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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring to this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: Is this this Morning Combat? Hey, it's the twenty seventh

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Speaker 1: of March twenty twenty three. We're back home and ready

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Speaker 1: to do a show. Hi everyone, it's time for Morning Combat,

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Speaker 1: your award winning podcast of so many different kinds of awards.

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Speaker 1: We've just lost track over here. I am one half

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Speaker 1: of your hosting duo. My name is lu Thomas. I

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Speaker 1: joined from the capital of the Status and needles for

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Speaker 1: here in Washington, DC, joined by the King of Layovers.

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Speaker 1: No one loves a layover quite like this guy. What

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's the Luke. That's the life we choose,

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Speaker 1: And Nemkov should win that one. I think we both agree.

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Speaker 2: right short of that midway point up to this point,

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00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,040
Speaker 2: it's all benavidas all the time we thought Plant might

430
00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,960
Speaker 2: be the first one to be able to slow that. No,

431
00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,520
Speaker 2: not even close. That just shows you that all that hype,

432
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,840
Speaker 2: all that flash you saw was absolutely legit. David Benavitez

433
00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:29,440
Speaker 2: is the real deal.

434
00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:31,720
Speaker 1: I think for me what it proved, you see, I

435
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,679
Speaker 1: would agree with just about everything you said for me.

436
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 1: You know, in picking Kalb Plant. You know, just abc

437
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,440
Speaker 1: who was the guy I am so bad with names.

438
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,440
Speaker 1: Who is the very nice guy who he ran into

439
00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,240
Speaker 1: from the porter Way podcast.

440
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 2: Sean Zetel Sean, Yeah, dude, what a nice guy, what

441
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:50,520
Speaker 2: a smart guy.

442
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,199
Speaker 1: We ran into him and he's like, hey, who are

443
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 1: you guys taking, and we're like, Kale Plant. He goes

444
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:55,880
Speaker 1: just like this, he goes, guys, come on.

445
00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,680
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's I understand it. It was betting favorite.

446
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 1: I get it. And when it wasn't like he was

447
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,920
Speaker 1: a minus two thousand favorite, I think he was saying

448
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,680
Speaker 1: it like, if you're a reasonably educated fight fan, you

449
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 1: should be getting this fight in favor of David Benavidez,

450
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,880
Speaker 1: and in retrospect quite obviously correct. I will say this though,

451
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,880
Speaker 1: this was what I was waiting for from David Benavidez

452
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 1: because you mentioned something we know about the cocaine, which

453
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 1: was not my business. But if it's showing up in

454
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,199
Speaker 1: ways that commission tests can find it, you have to

455
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 1: ask yourself about your risk management. Right, So not my

456
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 1: business that he used, but let's make sure that there's

457
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 1: enough of a firewall between your professional personal life so

458
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 1: that one doesn't really affect the other in ways that

459
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,479
Speaker 1: we don't want it to. That would be the first thing.

460
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 1: And then, of course, the very first time we covered

461
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 1: together at David Benavidez fight as an MK duo, David

462
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 1: Benavidez missed weight like that was my first time interacting

463
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 1: with him, and he misses weight, losing his title on

464
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 1: the scales and listen, it's not like you didn't see

465
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 1: him on tape moving downhill on everyone, and you know

466
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 1: it was incredible in the highlights that I showed from

467
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 1: the David Lemieux fight, but like Caleb Plant was none

468
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 1: of those things. And to me, when I said I

469
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 1: needed to see David Benavidez proven, I didn't necessarily mean

470
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 1: to think he couldn't do it, but yeah, you actually

471
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 1: have to go through it at age twenty six, it

472
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 1: was time for him to get a high quality opponent

473
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,919
Speaker 1: in a big stakes fight. Ton to gain Ton to

474
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 1: lose headlining role on pay per view. Let's see what

475
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 1: you can do now. You've got all the mistakes out

476
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 1: of your system in theory, you're set up physically to

477
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,719
Speaker 1: be here right when you need to. You know what

478
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,919
Speaker 1: you'd have to do to win. You've got your training,

479
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 1: you set upright, You've got your living situation upright. You've

480
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: got your house in order, the finances are there, no excuses.

481
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 1: What can you go in there and show us? And

482
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 1: he showed us exactly what we thought. I think at

483
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: least a certain point could have been there. It was

484
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 1: a masterful performance with David Benavidez. Took his time early, obviously,

485
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 1: and you kind of gave you the impression that Plant

486
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: was in it. But when he really began to do

487
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 1: things that David Benavidez does, he he could not be stopped.

488
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 1: In BC. Some of the things I was worried about,

489
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,479
Speaker 1: like him bringing his defense together. He's so sturdy, Caleb

490
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: Plant couldn't break it open in any way whatsoever. Man

491
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: Like all of the questions I had BC got answered.

492
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: And then he put a little insurance and sugar on

493
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Speaker 1: top to make it known that, like, this guy is

494
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Speaker 1: going to be a force to be reckoned with at

495
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Speaker 1: one sixty eight, potentially one seventy five for years to come.

496
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad you say that because it didn't

497
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: jump out of the box score. But defense was a

498
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 2: monster part of this, And this is something we don't

499
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 2: talk about a lot with bet David Benavidez. He's never

500
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 2: reckless or irresponsible. But when you have a style built

501
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 2: upon cutting off the ring, cornering your opponent with such volume,

502
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: you can leave yourself open to begin with. He also

503
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 2: squares up when he really feels like he has you pinned.

504
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 2: But what what was the big key in this fight

505
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 2: in how things turned in the midway point once he

506
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 2: was able to close that distance and start to trap

507
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: Caleb Plant. The power was the difference, never on a

508
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 2: one punch level, because Plant never went down, although he

509
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 2: looked close to going out a few times. But think

510
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: about it, once that power started landing, it changed Caleb Plant.

511
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: Something I didn't end up thinking that was going to happen.

512
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 2: I knew Kaylen Plant had the heart to go the

513
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: distance and he needed to show every inch of the heart.

514
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 2: It turns out to be able to do that, but

515
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: I thought he would be more into the fight in

516
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,239
Speaker 2: the second half offensively. Benavitez took that away once he

517
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: was able to start coming forward using his footwork to

518
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: cut off the ring and the toll of this pressure style,

519
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 2: big body wearing on you and a great infighter. Right

520
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 2: if we found out something negative about Kayla Plant at

521
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: this level in this fight was that he wasn't able

522
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 2: to fight Benavidez off on the inside at all to

523
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 2: gain that space. First half of the fight, Plant created

524
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 2: that space with his movement, but once the toll of

525
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 2: those short punches started to line up, especially to the body,

526
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: it slowed Plant down. It took the peprof his shots.

527
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 2: And when you're allowing David Benavitez to come downhill on you,

528
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 2: it's going to be over pretty quick. So anyone that

529
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: had Benaviaz and said it was a no brainer. Kirk, congratulations,

530
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: Reel Marcus was on our way and show with us,

531
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: Luke having fun with us saying I'm not going to

532
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: be there to wipe your tears when this guy loses.

533
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 2: It went the way it did. We want David Benavidez

534
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: to live up to his full potential here as the

535
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 2: Mexican Monster. He jumped through your screen on Saturday to

536
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 2: show you that you could not ask for a deeper division. Now, Luke,

537
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: I know the conversation sooner than later's going to turn

538
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 2: to Canelo here, but we have a very deep, sexy division.

539
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 2: The majority of them happened to be on this side

540
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: of the street with under the PBC and the greater

541
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: showtime banners, which is, you know, fun for fans. But

542
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,719
Speaker 2: if this kid's going to become a star, he's got

543
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,959
Speaker 2: the opportunity to do it in the next year or two.

544
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 2: Luke a legitimate crossover star because he's got that Mexican

545
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: fan base behind him. That was one of the best

546
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 2: in arena experiences I've had in some time to you

547
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 2: know how, you know, intoxicating that crowd love was. It

548
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 2: felt like a big deal there and it turned out

549
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: to be Bacie.

550
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Speaker 1: I want to be very careful about what I'm about

551
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: to say because it's just two forty year old white

552
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: guys talking about you know, Latino fan preferences. But I

553
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: will say something as an observer, and I mean just

554
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: in that role as an observer, I have seen a

555
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 1: lot of fighters of Mexican heritage, both of them main

556
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: boxing obviously, but I have seen how the I have

557
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: seen a version anyway of how the Mexican fight fans

558
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: embrace them. And to be clear, the Mexican fight fans

559
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: are some of the very best in the sport, and

560
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: they get busy for basically anybody of Mexican descent, man

561
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: like if you're you know, if you're that guy, if

562
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: you're from Guadalajara, from Tijuana, wherever you're from, and then

563
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: they read down the announcement or announcement they're about to fight.

564
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: The Mexican fight fans are not quiet, like they'll let

565
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: you know about it. But there are a certain kind

566
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: of like top class of Mexican fighter that to me

567
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: doesn't just get the love from the fight fans, but

568
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 1: has a relationship to them, pulls them like they are

569
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: much more willing to uh like almost like CON's army,

570
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: like the very dedicated to that person. Canelo obviously is

571
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: the leading light in that guy. Boy, I gotta tell

572
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: you you better put David Benavidez on that list as well.

573
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: The Mexican fight fans, both the Mexican American ones and

574
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: the course of the ones across the border. Do they

575
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: love this guy. They are ready to lay down this

576
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: guy anywhere.

577
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: He's got that that that's exact spirit that the you know,

578
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: I'm speaking for the stereotypical Mexican fan here, but I'm

579
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: trying to, knowing my knowledge in boxing, of a guy

580
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: who's gonna come forward, make the fight happen, has a

581
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: great chin, acts the part of badass, doesn't back down

582
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: in trash talking situations, So that advantage is always going

583
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: to be there if he could live up to the

584
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,239
Speaker 2: expectations and keep his titles for the right reasons and

585
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: win these big opportunities. So it feels like a no brainer.

586
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: But what's interesting, though, is as passionate and loyal as

587
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: that fan base can be, they demand a certain thing,

588
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 2: and you know, for Canelo, for example, I think it

589
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: took until the Glovekin rematch when he walked Gnadi down,

590
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 2: or the Mexican audience, even you know, the most hardcore

591
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 2: cynical ones that said, Okay, you know it's Canelo a

592
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 2: pretty boy? Or is he is he our next shop?

593
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: Is is he our next? You know guy that we seriously

594
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: no questions, asking get behind in rally and trust and love.

595
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 2: Canelo became that over time, Oscar as a Mexican American

596
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: became that overtime took him a while. Remember, you know,

597
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: he wasn't accepted by the Mexican audience when he went

598
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: in there twice against their hero Chavez and won the

599
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 2: way they did. But for Benevetez Luke, that part is

600
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: already there. People already are just so what that tells

601
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: you is the fan base is waiting for him to

602
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: live up to the expectations. And now that it's happening,

603
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: Oh boy, oh boy, how big can these fights get

604
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,479
Speaker 2: against the Canelos, the Charlos, you know, the on and

605
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: on across the board. And I love that you mentioned

606
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: one seventy five there. It's not something they talk about

607
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 2: a lot. But you know, he's got to work hard

608
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: to get down to one sixty eight where he's a monster.

609
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think he can carry that

610
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: frame up because of his because of the foundations of

611
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: his actual boxing game and uh bright future ahead, Luke,

612
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: if he can keep his head on straight, and I

613
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: think he's in the right direction to start.

614
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: To do that. Yeah. No, doubt about it. So that

615
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: takes us to point number two here, BC, Let's let's

616
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: move the conversation to where we know it's going to go.

617
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: Because if you're at one sixty eight, you're asking who

618
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: is who are the champions at one sixty eight? Right? Well,

619
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: good news it's one guy. It's Canelo Alvarez. He has

620
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: all the titles in that weight class. But as David

621
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: Benavidez says, he's been the mandatory for Canelo for quite

622
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: some time. And I know there was some questions on

623
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: the Canelo side about whether David Benavidez was going to

624
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: win this contest he did, whether he'd be a big

625
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: enough star he is now, in my judgment, I don't

626
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: think he's really I mean, he had that crowd BC

627
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: eating out of the palm of his hand that night.

628
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: They were ready for him to just absolutely own. So

629
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: now we don't know what's going to happen. Canelo could

630
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: fight Bivol a second time. He has the John Ryder

631
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: mandatory coming up for Cinco de Mayo. But BC, let's

632
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: assume a world can be made end of this year

633
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: or sometime early next year. Is Canelo Alvarez versus David

634
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: Benavitez one of the biggest fights you can make in boxing.

635
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's an argument to be made. It's

636
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: a hipster, sneaky one that this could even be the biggest, right.

637
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: I mean, look, if Spence and Crawford get their stuff together,

638
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: even with the fatigue, league of the customer and the frustration,

639
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: that would still be big. Fury Usk would be massive.

640
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: You know, it didn't look like that's happening, Luke. Obviously,

641
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: you and Joshua, even Fury Joshua on UK soil would

642
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: be huge. In no disrespect obviously what Taken Ryan are

643
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: going to do April twenty second. But you have the

644
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: fan base across global boxing, and now you've got two

645
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: of their own and style wized Luke. Who's the Who's

646
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: the boogeyman of this division? It's Beneftaz. I mean, you know,

647
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: no disrespect to David Morrele Junior and these other names

648
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: that are coming up, and they could they could have

649
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: their say, but it just makes it where that's the

650
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 2: best style that we want to see Canelo against Canelo.

651
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: You know, can Illi fight anybody, any style and he

652
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: and he's been great and he's versatile and in everything

653
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: about it. But there are some questions about exactly where

654
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: Canelo's stock is after an interesting twenty twenty two close

655
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: loss to bev all but clear in our eyes and

656
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: then be Keonati Glovkin a third time, but you know,

657
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: not all that inspiring of a performance. He knows he's

658
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: here in that whispers he's gonna do the Guadalara homecoming.

659
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: He'll be a big favorite against John Ryder. But he's

660
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: got a big decision to make here. And I wonder

661
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: if the fact that people are doubting Canelo now, if

662
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: they're saying okay, has it finally caught up to him

663
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: the grind. He's got a busy schedule. He's got way

664
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: more fights than you think he does. So when you're

665
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: in your early thirties, Luke, but you turn pro at fifteen, right,

666
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: you've got some extra miles on you in that regard.

667
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: I think the competitor and Canelo may end up winning

668
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: out when it comes down to decision time. And it

669
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: obviously helps that because Benavite is won in the way

670
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: he just did against Plant and headlined a pay per

671
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: view in Vegas with the Mexican crowd just elevating him up.

672
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but I don't

673
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: think Canelo can duck it right now or it will

674
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: be looked at as a duck. And that's hard to

675
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: say when the duck, if it goes that way, is

676
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: potentially him moving back up in wait and getting a

677
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: second crack at one of the ten best in the world,

678
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: an unbeaten light heavyweight champion, Dmitri Bevall, like in any

679
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: I mean, in any situation that's daring to be great,

680
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: like with an asterisk. Got it this badass right, But

681
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: I think now it's it's not just the hardcorese Boxing

682
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: in general is calling for this fight because there's no

683
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: way entertainment style clashing wise, it doesn't live up to expectations.

684
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: And I think it's gonna be that kind. It's gonna

685
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: promise action, it's gonna be all about sort of those

686
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: pure elements of this game that people love to put

687
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: their hard earned money out and get in return. Yeah,

688
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: that fight is in contention for the biggest fight you

689
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: can make, either this year or next year. And I

690
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: think Luke can tell me. I want your opinion if

691
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: you think I'm wrong. If Canelo chooses bev All over

692
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: this at this point for the second half of this year,

693
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: when he owns Mexican Independence Day weekend September Las Vegas.

694
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: I don't think people are gonna be like, hey, dude,

695
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: great job. Bevall is a tough act. Let's do it

696
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: a second time. People are gonna be like the real

697
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: Mexican monsters over there, and you're you're you're not gonna

698
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: hear the cries. The different nce Luke is this Canelo's

699
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: got a history that he's shown us that I think

700
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: he will, right, I think he will. I think he

701
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: will do this. I think he's going to give us

702
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: exactly what we want because that's how he's wired and

703
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: that's who he is. But will it be fair, Luke?

704
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: If he chooses b Vall and we're calling him a duck,

705
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: that's I mean, that's a hard justification to make.

