1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:01,320 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. 2 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 2: I'm gonna take you on a trip through time back 3 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: to January sixth, twenty twelve, when the world was supposed 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: to end. Wait, was that when the world was supposed 5 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: to end? I think that's when the world was supposed 6 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: to end. I don't even remember. Now, that's how bs 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: that myan calendar thing was. At any rate, I'm annoyed now. 8 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna go ahead and let you listen 9 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: to how floods work. Bloods are a terrible tragedy. We 10 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: explain how they literally happen in this episode. Welcome to 11 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 3: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 3: Charles W Chuck Bryant, and that makes this Stuff you 14 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 3: Should Know. The podcast the Saturated podcast. 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: This week super Saturated Floody Podcast. Yep. I don't know 16 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: why this came to mind. 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: I didn't see any flood that happened on the New 18 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: Is it just I think I happened across it searching randomly, 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: and I thought. 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 3: It's a good one. 21 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: Ye haven't covered that one yet. 22 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: Flooded stuff always creeps me out. Oh yeah, yeah, I 23 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: think it goes back to my days in Toledo as 24 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: a young boy. Many times growing up in my house 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 3: on Beverly Drive, there were there the mommee would flood 26 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 3: and my basement would flood as a result, and sometimes 27 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 3: it would come all the way up to like the 28 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: top step. Really yeah, and I just think about, like 29 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: all my dad's tools down there, like underwater, weren't supposed 30 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: to be. It was just really creepy because you just 31 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: opened the door and step on the landing and then 32 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 3: there's just water. You can kind of see, like the 33 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: top couple of steps that was you know, suggested all 34 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 3: the other stuff that was down there. So I think 35 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 3: since then, I've always like been fascinated and creeped out 36 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: by the idea of things that are supposed to be 37 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: above ground submerged like ships when we talked about the 38 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: Bermuda Triangle, like a plane, yeah, down there in the trench, 39 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 3: never to be found. 40 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, that's creepy. 41 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, same thing with floods. Man, It didn't. 42 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: It doesn't creep me out like that, but I get. 43 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 3: It, okay, So Chuck, Yes, I take it you are 44 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: familiar with flooding. 45 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: I am. 46 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 3: Do you remember the one in ninety four done in Albany, 47 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 3: the Great Flood, the Flint River flood. No, oh man, 48 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 3: it was all over the news. 49 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: Like they were like in Albany, Georgia. Yeah, I don't 50 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: remember that. 51 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: There were caskets, like four hundred caskets were loosed and wow, 52 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 3: we're just kind of floating around. They were they had 53 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: this weird tendency to congregate toward trees or around trees, 54 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 3: and they so people started lashing them too, that because 55 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 3: they had to have a court order to even grab 56 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 3: the caskets. But apparently it was the second worst cemetery 57 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: disaster in the United States. Couldn't find the fourth course 58 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety four. 59 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: Oh, I was in Athens at the time. I was. 60 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: I was not up on news. 61 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: It was a big it was a big, big thing 62 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 3: price but it was really creepy. You can see pictures 63 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 3: of like caskets just kind of floating around. 64 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: Wow. 65 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. They recently found a human school that they think 66 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 3: was part of the remains that was moved by the flood. 67 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: Jeez. 68 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing how out of the news loop I 69 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: was while I was in college. Yeah, because it was 70 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: pre internet. Yeah, I didn't get the paper. I was 71 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: in college, who gets the paper and reads it. 72 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 3: I knew people who sold the paper. 73 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: I didn't have TV, so yeah, I knew about class 74 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: and working at Mexcali grill and sleeping late and all 75 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: of the kinds of things that I can't talk about. 76 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 3: That's awesome. 77 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: I remember the Gulf War that happened. 78 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: Well because of that Internet that came after your college years, 79 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 3: like two decades after your college years. You can see 80 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 3: video of the news footage from nineteen ninety four. So 81 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: you're fine stepping back in time. 82 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: I will do so. 83 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about flooding, Chuck. First, I guess to 84 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 3: understand floods, we need to give a brief prime of 85 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: the hydrological cycle. Yes, we do, if you ask me. 86 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: There's been about the same amount of water on Earth 87 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: for a long long time. 88 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought this is fascinating. 