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Speaker 1: Fellow Ridiculous Historians. We are so excited that you have

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Speaker 1: looked around all the candidates for podcasting and you have

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Speaker 1: voted to join us for today's classic episode. This is

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Speaker 1: a special one for us, man, because somebody else joined

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Speaker 2: That's right, Christopher Rasiotis is here not only in spirit,

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Speaker 2: but in the flesh corporeally to talk about history's coolest

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Speaker 2: non human political candidates.

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Speaker 3: Part one of two. Yeah, we get super into this one, Ed,

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Speaker 3: you know what. I wish we could do an update,

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Speaker 3: but no spoilers. We'll see if we get to it.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so tune in and let us know some of

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Speaker 1: your favorite non human political candidates. Ridiculous History is a

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. Welcome to the show, Ridiculous Historians and

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Speaker 1: hopefully fellow animal lovers. This episode is going to maybe

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Speaker 1: knock your socks off, or at least maybe you'll take

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Speaker 1: your socks off while you're listening to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Ben, are you what kind of animal person are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty much every animal person real, Yeah, except for

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Speaker 1: the tales of rats and possums bother me as they should.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but other than that, I'm I'm super into

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Speaker 1: pretty much every animal.

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Speaker 2: Se you're a bit of a doctor dolittle figure.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but I've been thinking about life lately, Nolan.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I should be a doctor do more. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I'll get sued Ben. That's very good. That's very good.

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Speaker 1: I like what you did there.

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Speaker 2: I cat person, I guess a fair weather cat person.

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Speaker 2: They kind of just they sort of drift around my periphery.

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Speaker 2: They don't really bother me too much. There's the occasional meal.

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Speaker 2: I'm an indoor outdoor cat person, so not as much

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Speaker 2: appreciate your commitment to the animal kingdom.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, where would we be without animals? As a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, where would we be without our super

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Speaker 1: producer Casey Pegram, who, if ever an animal is probably

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Speaker 1: Muppet Show. He plays drums about as aggressively. This is true.

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Speaker 2: Casey has an incredible drummer.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this is true. We actually have a lot of

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Speaker 1: today is not.

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Speaker 1: Right right, today is another kind of very special day.

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Speaker 1: As you can tell from whatever of writing the title

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Speaker 1: of this episode, as we are exploring a very particular

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Speaker 1: And one thing that's great about this podcast is NOL

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Speaker 1: and I are not launching out on this endeavor alone.

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Speaker 1: We are joined by our returning guest, longtime friend of

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Speaker 1: the show, fellow ridiculous Historians give it up for Christopher hasiotis.

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Speaker 4: Hey, good afternoon, good evening. If you're listening in the evening,

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Speaker 4: good morning, we're waking you up. And if you are

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Speaker 4: sleeping to this podcast, just keep on sleeping. No, wake up,

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Speaker 4: wake up. I don't think this is a good.

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Speaker 2: Sleeping podcast because it's a little toophrenetic. Yeah, we're too

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Speaker 1: Ah yeah, wake up. We could do an ASMR, you know,

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Speaker 1: lower the voice quiet, Steve, you.

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Speaker 2: Want to talk about some animals?

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Speaker 4: You dogs?

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Speaker 2: You know what I discovered the other day? What a podcast? Well,

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Speaker 2: it's called Sleep with Me. Have you heard of this?

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Speaker 4: Is that just a text? You got?

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Speaker 2: So if if you're looking for a podcast to sleep too,

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Speaker 2: I recommend Sleep with Me American Public Media.

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Speaker 1: But not this podcast.

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Speaker 2: No, definitely not this podcast.

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Speaker 1: So Christopher, earlier you had given us this amazing idea.

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Speaker 4: There are a lot of ways that people around the

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Speaker 1: Okay, so our rules of engagement then would be ideally

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you you you underestimate the ridiculousness of human history

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Speaker 2: Oh I get to go first. Oh please, you're nominating me? Okay, well,

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Speaker 4: On hereby declare it shall be nol.

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Speaker 2: It's been Casey on the case in the case. Literally

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Speaker 2: guys ever heard of Pigasus the immortal pig? Yeah, Pigasus

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Speaker 2: the Immortal I'm did you say Pegasus? No, Pigasus, my friend, Pigasus.

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Speaker 2: Youth International Party aka the Yippies. Yep, yep, yep.

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Speaker 2: but there was a cover story about this whole Yippie

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, I mean I haven't even like balved

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Speaker 2: Well that you know, that just shows where your mind is,

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Speaker 2: There's a picture of the cops wrangling this this boy

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Speaker 2: He packs a lot of substance in there. Yeah, in

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing exactly. So, just as for a

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Speaker 1: Pink oink oink.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, so this is a nice kind of tongue in

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Speaker 1: I think Nolan I mainly have animals, but you've got

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Speaker 4: so a little bit before Pigasus had his his day

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Speaker 1: Old I will rewind that. We we say that again.

