Speaker 1: Hey fam, Hello Sunshine. Today on the bright Side, it
Speaker 1: is World Mental Health Day. We're joined by Anna Marie Tendler,
Speaker 1: the author of the New York Times bestseller men Have
Speaker 1: Called Her Crazy.
Speaker 2: It's Thursday, October tenth. I'm Danielle Robe and.
Speaker 3: I'm Simone Boyce and this is the bright Side from
Speaker 3: Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together to
Speaker 3: share women's stories, laugh, learn and brighten your day.
Speaker 1: How many of us could fill a book with our
Speaker 1: bad relationship stories. I know I have a few.
Speaker 2: Well, our guest today did just that.
Speaker 1: Anna Marie Tendler penned men have Called Her Crazy in
Speaker 1: introspective memoir that begins with her checking herself into a
Speaker 1: psychiatric hospital in a desperate attempt to heal, and throughout
Speaker 1: her experience there, she weaves in these reflections from the
Speaker 1: relationships that she's had over the years with men.
Speaker 3: And some very high profile relationships at that And I
Speaker 3: think that's one of the reasons why there's been so
Speaker 3: much anticipation around the release of this memoir, because people
Speaker 3: expected her to talk about some of those celebrity relationships.
Speaker 3: I mean, most notably, Anna Marie Tenler went through a
Speaker 3: very public divorce with her ex husband and comedian John Mulaney.
Speaker 3: But you won't find his name mentioned once in this book, y'all.
Speaker 3: And she says that's by design.
Speaker 1: It's definitely a specific choice and one that interests me
Speaker 1: because throughout the book she basically shares that her life
Speaker 1: has been defined and controlled by her relationships with men,
Speaker 1: and now in this book, it's finally about her.
Speaker 3: I read the book, and I found so many of
Speaker 3: the passages to be very compelling and relatable, especially as
Speaker 3: she's remembering her encounters with powerful men as a young woman.
Speaker 3: And then for me, the book also raised questions about
Speaker 3: what it looks like to hold others accountable for how
Speaker 3: they have disrespected you or disappointed you, and also what
Speaker 3: it looks like to maintain a sense of personal accountability,
Speaker 3: which is essential for all of us to move forward
Speaker 3: in an empowered fashion. Well, we're going to ask her
Speaker 3: all these questions and more. She's here with us now,
Speaker 3: So let's welcome here in Anna Marie Tyler. Welcome to
Speaker 3: the bright Side.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: So this book begins with you checking yourself into a
Speaker 1: psychiatric hospital and you became suicidal. Can you describe the
Speaker 1: conditions that led you to check into a psychiatric hospital.
Speaker 5: I think, like so many people, it was a culmination
Speaker 5: of things that had started happening way earlier in life,
Speaker 5: but certainly around that time.
Speaker 4: The pandemic did not help.
Speaker 5: It was very isolating, anxiety and doucing. I began going
Speaker 5: through a divorce. I was in the middle of graduate school.
Speaker 5: It was as if like a lot of little things
Speaker 5: had kind of piled all on top of each other
Speaker 5: to the point where it just became obvious to me
Speaker 5: that I needed some type of help.
Speaker 3: I really appreciated hearing your perspective and just your experience
Speaker 3: inside the hospital, because it honestly took me back to
Speaker 3: when I was a child. I had a family member
Speaker 3: who was hospitalized, and by hearing your perspective, I think
Speaker 3: I can understand that family member a bit better and
Speaker 3: what they went through. At the same time, Anna, most
Speaker 3: people who have experienced what you've experienced hospitalization for mental
Speaker 3: health reasons, nobody wants to relive that. So the fact
Speaker 3: that you wrote a book about it is really brave.
Speaker 3: What gave you the courage to write this book.
Speaker 5: I think that some of it is when you write
Speaker 5: a memoir you really have to dive into the naivete
Speaker 5: of what writing a memoir is. You kind of have
Speaker 5: to suspend disbelief bit and be like, oh, no, one,
Speaker 5: we'll read this. This is just for me. This is
Speaker 5: just an exercise with me and an editor. And so
Speaker 5: certainly when I was writing it, I wanted to write
Speaker 5: it as unself consciously as possible. It had been a
Speaker 5: really long time since I had read a memoir that
Speaker 5: spoke to mental health or hospitalization. And when I was
Speaker 5: in high school, I had read Girl Interrupted, which I
Speaker 5: think is an amazing account of being hospitalized, but that
Speaker 5: was written in the seventies. So often, whether it be
Speaker 5: in books like fiction or in movies, we have this
Speaker 5: really kind of scary idea of what hospitalization is, like
Speaker 5: one flew over the Cuckoo's Nest. And I wanted to
Speaker 5: kind of present a different take on what it means
Speaker 5: to be hospitalized, also what it means to be voluntarily hospitalized.