89 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it hasn't always been in the same place 90 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: as we know. 91 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 3: No, and it's not the same water necessarily, right, There's 92 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 3: a constant loss and gain of water. 93 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, every day you lose water obviously to the atmosphere. 94 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: Where like the solar rays and other cosmic radiation just 95 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 3: blasts water vapors into like nothing you're gone by longer. 96 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: Water. Sorry, as that is going on. 97 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: Volcanic activity in the core or not the core necessarily, 98 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: but in the inner Earth is releasing water and it 99 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: about balances out on a day to day basis. 100 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,239 Speaker 3: But did you know that volcanos release water? 101 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: Sure? After I read this. 102 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, we even did a Volcano's Work podcast and I 103 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: don't remember talking about it releasing water. 104 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: But I don't either. 105 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 3: When water is generated or introduced into the upper Earth 106 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: in the atmosphere, it comes from volcanos. Thank Sixty percent 107 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: of volcanic gas is water vapor. 108 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: So it about balances out on a day to day basis, 109 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: which is pretty remarkable. 110 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, almost as if it's happening that way for a reason. 111 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: I know. Are you familiar with the anthropic principle? 112 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: No, what's that? 113 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 3: We'll talk about it sometimes. 114 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: Right, Oh, it's not directly relating to this. 115 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: No, it's about the concept of why everything is so 116 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 3: falling and has fallen so perfectly into place that we 117 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 3: are able to notice this and say, wait a minute, 118 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 3: it almost seems like we're supposed to be here, right, 119 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 3: And the anthropic principle is like, yeah, and there's like 120 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 3: five million other worlds out there that didn't happen like that, 121 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 3: so we aren't there to say, wow, it's almost like 122 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 3: everything fell into place, so we're supposed to be here. 123 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: Interesting. 124 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, well see you just told me about it right now, done, 125 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: trick to you. 126 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 3: Uh. 127 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 2: Water can be all around the Earth in three different forms, 128 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: as everyone knows. You have liquids, rivers, oceans, lakes, rain, 129 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 2: solids we've talked about and this this kind of collects 130 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: a lot of our podcast in a way, like the 131 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 2: clouds and now we're talking about the Antarctica. Lots of 132 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 2: frozen water that case at the poles the Antarctica, or 133 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: it can be gas. 134 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: Which is water vapor in the air. 135 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: Yes, and it's all moved around by the wind thanks 136 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: to the sun. 137 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: And remember I can't remember which podcast we talked about 138 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 3: it in, whether it was the sun or clouds or something. 139 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 3: But wind is created by the exchange of air. Is 140 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 3: warm air is heated at the surface and rises, Yes, 141 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 3: cooler air rushes in to fill that vacuum. Yeah, there's 142 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 3: your wind, pal Yeah. 143 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: And then well once that warm air rises, though, it's 144 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: also going to get colder and form little droplets of 145 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 2: water which form together to form clouds, which we went 146 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: over in fluffy little clouds, right. 147 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, because the sun heats the ocean surface, that evaporates, 148 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: like you said, it rises, forms clouds, and then eventually 149 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 3: clouds become pregnant with rain and rain falls down, right, 150 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: that's right. As the rain falls down it fills waterways, rivers, streams, 151 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: that kind of thing underground waterway first. Yeah, but for 152 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: the most part, some of it does go to fill 153 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 3: aquifers and that's storage, but the vast majority of it 154 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: makes its way back to the oceans, where the process 155 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 3: begins again and everything is complete in the circle of life. 156 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: That's right. 157 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: The cool thing here is wind is pretty consistent across 158 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: the globe. Wherever you live, your weather is pretty consistent. 159 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: You might think if you live in Atlanta, like, oh, 160 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: that's crazy in December here at sixty five degrees. But 161 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: by and large, if you look at the big picture, 162 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: your weather systems are pretty consistent on a day to 163 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: day basis, although in the case of flooding, anything can 164 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: happen on any given day to knock things out of whack. 165 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 3: Right, So you have a storm comes about, a thunderstorm, 166 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: and you're like, wow, it's a pretty bad storm because 167 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: you are capable. Your area is capable of experiencing a storm. 