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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ Bucky

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Speaker 1: together Buck. As we head towards the draft, man, we

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Speaker 1: But it's on DJ. It's so fast because once you

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Speaker 1: You've got a better team now than you did two

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Speaker 1: years ago. You're going to have to pay Justin here

428
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Speaker 1: coming up before the team is really really good and

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Speaker 1: ready to win. You extend that period out. You could

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Speaker 1: then trade Justin and get some draft capital and return.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that would look like. I mean

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Speaker 1: a worst case scenario, you get into two maybe you

433
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Speaker 1: get a future one. You already have all these extra picks.

434
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Speaker 1: You've already picked up DJ Moore. We've reset the quarterback clock.

435
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Speaker 1: We get extra picks for Justin Fields. Now. I know

436
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Speaker 1: in Chicago with the fan base, they've grown attached to

437
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 1: Justin and Justin suns some some fun things to watch

438
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Speaker 1: with what he's done with his legs and glimpses and

439
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 1: flashes with his arm. But Buck, I'm telling you, man like,

440
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,360
Speaker 1: has he done enough to not even, you know, consider this.

441
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Speaker 1: Maybe they don't do it, but I guarantee you this discussion,

442
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Speaker 1: in this scenario, this conversation has to take place. Tell

443
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Speaker 1: me I'm crazy. I think you're a look crazy. But

444
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 1: the conversation, the conversations, the conversation has to take place.

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Speaker 1: And let's go back a couple of years ago when

446
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Speaker 1: Justin Fields was coming out, we had a similar conversation,

447
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Speaker 1: but it was flipped because I was saying, this could

448
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Speaker 1: be a scenario where we've talked about it, like, I

449
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 1: wonder if the league will ever become very collegiate in

450
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 1: nature in terms of the quarterback position, where you draft

451
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Speaker 1: a quarterback, you keep him for four or five years,

452
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Speaker 1: and then he graduates and then you bring in the

453
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Speaker 1: other quarterback, because we now have seen the best way

454
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Speaker 1: to build a title contender is to have a small

455
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Speaker 1: amount of camp space allotted to the quarterback. And so

456
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Speaker 1: in this scenario, it almost gives us another situation to

457
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Speaker 1: talk about graduating and moving on from quarterbacks and always

458
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Speaker 1: having a quarterback on a ricky deal. So Justin Fields

459
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Speaker 1: is going into his third season. What I would say

460
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Speaker 1: is the difference to me between Justin Fields and Anthony Richson.

461
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Speaker 1: I believe Justin Fields is a much better player. He

462
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Speaker 1: was a better college player. I feel like he's a

463
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Speaker 1: better prospect in those things without questions. I'll give him

464
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Speaker 1: credit for having a thousand rushing yards in those things

465
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Speaker 1: International Football League that even exceeded what we thought about

466
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Speaker 1: him as a runner, an athlete that said you could

467
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Speaker 1: talk yourself into Okay, Anthony Richston is going to be

468
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Speaker 1: our quarterback. If we take Anthony Richton and do the

469
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Speaker 1: same things that we did with Justin Fields. One, you

470
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Speaker 1: talk to Luke Gettis, how would our offense look with

471
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Speaker 1: Justin Fields compared to Anthony Rison? Are they major changes? Secondly,

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Speaker 1: do we feel like Anthony Richinson can be good enough

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Speaker 1: as a rower to take advantage of some of the

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Speaker 1: things that we have in place, DJ Moore, some of

475
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Speaker 1: the other young guys that we already have there that

476
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Speaker 1: we can throw it on the perimeter. Are we good

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Speaker 1: enough up front where we really can physically run the

478
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Speaker 1: football like we want to do it? Not saying that

479
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Speaker 1: we're gonna be Baltimore of the Midwest, but we're going

480
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Speaker 1: to adopt some of the principles that the Ravens used

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Speaker 1: to help Lamar Jackson. So there is a conversation. Then

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Speaker 1: ultimately it comes down to DJ. We talk about the scenarios.

483
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Speaker 1: So this is bucket A justin fields and what we have,

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Speaker 1: ye Bucket B Anthony richardson what we have and the

485
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Speaker 1: additional draft picks. What does the win rate potentially look

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Speaker 1: like at the end of this year with Bucket A

487
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Speaker 1: and Bucket B? What does the win rate look like

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four with that? And then I think

489
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Speaker 1: you have to put names and faces with some of that,

490
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Speaker 1: and didn't have it out, but it certainly is worth

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Speaker 1: a conversation. And one of the things that you want

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Speaker 1: to do is to be able to step back and

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Speaker 1: look at Look there were people that were seeing if

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young was if Bryce run was taller, Chicago Bears

495
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Speaker 1: would automatically take Bryce Young and move on like we

496
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Speaker 1: saw the Arizona Cardinals due Kylin Murray and Josh Rosen.

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Speaker 1: And so it is a valuable conversation to have. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't opt to move on from Justin Fields for Anthony Richson.

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Speaker 1: But I'm also not sitting here saying that Justin Fields

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Speaker 1: is a it is a perfect player and prospect in

501
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Speaker 1: those things. He has to grow in certain areas and

502
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Speaker 1: so it's critical for him in year three to do it.

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Speaker 1: But I would continue down the path that they're on.

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Speaker 1: But you certainly have to consider the conversation of Anthony

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Speaker 1: Richarson is there at nine. You gotta have that because

506
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Speaker 1: you owe it to the franchise to talk about what's

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Speaker 1: in the best interests of the franchise without being emotionally

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Speaker 1: attached to the players that were discussing. All right, Buck,

509
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna put some numbers on this for

510
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Speaker 1: you real quick. Again, I'm not saying that there's any

511
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Speaker 1: any chance this happens. I'm just presenting to you an option.