Speaker 5: And I was incredibly lucky that I was hospitalized, you know,
Speaker 5: in a private hospital. It was not a state hospital,
Speaker 5: which I know is a totally different experience for people.
Speaker 5: I also know people who were state hospitalized and saved
Speaker 5: their life as well, So my goal was to write
Speaker 5: it in a way that would remove some of the
Speaker 5: stigma of it. I had a very positive experience, and
Speaker 5: it certainly saved my life.
Speaker 3: I was struck by your language throughout the book, because
Speaker 3: it's at once honest and also precise, even down to
Speaker 3: the title, including the word crazy in the title, which
Speaker 3: just brings up so many historical connotations and how that
Speaker 3: term has been weaponized against women, how other terms like
Speaker 3: hysteria have been weaponized against women. But through your language
Speaker 3: and your honesty, and also the way that you describe
Speaker 3: the women that you are hospitalized with, you really do
Speaker 3: humanize these women who could be painted with these broad
Speaker 3: stereotypes about what it looks like to suffer from a
Speaker 3: mental illness. How did your time in the private psychiatric
Speaker 3: hospital and the people you met there change your perception
Speaker 3: of that term crazy, which is so loaded.
Speaker 5: First of all, thank you so much for the compliment
Speaker 5: of precise. That is like as a writer, to be
Speaker 5: told that the writing is precise is very high praise.
Speaker 4: So I really.
Speaker 5: Appreciate that cool and I took such care, especially with
Speaker 5: how I wrote those women. But you know, going into
Speaker 5: the hospital, it seemed very scary, and people seemed totally unhinged,
Speaker 5: and what's going to happen to me? And so when
Speaker 5: I first was about to check in, it was right
Speaker 5: after the New year, so it was a very quiet time.
Speaker 5: There were only five of us there, which is pretty atypical.
Speaker 5: And then the second that I met everyone, it was
Speaker 5: so disarming. I met these women that ranged from eighteen
Speaker 5: to me being the oldest at thirty five, and I
Speaker 5: was like, oh man, we're all just trying to get
Speaker 5: through it. These women are so interesting and really smart
Speaker 5: and really cool. We're all at these different stages in
Speaker 5: our life. And as the book goes on, you know,
Speaker 5: the house fills in a bit and the vibe changed drastically.
Speaker 5: So I think I was also incredibly lucky that it
Speaker 5: was not that many of us and we really got
Speaker 5: to know each other.
Speaker 3: There is this chapter in the book I felt like
Speaker 3: I was really a turning point, not just in the book,
Speaker 3: but also for you personally. And it's the part when
Speaker 3: your clinician is reviewing the results of an extensive psychological exam.
Speaker 3: He's going through and just naming all these characteristics about
Speaker 3: you that felt accurate to you. But it was almost
Speaker 3: like you were hearing the language for the first time,
Speaker 3: or you were able to grasp it for the first time.
Speaker 3: Characteristics like you're clearly capable of rich abstract thought, you're
Speaker 3: highly conscientious, you have tendencies towards orderliness. You also get
Speaker 3: easily overwhelmed when it feels like you might be in
Speaker 3: trouble or you're disappointing people. And it feels like in
Speaker 3: that moment you went from invisible to visible or unknowable
Speaker 3: to knowable. What did that do for you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean those conversations with that doctor will never
Speaker 5: leave me. And what was so interesting about it was
Speaker 5: that it was from a like a three and a
Speaker 5: half hour long psychiatric evaluation, which, by the way, anyone
Speaker 5: can have one of those.
Speaker 2: I want one, now, I want one.
Speaker 3: Maybe we should do one on the show, Danielle.
Speaker 5: The one bad thing is that, like they also give
Speaker 5: you your IQ.
Speaker 2: No, I was like, I don't nobody needs to see that. Wow,
Speaker 2: that's quite a significant evil. I just want to.