168 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: Your area is capable of experiencing a freak storm, like 169 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: a huge thunderstorm. Sure that dumps so much precipitation on 170 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 3: the ground in such a short amount of time that 171 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: these normal waterways that have been formed to hold the 172 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: normal amount of water become overwhelmed. The water fills up, 173 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: spills over the banks, and there's your flood. 174 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the key what you just said there 175 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: is these waterways they form over a great, great period 176 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: of time. You don't A river doesn't just spring up 177 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: over the course of a year because there's a lot 178 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: of rain. 179 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 3: It takes like of several years. 180 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it takes a long long time to sort of 181 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: get a feel, I guess of how much rain there 182 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: is generally. And so this is how big I'm gonna 183 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: be if I'm a river in Georgia, exactly. 184 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: This is all I need to be except for the 185 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 3: freak occurrence in Oh my god, now it's a flood. 186 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 3: But then after the flood, it goes right back to 187 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 3: where it was before. It's not. Rivers don't tend to 188 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 3: plan their size for the worst case scenario, they're very lazy. 189 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: That's a great way to say it, lazy, lazy rivers. 190 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 3: So, like we said, the most common cause, the one 191 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 3: that people are most familiar with, the most common cause 192 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 3: of flooding is a large storm that allows an anomalous 193 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: accumulation of precipitation. 194 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: Whether rain could be melting ice from a mountain or snow, 195 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 2: but rain is the one we think about most often. 196 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 3: And like you said, because weather and patterns are pretty 197 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 3: pretty stable over time in a lot of places, depending 198 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: on the season, you're going to get anomalous normal precipitation, right, 199 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: like monsoons seasonal flooding. 200 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: Right. 201 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: So with a monsoon, you have in the wintertime, the 202 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: air over the land is colder than the air over 203 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 3: the ocean, So the air over the ocean is rising 204 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: in the air over the land is moving out to 205 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 3: fill it up. So that means the wind is blowing 206 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: out toward the ocean. 207 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: That's right. 208 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 3: In the summertime, the opposite is true, and so the 209 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 3: wind is blowing in toward the land and that brings 210 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 3: with it the monsoon rains. 211 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, brings with it water. 212 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 3: And this annual monsoon flooding we talked about it. We 213 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 3: didn't call it that because we're not that smart. But 214 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 3: in the how the Nile River works. 215 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it was and still is a very big 216 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: part of their how they thrived over the years was 217 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: they knew that the Nile would flood each year and 218 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: extend the water out and when it waters receded, it 219 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: left a nice fertile banks on which to live and 220 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: plant foods. 221 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: Right, And remember we talked about some of the problems 222 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 3: from the Aswan Dam and other dams that they built 223 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: along the Nile to control flooding. Basically say we're going 224 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 3: to release this amount of water, so can go crops 225 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 3: your and people aren't going to lose their houses to 226 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: the now flooding every year. That is actually one of 227 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 3: the big causes of flooding too. Damn breaks. Yeah, did 228 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 3: you see that damn video I sent you. 229 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: I didn't have a computer. 230 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 3: You didn't look. You didn't see it on your It 231 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: was flash. Oh it's really neat. 232 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: I'll look at it later. 233 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 3: I can't remember the name of the dam, but it's 234 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: in Washington State and in October of this year it 235 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: had like a controlled demolition and they just blew a 236 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 3: hole in the bottom and all of a sudden, this 237 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 3: water search comes pouring out and fills this area up, 238 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 3: and then it starts to recede, and you see the 239 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 3: water behind the dam just start to go down as 240 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 3: the water in front of the dam starts to go up. 241 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 3: It's really neat looking not. 242 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: To check that out. 243 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Or if you're from Pennsylvania or a historian, then 244 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: of course you know about May thirty first, eighteen eighty nine, 245 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 2: the Johnstown flood. 246 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just Johnstown, by the way. 247 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: It's known as the Johnstown flood, I think because that 248 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: was the largest town that it flooded. 249 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was. 250 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: I think fourteen miles up stream from Johnstown was the 251 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 2: South Fork Dam, and it hit a couple of towns 252 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 2: on the way. Finally hit Johnstown six to ten inches 253 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: of rain in twenty four hours, to the tune of 254 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 2: a sixty foot wall of water going forty miles per hour. 255 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: Wow, rush through town. 256 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: Twenty million tons, not gallons, twenty million tons of water. 