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Speaker 1: Late Kick Extra podcast. I am Josh Pate. It is

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Speaker 1: wall to wall college football and mail bag. We do

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Speaker 1: This morning slash afternoon, wherever you're listening, we're diving right

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Speaker 1: question I got this morning as we're recording. This is

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Speaker 1: over the stadium. And like I said, it's not open

431
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 1: to the public yet. It's a vantage point I'm blessed

432
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: enough to be able to get. I had it last year,

433
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: and you just stand there and you think to yourself, Wow,

434
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: this is pretty incredible. And I grew up in the

435
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 1: South where we claim to have perfected the pregame art

436
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 1: of tailgating, which we have, but there can sometimes be

437
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 1: a mind virus that creeps in to where you think

438
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: you do it great and no one else does it great.

439
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 1: And if you grew up in Harris County, Georgia, which

440
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: I did, Seattle might as well be on the moon.

441
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: And so I'd never been able to go there. Last year,

442
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: we went there for the Oregon game, and that was

443
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: about as immaculate and as incredible and serene on experience

444
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: as I've ever had. Because you think college football and

445
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: you think noise, you think action. And yet ironically, one

446
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 1: of my favorite moments from last year, and I think

447
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: one of the most underrated settings in college football is

448
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: total silence. It's calm before the storm, and you're standing

449
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 1: there and you've got a stadium in front of you.

450
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: You can look if you're standing on the press box

451
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 1: side of the stadium, you can look off to your

452
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: left and you see the campus gorgeous, and then you

453
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: pan and you're looking at the stadium itself. But if

454
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: you look off to the right, it's water, and it's

455
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: water and it's crystal because it's reflecting the sun which

456
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: has just risen over the mountains. Amazing. I would also

457
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 1: say that South Carolina for an n stadium game day

458
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: environment is as underrated as it gets in college football.

459
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: I always say this, and I always mean it, and

460
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: people argue with me on it, and inevitably I find

461
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: it's people who haven't been there for a game. How

462
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: are you about to argue with me? South Carolina is

463
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: not legit? And then I ask you, when's the last

464
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: time you went there? Oh I haven't been there. Oh cool,

465
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: So don't talk anymore, first off, And secondly, when you

466
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: finally go, make sure you pick a good game and

467
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: make sure. I don't really care if it's night time

468
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: or daytime. I've been there both. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable.

469
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: I always do the close your eyes test, Like if

470
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: I took you, guys, and I could stand you on

471
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,479
Speaker 1: the field at Williams Brice Stadium and they're playing Georgia

472
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: and it's mid third quarter and it's a dogfight and

473
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: sandstorm cranks up, and I just have you close your eyes.

474
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: You'd tell me you were at one of the premier

475
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: environments and premier venues in college football. And then I

476
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 1: go David Blaine style, David Copperfield style, open your eyes

477
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: and you're like South Carolina. What wow? South Carolina? And

478
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I told you, I told you so,

479
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: so I would go there where else. I think Baton

480
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: Rouge has been talked about a lot. Happy Valley has

481
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: been talked about a lot. I think OU Texas is.

482
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: It may be pound from my favorite environment in college football,

483
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: but it's not just the game. And please please take

484
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: nothing away from the game. The game's awesome. But if

485
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: you ask me what my most underrated scenes are in

486
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: college football, the most underrated scene to me maybe that

487
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: you go to OU Texas and you're in a stadium

488
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: that's a million and one years old, like Moses once

489
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: toured the Cotton Bowl. That's just a fact that actually happened,

490
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: and now OU Texas play there every year. There are

491
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: very few, if any, luxury suites. It is a blue collar,

492
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,959
Speaker 1: roll up your sleeves kind of crowd. But then at halftime.