706
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: You what do you thought? I don't, yeah, I don't

707
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: think people would say. It's almost one of those things

708
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: where it's like if you take the Bivol fight, certain

709
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: people are going to look at that like, right, you're

710
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: taking a fight you already lost that you know you

711
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: can't win, but you won't get beat up in and

712
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: you can say, oh, look at the tough fight I'm taking. Meanwhile,

713
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: you're avoiding a fight that would be physically more taxing

714
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: in David Benavidez, and potentially you even lose that one.

715
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: But you can at least say, well, I was one

716
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: seventy five. You know, if the guy was smaller, I

717
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: would have won. There'll be a certain cynic in that

718
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: regard who will make that argument. See in terms of

719
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: the question like was it going to be the biggest?

720
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if it can be the biggest, especially

721
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: when you have like a Fury Joshua in the UK.

722
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: I mean, do that would sell out a stadium almost instantly? Right?

723
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean that's going to be hard to copy.

724
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 2: But can I pause you? Can I pause you and

725
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: just ask that if if the idea and I haven't

726
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: heard anything, I haven't heard anybody talking about this just happened, right,

727
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,719
Speaker 2: But if the idea was something as big as Canelo

728
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: versus Benavidez, could you do Jerry's world? Canelo sold a

729
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: shitload this? You could a Cowboys stadium for Liam Liam

730
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: Smith the Liverpool guy is his opponent Luke, So could

731
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: that could that justify that? Where it's like that, so

732
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: you could do that, ask stadium.

733
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: Foot sure, sure, but even then it's like, there's not

734
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: a question in my mind you'd fill stadium in the

735
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: UK with Joshua one Fury. There's still a question in

736
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: my mind about whether you could fill it, but you

737
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: probably could. But I mean, here's to me, that's sort

738
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: of other way to look at it, BC, Like, what

739
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: is it top three, top four box office potential, pay

740
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: per view potential in all boxing fights. But here's sort

741
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: of another historical angle. If I'm getting any of this wrong,

742
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: obviously please correct me on the airBC, I don't mind.

743
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: But here's just one thing about Canelo that makes this

744
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: interesting to me. He's never really had during the prime

745
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: of his run a genuine other Mexican rival. I mean,

746
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: Alfredo and Goola is not that guy. Jose Sito Lopez

747
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: is not that guy.

748
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: Say again, they did the Chavez Junior Chavez Junior Bros.

749
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: Only because twenty seven, twenty seventeen or eighteen, but only

750
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: because of what you're saying, only because there was that

751
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 2: much time left to cash in on the name of

752
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 2: Chavez Junior. But to your point, you're right.

753
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: Not a real one. He didn't have a real one.

754
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: And there's a question, obviously, what do you want to

755
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: say about dela Hoya fighting who your says are Chavez

756
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: twice and Chavez had what ninety fights or something before

757
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: they ever fought, And.

758
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: The first fight I think is still legitimate from the

759
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: idea of Chavez having enough in the gas tank. And

760
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: but but to your point here, the Mexican audience looked

761
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: at De la Hoya as American and not one of

762
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: them in that fight. It took it took Oscar a while.

763
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: I think it was the Corte fight that started to

764
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: win people back because of how large his satchel was

765
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 2: in the twelfth round.

766
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: Okay, But the bottom trying to make here is David

767
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: Bitavidez doesn't have to win over boxing fans necessarily in

768
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: the same way that De la Hoya did. But de

769
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: la Hoya had to sit down a top rival, he

770
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: had to face a Mexican rival, the older one. In

771
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: this particular case, Canelo would actually fill the role closer

772
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: to Hulu sees our Chavez in this comparison. But what

773
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying is he's never really had that. In all

774
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: my time covering Canelo basically He's always been that guy

775
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: for Mexico. He's always been the leading example and he

776
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: never had to share the spotlight except you know, like

777
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: with Andy Ruiz, but he's at heavyweight or something else

778
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: in various times, and then half the guys were in

779
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 1: the same stable. Anyway, to me, this represents a new

780
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: challenge for Canelo. There could be can you imagine another

781
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: fighter young who beats him, who also has the adoration

782
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: of the Mexican fans. That's like a new threat to

783
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: Canelo in ways that we just simply haven't seen really

784
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: ever in his career in a meaningful way. So, you know,

785
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: David Benavidez represents not just a huge and lucrative fight,

786
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: but bc historically a one of the more frankly important challenges,

787
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: especially for that market. They come from in ways that

788
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: we just haven't really seen in Canelo's career before.

789
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: The question, now, let me ask you the hard questions. Now,

790
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 2: I'd like to know from you. Do you have any

791
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: concern based on twenty twenty two. But again, it's a

792
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: little unfair to even say this, but let's be real.

793
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: Here is Canelo and notch down from where he was

794
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 2: through the Plant fight. In your eyes given agent mileage.

795
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: And number two, did you see enough in Benavitez on

796
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: Saturday to know that like he's actually ready to win this,

797
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: like this is in play where he could go out

798
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: there and potentially beat Canilo.

799
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: Well, two hard questions. Let's start with the second part. First,

800
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: as good as this performance was, and it was good,

801
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: and as good as his preparation was, and it was excellent.

802
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: Remember one sixty six and change well below championship weight,

803
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: and he looked still the bigger, stronger guy, no cardio issues.

804
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: He means, fucking looked amazing. But he's got to do

805
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: that again. And then he's got to do that again.

806
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: That is the one thing about kaylob Plant being like

807
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: I don't need this opponent to get up or that

808
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: opportunity to get up. I just get up no matter what.

809
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to see some of that same consistency

810
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: from a still remember if it been to bed as

811
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: his twin twenty six. So we'll see on that end, BC,

812
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: I forgot the first part of your question.

813
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: First, the question was you have any doubts that that

814
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: Canelo's you know, slipping a little bit.

815
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: Oh well, listen, I'm like you, I saw the Triple

816
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: G H Trilogy fight, and then obviously against Bivoll, he

817
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: was totally outmatched. It's just two fights. Now it's twenty

818
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: four rounds, but it's just two fights. I don't know,

819
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: because the guy in Triple G was really old and

820
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: so you can't it's a weird fight. And then Billvoll

821
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: was just way too big and way too good. I

822
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: need to see one, one or two more before I

823
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: can really permanently say. Other people might feel more comfortable,

824
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: but I don't feel all that comfortable.

825
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 2: If he stops John Ryder in Guadalajara and the fans

826
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: go crazy, we're all going to be back in believing

827
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: on this guy. You know, in the conversation for number

828
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 2: one pound for pound, and you know, he never really

829
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: fell off too far with that Bevall loss. Let's be

830
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: fair like that was that was you know, extra trying

831
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 2: daring to be great. But yeah, I mean, dude, hey,

832
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: Canelo Big, I love you. I mean that the eyeballs

833
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: of your wife's on the forum. It's it's what you know,

834
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: it's questionable questions, question will tattoo, but uh, you know,

835
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 2: to each their own all right, Now, look, there's nothing

836
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: that in mind. I'm in the middle of a soliloquy

837
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: to come.

838
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I thought you were done. I apologize.

839
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 2: No, no, I was just just getting just warming up.

840
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: But go ahead, go ahead, my friend.

841
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: You've long carried the crown of the rare crossover superstar,

842
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: who's the biggest pay per view king in the sport

843
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: while being first stretch, a strong stretch, also the best

844
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: fighter in the sport. That gives you leverage to do

845
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 2: things that the fans hate. Okay, you wait to triple

846
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 2: g out a little bit, that's fine. You know you

847
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: inevitably caught up to him. We got three fights. We

848
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: only needed to.

849
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: We got three.

850
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: That's fine. I know, I know what you're made of.

851
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 2: You make great decisions in the spot for the sport.

852
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: Go go swiftly in the direction of young David Benevitez

853
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: this fall. You know the business that will do. But

854
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: also you know what it takes in the spot, and

855
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 2: what it takes is to welcome all challengers. So you

856
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: know the bev All fight will be there. Let bev

857
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: All fight better be if can we have that fight? Canelo?

858
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: Can you not get the way of that fight here?

859
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: That's the other part too. It's not just a waste

860
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: of Canelo's time, at least to us, it's a waste

861
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: of bival time too.

862
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Canelo to close. Okay, look me very closely

863
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: here in the eyes, not these these iyes. Okay, this

864
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: is what we expect of you. Membership has its privileges.

865
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: You're the man in the game because you do stuff

866
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: like this. It's what we expect. Bro, good lord them.

867
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 2: We're gonna be loving it later this year. If we

868
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: can get that in September, Wow, Luke, I mean, can

869
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 2: you put that in as Teca Stadium? Can we break

870
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 2: the Travez Hoggen attendance record?

871
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: Luke?

872
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, but.

873
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: Wow, all right, I can't wait. We shall see what happens.

874
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: B See, let's get to the UFC side of things.

875
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: If we can point number three, So let's talk about it.

876
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: Corey Sanhagen outwork Twido Vera in his UFC Man event.

877
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: UFC san Antonio, in your opinion, he didn't just did

878
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: he just not get a win? Did he also out

879
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: class Cheeto Vera?

880
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent. This is you. We make jokes

881
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: about it. One day. I want to get it tattooed

882
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: around Luke's naval upper bound limits. This was the peak

883
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: of what Corey Sanhagen is able to do. And we

884
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 2: asked a lot of him coming into this matchup because

885
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: what was at stake ultimately was retaining your spot as

886
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 2: one of the true elites in the deepest division in

887
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: the game right now and Argua believe in historically, and

888
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: Luke he not. He came out and did that and

889
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: then some this is what a mixed martial artist looks like.

890
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: He's already unique in the style of his movements and

891
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: his setups and how smart he is, and he's got

892
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: the long limbs and all of that. But Luke, he

893
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: never stopped coming at Marlon Vera, and that you know,

894
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: and that's what happens is a lot of times Vera

895
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: will give up the early rounds, allow you to pour

896
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: out a little bit of that guest tanks show him

897
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 2: a lot. But once he makes that adjustment and dial

898
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: in on the area where he believes he can land

899
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: the fight, the fight changing strike, he starts to do that.

900
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: Usually these opponents slowing down a little bit and he

901
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: starts to walk in. Sanagan never allowed an opening or

902
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: opportunity for that, save for a couple punches in the

903
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 2: final minute there, and Luke, that took such variety of offense,

904
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: that took such great timing, that took the legitimate threat

905
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 2: and mixture of his of his takedown threat which turned

906
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: into instant ground and pound. By the way, I mean

907
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: this across the board, It's like Sanagan going back to

908
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: the lab and saying, I know where I'm at, but

909
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 2: I need to get up to here. How do I

910
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 2: do that? Let me make sure I am maxed out

911
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: in every single category and come in with a dynamic

912
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: movement strategy that never allows Cheetoh to do anything but

913
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: be a step behind and on the defensive. This is

914
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: that's a championship level performance right there out of Corey Sanhagen.

915
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: I love to see it, and I think Luke it it.

916
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: Look did you expect Jason Perel in the corner to

917
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 2: be like Cheetoh, like are you okay? Like what's wrong

918
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: with you? Look? He was. He was dominated. I don't

919
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: think I've seen that in that level since Jose Aldo

920
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: in the third round against Volkanovsky, where he was almost

921
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 2: resigned to the idea that I can't figure this guy out.

922
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's go to the scorecards.

923
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: It was like that, Luke, I'm so glad you brought

924
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: that up. Dude, in that last fight started to cut

925
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: you off. But if people forgetting that third round of

926
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: the Volkanovski fight, Aldo didn't exactly punt on the sense

927
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: of like I'm just gonna let this guy do whatever

928
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: he wants, but it looked to me like he had

929
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: punted on winning. Volkanovsky had him confused.

930
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: And and Cheetoh didn't put on winning here best his best,

931
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: by the way, offense was the final minute. But it's like,

932
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 2: where was that urgency earlier? I think san Jagan took

933
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: away that urgency completely, but you know, by look, once

934
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: he took him down and was that much of a

935
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: threat with elbows and punches on Cheetoh, I was like,

936
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: this could be a different fight. I mean, you love

937
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 2: to see it. You love when someone is challenged by

938
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: their own success or lack of it at times and

939
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: they rise to the occasion once again. Dude, Corey Sanagan

940
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: can beat anybody in this division, and he showed you

941
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 2: exactly why on this night. And what was the biggest

942
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 2: question you had for him, Luke? We needed to him

943
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: to be more of a striking threat right, that one

944
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: or two strikes could change the momentum. It was all there,

945
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: everything was there.

946
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree. So the question being was he

947
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: outworked or outclass The answer is clearly outclass. I mean

948
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: he was out work to BC. Let me read some

949
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: of these stats. They're kind of incredible. Now, he only

950
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: got three takedowns, but he attempted twelve, and we know

951
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: that the relationship between attempts and success is you know,

952
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: a lot of times you're just trying to get the

953
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: attempt to slow them down or wrap them up, especially

954
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: for a striking based fighter. But he got three takedowns.

955
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: Let's see, he got one in the first, one in

956
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 1: the second, and one in the fifth, which was important.

957
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that in a second. How about striking

958
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: TOTALSBC Corey Sanhagan attempting three hundred and seventy eight landing

959
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty seven, of which one hundred and

960
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: twenty eight were significant for Marlon Vera just fifty eight,

961
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: just fifty eight. Cory Sangegan in terms of significant strikes

962
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: all most almost not quite three to one on him.

963
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a hard guy to beat when he's

964
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: landing with that not not so much pain and punishment,

965
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: but with clear regularity. First round BC thirty two to

966
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: five on significant strikes eighteen to six, thirty two to twenty,

967
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: twenty four to thirteen, and twenty two to fourteen. There

968
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: wasn't a round where he wasn't landing on cheeto Vera

969
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: numerically anyway, a lot more also kind of interesting, BC,

970
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: Corey Sandhagen. Here's something to think about too. Corey Sanhagen

971
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: was going a lot more to the head sixty five percent,

972
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: and I wonder, like to what extent like that demonstratively

973
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: adds more than cheeto Vera only going forty eight percent

974
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: of the head. That's kind of interesting thing to think

975
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: about too. But either way, it didn't matter BC. I

976
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: love what you said. The lateral movement was on point. Dude,

977
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: cheeto Vera just couldn't find him. He couldn't find a

978
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: good opportunity to use the skills that he had to

979
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: make it work. And that was because of the movement.

980
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: It was because of the range that Corey Sandhagen was implementing.

981
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: And there's one more point before I pitch it back

982
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: to YOUBC, that I really want to make If you

983
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: go and look at early UFC or right at the

984
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: regional scene version of Corey Sanhagen. It looks a lot

985
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: like this version, but it was much more attacking, much

986
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: more attacking. He was almost like a pressure fighter at times,

987
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: still doing all the switching and everything else like that,

988
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: but much more attacking. And he realized that got him

989
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: into trouble. He put him in bad positions, he got

990
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: him hit more. Look how little he got relatively speaking

991
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: hit in this fight. He was the one on top.

992
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: He wasn't going underneath for low percentage scrambles. As you mentioned,

993
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: ground and pound right away off the takedown. Dude, he

994
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: learned that his style just had to be a little

995
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: bit more defensive in order for it to work against

996
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: the top guys. But the interesting part that you mentioned,

997
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: because I pitch it back to you here, is that

998
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: even through that defensiveness, he had much more offense than

999
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: Marlon Vera. So it's not true that by being defensively

1000
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: sound you become offensively limited. It is true that you

1001
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: become much more capable of having better rounds by virtue

1002
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: of not having to fight out of deficits or big shots.

1003
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean it was eye opening to

1004
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: that regard, and when I look at Cheeto Vera and

1005
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: I look at the type of success he normally has,

1006
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 2: it can be from countering patterns that he picks up on.

1007
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: Think about this, he didn't He wasn't even able to

1008
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: pull the trigger for the really the first four rounds

1009
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 2: because Sanagan was spamming, but doing it with such varied

1010
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: strikes that had the threat of damage on them. It

1011
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: wasn't just you know, weak pitter pattern. I mean he

1012
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 2: really was a master in the variety of his offense

1013
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: and the unpredictability of it, but keeping everything tight, keeping

1014
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: staying close to him in terms of the footwork. I

1015
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: mean it was masterful to the degree of literally shutting

1016
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: Vera down where he did not know what to do

1017
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: in return. It's not lost on me, Luke that when

1018
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: we are talking about the super elite in this division,

1019
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: that maybe Cheetoh was the most limited from being a

1020
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: completely well rounded fighter compared to everyone else. But obviously

1021
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 2: the threat of his violence raises him up there. So

1022
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: this would be the best type of performance to showcase this.