257 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: And it was the first big disaster relief effort by 258 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: the Red Cross. Oh really, Yeah, I got a number 259 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: of twenty two hundred and nine deaths, seventeen million in damages, 260 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: which would be over four hundred million dollars today. 261 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: Wow, like close to a half a billion in damages. 262 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 3: Wow. 263 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: And Springsteen fans might remember that from the song Highway 264 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 2: Patrolman he sings about the Johnstown flood. 265 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 3: Really yeah, that guy, nice folk hero, isn't it? 266 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: He's all over it. 267 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 3: We also remember we talked about in the Human Caused 268 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: Earthquakes episode the Van Damn. Oh yeah, in Italy a 269 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 3: landslide caused a wave to go over the dam and 270 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 3: killed two thousand people. It seems to be the number 271 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: when a dam breaks or for each two thousand people die. 272 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: You know what I think it's cool is after having 273 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: done like four hundred plus shows, like our world is 274 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: starting to narrow a bit. 275 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. You know what's really crazy? What is we've already 276 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: had this discussion. Oh and now we've come back to 277 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: having it again. Really that's really narrow. 278 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: Well. I just think it's cool when you do a 279 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: podcast on flooding and it's also one about the Nile 280 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 2: in clouds and volcanoes, and I mean, we're still a 281 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 2: long way from covering and the sun. We're a long 282 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 2: way from covering everything. But our world view is narrowing 283 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 2: in a good way. 284 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 3: I know, we're like menonites. 285 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: Land plays a big part because you know, you can 286 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: have a lot of rain, but depending on what kind 287 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: of land it's falling on, it's going to affect how 288 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: much it floods. If it floods at all, like the 289 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: soil in the middle of a forest, it's going to 290 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: really soak up a lot of water. Hard clay or 291 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: rock or obviously concrete and asphalt aren't going to soak 292 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: up much if anything, So that's gonna lend itself to flooding. 293 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and agricultural lands, crop lands that have been tilled, 294 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 3: they're more prone to flooding than woodlands. Do you want 295 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: to know why? 296 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, why I was wondering. You got that. 297 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 3: We're about to circle right back again. But two earthworms. 298 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 3: That's exactly why. That's why woodlands don't flood like farm. 299 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: Because there's more little passageways from earthworms. 300 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 3: Yes, and if you till cropland, if you till the land, 301 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: it has a deletrious effect on the earthworm. 302 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: Popular are saying that word like that. 303 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 3: Yes, the earthworm population in the area, they basically leave, 304 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 3: they take off or else they're cut in a bunch 305 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: of pieces. 306 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: So it does have a very deleterious effect. 307 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: Deletrious, delictious. What is it? Species? Now I was wrong 308 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 3: on that, called out big time. It's species. It's deletrious, 309 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 3: it's not delictrious. Say you talk about species species. 310 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: Oh, I was wrong on species because it's there are 311 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: two acceptable ways of saying that. 312 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 3: No, there's a right way species. 313 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: No. No, if you look it up, it says species or species. 314 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 3: I can't say anything. I can't even keep track of 315 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: the difference between I and I and me. 316 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: Concrete an asphalt, which I mentioned, Josh. Here in the 317 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 2: Western world, there's a lot of that going on. Go 318 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: to a city like La which I lived in, as 319 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 2: you know, they had these concrete flood relief channels built in. 320 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't even have to go to La you 321 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 3: can travel there via the movie Greece. 322 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: Oh, like the La River basing. Is that what that is? Yeah? 323 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that is in T two. It's in the 324 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 3: movie Them and These that you know, the where they 325 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: have the car race. 326 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, they call it the La River, which is kind 327 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: of funny. 328 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, before they paved it with concrete, they used it 329 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 3: for the canoe scenes in a lot of the Tarzan 330 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: movies in the thirties. 331 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's all just smoking mirrors. 332 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: Yes it is. 333 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: Mash was in Malibu, for God's sakes. Yeah. 334 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: Levees, Josh, or another reason it can flood, as we 335 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: all saw with the disaster with the Katrina New Orleans, 336 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: when the levee breaks, as Robert Plant. 337 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 3: Said, got no place to stay. 338 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: No, you don't. And do you remember earlier this year 339 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: when they purpose opened the Morganza spillway. 