Speaker 3: Convince myself I can change my IQ all the time,
Speaker 3: so like, don't tell me if I'm locked in at
Speaker 3: a certain QUES.
Speaker 5: That's why, like in the book, I keep being like,
Speaker 5: am I smart.
Speaker 2: Am I average? Am I like?
Speaker 5: And that was kind of the joke and the funny
Speaker 5: thing to me because I was just like, Okay, I
Speaker 5: am going to find out that, like I'm a secret genius.
Speaker 4: And then it's like, oh no, you're not.
Speaker 2: You are what you are.
Speaker 5: So funny, but I went into it not knowing what
Speaker 5: to expect. I am a conscientious person, so I was like,
Speaker 5: I want to do my best and then to like
Speaker 5: just from this three and a half hour test, and
Speaker 5: this clinician was highly skilled, very good doctor incredible. It
Speaker 5: was like telling me who I knew myself to be. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I had never ever experienced that before. Like even
Speaker 5: in therapy, I would talk about feeling a certain way,
Speaker 5: even if it's bad or like low self esteem. It's
Speaker 5: like okay, but you know that's not true and let's
Speaker 5: try and like reframe. And this was just like brass tacks,
Speaker 5: no reframing, no positive spin. It wasn't negative either. It
Speaker 5: was just like, here are the facts about you. And
Speaker 5: it blew my mind how accurate it felt and what
Speaker 5: a life changer.
Speaker 3: There's no running from it anymore at that point, right
Speaker 3: like you're gobsmacked with the truth about yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And also it was like, oh, there's not something.
Speaker 2: Wrong with me.
Speaker 5: I think like so many times, especially as women, like
Speaker 5: we think that there's something wrong with us, and to
Speaker 5: just be able to say like, oh, yeah, that's that's
Speaker 5: just me. I'm introverted, or I am afraid of getting
Speaker 5: in trouble. Like there are things that you can work on,
Speaker 5: and there are things you can kind of try and change,
Speaker 5: but some of it is it's just the way you are.
Speaker 5: But knowing it you can then learn to work with it.
Speaker 2: It's time for a short break.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back with Anna Marie Tyler, and we're back.
Speaker 1: Sophie Gilbert from the Atlantic wrote a review of your
Speaker 1: book entitled her piece, A Memoir about Recovering from Men.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if that feels accurate to you.
Speaker 5: It did, and I have to say I loved that
Speaker 5: title so much. After I read it, I reached out
Speaker 5: to her and I was like, first of all, thank
Speaker 5: you for taking this on in the Atlantic, And also, man,
Speaker 5: what a great headline I write about men are they
Speaker 5: are part of this book, They're certainly not not the
Speaker 5: whole thing.
Speaker 4: And I think that.
Speaker 5: The relationships that I write about They're all problematic, but
Speaker 5: they're all problematic in different ways. It's not as if
Speaker 5: the same thing is happening over and over again with
Speaker 5: these men, like the final result is the same, But
Speaker 5: there are these nuances over the course of my life
Speaker 5: and having relationships with men, and then over the course
Speaker 5: of writing this, I think I really picked up on
Speaker 5: patterns that I had and patterns that other people have,
Speaker 5: and ways to identify them, and I think that that
Speaker 5: is recovery.
Speaker 1: I want to recount some of the significant relationships and
Speaker 1: encounters that you detail throughout your life and the book.
Speaker 1: There's a class mate who violated your boundaries in high school,
Speaker 1: the twenty eight year old musician you met at sixteen,
Speaker 1: the wealthy man who convinced you to quit your job
Speaker 1: in your early twenties.
Speaker 2: And I'm just scratching the surface.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: Reading your book, you struck me as someone who has
Speaker 1: this deep curiosity and someone who seeks out experiences as well.
Speaker 1: I felt very akin to that, and so I'm personally
Speaker 1: curious how you feel in hindsight about these moments in reflection.
Speaker 1: Do you regret any of them? Do you value them,
Speaker 1: even the painful ones? How do you feel like they
Speaker 1: have shaped who you are.
Speaker 4: God.
Speaker 5: That's such a good question and also so hard to answer.
Speaker 5: I am who I am because those things happened to me. However,
Speaker 5: the one with the musician, while it was consensual, it
Speaker 5: was also illegal. If I could remove that from my past,
Speaker 5: I think I'd probably be better for it, And I
Speaker 5: hesitate to be like, I'm glad all these things happen
Speaker 5: to me, because that kind of makes allowances for really
Speaker 5: bad behavior from men. They are also to varying degrees,
Speaker 5: and I think that I learned something from all of them,
Speaker 5: things to look out for and patterns to not repeat.