493
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 1: If you're privileged enough to be covering the game on

494
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: the field, you can do what I did, and you

495
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: can run up the tunnel and you can go experience

496
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: the Texas State Fair. But it's not packed because everyone

497
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: else is in the stadium. So you can go play

498
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: flip a chick and win. By the way, just dominated

499
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: that game the first time I played it. Then you

500
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: get your little chicken hat, some would call it a

501
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: chicken head. Then you pound funnel cake and you take

502
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: a few pictures, and you're back down the tunnel as

503
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: the third quarter kicks off. What NFL venue is allowing

504
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: you to do this, So that is the quintessential college

505
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: football experience to me. You give me Seattle and Husky Stadium,

506
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: give me a night game at Williamsbriy Stadium, or you

507
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: give me a good old fashion eleven kick off at

508
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: the Cotton Bowl with a visit to the Texas State

509
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: Fair at halftime, and you can keep it. You can

510
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: keep the rest. I'm good. I'm good. That is getting

511
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: it done. And we do all of those things in

512
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: a given year when we go on tour, although we

513
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: haven't been to a South Carolina game lately, which we

514
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: need to change. Next up, Oh boy, no, we got

515
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: to scandal emerging in Memmes, Florida. Let me take a

516
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: sip of coffee for this. Ah Nole's pride hits me

517
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: from Mems Florida. He says, is it okay to have

518
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: a fall wedding during your team's bye week? Well, of course,

519
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: it's okay to have a fall wedding. It's okay to

520
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: have your wedding any time of year, as has been

521
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: documented on the show. Our beef is not with you

522
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: having your wedding. It's your wedding. It is a constitutional

523
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: right of yours. I think it's the eleventh Amendment, twelfth Amendment. Anyway,

524
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: It's one of your rights to have your wedding whatever

525
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: day you want to have it. And who am I

526
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: to push back on that notion. All I'm trying to

527
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: tell you is the follow up is you do not

528
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: have the right to blindly assume that everyone's just gonna

529
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: show up. And this has always angered me a little

530
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: bit because people call this a compromise. Like, I got

531
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: several folks in my life, just like you do in yours,

532
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 1: who are being drug kicking and screaming into the concept

533
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: of a fall wedding and they can't stand up to

534
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: it due to whatever circumstances have arisen, and so they're

535
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: having to compromise, quote unquote and Okay, I'm gonna have

536
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: a fall wedding, but it's going to be during my

537
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: team's bye week. Well here's the problem with that, friends,

538
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: there is no bye week in college football. Your team

539
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: has one. If you're a Kentucky fan, Kentucky will have

540
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: a bye week, But that doesn't mean that Virginia Tech

541
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: and Tennessee and Notre Dame are also off on that week.

542
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: And unless you have such an incestuous social circle that

543
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: you hang out with nothing but Kentucky fans, you're screwing

544
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: someone out of their Saturday if them to attend. So

545
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: this has never been a compromise. There is no buye.

546
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: There is no off week for college football. There's an

547
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: off week for a team. Having said that, you go

548
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: have your wedding whenever you want to. That's acceptable. What's

549
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: not acceptable is just expecting everyone to show up and

550
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: if they don't, claiming that they're not a good friend

551
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: because they don't value your friendship more than a fall Saturday.

552
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: They do value your friendship more than their false Saturday.

553
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: They don't value your wedding more than their fall Saturday.

554
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: They value your marriage and your health and happiness. They

555
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: don't value your wedding. There's a difference in the two.

556
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: They're often conflated, but there is a big difference between

557
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: the two. Marriage, friendship. We're all four around here. Those

558
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: are not more important than Oklahoma versus Oklahoma State, but

559
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: oe you versus Oklahoma State absolutely more important than your wedding.

560
00:28:54,360 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: I hope I haven't been unclear. Next up, is it

561
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: CHRISTI yeah, okay, we got to make sure we get

562
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: the names right. Christa from Saint Louis, Missouri. Any thoughts

563
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: on this Eli Drinkwitz Josh Hypel situation, A situation. It

564
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: is so backstory time. Last year Missouri plays Tennessee, Missouri

565
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: beats Tennessee, and then Eli Drinkwitz is caught on you know,

566
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: a live Mike walking up to shake hands with Hypel

567
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: and he just said, we stand on business, Josh, we

568
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: stand on business. And that seemed kind of odd because

569
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: you didn't have any context, no context, Eli, And so

570
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: then it kind of came and it went and folks

571
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: at Tennessee hate Missouri and you had a lot of,

572
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: you know, rumblings on social media about what it may

573
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: have been about, but we didn't get an explanation. Okay,

574
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: well until this week when Eli Drinkwitz goes on a

575
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: podcast up in Missouri. And it is my fault for

576
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: not remembering the name of this thing because the setup

577
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: was immaculate. Like the setup for that pod was immaculate.

