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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Elizabeth Dutton. Aaron Burnett got a question for him,

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Speaker 2: A girl, Yeah, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I do, stop right there, I do.

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 3: Nothing says clear skin like fried food.

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Speaker 2: I've heard that. I know, right, No, I heard the

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Speaker 2: opposite of that.

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Speaker 3: I am. I am a stickler for a skincare routine.

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Speaker 3: I'm a very traditional I don't do all the jazzy

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Speaker 3: news stuff, uh huh. And just putting that out there

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Speaker 3: about skincare. I've talked before about Kentucky Fried Chicken on

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Speaker 3: this show. Well, what do you think of when you

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Speaker 3: think of Kentucky Fried Chicken and skincare?

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Speaker 2: Teenagers? Teenagers serving you chicken? I worry about their skincare.

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Speaker 3: There's a company called dear Me Beauty like oh dear Me.

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Speaker 3: They it's an Indonesian beauty brand, and they joined forces

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Speaker 3: with KFC to launch a skincare collection. Ah okay, the

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Speaker 3: biggest one that they had, the big item that is

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Speaker 3: no longer available. I'm so sorry, is Aaron You're not

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Speaker 3: gonna be able to get it is a hydrating primer

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Speaker 3: sheet mask. You know those sheet mask things that make

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Speaker 3: you look like you're a villain.

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Speaker 2: I know what villains look like? A mask on.

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Speaker 3: Paper, it's like a wet paper mask.

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Speaker 2: No, I totally seen that. Yes, it's like it looks

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Speaker 2: like they're wearing a skin mask.

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Speaker 3: But it's completely So they made those with like the

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Speaker 3: little the kernel on like the cheekbone, so.

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Speaker 2: You can wear like a serial killer kernel.

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Speaker 3: Well you can wear it through the drive through. And

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Speaker 3: so it is supposed to be fragrance free.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know, I forgot my biscuits first.

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Speaker 3: Girks like they're just screaming and throwing biscuits in the car.

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Speaker 3: So it's got the logo. Uh, you know, this is

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Speaker 3: a whole chicken motif. They do still have a primer

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Speaker 3: sun stick, like a stick sunblock. Again, I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's scented, so I don't understand the point of this really.

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Speaker 3: And then they also they have like they had a moisturizer,

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Speaker 3: They've got makeup. They have an eye color palette that

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Speaker 3: has both blue and green in it. Just don't really

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Speaker 3: strike me as what I want to see in chicken.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. Blue and green those are usually

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Speaker 2: the signs of bad chicken.

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Speaker 3: Right, But make this make sense to me, Sarin.

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Speaker 2: I cannot, Elizabeth, why he brought this to me. All

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you is this is ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Who I Why do they have Kentucky Fried Chicken logos

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Speaker 3: on what looks to be sort of you know, middling

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Speaker 3: cheap makeup makeup brands.

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Speaker 2: You know what they should do. They should do the

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Speaker 2: same mask idea, but with one of those buffalo chicken

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Speaker 2: wing places. And then it's like that cereal Buffalo Bob

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Speaker 2: the Serial Killers, like it puts the chicken in the

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Speaker 2: bag or it will get the hose again.

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Speaker 3: Poor opening spices. And I don't know why they don't

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Speaker 3: just like clarify some chicken grease from the store from

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Speaker 3: the old the KFC down the street.

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Speaker 2: Like gee, like clarified butter and chicken.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's the new moisturizers.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to stop you right there.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I was waiting for someone to stop me

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Speaker 3: because I couldn't.

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Speaker 2: I got a ridiculous one for you. You got a second, yes, please,

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Speaker 2: it's about one of my favorite people me yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: my second favorite person, Jean michel besquiet. Oh yes, yes, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: There are katz out there who are not those kind

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Speaker 2: of jazz cats. They buy prints of paintings of John

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Speaker 2: Michelle's and uh buy them off the internet. They add

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Speaker 2: some paint they sign them, and then they try to

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Speaker 2: sell those fake paintings for millions of dollars. Oh you

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Speaker 2: know it's even more ridiculous. Huh it works.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, this is ridiculous crime.

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Speaker 2: A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons

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Speaker 2: It's always ninety nine percent motor free and one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: You damn right, yeah, Andy Warhol, Yes, Keith Herring, sure,

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Speaker 5: John Michelle, Baskie. Of course they all shared this certain quality.

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Speaker 5: You know what That quality was Elizabeth in the culture.

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Speaker 5: I'm not talking like, oh, they had the same dance moves.

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Speaker 5: I mean they had His quality in the culture was

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Speaker 2: They are all that that is it moribund and extent.

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Speaker 2: So no, they breathed new life into the stodgy, stayed

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Speaker 2: moneyed art world of the post abstract Expressionist period of

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Speaker 2: mid century big names were gone. Once Jackson Pollock, Lee

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Speaker 2: Krasner were gone. The energy in the art world it

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Speaker 2: Jasper John Side Twombly. When they exited the stage, what

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Speaker 2: do they leave behind after their moment in the mid

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Speaker 5: Thomas Well, Yes, that truly. They had Wayne Tebow and

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Speaker 5: David Hockney. Yes, Wayne, I know you love.

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Speaker 2: And I love Tebo's cakes, love Hockney's swimming pools. I'm

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Speaker 2: a like the lighting and the color, but it doesn't

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Speaker 2: have the same restless, disruptive, chaotic energy that I want

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Speaker 2: in my art. And I'm not alone in that. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of us who just want like to be

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Speaker 2: smacked by our artwork.

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Speaker 3: I feel like good art gets a strong reaction, either

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Speaker 3: positive or negative. So if you look at it and

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Speaker 3: you think, oh god, no, it's it succeeded.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so, that's good news for a lot of artists.

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Speaker 2: I know, right, I'm very generous now. Keith Herring his

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Speaker 2: visual style, all the loopty characters, the like little like

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Speaker 2: almost stick figure man, but just the outside lines. They

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Speaker 2: had a playful chaos, right, he would just like swirl

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Speaker 3: Uh. There was a lot of motion to that.

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Speaker 2: That of motion totally good point. Andy war even though

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Speaker 2: mostly black and white, a black line against a white background.

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Speaker 2: Still all this motion, all this energy. Andy Warhol commercially disruptive. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: mimicked everything, made everything, you know, just tongue in cheek,

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Speaker 2: like not even quite lambastic culture. But he definitely, like

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Speaker 2: you know, poked a health him out of fun.

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Speaker 3: It's a commentary on it, commercialism.

