Speaker 1: Welcome on and all to the hemb A Territory Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Sheellan Coleman. Hope, wherever you are and
Speaker 1: wherever you are listening, hopefully you're a Bif that or all.
Speaker 1: If you're a member of Braves Country, then you were
Speaker 1: a few days ago. The remedy for losing a few
Speaker 1: disappointing games in a row is being able to win
Speaker 1: a couple of good games in a row, especially in
Speaker 1: a twenty four to forty eight hour period, and that's
Speaker 1: what the Braves did tonight. Didn't look like it would
Speaker 1: be that way at first, but the Bats came alive,
Speaker 1: a five to four victory just ended with ricell Iglesias
Speaker 1: getting Luis Garcia to fly out, and as always here
Speaker 1: to break it all down. That plus some trade and
Speaker 1: scuttle butt. One of the best when it comes to
Speaker 1: breaking down the Braves. Friend your Friend podcast partner one
Speaker 1: and only, Steven Tolberth, Hello, Stephen.
Speaker 2: I think your intro gets all right. Your introduction for
Speaker 2: me gets longer. I like to think that you're adding
Speaker 2: a single word every time you know that prank where
Speaker 2: like you move somebody's desk like one inch every time
Speaker 2: they go to the bathroom, and so by at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, it's like ten feet away. I
Speaker 2: think that's what you're doing with the intro. I think
Speaker 2: you're adding a word every time.
Speaker 1: I start giving you a new nickname each week. Like
Speaker 1: I think I may do that one of the best
Speaker 1: when it comes, and I'm gonna stick with the literation,
Speaker 1: right like one of the best when it comes to
Speaker 1: bring to the eyes. I think it's one to go
Speaker 1: to good. But people don't care for that. They'll pick
Speaker 1: up on it in time. They're here for Tobert's takes.
Speaker 1: And there's plenty to take away from tonight's game, both
Speaker 1: before and deering, and why don't we just like the Braves,
Speaker 1: let's mix it up. Engineered by Fastena. So before we
Speaker 1: get to game action itself, Steven, the first talking point
Speaker 1: is who was not on the field tonight at least
Speaker 1: in the starting lineup, and that was one Austin Riley.
Speaker 1: I think that it makes a lot of sense, you know, Riley.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get your take on it and then and
Speaker 1: then I have my own take as well. But definitely
Speaker 1: a note. While it is a noteworthy development, it certainly
Speaker 1: seemed warranted after the past couple of games in New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Scott and Brad talked about it on
Speaker 2: their show last night. I think Scott even said he
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if if Riley sat today tonight's game,
Speaker 2: and that's the second what happened. Debon was in at third.
Speaker 2: You know, there's levels too bad, and there's there's versions
Speaker 2: of bad that you can kind of live with and
Speaker 2: just kind of help a guy, you know, maybe just
Speaker 2: fight his way through. But Riley was so bad in
Speaker 2: that New York series. I think he had like ten
Speaker 2: have like ten strikeouts in one three game series, which
Speaker 2: is like damn near impossible, quite honestly, and like very uncompetitive.
Speaker 2: It's not even the kind of strikeouts where like you
Speaker 2: work the count and like you get it to three
Speaker 2: to two and the guy has to throw seven pitches
Speaker 2: and at the very least you're like building up a
Speaker 2: pitch count not even know it's like one, two, three,
Speaker 2: go back to the dugout. Very uncompetitive. You know, I
Speaker 2: don't know what they're gonna do. I really don't. I
Speaker 2: would not be surprised, like if you told me right
Speaker 2: now that there's gonna be playoff games where Austin Riley sits,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't stun me, Like if they go get another
Speaker 2: bat somewhere and they can like live with not getting
Speaker 2: a ton of production from third base. I don't think
Speaker 2: they're gonna go get another third baseman because Austin makes
Speaker 2: too much money to go get another like long term answer,
Speaker 2: but yeah, that's where we are, Like he's just not
Speaker 2: good enough. And I tweeted it out the other day,
Speaker 2: like I would bat him ninth. If he's gonna be
Speaker 2: in there, he needs to be batting ninth. And I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised in late game situations, especially if there's
Speaker 2: a ridy on the mound where Austin gets pitch hint
Speaker 2: for with like Dom Smith coming up, you know, with
Speaker 2: a better platoonity man. Like, that's just where we are,
Speaker 2: Like we have to start treating Austin like the hitter
Speaker 2: he is and not the hitter he was. And that's
Speaker 2: just the reality. And it sucks. I know there's a
Speaker 2: lot of fans out there that love Austin, but like,
Speaker 2: that's just where we are right now. He's there are
Speaker 2: very few hitters on the team I would rather see
Speaker 2: up there less than Austin. Riley in a big situation.