512
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Speaker 1: So last year, Charles Cross was the ninth pick. Okay,

513
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: Charles Cross signed a four year, twenty one point three

514
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: million dollar deal. Charles cross As cap hits are three

515
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: point eight million, four point eight million, five point eight million,

516
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Speaker 1: six point eight million. You're getting ready in the not

517
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: too distant future to put Justin Fields in that forty

518
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Speaker 1: five to fifty million dollar range is what that's just

519
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Speaker 1: going to be, what the going rate is. So for

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Speaker 1: two years of your football team, you're going to have

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Speaker 1: a massive gap between those two players. So Justin Fields

522
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Speaker 1: doesn't need to be better than Anthony Richardson. Justin Fields

523
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Speaker 1: has to be sizeably better than Anthony Richardson because you

524
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Speaker 1: get Anthony Richardson plus two years of flexibility to load

525
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Speaker 1: up your roster. You get you can get two or

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Speaker 1: three elite players at other positions to go along with

527
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: that gap, and money that you have right there, not

528
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Speaker 1: to mention whatever you'd get for Fields in a trade.

529
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Speaker 1: So I feel like, again, does this likely to happen? Man?

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Speaker 1: Probably not. Is it a situation as a scenario that

531
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: they should be kicking around. Absolutely, they should be having

532
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: this conversation and they should be debating it in the room,

533
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: And maybe that gives him more clarity. Maybe they come

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Speaker 1: out of that meeting and say, we've never believed more

535
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Speaker 1: in justin fields than we do right now. We're more excited.

536
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: We're excited to pay him, we're excited to move forward.

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00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: Maybe they come out of that room, Buck and go,

538
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: hold on, now, wait a second, look at this option

539
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Speaker 1: of what we can have here. If this falls this way,

540
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Speaker 1: this is a different it's a it's a different it's

541
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Speaker 1: a different conversation. Man, that's all. That's all I'm getting at.

542
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: And maybe he's not there. Maybe all this doesn't even matter.

543
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: Maybe he's not there when they pick. But it's a

544
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Speaker 1: scenario that's fail me. I'm more inclined to believe that

545
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: he's there. Yeah, I'm more. I'm more inclined to believe

546
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Speaker 1: that he is going to be there. I'm not convinced

547
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Speaker 1: that he's going to be taken into top ten. I

548
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: know it's fun for us to speculate, Like I know,

549
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: it's fun on the bright lights to talk about these

550
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: things because everyone gets excited about quarterbacks. I know it's

551
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: fun too talk about these things. When it comes to

552
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: mock drafts. I think it's different when it's time to

553
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: put the trigger and make a decision. And so when

554
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: we're talking about this at nine. This is a conversation

555
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: where Ryan Poles and Matt even Flows have to make

556
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: a real decision on how they want to build it.

557
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: They have to bring in ownership and talk about, here's

558
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: what we're thinking and here's why we're seeing it could

559
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: be in the best interests of the team if we

560
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: elect to go this route. The issue that ownership could

561
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: have with this scenario is they're going to look at

562
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Speaker 1: the division and if you look at the division, division

563
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: appears to be wide open because you have Aaron Rodgers

564
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: out of the Packers. So Jordan Love takes over. You

565
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: wonder what they're going to look like. You have to

566
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: detort lions on the come, but no one knows what

567
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: that's going to look like. And then the Minnesota Vikings

568
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: appear to be coming back to the pack based on

569
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Speaker 1: the mass exodus that they've had and the Cole Cousins,

570
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: her cousins. You know, run is getting ready to come

571
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: to a close, right. So the thing that you would

572
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: have to convince ownership on is, look, it might not

573
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: even be a step back for us to make the

574
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: move because the division is wide up. The NFC is

575
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: wide open because you have Philadelphia Eagles you have the Niners,

576
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: but then really you have a lot of just like

577
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: openness based on the quarterbacks, and so depending on how

578
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: you sell this like ownership has to be on board

579
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Speaker 1: to make this happen, and you have to be able

580
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Speaker 1: to really not only sell the plan. I gotta visualize

581
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: what the plan is. Here's what we're going to do

582
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: with Anthony Richardson to get him going. Here's how we're

583
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: gonna take the other assets that we get this year

584
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Speaker 1: to make it happen. Because if I traded justin fields

585
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: this year, I got to get something this year and

586
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: make it happen. We got DJ Moore, we have other

587
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: intriguing young players to play, but we gotta get on.

588
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: And then the pressure goinges on Matlow. It's like, hey man,

589
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: you gotta take what you have right now and make

590
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: them competitive. But it's no different than what we saw

591
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: from the Seattle Seahawks. The Seattle Seahawks weren't supposed to

592
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: be contending for playoffs after they got rid of Russell Wilson.

593
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: They were supposed to be out of it. Everyone thought

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Speaker 1: they were crazy. And now we have a scenario where

595
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: people saying, hey man, not only did Geno Smith outplay

596
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, but he might be a better fit for

597
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: what the Seattle Seahawks want to do going forward than

598
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: what Russell Wilson offered them. So it's not crazy. But

599
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: we said that they were crazy. We said that they're

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00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: gonna be seller dwellers, and they didn't. So that's part

601
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: of being convicted. It's also part of being in locks up.