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Speaker 4: A foot Powder, a talc a talcum, a nice white,

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Was okay?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a specific brand. It's called pull Ups Talco

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Speaker 4: pull Ups means foot powder, powder of the feet. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't want to toss out their slogans, but same thing

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Speaker 4: Okay, wow, Well here's the thing. Okay, so the day

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Speaker 4: He's wearing a suit and a bow tie, giant foothead

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Speaker 1: It's weird that he has arms, it's weird.

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Speaker 4: And one hand is giving the thumbs up, the other

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Speaker 1: This is cool.

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Speaker 4: This is the stuff of nightmares.

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Speaker 2: Was this like like a publicity stunt by the foot

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Speaker 4: And when the votes were tallied, yeah, there were a

438
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Speaker 4: lot of these foot powder ballots in there, but they

439
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 4: were tossed out real persons over That's like.

440
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Speaker 2: Some Russian meddling in the election right there, my friend,

441
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Speaker 2: I mean, did they not get in trouble with the

442
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Speaker 2: government for doing this?

443
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Speaker 4: So I actually looked into it, and there's not a

444
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Speaker 4: lot more out there, especially not in English. There's not

445
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Speaker 4: a lot in Spanish. I tried to dig into some

446
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 4: some Spanish language newspapers and couldn't find much, and I

447
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 4: actually emailed the city of Posa got no response. The

448
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 4: municipal website it actually goes into a good amount of

449
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 4: detail on the town. But it's a certain incident in

450
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 4: nineteen sixty seven for which I would think they're most

451
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 4: well known.

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Speaker 1: I would either hire slash promote the person behind that

453
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 1: ad campaign, or have them kicked out of the country.

454
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: That's just you can't mess with the vote that way.

455
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: But that's brilliant.

456
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 4: But kicked out with a nice, dry, hygienic foot.

457
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, because literally the stuff spread like

458
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 2: wildfire after this thing, Right, you got a powder your feet, man.

459
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Speaker 2: I want to know what their market share became after

460
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: this incident.

461
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Speaker 1: I want to know if they'll sponsor US.

462
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. Yeah.

463
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's pretty humid here in Atlanta too.

464
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Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. That's amazing though. Okay, so we've

465
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Speaker 1: got foot powder for president, We've got.

466
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Speaker 4: Mayor the municipal municipal councilman, Yes, excuse me, So the

467
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 4: story is mayor not so true, kind of true, but

468
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 4: still ridiculous.

469
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Speaker 1: Pig for president, foot powder for mayor. Sure, let's say

470
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: let's just say maynor, mayor Ish mayor esque. So far, Ben,

471
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: who are you voting for? Pig or foot powder? Foot powder?

472
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 2: Cool?

473
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm just I also like that it's an

474
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: idea that it's not just one particular box or tube

475
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: of foot powder. It's the concept of foot powder, which

476
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: is pretty neat to vote for something that abstract. I

477
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: have something I thought you guys would be very interested in.

478
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 1: It is a story that comes to us from West Texas,

479
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: a little town called Lahitas. And in Lahitas, this is

480
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: an area about the size of almost Connecticut, right with

481
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Speaker 1: maybe ten thousand people, and it's very small. In the seventies,

482
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Speaker 1: if you walked by the Lahitas Trading Post, you would

483
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: tend to see a lot of the same people, a

484
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: lot of the same conversations occur. How's the weather, did

485
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: you see the game? Stuff like that.

486
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, small town. Everyone knows each other. Did you hear

487
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 4: the news about Ecuador they elected the foot powder?

488
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: Yes? Ahaha, Yes, so you were there.

489
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,479
Speaker 2: You were there, Christopher, I've been to Texas.

490
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: I've been to Texas. But they also had their own

491
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: versions of local celebrities, and one of them was a

492
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: fellow named Clay, Henry Clay Henry. The first Clay Henry

493
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: hung around at the Lahita's Trading post for years and years,

494
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: and in nineteen eighty six he entered politics. His qualifications

495
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: included a love of alcohol, and the race for mayor

496
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: was organized by a man named Walter Mischer, who was

497
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: a Houston businessman, and he thought, you know, it would

498
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: be a good promo thing, good pr Right.

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00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Clay Henry's getting involved in politics. It's a

500
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 4: good name. It's a good, solid kind of a political name.

501
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: I think it is a great political name. You're right

502
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: about that, Christopher. But he was perhaps best known this

503
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: goat for his consumption of booze upwards of forty beers

504
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: a day.

505
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Ben, we rewind a bit, did you say goat?

506
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: Yes? Oh?

507
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: Did I not mention that part as in greatest of

508
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: all time?

509
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: Well, at least in Texas. There's a couple of different levels. Yeah,

510
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: he's a goat.

511
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 4: WHOA wait a minute, All right, you buried the lead here, man.

512
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: Klay Henry is a drunk, belligerent goat.

513
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: Okay.

514
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: His qualifications include drinking a cartoonish amount of beer and

515
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: I quote, headbutting constituents without provocation, not only is he

516
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: famous in this town, but he's he's famous in the region.

517
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: People would come to see, you know, to have a

518
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: beer with the mayor. And he was known for walking

519
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: around the trading posts and other places in town. And

520
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: if someone didn't hand him a beer, he would just

521
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: find someone and take it, find their drink and take it.