Speaker 2: And that's just you know, I'm just being honest, and
Speaker 2: you know I kind of understood what was doing tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: And the other thing that I'll say is this is
Speaker 1: that it's it's obviously it's frustrating to see him striking
Speaker 1: out like he is. It always just seems like it's
Speaker 1: that slider away and he's just not making the adjustment
Speaker 1: to be able to put better at bats together. But
Speaker 1: what's even more frustrating is is that when he puts
Speaker 1: the ball in the bat right now, he's hitting the
Speaker 1: ball hard, but I think like a ninety six average
Speaker 1: exit velosty over the past seven to ten games. But
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter at the level that he's striking out.
Speaker 1: He's set a new franchise record for the most strikeouts
Speaker 1: in a single month of July. And like you said,
Speaker 1: it's great when he puts the ball in play, but
Speaker 1: if ninety percent of the time it's uncompetitive at bats,
Speaker 1: it it doesn't matter when you're putting the ball in play.
Speaker 1: And the other way to your point about we need
Speaker 1: to treat Austin Riley for who he is now rather
Speaker 1: than who he was. I think that he's in that
Speaker 1: same grouping now when it comes to a Hasan Kim
Speaker 1: or a Sean Murphy or you know, Yustremsky tonight hit
Speaker 1: a two run homer. That was great to see. But
Speaker 1: the point that I'm getting at is that we could
Speaker 1: talk about trades all day, but the Brays aren't going
Speaker 1: to be able to go out and get two or
Speaker 1: three offensive players. They just have too much needs on
Speaker 1: the pitching side. If this Braves team is going to
Speaker 1: win the World Series, they're likely going to have to
Speaker 1: get production from an unexpected source that's being paid a
Speaker 1: lot of money. And so when we're talking about, hey,
Speaker 1: Riley may not play playoff games, he may be pinch
Speaker 1: hit for if, for instance, has Song Kim. I'm not
Speaker 1: expecting this, But if Hassong Kim comes back and he's
Speaker 1: hitting the ball well and Austin continues to struggle, You've
Speaker 1: got an alternative there. You could put de Bond at
Speaker 1: short and Hassan Kim at third. Again, I'm not expecting that,
Speaker 1: But the main point that I'm getting at is is that, yes,
Speaker 1: the Braves should have no reservations at this point in time,
Speaker 1: and especially as things get more on the line. To
Speaker 1: if Austin Riley is still struggling, you've got to go
Speaker 1: with the more trustworthy option. And at some point in
Speaker 1: time that may be during a playoff game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again I said this during the New York series, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't blame WLT, Like I know it probably pisses
Speaker 2: Austin off, but I bet there's a part of Austin
Speaker 2: that understands it too. Like it's professional sports, like you
Speaker 2: have to produce or you don't. You're not just just
Speaker 2: because you have the contract doesn't mean you're just guaranteed
Speaker 2: to be given the opportunity to fail over and over
Speaker 2: and over. At some point they're gonna try something else.
Speaker 2: And again, Austin's got this long term money. There's no
Speaker 2: real long term answer here. The long term answer is
Speaker 2: they gotta hope Austin figures it out at some point,
Speaker 2: but in the short term, they don't have to play
Speaker 2: him right now. Like they could also go grab some
Speaker 2: sort of infield er at the deadline if like an
Speaker 2: outfielder doesn't produce itself, like they could go grab somebody
Speaker 2: who can play the infield a little bit to give
Speaker 2: them Austin Riley hasan Kim insurance like they certainly could
Speaker 2: do that. So yeah, I mean, it's just a tough situation.
Speaker 2: The Braves really need offense right now. The offense is
Speaker 2: kind of struggling coming into the game. They had a
Speaker 2: good game, which we're about to talk about, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I get it. I completely understand what Walt's doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the end of the day, you know, we
Speaker 1: talk about allegiances this time of year. You know, teams
Speaker 1: that are looking to sell players, their allegiance is for
Speaker 1: them to get the best return, so they don't have
Speaker 1: an allegiance of who they prefer to trade to. The
Speaker 1: Braves allegiance right now with this core, with how good
Speaker 1: this season has been record wise, at least so far,
Speaker 1: is to make the best decisions what pushed you in
Speaker 1: the best position to win against quality opponents, and right now,
Speaker 1: in a lot of situations, that's not going with Austin Riley.