602
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: General manager, head coach. Now we're going about it, and

603
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: we're not afraid. We're not afraid of the incoming that's

604
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: going to happen when we make this decision. All Right,

605
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: you said there at the beginning of that buck that

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Speaker 1: you think anthrow Richardon will be there. Let me tell

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00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: you why I think you might be right there. The

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Speaker 1: number is three hundred and ninety three, three hundred and

609
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: ninety three pass attempts. That's it. That is it. Bryce

610
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Speaker 1: Young nine hundred forty nine. CJ. Strout eight hundred and

611
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Speaker 1: thirty leven, seven thirty eight. This dude's only attempted three

612
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety three passes. He's only started thirteen games,

613
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: the same number of games that Trubisky started coming out.

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Speaker 1: So if you're looking at why, you know all the

615
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: you know, the buzz has started to fade a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I think that's where the trepidation is. I think that's

617
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Speaker 1: where the fear is is that it's not okay, he's raw.

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Speaker 1: It's not okay, this might take a little time. It's

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Speaker 1: the man. The sample size is so small, and that

620
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Speaker 1: has been a major red flag through the evaluation process.

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Speaker 1: So to put a bow on this whole thing here,

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Speaker 1: I would be scared to do that. If I was Chicago,

623
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Speaker 1: I would be scared to move on the dust and fields.

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Speaker 1: Personally I would. I'm not gonna lie, but but I

625
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: think that in teams taken behind the curtain, you have

626
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: these scenario meetings. This is not you know, this is

627
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: not just us goofing around here. Well, this is doing things.

628
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Speaker 1: So this is doing happened. This is doing your due diligence.

629
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Speaker 1: And in a real situation where you have draft meetings,

630
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: like someone needs to throw the grenade so we can

631
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: have the discussion, because if everyone is getting along and

632
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: everyone is saying like, oh, it's all great, then it's

633
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: not right. And this should be a discussion that you

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Speaker 1: have without it being acrimonious, without it being something that

635
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: has linguar like let's have this discussion, and whatever is

636
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: said in this room doesn't leave the room. But we

637
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: have to explore every player is under evaluation and every

638
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: player is subject to be removed if it brings about

639
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: something that's going to help the team go to the

640
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: next level. Every player is replaceable. That's what it is.

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00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: And so you have to have the conversation when we're

642
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: doing it in DJ we have to always compare and

643
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: contrast this player versus that player, this player versus that player,

644
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: or as we do as we get closer to the draft,

645
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: would I'd rather have this combination of players or that

646
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: combination of players that's playing the game, that's playing the

647
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: game and no different, Like it was really out into

648
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: me when CEO Jed your CEO of the forty nine,

649
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: it's talked about look without us doing the trey Land

650
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 1: still and brock Purty, we don't get JR. Von Hargrave.

651
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: So when the owner says that and he is open

652
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: about it, and I was like, whoa. And owners talk, okay,

653
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: and so you've heard other people talk. We can talk

654
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: about Lamar and people are talking about collusion and those things.

655
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's necessarily that, but here's what

656
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: I think. I think teams are looking around at what

657
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles were able to do with Jalen Hurts,

658
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: and they're like, man, they've moved on from there. They've

659
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: got Jalen Hurts, but look at the rest of their team.

660
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: It's the best roster in the NFL. Last year they

661
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: didn't win the championship. I was the best roster. Look

662
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: at their team. Okay, all right, so then we have

663
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: let's look at the Sancisco forty nine ers. Man, they

664
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: played with all those guys on the cheap deal. Look

665
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: at their team, and then what we have to do.

666
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: And it is easy to fall into this thing where

667
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: we kind of give people giveaway grays or they give

668
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: away accolades about elite and top five in this thing

669
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: and DJ then I look at the Super Bowl and

670
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Pat Mahomes and I'm looking at the

671
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. Removed everything notes, every kill. This now

672
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna have. We're gonna have Travis Kelsey, some unknowns.

673
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a defense that's loaded with rookies, and

674
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: my quarterback is gonna get us to the Super Bowl

675
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: and we're gonna win it. Is my quarterback like that?

676
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: Because if my quarterback isn't like that, we're looking for that.

677
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: We're not saying we're looking for that. And two we

678
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: get that, we'll continue to roll it out. Because DJ,

679
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: if you're not one of those teams with a top

680
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 1: four quarterback that we're talking about, yeah, you ain't got

681
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: a shot. No, not running that gauntlet acres. Not an AFC,

682
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: you don't have a shot. And and and you have

683
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: to think about building your team to win the chip. Well,

684
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: those guys are all young and they're not going anywhere.

685
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: So whether you're in the AFC or where in the NFC,

686
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: you can't have to play him in the zoo ball.

687
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: It's a one game deal. But you got to load

688
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: your team up. And so if you don't have one

689
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: of those special guys like Pat Mahomes that can make

690
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: it all right, you got to consider building your team

691
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: like this until you can drop it in. Yeah. No,

692
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: it's why these these conversations are taking place. Last thing,

693
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 1: and then we'll take a quick break here about those

694
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: scenario meetings. I think people might be fascinating to know

695
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: what kind of goes on behind closed doors there. So

696
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: one of the things will happen with the upper level

697
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: of management. When you're talking about head coach GM, your

698
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: owner might be in there. You might have personnel directors,

699
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: college directors in there. Say let's just take a generic team.

700
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: Say you're picking twenty five. You will have a conversation

701
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: that says, Okay, these are six players that we love.