522
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: And there's a great article in the Houstonia by Peter

523
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: Holly that describes the experience with the first Clay Henry

524
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety two. Because he was mayor for essentially

525
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: the rest of his life. I never actually witnessed Clay

526
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: Henry drink a beer. I did see him slam them,

527
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: guzzle them, and ferociously ingest them at a rate capable

528
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: of incapacitating a full grown man in minutes. To see

529
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: it in person was nothing short of incredible.

530
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: Do you think a shotgun them or funneled them to Yes? Yes, really,

531
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: yeah I could.

532
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 4: I could see a goat just just eating the whole can,

533
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 4: just a full cann of beer, or just chomp, chomp, chump.

534
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: So not only is he a physical goat, he is

535
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: also a goat greatest of all time. Yeah, when it

536
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: comes to being a goat, that drinks greatest of all Texas.

537
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: There you go, there, there we go. We got there.

538
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

539
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: So one of the questions you would have is how

540
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: does he drink without thumbs? There are two answers. The first,

541
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: there's a holster that they fixed to in his office that,

542
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, we could put a bottle in it like

543
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: a water feeder for a hamster cage. And then sometimes

544
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: he would just go up to people and bug them

545
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: until they got him a Lone Star because of course

546
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: it's a lone Star beer. That's what he drinks. And

547
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: he would polish off a twelve ounce bottle in ten

548
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: seconds or less. And here's the thing. This guy was

549
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: so popular that one of his offspring was elected mayor later,

550
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: Clay Henry Jr. And then Clay Henry Jr. Was so

551
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: popular that they elected a third goat mayor, Clay Henry

552
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: the Third. Clay Henry the Third unfortunately, was involved in

553
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: an altercation where in a local who had probably been

554
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: drinking or we don't know if they had an argument

555
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: because all three Clay Henry's are pretty heavy drinkers. Clay

556
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: Henry three was attacked ouch one of his testicles was

557
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: cut off. Oh he he stayed in office, of course

558
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: he did. Well, you know, you don't need both testims

559
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: go to stay in office.

560
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: Especially if you're a goat. Yeah right, you get all

561
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 4: the head buttting done in your early days.

562
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: H yeah, I mean, you know, surely one goat testicle

563
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: is like the equivalent of several human testicles. I don't

564
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: know why I think that you're putting it out there.

565
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: You mean in terms of like the fortitude, Yeah, yeah, exactly, Okay, yeah,

566
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: and just the sheer gumption that it goes. Goats are

567
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: very stubborn and they eat like everything, and this goat

568
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: surely was no different.

569
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: Also, goats have those weird sneak octopus like terrifying. Yeah.

570
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: Favorite goat. I don't know about you guys, but my

571
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: favorite goat, Sorry Clay Henry, My favorite goat is and

572
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: will always be black Philip from The Witch.

573
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 4: It's a good one. I thought maybe you're going to

574
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 4: go with Gregory the Hungry Goat. There's there's a spot

575
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 4: up in North Georgia called Goats on the Roof. Have

576
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 4: you guys been there? Goats on the Roof?

577
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: No, but there is a place around here where you

578
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: can rent a goat to mow your lawn. Yeah, it's

579
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 2: a good business.

580
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. My palace Scott Benjamin is actually a huge fan

581
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: of those guys. Okay, so we have I have a

582
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: successful line of goat mayors, the goat dynasty, the goat dynasty.

583
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: We have the foot powder candidate not elected, and we

584
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: have the pig president not elected. But we have more defined.

585
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: I want to see a runoff between the drunk goat

586
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: and the and pigasus.

587
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, that goat has like has the

588
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: political game locked down? Yeah, they know how to play it.

589
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 4: Was there an election Every time, I'm picturing a goat

590
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 4: on a deathbed, you know, kind of wheezing its last

591
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 4: breaths and as it says goodbye to this mortal coil,

592
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 4: passing along the mayoral responsibilities to the next goat in line.

593
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. The mayor, the position of mayor

594
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: in this small town contains no actual duties or responsibilities.

595
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: I think the original Clay signed one thing with a hoof,

596
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: but essentially their mayor is just there to drink, to.

597
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: Drink beer, to drink beer.

598
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 4: You know what. I'm sure there are a number of

599
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 4: towns around the country that would think something similar about

600
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 4: their own mayor.

601
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. So what's next? What's our next animal?

602
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: Oh boy, next one we get to talk about my

603
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: favorite Roman orgy connoisseurs, psychopathic emperor, that kind of rhymed

604
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: connoisseur and emperor. Sure I got there with the rhyme scheme.

605
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: By the name of Caligula. Also one of my favorite,

606
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: you know, fully pornographic yet artistically rendered films, the one

607
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: in Esperanto. Uh huh yeah, wait is it? Is there

608
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: a version of it in Esperanto?

609
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 4: I think it's starring William Shatner.

