of our national listeners, our

1674
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 3: UK audience.

1675
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 4: I didn't realize it was as big as it was.

1676
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 4: It's the second biggest demographic. Also, we're strong in Canada,

1677
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 4: We're strong in Australia, Luke. A lot of white people. Unfortunately,

1678
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 4: can we get the whites?

1679
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 3: The whites really do? They gravitate towards us. I don't

1680
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,640
Speaker 3: know why that is per se, but they do.

1681
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 4: The red, white and blue, you know, anthemic waves. We

1682
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 4: do things here on this show. Luke, let's touch tips

1683
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 4: to close the show every Friday, give a little bit

1684
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 4: of suggestion out there to the people what to look

1685
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 4: out for. Tip of the cap. It is called just

1686
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 4: the tip tip on tip, tip to tip. I don't

1687
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 4: even know what it's called, Luke. Luke, show me your

1688
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 4: tip this week please.

1689
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 3: Mine will be like it's been a great two week stretch.

1690
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 3: So when you were not here last week, BC we

1691
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 3: did it and uh I was recommending. The fifteenth studio

1692
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 3: studio album from Cannibal Corps, Violence Unimagined, has been very

1693
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 3: critically acclaimed, but this week we change gears just a

1694
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 3: little bit. Out today is the sixth solo album from

1695
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,799
Speaker 3: the front MA from Jedime Trix Vinnie Paz.

1696
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: Let's see.

1697
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 3: I think it's called bear anything that bears excuse me,

1698
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 3: burn everything that bears your name. I've only listened to

1699
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 3: it for just a little bit this morning when I

1700
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 3: woke up. I felt like a kid on Christmas. Vinnie

1701
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 3: pass to me has a legit masterpiece in his album

1702
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 3: God of the SENGETI. But more to the point, he

1703
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 3: has put out either with his solo work with his

1704
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 3: original group Jedime Trix or the supergroup that he's a

1705
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 3: part of, Army of the Pharaohs AOTP, and in any

1706
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 3: of those cases, basically since the aughts, he's been putting

1707
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 3: out an album every single year. He recorded this during

1708
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 3: the pandemic. He put on another one during the pandemic,

1709
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:42,640
Speaker 3: so this is sort of the second one of them,

1710
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 3: if you can believe it. It's an incredible work rate,

1711
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 3: amazingly prolific artist and the new one out today.

1712
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 4: Go check it out, all right, Vinnie Paz. Look, my

1713
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 4: tip is just a suggestion. Here. I visited on Thursday

1714
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 4: for NBC Sports Rings City, USA, the grounds of the

1715
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 4: US Military Academy in West Point, New York. Look, I

1716
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 4: gotta say, I mean, that is some of the most historic,

1717
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 4: beautiful bucolic right on the Hudson River. The entire campus,

1718
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 4: there's so much damn history. If you get a chance,

1719
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 4: I don't know, to visit Torre attend a sporting event there.

1720
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 4: I cannot recommend it enough, Luke. I'm not necessarily somebody

1721
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 4: who's like, you know, dripping to see this all this

1722
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 4: specific kind of history. But you can't help yourself when

1723
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 4: you're there and looking around in the frame pictures of

1724
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 4: the famous generals and the Thayer Hotel that has all

1725
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 4: that old school history that I stayed in. I've seen

1726
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 4: football games in the past at Mitchie Stadium, Luke, right

1727
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 4: on the water there. It's an incredible experience. We got

1728
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 4: to go to Hayes Gymnasium on Thursday night for some

1729
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 4: very good boxing. And here's what's interesting and funny, Luke.

1730
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 4: Couple points one. You cannot go anywhere on the West

1731
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 4: Point campus without seeing beat Navy. It is painted in.

1732
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 3: Joe's fuck those Army pukes.

1733
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 4: First of all, on every Luke, I'm talking, as soon

1734
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 4: as you feel like I'm seeing a lot of beat Navy,

1735
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 4: you turn the corner in a room. Just there's rooms

1736
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,679
Speaker 4: that are built just to paint beat Navy on the wall.

1737
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 4: So on the air last night, Luke, you know, we

1738
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 4: had as a guest analyst, No no okay wbo junior

1739
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 4: featherweight or a super featherweight champion, Jamel Herring, oh super five.