702
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: If one of these six players gets to ten, we'll

703
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: consider trying to go get them. You know, if one

704
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: of these five or six players gets to twelve. So

705
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a number of players, you're gonna have

706
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: a range of where you'll start making phone calls. And

707
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: those phone calls will take place ahead of time. Hey,

708
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: you know, call in, check in right now. That's why

709
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: I always be larrily anytime you hear, oh, this team's

710
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 1: had trade talks. Yeah, every team checks in with everybody,

711
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 1: every team because we want to know, hey, if we're

712
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: if we're if our guys there and your guy and

713
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: you're not happy with who's there, we'd we'd be interested

714
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: in moving up if one of our guys is there,

715
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: and this is kind of what this could look like,

716
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: let's try and talk that out a little bit. At least,

717
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: whether you know, hey, thumbs up, thumb down, and then

718
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: you have another group it says, okay, we're picking twenty five.

719
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: If one of these, let's say one of these ten

720
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: players gets to twenty, okay, we'd be willing to move

721
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: up just a little bit for these. You know, the

722
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: first six guys will go aggressive. Maybe those next four

723
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: guys we'd be willing to move up a little bit.

724
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,959
Speaker 1: And then we might say, okay, we're picking twenty five.

725
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: We only have eighteen players that we really really like.

726
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: If all eighteen of those are gone, we're trying to

727
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: get out. We're getting out of there. And so those

728
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: are the conversations we're taking place. Those other conversations taking place,

729
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: and so more behind the scenes stuff. When it comes

730
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: to those phone calls, DJ, you're calling all the time

731
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: the week leading up to the draft. That's what everyone

732
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: is doing, fielding phone calls. Hey man, are you married

733
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: to picking at eight? Yeah? Would you be willing to

734
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: get up? Okay? Cool, We just want to have the

735
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: initial conversation. We're not even talking about terms and conditions

736
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: and how much it is. Would you just be entertained

737
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: the thoughts? Some people like, no, we're good, Yeah, we

738
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: have enough on the board. Or you're too far. That's

739
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: you know what, you guys are too far. We're not

740
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: dropping back that far. Like, so you have that, you're like, okay, cool,

741
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: and you just keep working down the list. We're like, okay,

742
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: look we have at home. Maybe at eleven Tennessee, might

743
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: be we can probably get to eleven. Okay, we can

744
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: get to we can get to thirteen. All right. So

745
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out the range and you're trying

746
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: to wait, where can we get to with the top

747
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: players that are on your board? Yep? And you're playing

748
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: those scenarios and so a lot of this stuff when

749
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: people talk about mock drafting, that's what we're doing. Where

750
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: we're mock drafting in the room. It's not just playing

751
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: that as okay, who could be available? Okay, now we

752
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: do that, you know what, maybe this guy is going

753
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: to be They're like, I know, we have them ranked here,

754
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: but we're looking at who needs what and we play

755
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 1: these scenarios. Hey man, it might be this pass rusher,

756
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: this cornerback, this receiver. Who do we like the best?

757
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: So are we cool with any of these guys that

758
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: are on the board, because then that also determines our strategy,

759
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: and you know what, we like all three of these guys, Well,

760
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna be there, so maybe and fall back and

761
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: somebody will be there for us to put no doubt.

762
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break. We're gonna come back.

763
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: We're gonna hit on some polarizing players in this draft,

764
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk with Jason Kelsey of the Philadelphia

765
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: Eagles right after this. All right, Buck, you got an

766
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: outstanding article out. It's the ten most polarizing draft prospects.

767
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: They're not in any particular order, but some interesting names.

768
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: I feel like we've talked about the quarterbacks a little bit.

769
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: You've got Richardson and Levis on that list, some other

770
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: guys that I find I'm with you in terms of

771
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: being really fascinating studies. I want to get to the

772
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: corner here in Keilely Ringo from Georgia and why you

773
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: have him on this list and what you think draft

774
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: day looks like for him. You know, Keiley Ringo is

775
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: really interesting because he's one of the best athletes that

776
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: you will find, straight straight line athlete, incredible track history

777
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: and numbers in his background. So he's a world class athlete.

778
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: That's it. His athleticism hasn't messed with technique to make

779
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: him the player that he could be. And so depending

780
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: on where you're at and how you play, you may

781
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: have a different viewpoint on Ringo in terms of his potential,

782
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: his immediate potential as a player. If you're a team

783
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: like the Seattle Seahawks that kind of allowed their athletes

784
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: to play like athletes on the perimeter, you're gonna bump

785
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: a run, You're gonna straight line run. Cool, it works.

786
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: But if you're a team that has a little more

787
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: nuanced to your coverage, you play off your backpedal, you

788
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: wanted to do some different things, he might not be

789
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: a fit. So his polarization comes from his style of play,

790
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: where he is in his developmental process, and how soon

791
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: you need him to be ready to play and ready

792
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: to play at a high level. Yeah, I mean, he's

793
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: one of those guys when we were talking about the

794
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: other day, the thought of okay, guys have been punished enough,

795
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: Like okay, you know, there was some thought process early on.

796
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: Maybe as the beginning of the draft process begins and

797
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: people are talking about him as a top fifteen pick

798
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: and you're like, come on, no, that's too early you

799
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: can't do that top fifteen. But then it gets to

800
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: the point where you're like, oh man, now we're not

801
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: taking this student second round. What we get? How did

802
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: we get from here to here? Um? Like to me,

803
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: I think he's you know, I have him, like in

804
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: the early forties, I believe I'm my list. Let's see,

805
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: I pulled up right here Keiley Ringo, I have it.