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Speaker 2: The emptiness of some of it, the importance of it,

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Speaker 2: of the things that we do not realize how important

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Speaker 2: they are to us. But he came to this naturally

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Speaker 2: because one the dude's from Pittsburgh. He grows up, turns

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Speaker 2: into this rest like Rascal refugee, goes to Madison Avenue,

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Speaker 2: and then pops back out and becomes a fine art painter.

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Speaker 2: So from him you get that that same chaotic energy

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Speaker 2: just from inside the machine. And then there's Jehan Michelle

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Speaker 2: Basquiat my man right now, he had his own visual grammar,

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Speaker 2: you know, like, yes, like you you see what his paintings,

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Speaker 2: you immediately know it's his. Now, Yes, he had sam

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Speaker 2: o born of the graffiti of the streets. But his

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Speaker 2: work is right on par with Picasso. He's like you

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Speaker 2: know a master. Now these cats they all, like I said,

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Speaker 2: same undeniable energy. What does that mean to us these days,

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth money Exactly. It means people want to own it. Now.

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Speaker 2: They're like, Oh, I don't want to just see it.

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Speaker 2: I want to go to the museum. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to be overwhelmed, but I don't want to touch my soul.

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Speaker 2: I want to possess it. Yes, can I show my friend?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: So some people want to compete and be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Bezos has this one, but I've got that one. You know.

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Speaker 2: That's what we've gotten to now. So that also means

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Speaker 2: that these are now the record holders in the art world.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, Basquiat, Warhol. They are the most expensive paintings

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Speaker 2: you can buy these days.

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Speaker 3: Really.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah? So, I mean you know what we say

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Speaker 2: around here when something becomes the most expensive there is

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Speaker 2: and the most valuable on the market, we hear ridiculous crime.

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Speaker 3: No, that means crime.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Elizabeth. Forgeries, frauds, all sorts of fun crimes. Now, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: you are provenances.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, I've discussed it before, the story of a thing, correct, Okay,

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Speaker 3: the paper trail really.

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Speaker 2: Totally Now, if you had to spontaneously come up with provenance,

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Speaker 2: you know, or better yet, fake one for millions. How

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Speaker 2: much fun would that be?

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Speaker 3: So fun?

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Speaker 2: Just like coming up with all the once owned by

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Speaker 2: a merchant marine captain.

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Speaker 3: I gotta be honest. I love forging documents.

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Speaker 2: I know you are.

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Speaker 3: I've forged a document before. I'm not going to discuss it.

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Speaker 2: Don't tell us which one.

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Speaker 3: I was so convincing and it got the job done.

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Speaker 2: Nice. There you go.

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Speaker 3: There it is.

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Speaker 2: Well when it comes to like provenance, I always like

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Speaker 2: to imagine, like coming up with provenance for stuff I own,

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Speaker 2: like like my used clothing from the goodwill, like this

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Speaker 2: was once owned by a housewife and the luth handmade cheat. No,

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Speaker 2: but anyway, is the attractive aspect of like people Why

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Speaker 2: they decide to fake a basket at painting, or why

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Speaker 2: they want to pull a fraudulent Warhol out of their

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Speaker 2: grandpa's addict or whatever. It's because provenance. The thing is

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Speaker 2: is these artists, they the provenance is really scant. It's

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Speaker 2: hard to establish for some of their works. Well, kind

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Speaker 2: Cubist of the last century, you know, the twenty the

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Speaker 2: beginning of the twentieth century, they have they would pay

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Speaker 3: They were cranking that stuff out exactly.

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Speaker 2: And then nowadays people will pay for a drawing. So

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Speaker 2: if they're sitting there paying their bar bill on the

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Speaker 2: back of a napkin and they did a drawing, the

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Speaker 2: only way you know it's true is if it's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Picasso's signature or some thing looks right. So what does

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Speaker 2: it mean when you started giving away art to friends, Well,

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Speaker 2: I got this from this friend of Picasso. I got

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Speaker 2: this from this and now we've gotten too. In Warhol's case,

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Speaker 2: it was the dumpster outside of his spot the factory.

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Speaker 2: People were like, oh, I fished this out of the

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Speaker 2: dumpster outside of Warhol's factory. Or with Basque Yacht, this

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Speaker 2: dude like to paint on all sorts of stuff. He'd

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Speaker 2: paint on doors, he paying on found objects, so it's

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Speaker 2: easy for them to find, like a helmet. Go oh, yes,

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Speaker 2: Baskiacht painted this, right, this football helmet I have. And

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Speaker 2: so if you're a fraudster, right and you're desperate to

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Speaker 2: establish provenance for something that may be worth millions of dollars,

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Speaker 2: it's always easy to go, oh, I found this in

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Speaker 2: a storage unit. I found this at the flea mark,

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Speaker 2: at the garage sale, the estate sale, yard sale, goodwill,

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Speaker 2: antique market, or you know, the home of your German

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Speaker 2: grandmother or whatever. Right now, for basque yacht, typically people go, oh,

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Speaker 2: you know, he traded this to me for a microphone.

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Speaker 2: You cannot prove that at all. How are you going

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Speaker 2: to prove that? Right? You shouldn't sign it. Then you

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Speaker 2: have the idea of like, so Keith Herring is always

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Speaker 2: oh that boyfriend I was I used to know his

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Speaker 2: ex boyfriend, his boyfriends gave this to me. So is

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Speaker 2: that provenance? That's what the art world is dealing with.

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Speaker 2: But they had these things worth millions, so they're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we've really put ourselves in a bind here. Yeah, So

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Speaker 3: One hundred and ninety And that's the Marilyn Monroe.

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Speaker 2: The Blue Maryland exactly right, So especially since Christie's all

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Speaker 3: Yes? Please to meet you.

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Speaker 2: I'd like you. Elizabeth, Please meet Danielle a Ley Boazis Bazzis.

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Speaker 2: He's the owner of Danielly Fine Art and Gallery Danielli. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: It's like some of those things where you can buy

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, and it's like some kids going

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Speaker 2: This looks exactly like dorms dorm wall art. And he

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Speaker 2: Danielle Fine Art, is located on Worth Avenue, which is

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Speaker 3: Like part of that art basel stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all of that right. So he's out there slanging

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Speaker 2: he's got his Artnet described his neighborhood is qute, a

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Speaker 2: So, as art net tells us, Danielle fine art was

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Speaker 2: quote decorated with velvet ropes, a red carpet, and over

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's going all too clear.

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Speaker 2: Hold up, Danielle Boisis is not just some eurotrash douchebag

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Speaker 2: Didn't look into that far, but yeah, he prefers surface

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Speaker 2: right like two years ago, I'm talking. You're longing to

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Speaker 2: It's all the same story.

