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Speaker 1: Welcome to Unaddiction the Podcast. My name is doctor Enzinga Harrison.

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Speaker 1: I'm a board certified psychiatrist with a specialty in addiction

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Speaker 1: medicine and co founder and chief medical officer of Eleanor Health.

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Speaker 1: On this podcast, we explore the paths that can lead

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Speaker 1: to addiction and the infinite paths that can lead to recovery.

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Speaker 2: Our guests are sharing their own.

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Speaker 1: Experiences, the tools that have helped them along the way,

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Speaker 1: and the formulas that allow them to thrive in recovery

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Speaker 1: one day at a time. This week, Ed Pople aka

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Speaker 1: Missus Kasha Davis joins us on the pod. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to say I was brought to tears, but y'all,

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Speaker 1: I was brought to tears. So let me give you

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Speaker 1: a little background on Ed before we jump into the show.

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Speaker 1: Ed Popole was born and raised in Scranton, Pennsylvania. He

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Speaker 1: displayed what would be called effeminate characteristics as a young

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Speaker 1: boy and was ostracized, most painfully by his father. When

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Speaker 1: he came out as gay, his parents disowned him. He

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Speaker 1: left his eighteen year career as a successful telemarketing executive

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Speaker 1: to follow his dream of being a performer, and that's

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Speaker 1: how I came to know of him as Missus Kasha

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Speaker 1: Davis on RuPaul's Drag Race. Ed shares with us the

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Speaker 1: roles of alcoholics, anonymous, and spirituality as integral parts of

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Speaker 1: his recovery formula, as well as the unwavering love and

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Speaker 1: support from his husband, who we affectionately dubbed mister Kasha Davis,

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Speaker 1: and the incredible moment his dad saw him for who

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Speaker 1: he truly is. Missus Kasha Davis is known for her travel,

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Speaker 1: cabaret performances, drag brunches, college bengos, and positivity talks, sharing

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Speaker 1: her coming out story Sobriety Journey, and jazzy performances which

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Speaker 1: intertwined forgiveness, determination, motivation, and self acceptance for audiences of

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Speaker 1: all ages. Be sure to keep an eye out for

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Speaker 1: her story Hour for Children entitled Imagination Station, coming soon

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Speaker 1: to TV, So Welcome. I was so excited when Jen

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Speaker 1: was like, I grew up with Missus Kasha Davis, and

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Speaker 1: I was like what, I was like, I know Missus

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Speaker 1: Kasha Davis and this is what's so interesting. So I

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Speaker 1: fly a lot for work, and I was on an

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Speaker 1: airplane and usually I'm asleep because like airplane sleep.

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Speaker 2: Is the best thing. Yes, it is, but I was awake.

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Speaker 1: It was a long flight, so I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: what do they have on this Delta TV screen? And

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Speaker 1: RuPaul's Drag Race season seven? It must have been. Is

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Speaker 1: that the season that you were on? Yes, actually I

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Speaker 1: think it was season four, to be honest. Ed season

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Speaker 1: four and they had the first four episodes, and I

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Speaker 1: watched the first four episodes and I was like, this

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Speaker 1: was just last year.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: I was like, where has this been my whole life?

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Speaker 1: And so when I got off the plane, over the

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Speaker 1: next two months, I finished season four and I also streamed.

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Speaker 1: I started at season one, episode one. I watched every

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Speaker 1: single season all the way through twelve seasons and so,

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Speaker 1: oh wow, in two months, that's how many episodes I watched.

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Speaker 1: And I remembered missus Kasha Davis. And the reason I

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Speaker 1: remembered missus Kasha Davis is because you were so nice.

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Speaker 2: You were so funny.

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Speaker 1: Your drag was the bomb, Like, go ahead, put that

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Speaker 1: out there, right, Like I loved your performing, but I

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Speaker 1: just felt so connected to you as a.

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Speaker 1: And so when we were doing research for this episode,

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Speaker 1: I told Jada, I was like, I did not realize

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Speaker 1: that you went off in episode five, because I would

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Speaker 1: have thought you were all the way to the end,

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Speaker 1: just because of how much you stuck with me in

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Speaker 1: the middle of a whole of what one hundred episodes

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Speaker 1: and so like, do you get that.