340 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, basically they sacrificed some local crop land for a 341 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 3: lot more downriver. Yeah, And that's one of the points, 342 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 3: like the reverse of the thinking usually or well it 343 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 3: has been historically. Well, that's the point they make about 344 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: all levies though, is generally they're great for that area, 345 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 3: but there's generally there's going to be a problem on 346 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 3: down the line at some point. Well, the same thing 347 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 3: with concrete storm basins. It's the same. It's you're you're 348 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 3: basically just saying, all right, let's get the water through here, 349 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 3: and then when like the twer base runs out at 350 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 3: your county line, you handle it. Yeah, and here's your 351 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 3: flood county beneath us. 352 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 2: Well, what I couldn't find about the Morganza spillway was 353 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: the the effect, Like I saw like one hundred articles 354 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 2: on the fact that they're going to open it up, 355 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 2: and then the only article I found post releasing, like 356 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: I think it was first time since nineteen seventy three 357 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 2: they opened up a lot of these gates, was like 358 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: a week after they said, well, it doesn't look like 359 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: it's going to be as bad as they thought, And 360 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 2: that's all I found. 361 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 3: If it's the one I'm thinking of, it was a 362 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 3: huge cluster that was on the Army Corps of Engineers. 363 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: They created an incorrect estimate and it really screwed up 364 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 3: a lot more land than they thought. Oh really, if 365 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,239 Speaker 3: it's the same one I'm thinking of, it was this 366 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 3: year last year. 367 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was spring when the rivers were rising. Yeah, 368 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 2: and they said, we can't dove state New Orleans again, right, 369 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: so we're going to open up a lot of these gates. 370 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 3: Like up in like Missouri or something right now. 371 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: No, No, it was in Louisiana. 372 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, there was one in Missouri where they let 373 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: this levee loose and flooded some crop land and it 374 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 3: ended up like screwing things up all the way down 375 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 3: or over to like Tennessee. Wow, I can't remember, so 376 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 3: I guess those are two different stories. 377 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: So if you live in Louisiana, I'd like to know 378 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 2: the effect because I know they said it wasn't as 379 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: bad as they thought, but I couldn't really get a 380 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: pinpoint of the damage. 381 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 3: And I want to know what happened in Missouri. 382 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, let's talk about the coastline. 383 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we didn't mention, by the way, hurricanes too. 384 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, tsunamis. 385 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, tsunamis. Hurricanes big problems as far as creating flood conditions. 386 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 3: But yeah, the coastline, you're talking about levies and dams. 387 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 3: They fall into man made ways of diverting water to 388 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 3: other people's problems. Yeah, and we've figured out ways of, 389 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 3: I guess, protecting our beautiful coastlines from mother nature. And 390 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 3: that's building walls, basically sea walls. It's like, have your 391 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 3: worst waves, you're not gonna erode this beach. But the 392 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 3: problem is is the whole process of erosion is part 393 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 3: of creating and keeping beaches healthy. 394 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: Yeah and beautiful. 395 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: Yes, I remember I used to go to Hunting Island, 396 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: South Carolina when I was a kid, and my mom 397 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: went not too long ago, and she said that they 398 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: have actually, like the whole coastline is different now from 399 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: when I was a kid. 400 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 3: Really they have. 401 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 2: They had to move a lighthouse inland because it had 402 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,479 Speaker 2: eroded so much. But they just, you know, they let 403 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: it happen because it is a natural part of beaches, 404 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: and it's a natural like oceans, beaches, rivers, they're. 405 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 3: All dynamic, right exactly. 406 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 2: You know, they're all going to move earth and water, 407 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: and that's just the way it's supposed to be. And 408 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: when humans step into try and prevent that, bad things 409 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 2: can happen. 410 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 3: Well, and we try to prevent it because we tend 411 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 3: to settle near water. It's each transportation. 