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Speaker 3: You know what's better than one billionaire? Two billionaire Malcolm Baby,

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Speaker 2: So to charm all these suckers in amaze them who

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Speaker 2: these guys know very little about art. Danielle's gallery basically

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Speaker 2: According to the gallery he sold their work, and this

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Speaker 3: He's just all over the map. He's not like specializing

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Speaker 2: Certain If you got Monet Dega and mister Brainwash on

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Speaker 2: I find it's interesting for two reasons. One, he's an

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Speaker 3: Actually, that's my kind of embarrassment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's take a little break and I'll be

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Speaker 2: All right, Elizabeth, we're back by me.

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Speaker 3: So that's my ad.

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Speaker 2: That's a good one. So good bye things, by stuff,

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: That was fun.

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Speaker 3: That was really good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was just a few to get it. I

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Speaker 3: I want beautiful array. Yeah, tell me describe the beauty show.

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Speaker 2: Don't tell exactly. Thank you. So why did the FBI

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Speaker 2: Danielle bought online from a site called Live Auctioneers for

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Speaker 2: four hundred and ninety five dollars. Well, then this cat

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Speaker 3: No, four, twelve miilion.

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Speaker 2: That's quite the markup, he turns out. When the undercover

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Speaker 2: It did not, so it only confirmed suspicions the FBI.

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Speaker 2: They went to a remember of the Basquiat Authentication Committee

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Speaker 2: Now came the quote beautiful array of armored vehicles and agents.

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Speaker 2: And once he was in custody the Algerian born art dealer,

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Speaker 2: he copped his crimes faster than you can say, Wassily

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Speaker 2: the tip of our fraudulent iceberg. Okay, Elizabeth, you're ready

432
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 2: for the next amazing tale of art forgery.

433
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 3: Ready, ready, he fakes.

434
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 2: Okay, I'd like to take you to the foot of

435
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 2: a volcano. I'm sorry, I read that wrong. I'd like

436
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 2: to take you to the foot of a French vineyard,

437
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 2: to an art gallery called volcano. Oh, foot of a

438
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 2: French vineyard, sorry, a French vineyard.

439
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 3: There's a little bit of a difference there.

440
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,160
Speaker 2: In the French town of Nuit Saint George, which, as

441
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,880
Speaker 2: far as I know, nuit means night in French. Yes,

442
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 2: I thought it means like bone lumite, like good night,

443
00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 2: but this means makes it sound like Saint George, the Knight.

444
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 3: The night of Saint George.

445
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, am I over here? But imagine I'm having

446
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 2: an idiot's moment. Yeah, maybe in French isn't cheval.

447
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 5: Yes, it's a k and and then I figured k

448
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 5: night is chevalier and n night is and then M

449
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 5: knight and M knight chime on.

450
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, we got that cleared up. So you know what,

451
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,679
Speaker 2: as you would say, who knows who cares? Or as

452
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 2: the French would say, okay. Volcano the art gallery. It

453
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 2: was their first exhibition, right, the newly formed gallery has

454
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 2: this impressive location. They present thirty five previously unseen Basquiat drawings.

455
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 2: They're like, we got the goods, babies, come on down

456
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: to the gallery. So these works were Volcano on loan

457
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: from a burg Burgundian collector. Oh, Burgundian. Okay, yes, Dominique

458
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 2: Viiano and Dominique Viiano is the English. Okay, you have understand.

459
00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 2: This is English translated French news. So i'm it's awesome

460
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 2: because it sounds like French, but sounds like French. Run

461
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: through English like through a cheese grater of English. In

462
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 2: the small gallery, the drawings, made in pastel and in

463
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: Greece pencil are presented unframed in display cases. They are

464
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: mostly heads with bulging eyes and mixed colors. We find

465
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 2: they're the iconic symbols of Basquiat, crowns, teeth, a car,

466
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 2: and often crossed out words like radioactivity, rabelais, oriyan or cassiopeia.

467
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: But we immediately feel a slight discomfort in front of

468
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: these faces with overloaded colors, even scribbled, because they do

469
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 2: not let emerge the power of fear and revolt aroused

470
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 2: by the human figures transcended by the child of Brooklyn.

471
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 3: Yes, how French was that well? And the discomfort they highlight,

472
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 3: that is the thing you want. You want sometimes to

473
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 3: be in a state of discomfort viewing art, Yes, and.

474
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: With in Basciot's case, yes, in the case of these paintings,

475
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 2: different discomfort. So for your v viewing pleasure of it.

476
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 3: It's the discomfort of your wallet being lightened.

477
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 2: No worse than that. I got you a tease here.

478
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: So I was able to get my hands on a

479
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: comparison artwork that has one of the drunks for sale

480
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 2: that they had for sale this gallery right or on display,

481
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 2: i should say, and one of Bascot's originals, right, This

482
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 2: moscout original was sold for one hundred and seventeen million dollars.

483
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 2: The other one was a drawing claiming to be from

484
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 2: the same artist. And I want you to see if

485
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 2: you can tell me which is the fake and which

486
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: is the legit baskev ready, so left or right, it

487
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 2: looks like the stuff you find on a refrigerator your

488
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: friend's house who has children.

489
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 3: Like a disturbed child.

490
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: Oh I love this? This is what is this? You

491
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 2: to pretend like you can tell what it is? They

492
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: hopefully tell you what it is.

493
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 3: Well, it's a crocodile. You're like, oh, oh wow, of

494
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:49,959
Speaker 3: course it is.

495
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: That's why it's in the sky. Yeah, okay, So why

496
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,239
Speaker 2: does he have brexit written on him?

497
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 3: Right?

498
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: He's got br XT written Like, I'm like, stuff, what

499
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: do you just run out of inspiration? Or I think

500
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 2: of that?

501
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: He was for telling So you remember.

502
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 2: That Jesus renovation artist that you love so much.

503
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 3: I love that so much. You do not understand.

504
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: So they had the fresco. They had the woman come

505
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: into Jane, I will come in, I will renovate that.

506
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 2: She's telling him to be an art historian, renovator.

507
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 3: She's a cleaner, and she's like, this fresco's kind of

508
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 3: falling apart. Let me touch it up.

509
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: And so she decides, like to touch tell yeah, the

510
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: face and she turns it in.

511
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: It gives me life to see it. It makes me.

512
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 2: So that's what this painting does for me. It's so bad.

513
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 3: Get T shirts. I'll get mine the Melting Jesus and

514
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 3: then you you can get you know, alligator in the

515
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 3: sky with booths, and we'll.

516
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: Get a Linda that the Christiano Ronaldo statue. Yes, so

517
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: this show, it was the inaugural, as they told you,

518
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 2: inaugural exhibition for the Volcano Gallery. That's the type of

519
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: artwork that they have on display. The Gallas wire kicks

520
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 2: off and the art world comes ready to slew and

521
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: at all the previously unseen Basquiat artwork. And let me

522
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 2: tell you the art world they walked to a very disappointed, confused.