578
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: I subscribed to it. This morning. I followed the So

579
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: Eli Drinkwitz is on this podcast in Missouri, and he

580
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: got asked about it, and he said, well, here's the problem.

581
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: They beat us, hung a big number on us the

582
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: year before. So I was in the defense's ear all

583
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: week leading up to the game, and I was telling them,

584
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: if you guys handle business, I will tell their head

585
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: coach we stand on business. I'll do it. And so

586
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: they handled business to hear him tell it, and he said,

587
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: I could either do one of two things. I could

588
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: be a liar and I could be hated in my

589
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: locker room, or I could follow through on my word

590
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: and be hated by outsiders. And I'll choose my locker

591
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: room over outside opinion every day of the week. That's

592
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: his explanation. We have not gotten a rebuttal from the

593
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: Knoxville Contingent as of yet. So what do I think

594
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: about this? Well, obviously I love it. I love it

595
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: because I think a healthy amount of this is good

596
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: for the sport. People being mad at other people is

597
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: not the worst thing in the world. You go to

598
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: work every you probably don't love everyone you work with.

599
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: There is no there is no golden rule that says

600
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: coaches just have to love each other. Everyone has to

601
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: get along when they go down to Destin for the

602
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: SEC spring meetings. Everyone has to hold hands, you know,

603
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: everyone has to hang out afterwards. No, it's okay. It's

604
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: okay to have a lot of healthy disdain. It's called competition.

605
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: And if you're in competition, you're not always gonna like

606
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: everyone you're competing against. So I think the same thing

607
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: about this stuff that I used to think about the

608
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: BCS or about the smaller playoff field. We got to

609
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: this point where in the BCS era, people were upset

610
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: at the end of the year, and we got to

611
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: the point where too many folks thought people being upset

612
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: was reason to change something, and then they changed it,

613
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: and then people got upset about how that new thing ended,

614
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: and then the same folks that, oh, people are still upset.

615
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: We got to expand it more. No, you don't, No,

616
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: you don't. If the worst thing in the world that

617
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: happens is some folks are upset at the end of

618
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: the day, that's not the worst thing in the world.

619
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: The worst thing in the world is then not caring

620
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: either way. If as long as someone's upset, that means

621
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: you've got emotion in the room, and they'll get over it.

622
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: TCU and Baylor fans have gotten over twenty fourteen. They

623
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: still watch and that's a whole nother soap box. But

624
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: the same thing with this. It's not apples to apples

625
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: in terms of a metaphorical comparison, but it's apples to

626
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: apples in terms of my philosophy on the idea that

627
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: just because someone's mad doesn't mean we got a problem.

628
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: Just because a Tennessee fan or you know, Josh Heipel

629
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: himself may not love Eli drink Witz and Missouri doesn't

630
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: mean we have a problem. Don't mean we have a

631
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: problem at all. Just means we've got a good, healthy

632
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: base of competition in the SEC and in college football.

633
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: It's not the biggest problem in the world. Just like

634
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: this is not the biggest problem in the world. Pretty

635
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: solid ad toss there and not my best but B

636
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: to B plus effort, I would say Johnny brings us back.

637
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: He says, what do you think are the best and

638
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: worst parts of the NFL combine? Is a great forty

639
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: time or high vertical jump better for a player's draft

640
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: stock than what they showed on Saturdays. Would love to

641
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts. Well, of course, not yet. The answer

642
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: may be yes. Sometimes I grew up under a very

643
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: big illusion, and it's not like Easter Bunny kind of stuff.