412 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: Put's living on the beach is nice. 413 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but I mean even with the river too, 414 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 3: it's like there's your crop land. 415 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's your. 416 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 3: Easy access to irrigation, easy transportation food water obviously. Yeah, 417 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 3: So we need to live near water, and then when 418 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 3: these natural processes happen and takes our houses away, we're like, Okay, 419 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 3: let's figure out how to how to solve this. And 420 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 3: sometimes the solution is just kind of exacerbates the problem, 421 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 3: that's right, Or creates a new one. Yeah, so we 422 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,959 Speaker 3: just got to figure things out. 423 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:04,239 Speaker 1: I think we're working on it. 424 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 2: This is one really cool part I thought was you 425 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: always see how you know a flood, floodwaters will wash 426 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 2: a car away or something and it doesn't even look 427 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 2: like that much water. Yeah, and you think, you know, 428 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: I d I drive my truck like through a river 429 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 2: in the North Georgia Mountains and you just plow right 430 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 2: through it. Yeah, and that's like twice as deep and 431 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 2: really rushing river. 432 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: You say, take that nature, Yeah. 433 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: Take that nature. 434 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: But the difference here is I thought this is really interesting, 435 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 2: is is what water wants to do is level itself out. 436 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: So when you've got a lot of water from a 437 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 2: flood in a place where there's previously no water at all, 438 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 2: it's gonna want to find its level as soon as 439 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: possible by rushing really hard. 440 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: So it's just gonna be a lot more force than 441 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 1: the steady stream of a river. Yep, it's really as 442 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: easy as that. 443 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 3: It's all there is too. 444 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,239 Speaker 1: So like a couple of feet of water can wash 445 00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: a car away. 446 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 3: Two feet two feet of water in a flood condition 447 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 3: where it's rushing from one from a higher level to 448 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 3: a lower level's balance out can wash a car away 449 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 3: that's nutty, and six inches under those conditions can knock 450 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 3: a human off his or her feet. 451 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: And that's how people die in a flood. 452 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 3: Well, I think half of the deaths associated with most 453 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 3: floods are from people trying to ford a rushing water 454 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 3: in their car, spellway in their car. Yeah, that's the 455 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 3: problem because you get carried out and you're in your 456 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 3: car and you're trapped, and that's that. 457 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: That's sad. 458 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 3: It's very sad. 459 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: Flash flooding the most dangerous of all floods. 460 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, this jogged my memory when they was talking about 461 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 3: Big Thompson Canyon, Colorado. 462 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: I think we might have hit on that at some 463 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 2: point because it jogged my memory too. 464 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 3: You want to talk about it, well, yeah. 465 00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,120 Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy six, July thirty first, Colorado was celebrating 466 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 2: it's centennial and at about five or six o'clock it 467 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 2: started to rain and it was a really weird thunderstorm 468 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 2: that didn't move. It just planted itself for four hours 469 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: over Big Thompson Canyon. Rained twelve inches in four hours. 470 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 3: And that's how much the area gets in a year. Usually. 471 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's crazy. 472 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 2: In four hours and a twenty foot high rush of 473 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 2: river going about fourteen miles an hour by nine pm 474 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 2: washed through the canyon, and it was so like out 475 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 2: of nowhere, which is what a flash flood is. It's 476 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 2: not like, hey, you know, with the Johnstown flood, they 477 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: had warnings even though people didn't heed them, and most 478 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 2: of the times you know a flood's coming, but with 479 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 2: a flash flood, they were just like trapped. 480 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 3: Plus there also just happened to be thousands of campers 481 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: down there celebrating the centennial of Colorado. 482 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: It was well, the perfect storm. 483 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 3: But the river that feeds the canyon, normally Big Thompson River, 484 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 3: is apparently normally pretty slow moving, the old Big Teddy, 485 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 3: but because of this flash flood, it was dumping two 486 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 3: hundred and thirty three thousand gallons eight hundred and eighty 487 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 3: two thousand liters of water into the canyon per second per. 488 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: Second, so that's a lot. 489 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 3: So basically, a flash flood is like a flood, but 490 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 3: it's even more concentrated and the water's moving even more violently. 491 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: That's crazy. 492 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 2: I got the number between one hundred and thirty nine 493 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 2: to one hundred and forty five dead. 494 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: Five were never seen again. Geez, four hundred cars, four hundred. 495 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 2: And twenty houses, and forty million, which would be about 496 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty million today. And interestingly, three years ago, 497 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: this one guy was found alive in Oklahoma that they 498 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: thought died. He got he left town that morning and 499 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: like didn't tell people. Oh, and I think they were 500 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 2: the key came up in records and he was like, no, 501 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 2: I'm out here in Oklahoma. I'm just fine. Yeah, I didn't. 502 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 2: He didn't even realize that he was on the death list. 503 00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: Weird. 