523
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 2: Some were mad Richard Rodriguez, a self described Basquiat connoisseur.

524
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: He told the TV news from France three that the

525
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: drawings on display were not only clearly fake, but they

526
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: were so bad they pissed him off in a very

527
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 2: French way.

528
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 7: They gave these drawings a childish side, as if Basquiet

529
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 7: were a schoolboy.

530
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: He railed to the France three News. And he ain't wrong.

531
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: If you saw the work, looks like someone doing an

532
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: impression of a child doing an impression of Basquiat.

533
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 3: Take if you put it in front of a kid

534
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 3: and say can you draw this? And you know, put

535
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 3: a real, baskeocht, you go now.

536
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: Do this and the kids like.

537
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 3: The kid's an overachiever, but not that much.

538
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 2: I know, like when they let elephants paint. It's like

539
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 2: Berdricu has continued to like it's his missing spontaneity. Baskeet

540
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 2: never mixed callers like that.

541
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 7: If Basquiat had done that, he would never have been famous.

542
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: He's just like dissing.

543
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 3: The color mixing is amazing.

544
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: It's not all the man had opinions. He also angrily

545
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: shouted to the news cameras and anyone who would listen.

546
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 7: These drawings, if they were from Basquiat, they would be

547
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 7: worth a five hundred thousand and two million euros each.

548
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 7: Did they buy them between five hundred and two million

549
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 7: euros each?

550
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: That's wrong? And me, I'm ready to testify in court

551
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: if it is necessary.

552
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: Yes, he's willing to go to the judge testify now.

553
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 2: Coincidentally, this man, Richard Rodriguez, he happened to unmask someone

554
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: for selling fake bascots before he did it. Way back

555
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four. He was at the prestigious Templon

556
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: Gallery in Paris to attend the International Contemporary Art Fair,

557
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: which is like a big deal. And he saw four paintings.

558
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: It seemed kind of hinky to him. He was like, no,

559
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: those are mad hinky. I know that's not So he

560
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: called them out right then and there, and he makes

561
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: a whole stink right, and he makes the scene. He's like,

562
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: these are on bascotes? What is this? Bull sugar? So

563
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: like turns out the paintings were indeed fake. So he

564
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 2: makes a name off of this. So ever since then

565
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 2: people have kind of gone to him as an expert.

566
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: Right, he's the unmasker, dude.

567
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: He was right, is that they were painted by a

568
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: former assistant to Basquiat. That's how they got the style.

569
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: So correct going to make some fast money from the suckers, right, Yeah,

570
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: so they wanted.

571
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: To turn a two to four to an eight, you know,

572
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: j P. I can't stop with the jay z.

573
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 2: I'm wind it. So as for the collector of the

574
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 2: thirty five previously unseen Baskeyot artworks, his name, as I

575
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: told you, Dominique Viiano. He is an interesting cat. This dude.

576
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: He went to art school, so he's got a taste

577
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: for this stuff. He went to the National School of

578
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 2: Fine Arts in Dijon, France. Which is also the home

579
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 2: of gray poopol and mustard from what if I'm not.

580
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: Am I right, that's the whole parton me. Yeah, you

581
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: having a gray poop up.

582
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: I was being ficial, but look at that. Okay. Anyway,

583
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 2: after art School of Vihann, he went on to work

584
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 2: as a professor and then a TV writer, and then

585
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: a producer and then a diamond dealer, you know, normal,

586
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: exactly quite the resume. If you asked him, he'd be

587
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: quick to tell you that he used to uh, he

588
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: used to party with Warhol, so I tell people that too. Yeah.

589
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 7: Yeah.

590
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: He also he was buddy buddy, but Carl Lagerfeld me too.

591
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: At one point he was the lover of Eve Si Laurent,

592
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: Eve Saint Laurent.

593
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: Excellent.

594
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, so was I, Like I said, quite the right.

595
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 2: You guys amazing.

596
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 3: Rasidas basically twinsies.

597
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, you guys would have a lot to

598
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 2: talk about. You should go to.

599
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: Prison, I really should.

600
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 2: This dude was confronted about his fake Baskeot artwork. Jhanna

601
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: said that he was blameless. He was like, if anyone

602
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: was a victim, I am the victim. So he didn't

603
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: have a French accent. But anyway, so Bianna told the

604
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: Radio France, I bought them from a French collector who

605
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: bought them themselves from an American collector, David Rosen. David

606
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: Rosen bought them mainly at the Mud Club from Jean

607
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 2: Michel Basquiat. Now you know, the Mud Club is the

608
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 2: old punk club, and it was like on the Lower

609
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 2: East Side. It's like this thing that's where Baskeat played

610
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: is damp plaid. So yes, you're gonna buy thirty five

611
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: drawings in the Mud Club for whatever thousand dollars. So

612
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: he claimed that the thirty five drawings some American bought

613
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: decades ago at the punk new wave club. And if

614
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: you can believe it, this dude has documentation to prove it.

615
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: So his paper were claimed that the American David Rosen

616
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: was at the Mud Club purchased at thirty five drawnks,

617
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: but not thirty five drawnks Elizabeth eighty nine drawings from

618
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: Basquiot the club and all at once, all once, And

619
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: in twenty two he unloads these drawings to a young frenchman,

620
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: you know, as one does in the same Antiene region

621
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: of France, to a few years later, then sold thirty

622
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: five of the drawings to Dominique Viano. That's the story.

623
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: That's why he's the victim.

624
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, it's tod to him.

625
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: That's the provenance. So one gallery owner brought up my question,

626
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: which is, no one in the world has so many drawings. Yes,

627
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: no one in the world owns so many drawings privately

628
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 2: or in a museum like nobody just wants drawings. So

629
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: that was the rationale of Nordine Zidant. I love the

630
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: name Norden Zadon. Anyway, Nordan's a galleries who exhibited basquet works,

631
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: and as someone who's exhibited him, he also knew some

632
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 2: of the tricks of the trade and like the hidden

633
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 2: costs that would come with an exhibition. So, as he

634
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: said in the Nuisan George's exhibition, there were fifty to

635
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: sixty million dollars.

636
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 7: It's just impossible. What value have these designs been insured for?

637
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 7: Let them show the insurance value to prove their good faith.

638
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 7: If they don't, then they are in bad faith. And

639
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 7: so what he means is it's really a good point

640
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 7: if an insurance company won't ensure them the artwork that

641
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 7: suggests the insurer doesn't believe they're real or isn't willing

642
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 7: to lose the money that they are worth and act

643
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 7: like they're worth ten hundred million dollars or whatever. So

644
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 7: when Nordin's don't exhibited basquias, the insurers made him add

645
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 7: bars to the windows of his gallery.