610
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, we're talking about the one with

611
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: Malcolm McDowell. That was the one that was produced by

612
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: like the publisher of Penhouse. I'm just kidding. It's not

613
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: really my favorite, but it is in fact a pretty

614
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: epic film with a giant budget that depicts the life

615
00:31:54,000 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: and times of the Roman emperor Caligula, who had many predilections,

616
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: including fondness for coupling with his sisters, basically just a

617
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: total hedonist. There's some stuff in the film that I

618
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: don't know if it actually happened, but there's a part

619
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: where he's buried his enemies up to their necks in

620
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: the sand and then has this crazy like threshing lawnmower

621
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: head cutting machine that just like goes over them and

622
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 2: cuts all their heads off.

623
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 4: I'm going to interrupt you real quick note, and I

624
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 4: just want the listeners to know you were making some

625
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 4: amazing hand motions.

626
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: Right now now, sweeping back and forth.

627
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, I wish everyone could see this. Maybe I

628
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 4: should do some sort of like a like a gift

629
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 4: or a boomerang, maybe social media.

630
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: You know, we need to get better at that. We

631
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: need to do more like real time podcast studio hijinks. Sure,

632
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: talking about caligulous sweeping my arms back and forth. I

633
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: could just get somebody in here to film this while

634
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: we were recording this. We mean, we could recruit somebody

635
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: from our socials.

636
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: I'll have to put on pants, but you know what,

637
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: that's a no, it's.

638
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: Fine, but it's a it's a sort of a waste

639
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: up view.

640
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: That's a hill I'm willing to die on for the

641
00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: good of the show.

642
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: Now, speaking of eyeing on hills, that probably happened a

643
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: lot in Caligula's day in terms of his enemies, because

644
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: he was pretty brutal and one of his main group

645
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: of enemies was the Senate, because he was constantly beefing

646
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: with the Senate because he, you know, was basically like

647
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: trying to be a complete and utter totalitarian ruler. And

648
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: you know, they still kind of had a semblance of

649
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: a little thing called democracy, or at least what was it,

650
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: like a republic right in Rome. So he was not

651
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: fond of the Senate. And in fact, the legend has

652
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: it this is this is a little unconfirmed, but there's

653
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: a few historical counts of this happening. He had a

654
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: horse that he was quite fond of. A horse. This

655
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: is the doozy of a name. Let me see if

656
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: I can, like, if I can do this one a

657
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: horse by the name of Incitatus. It's actually not that hard.

658
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 4: But when you look at it, Oh, you built it up.

659
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 4: I'm excited. I'm so glad.

660
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: There's more.

661
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: So.

662
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: This was his favorite horse. He loved this horse. He

663
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: loved it more than he loved probably any human person

664
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: in his life, to the point where he got this horse,

665
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: had it fashion a jeweled collar. He even like had

666
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: like a special like manger built out of ivory for it.

667
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: He had a stall made out of marble and and

668
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: supposedly some accounts say that he bought him his very

669
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 2: own house, So that's a lot of stuff.

670
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also heard he owned slaves though the horse did. Yeah,

671
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: that's in one of the accounts.

672
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 2: Can a horse really own anything though, I mean.

673
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: It's a great question.

674
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did own colligulss heart and apparently he was

675
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: fed with food with the gold flakes built mixed in

676
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: and stuff, you know, because gold is is important to

677
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 2: consume for for animals.

678
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: Caligula was a big fan of consuming or at least

679
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: bathing in gold himself. He's a very pro gold guy.

680
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: He is very pro excess And a big part of

681
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: this was he was constantly thumbing his nose at the

682
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: poor and just like you know, wanted to just be

683
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: as decad and as possible, display it as openly as

684
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: possible with as little shame, zero shame, as it turns out,

685
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: as possible. And another thing he liked to do was

686
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: humiliate the Senate because they were like his nemeses, you know,

687
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: these these senators, these puffy, you know, stuff shirt senators.

688
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: So supposedly he put forth into Tatis to become a console,

689
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 2: like an official console, uhuh, an official console.

690
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 4: But he's a horse.

691
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: He's a horse, but it doesn't matter because it's a

692
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: very special horse endowed now, you know, surely endowed with

693
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 2: the same amount of wisdom that any of these you know,

694
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: lifelong politicians possess, at least according to Caligula. And a

695
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: big part of this was obviously to kind of humiliate

696
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 2: them and say, you know, a horse could do your job,

697
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 2: you morons, and you're gonna like it. You're gonna take it,

698
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: and you're gonna you're gonna he's gonna live amongst you,

699
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: and he's gonna vote. He's gonna hold up his hoof,

700
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: you know, that's how he's gonna vote. Obviously. But apparently

701
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: this did not go through because Caligula was just universally

702
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: hated for obvious. Yeah, he was just kind of a

703
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: he's kind of a bad guy, what with the thresher

704
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: head chopping machines and the crazy Roman orgies with sisters,

705
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: and he just.

706
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 4: Wasn't a wasn't a good look for this guy. It's

707
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 4: funny how that can turn the people off, the chopping

708
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 4: off of heads and such.

709
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think it was just a different time.