Speaker 5: The thing that came up over and over again is
Speaker 5: that they are all in some way connected to power.
Speaker 5: An older man going after a much younger woman, like,
Speaker 5: there is a power dynamic there. There's a power and balance.
Speaker 1: You said, we live in a patriarchy, and I feel
Speaker 1: it all of the time.
Speaker 2: I'm so curious how you.
Speaker 1: Feel it day to day and mostly asking for a
Speaker 1: friend because I find myself feeling it and not being
Speaker 1: able to articulate it a lot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think a lot of people feel that way.
Speaker 5: I certainly feel like that way. Like they'll be things,
Speaker 5: it will happen, and I'll be like, ah, that was annoying,
Speaker 5: And then later I'm like, patriarchy, how dare you?
Speaker 6: But you know, now I live alone in the woods
Speaker 6: with three cats, so I would say I have minimized,
Speaker 6: you've removed yourself. Yes, I've minimized the way that the
Speaker 6: patriarchy affects me. However, Like this is an example that
Speaker 6: I like to use when I'm dating and I'm like
Speaker 6: on dating apps and in a conversation with someone who
Speaker 6: I'm sure is very nice, not malicious, not at all
Speaker 6: trying to stalk me or murder me, will be like, oh,
Speaker 6: where do you live? And I'm like, that is a
Speaker 6: question of a person who has never had to worry
Speaker 6: about their own safety, you know. And I'll say to
Speaker 6: them like, oh, I don't tell people where I live.
Speaker 6: And then they're like, oh, oh, of course, of course,
Speaker 6: of course. And it's not that I think that those
Speaker 6: people are bad people, but.
Speaker 5: I'm like many men don't, not all, but like many
Speaker 5: men don't have to consider that, like I shouldn't give
Speaker 5: you my address because like that's actually a safety concern
Speaker 5: for me, And most men I know don't share their
Speaker 5: location when they go on a date, or have a
Speaker 5: friend check in to make sure that everything is going okay.
Speaker 3: Or cover their drink at a bar.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 5: Yes, And I think that that is just a different
Speaker 5: way of moving through the world. I feel like I'm
Speaker 5: constantly reminded of that. If something doesn't work out with
Speaker 5: something or you don't like something, do I speak up? Like?
Speaker 5: Is what happens if this person gets angry at me?
Speaker 5: I feel all that stuff all the time.
Speaker 1: Do you have any interest in partnering again? Do you
Speaker 1: want to be with a man at this point?
Speaker 2: Oh god, this is really hard, so.
Speaker 5: Like yes and no, it's I was with someone for
Speaker 5: about like nine months and we were together when this
Speaker 5: book came out, and about three weeks after it came out,
Speaker 5: I found out that he had cheated on me. Stop
Speaker 5: and I'm like, you read the book like really, Like
Speaker 5: that's that's bold, that's bold. So that really rocked me.
Speaker 5: I have to say in a way that, like my
Speaker 5: other breakups didn't, I now find that my relationships with
Speaker 5: my female friends are much more intimate, much more supportive
Speaker 5: than any relationship that I've had with a man. I
Speaker 5: want to show up for something, and like this last one,
Speaker 5: I feel like I really did show up in a
Speaker 5: big way. And then it's like, oh, but it happened again.
Speaker 5: And at a certain point you're sort of like, well, when, okay,
Speaker 5: Like when do I remove myself from this?
Speaker 4: But that's also not fair.
Speaker 5: I'm like, these guys got to get it together, Like
Speaker 5: do the work please.
Speaker 2: That's been a theme on our show. We had many
Speaker 2: people come on and say that.
Speaker 3: Did that send you into like a psychological relapse or
Speaker 3: did you feel like you had the tools to power
Speaker 3: through it.
Speaker 5: An amazing thing about the book and doing all of
Speaker 5: the work that I talk about that gets written about
Speaker 5: in the book is that my ability to mentally and
Speaker 5: emotionally rebound from these things has gotten so much better.
Speaker 2: And like, that's amazing, thank you, that's great.