646
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: Oh really, he was like, where's the bars?

647
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 2: The French take art very seriously at by point, so

648
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: they did the legwork to confirm that this artwork was

649
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: legitimate or not, and the outlet France Culture they found

650
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: the young frenchman down in Burgundy who allegedly sold Viano

651
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: the thirty one to thirty five drawings because you'll find

652
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: two numbers in the press. Okay, so we were able

653
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: to end quote. We were able to find him via

654
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: Facebook account, young collector of st Etsienne who was supposed

655
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: to have sold them to Dominique Viiano. He refused to

656
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: answer our questions and appeared very concerned that he had

657
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: been identified.

658
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah I bet he was, oh yeah yeah.

659
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: While I was researching these stories, that came across this

660
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: next cat and he was just so lovably inept I

661
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: had to include him. So turns out this dude was

662
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: dealing with charges of tax avoidance and then everything's just

663
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: sort of spilled out. So meet Melbourne based art dealer

664
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 2: and evelmore Bida. So I may be pronounced it incorrectly.

665
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: So he was busted in the Ale of Jersey, the

666
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: English asle just off the coast of France. Yea, the

667
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: dude is a legit aging playboy turned art dealer.

668
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

669
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: Valmore Bida is a forty two year old do nothing

670
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: son of the ultra wealthy Australian family that got rich

671
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: selling imported Italian luxury goods to Australians. Wow, that was

672
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: back in the fifties. It's been a couple generations and

673
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: now they've fallen down to social lighte levels. So exactly,

674
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: fast forward to the early aughts. Valmore Bida is living

675
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: in Manhattan, wasting his family's money, throwing pop up gallery

676
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: art shows and being fabulously wealthy and acting like art

677
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: was his life, all right, And he was always in

678
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 2: the company of debutants and celebs like Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan,

679
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: friends of the show, and he was deep in the

680
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: life of whatever you call that being a socialite? Is

681
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: that even a thing anymore? To people?

682
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: Say?

683
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: A social life?

684
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if you're just if you're not motivated.

685
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: You got all this money, why not? Yeah, so he

686
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: was being the like the the socialite.

687
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go, it's a nice fromism for so.

688
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

689
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: Anyway, later on life caught up to Elmore Bidam. He

690
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: was still pushing arc but he's not as much fun anymore,

691
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: not as sexy and young. And by that I mean

692
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: he was selling fake Francis Bacon's and fake baskeouts for millions.

693
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: That's what he'd gotten to. No longer the pop.

694
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 7: Ups and hey, don't you see Georgia Armani this weekend?

695
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: No, none of that stuff. So this is all what

696
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: his life is about. And then he gets sued by

697
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: a hedge fund manager over some unpaid debts. That's everything

698
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: goes sideways. He ends up on trial. The dude goes

699
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: to pieces on the witness stand and he's just, oh,

700
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: but here, let's take a break.

701
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And the exactly.

702
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave you on the edge of the precipice

703
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: of a disbelief and suspense, if you will, and then

704
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: we'll be back after this little break, and I'll tell

705
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: you about how this man goes to pieces in a courtroom.

706
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: I can't wait.

707
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: Okay, Elizabeth, I promise you a courtroom seeing, and I

708
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: want you to understand that this man, this Valmore by

709
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: the he uh, this aging playboy, this this scion of wealth,

710
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: he had never probably had a moment like this in

711
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: his life. I mean, he just all of a sudden

712
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: was face to face with all the things he had

713
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: spent his misspent life on. Right, and he decides to

714
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: come clean. And you really mean it must have been

715
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 2: something a site to behold, right. Sure, But rather than

716
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: just tell you about it, Elizabeth, I'd like you to

717
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: close your.

718
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 3: Eyes as a clue and picture it.

719
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: You are in an English court roomer, but you are

720
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: not wearing a powdered wig, because you are the court artist. Yes,

721
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: you've recently changed jobs yet again. You're now working as

722
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: a court sketch artist, doing charcoal and pencil renderings of

723
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: the innocent and the guilty. And yes, you indeed bluffed

724
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: your way into this job. You don't imagine it'll last

725
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: very long, since every one of your sketches looks like

726
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: a stick figure. Some of the stick figures have mustaches,

727
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: some stick figures don't. The judge stick figure usually has

728
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: a gavel, so anyway, you're busy sketching the aging Australian

729
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: Playboy and the witness box the defendant valmor Bida, he's

730
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: accused of selling fake basket matterpieces, among many other things

731
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 2: in honor of Basquiat. You begin to write words on

732
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 2: your court room sketches and then cross them out. So

733
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: the winness recounts to the court all about the fake

734
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 2: paintings he's been hawking, some sold for millions. He tells

735
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: the court that.

736
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 8: Admits the lawing under oath when we made that statutory

737
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 8: declaration back in London on what was it okay, the

738
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 8: twelve to February twenty eighteen. Yes, I also agree that

739
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 8: each work of allt was a one hundred percent legally

740
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 8: and beneficially ownboy me. That's true too, and for the

741
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 8: purposes of obtaining work from the fine art.

742
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: Group, yep, I did all that, kriikey. So you had

743
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: a fistful of money to Val more Bida's stick figure drawing,

744
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: and then you add a stick figure crocodile, because why not.

745
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 2: As the witness is cross examined, the prosecutor makes hay

746
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: about the fact that the former Playboy has thus far

747
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: been dishonest, evasive, and proceeds to lay out all of

748
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: his evidence to the fact of why he should be

749
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: in prison. When he's asked to confirm some of this,

750
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: Valmore Biden says, yep, I did that. Yeah, that's all me.

751
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 6: Sounds a lot like when you lay it all out

752
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 6: like that sounds like a lot, mister prosecute lady. I

753
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 6: did all that you said, just like you said, and

754
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 6: I even did some more you didn't say, like what

755
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 6: about the daygall the renoirs.

756
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 2: The judge slams his gavel down. You snicker. This Aussie

757
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: playboys just owning the courtroom. His testimony is so doomed.

758
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: The judge stops. The defender tells him, may I remind

759
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: you so that you are not required to answer all inquiries,

760
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 2: stick to what questions are asked, because to be honest

761
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: with you, so you are going to jail now. At

762
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 2: two different points in the testimony, the Aussi playboy's own

763
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: lawyers interrupt him and tell him to shut up. Then

764
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 2: that was after the judge cautioned him that he didn't

765
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: have to keep saying everything he knew. But this cat

766
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: Valmore a bide it. He's like you're on it. If

767
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: you don't mind, I have not yet begun to hit

768
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: rock bottom. Now where was I? So? After he's done testifying,

769
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: the judge says, mister Valmore, bite, oh, lust for self

770
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: incrimination is strikingly unusual. Worriesome.