Speaker 1: So if tough decisions need to be made, winning is
Speaker 1: what should determine what decision is made. But I will
Speaker 1: tell you what's going to help with winning, and that's
Speaker 1: Ronald Accuna Junior getting back to form, and we saw
Speaker 1: it tonight, stepped back and absolutely loud out I felt
Speaker 1: for I felt for Drake and and Ronald and Matt
Speaker 1: in that first inning because they were they went bananas
Speaker 1: and didn't have anything to show for it despite the
Speaker 1: Nationals hitting home runs. But then Acuna drove the ball
Speaker 1: out to right center field, same way we've discussed with
Speaker 1: Austin Riley, many of the Brave's right handed hitters, when
Speaker 1: they're driving the ball like that to write center field,
Speaker 1: it's a good sign. And you can kind of see
Speaker 1: glimpses of Ronald acuon you locking in if he gets
Speaker 1: on the heater. That's the difference making aspect of this team.
Speaker 1: That really puts him up there with anyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've talked I've talked about this before about with Ronald.
Speaker 2: You can a lot of times you can tell by
Speaker 2: the way Ronald takes pitches how locked in he is.
Speaker 2: And in that very first of bat he got behind
Speaker 2: O two and then Irvin threw three straight fastballs off
Speaker 2: the plate and got to a three to two count.
Speaker 2: But Ronald took all of them with ease, like he
Speaker 2: he didn't lunge. He wasn't like early. It was very
Speaker 2: comfortable takes. And then the next pitch Irban threw over
Speaker 2: the plate he hit like one hundred and nine miles. Now,
Speaker 2: now it was a line out, but he barreled it.
Speaker 2: The next time up, he hits one four hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty feet to center field for a homer. He takes
Speaker 2: a walk, like you can tell the way Ronald takes pitches.
Speaker 2: Even that lasted bat where he struck out, it wasn't
Speaker 2: a strike. It was a pitch off the plate that
Speaker 2: he took that the umpire called a strike. But like
Speaker 2: by that take, I can tell he's locked in. And
Speaker 2: so that's what they I mean, Baldwin, Ronald, and Olsen
Speaker 2: all being locked in at once is something we really
Speaker 2: haven't seen this year. I mean, just all of them
Speaker 2: on the field, something we haven't seen a ton of.
Speaker 2: But that's the version of this team that can be
Speaker 2: really scary and really dominant on the offense side of
Speaker 2: the ball. And I saw a lot of good at
Speaker 2: bats tonight from all those guys. I know, you know,
Speaker 2: it was frustrating early because everything wasn't out, But you
Speaker 2: hit the ball the way they hit the ball tonight,
Speaker 2: you're gonna score a lot of runs. So I was
Speaker 2: encouraged by the offense to night and it's of course
Speaker 2: it starts with Acunya.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now on the flip side of things, you know,
Speaker 1: of course Grant Holmes was on the mound and he
Speaker 1: wouldn't full on anybody tonight, whether it's Dylan Lyle. I
Speaker 1: believe you know, Dayalan Lyle.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I got Lyle. I'm just going to start
Speaker 1: saying three versions of everybody's name and hoping I'll get
Speaker 1: one of them right. The point I'm getting at is
Speaker 1: that he was absolutely on point when Dylan Lee through
Speaker 1: that middle middle fastball to Lyle when he was down
Speaker 1: three to one the count. I was like, oh gosh,
Speaker 1: here we go again. But thankfully he popped it up.
Speaker 1: But the point that I'm getting at is Grant Holmes
Speaker 1: once again kind of proved the point that that that
Speaker 1: we are to the point that when the Braves go
Speaker 1: out and get their starting pitcher. And I'm speaking as
Speaker 1: if this is going to happen, because I'm very confident
Speaker 1: that it is naturally. Grant homes spot in the rotation
Speaker 1: is the one that needs to be replaced, and you
Speaker 1: just simply need to shift Grant Holmes to the bullpen.
Speaker 1: I know that many and Brave's country realize this, but
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that we drive this point home.
Speaker 1: Grant Holmes has a value spot on this roster as
Speaker 1: a reliever, especially as a multi eating guy to keep
Speaker 1: it maybe a playoff game close, or as a sixth
Speaker 1: inning guy. He can get the job done as a reliever.
Speaker 1: But I think that his spot is the most natural spot.
Speaker 1: So if we do once we do at a starting pitcher,
Speaker 1: that starting pitcher takes over his spot and then Grant
Speaker 1: Holmes goes to the bullpen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that is a sound argument. I
Speaker 2: will say this. There are a number of Braves rotation
Speaker 2: spots that I can make the argument need to be
Speaker 2: the one that gets replaced after sale. It's a lot
Speaker 2: of question marks. You know, Elder Perez Lopez, you know
Speaker 2: Holmes are the four right now, I probably would lean
Speaker 2: to agreeing with you. I think Holmes is the one
Speaker 2: that I would remove, Yeah, because I think he would
Speaker 2: be the best weapon of the bullpen.
Speaker 1: He's just a reliever.