1740
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 4: So I was like, hey, Jammel, you know they got

1741
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 4: they got beat Navy everywhere. I don't see. I don't

1742
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 4: see beat Marines. What's going on here? And he's like,

1743
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 4: they're smart. That's why they're smart. Is that not a rivalry, Luke?

1744
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 4: Is that not a thing?

1745
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 3: Listen, the Navy maybe our effeminate cousins in the military,

1746
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 3: but they are in fact our cousins in arms. So

1747
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 3: if you're a Marine, you have every obligation in the

1748
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 3: Navy versus Army battle to cheer for the Navy. In fact,

1749
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 3: you'll see that the Marine Corps ego globe and anchor

1750
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 3: the one I have tattooed on my forearm. It'll be

1751
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 3: on some of the uniforms for the football teams will

1752
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 3: have it on one of the sides. In addition to

1753
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 3: having the anchor for the Navy, and also if you

1754
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 3: graduate top one percent of your class from the Naval Academy,

1755
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 3: you have the option of becoming a United States Marine

1756
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 3: Corps officer. So we only recruit from the very best.

1757
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 3: They are again the runts of the litter, but.

1758
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 1: They are our litter. So I have to cheer for

1759
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: the Navy.

1760
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 4: So you and Army and Marines do not have a

1761
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 4: beef anywhere close to the level of Army Navy.

1762
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 3: That's that's confirmed, right they Yes, is basically a good

1763
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 3: way to put that.

1764
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:27,719
Speaker 1: Yes.

1765
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 4: Okay, look beyond beautiful. And you know, I got to

1766
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 4: call some cadet versus cadet intersquad scrimmage fights and that

1767
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 4: was fantastic to hear their story, to see their passion.

1768
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 4: The inside of the arena, the upper deck was filled

1769
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,759
Speaker 4: with cadets that were really provided a home crowd feel.

1770
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 4: But the only thing I didn't like about my West

1771
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:50,560
Speaker 4: Point experience Luke at the security borders. It's intense. It

1772
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 4: is intense in fact, Luke, when you're driving up to

1773
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:58,719
Speaker 4: the turnstile, there's a giant, blinking construction sign that says

1774
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 4: in cal caps, marijuana is illegal at West Point. So

1775
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 4: it's as if they were saying, welcome Ring City. But hey,

1776
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 4: all you hippies, don't you have to bring your trash

1777
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 4: into our you know, our nature setting here.

1778
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 3: This is so PC was like, I know marijuana is illegal,

1779
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 3: but is it still illegal if I've put it in

1780
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 3: my tummy ahead of time?

1781
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, Yeah, don't worry, marijuana.

1782
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna sneak you into West Point in my belly.

1783
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 4: Look, I have to admit, like I never wanted to.

1784
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 4: You know, I don't envy your run and your life

1785
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 4: changing run in a frat, you know what I mean.

1786
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 4: All your dirt balls can can go f yourself. But

1787
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 4: you know, I kind of some part of me makes

1788
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 4: me wish I had joined the Armed Services just so, Luke,

1789
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 4: I could have that experience, that camaraderie, that that that discipline,

1790
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 4: all the things, Luke, that that turns you from an

1791
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 4: absolute dirt hole into you in the marine.

1792
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 3: Somewhat less of a dirt hole. Yes, that's the only reason.

1793
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 3: Why was only reason, But That's a major reason why

1794
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 3: I joined. I didn't want to look back and be

1795
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 3: like I would have been, you know what would have been.

1796
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 3: But at the same time, when my time was up,

1797
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 3: my contract was over, I was happy to get the

1798
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 3: fuck out.

1799
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 1: So there you go.

1800
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 4: All right, you were Did you have a dishonorable exit

1801
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 4: by any chance?

1802
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 5: No?

1803
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 3: I had an honorable discharge. I had the highest one.

1804
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 4: I have honorable dischargers all the time. Look, I'll tell you.

1805
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 3: That your discharges are anything but honorable. You absolute dirt bag.

1806
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 4: Woo Hey, another week of Morning Combat is in the books.

1807
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,679
Speaker 4: Uh luke, Can the fans get a They're certainly gonna

1808
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 4: get my coverage this week on CBS Sports HQ. In fact,

1809
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 4: I'm gonna preview those fights a second we get off

1810
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 4: the air. Here are you going to be doing a

1811
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 4: post fight Morning Combat live reaction to what goes down

1812
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 4: Saturday night?

1813
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 5: Uh?