771
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 7: Even I would throw the book at you, but I

772
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 7: feel that you would enjoy it.

773
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: Please just get out of my courtroom. You get done

774
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: sketching with quite a laugh, and you, he says, you

775
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: own to if anything, if I think of anything else,

776
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: will be glad to call you. He's like, please don't.

777
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 2: And that is the end of Almore by his courtroom.

778
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: But what can I say if as you saw that

779
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: in the courtroom, the dude was hell bent to come clean.

780
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: He's just like, I got caught. I gotta tell you everything.

781
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: We've come across this a couple of times. Yeah, if

782
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: you ever been like that where he's just like, you know,

783
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: it's all over, You're undone, The jig is up, you're caught.

784
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: You're just like here here's everything. Oh, by the way,

785
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: some stuff you didn't ask, never caught.

786
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 5: Baby.

787
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 2: Well, I've saved the best one for last. This next

788
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: story coincidentally takes place in Florida. It's either Florida or

789
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: France toidy exactly. So the Orlanda Museum of Art was

790
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: planning a huge new exhibition of Basquiat paintings, lots of publicity,

791
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: et cetera. The art was reportedly a rare fine and

792
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: a storage unit. It would belonged to a brother who

793
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 2: knew Bosquiocht. They were friends. He was a former TV

794
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: writer for Sesame Street in Mash. This cat claimed he

795
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: had proof that the works were legit. What was the

796
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: proof that he had? Elizabeth a poem.

797
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 3: Although in the well known connection between Basquiot and Sesame Street, Yeah.

798
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: Totally and Mash writers. Yes, so he had rhyming versus

799
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: his receipt of purchase. Now this sounds like something from

800
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: one of your dreams, you know, like a public television

801
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 2: writer claims he has lost multimillion dollar fortune in street

802
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: art in a storage unit that he can prove is

803
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: authentic with a poem.

804
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: Yes, that dreams.

805
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: So anyway, so this guy, they had controversy ERPs, hundreds

806
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: of millions of dollars around the line. So what happens?

807
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: So in February twenty twenty two, the Orlando Museum of

808
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: Art they announced certain big new shows. They told you

809
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: the heroes and monsters Jean Michelle basciat the show is

810
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: supposed to have twenty five new basquiacht works no one

811
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: has ever seen. Art appraisers are like, oh my god,

812
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: these are amazing. They put the value of the work

813
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 2: it estimated one hundred million dollars.

814
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: Wow.

815
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: Yes. Now, in May of last year, the FBI walked

816
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: in and shut the party down. They do not literally,

817
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: I mean they let the museum have its big night.

818
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: But then weeks later the FBI agents came in. They

819
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: confiscated everything. They said, here, could contact us later so

820
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: or we'll be in touched.

821
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

822
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: So anyway, the works in question were mixed media works.

823
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 2: They were paintings on top of scavenged cardboard. So they

824
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: told you baske I would find anything a paint on it.

825
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: So in this case, it was a bunch of cardboard

826
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: boxes that were like story bocks, totally tracks. Right, one

827
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: was attended square an there was a five foot disembodied

828
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: head painting. Right, So various sizes of cardboard, So the

829
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 2: story goes. Basque art artwork was purchased by the TV

830
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: writer back in nineteen eighty two. The dude's name was

831
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: Thad Mumford, and I'm assuming that's short for Thattius Fattius Mumps, right,

832
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 2: Thattius Mumfort. So according to the probonauts he claims to

833
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: be true, this Mumford sands Suns. He gave Baskeocht five

834
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in nineteen eighty two to buy twenty five

835
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: paintings that Basquiat allegedly painted in his basement studio while

836
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: he was staying in the home of the La Art

837
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: dealer Larry Gagosian, who his history. So at that time

838
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 2: the Ghosian was planning a big Boscocht show, was letting

839
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: Yardist stay there and to work uninterrupted. The money in

840
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: the business change between the two men was not traditional.

841
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: We'll just believe it at that, as Gagosian would say later,

842
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: it was the way he chose to be paid in

843
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 2: cash or in barter with clothes or like he'd say,

844
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: buy my girlfriend a trip to Paris. So that's like

845
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: how that's why it's a difficult to establish provenance, because

846
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: how do you go, here's the receipt for the trip

847
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: I bought for the girl for Paris that paid for

848
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: the paintings. He got my point. So anyway, following that

849
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: same business model, apparently Thad Mumford bought works from Basquiacht

850
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: informally and he put the works in his storage unit,

851
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: which he kept until twenty twelve, and then it was

852
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: auctioned off for non payment. The contents were purchased by

853
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: bargain hunters scouring storage units. In this case they may

854
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: have gotten very lucky because the storage unit purchased fifteen

855
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: thousand dollars inside maybe artworth one hundred million dollars.

856
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 3: Story went assaulted. It was whatever became a hymn.

857
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: Oh, he fell on hard times. He's a writer in

858
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: Hollywood and he was black at that time. He fell

859
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: on hard times and eventually his health failed him and

860
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: he died. But before that happened at the heart of

861
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: the controversy the poem. Remember, according to provenance, Mumford TV

862
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 2: writer at the time working on mash He was one

863
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: of a small number of black TV screenwriters. I told you,

864
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: and so Basquiat and he they meet and they hit

865
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: it off as like being like young black creatives, and

866
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: they have the friendship, and they decide, you know, to

867
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: mark their friendship, they exchange paint and he writes a poem.

868
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: And then so the director of the Orlando Museum of

869
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: Arts is the poem is quote almost like a receipt.

870
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: It refers to the works, it refers to the inscriptions

871
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: in the works, it refers to the time. I've absolutely

872
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 2: no doubt, right, So they say that it's wrote the poem.

873
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 2: The Mumford writes the poem. JMB signed the poem. There's

874
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 2: MB in wax pen on the on the poem signed

875
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: it in the oil sticks.

876
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 4: Right.

877
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: So the poem, though, wasn't in the storage unit with

878
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: the paintings. According to the buyer of the storage unit,

879
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,479
Speaker 2: they tracked down Mumford later and they asked him about

880
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: the artwork, and so can you imagine that conversation.

881
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

882
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: But hey, so, I'm like a scavenger on fresh carry on,

883
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: and I bought all of your possessions in a liquidation sale,

884
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: and I wanted to ask you about all your stuff

885
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: you couldn't afford to keep. I think some of them

886
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: may be worth millions. Do you have more information for me?

887
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 3: Did you see me on storage Wars?

888
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 2: So apparently Mumford, Oh.