710
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 1: But I like to think I know this is not true, folks,

711
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: But I like to think that the horse becoming console

712
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: was the last straw. I feel like the horse burn

713
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: is what set everyone over the edge. The horse burn,

714
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: horse burn. I like that. You like a horse, or

715
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: you pointed a horse to burn his enemies, So it's

716
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: a horse burn.

717
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with the move horse bites the corn?

718
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: No?

719
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 4: I am mystified.

720
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: It's when you when you take yours, when you take

721
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: your hand and make it into a C shape. I'm

722
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: doing it right now. Yeah, and then you grab someone

723
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 2: right above the knee and you go horse bites the corn.

724
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: And it's the most annoying thing.

725
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, is this a brown family? Yeah, no,

726
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 4: it's just.

727
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just my friend Tyler. It's a thing that

728
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: he does to me all the time, and I hate it.

729
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: I hate it. I hate it, and it gets a

730
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 2: rise out of me every time.

731
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: Why do you it's a very strange relationship.

732
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: It is a very strange relationship.

733
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: Maybe google it and see if other people do it,

734
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: because it sounds like he's just making up reasons to

735
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: grab you.

736
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: Wow, you're right, it's not it is it is?

737
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 4: Sure?

738
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: Well okay, so yeah, what's it called when you squeeze

739
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: just above someone's knee, it's called a horse bite. That

740
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: a horse bites corn. That guy is making this up,

741
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: so okay, horse bites aside. Caligula super unpopular. He was assassinated,

742
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: he died, and so the horse did not ascend to

743
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: the consulate. Right.

744
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: It was before the horse was able to get in,

745
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: which is a shame. We'll never know how history would

746
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: have changed.

747
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: I would have liked to see the horse's fiscal policy,

748
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: you know, play out in the in the Senate.

749
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: I would like to see it bite some cord, you know.

750
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: I'd like to see the horse out there press in

751
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: the flesh, kissing the babies, given complicated speeches, having political intrigue.

752
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm getting carried away, Christopher, what's next.

753
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 4: We need to stick on the horse for one second more,

754
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: because yeah, I want to hear a horse put things

755
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 4: up for a vote. I want to know if the

756
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 4: horse is going to vote yea or or nay?

757
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: Worth it? Yeah, it was absolutely worth.

758
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 4: Sorry I had to do it.

759
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, you absolutely were required contractually to do that day.

760
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 4: It's the reason I'm here, and you are.

761
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: In fact a dad now, so you're allowed to You're

762
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: in the in the exclusive camp of the dad joke elite.

763
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 4: It's the US jokes.

764
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

765
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 4: And you know people say politics these days are just

766
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 4: a horse race. Yeah, all right, let's move on. Let's

767
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 4: let's all right. I'm going to bring us from the

768
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 4: Roman Empire back to modern times so we can debate

769
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 4: how historical this is, but it's part of modern history.

770
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 4: I want to tell you guys about Dustin. Dustin the

771
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 4: wind No, dust in the Turkey. Ah, yes, dustin the

772
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 4: Turkey is not actually even a turkey. What dust in

773
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 4: the Turkey is a Turkey vulture. But dust In the

774
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 4: Turkey is not even a Turkey vulture. Dust In the

775
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 4: Turkey is a puppet Turkey vulture.

776
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: Whoa.

777
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 5: Yeah.

778
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 4: So one of the fun things I think about traveling

779
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 4: the world is you get to see pieces of pop

780
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 4: culture that are so deeply enmeshed in other countries that

781
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 4: you've never heard of. You know, Folks come to the

782
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 4: States and they're like, what is this purple dinosaur Barney like,

783
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 4: it's confusing. Go to Ireland, he'll be confronted with dust

784
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 4: In the Turkey. So Dustin the Turkey is a character.

785
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 4: He's a television presenter, He's a puppet who was on TV.

786
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 4: He made his debut in nineteen eighty nine on the

787
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 4: show The Den was on RTE, which is kind of

788
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 4: the Irish version of PBS. Here is the kind of

789
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 4: publicly funded broadcasting. Dustin the Turkey was on the show

790
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 4: until twenty ten. And I want to paint a picture

791
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 4: for you of dust In the Turkey. Imagine a c

792
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 4: off creature that looks like a mix of Gonzo from

793
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 4: the Muppets with Bernie Sanders, kind of you know, Statler

794
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 4: and Waldorf, the two cranky guys also in the Muppets.

795
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Hecklers.

796
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, imagine Statler. He's the one with kind of the

797
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 4: ring of hair around his head, that sort of Bernie

798
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 4: Sanders Larry David hairstyle across him with Gonzo the Muppets,

799
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 4: big weird beak, and you get a cranky, strange, odd

800
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 4: Turkey puppet. Now Dustin the Turkey. He's he's a very

801
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 4: specific kind of Turkey. He's from Dublin and he spent

802
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 4: a lot of time. He's kind of a roustabout. He's

803
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 4: got a strong attitude and he loves his city so much.

804
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 4: He speaks out specifically as an advocate for Dublin itself.