Speaker 2: Like he's a reliever. He had the problem with Grant
Speaker 2: like long term, is that his fastball is one of
Speaker 2: the most hit able pitches in baseball, and that's his
Speaker 2: problem for like three years now or two years. I guess,
Speaker 2: like when he throws that, when he has to throw
Speaker 2: that fastball over the plate, it gets annihilated. And when
Speaker 2: he gets ahead with a slider and the curveball and
Speaker 2: the breaking stuff, the fastball can survive. The problem is
Speaker 2: like if you don't have a good if you don't
Speaker 2: have like a pitchable fastball, it's really hard to be
Speaker 2: a starting pitcher. It's really hard to get fifteen outs
Speaker 2: in a game or six or you know, eighteen outs
Speaker 2: if you can't throw your fastball like consistently, and Grant
Speaker 2: can't because it gets it just gets annihilated. And the
Speaker 2: you know, for as many hard hit balls as the
Speaker 2: Braves said, the Nationals had just as many against Grant homes.
Speaker 2: So it's just more it's kind of the perfect game
Speaker 2: for the Braves. They won the game, the offense showed up,
Speaker 2: and it was more evidence that they need a starter,
Speaker 2: Like that's kind of how I want to win games
Speaker 2: right now, where everything is pointing towards Alex saying, hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: we won this game, but still very clearly need a
Speaker 2: starting pitcher, a really good starting pitcher. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: it was just kind of more evidence the Grand Grant
Speaker 2: as a reliever, and he's been a reliever for like
Speaker 2: two years and they just haven't been able to do
Speaker 2: it because they don't have enough starting pitching. Hopefully that
Speaker 2: changes in the next few days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that it is a you know, maybe
Speaker 1: the biggest factor in how good the Braves have done
Speaker 1: this year is, like I mentioned at the start of
Speaker 1: the year, more often than not, as the game goes along,
Speaker 1: the Braves are going to have the offensive as well
Speaker 1: as the bullpen advantage. And that is, you know, represented
Speaker 1: by the fact that they have the best late game
Speaker 1: run differential in baseball. I don't know how successful that
Speaker 1: is in the postseason. I can tell you it's definitely
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Speaker 1: remedy or the same source of success being you get
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Speaker 1: So Stephen, obviously we're one day closer to the trade deadline.
Speaker 1: Many expect the Braves are going to be one of
Speaker 1: the most active teams, and we're starting to get rumblings.
Speaker 1: The Scott Coleman, you know, mentioned that, you know, I
Speaker 1: believe it was Buster only who said that. You know,
Speaker 1: the past twenty four hours talks have gotten, you know,
Speaker 1: going like crazy. Jeff Passing mentioned that Friday would be
Speaker 1: when things start to happen, so you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: we'll start to see some action. But when it comes
Speaker 1: to the Braves, one thing that has developed in my
Speaker 1: mind over the past couple of days is, as badly
Speaker 1: as I want tark schoobl I can understand and probably
Speaker 1: agree with, it may not be the best usage of
Speaker 1: the Braves' assets to just put it into one source. Like,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I think that the move that
Speaker 1: moves the needle the most for the Braves to make
Speaker 1: a World Series run would be getting Schooble. And they
Speaker 1: absolutely see if they can get it done. But as
Speaker 1: much as his team needs a quality number two starter,
Speaker 1: I think that they definitely needed to add at least
Speaker 1: two arms that they feel could get through a playoff
Speaker 1: lineup at least one time. And one of those needs
Speaker 1: to be a left hander. With how much the other
Speaker 1: nationally contenders struggle more against left handers than right handers.
Speaker 1: So that's the takeaway that I have. Instead of maybe
Speaker 1: trying to overpay and go all out for just a
Speaker 1: clear quality number two starter, still try to get that,
Speaker 1: but I would also see if there is especially a
Speaker 1: left hander out there, even if he's had a bad year,
Speaker 1: that maybe you could feel you could improve that could
Speaker 1: be a multiple inning guy, maybe a starter to the
Speaker 1: rest of the regular season, but a multiple inning guy
Speaker 1: in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's all about cost, and that's the thing.
Speaker 2: That's the thing we just we're never gonna know. We
Speaker 2: have no idea what Detroit is gonna ask for. I mean, well,
Speaker 2: we'll have somewhat of a sense by whatever he eventually
Speaker 2: gets traded for, you can kind of make a one
Speaker 2: to one comparison for your system. Doesn't work exactly like
Speaker 2: that because teams view players differently. It's not just you know,
Speaker 2: it's not just a linear you know, comparison like that.
Speaker 2: It doesn't work like that. But we don't know what
Speaker 2: the cost is gonna be. So in that, you know,
Speaker 2: if you look anytime we talk about school on this show,
Speaker 2: if you look in the comments, it's all the Braves
Speaker 2: shouldn't give up the farm system for two months of
Speaker 2: you know, Terrek Scoogle. First of all, the Braves are
Speaker 2: not going to give up the farm system for two months.