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Speaker 3: Well, first and foremost, thank you, And I have learned

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Speaker 3: really that that is the gem, that is the thing

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Speaker 3: that people gravitate. With missus Kasha Davis, with Ed, I

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Speaker 3: am working very hard to be as honest and open

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Speaker 3: as possible, to be as grateful as possible, and to

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Speaker 3: spread kindness. I knew as a little boy, girl gal girl,

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Speaker 3: that child I knew that I'll never forget. The funniest story.

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Speaker 3: My uncles and my dad were in military, and we

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Speaker 3: and I was a little I was a little I

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Speaker 3: don't know how young, and they said, so, what branch

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Speaker 3: the Salvation Army. I love everybody, And of course they

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Speaker 3: You know it was I just I've always known that

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Speaker 3: It's coming to fruition in my in my later years.

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Speaker 3: But I remember my mother would say, Oh, Eddie, you

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Speaker 3: hear God waiting to you. She would say things like that,

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Speaker 3: and I would see the leaves and I would just

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Speaker 3: get into this place. And I have just always had

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Speaker 3: this desire to be kind, and so it's really escalated

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Speaker 3: in the drag persona, and it's given me the platform

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Speaker 3: to be able to in a showy kind of charismatic

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Speaker 2: I really felt it.

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Speaker 1: So before we get too far in, I like to

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Speaker 1: ask everybody at the end to the show. So I say,

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Speaker 1: this is me like giving you a heads up on

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Speaker 1: the final exam. Although there are only a pluses on

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Speaker 1: this final exam. Okay, the last question that I'll ask

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Speaker 1: you before we get out of here. So this is

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Speaker 1: unaddictioned the podcast. It's a companion to unaddiction the book

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Speaker 1: which thank you for writing a blurb to be seen

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Speaker 1: on the back of the cover jacket. Gosh, and we

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Speaker 1: made up this word on ADDICTIONED with the idea that

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Speaker 1: we want people to unlearn what we think we know

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Speaker 1: about addiction, undo the stigma that is killing people, and

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Speaker 1: uncover the conversations that we need to be having. And

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Speaker 1: so like the goal of this podcast is to be

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Speaker 1: having those conversations. At the end of this episode, Ed,

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you if there is one thing

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Speaker 1: you want the listeners to either unlearn, or one stigma

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Speaker 2: What would that be? But save it to the end.

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Speaker 1: Don't answer right now, I say, I see right.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's a fun question. Okay, okay, I'm saving.

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Speaker 2: It before we get into it. I think it's so amazing.

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Speaker 1: I was watched you on season seven of RuPaul's Drag

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Speaker 1: Race and then just this morning Lie full transparency and honesty.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, missus Costa Davis Swiss. Also on

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Speaker 1: season eight All Stars, Yes, and on season seven your

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Speaker 1: stick was It's always time for a cocktail. They're better

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Speaker 1: I'm an alcoholic, Oh wrong, meeting and sobriety and like

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Speaker 2: Journey and what recovery is like for you today?

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Speaker 3: Well, goodness, how do I put this into perconspective? So

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Speaker 3: when I auditioned for season seven of RuPaul's Drag Race,

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Speaker 3: I always knew I was an alcoholic from the moment

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Speaker 3: finally in my life. Not only am I out, I

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Speaker 3: and I'm finally doing something that I've always wanted to do,

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Speaker 3: which is to perform. I went to school for theater.

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Speaker 3: I am doing this and crash burn About a few months,

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Speaker 3: my career that was of eighteen years, which was very successful,

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Speaker 3: a great company, a good telemarketing company. So I left that.

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Speaker 3: everybody was right, you can't do this. Your father was right,

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Speaker 3: I had a strong Ukrainian Orthodox Church upbringing, but I

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Speaker 3: and saw God in the leaves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that child in the grass.

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Speaker 1: it started with this is not me, because I think

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Speaker 1: that's one of the most destructive myths that we have

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Speaker 1: about addiction, is that that addiction is the person, right,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, no, that addiction is happening to that person.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I love that, and I relate to that. And

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Speaker 3: I realized that I was a zombie. I was obviously,

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Speaker 3: you know, I was in a blackout, and my memories

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Speaker 3: to this day of that that new it was at noon.

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Speaker 3: It was like flashes of memory that you would imagine

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Speaker 3: It's all because of this journey. I couldn't. I couldn't

434
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: truly couldn't be more grateful that toolbox is overflowing. Now.