Speaker 5: Like this last thing that happened when I found out,
Speaker 5: I was with him at his apartment and I just
Speaker 5: like got up and packed up all of my stuff,
Speaker 5: and within twenty minutes I was out the door and
Speaker 5: I said I wish you well and I left.
Speaker 4: Wow, And that was the end of the relationship.
Speaker 5: And I think that if I were in a different place,
Speaker 5: or if I were younger, or if I had not
Speaker 5: done all of this work.
Speaker 4: I could see.
Speaker 5: A world in which I would have even had a
Speaker 5: conversation about it, like why did this happen? Crying and yelling,
Speaker 5: and I was just like, this is not worth any
Speaker 5: of my energy. I mean, I was so sad and
Speaker 5: I was so disappointed. And it still feels like a
Speaker 5: loss out of my life because you're like, oh, I've
Speaker 5: got to start all over and I miss this person.
Speaker 5: But never once did I regret walking out the door
Speaker 5: that quickly. And if we as women can learn to
Speaker 5: kind of do that and not make space for really
Speaker 5: bad behavior, I'm just no longer going to make space
Speaker 5: for bad behavior. It's like you have this one shot,
Speaker 5: and if you blow it in that way, there is
Speaker 5: no second chance.
Speaker 4: I'm gone.
Speaker 5: I'd rather be by myself. I'd rather be with my cats.
Speaker 1: Like I like that phrase, I'm no longer making space
Speaker 1: for bad behavior.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I can't.
Speaker 3: Cats never cheat. A cat will never cheat. We have
Speaker 3: to take another quick break, but we'll be right back
Speaker 3: with Anna Marie Tenler.
Speaker 2: And we're back with Anna Marie Tenler.
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting that the word anger is
Speaker 3: mentioned forty seven times in this book.
Speaker 2: By my count, I could be wrong, and I could
Speaker 2: be wrong.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I love that you counted.
Speaker 3: I had a little help from the search bar. I
Speaker 3: think that women's anger is so often misunderstood in our society,
Speaker 3: but it's actually a tool. I think that it reveals
Speaker 3: so much about our desires and what we believe that
Speaker 3: we're worth. So what has your anger revealed to you
Speaker 3: on this journey to trusting yourself?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I completely agree with you.
Speaker 5: And when you can learn how to tap into your
Speaker 5: anger and use it constructively, I think there is so
Speaker 5: much information there that we can glean. And I think
Speaker 5: that my anger really taught me what I am not
Speaker 5: willing to tolerate and also what I'm afraid of, because
Speaker 5: I think that a lot of times what is underneath
Speaker 5: anger is fear.
Speaker 4: I'm angry at you because.
Speaker 5: You cheated on me, of course, like anyone would be
Speaker 5: angry about that.
Speaker 4: It's total disrespect.
Speaker 5: And at the same time, I'm terrified of being alone,
Speaker 5: of starting over, of like losing connection. I think so
Speaker 5: often fear can come out as anger, but then other
Speaker 5: things is just like feeling like you were being pushed
Speaker 5: or silenced, like don't mess this up for a man,
Speaker 5: like keep yourself in check and that that information and
Speaker 5: the anger that I feel there and now going into
Speaker 5: my life, and when I feel times where anger is
Speaker 5: really bubbling up, I can sort of look at it
Speaker 5: and be like, Okay, there is something that is happening
Speaker 5: here that is not in line with how I want
Speaker 5: to live, with how I want to have relationships with people,
Speaker 5: with how I want to move through my life. And
Speaker 5: if I'm feeling this much anger, like that is a
Speaker 5: cue for me to really look at what is happening
Speaker 5: and to decide do I want to be a part
Speaker 5: of whatever this is? And often the answer to that
Speaker 5: is now.
Speaker 1: When your book was first announced, the expectation was it
Speaker 1: was going to be the Scorched Earth tell All, and
Speaker 1: it was so the opposite of that. It had everything
Speaker 1: to do with your own journey. I'm wondering what you
Speaker 1: hope readers take away from this shift in narrative.
Speaker 5: You were totally right, Like there was this narrative of like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, she's going to like spill the tea,
Speaker 5: She's going to tear it down, And I believe that
Speaker 5: like that is very patriarchal and misogynistic, because as women,
Speaker 5: we are expected that we are going to do that.