889
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 5: My god, for him, right, yeah, So he tells the

890
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 5: new owner of his stuff that he wrote the poem

891
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty two to serve as a receipt for

892
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 5: the purchase, is what the new owner claims.

893
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: No, we don't have this word from Mumford because he

894
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: died before any of this becomes interesting public knowledge. Yes,

895
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: so let me tell you it's not a great poem,

896
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: all right. So I'd like to think that it's not his.

897
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: It's personally it means like a receipt. So here's a sample,

898
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 2: some words, the start of a new day, no longer outsiders,

899
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: industry insiders, golden crowns receiving what so, yeah, that's not it,

900
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: conscious up the iconic images of the radiant child, the

901
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 2: clown Basquiat stuff, right, and.

902
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 3: Apparently some of these lines writer yes.

903
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 2: And then later on he mentions, coincidentally the exact number

904
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: of paintings sold and identified them and their value by

905
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: lines in the poem twenty four paintings bringing riches sing along,

906
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 2: Doctor thad thing gos sing along. The poem came inspired

907
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 2: line that really fails to capture his like iconoclastic energy,

908
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: but it does its best impression. It's like a dollar

909
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: store Halloween costume. Right, so you get this, Oh, how

910
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: grand we feel, Oh, how our lovely? Our life will

911
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: be a baseball, a bird, a television, our play, a

912
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: future bright That's the end of the poem. Okay, Now

913
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: I think that poem would have been awesome if the

914
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: last line actually was a baseball, a bird, a television,

915
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 2: or play a future brick. That would be dope, right anyway.

916
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: So you just need some workshopping.

917
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: Oh some it needs a workshop on top of a workshop,

918
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: burying this poem for no one ever see, and then

919
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: they just talk about the poem underneath this workshop was

920
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: a great poem anyway. Aaron de Groft, director of the

921
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: Orlando Museum of Art, he was convinced by this poem.

922
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, it's brilliant. Are you can't eaven me

923
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: the best? Ya? Yeah, I don't know, so, d Groff said.

924
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: Quote the poem is almost like a receipt. It refers

925
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: to the works, it refers to the inscriptions of the works,

926
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: it refers to the time. Right. So, except that that's

927
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: not the story, because Mumford's family and friends give when

928
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 2: they are asked about this, that he didn't collect art,

929
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 2: that he never mentioned Basquiat or having friendships with him,

930
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: he'd never mentioned buying any of his art. Also, he

931
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: didn't type, so the poem was hand typed and I've

932
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 2: been printed on dot matrix paper.

933
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: I'm developing a series.

934
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: According to a fellow writer who knew him, quote Fad

935
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: wrote on legal Pad, we started back in the seventies,

936
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: before there were computers and a lot of people sent

937
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: stuff to typists. And that same fellow writer also added

938
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: that I never saw that type a single letter that

939
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 2: as a technophobic as anybody I've ever met. He didn't

940
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: own a computer. So it's looking bad. Right. So there's

941
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: all that. Then there's the new owners. You're ready for

942
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: the new owners. There's Pierce O'Donnell. He's the high power

943
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: lawyer in LA who does celebrity divorcess represented Angelina Jolie

944
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: and her divorce from Brad Pitt and Amber Heard and

945
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: her divorce from Johnny Depp. He's there. His partner's William

946
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: Force and Art's an antiques dealer who is also like

947
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: a picker. He goes around the country buying stuff. He's

948
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: got a financial backer, Lee Magnan, who is a salesman

949
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 2: who calls himself a retired salesman. He's the money guy

950
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: right now, Both Forrest and Magnan had different names in

951
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: the past because they have done time in prison for

952
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: felony drug trafficking. But yeah, so Forrest was busted in

953
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three. Then he was known as William Parks.

954
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: He got caught bringing a half ton of pot into

955
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 2: Miami from Jamaica via speedboat. Magnan was busted twice, once

956
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy nine and again two decades later in

957
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one, both times for cocaine trafficking, and in

958
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six the sec Just for good measure, this

959
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: is the Security Exchanges Commission, not the Football Division. They

960
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: arrested him for securities fraud. He made eight million dollars

961
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: by selling fake stocks. He has since been banned from

962
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 2: the securities exchange industry for life. So he moved onto

963
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: dealing art. So his lawyer has arguing, and I have

964
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 2: to agree with the simple fact of this one point

965
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 2: which his client has a checkered pass, but that should

966
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: not indicate guilt on his case. Sure, but with this

967
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: part of.

968
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 3: A larger pattern exactly so on.

969
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 2: Their side, the new owners, they do have a battery

970
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: of experts. They have a handwriting experts who say that

971
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 2: is definitely jmb's signature on the poem.

972
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 3: Now the picker guy, yes, is he the one who

973
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: bought the store? Okay, so it wasn't like that they

974
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 3: had storage bakers. Okay, I got it.

975
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: So then there's the former assistant Basketot, John Sneid. I

976
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: was a Bascot's man Friday. He was his chauffeur, his gopher,

977
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: his art prep assistant. He would prepare. It's like he

978
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: can look into a painting and say, oh, yeah, I

979
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: remember when I just sowed that, right.

980
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

981
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 2: So first time he met baskeyat, the painter was naked, right,

982
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: So Snead recalled when I met John Michelle Basciat in

983
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: the Fall in nineteen eighty two, he came to the

984
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: door naked. I had been sent to Venice, California, where

985
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: Jehan was living in a former art gallery. Just a

986
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: few days before, I had been hired by art dealer

987
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: Larry Gagosian, and he'd seen my first Basquiat painting, Skull

988
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: now in the broad collection at his gallery. Larry had

989
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 2: explained to me that John needed some help around the studio. Right,

990
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: So this guy, he's there at this moment, right, yeah,

991
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: John Michelle. He leads this guy on a naked tour

992
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: and shows this is how I'm gonna be right, and

993
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: this guy Sneid gets used to this. This is so

994
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: he has all these crazy stories of him exchanging stuff,

995
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 2: and you would think maybe a poem in exchanging art

996
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: and all this would have possibly been there. No, Snead's

997
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: account of Boscat's time does fit Mumford's narrative how he was,

998
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: but there's no much to Mumford or any anything about like,

999
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: oh weh that he has a new friend. None of

1000
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 2: this right. So when I was reading a Snead's blog,

1001
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: I saw a picture of the Bosquiat studio in Venice

1002
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 2: and I realized I lived three blocks from where he stayed. Really,

1003
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 2: I tripped the hell out. I was like, oh my god.

1004
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 2: It was like I kind of had a little art

1005
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: geek fan where I was like, oh my god. We

1006
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: saw the same buildings, we walked the same pass to

1007
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 2: the beach, We saw like the same people were slinging

1008
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,479
Speaker 2: weed on the corner, because I'm sure they were still

1009
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: there in nineteen eighty two.