1023
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 2: But Sanhagan really needed, I think those recent losses to

1024
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: raise that game and have you know, have have such

1025
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 2: a reason to and that he was coming off already

1026
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: a good win against Song Ya Dong, but this this

1027
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: was way different against a much more dangerous foe, and

1028
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: it was thorough across the board. But think about that, Luke.

1029
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: They filled in the one area where Cheeto can be

1030
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 2: the most dangerous and never allowed him any any time

1031
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 2: to even set up or or wait and look to counter,

1032
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 2: because you can't counter what you what you're not, what

1033
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 2: you can't predict is coming. And uh, I mean you

1034
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: got to agree.

1035
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: Though.

1036
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: It also exposed the limitations of Cheeto to to a degree,

1037
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: but no one's been able to do that to him

1038
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: at that length.

1039
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: It's a great point too. But here's the other part

1040
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: that stands out to me. B See, like Cheeto's Cheeto

1041
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: does have the limits you mentioned, but his strengths, like

1042
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: the durability for example, like his durability is just it's

1043
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything quite like it. His durability is

1044
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: it's bj Penn like in his prime. And I know,

1045
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: you know, if you watch like the in stage bj Pen,

1046
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: you won't appreciate this. But there was a point where

1047
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: he had not only a rock chin, but it was

1048
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: actually hard to hurt him in terms of like scarring

1049
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: his tissue or you know, blowing up his eye like

1050
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: he just had absurd resistance. Cheeto Vera is that guy.

1051
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: So here's the point I want to make, Like Cheeto

1052
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: Vera is a hard guy to look good against, even

1053
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: when you win. Name someone who's just beaten Cheeto's ass, Like,

1054
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: like nobody does that his last two losses Jose although

1055
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: Marlon Vera technically outstruck him, at least numerically speaking, in

1056
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: that fight forty six to forty four, you know, Jose

1057
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: Alvin didn't whip up on him. How about the fight

1058
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: against Song Ge Dong. Song You Dong didn't whip up

1059
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: on him, and they had big strikes that they landed,

1060
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: But like they didn't destroy Cheeto Vera, they didn't just

1061
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, demolish and walk over. He's a hard guy

1062
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: to look good against. So for a guy like Cory

1063
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: Sanhagen to have the numerical split that he had on

1064
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: top of the well placed takedowns on well on top

1065
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: on top of the not making a lot of the

1066
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 1: same errors that had got him into trouble last time

1067
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: or in previous you know, instances against top contenders, he

1068
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: just you know, you can't look a whole lot better

1069
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: against Vera without either a getting much higher risk of

1070
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: getting knocked out yourself or be getting banged around as well.

1071
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: He's just really hard to look good against.

1072
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you think that was part of the strategy

1073
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: to there wasn't a ton of calf kicking involved in there.

1074
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 2: It was pretty much headhunting. But it completely neutralized Vera.

1075
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 2: That seemed premeditated.

1076
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: Luke it did it? Did? I think? Listen, look at

1077
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: who's in his corner. Christian Allen is one of his coaches.

1078
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: There's another guy I don't know. But then the other

1079
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: guy is Ryan Hall. I mean, you know Corey. The

1080
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: fact that Corey again, I've known Ryan Hall for a

1081
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: long time, the fact that Corey and Ryan Hall got

1082
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: together is like the most obvious thing that I could

1083
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: have ever imagined. Like not obvious in the sense that

1084
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: one guy's in Colorado and one guys in Falls Church, Virginia,

1085
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: but that these two guys, when I talk to them,

1086
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: they you can tell they think about martial arts the

1087
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: same way, the same kinds of problem solving skills, and

1088
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: how they like to approach things. You could tell these

1089
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: guys were kindred spirits. The fact that they're working together,

1090
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: and you know, Christian Allen is a similar thing on

1091
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: the striking side, it just makes all the sense in

1092
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: the world. They're using his already considerable abilities now some

1093
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: of the tough experience he's had, along with just some

1094
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: of the best brain power in the game to really

1095
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: power this dude to new levels and it is working.

1096
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: Is now the time where we talk about that one judge,

1097
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: you only had two fights on his IMDBMMA judging profile

1098
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: coming in scored this three to two for Cheetoh, Louke,

1099
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 2: could you try to explain that please.

1100
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: We will get to that in point number five, and

1101
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna get plenty of time for it. But just

1102
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: on this one, we want to talk about Corey Sanhagen

1103
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: BC though real quickly on Chitto Vera. Listen, he came

1104
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: up short. He didn't get his ass whipped in the

1105
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: sense of, like, you know, thoroughly beaten up. No one

1106
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: really does that to Cheeto. It's a good learning experience.

1107
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: He's still relatively young. I believe I'll look up his

1108
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: age here in just a second. Stock is down, but

1109
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: not terribly so in my mind.

1110
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 2: No, I mean, he does open up the opportunity to

1111
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: come back with a big win and then you can

1112
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: say exactly what you just did. Okay, lost to san

1113
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: Haagen kind of got handled, but learning opportunity and he

1114
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 2: didn't take the damage. But let's be clear, though, Luke,

1115
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 2: it was exposing. It was it showed legitimate limitations on

1116
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: the highest level. Now you're gonna need somebody with that

1117
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: body size and the masterful combinations together of what that

1118
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 2: full performance was from Sanagan. You can't get that from everybody.

1119
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 2: But just as Sanhagan used the recent defeats to try

1120
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: to figure out what was lacking in his game, Luke,

1121
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: there wasn't even you know, remotely a takedown threat from Cheetoh.

1122
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 2: And you know he had long stretches on his back

1123
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 2: dealing with a lot of different submission threats and elbows

1124
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: and stuff that. I mean, there's a lot that they

1125
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: should address in between fights. Maybe it's as easy as

1126
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: he got flustered, it messed with his ability to attack

1127
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: and he started too late. If you could just flip

1128
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 2: a switch and come back and start again, and that's fine, okay, Luke,

1129
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 2: but you know, is there time to work on some

1130
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: of these deficiencies in your eyes when you're particularly talking

1131
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: about the ground game.

1132
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there are. I mean I didn't think nothing.

1133
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: Think of what Cheeto did look bad. He just didn't

1134
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: have an answer for Corey's movement. That. I think that's

1135
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: something to work on. His takedown defense got better over time,

1136
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: and his get ups were good, but that can also

1137
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: be improved. Weaponizing the clinch, he didn't get a whole

1138
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: lot going in the clinch this time, which I thought

1139
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: was kind of surprising. There's a lot of things he

1140
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: could work on. You're asking does he have the time

1141
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: and the ability? I think he does. I think he

1142
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: is what thirty years old? Thirty one maybe at most

1143
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: something like that, so he's still got a little bit

1144
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: of time, although you know, obviously at one thirty five

1145
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: time is not always an allies thirty. Yeah, so at

1146
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: thirty years old, b see, it's a little too early

1147
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: to be like, well, you know, this guy is not

1148
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: going to make it. Cheeto has been, if anything, a

1149
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: defire of the odds. This was a setback, fair, but

1150
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: I would be two years, Like, do I think a

1151
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: two year improved version of Cheeto could make this kind

1152
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: of fight a very different one? I do?

1153
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But this was the time, Luke. I mean,

1154
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: I was talking about putting him in again, so O'Malley

1155
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: in a rematch for the interim title.

1156
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: Well that was premature.

1157
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 2: I mean, still, you know, one big, one big win

1158
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: away from being right back in there. But if you're

1159
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: a big Cheeto backer, you have to be disappointed that

1160
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 2: it took that long to trigger urgency in him. I'm

1161
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 2: not counting it against him. How san Haagan was ultimately

1162
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: able to neutralize him and the idea of a fifty

1163
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 2: to fifty fight, But I needed more urgency out of

1164
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 2: Cheetoh earlier in.

1165
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: The fact that I'm okay, okay, But I'm not going

1166
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: to say that. I'm not going to say that sprinting

1167
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: and putting more effort in the last minute and he

1168
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: getting more shots landed is evidence of nothing. That's not

1169
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But it's a lot easier to sprint

1170
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: the last minute of our especially the last minute of

1171
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: the last round of a fight, than it is for

1172
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: the let's say, seventeenth minute of the fight, when you

1173
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: might have a lot left and you don't know what

1174
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: this sprint is going to get you. I mean, that's

1175
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: why guys don't do it as much. Right, they don't

1176
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: sprint because it's risky. If you get hit, you don't

1177
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: want someone to follow up on you. And two, what

1178
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: if I blow out all this energy and now I

1179
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: have to fight for two and a half more minutes

1180
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: and it doesn't do any thing. So I'm not here

1181
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: to say that like he couldn't have shown more urgency

1182
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: to the point of your criticism, BC, but it is

1183
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: a little bit unfair to look at the last minute

1184
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: of the last round to be like, oh, why didn't

1185
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: you do that earlier? Because that moment in time to

1186
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: do that carries significantly more rewards and fewer risk than

1187
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: at other points in the fight.

1188
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not doing it just based on the success

1189
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 2: of the last minute. I'm doing it based on the

1190
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 2: idea that that was the only success he had in

1191
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: the fight. So would you hit us? You know, I

1192
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: get it. I know his game is to land something

1193
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: monster of significance and take advantage of it. So in theory,

1194
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: that could have come at any point spread out over

1195
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 2: a twenty five minute fight, and yes, against the pace

1196
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: Corey Sanagan was setting. You're right, You've got to check that,

1197
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: guess think, but it's definitely the time where he's got

1198
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: to be kicking himself going. If I could have inserted

1199
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: more urgency in the third round to start, could it

1200
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: have been a different fight.

1201
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: Sure? I got asked meself that sure, Sure, I think

1202
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: that's fair. I don't think that's crazy. I mean, I

1203
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: just think if you're Cheeto, one of the lessons that

1204
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: you might take from this and looking at as not

1205
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: just sort of address in the movement as we talked

1206
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: about earlier. But we had complimented cheetoh right, we had

1207
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: called him the king of the five rounders. And I

1208
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: still think it's a compliment. Like, you know, you're trapped

1209
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: a lot of times you're trapped in there with him.

1210
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: He ain't trapped in there with you, but this time

1211
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: he was. He was trapped in there with Corey because

1212
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: he just couldn't find that. Most guys simply don't have

1213
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: that kind of movement. Still, though, if you're Cheeto, there's

1214
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with being a slow starter and a strong finisher.

1215
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: A lot of times it's going to do good. Right,

1216
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: we've seen it, but it's not enough. You have to

1217
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: be able to play the levels when the levels call

1218
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: for it, When when the levels say, hey, we need

1219
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: you to be able to go full five and we'll

1220
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: pick it up late. Cheeto's got you. But there also

1221
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: has to be a time when he can initiate and

1222
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: create offense of a much more substantive variety, much earlier

1223
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: in a contest. Of course, this is very easier said

1224
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: than done. It requires, you know, a coach's eye and

1225
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: retooling the strategy and the tactical choices that they make

1226
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: up until that point. But if you're just one of

1227
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: these guys who's going to wait around till elite fighters

1228
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: get tired, that's going to be great. I mean, you

1229
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: can do good things with it, but I don't know

1230
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: if you're going to be a champion with it. That's

1231
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: the problem. And look, just short of championship.

1232
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: Level, we all have different standards. But the type of

1233
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 2: talent I come from, if you have tattoos that aggressive

1234
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: on the back of your skull, go for it. You're

1235
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: kind of expected to go for it. Luke. Okay, that's

1236
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 2: that's you know, that's just the deal.

1237
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: Right, They are aggressive, They are aggressive, all right, be se.

1238
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: Let's stay with the UFC card here. Let's talk about

1239
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: Holly Holm in that codeine. Holly Holm gets back to

1240
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: her winning ways. What is she forty one or something

1241
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: like that, some absurd age and basically just totally running

1242
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: over Janna Santos BC. Is there any other move for

1243
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 1: Holly Holm at this point other than a title shot, Well.

1244
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 2: If they can get me, excuse me, not Macy, If

1245
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 2: they can get Misha Tate another win in this division,

1246
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 2: which I'm sure she's trying to do that. Is there

1247
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 2: an attraction level to a rematch between the two former

1248
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 2: champions that could be a nice bridge toward coming back

1249
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: to the top of the title, maybe just for commercial reasons,

1250
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 2: but to your larger point, Luke, this division is it's

1251
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 2: very shallow, and she's been the consistency and when other

1252
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 2: hopeful contenders try to come up for air, she puts

1253
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 2: them down, Luke. And this was a situation where, you know,

1254
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 2: I give you on a lot of credit for coming

1255
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 2: back so soon from giving birth, and she was in

1256
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 2: great shape and she was ready, but she was sort

1257
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: of a poor man's version across the board, a poor

1258
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 2: woman's version of what Holly was in every category. It's

1259
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: such a narrow, such a shallow division, Luke, that it

1260
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: shouldn't be much more than this to be fair, I

1261
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 2: know she just lost a split decision of Kaitlyn Vieire,

1262
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: but like, if they needed to go in that direction

1263
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: of a rematch, it the terms and the situations, would

1264
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: you argue, Luke, are different than when Amanda fought Holly

1265
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: the first time, because Amanda was like on top of

1266
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 2: on top of the world, and the fact that Newness

1267
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: was able to look at her opponent, know that Holme

1268
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: is a threat with high kicks and then say to herself,

1269
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 2: I want to finish Holly with that exact threat, and

1270
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: then goes out there and does it. I mean that

1271
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: that was a humbling knockout, but I feel like some

1272
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: of that has changed because Holly never really went away.

1273
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: Amanda come down to some level of earth, although regaining

1274
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: her title against Juliana was obviously shows what's still in there.

1275
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: I'm kind of into the idea of a rematch. Potentially,

1276
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: am I alone in that, Luke, I'm into it. I mean,

1277
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 2: you don't have many other options.

1278
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. I'm into the idea of a

1279
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: rematch only because they don't have a better idea. If

1280
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: you're the champion, as we've talked about on this show,

1281
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: you have a responsibility to defend it against the top contender.

1282
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: And Okay, maybe Holly is or isn't that name, but

1283
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: she's at least in that conversation at this point, and

1284
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: by virtue of her status as well as her ranking,

1285
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: I have status is sort of a little bit different.

1286
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: I just don't know what the better fight would be.

1287
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could do a third fight

1288
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: with Penia, but I'm not sure what the point If.

1289
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 2: You're al Donna would be the best fight, right.

1290
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: Al Donna would be the better one. I don't know

1291
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: if they're going to go that direction or not. I

1292
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: thought they were for a while, and now I'm not

1293
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: so sure what the situation is with that. But no,

1294
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: I think she has the fight coming up later. Right, Well, don't.

1295
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: Tell you Paenia's ranked number one, because that's UFC rule.

1296
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: You just lost the title of your ranked number one.

1297
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 2: Pennington's rank two, which is interesting than Home three, Vieda

1298
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 2: who beat Home fourth, al Donna five, So everyone else

1299
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: seems to be a legitimate step behind for the downe

1300
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 2: the ranking. So if that's our five person pool atop

1301
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: of the title picture, Luke, how do you map out

1302
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 2: that future?

1303
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know he would do that. Yeah,

1304
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't This is the part of

1305
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: the matchmaking conversation that kind of I'm not really all

1306
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: that great at I mean, I don't know how you

1307
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: want to do that part. They were initially supposed to

1308
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: fight by the way al Donna and Nunez, and then

1309
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: I guess they canceled it, So I'm not sure where

1310
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: the situation is going to be at that point. On

1311
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: that side of things, all I'm saying is this, PC,

1312
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: here's my only real point. My point about Holly is

1313
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,959
Speaker 1: if you wanted to say that there's a better fight

1314
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: to make at the top of one p. Thirty five

1315
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: because Holly hasn't done enough as a contender purely as

1316
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: a contender, I wouldn't get in the way. But short

1317
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: of that, I don't know what the better option is.