644
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: I grew up under the illusion that everyone who ran

645
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: an NFL organization, and everyone who scouted from the NFL

646
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: and scouty college football, they were all geniuses. Some of

647
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: them are. Many of the scouts are really good at

648
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: what they do. But the scouts aren't always the ones

649
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: making the picks. In fact, they're not the ones who

650
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: make the picks. General managers make the picks. Sometimes. General

651
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: managers don't have much of a background in football from

652
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: a tactical x's and o's coaching installation execution standpoint. They

653
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 1: understand the business mechanisms of football, but they don't understand

654
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: blocking and tackling. They don't understand the value, and so

655
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: a lot of times you can do all the due

656
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: diligence you want to as a scouting department, But then

657
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: you've got what they would call the underwear Olympics, which

658
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: happened in Indianapolis, or as you might know, at the

659
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: NFL Combine. And you got a guy that goes up

660
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: there and blazes a forty on you and does a

661
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: forty four and a half inch vertical in bench presses

662
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: twenty eight times at two twenty five, and none of

663
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: which will ever be done in a football game. And

664
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: you'll say to yourself, Wow, we found the hidden gem

665
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: in your scouting departments, Like yeah, but there are uncorrectable

666
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: flaws in his game that don't show up in shorts

667
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: and shirt in Indianapolis with track shoes on, Like what

668
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: are we doing right now? And that illusion was really

669
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: busted for me as I started to see the inner

670
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 1: workings of how the sport operates. Because little JP thought,

671
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: oh man, NFL scouts geniuses, and some of them are,

672
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: but the guys they report to are not always geniuses.

673
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: And that's why you see such a big miss rate

674
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: on a lot of draft picks cause you got you

675
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: still got some folks not knowing what they're doing, who

676
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: are drafting players from college football, And unlike college recruiting,

677
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: where sometimes it is a crap shoot because you're offering

678
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: guys that you've only seen play at the high school level,

679
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: NFL folks get to see guys play college football, so

680
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: for it to still be a crapshoot for them, it's

681
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: pretty incredible. So the best part is it's really fun

682
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: for me to watch guys run to forty like Xavier Worthy.

683
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: It was really fun for me to watch that. It's

684
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: really fun for me to watch Dallas Turner have over

685
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: a forty inch vertical and running faster than a lot

686
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: of the running backs Alabama's pumped out. I love that.

687
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: I know it's not football, but I love that it's

688
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: just It's the same as if I know that it's

689
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: going to be cold three weeks from now, If I'm

690
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: looking at long term model guidance and I know that

691
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: we're going to have sort of an inversion and a

692
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: trough over the eastern two thirds of the US and

693
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: it's going to be really cold in Nashville, doesn't guarantee

694
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: a snowstorm I know some of the ingredients are going

695
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: to be in place, so that if moisture overruns it,

696
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: we could have a bad situation on our hands. This

697
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: is the same thing. I mean, the combine is just

698
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: affirming some of the tools are in place that are

699
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: necessary to be a good football player, but so many

700
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: of the other things are unknown and intangible and frankly

701
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: aren't even knowable until you get live rounds and you

702
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: get him in the fox hole. That's when you find out.

703
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: And so that's the worst part, I guess of the combine,

704
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: people making definitive conclusions. I think the other worst part

705
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: of the combine is watching guys who are obviously NFL

706
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: and NFL only and they start talking about players you

707
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: and I have watched for four years, like they just

708
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: discovered someone. They're talking about Lad mcconkee, like they just

709
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: discovered Wow, there's this white receiver from George. Have you

710
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: guys seen him. Yeah, he's got two national championship rings,

711
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: he's playing for the best in a conference right now,

712
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: and he was hurt in the SEC championship game, which

713
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: significantly limited their ability to compete against Alabama at highest level. Yeah,

714
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: we know everything about him. Why are you talking about

715
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: him so wide eyed? Why is this the first you're

716
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: seeing of him? That's the other worst part. We move on.

