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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahad Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. It's getting hard

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Speaker 1: to say my partner Patrick Moone.

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Speaker 2: Episode ninety three Welcome epis.

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Speaker 1: We're your Cubs beat writers from the Athletic Patrick, we are.

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Speaker 1: It's like ten days less than ten days away from

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Speaker 1: pictures and catchers reporting. As far for the Cubs, it's

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Speaker 1: it's coming up on us, like it's it's baseball season.

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Speaker 1: Let's the super Bowl is gonna come and then it's

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Speaker 1: baseball season, right as far as we're concerned.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're taping on a Friday. If I have

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Speaker 3: my dates correct a week from tomorrow, I'll we find Arizona. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: first leg of our coverage.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean we always say that, right, it

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Speaker 1: sneaks up on us, but this one, this year's even earlier.

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Speaker 1: So the Cubs roster is not finalized, right, it's we

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Speaker 1: we don't know if it's finalized, if the if there

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Speaker 1: on that. One of their their most recent edition spoke

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Speaker 1: to us Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: Was it Wednesday whatever day it was he spoke to us.

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Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, we got some first impressions of Ryan Presley.

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Speaker 1: He was in the parking lot of his children's school

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Speaker 4: So he's a family man, he's a good guy. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It does seem like that's like first and foremost. That's

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Speaker 1: what I came away from it, like, this is a

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Speaker 1: really everybody that we talked to, whether it was Chandler

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Speaker 1: the Cubs are acquiring this type of uh that they

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Speaker 1: want the player right. The player is always first and

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Speaker 1: foremost the most important thing. But how much have we

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Speaker 1: they look for, these veteran bullpen arms. They felt that

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Speaker 1: how to go about business. Hector Narris was kind of

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Speaker 1: This is how you need to prepare day to day.

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Speaker 1: Some of them take it really well, and this is

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Speaker 1: just who he is. Maybe Hector Naris had some influence

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Speaker 1: on it in him. The clubs obviously hope Ryan Presley

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Speaker 1: does more on the field than Hector Naris did for

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Speaker 2: No doubt, I think Chandler has alluded to this.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, we've talked to Chandler so much over the last

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Speaker 3: you know, Presley was someone who really had to work

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is someone who was in the Anthony

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Speaker 3: amazing composure. Whatever that stat was of consecutive scoreless postseason

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Speaker 2: I think Presley's value with the Cubs is.

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Speaker 3: Exponentially more than what he could bring to the Astros

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Speaker 3: So you know, just said they can, you know, win

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Speaker 3: That's an optimistic scenario, but I do think it's. What

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Speaker 4: So I found that interesting as well.

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Speaker 1: He knows Tommy how to be really well, like over

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and he knows like Caleb Thielbar from his

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Speaker 1: Like it's like people talk about it all the time.

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Speaker 1: People that have worked with Tommy. That's the first thing

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Speaker 1: My arm slot is off? Okay, but it's not. You

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Speaker 1: Them identify those things and kind of pinpoint it as well.

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Speaker 1: But he apparently he's been working with Kevin Poppy, who

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Speaker 4: If he can, if he can.

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Speaker 1: Even if he's the same pitcher, that's going to be impactful, right,

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Speaker 1: Adding Presley feels like a big addition to this bullpen

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Speaker 1: But there's still David Robertson's out there. Kenlee Janssen's out there,

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Speaker 4: There's there's some relievers out there.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if they if they can fit any more arms.

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Speaker 1: Like we were told after Presley, like while they were

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Speaker 1: right Like this is we're at that point of the

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Speaker 3: I did our colleagues Ken Rosedalil Salmon had a good

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Speaker 3: reporting indicates that Jansen's goal of five hundred saves.

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Speaker 3: He needs fifty three for five hundred, and with the Mets,

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Speaker 3: he would set up for Edwin Diaz rather than pitch

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Speaker 2: I'd imagine you still have. Like you said, David Robertson.

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Speaker 3: I love him, but there are you know, between minor

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I always, I always get it wrong.

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Speaker 1: These things can suddenly change and turn we like you said,

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Speaker 4: It's just like, yeah, they talk. They always talk.

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Speaker 1: They're always talking about and throwing ideas around and and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, solving for wins.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll be back next week, inching closer

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Speaker 1: to Patrick heading to Arizona. Uh, maybe we'll talk have

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Speaker 1: Uh next week, but there may be some more moves

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Speaker 1: we know what the Cubs options are. Thanks so much

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