805
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 4: He's got a very strong Dublin accent. And I think, Casey,

806
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 4: if you could queue up the SoundBite we've got from

807
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 4: Dustin himself.

808
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 2: He brought a clip.

809
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 4: I brought a clip.

810
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: Well done, Chrismas.

811
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 2: That's why I'm here, over achiever, not just jokes.

812
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 5: There's nowhere that matches Doblin. Sure don't. We have the

813
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 5: biggest rock and roll band in the world. Yeah Aslan

814
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 5: all right, ko, okay, and we have James Joyce, Yeah,

815
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 5: the Bell Jimmy Joyce, Mazer, brilliant form with a Glenn Hansard. Okay,

816
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 5: he might watch listen he did.

817
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 4: Once and that's that's Dustin the Turkey is he voiced

818
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 4: by Colin Farrell. He's a doub learned through and through,

819
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 4: but he's he's deeply Irish, so much Southern. In nineteen

820
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 4: ninety seven, Dustin ran for President of Ireland.

821
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: Oh cool? Yeah, How far did he get?

822
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 4: He did not get far at all. In fact, he

823
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 4: had troubles with getting on the ballot because Dustin is

824
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: a one named guy. He's just Dustin the Turkey, and

825
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 4: you've got to have two names to get on a ballot.

826
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: That was what that was the technicality.

827
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 4: He worked his way around it by listing himself as

828
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 4: Dustin Hoffmann.

829
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: Oh great, So it wasn't that okay, So he was

830
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: able to overcome that bureaucratic obstacle.

831
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 4: Uh huh.

832
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: And that was apparently more important than the fact that

833
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: someone has their hand inside of him and his orchestra

834
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: in his movement.

835
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 4: He is truly a puppet, a political puppet. But the

836
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 4: thing is, Dustin went nowhere in nineteen ninety seven with

837
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 4: that candidacy nor a subsequent one for president. However, in

838
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 4: two thousand and eight, I've got to ask you guys.

839
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 4: Are you guys familiar with the Eurovision Song Contest?

840
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: Yes, I am.

841
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 4: No, that's a thing for you.

842
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. It's sort of like America's Got Talent

843
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 2: or something, yeah, but super huge, super popular. So Ireland

844
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: is a country known for its song, its story. It's

845
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: it's oral tradition. We've got all this great music from Ireland.

846
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 2: Ireland is actually the winningest country on the Eurovision Song Contest.

847
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 2: Oh cool, yeah, for decades, They've won seven times. Sweden

848
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 2: is number two with six wins, but Ireland tops it

849
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: with seven wins. One of those wins, however, was not

850
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight, and this is where Dustin

851
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: comes in. So the way the Eurovision Song conon test

852
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: works is every country has its own kind of championship

853
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 2: round where five six songs from that country are voted

854
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: on locally. All those the winning songs from each country

855
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: then go to the finals wherever that is every year,

856
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,479
Speaker 2: and then Europe as a whole and parts of North

857
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: Africa and the Middle East vote on who the winning

858
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: song is that year. In two thousand and eight, the

859
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: champion in Ireland, the one who beat out actual musicians

860
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: like Maya, like Donald Skian, like Liam Gettis, was Dustin

861
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: the Turkey. Yeah, so in two thousand and eight, Dustin

862
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: the Turkey was the Ireland representative in the Eurovision Song Contest.

863
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: His song Ireland. Dues point that it's a really dumb

864
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: name that means kind of is a mispronunciation of Ireland

865
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: twelve points in French, which is the number of points

866
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 2: needed to win this the Eurovision Song Contest. So saying

867
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: the name or the title of the song would sound

868
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 2: like someone is saying that Ireland had won, but it didn't. Anyway,

869
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 2: this competition, this election is what theust In the Turkey one,

870
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: and you can actually go on YouTube you can find

871
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Speaker 2: his performance at Eurovision. Did not win at all overall,

872
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: but it's this weird psychedelic nonsense song about the competition itself.

873
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: It's sort of met textual. Dustin the Turkey is sitting

874
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: inside of a shopping cart with backup dancers painted in

875
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: gold dancing next to him. There was some confusion among

876
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: the judges. Well, I would imagine there's a lot of

877
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 2: confusion among the judges whether he should be disqualified because

878
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: you're only supposed to have a certain number of people

879
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: on stage for your performance, and did the puppeteer actually

880
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: count as an extra person? And so did Dustin the

881
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: Turkey actually violate the Eurovision Song Contest rules by having

882
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 2: a man hidden under the cart with his hand up

883
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: as butt something we all want to know, And oh, yeah, puppet,

884
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: they get right, Yeah, it's a puppet.

885
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: So what happens to Dustin the Turkey later? Is he

886
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: still around?

887
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: Dustin?