717
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: This ought to be fun. This next question. Nathan hit

718
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: Me from Springfield, Oregon. Hey, what kind of engine would

719
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: pull the Pate State freights train? And what would the

720
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: consist be? We think in a Manifest, we think in

721
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: unit train, thinking intermodal here now, as for the engines,

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00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: I never really got into that. I never really got

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00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: into the specific style and kinds of engines. For those

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00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: of you unfamiliar, I kind of hop freight trains as

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00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: a hobby. It's just something I do. I stopped caring

726
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: a long time ago, but I love a good freight train.

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00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: Don't care about passenger trains. As I told Emily Proud

728
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: one time, I think that trains are very, very analogous

729
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: to humans. If you sit in the food court, which

730
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: once upon a time was a thing that people did

731
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: when they went to malls. If you sit in a

732
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: food court, or you sit in an airport terminal and

733
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: you just watch people walk by, you, think about how

734
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: similar that is to watching a Manifest freight train go

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00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: by you. A Manifest freight trains just one where it's

736
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: all different kinds of cars. It's not the same car.

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00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: You don't know where they came from, you don't know

738
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: where they're going, you don't know what's inside them. And

739
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: you will never see that collection of people or that

740
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: collection of cars again. It's just one moment in time

741
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: and you've got what your eyes can see. But that's

742
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: about it. And there's so much beneath the surface. It's

743
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: like seeing an iceberg. There's so much beneath the surface,

744
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: and you know you'll never get the story because it's

745
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: too much process, too many stories to get, and so

746
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: it just comes and it goes, and that's it, and

747
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: you're left to wonder. It's theater of the mind. You're

748
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: left to figure it out for yourself. That's why I

749
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: love Manifest freight trains. Now, if I'm hopping them, it's

750
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: normally an intermodal. Those are the big containers, the ones

751
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: that come from China and then arrive at the point

752
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: of support of San Francisco or down in southern California

753
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: Long Beach, and then they get taken to Dallas and

754
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: then they get re routed up to Chicago. The entire

755
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: process of shipping freight in this world is fascinating, just

756
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: fascinating to me. So I'm gonna go with manifest I

757
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: think a unit train sounds more solid and impressive, but

758
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: from a conceptual standpoint, give me a manifest train. All right,

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00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: Back to football, Welcome back everyone, Matt. Hit me up.

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00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: Think about this question. Ten years ago or three years ago,

761
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: how long will it take USC to realize they went

762
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: from being a top three in a power league to

763
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: the ninth best Big Ten program? Matt, I do not

764
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: believe USC is the ninth best Big Ten program. I'm

765
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: gonna have to have you list the eight programs better

766
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: than USC. This is an extreme that I'm not willing

767
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: to go to. Now. If you tell me that you

768
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: think USC may be the fifth best program in the

769
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: Big ten right now, I would agree, cause I put

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00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: them there the other day. Now, I define program different

771
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: than team. I define program as a mixture of on

772
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: field results over the last three years, stability and resources

773
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: over the last three years, and talent acquisition. And if

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00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: you blend those four things, that's where USC falls in

775
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: their new conference. They fall around the fifth spot, fourth, fifth, six,

776
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: somewhere in there, with obviously a ceiling of being number one.

777
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: They could be the number one program in the Big Ten.

778
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: Not everyone's capable of that, and so are they going

779
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: to be comfortable with it? Like, what are they going

780
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: to think about it? You know, they'll think what they

781
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: think about it. I will say this though, the good

782
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: news for USC fans, especially if you think I'm wrong

783
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: about that, or if you think MATCH wrong about it,

784
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: which I do, because they're not nine programs or eight

785
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: programs better than USC. That's an extreme. But if you

786
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: think I'm wrong and you think there aren't even five better,

787
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: USC will prove that wrong this year. Colin or Bradley,

788
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: whoever's punched in there, do you have schedule for USC

789
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: this year? Because I think something should be noted. So

790
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: USC opens with LSU in Las Vegas and then they

791
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: have Utah State. All right, So if you think about

792
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: USC this year, you could say out loud, well, they're

793
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: going to the Big Ten. That's a tough conference, and

794
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: that's a tough schedule, and it is. But if you

795
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: dive a little deeper, their toughest games, think about this.

796
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: They go to Michigan, but it's in the middle of

797
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: a rebuild year. Maybe for Michigan they go to Washington.