806
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: So I have him at forty six. So I was

807
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: talking to a team the other day, UM, and they said,

808
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: look that dude's going in the top. He's gonna go

809
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: on the top thirty five picks. And he said, just

810
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: look at the other Georgia guys. Look at look at

811
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: Tyson Campbell who used see down there in Jacksonville. Um,

812
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: and look at Stokes with the with green back. Like

813
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: Stokes went in one right and Campbell was what the

814
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: first pick of the second round? Yeah, yes, they both

815
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: went in the top thirty five picks. And and you

816
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: would say both or height, weight speed guys who weren't

817
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 1: super polished. I thought Stokes a little bit tight Keiley

818
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: Ringo height weight speed, He's tough, he's a little bit tight. Um.

819
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, height weight, speed,

820
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: toughness at Corner and you played at Georgia and you've played,

821
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, on a great pay games. So yeah, I

822
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: know he's got beat up a little bit, which I

823
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: think was fair, but it's gone. It's probably gone too far,

824
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: Like this guy is gonna go in the early second

825
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 1: round at worst. At worst DJ, you just don't find

826
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: guys that are his size, with his speed and physical attributes.

827
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: We can talk about coaching them up, and that's the

828
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: other part of it. We talk about scouting players, but

829
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: sometimes you got to scouture coaches. And so if you

830
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: feel like you have a good development program based on

831
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: who your dB coach is, based on the coordinator, based

832
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: on their patience when it comes to young players developing,

833
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: you take him because it's hard to find a ball

834
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: of clay with that kind of stuff, you know. And

835
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: let's let's be honest. Let's talk about the two top

836
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 1: dbs last year at Corner as rookies, Sauce Gardner Toteric Willing.

837
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner had all the stuff on display, Ark Willing

838
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: had all of the attributes and tools. Ark Willing gave

839
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: sauce Gardner a push a run for his money when

840
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: it came to that. So so now based on what

841
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: Woolan success is, there are gonna be other teams that'll

842
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: be like, look, man, I hear you talking about a

843
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: he can't do this, he can't do that. But you

844
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: know what he is. He's tall, he runs fast, and

845
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: he's strong. I'll take I can work with that. I

846
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: figured out, I'll rest out. I mean, so there's something

847
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: to that. And you're right, you're talking about being punished enough.

848
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: They're handful of guys that are very similar to Kili Ringo. Yeah, no,

849
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: that's an interesting one. I want to get you one

850
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: more here and then we'll get to our conversation with

851
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: Jason Kelsey again. You can find this article. Just go

852
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: to NFL dot com. You can find Buckey's article on

853
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: ten polarizing draft prospects. So one more I want to

854
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: get to here. Look to me. We talked about him

855
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: on television the other day. But I do think that

856
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison is a fascinating case study at somebody who's

857
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: a really good player on tape. He's one hundred and

858
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: seventy three pounds, So I think that's the variable that

859
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: makes him polarizing, maybe more so than anything else just

860
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: to wait. It is the way thing, the way the

861
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: way thing is just I mean, we're at a time

862
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: we've talked about this about little dudes in the league

863
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: being for the heavyweights, and so when you think about

864
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,479
Speaker 1: one seventy three, you worry about durability. You also worry

865
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: about like play strength and the ability to work through

866
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: some of the rigors of just man playing the game.

867
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: But the lighter you are, the more skilled you have

868
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: to be in terms of your ability to maneuver and

869
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: what you have in the bag in those things. And

870
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: to be fair, he had a I say, it's a

871
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: difficult evaluation because it's two different systems, you know, and

872
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out, like which one is he

873
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: closer to. Because I went back because I felt like

874
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: I was, as you said, he's been punished enough. I

875
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: felt like I was at that point. I was like, well,

876
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: let me go back and look, and you're like, man,

877
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: like I remember like last year writing this guy up

878
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: and looking like he went off. He does this stuff.

879
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: He had more run after catch stuff, he had more

880
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: big plays. He seemed like he was unguardable, and those things.

881
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: Played with high in quarter to play high in quarterbacks

882
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: at both places, but the system was more of a

883
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: showcase system at PITT than at USC, And so I

884
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's a really good conversation about

885
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: him in way Fit because DJF talked the guys who

886
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: absolutely love him as the number one. He's number one?

887
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: What's he talking about? There's not it's not even a bay.

888
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: He's the best one to look at what he does

889
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: that that that you know, and then the other guys like, yeah,

890
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. And so I really believe his money

891
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: will be made or his money has been made when

892
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: he's had a chance to work out one on one

893
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: for teams and they're able to look at and talk

894
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: to him about in our system, here's what's required of

895
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: our guys. How familiar are you with this? What can

896
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: you do? What are some of the go to like that,

897
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: like the really nuanced part of playing the position to

898
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: me is where he can win out if you can

899
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: articulate playing and then demonstrate it, that's where he can

900
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: kind of eliminate some of the questions that you may

901
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: have from last year at see like why didn't you

902
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: dominate like we thought you would dominate as a reigning

903
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: Bulit award winner and stuff like that. Well, I'll say this,

904
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: if he ends up and I have him as my

905
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: top receiver, you have JS and Jackson Smith and Jigba.

906
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: I think Jackson Smith and jig was gonna go ahead

907
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: of him and just talking to folks around the league.

908
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: So I think he does. But if for some reason

909
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: Addison goes first, he needs to write thank you cards

910
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: and he needs to address one to Davante Smith and

911
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: he needs to address the other one to John Dotson

912
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: because those are the two skinny receivers over the last

913
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: couple of years that have come in and played well

914
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: and had an impact. So it's always easier in the

915
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: draft room when you can say, Okay, hey, you know this,

916
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: this guy's doing it, and so this that proves this

917
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: guy can do it. You know, I think that's kind

918
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: of you know, I concept. You know, it's funny, like

919
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: I didn't really think about those guys his first round picks,

920
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: but you write both of those guys, Davante Smith and

921
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: John Bucks seventy. Yeah, they were first round picks respectively,

922
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: and they both were under one hundred and seventy five pounds.