1010
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 3: Anyway, that's amazing.

1011
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: So back to our baskeyot mystery so the Orlando Museum's

1012
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: paintings legit or not? Elizabeth Well, did that Mumford actually

1013
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: buy the artworks and hang out with Bosquiot and write

1014
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: uninspired poetry about them. To answer that question, which to

1015
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: turn to FedEx? Oh, specifically the FedEx font into.

1016
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: London Leader, isn't that hell Vetica?

1017
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: Uh No, we'll get into that. He is a brand expert,

1018
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 2: a design guy, and The New York Times reached out

1019
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: to him about this theory. He put forward, he didn't

1020
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: look at the painting and tried to prove them to

1021
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: be fake. He looked at the cardboard they were painted on,

1022
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: and he said, I see something that no one else

1023
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: has spotted yet. I know that this is not true.

1024
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: These cannot be So the what did he see? The

1025
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 2: hidden narrow, the typeface, the hidden arrow and ptinu accent.

1026
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: So as a brand expert, Linden Leader knew in a

1027
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: way that just like four other people on earth, would

1028
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: know that exactly what typeface FedEx was using on its

1029
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: shipping boxes in nineteen eighty two. That was the year

1030
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 2: that they a year before they switched their type faces.

1031
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: Now on the back of one of the paintings, there's

1032
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 2: a FedEx label that reads a line top of FedEx

1033
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: shipping label here and this typeface that didn't exist until

1034
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four. Now, how does Linden Leader know that?

1035
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 2: Why is he one of these rare people? Know that?

1036
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: Because he was the person who redesigned the typeface for

1037
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: the company back when they were known as Federal Express.

1038
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: Wow.

1039
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: He was senior designer at Landor Associates and he handled

1040
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: the redesign for FedEx, So he literally created the typeface.

1041
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: He goes, I know that do not exists in nineteen

1042
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: eighty two.

1043
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 3: And he bores everyone he knows with talk of Kerning.

1044
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: Yes, totally. Babor of Record reached out to him for

1045
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 2: his professional opinion. Lynden Leeder told The Times, it appears

1046
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: to be set in the universe sixty seven bold condensed.

1047
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: So that's the typeface named for the purple FedEx lettering

1048
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: we all know in love and in eighty two. According

1049
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: to him, that they were not using universe at that time.

1050
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: So when the director of the Orlando Museum of Art

1051
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 2: was asked about this unfortunate little fact, I think the

1052
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: cardboard and the paintings couldn't have possibly been together at

1053
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: the same time. In space time. He said, the cardboard

1054
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 2: is legit. So just like in Sea Hammer's dance moves,

1055
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: the cardboard has been ruled too legit to quit. So

1056
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 2: the museum director, de Groff did add, I believe deeply

1057
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: that these are authentic bask yachts. I can't answer the

1058
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 2: question on FedEx. There's an anomaly there. The group has

1059
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: even suggested that FedEx use various fonts throughout the eighties.

1060
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: Get out of here now.

1061
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: When the New York Times ask museum director what he

1062
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: was talking about, de Groff's quote did not respond to

1063
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: a request this week for his source on the FedEx

1064
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: font usage.

1065
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 3: This is truthiness.

1066
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: I just love that fad angle to have all of them.

1067
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: Is the board chair for the Orlando Museum of Art.

1068
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: They told the Orlando Sentinel, Let's not focus on the artwork.

1069
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 2: There are far more important things, like the fact that quote,

1070
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: attendance is up, diversity is up. Shop sales are up.

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Speaker 2: People are enjoying themselves, which is very important to us.

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Speaker 2: It supports our mission.

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Speaker 3: So the museum says, let's not focus on the artwork.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because Elizabeth diversity is up, shop sales are up,

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Speaker 2: and look at all the people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exit to the gift shop.

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Speaker 2: That's their mission shop sales tickets, you know, and that's

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Speaker 2: one hell of a mission you got there, Orlando.

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Speaker 3: Pay attention.

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Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, do you see something called the

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Speaker 2: Basqueaute Authentication Committee And they handled issues like this one

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Speaker 2: except for the Bascotist estate closed the authentication committee because

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Speaker 2: it was all the legal costs and hassles of going

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Speaker 2: through needless lawsuits and counter lawsuits from all these yahoos

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Speaker 2: who go, no, no, this is trueis are totally true,

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Speaker 2: and they counter soon and they're like, we can't afford

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Speaker 2: all these lawyers. Yes, because you want to get ten

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Speaker 2: million dollars off of cardboard. You had your cousin paint.

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Speaker 2: So also Andy Warhol Boscot's old sparring partner, he is

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Speaker 2: the state has also killed his authentication committee, so you know,

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Speaker 2: same reasons. So you know, buyer beware, and also expect

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Speaker 2: more of this nonsense in the future. Watch this space.

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Speaker 2: What's a ridiculous takeaway, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: I have a theory about the storage space. Yes, I

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Speaker 3: think that the guy got the storage space, the picker man, yes,

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Speaker 3: and then saw something in there that kind of gave

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Speaker 3: him an idea that this was a black creative in

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Speaker 3: early eighties New York and then just invented this around it,

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Speaker 3: and poor fellow poor I think.

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Speaker 2: That the poem is hinky and the whole dot matrix

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Speaker 2: aspect of it because it has like the little like

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Speaker 2: you know, the punch holes on the side. Looked at

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Speaker 2: it and I was like, see, that's the part they's

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Speaker 2: supposed to make me not ask questions, and that's the

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Speaker 2: part that makes.

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Speaker 3: Me ask exactly. They're like, oh, let's get some old paper,

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Speaker 3: so they grab the you know, a sheaf of that

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Speaker 3: stuff and then boom man lazy. So there you go,

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Speaker 3: they're so lazy.

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Speaker 2: All of that about that, Yeah, I don't like. I

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Speaker 2: hope you enjoyed this one because I love that.

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Speaker 3: I really enjoyed this one. I love best yet too.

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Speaker 2: I know you do, so I thought you would. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: you can always find us online if you'd like a

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Speaker 2: ridiculous crime on Twitter and Instagram. We got a website,

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Speaker 2: ridiculous Crime dot com. Emails if you want a ridiculous

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Speaker 2: crime at gmail dot com. And if you do and

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Speaker 2: you ask real nice, we'll give you a producer Dave's

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Speaker 2: phone number. No we won't, but Anyway, thanks for sharing

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Speaker 2: a laugh with those rude dudes, and until next time,

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Speaker 2: mind the gap. Ridiculous Crime. It is hosted by Elizabeth

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Speaker 2: Dutton and Aaron Burnette, produced and edited by former Australian

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