798
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: Total rebuild year for Washington, they do not play Ohio State,

799
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: they do not play Oregon, they get notre Dame at

800
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: home late in the year, they play LSU neutral site

801
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: to begin the year, and or LSU neutral site to

802
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: begin the year LSU breaking in a new quarterback. So

803
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: my point there is, if we're wrong and USC is

804
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: better than we expect, they ought to play for the

805
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: Big Ten championship this year because that schedule is not

806
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: a murderer's row, and their biggest road games very advantageous

807
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: spots for whoever they're playing to be in for USC,

808
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: so I look for a whole different set of reasons.

809
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: I think the Lincoln Riley experiment this year and in

810
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: coming years just fascinating because it's a guy who has

811
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: realized the criticisms about him have validity that he yeahs

812
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: an offensive guy, but his teams aren't tough enough, they

813
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: can't get stops defensively, they're just an afterthought, and that's

814
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: been true and he realized that, which most of them don't.

815
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: They're just too prideful to do it, and so he's

816
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: trying to change it. It's not gonna be overnight. People

817
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: are gonna expect a final result week one, and that's

818
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: not going to be the case, but I think that's

819
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: gonna be really fun to watch this year. Moving right along,

820
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is really good. I remember this one. Also,

821
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: just wanted you to know this little studio we've been

822
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: recording in as of late has a train horn in

823
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: it and random harmonica. But you give me the train horn.

824
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: So listen to this question. Davis from Savannah, Georgia. We

825
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: love Savannah. We love a good Savannah. He says, what's

826
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: a state you haven't traveled to that you wish to

827
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: travel to someday? College football related or not, well for

828
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: college football. I have not been to a game at Oklahoma.

829
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: I've been in the state of Oklahoma, you know, stormchasing,

830
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: but I have not been to a game there. So

831
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: I really want to go to Oklahoma. I have never

832
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: been to the state of Maine. I would love to

833
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: go to Maine. I would have never been to Hawaii, obviously,

834
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: would love to go to Hawaii. Alaska. Never made my

835
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: way up there either. But there was a time two

836
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: years ago that we tried to make a case to

837
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: management for going to the Montana Montana State game. I

838
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: think they call that game the Brawl of the Wild,

839
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: just an unbelievable rivalry game name and the high was

840
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: going to be like six below zero. It was going

841
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: to be wonderful. We didn't get to make it up there,

842
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: but I do want to make it up there. It's

843
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: tough because, like, we're going to the biggest game in

844
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: the country every week, and it's tough to do what

845
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: College Game Day does sometimes and they just say we're

846
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: going to mix a random off the beaten path game

847
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: in Well, I haven't done that. That doesn't mean I

848
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: can't do that. Strangely, I've also never been to Minnesota,

849
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: and growing up in third grade, I did a book

850
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: report on International Falls Minnesota. No, no, no, I did

851
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: one on Minneapolis Minnesota. International Falls was my backup if

852
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: someone else had picked Minneapolis. But being that I was

853
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: going to elementary school in Phoenix City, Alabama, there was

854
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: not a big line of folks signing up to do

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Speaker 1: think it's a follow up to what we talked about

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Speaker 1: last week. Uh, zip acoll just pause so you guys

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Speaker 1: may or may not remember last week on this pod,

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00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 1: the Late Kick Extra Pod, I did a little segment

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Speaker 1: and someone had asked me, what about data and analytics

902
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: is affecting college football the most? And I told you, guys,

903
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: hiring is where it's affecting things the most. And I

904
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: told you that some places have such an antiquated approach

905
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: to hiring even today, that it would disappoint you thoroughly

906
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: to know how little science there is in the approach

907
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: to some of your favorite programs hiring, and how much

908
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: backslapping and handshaking there is in the approach. And it's

909
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: basically just to who you know and who you're affiliated

910
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: with sort of deal. So anyway, with that in mind,

911
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 1: here's the question for today. Will universities stop giving fully

912
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: guaranteed contracts to new coaches. It's a bad business move

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Speaker 1: for universities that are losing money. I don't know if