1814
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,600
Speaker 3: Yes, fights are over, We're going to be here and

1815
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,679
Speaker 3: we're going to Uh, we're gonna just go over everything

1816
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 3: and also be s. It's my daughter's birthday tomorrow, she

1817
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 3: will be too. And provided it does rain knock knock,

1818
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 3: we're gonna have an adult vaccinated outdoor birthday party for

1819
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:06,719
Speaker 3: my little one.

1820
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 4: Does that mean that you will be providing vascinations to

1821
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:12,879
Speaker 4: all people who need upon entry to your backyard?

1822
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 3: Yes, three needles only in the dick, and that's the

1823
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 3: only way to get in. You get the Johnson and

1824
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,719
Speaker 3: john VC. You get the Johnson and Johnson, the Pfizer

1825
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 3: and the Maderna straight to the hog.

1826
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 4: It's actually to the satchel. I only take Maderna to

1827
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 4: the satchel. That's great, by the way, I'm I'm not

1828
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 4: batting a thousand with the joke. But when I wait

1829
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 4: in line to get COVID tested before these fights, Luke

1830
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 4: and I do the Hey, I heard there was a

1831
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 4: rectal option. You should see the wild responses. I know

1832
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 4: sometimes that joke falls flat, Luke, but wow, man, so

1833
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 4: hold on, hold on.

1834
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 3: For folks who think BC might be joking, he's not joking.

1835
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 3: I have been with him in the room when we

1836
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 3: have to get COVID tested, and my man will straight

1837
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 3: up dead fan be like, do we have an option

1838
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 3: to do this in the butt? I would like to

1839
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 3: explore my options, and every time they're like, we.

1840
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:10,679
Speaker 1: Can just put it in your nose. Man, we ain't

1841
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:12,719
Speaker 1: you keep your pants on.

1842
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 4: In Puerto Rico. Look, they were like security, can we

1843
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 4: exte Can we export this man off of our island?

1844
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, Luke, sometimes that joke slaves, So I'm

1845
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 4: going to keep living. Okay, that's what it is right there, Oh, Luke,

1846
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 4: thank you to you, Showtime, Malca, CBS Sports, all of

1847
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 4: our I hope I don't.

1848
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 3: Get fired for my Mayweather. Paul comments, No, you'll.

1849
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 4: Probably get left off the coverage of the Telegraph.

1850
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna get left off the coverage.

1851
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I hope to be there with a big

1852
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 4: smile on my face, rock hard with emotion. Indeed, thank

1853
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 4: you to the viewers. Look, you make this show what

1854
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:49,480
Speaker 4: it is. Of course we tell you like and subscribe

1855
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 4: and all that. But as much as Luke wants to

1856
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 4: treat you all like future organ salesman on the dead,

1857
01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 4: you know, on the on the black market, who will

1858
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 4: want day leave Luke high and dry in a tub

1859
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 4: fighting for his life. Look, we're nothing without these weirdos,

1860
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 4: and I love them all.

1861
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 3: That's well put. We are weirdos. They are weirdos. Let's

1862
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 3: be weirdos together.

1863
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 4: Huh yeah, let's do it. Okay for Luke, Thomas. My

1864
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 4: name is Brian Campbell asking you to subscribe to Showtime

1865
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 4: Showtime dot com thirty day free trial. Put a little

1866
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Speaker 4: forward slash bellotor mma at the end of that URL,

1867
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 4: and you can not only get your thirty days for free,

1868
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 4: but four ninety nine for the next six months. I

1869
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 4: know you hear that a lot, but YO, where else

1870
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:33,599
Speaker 4: you're gonna watch Rumbull Romero May seventh? The you're gonna

1871
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 4: watch it that Friday night on Showtime Boxing Movies. All that?

1872
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 4: Somebody talking to me show store dot show dot com

1873
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 4: for this Monsvidal mk hat you're gonna want to see that?

1874
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 4: The the bug guy is right outside my window?

1875
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 1: All right?

1876
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 4: All right, that's all I got, Luky, anything.

1877
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: Else, No, that's it. I'm good. All right.

1878
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 4: My name is Brian Campbell. Watch my exclusive interview with

1879
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 4: rosanama Unis on Morning Combat and for my partner Luke Thomas.

1880
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 4: Uh I thank you for your loyalty and your uh

1881
01:29:08,200 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 4: all your gains too as well. We out