1318
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: And more to the point, BC, it is amazing what

1319
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: Holly Holm is doing, which is not so much electrifying

1320
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: everyone with her fighting style at this point, but to

1321
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: be what it's her age, BC, if you can tell me,

1322
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: I think it's forty or forty two, forty one, just

1323
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: forty one years of age. So remember that stat I

1324
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 1: shared last week, and I think this was the men's

1325
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: division of not just the women's. Excuse me, I think

1326
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: it was just the men's, not including the women's, where

1327
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: every division one eighty five and up should be one

1328
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: seventy and up. I'm sorry, I think that's right. One

1329
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: seven No, sorry, five and up. Sorry, it is one

1330
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: seventy from one seventy on up?

1331
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: Look are you seizuring out here? What's going on?

1332
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm almost I'm almost seizuring out. I just tried to

1333
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 1: get the math right, and I want to get it wrong.

1334
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: Here's what it is. From men's one twenty five two

1335
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: men's one seventy, so everything from flyweight, including welterweight, not

1336
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: including one eighty five in that bracket. We know that

1337
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: the title picture win for athletes above thirty thirty five

1338
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: and above, I believe is two and twenty eight, and

1339
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: those only two wins are from Tyrone Woodley. That's it.

1340
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: Everyone else loses. Now the women obviously it's a bit

1341
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: of a different ballpark. But I'm just simply saying, to

1342
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: see what she's doing at forty one years of age,

1343
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: you'll count on your hand a number of times you'll

1344
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: see fighters remain this relevant this late. We've seen him

1345
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: with Lover to share it, we've seen her with Randy Gutore,

1346
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: and of course we're speaking about non heavyweight MMABC, but

1347
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: for non heavyweight MMA to do this, it's remarkable. And

1348
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: I also want to point out something else we see.

1349
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: Like we already said, she's in the International Boxing Hall

1350
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: of Fame and still competing as an active MMA fighter.

1351
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: She didn't really win this one striking. She won this

1352
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: one on the ground. She won this one with takedowns,

1353
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: passing some ground and pound. And you can make criticisms

1354
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: of how like rough it looked or whatever, it's still

1355
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: good enough to beat top contenders in her division to

1356
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: put herself in this kind of position. So BC, while

1357
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: it is amazing that she is outperforming these people at

1358
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: age forty one, you do have to ask how much

1359
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: longer in the forties that can go, because when that goes,

1360
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: it's probably going to go pretty quickly. Listen, she's already

1361
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: up there. Fans seem to like her for the most part.

1362
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean, her stock has slipped certainly to a degree.

1363
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what the better call is then, whoever

1364
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna put the title fight.

1365
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 2: I figured it out, Luke, I've done the research. Okay,

1366
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 2: here's how the future should be. You should do a

1367
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: man in Newness against irein A al Donna, and I

1368
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: think you should do it in Mexico, by the way,

1369
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 2: as part of a large blowout card there. So that

1370
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: makes sense. So so if that happened, Lucer, if that

1371
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 2: was in place to happen, even though Pennington is ranked

1372
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: above Home Home beat her twice already. I know that

1373
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: Vienna is ranked behind Home even though Katlan recently beat Holly,

1374
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 2: but KTLN just lost by split decision to Pennington, so

1375
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 2: that weird triangle of MMA math kind of just deletes

1376
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 2: both of them. So Luke, you go number one versus

1377
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 2: three next, Juliana Pena versus Holly Holm. It's a fun

1378
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 2: little commercial matchup. It's an interesting one for for Okay,

1379
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 2: if either of you want to get back into the title,

1380
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 2: you got to beat one another. That seems to make

1381
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: the most sense here, Luke, as a final four. But

1382
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 2: if al Donna or or Nunis, if they can't make

1383
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 2: that fight as what you're injured or they, I think

1384
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: they're kind of waiting on the whole decision of when

1385
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 2: they're going to do Mexico. Look, that's what I'm thinking.

1386
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they didn't, Danna say at the presser, because

1387
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: I know you were traveling all day yesterday. Dana said

1388
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: at the presser on Saturday night that, uh, they're not

1389
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: going to Mexico anytime soon.

1390
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay. If that's the case, then I still

1391
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 2: think these two matchups make the most sense. Are you

1392
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: against this final four?

1393
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 1: This is the other part about Mexican five fans, which

1394
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: you know, like you can just put the fight in Texas,

1395
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: They'll show up. You know what I'm saying, like, yeah, yeah, no,

1396
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: that's not they travel I mean.

1397
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: This is but these are these are a fun This

1398
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 2: is a fun final four bracket. We don't say that

1399
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: all from this division.

1400
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mind that one. I don't mind Payana

1401
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: versus Holly. It's got some that's got something to it. Obviously,

1402
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: both of them have history with a champion in different ways,

1403
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: but they do have history. And if Aldonna wins, it

1404
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: creates some you know, reasonably certainly as a title picture,

1405
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: some reasonably interesting uh fresh matchups along the way or

1406
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: some different ones and.

1407
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 2: Real question though. To close this conversation, do you believe

1408
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 2: Holly Holme if she can work her way back into

1409
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 2: a New Nest rematch, do you actually believe she could win?

1410
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: You mean more than like a puncher's chance.

1411
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,439
Speaker 2: More than a really bad cut or or yeah, yeah,

1412
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 2: more than something wild and ridiculous.

1413
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: Probably not, Probably not. But I do think that there

1414
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: is other part about Amanda aging that makes it a

1415
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: little hard to be like, oh, what if Amanda has

1416
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: a great cut? Right? What if she does? And it's

1417
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: just she's old now, you know. So there's that. So

1418
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: I would say I would definitely favor Amanda if that's

1419
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: what you're asking. But can she win? Unlikely? Possible, but

1420
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: unlikely unlikely? All right, we see, So now let's get

1421
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: to the part oh one more, one more before we

1422
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: get to topic number five. One more. Anyone else at

1423
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: this event took a step up or a step down

1424
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: for you? Anyone else from UFC san Antonio move around

1425
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: for you?

1426
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: Well, in terms of the streak, this is the type

1427
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 2: of win Macy Barber needed, fifth in a row. This

1428
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: is her weight class. All good. The division's fun is

1429
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,919
Speaker 2: crap at the top. Suddenly there's big fights to make.

1430
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 2: But I don't think she won this fight, and to

1431
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 2: be fair, Luke, I didn't think she beat Miranda Maverick either,

1432
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: So she's gonna advance big on the idea of another

1433
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 2: quality name and it is here against uh, what's the

1434
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 2: Lee's first name? Luca's Andrea Andrew? Yeah, I get confused

1435
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:20,959
Speaker 2: because of Angela Lee from one championship. Okay, but Luke,

1436
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 2: is there some level of like a cloud over this?

1437
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 2: I don't think she won this fight, like what happened here.

1438
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: I watched this fight this morning, and I did not

1439
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: think that it's tough. Dude, it's tough. You can make

1440
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: a case for Lee. It's it's not crazy to have

1441
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: a case for Lee. Here is my issue with the

1442
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: grappling on this one. The grappling rules less so than

1443
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: the judge, because the judge there was some just the

1444
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: problem what like the problem was? Is there a scorecard

1445
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: for Lee? Yes? Is there a scorecard for Barber? I

1446
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,439
Speaker 1: do believe you could make that argument, yes, but it's

1447
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: some of the scorecards that we got or were like

1448
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: thirty twenty seven? What the fuck is that? Yeah? Yeah,

1449
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: I know, I know. So here's my point though, putting

1450
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: that aside, this is my issue with grappling in the

1451
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: rules BC, the people I think misunderstand this part. The

1452
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: way the rules work, as best I understand them, is

1453
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: that if I take you down BC and I have

1454
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: a dominant position, but it's really just control. And let's

1455
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: say I'm not I never get close to a sub.

1456
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: I'll get two minutes of riding time, but I never

1457
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: get close to a sub and you know, maybe I

1458
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: pass a little bit, but there was just no real

1459
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: clear ground to pound and you were, you know, winning

1460
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: on the feet beforehand? Is what is the value of

1461
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: that grappling supposed to be? And I think that's a

1462
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: fair question. But here's the problem for me. In the

1463
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: first round, the striking was relatively even ish, and then

1464
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: there is a takedown and top control or at least

1465
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: a version of dominant control is established. Here is my

1466
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: personal belief on things. Yes, it is true that if

1467
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: you take someone down and there's no sub attempt and

1468
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: there's no no significant ground of pound, there's a question

1469
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: of the value of what that ground and pound or

1470
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: the takedown gives you. But in my mind, if I

1471
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: take an opponent down and I hold them down, even

1472
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: if I don't get significant ground and pound and even

1473
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: if I don't get we're close to a sub attempt.

1474
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: If the only thing you show me underneath is defense

1475
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: and then scrambling and it takes you a while to

1476
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: get there, I kind of consider that to be a

1477
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 1: bit of a tiebreaker personally. Personally, my view is, let

1478
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: me finish if I force you. Okay, you agree, If

1479
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: I force you to the ground and I force you

1480
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: to stay there for a prolonged period, and your response

1481
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: to me forcing you is not offense really from your back,

1482
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: just survive, defend, and escape, and I do it for

1483
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: long enough, and we're having trouble adjudicating the rest of

1484
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: that round. I think the tie should go to the

1485
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: run or the person who initiated the takedown and who

1486
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: established lengthy top control to the person who's merely acting

1487
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: defensively on top on bottom.

1488
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 2: Excuse me, I fully agree, obviously, only if the striking

1489
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 2: wasn't dominant in one direction. Then as a tiebreaker, yes,

1490
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 2: And by the way, I think the letter of the

1491
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 2: law already indicates that. Again. I know, Big John McCarthy

1492
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 2: said the word was supposed to be damaged, but the

1493
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 2: entire group didn't want that word in there, and they

1494
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 2: ended up changing it. The letter of the law is

1495
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 2: the word impact, not damage, and what the letter of

1496
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 2: the law and the ABC rulings in breaking down says

1497
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 2: that if striking is close enough and you need to

1498
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 2: go to the tiebreaker, that doing that employing a strategy

1499
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 2: that greatly impacts your opponent by tiring them out, by

1500
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 2: frustrating them, by forcing them off of their game. If

1501
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 2: somebody's a striker and you're controlling them on the ground

1502
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 2: for four minutes, okay, you didn't land big ground in pound,

1503
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 2: but if nothing else happened in that round, that has

1504
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 2: to be the tiber. You can't just wipe it out.

1505
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 2: I think the rules interpret it that way, Luke, where

1506
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,719
Speaker 2: you can't wipe it out. And I think in general,

1507
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 2: a crust the board. No one really knows what we're

1508
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: talking about, because these rules can be interpreted so greatly

1509
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 2: in either direction that that may ultimately be the problem.

1510
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, but to me, like, yes, that's how

1511
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 2: you win close fights when there isn't you know, enough

1512
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: damage on the feet or dominance on the feet with

1513
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 2: striking to warrant that being the chief you know, the

1514
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 2: chief element that you're grading upon. I mean, like, but

1515
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 2: I feel like Luke, from broadcaster to fighter to judge,

1516
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 2: everybody's got a different interpretation right now.

1517
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what interpretation the judging the judges

1518
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: were using here. It's just my personal view that that's

1519
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: how that should have looked.

1520
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 2: But okay, can I ask you a critical question here, Luke,

1521
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 2: because Macy Barber does survive in advance, but I want

1522
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 2: to ask you this. Do you think she's showing us

1523
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 2: at this point that she's still a step down from

1524
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,480
Speaker 2: that core group right now below the title of Tyler, Santos,

1525
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 2: Aaron Blanchefield, Mina Ferrol and now Valentina, who are all

1526
01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 2: looking up at Grosso. Do you think Barber still a

1527
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 2: legit step down from that group?

1528
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, she's obviously very talented, very young, twenty four,

1529
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 1: twenty fourth than she is. Yeah, she has plenty of time.

1530
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: But was this the kind of performance that told me

1531
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: she was ready to contend with the Aaron Blanchefields of

1532
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: the world potentially because she's moved around a lot, but

1533
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: the Esca On Drodges potentially of this world. No, I

1534
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: didn't see that. I didn't see that at all. So

1535
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: Goodwin in the sense that it was a tough opponent

1536
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: and she felt well, but it was a close one

1537
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 1: and not the kind of one that tells me that

1538
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: there's enough weapons being sharpened for the upper tier. But

1539
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 1: on the other side of BC, she's twenty four. Give

1540
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: it time.

1541
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 2: So do you need her to get a Caitlin Chukegian

1542
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 2: level opponent here to find out exactly where she's.

1543
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 1: At something like that. Yes, something like that. And also

1544
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: just more time. She just needs more time for me. BCEE.

1545
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm gona quickly give a shout out to Daniel Pineda.

1546
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: Daniel Pineda has been around forever. His record's twenty eight

1547
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,719
Speaker 1: and fourteen. I mean, you know, not the cleanest record,

1548
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 1: but dude's good. He actually submits to do that at

1549
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 1: Baltimore named Tucker Lutz. I like Tucker LUTs a lot.

1550
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: He get submitted here from a guillotine choke who was

1551
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: a great setup. He was pushing Tucker LUTs into the

1552
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: fence and then he forces him to come forward, wraps

1553
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: ahead and sits and he gets it. It was super clean

1554
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: on the finish too. The guillotine looked excellent. Daniel Pane

1555
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:13,600
Speaker 1: is one of these guys who has been around a

1556
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: really really long time. He's never gonna be a UFC champion,

1557
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: never really gonna get close. But I'll give you a

1558
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: good fights. He fights like a dog half the time,

1559
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: actually more than that personally all the time really, and

1560
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: I just love these guys who, you know, not gonna

1561
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame. But this was the

1562
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: last fight on his UFC deal he took. He did

1563
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: the Brian Barberina thing like either the uf He's gonna

1564
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 1: give me a new deal, I'm just gonna call it

1565
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: a day. I love it when guys are in that

1566
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: position because they don't really they're not doing it for

1567
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: anything but themselves. Really at that point, you know, because

1568
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 1: they might have some future already kind of secured or

1569
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: a path they're going to walk down, they just kind

1570
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: of want to see what's left of themselves as fighters.

1571
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: I like Pineda doing what he's doing. I liked his

1572
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: big win. Good for him.

1573
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got some things left in the basement, Luke

1574
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 2: that they want to you know, they want to pour out.

1575
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 2: I can respect that.

1576
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 1: All right, PC last, but not Lee. Let's get to

1577
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: topic number five. Let's talk about combat sports regulation in

1578
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:07,679
Speaker 1: the state of Texas. So on the night before the UFC,

1579
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 1: at the f'r AFC I think seventy six card there

1580
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: was a referee by the name of Frank Calaso who

1581
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 1: did not intervene when a fighter goes to sleep in

1582
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: a triangle so that the other fighter then has to

1583
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: transition to an arm bar, which then the fighter who

1584
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 1: was in the triangle and now in the arm bar

1585
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: wakes up in the middle of it. But by that

1586
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 1: point he then taps in. The referee intervenes. He tore

1587
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 1: a ligament and I think some other stuff in his elbow.

1588
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: He probably has to get surgery. He got nearly maimed.

1589
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: As a consequence, Texas put that guy to judge a

1590
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 1: UFC fight, actually two UFC fights, I believe, the very

1591
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: next night. So that's one problem that they had, or

1592
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: two problems actually that they had. Then on top of it,

1593
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 1: they had these insane scorecards, at least very very difficult

1594
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: to understand four cards of thirty twenty seven or as

1595
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 1: you mentioned, in the case of Chito Vera winning three

1596
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: of the rounds, you could be hard to imagine it

1597
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 1: winning maybe one you could give cheetoh, that's really about it.

1598
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 2: Maybe the first round because he cut san Hagan with

1599
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 2: that obow the bottom.

1600
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe even then you're like, you're reaching at

1601
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: that point, right, You're really reaching. We talked about the

1602
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,759
Speaker 1: stat line previously. BC. Go back to the John Jones

1603
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 1: Dominic Reyes fight. Dominic Rayes to me, clearly won that fight,

1604
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 1: but didn't in the judge's eyes because Texas at that

1605
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: time was using a scoring criteria where just walking into

1606
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 1: a guy still counted more than backing up. BC. I

1607
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: know the answer to this question is no, but I

1608
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 1: want to ask it rhetorically anyway. Just have some fun

1609
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: with it, which is is it time for promoters to

1610
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: skip the state of Texas because I'm telling you, folks,

1611
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: you are taking your health into your own hands with

1612
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: that commission.