914
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: we're ever going to get to that point, because I

915
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: always think there'll be too big a market of desperate

916
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: programs out there willing to give fully guaranteed contracts with

917
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: massive buyouts that it only takes one or two in

918
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: the room before that becomes the market and that becomes

919
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: the norm. And I don't know that we're ever getting

920
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: rid of that, but I'll tell you something. But Elliott

921
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: points out a lot that he's spot on with. For

922
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: a long time, you have not had to pay college

923
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 1: football players to play college or to play college football,

924
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: and so you've had massive revenue, just massive profit. But

925
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Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't look that way on a P and

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Speaker 1: L sheet. And the reason is because those colleges have

927
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Speaker 1: been smart enough to hoard all the money, but they've

928
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: also been smart enough to realize, we cannot be having

929
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: five hundred million dollars cash on hand here because it'll

930
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: make us look terrible. We've got to put this money somewhere.

931
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Speaker 1: So what do they do. They go build palatial facility,

932
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: and they go pay coaches way above and beyond what

933
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Speaker 1: they should probably be making. Now. A lot of coaches

934
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Speaker 1: listen to this show. I love you, guys, I love

935
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Speaker 1: you to death. I appreciate what you do and fight

936
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Speaker 1: for you when you need to be fought for as

937
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Speaker 1: much as I can fight with a microphone. But some

938
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Speaker 1: of you make a lot of money, which I'm all for.

939
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Speaker 1: I'm all for you getting your money. I'm just calling

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Speaker 1: it like it is. A lot of You make what

941
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: you make because money had to be hidden, and so

942
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Speaker 1: it's hidden in the form of contracts being paid to coaches,

943
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: and everyone's kind of been wise to it. Administrators know it,

944
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: ads know it, but it's not their money, so it

945
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Agents know it, but hey, we don't care

946
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Speaker 1: because we'd love it for it to be our money

947
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: and our client's money. And everyone's kind of been in

948
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Speaker 1: on the game. So here's the multimillion dollar question. If

949
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Speaker 1: you ever have to start paying the players, which is

950
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: coming very very near future, it's coming, what does that

951
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: cut into. One thing that's cutting into is you will

952
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: never see widespread facility enhancements again in the near future

953
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: in this sport. Like you had seen a huge run

954
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Speaker 1: on over the past twenty years, everybody was overhauling their facilities.

955
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Speaker 1: Now tell you the ones who got the luckiest. Georgia

956
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Speaker 1: is one of them. I was just at Georgia last

957
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: week and they just finished a big renovation there. In fact,

958
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: you walk in the Buttsmeyor Football facility and it's a beautiful,

959
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: like in the round set up when you walk in

960
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: and there's construction going on in there even as we speak,

961
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: but they're putting the finishing touches on a new renovation.

962
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: They got that thing signed off on right before the

963
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: nil wave hit college football. Because once the nil wave

964
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: hit college football, the folks who were going to be

965
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: writing those checks to go to facility enhancements, and a

966
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Speaker 1: lot of the money that was going to go towards

967
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: facility enhancements got redirected, and no one's paying the upgrade

968
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: facilities anymore. It's kind of like in the NFL, if

969
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: it's just free agency and you're just kind of signing

970
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: mercenary contracts. You're not recruiting in the classical sense anymore.

971
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: You're just going in signing guys, and so no one

972
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: cares that you have a waterfall or a slide in

973
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: your athletic facility. They care how much you can pay

974
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: them and whether they can play or not. That's it.

975
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: That's not broad strokes, but individual case by case that's it.

976
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: So you'll have facility enhancements really slow down. Will you

977
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: have the coaching contract balloon burst? I think a little bit,

978
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: But I still think the biggest names in the sport

979
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: will make as much as they've always made. I just

980
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: think the second tier. I think there will grow a

981
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: gap between the highest paid coaches and whatever Tier two

982
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: and really tier three is now, there's already a gap.