504 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, But they still every July thirty first, they 505 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 2: still pay remembrance obviously in Colorado. 506 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's also I mean, you think about cars being 507 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 3: washed away and people being knocked off their feet and 508 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 3: being flooded in canyons, But there's also a lot of 509 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 3: problems with flooding after the fact, Like a flood brings 510 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 3: with it a lot of silt and mud and nastiness, sewage, sewage, 511 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 3: and when the floodwaters recede once again, all that stuff 512 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 3: sticks around. 513 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 514 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 3: Apparently Florence, Italy suffered a pretty big flood on the 515 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 3: Arno River. 516 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, nineteen sixty six. 517 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 3: And Florence, of course, is one of the great repositories 518 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 3: of Renaissance art, and a lot of the repositories in 519 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 3: that repository were basements and first stories, and that stuff 520 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 3: got flooded. And apparently they got a lot of the 521 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 3: stuff back to at least good quality. 522 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: A lot of it. 523 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: But there were I looked up, there were six hundred 524 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 2: thousand tons of mud and sewage. Oh my god, after 525 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: they left fourteen thousand works of art and a hunt sorry, 526 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 2: three to four million books and manuscripts and records. And 527 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 2: I don't know how many out of the fourteen thousand 528 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 2: were restored, but I bet it wasn't thirteen five hundred, 529 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. 530 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, because a lot of this stuff was completely destroyed. 531 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 3: That's that's awful. 532 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very sad. 533 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 3: At least invading hordes didn't set it on fire on purpose. 534 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 535 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: I also killed about one hundred people, yeah, which you 536 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 2: always hear about the artwork, Like, I had to really 537 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 2: research to. 538 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: Find the amount of deaths. Really yeah, well, well not 539 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: that much research, but a few extra clicks. 540 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 3: I guess. And then disease is another big problem too. 541 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 3: You said, sewage chemicals. Yeah, the deceased. All of this, 542 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: oh yeah, is mixed together and. 543 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: It's an albany that probably was not a fun soup. 544 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 3: No, So if you are, if your area is flooded, 545 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 3: you want to basically boil any water that you're going 546 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 3: to drink, or drink bottle of water. Get one of 547 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 3: those one h air water manufacturers that sucks the water 548 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 3: vapor of the ambient air and converts it to bottled water. 549 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, did you hear about the netty pot deaths recently? No, 550 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 2: these two people in Louisiana died and they believe it 551 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: was from using the netty pot, which I use on 552 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 2: a daily basis, and it got they got a brain 553 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 2: eating amba cross into their nasal passage from using contaminated water. 554 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: To Nettie with and my friend, you know, I've been 555 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 2: netting for like six years every day, and my friends. 556 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: Like Duba that, oh would do that? If are you? 557 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: I was like, come on, dude, did. 558 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 3: Your friend know that he sounds like that when you say. 559 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 1: I was aping him. 560 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: He sounded much more intelligent than that. Okay, but I'm 561 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 2: not gonna stop netting. 562 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 3: Well, you have to boil the water. At least to 563 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 3: yourself that favor. I'm gonna do that, Chuck, brainy, eating 564 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 3: amba would not look good on you. I'll take my chances, 565 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 3: all right, Okay, I guess that's it. 566 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: I got nothing else. 567 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 3: I got nothing else, Flatty. You want to call out 568 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 3: for anything in particular? 569 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, if you live in Big Cannon or Johnstown 570 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 2: or any story. Yeah, I bet you got some some 571 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: personal anecdote a family member. 572 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 3: Maybe yeah you can. Uh. Oh wait, wait, we haven't 573 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 3: done lest your mail yet. Man, we're aboting to jump 574 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 3: the gun. 575 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: Oh I thought you were about doing that. 576 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 3: I was about to give our email that addressing. Well, 577 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 3: if you want to learn more about floods, you can 578 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 3: type in floods in the search bar at HowStuffWorks dot com. 579 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 3: And I said search bar. So it's Chuck's turn for 580 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 3: a listener mail. 581 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 2: Josh, I'm gonna call this request from Adam to save birds. 582 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: Before the STA Bowl? 583 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 3: Request of what? 584 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: Request from Adam to help save birds before the bowl? Okay, 585 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 2: he has a thing going on and it ends at 586 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: this Stiper Bowl. 587 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 3: I got you, so we want to get it out. 588 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: I come to humbly beg a favor. Guys. 589 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 3: No, he knows how to get our attention. 