923
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: They were on the slender side of it and they

924
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: were able to get it done, and so I hadn't

925
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: really considered that, but that is that is good to

926
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: bring to the table because it's also one of the

927
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: things like with Josh Downs from North Carolina, like I

928
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: was reluctant to really give him a big grade because

929
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: he's smallish, and I just I just feel like, man,

930
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: he's so small, Like Kenny Kenny put up like what

931
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: kind of role can he play in those things? And

932
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: some of them, is man, really the system in what

933
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: you have? Because I would say this, there's not a

934
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase in this where we have the clear number one.

935
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: I feel like these guys are more pieces to the

936
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: puzzle that you're trying to fit together in your wide

937
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: receiver room. Like Okay, he goes here, we already have this.

938
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: We need we need to slot receiver, or we need

939
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: the vertical stretch guy, not the classic number one that

940
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: no matter what we had, this guy's the number one. Yeah,

941
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: that's that's that's what we're lacking. And so that's why

942
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: I feel like the conversation is more nuanced. It's more

943
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: what do we need, what do we have? How does

944
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: he fit as compared to as we're ranking him one, two, three, four,

945
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: and five. There's a lot different because there's not that

946
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: true Jamar Chase type. Yeah, no, I'm with you one

947
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: percent again. For the rest of this list, go to

948
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: NFL dot com. You can find Bucky's ten most polarizing

949
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: players in the upcoming drafts. That's a really interesting read.

950
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: Some interesting names on that list as well. All right,

951
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: let's get to our conversation. We had a few a

952
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: few days back with our buddy Jason Kelsey with the

953
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. Again, future Hall of Famer. He's got one

954
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: Super Bowl ring, was in the Super Bowl last year

955
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: playing against his brother. Pretty unique situation. Fascinating guy. Here's

956
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: our conversation with Jason Kelsey. All right, I'm I've got

957
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: to talk about team building here. Yeah, Jason, But when

958
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: we look at the way the league is right now,

959
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: maybe versus where you came into the league, has it

960
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: ever been more offensive firepower than we have right now? No,

961
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: And I mean the games set up for it, the

962
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: way the game's called. Um, you know, getting harder and

963
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: harder to play defense. As if it wasn't hard enough

964
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: to play defensive back. Um, it's getting harder and harder

965
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: every year. The pastor are the roughing the pastor calls

966
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: that are called now the past inference calls that evens

967
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: holding um and that play there's no cheat that. That's

968
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: just a nice quarterback's story. By the way, when that

969
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: got installed, like what you know, well, you know, we

970
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: we've been running quarterback sneaks since Carson was there for

971
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: some reason. I don't know why, who whose idea first

972
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: was to push, but um, yeah, we started doing it

973
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: and um, I mean just an insane surge off the ball. Um.

974
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: It reminds me of those old field goal blocks where

975
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: they used to get the two guys behind the two

976
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: guys on the guard, so that'd be like four pounds

977
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: and you got over a thousand pounds going through one

978
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: guy and they outlawed that. Um. But I think you

979
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: know it's the linebackers also push on the other side

980
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: of the ball, forcing the defense to have to defend.

981
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: That play opens up so many other things too. We

982
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: do these tosses around now or lane Johnson out in space,

983
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 1: and in order to stop really any quarterback sneak, whether

984
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: you're pushing or not, you're gonna have to be in

985
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: a gapped out defense. You're gonna have they have three

986
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: guys sometimes inside of the guards and to compromise that

987
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: much down inside those edges are pretty exposed. One of

988
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: the best I thought short yardage games last year for

989
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: some reason, I was watching the Browns versus Steelers and

990
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissette and the Browns did a phenomenal job of

991
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: running quarterback sneaks, sneaks, mixing in play actions, mixing in

992
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: like we call them roll pass, but they make it

993
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: with the back into the flat right now. And they

994
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: had a couple explosives down the field. And I think

995
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: when you do a quarterback sneak and you force them

996
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 1: to respect that, it opens up so much each other

997
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: things you can do, especially if you're in four down territory,

998
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 1: right third down to one, this is a great opportunity. Yeah,

999
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: let's let's take a shot here, because they're gonna know

1000
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: and expect that we're gonna be doing quarterbacks sneak. So um.

1001
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: It's something that I think is we're going to see

1002
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: more and more teams doing it. Obviously, since they didn't

1003
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: outlaw it, I think it's harder than people realize. You

1004
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: still have to set the point. I don't know if

1005
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: anybody's tried to There's a great phrase of Jeff's telling

1006
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: you is, I don't know how many of you have

1007
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: tried to push your car up a hill, right, but

1008
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: if you get up on the side of that and

1009
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: start trying to push that thing, it's going to be

1010
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 1: hard pushing it. If everybody gets behind it in unison

1011
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: pushing it in the right direction, it becomes a lot easier.

1012
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: You can have less guys pushing it in the right

1013
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: direction will be more powerful than more guys up on

1014
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: the side of that thing. So I think we'll see

1015
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: if other teams can replicate it with the same amount

1016
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: of success. Helps when your quarterback squads it's something one

1017
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: hundred pounds or whatever it is. But um, you know,

1018
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: I think you know Stout teaches it and we coach it.