983
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: I think that gap will grow. So I think that's

984
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: probably what the future there is. But guaranteed, money's going

985
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: to be in there. If you want to weave it

986
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: through incentives a little bit more, you can try. And candidly,

987
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: I wish that was the way all contracts were structured,

988
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: and I wish that I wish that it was harder

989
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: for coaches to leave when they sign somewhere. I think

990
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: one of the valid complaints from the player's side is,

991
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: you guys can move all the time. Don't be telling

992
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: us that we need to be locked in. Don't be

993
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: telling us that once we sign a scholarship or we

994
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: sign a piece of paper and claim that we're transferring there,

995
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: that we should be locked in for the year. If

996
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 1: you guys aren't locked in. And I have never been

997
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: someone who buys into the argument, well, coaches move all

998
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: the time, so players should be able to move all

999
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,479
Speaker 1: the time. Cause coaches and players are two different things.

1000
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: One of them are a group of folks who have contracts,

1001
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: and there are buyout caveats baked in to where there

1002
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: is a penalty if you break that contract. If James

1003
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: Coley goes to South Carolina and then a few weeks

1004
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: later Georgia wants to bring him home to Athens, they

1005
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 1: have to pay South Carolina like half a million dollars

1006
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: in buyout money. It doesn't stop it from happening, but

1007
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: they do so anyway, it's not apples to apples, but

1008
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: from fifty thousand feet, as long as you got that

1009
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: mess happening, like as long as you got the offensive

1010
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: line coach at Baylor being there for two months and

1011
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: then going to Alabama, then I'm not about to listen

1012
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: to folks complain all that much about players moving freely.

1013
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: So the way to solve that, because I don't want

1014
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: players moving all over the place all the time like

1015
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: they do right now, I don't think it's great for

1016
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: the sport. The way to solve that is get tougher

1017
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: on how free coaches are to move, get tougher in

1018
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: the language, get tougher on the penalty that you have

1019
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: to pay to break those contracts. Because right now it's

1020
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: child's play. I mean right, five hundred thousand dollars is

1021
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: nothing to the University of Georgia to go get who

1022
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: they want? This nothing. I wish it was tougher to

1023
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:45,479
Speaker 1: do that. Next up the Huddle College Football Podcast, hiped

1024
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: me up and said, as college football playoff commissioner, I

1025
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: just want to be the college football comissioner. Maybe not

1026
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: the playoff commissioner, but as the college football comissioner. You're

1027
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: tasked with one final conference realignment. What are the conferences

1028
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: look like? You can create new ones, resurrect old ones,

1029
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: but they have to stay this way forever. Producer Jesse

1030
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: and I were talking right before I came in here,

1031
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: and you know what, I think that we want to

1032
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: make this a full segment on the Thursday Night show

1033
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: because I really want some visual aids with this, and

1034
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: I also need to work shop it because I've got

1035
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: a piece of paper in my hand right now I

1036
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 1: wrote I wrote down the entire structure of the sport.

1037
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, I brought back the Big East.

1038
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 1: I am absolutely bringing back the Southwest Conference. I'm having

1039
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: no more than ten teams per conference. Therefore, everyone will

1040
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: play everyone in their conference every given year. The PAC

1041
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: ten is back, not twelve. The PAC ten is coming back.

1042
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: I may allow conferences to keep their names, like the

1043
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: Big twelve can keep its name if it wants to.

1044
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: Or you could be the Big eight, which was a

1045
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: thing once upon a time. But I've got the thing

1046
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: structured here, but I want to give it about forty

1047
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: eight hours of thought, and I will be happy to

1048
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 1: take your submit, by the way, because tens of thousands

1049
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: of you will have heard this by then, and so

1050
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: you can hit me up. You know how to get

1051
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: at me at late kick Josh, and I am gonna

1052
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to decide what I want to do with

1053
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. It's not an automatic that I'm going to

1054
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: put them in a conference, but I am open to

1055
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 1: suggestions and I am trying to not leave any major

1056
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: programs behind. And I think I've got enough seats at

1057
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: the table, So just hang tight on that and I

1058
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: will get you more Thursday night. Remember, remember, friends, we

1059
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Speaker 1: need only for you to subscribe to the podcast. Now.

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1062
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1063
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