590 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: He said he could apply us with beer if his 591 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 2: loyalty is not sufficient. 592 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: In this case it is sufficient. 593 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 3: I don't know beer can be mail. 594 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: My NGO's fundraiser needs a plug. We are the Alamos 595 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 2: wild Lands Alliance and the research director there and we 596 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: are trying to create a reserve and a rare habitat. 597 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 2: We also do research and education in a remote part 598 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: of north west Mexico. We run a biological field station 599 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: called the Navopasia Field Station. 600 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: You can check us out on Facebook and our. 601 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 2: Website is www dot Alamos Wildlands dot org and that 602 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 2: is a Lams Wildlands dot org and it's a US 603 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 2: based nonprofit. It's very small, run by volunteers mostly, he says. 604 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: Run by birds, Run by birds. 605 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 2: And for the second in a row, they are doing 606 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 2: a fundraiser called the bird Athon, and it's like a walkathon, 607 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 2: but instead of miles walked, people get pledges for the 608 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 2: amount of. 609 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: Bird species they see in a given day. My team 610 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,239 Speaker 1: had one hundred and sixty three last year. Wow, one day. 611 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: It's pretty good. 612 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: It is a fun way to raise money for conservation 613 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: in a place that is unique and rare, that runs 614 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 2: from January thirtieth to February fifth. We often have a 615 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 2: Super Bird Saturday when most people go out the day 616 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 2: before the Bowl, which is a football game played here 617 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 2: in the United. 618 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 3: States, American football, not European not soccer or rest of 619 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 3: the world football. 620 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 2: Yes, more teams are always welcome. We have at least 621 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 2: eight now, though some have yet to register, and anyone 622 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 2: can start their own team or just donate. It's really 623 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 2: easy and it's on our website. The money goes to 624 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 2: a good cause. Is texts deductible. And here's something sad. Josh, 625 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 2: the environment and animals only get about two percent of 626 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: charitable giving worldwide. 627 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 3: I have to be honest, I'm surprised that the environment 628 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 3: and animals. He says, yeah, so humans get the other 629 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 3: ninety eight percent. 630 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: I guess, so which is? 631 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 2: You know, charitable giving is good no matter what, but 632 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 2: forget about. 633 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: Our free creatures. 634 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 2: It is pretty low attached or some pictures of my team, 635 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 2: the Lucha Doors. 636 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: We wear masks and capes while birding, so it. 637 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 2: Kind of ties in nicely totally with the podcast we 638 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: did on Mexican wrestling. 639 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: Which was not this one. 640 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 3: Can we post that picture? 641 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. 642 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 2: I'll check and then he is his wife's team. It's 643 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 2: called the Booby, named after the blue footed booby. 644 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: A common bird that we have done here. 645 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 2: Regardless, guys, thanks to both of you for helping to 646 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 2: make being smart cool again. So please go check out 647 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 2: www Dot Alamos Wildlands dot org and sign up and 648 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 2: sponsor someone for this burdithon Superbird Saturday. 649 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: Get a team together, help these guys out. 650 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 3: That's awesome. Tweet tweet Did you mention the s Bowl? 651 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 3: Did you use the actual name? Because I think we 652 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 3: can get. 653 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: In trouble for that for saying seool. 654 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 3: I don't think you should say it. Really, yeah, we'll 655 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 3: find out. 656 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: How can we get in trouble? 657 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 3: Like apparently they actively sue people who use that word 658 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 3: like even mentioning it. Like remember the Simpsons they never 659 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 3: mentioned what where they were going when they went to 660 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 3: that huge football game and Dolly Parton the episode that 661 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 3: Dolly Parton. 662 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: Was on, Now I have the halftime of my life exactly. Yeah, yeah, 663 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: you're right doing all right? So we can just beat 664 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: that out and people be like smole, what's that right? 665 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 3: Exactly? Nice? Okay, Well, if you have an NGO that 666 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 3: you think we'd like to plug. We're happy to do 667 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 3: that from time to time. You can tweet to us, 668 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 3: especially if it's a bird ENNGO at s y SK podcast. 669 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 3: You can send us some sort of message on Facebook 670 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 3: at Facebook dot com slash stuff you Should Know, and 671 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 3: you can send us an email to Stuff podcast at 672 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 3: iHeartRadio dot com. 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