Speaker 2: They're not gonna give the farm sist for two months
Speaker 2: of anybody. And Detroit is not going to get somebody's
Speaker 2: entire farm system for two months. Like, what you get
Speaker 2: is all based on the value of the player, and
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter how good the player is. If you're
Speaker 2: a two month rental, that value is capped and you're
Speaker 2: only gonna get so much. Like at some point every
Speaker 2: team in baseball will just say no and they'll just
Speaker 2: have to keep them. So I'm not worried about the
Speaker 2: Braves giving up the farm. What you can reasonably worried
Speaker 2: about is whatever you give Detroit to get schooble, could
Speaker 2: you use that those resources to potentially get multiple things
Speaker 2: on the market and be a better use of those resources,
Speaker 2: which I think what you're talking about, so, and that's
Speaker 2: perfectly reasonable. The problem is we just don't know those details.
Speaker 2: What I would say is the price that Schooble is
Speaker 2: going to demand or the Tigers are going to demand
Speaker 2: for school is commiserate with the level of talent you're
Speaker 2: adding to the team, because like, if you do it,
Speaker 2: let's just say hypothetically, the Braves meet the price, Schooble
Speaker 2: and Sale are now the one two punch for this team. Now,
Speaker 2: you probably don't have to go get a second starter
Speaker 2: because those two guys are so good that you could
Speaker 2: probably piece together like Game three with Diddy or Fintes
Speaker 2: and Grant Holmes, nobody pitching more than one time through
Speaker 2: the order. Ronaldo Lopez, like, you have enough guys who
Speaker 2: could probably get through one time of the order where
Speaker 2: you're not having to go get two guys. However, if
Speaker 2: you go get like a Trevor Rodgers instead of a
Speaker 2: schoobl then you probably are gonna won a second pitcher
Speaker 2: along with him. You see what I'm saying, Like, it's
Speaker 2: it's it's it's all relative. So and and you know,
Speaker 2: the variable we just don't know is cost. And you know,
Speaker 2: I was watching the broadcast tonight like everybody else was.
Speaker 2: First of all, Carl Ravach being on ESPN was why
Speaker 2: did you see that Carl ravtchs was calling games for
Speaker 2: esp I thought he got I thought he got laid off.
Speaker 1: Huge fan of Carl Ravitch by the way, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love like a big part of my childhood, like
Speaker 2: baseball tonight was a huge part of my childhood. But
Speaker 2: but I was watching the game tonight and I saw
Speaker 2: that same report by Buster that said the volume of
Speaker 2: calls picked up tremendously in the last twenty four hours,
Speaker 2: and he actually said he expects a whole wave of
Speaker 2: trades to happen potentially tomorrow, and then a second wave
Speaker 2: to happen on Monday. I think teams have finally I
Speaker 2: think one thing you've seen is I do think teams
Speaker 2: have finally declared like we're buying, we're selling, we're standing PA.
Speaker 2: I think at least Alex now knows who is all available.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's drastically gonna change. I really hope
Speaker 2: teams aren't making decisions like this based on like a
Speaker 2: three game sample, Like if you're still unsure that whether
Speaker 2: or not you should be buying or selling you shouldn't
Speaker 2: be buying. Is the easiest way to see, because you're
Speaker 2: if you're not. If you don't know your team is good,
Speaker 2: by now, they're not good. So I would hope, and
Speaker 2: baseball is filled with really a ton of really smart people.
Speaker 2: I doubt, very seriously, like the difference between going one
Speaker 2: and two or two and one is really gonna change
Speaker 2: somebody's entire direction of their franchise. Like I think most
Speaker 2: teams know what they're doing, and I think Alex probably
Speaker 2: knows by now what most teams are doing. And so
Speaker 2: it would not surprise me at all to see like
Speaker 2: starting like at any point right now it's it's nine
Speaker 2: pm Central as we're recording this, anytime in the next
Speaker 2: like twenty four to thirty six hours, like a whole
Speaker 2: rash of trades happening, would not surprise me at all.
Speaker 1: To throw some more names in there that could potentially
Speaker 1: put a package together, give me a couple of different scenarios.