Speaker 5: We are expected that we are going to gossip, that
Speaker 5: we're going to drag somebody. And what you are saying,
Speaker 5: like you collective you, what you are saying when you
Speaker 5: put that on women, is that we are somehow operating
Speaker 5: below how men are operating. Men can remove themselves from
Speaker 5: it and write about themselves and write about them are
Speaker 5: and not get into the nitty gritty and listen. I
Speaker 5: completely understand the instinct to be like vindication of things.
Speaker 5: I do believe that when we do that, it centers
Speaker 5: the other person. And I think that when no matter
Speaker 5: what the story is, whether it's about men or about
Speaker 5: terrible things that have happened to us, like you can
Speaker 5: center it on Okay, here are like the facts of
Speaker 5: what happened, but it's not this person did this, this
Speaker 5: person did this, this person did this, because that is
Speaker 5: about that person. This happened, and here's how I dealt
Speaker 5: with it, Here's how it made me feel, Here's how
Speaker 5: I internalized it and moved forward from there.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 5: That was incredibly important for me to do because I
Speaker 5: had no interest in perpetuating a patriarchal idea and a
Speaker 5: misogynistic and patriarchal idea about how women behave.
Speaker 2: I love that answer.
Speaker 1: I thought about Nora Efron's work quite a bit as
Speaker 1: well when I was reading your book. I think between
Speaker 1: like an artistic identity that you have and reinvention and
Speaker 1: so many reflections of love and loss. In her book Heartburn,
Speaker 1: she wrote a quote that's like very well known. Now
Speaker 1: if I tell the story, I control the version. I
Speaker 1: am really dying to know what this book was for you.
Speaker 1: Was it a reclamation a proclamation? What was at stake
Speaker 1: for you in sharing your version of the story.
Speaker 5: So it wasn't quite a reclamation because like that implies
Speaker 5: that something was taken from me, And I'm kind of
Speaker 5: like I have always been me. I have always been this.
Speaker 5: No one, no matter what they do to me, can
Speaker 5: like shake who I am and take who I am
Speaker 5: from me. But I think it was more a proclamation
Speaker 5: of here are some of the things that have happened
Speaker 5: to me. I am positive that I am not the
Speaker 5: only one. People can read this and extrapolate and put
Speaker 5: their own experiences on it and be like, yeah, I
Speaker 5: went through something similar in all things in life. We
Speaker 5: give power to things when we talk about them. That
Speaker 5: is why I wanted to write this book and why
Speaker 5: I wanted to talk about In no way was this
Speaker 5: giving my story over to these men that I wrote about.
Speaker 5: I really feel like if we don't talk about things
Speaker 5: that are happening and make them public and talk about
Speaker 5: things that could be happening to other people, that is
Speaker 5: how bad, dangerous or illegal behavior continues to happen. Because
Speaker 5: talking about something is the only way that we have power,
Speaker 5: the only way that we can find connection with other people,
Speaker 5: and the only way that we can hold the society accountable.
Speaker 3: And just to wrap us up here, there's a phrase
Speaker 3: that you wrote to your future self while you were
Speaker 3: in treatment. You wrote resilience to survive. What are you
Speaker 3: living for now? What makes life worth living?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 2: Boy?
Speaker 5: I mean, I really am so happy to be here,
Speaker 5: and like, I love my friends, and I look outside
Speaker 5: and like the leaves are changing color and I'm like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, how beautiful. And listen, there is also
Speaker 5: a lot of really awful stuff happening in the world
Speaker 5: right now. And it's not as if I am unaffected
Speaker 5: by those things. It's not as if I am unaffected
Speaker 5: by ruptures in my personal life. I still have days
Speaker 5: that I'm incredibly anxious or I'm incredibly sad, like my
Speaker 5: whole personality didn't change. I'm still me, But I trust
Speaker 5: that I know how to ask for help and that
Speaker 5: there are also people around me that really care for
Speaker 5: me and are there if I need them, and I
Speaker 5: know what I need as well, And so I think
Speaker 5: that having that sort of fortified idea of myself just
Speaker 5: makes it easier to move through things that can be
Speaker 5: very difficult.
Speaker 3: Well, Anna, thank you so much for talking with us.
Speaker 3: Thank you for your openness. It's not easy to do
Speaker 3: with a topic like this.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. I really really
Speaker 4: enjoyed talking with you.
Speaker 6: Guys.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: We love getting to speak with you too. Anna Marie
Speaker 1: Tydler is a writer, visual artist and author of the
Speaker 1: New York Times best selling memoir Men have called her crazy.
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