435
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: I love what you said, which is like, if we

436
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: think about the journey to recovery as a path to

437
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 1: just be like very literal with the metaphor one, so

438
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 1: many people don't know the path exists, don't even have

439
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: the experiences that let them dream of a path to

440
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 1: abundance like you just described. And two, even if you're

441
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: longing for a path, if you don't see anybody that

442
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: quote looks like you. And I'm not just talking about race, age, gender,

443
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about somebody you can connect with, like

444
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: I feel a connection with that person, Then you don't

445
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: even know where to take the first step to get

446
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: on the path. So that's what I love when you're

447
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: saying you're sitting in the rooms and you're like, have

448
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: this Rolodex file of experiences right Like basically that's like

449
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: whenever you can, I can't see the path. Somebody else says,

450
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: what burned down a path in that tall grass that

451
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 1: you're like, that may be a path for me. This

452
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: may be a path for me. This may be a

453
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: path for me. I've heard people tell me that sobriety

454
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: seems like it will be boring and suck.

455
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 3: Right, I've heard that. I thought that, and I remember,

456
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 3: first off, there were trickles of moments of me trying

457
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 3: to get sober before sobriety. I would take that what

458
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 3: do they call it, no drinks January uh huh? And

459
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 3: I would last like maybe at the most three weeks

460
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 3: before I started sneaking it. And so I thought that

461
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 3: wasn't too bad. But I was kind of bored on

462
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 3: Friday nights. You know, was because my circle of friends

463
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 3: we were enabling one another. So we had this group

464
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 3: of people that we essentially stuck together because this one

465
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 3: was just as bad as this one or whatever we thought,

466
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 3: and it was celebrated to get messy. And then the

467
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: second thing is I asked my primary care physician at

468
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 3: the time. I said, I think it was around when

469
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 3: my mom passed and I was drinking heavily, and I

470
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: lied about what I drank. I didn't tell him the truth,

471
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 3: and I think that I would think that he knew that,

472
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 3: but obviously he was taking my word for it. My

473
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 3: point is I did not know all of the free

474
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: ways towards this recovery journey. I did not know. I thought,

475
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 3: for instance, going aa, you had to have a prescription.

476
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: I really don't. Oh wow, I did not know. I

477
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 3: knew nobody. Yeah, because why would I. My disease told me,

478
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 3: don't you hang around with them? The jokes were those

479
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: are quitters? Oh yeah, you know, there's twelve steps to recovery,

480
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 3: and there's twelve steps to the bar. Ha ha. You know,

481
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 3: only two steps to the bar, you know. So I'm

482
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: so frustrated because I remember there were glimpses of people

483
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: trying to lead me towards those people. But I was

484
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 3: scared of them because I thought, oh gosh, boring, weak, quitter.

485
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 3: And now I'm like, oh my gosh. Those were little

486
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 3: higher power moments of reaching out saying hey, hey, they

487
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 3: were seen by this path, try this path.

488
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: They were seats. And now now the flower has blossomed.

489
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: Is blossomy? I think there's no past ten.

490
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,959
Speaker 3: Right right, It's continuing to evolve and grow and long

491
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 3: as you water it, nurture it, and maintain. I have

492
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 3: such a connection to my higher power, and my parents

493
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 3: have both passed and I'm close with them. They're with

494
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 3: me whenever I need them. And I know this. Now,

495
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: Are they right there? Do I see them? Do I

496
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: hear them? Know I sense their embrace. I was so

497
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 3: fearful of my mom passing, and it was I now

498
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: can look back because of outside help, some therapy, some

499
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 3: grief counseling, all of these things that I think are wonderful.

500
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 3: It helped me to realize she was also an addict.

501
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 3: She was dealing with pain pilled addiction, and so she oh,

502
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 3: this was prescribed by the doctor, you know, and so

503
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 3: I was always there to I realized now how much

504
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 3: I was protecting her, and so I was scared because

505
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: I knew that she was doing something wrong and that anything,

506
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 3: at any time, something can happen and inevitably. Did you

507
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 3: know my favorite story that I just feel compelled to

508
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 3: tell you. Growing up, as I mentioned the seventies and eighties,

509
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 3: it was the life of being in the closet. It

510
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 3: was the life of not being myself. It was I

511
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 3: was trained by my father that all of my feminine

512
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 3: qualities were bad. I was expected to act, speak in

513
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: a lower voice, stand a certain way, not flail my arms,

514
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 3: and my father was the first person to call me

515
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 3: a fairy, and he and I never had a good relationship,

516
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 3: and I had so many dreams throughout the years. I

517
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: was like, oh gosh, I wish this is the truth.