888
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 4: Is still around? Dustin? He did not win the finals

889
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 4: in the Eurovision Song Contest, but he did then go

890
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 4: on to campaign that next year against the Lisbon Treaty,

891
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 4: which was an EU policy treaty. So Dustin has been

892
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 4: involved in political life. He went on to record with

893
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 4: release albums with artists like Ronnie Drew of the Dubliners,

894
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 4: Bob Geldoff of the Boomtown Rats. Yeah, and you know,

895
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Speaker 4: you can still use the hashtag vote Dustin to look

896
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Speaker 4: up what's going on with the Poultry Party, which is

897
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 4: Dustin's official group. Dustin also is taking things global. He

898
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 4: became a UNISEF ambassador for Ireland. This ugly, foul mouthed,

899
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 4: crass little puppet and he went to South Africa to

900
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 4: the Quasulin Natal region to learn about the plight of

901
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,479
Speaker 4: people with HIV and eights.

902
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, positive change through comedy.

903
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

904
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Speaker 4: So he won an election, he lost an election. He's

905
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Speaker 4: a weird puppet, but he's got the people behind him.

906
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: It's not even an animal. He's now officially my favorite

907
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: Turkey Buzzard because I just I said at the beginning,

908
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: I love animals, but those things freak me out.

909
00:45:59,040 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 4: Turkey buzzards.

910
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, howbout puppet? How do you feel abut puppets?

911
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: Pro puppet?

912
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 4: Yeah?

913
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you got a pet puppet, don't You don't

914
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: have a puppet? Yeah, you don't call them with pet

915
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: though that's sort of actually, that's unfair to Stevens. Your

916
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: companion is technically an intern. Steven still really formal with him. Now,

917
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: I thought it was Steve.

918
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 1: He's earned he's earned that second syllable phr v pH. Okay,

919
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: there was a moment of tense silence between us just now.

920
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: I hope we're still friends.

921
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Speaker 2: We are.

922
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 4: And if you're out there listening, if you're a Stephen

923
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 4: with a pH, if you're a Stephen with a V,

924
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 4: we're happy to have all of you.

925
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for hanging out. Well, maybe we can put

926
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: a put a picture of the puppet on the on

927
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: the social media's one day this. This is interesting, though,

928
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Speaker 1: that you're talking about a political party, because this is

929
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: not my second thing, but this reminds me of the

930
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: Inanimate Objects Party. Did you guys hear about this. It's

931
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: a it's a party that is based in Troy, New York,

932
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: and their main thing is that we should elect more

933
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Speaker 1: inanimate objects in political office. Their main candidate is an

934
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: inflatable whale named Arthur Galpin, and their other major candidate

935
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: is an albino's squirrel. Their symbol, their formal symbol, is

936
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: a fork, but check them out.

937
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 4: But that squirrel is not an inanimate object. So I'm

938
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 4: already seeing some flaws in there in their policy.

939
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Speaker 1: I think they're a fractured party, to be honest with you.

940
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 4: But well, you're saying that it's not a serious thing,

941
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,479
Speaker 4: that people who put forth inflatable whales are not taking

942
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 4: this process seriously.

943
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: Perhaps I'm saying comedy is in the eye of the beholder.

944
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 2: Fair enough.

945
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: God, I hope they take it really seriously. But this

946
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: leads us to an example of when these animals, or

947
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: these non human candidates become a matter of very serious, important,

948
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: non comedic stuff. And this story takes us to Brazil

949
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Speaker 1: is the story of a female black rhinoceros named Kakareco.

950
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Speaker 1: Cacareco was in nineteen fifty eight. She was residing at

951
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: the Ardim Zoologico do Rio Dejanio. I am not a

952
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: Portuguese speaker, but you could be. Yeah, I just have

953
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: to try harder. So Cockareco is the daughter of Britador

954
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: and Terra Zina, and in nineteen fifty eight she was

955
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: loaned out to the Sal Paulo Zoo. People knew about

956
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: this rhinoceros, and they didn't say particularly kind things about her.

957
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: In the case of the drunk goat Mayor, people like

958
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: the drunk goat, They like the bit hey.

959
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 4: He hangs out, he has a beer, maybe a whiskey,

960
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 4: I don't.

961
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: Know, right, who knows. But in the case of Cacareco,

962
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 1: people would say, this rhino is dumb as a door nail,

963
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: as the brains of a peanut, and is still the best.

964
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: It's still the best possible political candidate. So in nineteen

965
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: fifty eight, a group of students print over two hundred

966
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: thousand ballots with Cacoareko's name on them, and the ballots

967
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: are all legitimately cast by voters. One person, because you

968
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: could write in this is right an election one person said,

969
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: better to elect a rhino than an ass. You see,

970
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: this election was the result of serious and valid concerns

971
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: about rampant corruption in the Brazilian political scene, especially in

972
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: South Paulo. And not only did she end up winning,

973
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: she won by a landslide, and it was one of

974
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: the highest totals for a local candidate in Brazil's history

975
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: to that date, which is weird because we also have

976
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: to point out people who are familiar with the way

977
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: voting goes in the US will know that our country's

978
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: notorious for a lot of people just not voting. It's

979
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: way way worse in Brazil, or it was at that time, and.

980
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 4: So this was a way to get people engaged or

981
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 4: were they protesting the actual people who were on the ballot.