Speaker 1: I think that if the Braves are serious about going
Speaker 1: to get Tark Schoogle, the duo that you start out
Speaker 1: with is going to be a J. Smith Shauber, because
Speaker 1: he I think I think he would stand out to
Speaker 1: the Tigers against other teams, young pitchers who could be
Speaker 1: immediate contributors but still have upside, potentially top of the
Speaker 1: rotation upside. He would be involved. We also know Tigers
Speaker 1: have scouted the Braves' farm system. Again girl Vitic mentioned
Speaker 1: that they seem to heavily scout Alex Ladiz. He would
Speaker 1: be involved as well. So that would be the duo
Speaker 1: that you would start off your package with, probably to
Speaker 1: get school and the Braves are going to have to
Speaker 1: add a very very good third prospect to beat other
Speaker 1: duos that other teams have. Other teams are going to
Speaker 1: have stronger duos. So that's kind of the package that
Speaker 1: you're going to put together for Schooble. But instead of
Speaker 1: going that route, what about the other Tiger pitcher, Casey
Speaker 1: Mice and maybe a start package with Lodis. But but
Speaker 1: you get to keep a J. Smith Shauber, right, and
Speaker 1: so now you have the setup of pil mize a J.
Speaker 1: Smith Shaffer Because I think that many would mention that
Speaker 1: if all the pictures the Braves have right now, your
Speaker 1: Game two starter could be a J. Smith Shaufer of
Speaker 1: who you have internally, right, now, so you don't go Schooble,
Speaker 1: you go Mice, you get him, you get to keep
Speaker 1: a J. Smith Shauber, and then you go out and
Speaker 1: maybe get that other multiple inning left handed guy or
Speaker 1: Robbie Ray would be someone. I'm sure there are others
Speaker 1: that are out there, but that's kind of the point
Speaker 1: that I'm getting at. I do think that the Braves
Speaker 1: do trade with the Tigers. Lodis is gone, and it's
Speaker 1: nothing against Lodise. He's there's a reason why the Tigers
Speaker 1: would want him. But again, going back to points that
Speaker 1: we made weeks ago, you're trading from a group of shortstops.
Speaker 1: You still have John Heel among others that are there
Speaker 1: as well. So just laying out different scenarios and if
Speaker 1: the cross just gets too much for Schooble at some point,
Speaker 1: you just want to be able to pivot to where
Speaker 1: you can feel more needs and maybe get even more
Speaker 1: depth in the starting rotation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, one reason I don't go
Speaker 2: into specific packages is again we have we like in
Speaker 2: my opinion, AG's miss schev would make sense for Detroit,
Speaker 2: Like if I was Detroit, that's one. Especially if they're
Speaker 2: doing the thing where they want to trade Schooble but
Speaker 2: still try to kind of compete and have like MLB
Speaker 2: ready pitching. Then Ages mischev makes a lot of sense
Speaker 2: to me. For all, I know, Detroit might like Detroit
Speaker 2: might not like Ages Mitchell at all. I don't know.
Speaker 2: They might be scared off by the fact that he
Speaker 2: literally just got and came back from Tommy Johnson, Like
Speaker 2: you know, that might knock him down enough. You know,
Speaker 2: wrongs on their list where he's he's out, and maybe
Speaker 2: Owen Murphy's the guy, or maybe j R. Richie's the guy,
Speaker 2: or maybe that's the thing is just every team views
Speaker 2: every other team's prospects differently, So anytime people send me
Speaker 2: trade packages, I typically ignore it just because there's no
Speaker 2: way to know. What I will say is one thing
Speaker 2: that has developed in and they put a graphic on
Speaker 2: the on the broadcast tonight. There are quite a few
Speaker 2: like decent pictures available, Like I think they had a
Speaker 2: graphic tonight with they had like sixteen different names on it,
Speaker 2: and it's all the names that you've heard us talk
Speaker 2: about a ton I The good thing is it's not
Speaker 2: Schooble or Bust because I think the Dodgers are gonna
Speaker 2: get Trek's Schooble. And I've said that. I said that
Speaker 2: like back in April, if you remember, I was talking
Speaker 2: about it, like I thought my biggest fear was Detroit
Speaker 2: sucking and the Dodgers getting Tread Schooble. I think that's
Speaker 2: exactly what.
Speaker 1: You don't have to repeat it, you don't have to
Speaker 1: ruin the ship.
Speaker 2: Okay, the Dodgers. Just I think that Dodgers Baseball America
Speaker 2: released their Top one hundred. I think the Dodgers had
Speaker 2: ten guys on their top one hundred or something something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like something absurd like that, Like not only the Dodgers'
Speaker 2: best team in baseball, they're the best farm system in baseball.
Speaker 2: So like, if the Dodgers want Scoopy, they're gonna get it.
Speaker 2: Let's just be clear about that. So the good news
Speaker 2: is for the Atlanta is it's not Schooble or bust.
Speaker 2: And like you said earlier, you could make the very
Speaker 2: rational argument that a better use of resources is to
Speaker 2: use what it would take to get Schooble and go
Speaker 2: get multiple things with those players. So I just want
Speaker 2: to see a really good number two starter added to
Speaker 2: this roster. It doesn't have to be schoobl It's not
Speaker 2: like I'm I don't need to. It's not to read
Speaker 2: school or or nothing for me. There's plenty of good pictures.