518
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: I wish you would pass away in a sleep. We

519
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 3: had verbal and physical altercations on the daily. And so

520
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 3: fast forward, my mom passes and he starts to take

521
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: a look at his life and began to get closer

522
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 3: to us. They had disowned me for coming out.

523
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: And we kind of they both mom and dad.

524
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: Mom and Dad, we kind of got a little closer

525
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: than Mom passed. And then Dad was like life is short,

526
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: Like you can tell something hit him, like WHOA? I

527
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: need to rebuild these relationships, and he made his effort well.

528
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: I in the sobriety journey, the one thing I never ever, ever, ever, ever,

529
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: ever ever would have dreamt of was that I would

530
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 3: suddenly have this relationship with my father. So I started

531
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: to clean up my side of the street. I started

532
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: to look at forgiveness. I started to look at my

533
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: part in certain things, most especially as I got older,

534
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: not so much as a child, but and I forgave him.

535
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: And it was at this spot, right here where I'm

536
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: sitting where One day, I just told him I love him,

537
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: and he replied, I love you too, And I knew

538
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: he knew about drag. But I was in Scranton, Pennsylvania,

539
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: and I was booked at a Toyota dealership to do a.

540
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: Show yoa dealership to do a show.

541
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: I'm know, to do a show for Kink Kinky Boots

542
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: was coming to the town and it was about a

543
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: father and a son's difficult relationship. And I was in

544
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: the paper and I went to visit my mom's grave

545
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 3: and I felt this. She's like, go see your father,

546
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: Go see your father. So I go see my father.

547
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: I do, and he says, I see you've got a

548
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: show tonight. Yeah, what time six o'clock? I'll be there.

549
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: I literally just like lost all control. I thought, you know,

550
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: crap my pants. And I was like no, no, no, no, no, no,

551
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 3: not a good idea.

552
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: Dad.

553
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 3: I said, listen, it's okay. I appreciate it, but I'm

554
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 3: going to be in drag. He said, I saw the paper.

555
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 3: What time six o'clock I'll be there? Oh my gosh,

556
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 3: nervous wreck. So I'm back stage, which otherwise is known

557
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: as the sales department and here he comes and he

558
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: comes around the corner and I'm in full drag and

559
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 3: he says, wow, Eddie, you're beautiful. Oh not Kasha. And

560
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 3: it wasn't a joke. He meant it. And during the show,

561
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: we shook hands, which was that masculine you know, you

562
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: shake hands, and my friend got a photo of it

563
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: and I posted on social media. And a few months later,

564
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: my dad is ill and goes through all the complications

565
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: of cancer and I'm there every minute of the way.

566
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: I'm there with my sisters and we're at the bedside

567
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: and all of it. And he passes and on the

568
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: side of his bed there's this box and I open it.

569
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: I was we're cleaning things out and there's a piece

570
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 3: of paper and his friend had emailed him. He said,

571
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 3: did you see Kasha at the Toyota Dealers And he said, yes,

572
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: that's my son, Eddie. And I am so proud, and

573
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 3: I get emotional when I think about it, because I

574
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: never would have, ever, ever expected us to get to

575
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: that place. And there is only one reason. It's because

576
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 3: of the work that I put in and the gifts

577
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: of sobriety and the stories that I heard in the

578
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: rooms of people who were able to do the same.

579
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: My sponsor encouraged me forgiveness, forgiveness, forgiveness, acceptance, clean your

580
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: side of the street, and I was able to take

581
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 3: those suggestions. And again that's something that I just wrote off.

582
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 3: I thought we were just going to hate each other

583
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 3: until the end, and we didn't have a lot of

584
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: time of joy. But it was really meaningful. And he

585
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: saw me, even though I was in that full drag regalia,

586
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: he saw me through that and said he was proud

587
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 3: and said I was beautiful. And so I share that

588
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: story as often as I can because I think it's

589
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: a true example of what can happen, because oftentimes we

590
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: look for the house, the boat, the car, the new job,

591
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: but those things that are so beautiful and meaningful that

592
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: can happen because of putting in the work.