1613
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 2: Well, I hate laughing, and I laughed like three times

1614
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 2: during this conversation. Why because I'm a boxing fan. Boxing

1615
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 2: fans are all laughing right now because all I have

1616
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 2: to say are names like Gail van Hoy, the late

1617
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 2: longtime Texas judge or current Texas referee Lawrence Cole. And

1618
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 2: boxing fans know what we're talking about here, Texas Forever Street. Yeah, Luke,

1619
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 2: it's a freaking wild West in the already wild West

1620
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 2: World of United States combat commissions in jurisdictions. But you

1621
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 2: know why is Texas on that Dana White shortlist? Luke

1622
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 2: of Florida and Abu Dhabi and Taichi Palace, which you

1623
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 2: know is still owed a pretty big favor where I

1624
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 2: come from, Luke, you know what I mean. I mean,

1625
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 2: you know they were they were Ride or Die on

1626
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 2: a Chewbacca level. You gotta you gotta throw it up

1627
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 2: for Tachi Palace for sure, Luke. But uh, I mean

1628
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 2: I think, look, you're always gonna have the chance of

1629
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 2: big fights in Texas because of the tax laws, which

1630
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 2: is why you know, so many big time boxers by

1631
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 2: the second half of their career, when they're making real

1632
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 2: money no longer want to fight in New York's Madison

1633
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 2: Square Garden because the Vegas and Texas tax cuts in

1634
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 2: that regard are just you know, epic. But I mean, look,

1635
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 2: it's not just Texas though, I mean, how many how

1636
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 2: many jurisdictions do you actually think in this country are

1637
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 2: like legit and regularly active at the highest level, like

1638
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 2: you know, California, Texas, New York, you know a couple others,

1639
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 2: But you go anywhere else outside of that and you get,

1640
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 2: you get a lot of Texas practice, Luke. I mean

1641
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, what else you wanted me to say, Luke?

1642
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 2: Pick a part year's worth of questionable notions. Yet everyone

1643
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 2: keeps going back to Texas. Okay, they got a really

1644
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 2: large dome there now too, that attracts really big fights.

1645
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 2: The whole system has always felt wonky to me.

1646
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 1: Well, how about I don't know if he pronounces it

1647
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: Joel or Hoel, but his last name is Ojeda. He,

1648
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: according to MMA Decisions, only has two fights he's ever

1649
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: refed that they have a record of. They both came

1650
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:29,799
Speaker 1: from Saturday UFC a ESPN forty three, and he had

1651
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: a forty eight forty seven scorecard for Marlon Vera. So

1652
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 1: it's not merely that they enable referees to do horrible

1653
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: shit and there's no consequence for it. They then also

1654
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 1: pair inexperienced judges with other inexperienced judges or put inexperienced

1655
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,560
Speaker 1: judges in important fights. Let me explain something to you.

1656
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 1: If you don't have a record on MMA Decisions, I

1657
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: don't want to see you referring, excuse me, reffing or

1658
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 1: judging a title fight ever five main event I mean

1659
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: a main event just the same, like we're between top contenders.

1660
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: It's malpractice. It's malpractice. And here's the part that gets me, BBC.

1661
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 1: I know what you're gonna say, which is like, what

1662
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: are we gonna do? Like we can't control these decisions?

1663
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: And certainly not, they're not up to us. And there

1664
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: are the things you're being up about. Uh, there's not

1665
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: many states that promoters go to. And then the tax situation, they're.

1666
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,799
Speaker 2: Known as a lenient state. Why does Dana White embrace

1667
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 2: them so like they're known as a lenient state?

1668
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, But the other part is this, It's like

1669
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: and certainly Dana has backed up off of this in

1670
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, I recognize, but he used to go to

1671
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 1: war over like with the commission over Mazagati or this

1672
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 1: ref or that ref. You know, they used to really

1673
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: kind of put their foot down. And then he's asked

1674
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: about some of this stuff in the postfight press conference

1675
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: and he really just didn't have a whole lot negative

1676
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: to say about it. And it's like, I don't quite

1677
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 1: understand this. You've got the sign in the Tough Gym

1678
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: and the old tough Gym that says never leaven in

1679
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,520
Speaker 1: the hands of the judges because you know, yes, Texas notwithstanding,

1680
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: you don't want to put yourself in that kind of position.

1681
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 1: But it's sort of being keenly aware of how unfair

1682
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: the commission process and oversight can be, and yet not

1683
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 1: having anything negative to say about it when it's in

1684
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 1: this case the right people, I think argue about Barber,

1685
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: but certainly Cory Sanahagen still won. So it's not like

1686
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: some cataclysmic event. But if it was, would he really

1687
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: go to bat for it? Then? I don't know. I

1688
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: just I'm honestly a little bit surprised that he went

1689
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: as hard as he did about the Nevada commission when

1690
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: he did, and now it's like, yeah, this, you know,

1691
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 1: he's what do you want me to do?

1692
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm sorry to tell you. I'm sorry to

1693
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 2: tell you this. You might be new to this, this

1694
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 2: idea of thinking, but Dana's checked out now on most

1695
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 2: things that don't involve slapping. Did you see his response

1696
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 2: to USADA. He's like, glad, that's not my job anymore.

1697
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,839
Speaker 2: Talk to Novitzky, Yeah, Luke, you think he cares about anything?

1698
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 1: Well, well, then what is this argument? Like he couldn't

1699
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 1: be punished for a day for you know, changing exchange

1700
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: blows with his wife because he's so scary important to

1701
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: the business that one hour without him on slack, the

1702
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: whole thing collapses. It's like, well, which is it? Man?

1703
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:53,759
Speaker 1: I don't quite get it here.

1704
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 2: I get it, I understand it just right. Luke, Okay,

1705
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 2: somebody grabbed me a nelt boy Seltzer al right here.

1706
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 1: All right, Well that's it for that one, THENBC. That's

1707
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 1: it for us on the top five time four. When

1708
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: the dogs get to ask us questions, we put social

1709
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: posts up on every Sunday. Y'all fill him up. It's

1710
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,679
Speaker 1: time for DMS with the Dignity Dogs PC.

1711
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 2: Yeah he haaw he hal already that he haaw. We've

1712
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 2: got some mail.

1713
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I don't agree with this at all. From

1714
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: at the real K Carter Caleb Plant has entered post

1715
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: and oh oh, actually I might agree with this. Caleb

1716
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 1: Plant has entered post Anderson Silva Rich Franklin territory. So

1717
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 1: what that means is, obviously he lost his belt initially

1718
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 1: to Anderson Silva. He got a rematch, I think two

1719
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: or three fights later, and then he was kind of

1720
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: stuck and he went to A five for times, got

1721
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 1: some good wins, went to one aighty five, got some

1722
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 1: good wins, but was never really able to win a

1723
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 1: title again or be like the guy in that division BC.

1724
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 1: Do you see something similar for Kayleb Plant. I'm not

1725
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 1: so sure.

1726
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 2: With four belts, I know the division is deep enough

1727
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 2: at the moment. You're right, it's hard to keep four

1728
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 2: belts together. It really is the mandatory's lineup and all

1729
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 2: of that, and inevitably, you know, you get stripped. I

1730
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 2: think I even saw Dan Rayfield Wright in regards to

1731
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 2: the Fury Usic negotiation talks, that somebody would have gotten

1732
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 2: stripped for a belt to be able to make that

1733
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 2: fight happen. Anyway, that's just how it works. But I

1734
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 2: think Caleb Plant is we know how hungry he is.

1735
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it meant so much to him to

1736
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 2: earn that respect to Benavitez and go the distance he did.

1737
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 2: He take a lot of punishment, yes, I mean it

1738
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 2: was in his resolve is certainly impressive. But I think

1739
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 2: with so many names in this division, especially if those

1740
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 2: belts start to you know, mix around. You also have

1741
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 2: David Merrell Junior unbeaten with the secondary title of note,

1742
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 2: in the moment, there's a lot of matchups to make.

1743
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 2: I think he can get himself back up to the

1744
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 2: top potentially, Luke, He's gonna have to really come back.

1745
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 2: But styles make fights, and Caleb Plant's style works against

1746
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 2: a very high tier level of fighter, not against Canelo

1747
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 2: and David Benavitez though, which is why we're talking about

1748
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 2: those two potentially, you know, later in this year in

1749
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 2: a big summit meeting. But wouldn't you love to see

1750
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 2: able to plan against a Jamal charlow A in a

1751
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,680
Speaker 2: super middleweight debut against I mean, really, you can name

1752
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 2: any of the names in that elite group, and I

1753
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 2: think he's got a defensive style and in a good

1754
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 2: boxing pedigree, good enough to win a lot of those fights.

1755
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 2: So I mean, look, it's not it's not ridiculous to

1756
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 2: think the idea of what he said after that, I

1757
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 2: can't wait to rematch Benavidez one day. It's not a

1758
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 2: ridiculous thought if if he builds himself back.

1759
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: Up, not at all all? Right From Matt at Matt

1760
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: Tucker Photography BC.

1761
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,480
Speaker 2: Oh, that's our guy, Luke. Matt Tucker rules.

1762
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 1: Which one is this for?

1763
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 2: The guy with the glasses. Who's at every boxing in

1764
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 2: MMA event shooting he works?

1765
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, yes, like the journal Yes, yes, yes, yes,

1766
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was his last name, Matt Tucker. Okay,

1767
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,719
Speaker 1: thoughts on the Chris Colbert versus ryo of Aalezuela decision.

1768
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: You seem to think it was totally fine. You're like

1769
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 1: the only person.

1770
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was great. I'm gonna rewatch the

1771
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 2: fight and score it round by Ronnie did not have

1772
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 2: the time with the late travel last night to do

1773
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 2: that for today's show, and I will get back to

1774
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:01,719
Speaker 2: you on this. I will say though, with my eyes,

1775
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 2: did it look like Vealezuela.

1776
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:03,679
Speaker 1: Had dead enough?

1777
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 2: Yes? But was the fight also close? And was Colbert

1778
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 2: fighting back every round in which he was hurt? Yes? Sometimes,

1779
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 2: let me say this, I think this may fall. I'm

1780
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 2: gonna score it and get back to you, But I

1781
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 2: think this is one of those things where when one

1782
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 2: guy scored the knockdown and the rounds he clearly won

1783
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 2: were like twice as dominant as the other guy, it

1784
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 2: can lead you to believe, like when you say the

1785
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 2: other you know when you're saying Colbert may have had

1786
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 2: a chance to win. Here it sounds ridiculous. The math

1787
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 2: could add up, you know what I mean, You only

1788
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 2: get ten to nine in most rounds, even if you're

1789
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 2: you know, clearly winning. But it was only a ten

1790
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 2: round fight, and I don't think it was the slam

1791
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 2: dunk everybody thinks to us now, it doesn't hurt the

1792
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 2: situation that all three judges had the exact same score basically,

1793
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 2: and two of them had the exact same scoring round

1794
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:54,600
Speaker 2: for round. That leads you to believe, you know that

1795
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 2: that fuels people's conspiracy or ineptitude debates here, But that

1796
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 2: also means they had the three best look at it

1797
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 2: from that close. So I hate to have this argument

1798
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 2: without having watched it and scored it a second time.

1799
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 2: Let me do that and get back to you, Luke.

1800
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 2: But I don't think robbery is the word. It may

1801
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 2: be the wrong decision, but I don't think robbery is

1802
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 2: the word.

1803
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, my my threshold for robbery is high, So I

1804
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 1: don't know if I call it a robbery either, But

1805
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 1: not a great call.

1806
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 2: It was a close fight. It was a fun fight too,

1807
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 2: all right.

1808
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 1: It was a fun fight. It was that was definitely

1809
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 1: a fun fight, definitely, And by the way, Chris Colbert Man.

1810
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: Even if he got that win, he got that one

1811
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 1: by as you know, as you well know, he might

1812
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 1: have been lucky to get it, and he certainly got

1813
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: it by the skin of his fucking teeth getting dropped

1814
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 1: hard in the first round, and he was like, are

1815
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: they gonna You're gonna give Alizuela a rematch? Here's all

1816
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 1: you need to know. He was like, fuck, no, I'm

1817
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 1: going back to one thirty. I'm not fighting that fucking

1818
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: guy again. So that kind of tells you he kind

1819
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: of knew he got away with one. He got away

1820
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: with one. Yeah, yeah, all right, but he ain't the first.

1821
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: He won't be the last, all right. At Cole Underscore

1822
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 1: Brown eight five eight BC. In your opinion, was it

1823
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 1: a mistake for Cheeto to take the Sanhagen fight, seeing

1824
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 1: as one loss can sit you back so far in

1825
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: such a stacked one hundred and thirty five pound division.

1826
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 2: Well, hindsight is twenty twenty. It's easy to say that.

1827
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: Now.

1828
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 2: What I don't know is his financial situation. What was

1829
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 2: offered to him. If he said, you know, how do

1830
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 2: I get this O'Malley fight? And if they said, oh, sorry,

1831
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 2: we've got you know different plans for O'Malley, then staying

1832
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 2: active and staying busy and making a nice headlining paycheck

1833
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 2: may have been very important in this case for Cheetahcause look, look,

1834
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 2: there's always going to be guys that no matter what,

1835
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you have an extreme guy like Cowboy Seroni,

1836
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 2: who just got announced and added to the Hall of

1837
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 2: Fame for Saturday, as a guy who's going to, no

1838
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 2: matter what, want to fight every three months and get

1839
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 2: as much money as he can. But some guys just

1840
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,759
Speaker 2: also feel like being active keeps them at their highest

1841
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 2: So it's hard to really say that without knowing the details.

1842
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: Also, I just think it's I mean, I get the question, right,

1843
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 1: I get the question being a function of hey, man,

1844
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 1: take something a little bit less risky in your way up.

1845
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 1: But dude, if you want to be the champion at

1846
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 1: one thirty five in this way class, there's just not

1847
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: an easy road. Man, Like there might be some fights

1848
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 1: that are better than others, fair enough, Corey Sanhagen is

1849
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: a living testament to the fact that, like, dude, it's

1850
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: really like, there's just there's not Oh, here's the path

1851
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 1: you have to walk over lava, and this one it's

1852
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 1: a red carpet. It's really not so binary at all,

1853
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: Like it's all lava every way you go. It's fairly

1854
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 1: well whatever, whatever you want to say. I'm just pointing out,

1855
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 1: like I get the idea of thinking critically about what

1856
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 1: fights you accept, but if you're a contender trying to

1857
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 1: wrestle away opportunities and then eventually a title, there's a

1858
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 1: certain level of all comers and ability you have to

1859
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 1: show in order to get there, and sheto did show it.

1860
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 1: It just came up a little bit short this time. Sure,

1861
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 1: all right? From at Brendan Adrian nine. I love this one.

1862
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 1: BC thoughts on danis common on Covington deserving a title shot, saying, quote,

1863
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: if not for Rusman, Covington would be champion for years?

1864
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 1: What does it say about the UFC matchmaking on hopes

1865
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: and dreams rather than reality and merit? One of the

1866
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: worst arguments I've ever heard for a title shot, But

1867
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 1: it worked.

1868
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 2: So here we go goet hopes and dreams ways and

1869
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 2: means right, Yeah, I mean that's a lame double down

1870
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 2: to frame it like that. These are the moments where

1871
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 2: you just want Dana to be honest, because I get that,

1872
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 2: because it's Colby, and because it's denying somebody like Ballall

1873
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 2: who people rightfully look at is like this blue collar,

1874
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,560
Speaker 2: you know, guy that's worked so hard to climb the

1875
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 2: latter at all odds and he has let's give him

1876
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 2: that respect. It's easy to frame this more under Dana

1877
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 2: White privilege and do all that, but we've seen it

1878
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 2: happen consistently for guys who are marketable. It's clear the

1879
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 2: UFC truly loves and respects how Colby carries himself, you know,

1880
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 2: as being the willing villain and all that. So it's

1881
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 2: just to me not a surprise. That's how they do it.

1882
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 2: So just come out and say it. Yes, there's an

1883
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 2: argument to be made anyway because his only losses to

1884
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 2: the champion. I made that argument even though people hate

1885
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 2: hearing it. But also, this guy knows what he's doing.