Speaker 2: Trevor Rodgers a good picture, Kevin Goalsman's a good picture.
Speaker 2: We'll see if Toronto would deal with Alex you know,
Speaker 2: Casey Mayes is a good picture. Apparently Hunter Green is
Speaker 2: available from the Reds. That's what Buster was talking about tonight.
Speaker 2: You know, you gotta be careful with injury stuff. The
Speaker 2: Braves have already had enough injury stuff, so you got
Speaker 2: to be careful there. But like there's some interesting arms.
Speaker 2: Foster Griven for the Nationals apparently can be moved if
Speaker 2: they can't agree to an extension, and they have not
Speaker 2: been able to agree to extension to this point. Like
Speaker 2: they're decent pitchers out there. So I'm confident that there's
Speaker 2: enough inventory. And I didn't even mention that the Angels
Speaker 2: guys who've been your favorite for most of the years,
Speaker 2: So there's inventory out there. The Braves have a good
Speaker 2: farm system. The Braves have a lot of money to spend,
Speaker 2: Like even if the Dodgers get school, the Braves still
Speaker 2: have a very very very good shot of getting a
Speaker 2: very good starting pitcher to go along with Chris Sale.
Speaker 2: And that's you know, I think they need a right
Speaker 2: handed bat as well. But that's the big item on
Speaker 2: the to do list.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and of course the other item on the
Speaker 1: to do list. You know, we could talk about, you know, relievers,
Speaker 1: and I know that Alex wants to add that type
Speaker 1: of believer. Sure that you'll pick someone off of the
Speaker 1: scrap heap's talk about the offense. This offense needs on
Speaker 1: of the bat. They definitely definitely do. But I think
Speaker 1: that you're starting to be able to see some categories
Speaker 1: of what you need to choose from. Right. You've got
Speaker 1: the on base percentage sources like Elaine Thomas or a
Speaker 1: Taylor Ward, but in their cases, both of them are
Speaker 1: past thirty. They're both their power numbers have gone down.
Speaker 3: Quite a bit.
Speaker 1: You've got the potential power sources like a Joe Adell
Speaker 1: or a Helio Ramos. Both of them are controllable. They're
Speaker 1: walk rates or Michael Harris level. So you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of kind of frustrating. An interesting end that I
Speaker 1: like is j McCarthy of Colorado. I think he has
Speaker 1: decent numbers outside of Colorado. But he also is someone
Speaker 1: who very much is a contact speed guy who may
Speaker 1: have a bit of you know, defensive upside, who could
Speaker 1: play any of the defensive positions. But I think that
Speaker 1: he's a good situational hitter. Would you put emphasis here?
Speaker 2: Is he not left handed?
Speaker 1: But well, I know that they want right handed hitters,
Speaker 1: but hey, at this point, I'll take a lefty that
Speaker 1: maybe can handle lefties, okay. And he's someone also that
Speaker 1: doesn't come with a monster contract like a Jung so
Speaker 1: Lee I believe out of San Francisco. So, Steve and
Speaker 1: I pose this question to you, regardless of right hand
Speaker 1: or left hand. You know that's one aspect that you
Speaker 1: factor in for a hitter. What's the number one offensive
Speaker 1: skill you think that a hitter target needs to have
Speaker 1: for this brave lineup? Is it on base skills? Is
Speaker 1: it power? Is it defensive versatility? What is the number
Speaker 1: one aspect of a position player addition that you're looking for?
Speaker 1: I think I know the answer, but I'm asking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I I would always rather have Well,
Speaker 2: let me rephrase, when you already have Akunya and Baldwin
Speaker 2: on the team, who are both extremely high on base
Speaker 2: guys and Olsen, who's always a high walk rate guy.