1019
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: We don't just go out there and run it, which

1020
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: is the way it's always been. I mean, most teams

1021
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: you call quarterback sneak. You're just like, you know, a

1022
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: quarterback sneak. Yeah, there's a lot of nuance to it

1023
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: that Stout coaches. Throughout the week. I didn't get a

1024
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: quarterback sneak and a short yardage and I don't remember

1025
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: who we were playing, Buck, but I didn't get it.

1026
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: And the next next Tuesday, we had to do freaking

1027
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: quarterback sneaks for like a whole period. How about that?

1028
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: And I was like, this is ridiculous. I just made it,

1029
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: made one bad decision on what side I went to.

1030
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: I got to practice. It doesn't look like you guy,

1031
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: it really likes I know. I'm like, let's speed option.

1032
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks do not want to do this. You want to

1033
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: get into inut. But are you are you on board

1034
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: with what we're saying about offense defense? Like what's the point?

1035
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to say what's the point, but geez,

1036
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: I mean everything's playing it towards off I think when

1037
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: we talk about team building, uh, I think you can

1038
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: invest in two pass rushers and you have to be

1039
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: able to like make a determination, Hey, we're gonna keep

1040
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: the ball in front and I let it flower your

1041
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: head and hope that you can be great in the

1042
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: red zone. There's a way to play good defense. But

1043
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: it may not be shut them down defense. They kind

1044
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: of they kind of. When I look at the way

1045
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: Philly plays, it's kind of that, Hey, well Ben, but

1046
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 1: don't break keep it in front when we get into

1047
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: the red zone. The whole goal is just to make

1048
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: you kick a field goal to two. It's like a

1049
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: rena ball. Yeah, if we make you kick two field goals,

1050
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: we're going to keep scoring and eventually you canna get

1051
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: out of your normal sure. Yeah, yeah, I mean the

1052
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: offenses have become so high powered, especially when you get

1053
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: if your goals to win a Super Bowl. Yeah, at

1054
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: this point you have to have a good offense. Yeah,

1055
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: the days and well, unless I mean unless the Baltimore

1056
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: Ravens defense comes back, or you know, the Seattle Seahawks defense. Um,

1057
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's so hard. I mean San Francisco

1058
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: is the closest thing this past year. They were so dominant,

1059
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: but we saw when the quarterbacks got hurt, they had

1060
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: no offense. There's nothing they can do. And I think

1061
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really, really hard to build a team

1062
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: through defense and keep up with these high scoring offenses round,

1063
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: especially when you play a Super Bowl on an ice rink,

1064
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: by the way, Yet difficult, it does, especially makes a difference.

1065
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: I mean for me, I didn't slip pretty much at all. Yeah,

1066
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: why what was the offensive lineman? All your cleats are

1067
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: in the ground, right, you know, if I'm on my toes.

1068
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: I'm getting yelled at by just stelling. You know, you

1069
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: have to be in a more balanced position by nature,

1070
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: especially if you're passing the ball. And I think as

1071
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: a defensive lineman, man, you gotta explode. You got to

1072
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: work off the balls or your feet if you want

1073
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: to change, if you want to bend an edge, that's

1074
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: what you couldn't bend. He couldn't been and that's the

1075
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: strength of him. I mean, I don't both offensive lines

1076
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: benefited from the situation there, whether it's rain snow, if

1077
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: the surface isn't as able, is not as grabbable, or

1078
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: as you can't get as much traction. That's to the

1079
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: benefit of my opinion of the offensive line, because ultimately,

1080
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: in order to be explosive and truly powerful, you need

1081
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: to work in those extremes, right and for for an

1082
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: offensive line, you just get them right now. Have you

1083
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: ever have you ever been in a game where they

1084
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: manipulated the field? We will always go back to ye

1085
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: scouting days, grow to grass. They wouldn't cut the grass

1086
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: for like I wouldn't it wet it down a little bit? Yeah,

1087
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: it was. It was like that in college for us

1088
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: when we played Yukon. We played Yukon, we'd go up there,

1089
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: the grass would be this tall and all that good.

1090
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: All of the offensive line. We were three fifty plus

1091
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: and they're just running power football and we were this

1092
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: spread offense and we were so slow and we lost

1093
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: almost every time we played at Ukon because of that.

1094
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: I mean there were close games. And anytime they came

1095
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: to our field on turf, we'd run them out the

1096
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,479
Speaker 1: off the field. But up there it was tough sledding. Yeah.

1097
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: My favorite manipulation of the field that we're playing Detroit,

1098
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: Uh snowball. I remember that, Yeah, and it's you go

1099
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: out there for warm ups, there's not really any snow

1100
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: on the ground. Obviously, you come out there for the

1101
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: game and it is like, I'm not kidding, Detroit was

1102
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: running white. You couldn't see the safeties twenty yards beyond you.

1103
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: And we figured out, uh, we're going up to the

1104
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. You're shuffling the snow out just so

1105
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: you could get footing, and then you're initially instead of

1106
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: stepping and making contact, we figured out, a, let's just

1107
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: lune while we still have our cleats in the ground

1108
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: to get a hit. But um, Yeah, that was That

1109
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: was one of the most remarkable UH traction stories of

1110
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: all time. Seeing with Sean McCoy in the second half,

1111
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: I don't know how he's able to get footage. Yeah,

1112
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm believing. Great game. You know. You know I've always

1113
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: heard like a team takes on the personality of the coach, right, Yeah,

1114
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 1: And so I see Nick Sirianni doing is the head nod? Yeah? Yeah?

1115
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: Am I doing the head nds? What? What? What is that?