1886
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 2: And look, we were debating the least legit title opportunities

1887
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:13,680
Speaker 2: over the years, you and I and we were kind

1888
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,799
Speaker 2: of throwing out ideas. We forgot Chail against John Jones

1889
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 2: in our debate. That was one where there was no

1890
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 2: merit whatsoever. This is not that bad, dude, I mean,

1891
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 2: come on, there is merit. Hair I just wish Dan

1892
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 2: would be honest and say exactly what this is.

1893
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 1: You know, I don't, Well, what is the merit? Tell me?

1894
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 2: We already went over this. People disagree, you disagree, that's fine.

1895
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 2: But within the title contention and his recent record and

1896
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 2: the only losses in close fights to the guy who

1897
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 2: was the champion, and he's coming off of pay per

1898
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 2: view win, I know there's holes in that resume. I'm

1899
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 2: not saying that.

1900
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the most euphemistic way to describe a

1901
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:47,600
Speaker 1: very lacking resume for this opportunity.

1902
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 2: It would be different if he was coming off a

1903
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 2: loss which people got title shots in the PA.

1904
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be I think they still

1905
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 1: might give it to him, Like if you're gonna give

1906
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 1: it to Colby, Now, there's not many circumstances where you

1907
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 1: can deny one.

1908
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 2: My whole point is just you'd prefer Dana to be honest.

1909
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: Yes, I certainly make that ball. It's just it's a

1910
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 1: really silly argument to make, saying, well, if not for Usman,

1911
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 1: Kolby would have been champed. Okay, Well, Oosman was there

1912
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: and Colby was found to be second best number one,

1913
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 1: Like that's just the reality number two. You could make

1914
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 1: the same argument about John Fitch. John Fitch was the man,

1915
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 1: but for Saint Pierre, he went on, let's see who

1916
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 1: we beat when he went to the UFC consecutively Brock Larsen, Berkman,

1917
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 1: Thiago Alves, who by the way, was later on into

1918
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: being a title defense for George Saint Pierre, Kuniyoshihiro Inaka,

1919
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: who was good at the time, Luigi Fio Ravanti hold

1920
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 1: on Carnero, that was a he had to fight out

1921
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 1: of a deficit on that one. Then he beats Diego Sanchez,

1922
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: Then he beats Chris Wilson, and then so he's under

1923
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 1: his eighteen and two. And then he beats Or he

1924
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 1: used to be losing to Saint Pierre, but then goes

1925
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 1: right back into the contender pool, beats Thiago Alvis again,

1926
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 1: beats Ben Saunders again, beats Mike Mike Pierce, beats Paulo Thiago,

1927
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: who was a beast at that time, and then Akahiro

1928
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 1: going on, and I could go on and on and

1929
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 1: on from there. As the draw against b J. Penn,

1930
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: he was that guy. It didn't do shit for him,

1931
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: and after he lost, he stayed beating top contenders at

1932
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 1: that time of that division, which Colby never did. This

1933
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 1: has nothing to fucking do with anything another guy, but

1934
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,600
Speaker 1: for another guy is one thing that's pretty stupid. And

1935
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 1: then on top of it, no one who he's beaten

1936
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 1: in the interim restores his placement in that division if

1937
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 1: he had been the guy like he was against Usman right,

1938
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 1: that same argument, but rather than taking time off, he's

1939
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: out there beating Gilbert Burns, rather than taking time off,

1940
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: he's beating whoever the fuck out there at the top

1941
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 1: of that division. That's a different conversation. That's not what

1942
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: happened here. He has one win over Jorgem Masvidal in

1943
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 1: the last or as the only win his last two years. Whatever,

1944
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 1: it was deeply, deeply it was deeply undeserving of a title.

1945
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 2: Show, and it was stupid when Dana compared it to

1946
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 2: Leon Edwards saying, oh, he was out for two years

1947
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 2: and then got a title show. Wasn't the same circumstances

1948
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:51,759
Speaker 2: or situation or scenario also had.

1949
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: Like nine canceled bouts.

1950
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 2: Totally to be honest and say, there's enough merit mixed

1951
01:28:56,280 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 2: with this being our best move commercially, I don't think

1952
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 2: he gets the next level that I'm getting in my

1953
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 2: DMS of people saying that they're trying to time Colby

1954
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 2: winning back the title with Donald Trump running for office

1955
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 2: and then they can have the championship belt out on

1956
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 2: for for I don't think it's actually that, Luke, But

1957
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 2: just be honest about what it is, you know, Luke,

1958
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 2: I mean you know, but to your points you tried

1959
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 2: to make. If it wasn't for GSP, then UFC Hall

1960
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 2: of Famer met Sarah, you know, would have.

1961
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: You know, all arguments are so bizarre. If not for

1962
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 1: the facts, a different thing would be real.

1963
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 2: But the honestly though, if it wasn't for Minute Tallow,

1964
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 2: then Little Nog wouldn't be this massively overrated. To be fair,

1965
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 2: just to be fair, right.

1966
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 1: He also wouldn't be little Nog. He'd just be Nog,

1967
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There'd be no little, there'd

1968
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,679
Speaker 1: be no big, there'd be no nothing, all right, Last,

1969
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: but not least, I don't know how to pronounce this

1970
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 1: from Gassim, Who's sayini? I think I'm saying that right.

1971
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 1: If I'm not, please forgive me. What do you make

1972
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 1: of Patty's aggressive push for the Gordon rematch? It seems

1973
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 1: like he's avoiding a step up at all costs. See,

1974
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I don't know if you saw this.

1975
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 1: He put out something on social media. I think like

1976
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 1: from the hospital gurney or whatever U up for surgery

1977
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,599
Speaker 1: he was getting. I actually like this from Patty. Yeah,

1978
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 1: there's unresolved issues with the Gordon fight. Take it again.

1979
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 1: Let's see what you can do again. Patty needs We

1980
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 1: talked about Benavidez, right, everyone kind of thought he could

1981
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 1: do it, and he did do it, but I needed

1982
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 1: to see it. I needed to see him get out

1983
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 1: there and prove he could be that guy. That's what

1984
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 1: That's what Patty needs to do. He has to go

1985
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 1: and prove it. Go prove it. I like that idea. Yeah,

1986
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 1: prove it all night, right, Any thoughts be seen?

1987
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I mean I agree with you.

1988
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 1: I got the question is labor a specifically when you

1989
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: love quick shows.

1990
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm trying to play into.

1991
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, we talked about this.

1992
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:46,759
Speaker 2: Hey No, I mean, look, yeah, you have the opportunity

1993
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 2: to fix the glitch. If your biggest critics are saying

1994
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 2: those type of things that you didn't you know, I mean,

1995
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 2: he didn't he didn't light the world on fire in

1996
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 2: his last fight, So a chance to go back there

1997
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 2: and fix it? Okay, would you rather have that or

1998
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:00,040
Speaker 2: him rush into something he's not ready for? I'm I

1999
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 2: mean I have no problem with that.

2000
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't want to see that at all,

2001
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 1: no interest. All right. That is it for our top

2002
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:11,600
Speaker 1: five and our DM from dog Specie is top.

2003
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 2: What I do every Sunday is I like scholar the

2004
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 2: globe for the you know, the good, the bad, the ugly,

2005
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 2: the highs and lows, the in between the world of

2006
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:23,599
Speaker 2: combat sports, but usually usually going much further beyond that.

2007
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:30,639
Speaker 2: This is called have you seen this shit? M oh god,

2008
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 2: somebody light a match?

2009
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 1: Uh?

2010
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 2: Luke. We're gonna start off with Corey Sandhagen defeating Uh

2011
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,680
Speaker 2: did we just have a seizure there? Cory Sandhagen got

2012
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 2: a big win on Saturday, Luke, And as we teased

2013
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 2: last week, he doesn't want the champion. He's got a

2014
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 2: different name in mind, and he's got a new catchphrase

2015
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 2: he wants to try out on the San Antonio Faithful.

2016
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 2: Let's hear it, Marob, you're hungry?

2017
01:31:57,560 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 3: Why I got something for you to eat?

2018
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 1: And he don't tell you good.

2019
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 2: Look that was pretty damn suhudo level cringe. But uh,

2020
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 2: I guess I'm here for it. I guess I'm here

2021
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,679
Speaker 2: for and he'd.

2022
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 1: I love Cory. That sucked. I hated that, all right.

2023
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 2: Look do you like that fight though? Right, that's a

2024
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 2: great fight.

2025
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:24,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, dude, Corey Sanhagan fights nothing but hammers

2026
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: bro nothing. You got anyone calling out Morob.

2027
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 2: Avoid he I know, but he's like, I want to

2028
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 2: match my beast inside me against that guy's cast. Okay,

2029
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 2: let's do it. I'm here for your court. Seriously, of course,

2030
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 2: san Hagen, it's hard not. I mean, he goes after it.

2031
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 2: You gotta have respect for him, for sure. I think

2032
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 2: he does look exactly like Corey Menicci of Morning Combat fame.

2033
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 1: He does a little bit.

2034
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 2: I think if took the hat off and like, you know,

2035
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:52,679
Speaker 2: started speaking on the mic, he'd be like, oh my god, right,

2036
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 2: like he don't taste good it, certainly don't. Hey, look, hey,

2037
01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 2: looke Nate the train land where usually says dick those

2038
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 2: things into the microphone. So, uh, let's introduce san Antonio

2039
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 2: to the gun show. Look amazing would.

2040
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 1: Be amazing given his last name. If he just spoke

2041
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 1: like fluent German.

2042
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, that'd be great, that'd be great. He's

2043
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 2: becoming a fun fighter. Who can I mean, he's on

2044
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 2: a nice little run here, right, I mean he's Blacky

2045
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 2: is all ship. But if you asked me BC, is

2046
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 2: there a spot for him on the room service diaries? Couch?

2047
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 2: Your damn right, there is.

2048
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: Okay, he's what you would call a phenomenal TV fighter.

2049
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 1: Phenomenal TV fighter.

2050
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:45,679
Speaker 2: Yes, he's getting better, Luke Flyway. Venicius Salvador brought out

2051
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 2: his Spider Silva instincts here, but he didn't get the

2052
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 2: win against Victor Alta Morano.

2053
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 1: Do you get the haircut?

2054
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:55,639
Speaker 2: I don't get the haircut.

2055
01:33:55,680 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 1: No. So that was a haircut from the original, not Cristiano.

2056
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Brazilian, the Brazilian version. Uh. And he had

2057
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 1: this I'm not sure what year. I want to say,

2058
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 1: like early two thousands, something like that. I can't late nine.

2059
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sure when he had it, but he had

2060
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 1: a stupid ass haircut.

2061
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 2: He would go on to lose by unanimous decision, which

2062
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 2: which I'm asking you, I don't think you can act

2063
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 2: this flagrantly and if you're not winning the fight, right.

2064
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:23,720
Speaker 1: I mean this little Yeah, I mean you can do

2065
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:27,719
Speaker 1: this when you're like sixteen title defenses into your career. Yeah,

2066
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:29,640
Speaker 1: yoh yeah, Hey, come over here, I'm gonna play fu

2067
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 1: fuck games. You can't do that when this is the stage.

2068
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 2: And maybe not with that haircut either. All right, let's

2069
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 2: go over to a Selo Green, Luke. You know that fella.

2070
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has a version of everyone was kung Fu

2071
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:42,599
Speaker 1: fighting from kung Fu Panda that Tukester loves.

2072
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 2: Oh wow, let's see if she likes him. On a horse,

2073
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:46,559
Speaker 2: let's check this out.

2074
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 1: Is that the horse that bit me with Jake Paul

2075
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 1: was around?

2076
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 2: Well, you've been bit by a few of them.

2077
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 1: Luke, Yo, oh horse horse like yo? Get this heavy set?

2078
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 1: Oh shit?

2079
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 2: Oh shit yo?

2080
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 1: You got me with that?

2081
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 2: Oh boy?

2082
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 1: Why why is this horse in a room full of

2083
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 1: strobe lights? Can we get this fucking horse on a

2084
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 1: farm somewhere please?

2085
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke, Floyd Money Mayweather was in Las Vegas on

2086
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 2: Saturday for the fight. Was good to see him inside

2087
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:17,480
Speaker 2: the MGM Grand But he just came back from Dubai

2088
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 2: and check out this, Luke. I named this the Money

2089
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:26,040
Speaker 2: may Latte. Do you respect the artistry here?

2090
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: We I do respect Floyd.

2091
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 2: Oh there it is.

2092
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 1: That's the coffee.

2093
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:33,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that incredible?

2094
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:34,879
Speaker 1: He didn't even drink.

2095
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 2: It, Probably not, but you know, shout out to Pat

2096
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 2: Cummins and the artistry of the barista, Luke. That's fantastic.

2097
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 1: You see, I'll never forget. Do you remember what you

2098
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:47,680
Speaker 1: used to watch MTV cribs back in the day? Right? Oh?

2099
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude? That Redman episode was incredible.

2100
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 1: The Redman episode was one of the best ones. Do

2101
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: you have a favorite of ones that were like non ironic,

2102
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:55,879
Speaker 1: like someone's house was just amazing?

2103
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 2: Oh not an amazing way, only in irony. Who was

2104
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:00,719
Speaker 2: the guy who Percy Miller?

2105
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:02,080
Speaker 1: Oh? Master P?

2106
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 2: Master P had the most ridiculous use of like he's like,

2107
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 2: see that gold ceiling above my bed, it only costs

2108
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:10,720
Speaker 2: eight million, and you're like, okay, yeah.

2109
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 1: And he had a big ass like mural of himself too.

2110
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:16,639
Speaker 1: My favorite from that episode was that master P coined

2111
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 1: a new term. His house wasn't eloquent or elegant. It

2112
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 1: was it was uh eloquent. Eloguint is what he said.

2113
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 1: You know, this house is real eloquent and it was

2114
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 1: real nice, but no, it was the Dame Dash episode.

2115
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 1: I remember Dame Dash. I remember him Rockefeller Records, and

2116
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 1: he said he never wears the same pair of socks.

2117
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:42,280
Speaker 1: Twice he would open a new pair of socks, fresh

2118
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 1: wear them, and then when he was done, he would

2119
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:45,559
Speaker 1: throw him in the garbage. And I thought to myself

2120
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:47,800
Speaker 1: at the time, I'm like, man, even if I'm rich,

2121
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 1: that seems real fucking dumb. And sure enough he doesn't

2122
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 1: have that money anymore.

2123
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 2: So actually, that's actually my goal in life, at least

2124
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 2: in terms of boxers look underwear. I'd like to get

2125
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 2: to that point where I just set them on fire

2126
01:36:58,520 --> 01:36:59,600
Speaker 2: as soon as they come off of me.

2127
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:01,479
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I mean you're already shitting in them, so

2128
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 1: you should be throwing them away, you know what I'm saying.

2129
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 2: Look, have you ever heard of the MMA promotion in

2130
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 2: Russia called Ural FC?

2131
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 1: I have out of the Ural Mountains. Yes.

2132
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:12,519
Speaker 2: Well, they produced what I thought was the weirdest face

2133
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:14,640
Speaker 2: off in MMA history this weekend. Let's check it out.

2134
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 1: I bro, look at the fucking.

2135
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:24,120
Speaker 2: Can we play the audio?

2136
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:29,559
Speaker 1: I'm going to assume that both of these athletes are

2137
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 1: drug free. Right, this is how me and BC do

2138
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 1: show meetings. Okay, Okay, this is not the weirdest one.

2139
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:50,719
Speaker 1: It gets weirdest.

2140
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,640
Speaker 2: Look if you can continue to avoid dropping spoilers. Uh.

2141
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:06,639
Speaker 2: I thought that was the weirdest face off. But then Luke,

2142
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:09,719
Speaker 2: these two waded in, and then we got next level.

2143
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 1: This is so great. Look at these two. This is

2144
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:24,639
Speaker 1: just straight. I mean, my man's got like five teeth.

2145
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 1: Look at him.

2146
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 2: You know I didn't even know, No, I didn't even

2147
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 2: bother to find out who won, Luke.

2148
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 1: This, Oh, the white guy one punched kotum.

2149
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 2: Rises came out. Look for that in next week's ship

2150
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 2: But wow, that is uh that is all time great

2151
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 2: stuff there. That's weirdest ship boxing weekend recap time, Luke.