982
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: Both both Brazil seemed at the time, according to some sociologists,

983
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: to be on the threshold of revolt. It was seen

984
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: as a general protest from people who had varying different

985
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: objections to the way things were going. There were food shortages,

986
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: the cost of living was going up. Of course, political

987
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: corruption as we already meant, and some voters there were

988
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: actually multiple forms of protests. Some voters in the same

989
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: election voted in local politics by putting black beans in

990
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: the ballot envelope instead of the actual ballot.

991
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 4: So this is kind of a way for people to say,

992
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 4: our choices are so poor, we would rather have not

993
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 4: just a rhinoceros, but a dumb as beans.

994
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: Rhinoceros rights, yes, and cacuare Echo dies in nineteen sixty two,

995
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: but her legacy lives on today. There's a widely used

996
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: term that derives from her name. They think you've heard

997
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: about before voto cacareco, which means cocka eco vote. It's

998
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: kind of it's almost like kangaroo court, but it's a

999
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: rhino vote. And she also inspired the formation of the

1000
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: Rhinoceros Party of Canada, whose members went on to appoint

1001
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 1: the Rhinoceros Cornelius the First as their leader.

1002
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: You know what a rhino is in American politics?

1003
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: A Republican in name only. I love that. It's not

1004
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: like the perfect acronym.

1005
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: But no, I'm just fond of acronyms in general, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1006
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 2: you know that's about me.

1007
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 4: And there's something about Brazil I think, like, I think

1008
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 4: they have fun with their politics there too, because I

1009
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 4: think in the eighties or nineties there was a monkey

1010
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 4: who ran for office, Macaco Chiao, who was a chimpanzee.

1011
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 4: You know what. That was on one of the.

1012
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: Lists for this whole thing that we're doing, this crazy experiment.

1013
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: I think we really need a part two, guys.

1014
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: I think we should come back for a part two

1015
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: because we did pretty well, but we only had a

1016
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: total of six and then maybe a couple of ancillary mentions.

1017
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 1: Why do they call it kangaroo court because in in

1018
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 1: the early days of the formation of Australia, all judicial

1019
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: positions were occupied by kangaroos. Of course, I don't believe it.

1020
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: They were wallabies, the wallabies. You're right, nobody gives enough

1021
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: credit to the wallabies role in the creation of Australian government.

1022
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: But maybe we can in part two if it actually happened.

1023
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: We can't just make up a wallaby story.

1024
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: Christopher.

1025
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: We want to thank you so much for coming back

1026
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: on the show. It's always a blast to have you

1027
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: over Hey.

1028
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me here, guys, and thank you everyone

1029
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 4: for listening. I really love digging into these weird, ridiculous

1030
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 4: facts and sharing them with everyone.

1031
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: And we have not seen the last of you. Spoiler alert.

1032
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: If Casey Nolan and I have our way, you will

1033
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: be returning to the show. It's sometime sooner rather than later.

1034
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: This could be like a recurring episode. I don't know.

1035
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: I like this.

1036
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: There were so many more that we got to or

1037
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: maybe we could just do other list episodes like this

1038
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 2: in the future.

1039
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: I would like to get an animal and see if

1040
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: we can get it in office or least in the

1041
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: running for a position in Atlanta.

1042
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 2: Or maybe we could that the very least have one

1043
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: as a guest on the podcast.

1044
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 4: I yes, see, I thought you just said I would

1045
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 4: like to get an animal in the office, and I

1046
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 4: thought you were going to bring a rhinoceros here into

1047
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 4: the studio. I'm also open to that, at least an

1048
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 4: inflatable whale. Yeah, at least see see this is cut

1049
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 4: from the same cloth.

1050
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, cut from the save inflatable cloth. We hope that

1051
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: you enjoyed checking out this episode. Write to us and

1052
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: let us know if there are any notorious animal or

1053
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: at least non human politicians in your neck of the

1054
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: global woods. Thanks of course to our super producer Casey Pegram.

1055
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: Thanks to Alex Williams, who composed our theme, and Eve's

1056
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 2: Jeff Coode, who is not here but is also an

1057
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 2: incredible research associate for this show, along with our illustrious

1058
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: guest Christopher Hasiotis, who I can thank for the first time.

1059
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 2: On the first time, I thank you for stuff, but

1060
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: in person, it's nice.

1061
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 4: Here I am a human touch Yeah, Thanks Nol, Thanks Ben,

1062
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 4: Thanks Casey of.

1063
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: Course, of course, so find us on Instagram, find us

1064
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: on Facebook, find us on Twitter. Post your favorite pictures

1065
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: of non human politicians. These questions are becoming increasingly specific

1066
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: as we continue with the show. I love it, love it, Yeah,

1067
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: post some. We'll see if we can get someone to

1068
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,959
Speaker 1: start filming in the studio as we record, and stay

1069
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: tuned for our next.

1070
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 2: Episode, which is about a Napoleon thing.

1071
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: It is. It's don't want you.

1072
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 4: He really is.

1073
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: He's done a lot for this show, you guys. I

1074
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: know he's not perfect, but he has done a heck

1075
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 1: of a lot for our show.

1076
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: Agreed for more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app,

1077
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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.