Speaker 2: Give me power, give me guys, I can hit the
Speaker 2: ball of the ballpark, because it's just the easiest way
Speaker 2: to win the postseason. You know, Like Joe Adell has
Speaker 2: got like a one seventy WRC plus against left handed
Speaker 2: pitching this year. It's a you know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: say it's a ton of homers. I think he's got
Speaker 2: like seventeen homers this year, but that's probably on pace
Speaker 2: for like twenty five thirty for the season. So like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's not great. He doesn't walk a lot, he's he's
Speaker 2: been very bad. He gets right handed pitching. Like it's
Speaker 2: a it's a very specific need, and he's he is
Speaker 2: he would be covering a very very specific part of
Speaker 2: the club. But it's a part of the club that
Speaker 2: I think needs to be covered because right now it's
Speaker 2: Eli White and not a lot else, quite honestly, and
Speaker 2: you know, that's what I would look for, even you know,
Speaker 2: there's probably a bunch of you know, the thing that
Speaker 2: we don't know is like some of these fringe teams,
Speaker 2: if they're gonna sell, I think there were actually gonna
Speaker 2: see Sean is a couple of teams who might buy
Speaker 2: and sell. I've heard a lot of like teams being
Speaker 2: you know, they're being strategy about, like, Okay, we're not
Speaker 2: gonna win this year, so we're gonna sell off some rentals,
Speaker 2: but we also maybe buy, which means there might be
Speaker 2: guys available that you don't think are available, Like you know,
Speaker 2: what Alex, Is there anything in the numbers that the
Speaker 2: Braves like about, like a George Springer? Again, it would
Speaker 2: take the Blue Jays actually being willing to trade with Alex,
Speaker 2: which we don't know, but you know, guys who've hit
Speaker 2: for power in the past. I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 2: I do think the right handed outfield market is probably
Speaker 2: a little light in terms of supply, and I think
Speaker 2: there are a number teams out there that are actually
Speaker 2: looking for right handed power. It's been a weird thing
Speaker 2: in baseball this year where like lefties are thriving and
Speaker 2: right handed hitters are not. I don't know really why
Speaker 2: that's been happening, but you know, like I heard like
Speaker 2: the Marlins might be be willing to trade some of
Speaker 2: their right handed hitters some of like some of the
Speaker 2: really good right handed hitters you know, I'm fascinating to
Speaker 2: what the Phillies do, Like the Phillies a fallen off
Speaker 2: planet earth.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Don Mattingly made some weird comments about Bryce Harper, like
Speaker 2: to the media a couple of days ago. They were like,
Speaker 2: good lord, dude, that's where we're going. We're calling out
Speaker 2: our one of our best players publicly. So hey see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah really, it's it's a heartbreaking situation in Philadelphia right now.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's gonna be just fascinating to see what
Speaker 2: teams do. That's what I That's what we really don't
Speaker 2: know is who's who is fully available, because I think
Speaker 2: there's gonna be some surprising names moved, quite honestly, And
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be some surprising teams that maybe
Speaker 2: buy and sell. But yeah, I mean, you know, really
Speaker 2: good starter, a right handed hitter preferably for me, who
Speaker 2: can hit for some power. You know, there's been this
Speaker 2: stuff about Robert Suarez not being really ready and taking
Speaker 2: a lot longer to get ready than they maybe hoped
Speaker 2: it would from this injury. Maybe a reliever is in
Speaker 2: the is in the cards as well. It usually is
Speaker 2: for Alex quite honestly, So we'll see Yeah.
Speaker 1: The one thing that what I'll in with is this
Speaker 1: when it comes to Alex and Thopless is now. I
Speaker 1: know that there was that quote unquote one n L
Speaker 1: executive who said that he felt Alex was kind of
Speaker 1: going to play it by a ear and wait till
Speaker 1: the last second like he did in twenty one and
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. But one thing that I'll
Speaker 1: say to Alex is this, if you have the chance
Speaker 1: to get your guy waitting tomorrow, like, don't wait until
Speaker 1: try to see the price drop. If there's a guy
Speaker 1: that you prefer be willing to pay the price, don't go.
Speaker 1: You know absolutely, you know overpriced, but you've got the
Speaker 1: prospect death. This means that you can go get your
Speaker 1: guy when you want. And getting him now or getting
Speaker 1: him early not necessarily allows for you over the next
Speaker 1: couple of days to use him, but it guarantees that
Speaker 1: you get him, and that means that you're going to
Speaker 1: have him in the fold to be able to create
Speaker 1: the biggest difference for you that you can get. So
Speaker 1: go get your guy. That's that's the one thing that
Speaker 1: I'll end with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's I mean, I hope everybody's got notifications
Speaker 2: turned on because literally any second we can get the
Speaker 2: uh the blue box from the team or the Jeff
Speaker 2: Passing tweet or the Ken Rosenthal tweet like and it's
Speaker 2: all go. So this is certainly emergency podcast season. Obviously
Speaker 2: there's this is a not emergency. This is a normal
Speaker 2: podcast after a win. But don't be surprised at all.
Speaker 2: And it might happen at one am, like it did
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago when they got Hore Soilaire
Speaker 2: and Luke Jackson. So yeah, I have notifications turned on
Speaker 2: because this is the time of year where stuff.
Speaker 1: Happens, absolutely and we're gonna be here to cover it
Speaker 1: all for you. To be honest with you, I don't
Speaker 1: want to cover another Hora Silaire acquisition. Go go, go,
Speaker 1: go get difference makers, get them. Let' let let it,
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