2152
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 2: A lot of people are against referee Kenny Bayless for

2153
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:03,120
Speaker 2: constantly breaking the punches during Benavide's plant, largely before they

2154
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 2: even happened. Well he maybe this was payback for it

2155
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:10,240
Speaker 2: both fighter's refusal to touch gloves. Luke, they were like, yo,

2156
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:11,680
Speaker 2: fuck Kenny Bayliss.

2157
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 1: In real time when he did this, you looked at

2158
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 1: me and laughed like you just saw some old lady

2159
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:22,600
Speaker 1: go face first into the concrete.

2160
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 2: Just hear his face, dude, he could not make that happen.

2161
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,400
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I fucking hate that. I like

2162
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 1: it when they say if you want to touch gloves,

2163
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 1: do it now. Otherwise go back to your corners. When

2164
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 1: they fucking try to make them to get the fuck

2165
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:34,519
Speaker 1: out of here, you're not the same.

2166
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 2: Only thing lamer than that is Sometimes boxing referees will

2167
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:39,560
Speaker 2: try to make them stop talking to each other, like

2168
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 2: if they're trash talking. It's like, yo, this is a fight, Like,

2169
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:45,800
Speaker 2: come on, you know they're fighting, Okay, Let I mean

2170
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:49,160
Speaker 2: let this wow. Yeah, hey, the final tech. You gotta

2171
01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:52,000
Speaker 2: give respect though where it's due. And that Caleb Plant,

2172
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 2: he was willing to go through it all. Luke. Let's

2173
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 2: let's look back on the final ten seconds of round twelve.

2174
01:39:57,680 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 2: It was wild.

2175
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 1: Right in the middle.

2176
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I do seriously, Caleb Plant's like gonna win

2177
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 2: over a monster fan base just by just by trying

2178
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 2: his best, really just by literally trying his best, right,

2179
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 2: I mean, just in standing.

2180
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 1: He didn't like he was sticking and moving. But then

2181
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 1: I think he realized, I'm just gonna stand with this

2182
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 1: guy and get some points for it. I will say this.

2183
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: You see Caleb's tweet the next day. Yeah, Yeah, he

2184
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:39,679
Speaker 1: was like, no excuses, he was better. I'll be back.

2185
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:41,720
Speaker 1: I loved it. I think a lot of people who

2186
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:44,760
Speaker 1: are haters of Caleb Plant, you know, definitely got some

2187
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 1: respect for him after this one.

2188
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:48,680
Speaker 2: And uh to see you know, I mentioned that on

2189
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:50,759
Speaker 2: our post show. But the way his death that Benevite

2190
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:53,760
Speaker 2: is his father who was in some ways had the

2191
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:57,080
Speaker 2: original beef with Plant that started this whole thing. You know,

2192
01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 2: the respect that he gave him afterwards, like they they

2193
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 2: as a fan only like love this guy now because

2194
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,360
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, but dude, at that level, Luke,

2195
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:06,640
Speaker 2: if somebody's bringing it, you gotta respect him, you know,

2196
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 2: you gotta. There's willing to leave it in there. Crazy. Also,

2197
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:14,920
Speaker 2: Chris Colbert tried to win the Fashion Wars on Saturday.

2198
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on this, Luke.

2199
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 1: Looks like my fucked up tie from Saturday. Let's like me,

2200
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate the effort. I really like him. I'm not

2201
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:29,880
Speaker 1: gonna hate on the effort even though he looks like

2202
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 1: a Dick Tracy. Uh you know private investigator. Mm hmm,

2203
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 1: that's a that's an old man referenced Dick Tracy Jesus Christ.

2204
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:40,800
Speaker 2: That just made people sorry.

2205
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 1: I didn't hear you. I was sorry. I apologize. I

2206
01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:44,720
Speaker 1: didn't hear the zoom audio in my ear goes in

2207
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:48,560
Speaker 1: and out. I missed some ship. But the problem is

2208
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:50,439
Speaker 1: that he didn't. He got dropped in the first round

2209
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 1: doing this ship.

2210
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:52,680
Speaker 2: You know what I mean to that? Luke. Let's look

2211
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:54,680
Speaker 2: back at that first round knockdown. I didn't think he

2212
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 2: was gonna survive this, let alone win the fight.

2213
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:03,000
Speaker 1: Just runs into him. Look at this, Bob, but.

2214
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 2: He did show it. He did show a pretty gnarly

2215
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 2: chin though, and getting back in this. I'll get back

2216
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:09,280
Speaker 2: to you on the scoring. But a wild outfit. I

2217
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:12,439
Speaker 2: wouldn't recommend those trunks for most people, but Chris Colbert

2218
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 2: able to pull it off with the Devison figure eat.

2219
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:16,120
Speaker 1: I think he's a big like Whiz Khalifa fan. Black

2220
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 1: and Yallow, Black and Yallow.

2221
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:19,960
Speaker 2: Maybe look, let's go to Fresno. We had that top

2222
01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:22,720
Speaker 2: rank boxing fight and Jose Ramirez coming back for the

2223
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 2: first time, actually a second time since losing in that

2224
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:29,880
Speaker 2: unification about to Josh Taylor. Him and Richard Colemy went

2225
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 2: to battle and Luke round eleven, Ramirez was finally able

2226
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 2: to close the door. This is a really good performance.

2227
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:41,000
Speaker 1: I have not seen this yet. Let me see. He's

2228
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 1: hurting all body shot, body shot.

2229
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 2: And he did say afterwards that he'd like either Regis

2230
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:51,840
Speaker 2: program for the WBC title or a rematch with Josh Taylor,

2231
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:53,479
Speaker 2: and Lukey said he's gonna do about two to three

2232
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:56,200
Speaker 2: more fights at one forty before the official move up

2233
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 2: to welterweight. So you know there's there's a there's a plan,

2234
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 2: and there's a potent. You'll hear that all these guys

2235
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:02,920
Speaker 2: move up to welter way together and that, you know,

2236
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:04,880
Speaker 2: they just all fight each other a bunch of times.

2237
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:07,639
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not against that under any situation. Okay

2238
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:10,120
Speaker 2: with that, Remember that Josh Taylor pro Gray fight. That

2239
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:14,040
Speaker 2: was a classic sick uh the top rank under car

2240
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:18,160
Speaker 2: check out Subaru Marata. He only needed ninety seconds to

2241
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:19,599
Speaker 2: get rid of Jose Negrete.

2242
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:24,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that right down the middle.

2243
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 2: And the way he fell too.

2244
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:30,960
Speaker 1: Damn, he's trying to collect himself. I admire the hustle.

2245
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,320
Speaker 1: He's got the old Edgar haircut too. Yeah.

2246
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 2: That that's the I don't know if we can see

2247
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:37,719
Speaker 2: that again on the loop. Oh here it is right

2248
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:40,879
Speaker 2: down Main Street. Hey, look, let's go to the NFL stands.

2249
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:43,920
Speaker 2: You know, the fans there in that league, they'll do anything. Luckily,

2250
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 2: this gentleman had no problem picking out his seat, Luke,

2251
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:48,720
Speaker 2: and his seat was a good one.

2252
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:52,280
Speaker 1: Right yeah, look at look at this fucking digit. Why

2253
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 1: don't you sit down, barn animal. Look look at this

2254
01:43:56,880 --> 01:44:02,680
Speaker 1: fucking god. Just execute at this peasant, just execute him.

2255
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 2: Let's go to baseball in the Caribbean. Here's a great

2256
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:05,880
Speaker 2: father show.

2257
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:07,719
Speaker 1: I will say this. The one thing that the pandemic

2258
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:09,720
Speaker 1: did better for everyone, The one thing it did better

2259
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:12,800
Speaker 1: for everyone is it put hand sanitizer everywhere. You know

2260
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:15,320
Speaker 1: that thing. I'm pretty glad about how you can just

2261
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 1: go to like hotels and restaurants and they just have

2262
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 1: hand sanitizer stations that we can all use. That that

2263
01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:22,240
Speaker 1: is definitely an upgrade.

2264
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:25,519
Speaker 2: Look, great father, great father son moment down there in

2265
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 2: Caribbean baseball during this post fight interview. Let's check it out. Sorry, no, son,

2266
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:38,520
Speaker 2: we don't do that here, No, no, no.

2267
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:42,679
Speaker 1: And look at the kid, look at him biting his lips.

2268
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:47,920
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, let's go to the white women on

2269
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:49,519
Speaker 2: a jet ski. That always ends good.

2270
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 1: I bet they're going to be sobered. Oh, look at

2271
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 1: this just ten thousand pound.

2272
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:56,400
Speaker 2: Oh come on, come on, Luke.

2273
01:44:56,680 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, just sink that shiit? But is that life preserve?

2274
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:03,439
Speaker 1: I mean, do you have do they have to wear more?

2275
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:05,719
Speaker 1: I mean it's I'm over here fat shaving and I shouldn't.

2276
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean, look, DC is a Hall

2277
01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:10,559
Speaker 2: of Famer. We don't need to keep going down this.

2278
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 1: Road, Luke.

2279
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:14,599
Speaker 2: Okay, serious, They do have weight limits on those things though. Hey,

2280
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:17,240
Speaker 2: park Or fails have become a big deal. Watch this.

2281
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:19,639
Speaker 2: We'll do the front view, then the back view of it.

2282
01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:29,400
Speaker 1: Luke, Look at this fucking moron. Yeah. Yeah, a news flash, Whitey,

2283
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:30,240
Speaker 1: you're not a bird.

2284
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:35,080
Speaker 2: All right. Hey, it's time to rate that tat, Luke.

2285
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 2: We looked at the leg tat of Dan Hooker the

2286
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:40,280
Speaker 2: other day. He's got the he's got the second one going.

2287
01:45:40,120 --> 01:45:45,320
Speaker 1: To Uh that looks pretty good.

2288
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:48,920
Speaker 2: Now he's got both legs patted.

2289
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:52,280
Speaker 1: Up with that pretty good. I like the quality of

2290
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:54,400
Speaker 1: his work. Yeah, where's he at stained skin tattoo?

2291
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:56,960
Speaker 2: In terms of aggressiveness, Luke, this is the type of

2292
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:59,719
Speaker 2: tats I give my UFC four on EA sports guys

2293
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:01,679
Speaker 2: like this is a lot. There's a lot going on here.

2294
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:05,320
Speaker 1: It's a lot. It's a big piece and they're from

2295
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:07,080
Speaker 1: what I can tell. Again, I'm not an expert. Well,

2296
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:08,559
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert in any tattoo style, but I'm

2297
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:11,920
Speaker 1: not super familiar with this tattoo style, but just from

2298
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:13,680
Speaker 1: basic tattoo work, from what I can see, and it

2299
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:14,920
Speaker 1: looks really really good.

2300
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:17,600
Speaker 2: All right, Hey rate this tat Luke. The message is

2301
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 2: universal and I certainly agree with it, but it is

2302
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:24,400
Speaker 2: an aggressive tat.

2303
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 1: Jesus didn't tap. So I don't know if folks know

2304
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 1: this or not. That used to be a clothing brand.

2305
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:31,000
Speaker 1: Are you aware of this? BC?

2306
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:32,160
Speaker 2: I am not aware of that.

2307
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 1: Not maybe ten or fifteen. I'm closer to fifteen years ago.

2308
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:38,680
Speaker 1: They were one of the upstart brands that were in

2309
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:40,880
Speaker 1: the MMA space. I used to joke it was like,

2310
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 1: I don't even know how this is a fucking name,

2311
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 1: Like how do you name whose idea was it to

2312
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 1: do this? Because it's a really fucking stupid idea. But

2313
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 1: they did name a clothing brand after it, and they

2314
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:55,639
Speaker 1: sponsored a lot of religiously oriented fighters. And this guy said,

2315
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:57,639
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to take a bad branding

2316
01:46:57,640 --> 01:46:59,439
Speaker 1: idea and I'm going to make a tattoo out of it.

2317
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:04,720
Speaker 1: So the tattoo itself is heavily it's just sort of

2318
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 1: a darker feature obviously. Yeah, it's not a horrible tattoo

2319
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:15,439
Speaker 1: in that sense, it's just nothing I would get.

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01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 2: There's Zoe the cat appearance.

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01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:19,559
Speaker 1: Luke, Wait, what's the between Zoe and Reggie? Is Zoe

2322
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:20,120
Speaker 1: long hair?

2323
01:47:21,120 --> 01:47:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? Zoey's like Himalayan style almost, She's got a lot

2324
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:27,040
Speaker 2: of hair and big, big puffy tail, and she bites

2325
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:28,520
Speaker 2: very aggressively.

2326
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:28,840
Speaker 1: Luke.

2327
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:31,040
Speaker 2: She doesn't you ever hear of like love bites that

2328
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:33,880
Speaker 2: animals give. Luke, She doesn't really show you that she

2329
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:36,599
Speaker 2: loves you until you bleed. That's usually her first point

2330
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 2: of contact where she gets you know, yeah, Oky.

2331
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:40,960
Speaker 1: Will you sing to her? Will you sing to her?

2332
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:43,080
Speaker 2: This is as long as I've ever held her without

2333
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 2: getting stabbed, Luke.

2334
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:47,639
Speaker 1: Sing to her, sing to her, so you're good, you're good?

2335
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:48,519
Speaker 1: Sing you know.

2336
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 2: She's become a regular on my only Pipes channel, Luke

2337
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:53,519
Speaker 2: Cameo dot com slash Dude, I'll.

2338
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:55,719
Speaker 1: Tell you there's this dude on YouTube whose cat only

2339
01:47:55,720 --> 01:48:01,200
Speaker 1: stops harassing him when he sings. Seem like the national anthem,

2340
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:02,400
Speaker 1: seem like the national anthem.

2341
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:04,679
Speaker 2: She's purring into the microphone for you, Luke.

2342
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:06,360
Speaker 1: You just won't commit to the bit, will you.

2343
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:09,439
Speaker 2: This is just wholesome content right now, soul freaking wholesome

2344
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 2: right now.

2345
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:12,880
Speaker 1: All right, let's go fucking close out your eyeballs.

2346
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:16,639
Speaker 2: Oh, come on, stop that, Stop that, all right, Luke,

2347
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:19,120
Speaker 2: Let's continue the shit here so we can take this home,

2348
01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:22,479
Speaker 2: you know, all right? Hey, one more tattoo to look at.

2349
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:25,000
Speaker 2: Check out this Connor McGregor super fan. Did she get

2350
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:25,280
Speaker 2: it right?

2351
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:29,720
Speaker 1: Luke? Uh, it looks like he's got a potato in

2352
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:30,160
Speaker 1: his mouth.

2353
01:48:30,280 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 2: So no, it looks like he's at second base already, Luke.

2354
01:48:35,960 --> 01:48:37,920
Speaker 2: So I don't know about that. Hey, let's go to

2355
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:40,800
Speaker 2: your favorite involving two of your favorite items on Earth, Luke,

2356
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:43,719
Speaker 2: Cars and weed.

2357
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 1: Well that's just the greatest car ever made. I mean,

2358
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:54,200
Speaker 1: if Tesla has any sense, they're going to start making these.

2359
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 2: Uh, Luke, I think I speak for all MK fans

2360
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:03,200
Speaker 2: after Less's episode that this might not be a bad

2361
01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:05,200
Speaker 2: way to fix your attitude problem? Would you be willing

2362
01:49:05,240 --> 01:49:06,240
Speaker 2: to undergo this treatment?

2363
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:11,360
Speaker 1: Let's see, I thought you guys were trying to get

2364
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:12,759
Speaker 1: the stick out of my ass.

2365
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 2: I think that's what they're doing here, Luke, just pulling

2366
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:17,479
Speaker 2: it out.

2367
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 1: He's just getting taller.

2368
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:21,760
Speaker 2: You ever zoom in on the crowd, Luke during old

2369
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:24,160
Speaker 2: UFC fights, and you sometimes see some crazy things you

2370
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 2: didn't notice in real time.

2371
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:27,639
Speaker 1: Sure, I got two instances.

2372
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 2: Let's go to UFC two sixty one. You remember Kamaru

2373
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:34,360
Speaker 2: versus Jorge Part two? Not everybody loved Douceman even back then.

2374
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:47,759
Speaker 2: That was my vote?

2375
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:53,000
Speaker 1: What is it? What is it? U? I volunteer his tribute?

2376
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,400
Speaker 1: Does motherfucker right here? Yes?

2377
01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 2: Yes, Luke, we have another instance. Do you remember UFC

2378
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:00,080
Speaker 2: eighty seven.