1116
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 1: Are y'all like that? Do y'all talk a lot of trash?

1117
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: Are y'all like a team that kind of talks? I

1118
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: know you do? Then underdog matter? Do y'all talk? Yeah?

1119
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean certain guys do. Um are you a talker?

1120
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: I talk when other guys are talking, for sure? UM?

1121
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: I talk. Uh. Sometimes Here's here's what I do. If

1122
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: I think the talking is gonna help, I talk. If

1123
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: I don't think the talking is gonna help, I don't talk.

1124
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: And a lot of times when I talk, it's because

1125
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get something going right, Like let's say

1126
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: we're struggling or or um, you know, we're stalling out.

1127
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I'm gonna start talking trash like,

1128
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm just gonna start yea yelling and

1129
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: oud and olleran see if we can't get some energy going.

1130
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: And I'm not like, uh, BG, my man, BG's talking

1131
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: all goal. And then that's where like I'm out there

1132
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: for the corn toss, Big Desher Lawrence is out there

1133
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: with me. He's like, we running right at you, big

1134
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: nine seven. We're coming right at you. You talked to

1135
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: the tackle, all right, let me handle this guy. I

1136
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: don't need to him up anymore than he's already going.

1137
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: So that is beautiful, BG man. That says something too,

1138
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: with the longevity that you guys have had there, you

1139
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: don't see it anymore with guys making this long of

1140
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: a run with one team. What are the benefit with that?

1141
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: When you know, you think about this young guys coming up,

1142
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: and we always would talk about it in Baltimore, like

1143
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: the Raven Way and the way we do things. Yeah,

1144
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: when you have guys that are so embedded in the

1145
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: in how you do things there, how much of a

1146
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: benefit is that. Well if when you look at the

1147
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: good organizations, and obviously you're gonna have that continuity when

1148
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: you had when you've had success, but you look at

1149
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 1: the great organizations. They've had that tension, whether it's in

1150
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: the coaching staff on the business side, like there's people

1151
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: that stay there and that remain in the culture remains there,

1152
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: right the Ravens Steelers, both of you guys did such

1153
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: a great job of that. And then in Philadelphia. You know,

1154
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: I've played over ten years with Lane Johnson, b G

1155
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: and Fletcher Cox now and we've had four different coaches

1156
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: in the NFL. That's rare to have that many different

1157
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: head coaches and have that amount of players there for

1158
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: that time. And I don't think that that is unconscious

1159
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: by Howe Roseman and the Eagles. I do think that

1160
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Lurry certainly values culture, any values camaraderie. I think

1161
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: Howry Roseman does as well. Throughout the changes, they've kept

1162
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: pieces back to kind of make sure that the good

1163
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: parts or the parts that they want to maintain are

1164
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: still there. Jeff Stoutlin, how many offensive line coaches are

1165
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: surviving three different head coaching hires, you know, And I

1166
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: mean Howry Roseman himself being there, from Andy Reid leaven

1167
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: to all the way Nick Sirianni here, and I think

1168
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: keeping bits and pieces and not just doing a completely

1169
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: overhaul of everything helps you retain some of that stuff.

1170
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: I really do. And you know, I'm a product of

1171
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: who I came into league with, right I'm Andy Reid,

1172
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: Brent Sellick, Jamal Jackson, who was the incumbent starter when

1173
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: I entered the league, you know, Todd Harriman's, all of

1174
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: these guys taught me what it's like to be a

1175
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: pro and taught me what it's like to prepare and

1176
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: and go out there and succeed on game day. And

1177
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: because we kind of always have at least some level

1178
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: of that in the Eagles building, I think we've been

1179
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: able to weather new coaches while still maintaining a tight

1180
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: knit group in the locker room. But great to catch

1181
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: up with Jason. Really, the whole broadcast boot camp was awesome.

1182
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: Getting a chance to visit with so many of those

1183
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: guys that came rolling through. Might get some more of

1184
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: those conversations on some pods up here in the future,

1185
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: maybe after the draft had Patrick Peterson was great and

1186
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: had some fun stuff with him, so maybe we'll drop

1187
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: that a little bit later. Now, it's really fun to

1188
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: see these guys, and I would say, from my advantage

1189
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: point as a former player, making the transition. I think

1190
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: it's great that the NFL does the broadcast book can

1191
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: because it gives you real experienced stuff that a lot

1192
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: of times you can't get, like you kind of get

1193
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: it trial trial and there you're just kind of doing it.

1194
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: But to not only bring these guys up, but to

1195
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: have these conversations where you can ask real conversations because

1196
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: we're in the podcast space, so we were able to

1197
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: kind of it wasn't like as restraint and so it

1198
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: was fun to have Kelsey talk. It was kind to

1199
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: have Mark Ingram discussed Mike Daniels like. Some of these

1200
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: conversations were really enlightening and fun, and they really gave

1201
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: they would give the listener an opportunity to give kind

1202
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: of like behind under the helmet, to kind of get it,

1203
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: really get a sense of what guys are like and

1204
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: what they've been through and some of the favorite stories

1205
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: on their favorite teams. Man, it was fun. Fun say,

1206
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: hope you guys enjoyed that one with Kelsey again, We'll

1207
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: give you some more of those guys. We'll give you

1208
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: some more of that content, probably after the draft. We

1209
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: got a lot on our on our plate here as

1210
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: we run up to the draft, plenty of the talk

1211
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: about over the next couple of weeks. We appreciate you

1212
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: guys hanging with us, though we'll see you next time.

1213
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: Right here on, move the sticks.