593
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely beautiful.

594
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: I am getting myself together over here because you can

595
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: see the tears running, yes, even though the listeners cannot.

596
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: That is.

597
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: That is what I hope for for every son and

598
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: father who have had this experience of a relationship which

599
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: is so common with so much pain.

600
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: That is just I love your dad, I love you too.

601
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: He's he really he surprised us all with how hard

602
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: you worked right before his passing on.

603
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, just beautiful.

604
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: All right, well, I'm like trying to get myself together.

605
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: Our time is very close to up together. Ed, this

606
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: has been incredible. Thank you for sharing. So I think

607
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: this is what I connected to the first time I

608
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: saw you on TV, for sharing so vulnerably and authentically.

609
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: I think the more we can connect our deepest selves

610
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: to each other, like, the healthier we get from all angles.

611
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: So just thank you for that.

612
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: Thank you, right, I really I think it's so important,

613
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: especially in the world we live in with technology, to

614
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: be open and honest. I think there's all too often

615
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: people put on another face and a facade and the

616
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: truth heals.

617
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: Yep, is all right, So I promise the final exam

618
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: the time has come.

619
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: The question from the top of the show.

620
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: Now, I would love to hear you send us out

621
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: on some words of wisdom, not that you haven't been

622
00:33:55,040 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: taken us to school all episode. If there's one thing

623
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: you want people to unlearn about addiction and recovery, or

624
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: undo a piece of stigma, or uncover a conversation that

625
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: we need to have, what would it be.

626
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 3: Hm, Well, I think the thing that that's coming to

627
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 3: me is that no matter how low we get, no

628
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: matter how bad it is. And the way here, I

629
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 3: was coming from the gym and I was driving past somebody,

630
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: a young man in the very very hot sun, standing

631
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 3: asking for money, and I'm thinking as I was going

632
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: through the light, and I saw him, and I just

633
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: felt this sadness that he was emitting. And I thought

634
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 3: to myself, I've heard these stories and I've been through

635
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 3: these difficult times where I thought, I'm so low, I

636
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 3: have lost my light, I have lost my love for myself.

637
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 3: And my mom was such a gem. She is the

638
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: one of the main reasons why I do drag, because

639
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: I get to keep her humor and some of her

640
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 3: fabulosity alive. And I remember as a child watching her

641
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: put on makeup and wanting to do it and being

642
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 3: interested in it. And she said, Eddie, no matter what

643
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 3: you do in this life, And this is what I

644
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: would say to anyone who feels as though they're so

645
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: low that they've lost their light, which is their love

646
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 3: for themselves, is to look in the mirror every day

647
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 3: after you brush your teeth, Eddie and say I love you,

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Speaker 3: because when you love yourself, everything is possible. And I

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Speaker 3: think it is so important to remember that no matter

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Speaker 3: what happens in this life, that that light and that

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Speaker 3: love is still as strong as ever. It takes that

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Speaker 3: courage and effort for ourselves to look deep into ourselves

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Speaker 3: and remember that it's we are of value, We are love,

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Speaker 3: we are light, we are all the same.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: So that was what kind of came to me. I'd

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Speaker 3: like to share that because she was just she was

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Speaker 3: saying gem and I know that there are listeners out

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Speaker 3: there who just think, oh my gosh, you just simply

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Speaker 3: can't get any worse. But it all begins to rebuild

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Speaker 3: when we love ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: I do not have any words to put behind those

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Speaker 1: beautiful words of sage wisdom, just to say thank you

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Speaker 1: so incredible, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, thank you. What a joy.

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Speaker 2: You're like such a real person.

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Speaker 1: You know, you like see somebody on TV and you're like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm a fan, and you're just like,

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Speaker 1: you're just like such a real person.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you just like eat fried chicken.

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Speaker 3: I love that, Oh my gosh, our favorite you know,

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Speaker 3: we discovered later what's it called Nashville Hot Chicken? Oh

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Speaker 3: my gosh, Oh.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I have to taste buds of a toddler, so when

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Speaker 1: it has hot in the name, I don't know about that.

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Speaker 3: I get, I know, I get. Our daughter is that

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Speaker 3: way too. She's like, Nope, just plain plane plane, but

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Speaker 3: but fried chicken though? Who says no to fried chicken?

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