2379
01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:03,559
Speaker 1: And that guy, that guy? My family does the same thing.

2380
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 1: Whenever I start talking, they just.

2381
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:10,240
Speaker 2: This, yeah, all right, all right, yeah, sorry, Luke, Sorry

2382
01:50:10,240 --> 01:50:13,439
Speaker 2: about that. Yeah. Look, you do remember brock Listener versus

2383
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:15,360
Speaker 2: Heath Herring from UFC eighty.

2384
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:16,600
Speaker 1: Seven, right, Sure, of course I do.

2385
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:19,040
Speaker 2: Two thousand and eight. You ever hear of our producer

2386
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:22,800
Speaker 2: Mikey mor Mile from CBS Sports. Watch this look for

2387
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:25,160
Speaker 2: the guy in the Affliction T shirt.

2388
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:27,559
Speaker 1: Are we looking for the biggest piece of white trash

2389
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:28,679
Speaker 1: scum ever?

2390
01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:30,479
Speaker 2: Look?

2391
01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:33,600
Speaker 1: Look at this absolute zero?

2392
01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:36,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, is that a Jesus Don't Tap brand shirt?

2393
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:38,680
Speaker 1: Right there. He's got a Jesus Don't tap shirt on.

2394
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 1: Probably not, but I'm just gonna say that God knows.

2395
01:50:41,439 --> 01:50:44,320
Speaker 1: He's got some dirt weed in his pocket probably and

2396
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:47,160
Speaker 1: half the other gummy's in his tummy. He's got a

2397
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:54,640
Speaker 1: chin beard, like a true piece of shit, uh smiling,

2398
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:56,679
Speaker 1: just you know, like I mean, just look at Beavis

2399
01:50:56,680 --> 01:50:59,480
Speaker 1: and butt heead right here, just two American zeros.

2400
01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:02,040
Speaker 2: Mikey just wrote it and said his hr case is

2401
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:02,799
Speaker 2: growing larger.

2402
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:04,800
Speaker 1: And then the guy behind him, the guy to his

2403
01:51:04,840 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 1: bottom left, is having a religious experience with Brocco. Look

2404
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:10,320
Speaker 1: at him reaching up to this guy. Oh yeah, that

2405
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:13,240
Speaker 1: was Hey, hey, Mikey, I'm glad you. I mean, I'm

2406
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:15,719
Speaker 1: just you know, did you bring all your white friends

2407
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:16,599
Speaker 1: to this fucking event?

2408
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:21,600
Speaker 2: Look right, all right, wow, wow, Mike. He claims that

2409
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:24,160
Speaker 2: Roger where to his family was right next to him, Luke,

2410
01:51:24,240 --> 01:51:26,519
Speaker 2: so they were the ones that were And.

2411
01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:28,200
Speaker 1: Now he's trying to say all my other friends. My

2412
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:29,800
Speaker 1: friend was like from this place where like they can

2413
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:31,160
Speaker 1: look white, but then they're definitely not.

2414
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:35,920
Speaker 2: Okay, look, let's uh hey, another big week for Hasbulah.

2415
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:38,840
Speaker 2: Let's check out. They took him to a shoe store, right,

2416
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:39,840
Speaker 2: who were.

2417
01:51:39,680 --> 01:51:41,439
Speaker 1: Still doing this? Are we still doing this? Ship? Really,

2418
01:51:59,600 --> 01:51:59,960
Speaker 1: he's a.

2419
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:07,400
Speaker 2: Bro. I'm kind of tired.

2420
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:11,599
Speaker 1: I don't understand how people don't see that this is

2421
01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 1: the act. The act is little person with some kind

2422
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:17,599
Speaker 1: of developmental discissie.

2423
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:20,040
Speaker 2: You're actually missing out because there's a lot of whole

2424
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:22,320
Speaker 2: thing I am has Beulah moments like I didn't put

2425
01:52:22,360 --> 01:52:24,400
Speaker 2: in this week's has Bulah countdown when he met Mickey

2426
01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:26,040
Speaker 2: Mouse for the first time, and yeah, he tried to

2427
01:52:26,040 --> 01:52:28,320
Speaker 2: punch him once, but then it was heartfelt. Here's what

2428
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:32,000
Speaker 2: people like, He's just living. I know he's like a menace.

2429
01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:34,000
Speaker 1: That mean, what the fuck does that mean?

2430
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:39,040
Speaker 2: I'm just meaning stances that despite his circumstances, that he's

2431
01:52:39,080 --> 01:52:42,160
Speaker 2: just out there being the best, happiest version of himself.

2432
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:44,280
Speaker 2: And I think people at their core can relate to

2433
01:52:44,280 --> 01:52:45,360
Speaker 2: seeing that joy in him.

2434
01:52:45,439 --> 01:52:48,439
Speaker 1: Luca five years in five years going to be interviews

2435
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:51,120
Speaker 1: with has Bulah where he's admitting he felt like he

2436
01:52:51,240 --> 01:52:54,680
Speaker 1: was being manipulated and he felt like he had to

2437
01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 1: act a certain way around the cameras. I mark my

2438
01:52:57,200 --> 01:52:57,760
Speaker 1: fucking words.

2439
01:52:57,800 --> 01:52:59,599
Speaker 2: All right, Well, Luke, he did get to meet Mike

2440
01:52:59,640 --> 01:53:03,160
Speaker 2: Tyson for the first time, and Mike, God bless Mike.

2441
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:05,120
Speaker 2: But I don't know if Mike thought he was like

2442
01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:07,040
Speaker 2: a stuffed animal or something. Watch this, Luke.

2443
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:28,360
Speaker 3: He was not going to uppercut him.

2444
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:31,439
Speaker 1: House Bull has got some cool shoes, dude.

2445
01:53:31,439 --> 01:53:33,120
Speaker 2: Mike was like treating him like he was like a

2446
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:34,280
Speaker 2: like Joe.

2447
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:36,639
Speaker 1: Was the first time I interviewed Mike Tyson.

2448
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:37,479
Speaker 2: No.

2449
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:41,280
Speaker 1: So he was actually a special guest at the Glory

2450
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:43,880
Speaker 1: event in Hampton Roads or maybe it was Norfolk. I

2451
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:47,080
Speaker 1: can't remember that we were at there for and uh

2452
01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 1: so they had me as like the ringside guy interviewing

2453
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:51,560
Speaker 1: him between rounds, but I was just sitting next to

2454
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:53,439
Speaker 1: him for the majority of the fight and he had

2455
01:53:53,479 --> 01:53:55,960
Speaker 1: I mean, poor Mike do like wherever he goes, he

2456
01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:58,880
Speaker 1: just gets mobbed. It's insane. But it was the main

2457
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:00,600
Speaker 1: event and it was too our whatever it was the

2458
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:01,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the main eva, but

2459
01:54:01,720 --> 01:54:04,000
Speaker 1: it was two heavyweights who are like in the Glory

2460
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:06,439
Speaker 1: ring and they were in the corner next to us,

2461
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:10,120
Speaker 1: and it was like shaking the ring, you know, and

2462
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:12,160
Speaker 1: he just kind of looks over at me. He goes

2463
01:54:13,560 --> 01:54:17,160
Speaker 1: them to motherfuckers is huge. That's the first thing he

2464
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:19,720
Speaker 1: said to me. I was like, yes, yes, they are, Mike,

2465
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:20,640
Speaker 1: They're heavyweights.

2466
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:24,880
Speaker 2: All right, all right, that's that's a very interesting story.

2467
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:26,880
Speaker 1: These two motherfuckers is huge.

2468
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:30,240
Speaker 2: Hey, you and I were almost guests on his podcast

2469
01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:31,320
Speaker 2: about three weeks.

2470
01:54:31,080 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 1: Ago, two or false, I mean were we.

2471
01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:39,480
Speaker 2: I was totally were, I was totally were. All right,

2472
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:41,760
Speaker 2: let's keep it going here. Hey, remember that weird guy

2473
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:43,440
Speaker 2: that I said would never appear on Have you seen

2474
01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:43,960
Speaker 2: this shit again?

2475
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:44,200
Speaker 1: Luke?

2476
01:54:44,240 --> 01:54:45,880
Speaker 2: I had to give in for this one. This is

2477
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:47,480
Speaker 2: a Scooby Doo inspired moment.

2478
01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:11,600
Speaker 1: I hate that guy. I hate that guy and his

2479
01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:16,800
Speaker 1: gross genitals. I hate that guy and how much you

2480
01:55:16,840 --> 01:55:18,040
Speaker 1: love his gross genitals?

2481
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:20,919
Speaker 2: All right, we got one more for you, Luke. Everybody

2482
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:24,240
Speaker 2: wants MK's live shows to come to their area, some

2483
01:55:24,360 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 2: people even from the heartland of America. Luke I went

2484
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:30,320
Speaker 2: to the future and took footage of us finally doing

2485
01:55:30,360 --> 01:55:33,080
Speaker 2: a live show right near the people, and you know,

2486
01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 2: like omaha or something. Let's check it out. Let's look

2487
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:36,240
Speaker 2: ahead to the future.

2488
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:54,600
Speaker 1: Shall that one again? Shall that one again? Tell that

2489
01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:57,000
Speaker 1: one again? Yeah? There's me, Now, which one are you?

2490
01:55:57,080 --> 01:55:59,640
Speaker 1: Are you? The dumbass on top of the car I

2491
01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:02,520
Speaker 1: think yeah, because that's Mikey on the Ones and Tuesday.

2492
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:07,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, oh yeah, that's great stuff. That's

2493
01:56:07,480 --> 01:56:08,600
Speaker 2: the ship. I think you've seen.

2494
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:12,040
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2495
01:56:12,040 --> 01:56:13,520
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2496
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2497
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2498
01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:19,120
Speaker 1: should mentioned it before we get out of here. You

2499
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Speaker 1: NBC any of the final thoughts.

2509
01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:49,760
Speaker 2: No, no, just you know, thanks for having Zoe on

2510
01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:50,600
Speaker 2: the shows, right Luke.

2511
01:56:51,640 --> 01:56:53,560
Speaker 1: Let's thank the crew, the maulk a crew that was

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01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:57,160
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, the Showtime folks that were in Las Vegas.

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01:56:56,040 --> 01:57:02,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good, yeah, good, asshole. Good. She's like, Yo,

2514
01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:07,160
Speaker 1: get the fuck up off me. You know, she calls you,

2515
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:10,600
Speaker 1: call you call her Zoe, she calls you Harvey Weinstein.

2516
01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:13,480
Speaker 2: That's really okay, okay, all right.

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01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:15,240
Speaker 1: All right, But when I think all of the crew,

2518
01:57:15,320 --> 01:57:17,680
Speaker 1: if from Showtime and Malka, that we're there to help

2519
01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:20,040
Speaker 1: make everything so smooth when we were in Las Vegas.

2520
01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:22,360
Speaker 1: We appreciate that you can follow the socials all below

2521
01:57:22,360 --> 01:57:25,800
Speaker 1: there on the screen. We're on TikTok, Instagram and Twitter

2522
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:28,080
Speaker 1: at morning combat and then BC and I have stupid

2523
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:31,040
Speaker 1: ass names on our various other accounts. All right, we

2524
01:57:31,120 --> 01:57:32,880
Speaker 1: see anything else on your mind before we go.

2525
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:35,960
Speaker 2: You know, it might be time to catch up on

2526
01:57:36,040 --> 01:57:38,160
Speaker 2: sleep from the weekend, but you know we're going to

2527
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:39,920
Speaker 2: be back with it. What's this weekend, Luke? I know

2528
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:42,320
Speaker 2: it's Anthony Joshua returning in boxing? What about him?

2529
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:45,200
Speaker 1: I have thought not even two seconds about it. I

2530
01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:47,600
Speaker 1: could not tell you did. I had to get so

2531
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:50,960
Speaker 1: a pfl this weekend, so I went to sleep at

2532
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:52,960
Speaker 1: one o'clock in the morning local and I had to

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01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:55,240
Speaker 1: get up at three fifteen, so I got like two

2534
01:57:55,280 --> 01:57:57,600
Speaker 1: hours and then I had to go catch my flight.

2535
01:57:58,120 --> 01:58:01,280
Speaker 1: Then flying on Southwestern. It's sort of like saying, hey,

2536
01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:03,480
Speaker 1: where do you live and you say a house, but

2537
01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:05,360
Speaker 1: you're actually just sleeping on their couch, you know what

2538
01:58:05,400 --> 01:58:10,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's you're crammed. My seat didn't recline,

2539
01:58:10,200 --> 01:58:11,880
Speaker 1: and it wasn't an exit row, by the way, it

2540
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:14,640
Speaker 1: was number the first fucking It was just awful.

2541
01:58:14,720 --> 01:58:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, first class, Luke.

2542
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:19,000
Speaker 1: You know, so, dude, the guy, here's what I understand.

2543
01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in the aisle row and there's someone sitting

2544
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:24,120
Speaker 1: in the window right, so the middle seat is open.

2545
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:26,520
Speaker 1: This guy who was not as big as me. I'm

2546
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:30,000
Speaker 1: six four and I'm solid to sixty maybe even two

2547
01:58:30,040 --> 01:58:34,960
Speaker 1: seventy maybe he uh, he sits down in the middle.

2548
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:38,160
Speaker 1: He's maybe six to twenty two thirty or so. He's

2549
01:58:38,200 --> 01:58:40,800
Speaker 1: a big dude. I'm like, there are other middle seats. Now,

2550
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:43,720
Speaker 1: obviously he wanted the extra leg room. But now I

2551
01:58:43,800 --> 01:58:46,600
Speaker 1: can't put my right arm backwards because he has to

2552
01:58:46,640 --> 01:58:49,760
Speaker 1: sit like this because he can't move either, So we

2553
01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:52,840
Speaker 1: were just immobilized for the entire four hour plus flight.

2554
01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:56,080
Speaker 2: Andrea Lee in the first round, when she had her

2555
01:58:56,200 --> 01:58:58,840
Speaker 2: arm pinning behind her back the whole the whole time.

2556
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:01,160
Speaker 1: It was like that. Bro it wass fucking awful. It

2557
01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:03,480
Speaker 1: was like that, and then there was traffic on the

2558
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:06,560
Speaker 1: BWI Parkway and so it was you know, I didn't

2559
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:09,200
Speaker 1: get to sleep. And then I went to the kite festival.

2560
01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:11,320
Speaker 1: I took two key to the kite festival. And then

2561
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:13,960
Speaker 1: she started crying because she hated kites. So that was

2562
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:14,520
Speaker 1: a waste.

2563
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:17,040
Speaker 2: You know, good thing you got up so early for

2564
01:59:17,080 --> 01:59:17,360
Speaker 2: that one.

2565
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, thanks to because I really appreciate this.

2566
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:21,040
Speaker 1: But she gave me a big kiss. It was great.

2567
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:23,320
Speaker 2: All right, well you she sent me a nice video

2568
01:59:23,400 --> 01:59:26,520
Speaker 2: of yeah, but you didn't even reply to Yeah I did. I.

2569
01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:28,640
Speaker 2: Oh see, I replied when I was on the plane.

2570
01:59:28,720 --> 01:59:30,120
Speaker 2: So it could have been one of those situations you

2571
01:59:30,120 --> 01:59:30,680
Speaker 2: didn't get through.

2572
01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:34,000
Speaker 1: It didn't get through. It didn't get through. Uh okay,

2573
01:59:34,280 --> 01:59:36,040
Speaker 1: all right, Well that is it for us, So thank

2574
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:38,240
Speaker 1: you everyone who saw everything we did in Vegas. We're

2575
01:59:38,280 --> 01:59:39,960
Speaker 1: back home for a little while, and then of course

2576
01:59:39,960 --> 01:59:41,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna get you ready for a couple of weeks

2577
01:59:41,320 --> 01:59:43,360
Speaker 1: with for UFC two eighty seven, but everything else in

2578
01:59:43,400 --> 01:59:46,440
Speaker 1: the in between, for Brian Campbell for CBS Sports Showtime

2579
01:59:46,480 --> 01:59:48,680
Speaker 1: and Malka I'm Luke Thomas, thank you guys so much

2580
01:59:48,680 --> 01:59:51,160
Speaker 1: for watching MK back on Wednesday with a live episode,

2581
01:59:51,200 --> 01:59:53,960
Speaker 1: and until then, may all of your gains be loyal