Speaker 1: Check it on Man No Down Man Thursday morning, October eight,
Speaker 1: being the Book podcast BEGA Pod Live from the day
Speaker 1: our home here in the early part of the football season.
Speaker 1: Hopefully there will be a football season once Circule opens.
Speaker 1: I think there will be. But uh, we'll see what
Speaker 1: kind of football season has covid reeks havoc in the
Speaker 1: NFL twenty three Tennessee Titans players in personnel positive. We'll
Speaker 1: see what happens with the Buffalo Tennessee game this weekend.
Speaker 1: Um and uh and if they do something with that
Speaker 1: forfeit cancelation post poeman, if they postpone it, they'll have
Speaker 1: to postpone the Buffalo Thursday night game next week against Casey.
Speaker 1: All kinds of ramifications as always on the show. Here
Speaker 1: with me the vice president of operations at Circus Sports, Mikey,
Speaker 1: Mike Palm, how you doing. Welcome. It's honor, uh to
Speaker 1: be back with you and Todd and today's esteem guests.
Speaker 1: Very exciting. Thank you. Todd wishnev up on the board
Speaker 1: from Pittsburgh, p A in his mother's attic. What is that?
Speaker 1: What is that place? How would you call that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it's the third floor. It's it's a beautiful man, Cave.
Speaker 1: I got the everything set up over here, baby. All right,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm glad to have you, Toddy, thank you
Speaker 1: you were coming back here? Are you kind of stuck
Speaker 1: up there? I would I would love to come back,
Speaker 1: but you know, due to the fact that my finance
Speaker 1: job got killed by COVID, I need to get a
Speaker 1: job in Las Vegas in order to come back to
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. So any of those listeners out there want
Speaker 1: to hire somebody with financial background, Uh, I'd be happy
Speaker 1: to listen, but I don't want to work too hard.
Speaker 1: Maybe four hours a day. I gotta get my tennis
Speaker 1: in with Gilly Ice. Well, who could resist that pitch? Uh?
Speaker 1: The esteem guest that Mike Palm was talking about UH
Speaker 1: is with me each and every Thursday morning, and I
Speaker 1: am privileged to have him and honored to have him
Speaker 1: every Thursday morning on a numbers game at Visa and
Speaker 1: the sports betting network Serious x M two oh four,
Speaker 1: and he is on the podcast. I want to say, Bill,
Speaker 1: for the first time, since you're quite legendary appearance the
Speaker 1: first time where you did the whole funnel thing in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, the trash ones. It's Bill Crackenburger. Everybody. Wow,
Speaker 1: thanks you That was that was That was a great show.
Speaker 1: We did that, and that's probably a decade ago. Close,
Speaker 1: I'd say, like seven eight years years. Yeah, Bill, Bill
Speaker 1: crack We're happy to be on. Thanks guys at Bill
Speaker 1: crackbad with the came. What's the app? Uh crack wins app?
Speaker 1: Crack wins app. Thanks for being here. Man. Thanks. You
Speaker 1: just made a rather large wager at the at the window. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but six or six hundred on something. I can't really
Speaker 1: talk about it yet, Okay, I won't pry. No, it's um.
Speaker 1: There was a just a good opportunity. I've seen they
Speaker 1: had a six here on a game. I usually don't
Speaker 1: ever middle or scalp games. But unbelievably, as I'm sitting here,
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, it's lucky. I had that
Speaker 1: money in my pocket. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: please have like seven grand I went my pocket to
Speaker 1: squeeze out I had like and it was a perfect
Speaker 1: because I'm just sitting here with you guys, and and
Speaker 1: right in front of me I see a a minus
Speaker 1: seven minus a dollar eleven. So I on the other side,
Speaker 1: I laid a dollar nine and and and laid a
Speaker 1: six here for a good opportunity. I just just bet
Speaker 1: a little middle for myself there, which I never normally do.
Speaker 1: An opportunity At Circus Sports, you have plenty of plenty
Speaker 1: And I didn't even question it when I went up there,
Speaker 1: I was like thinking how much I can bet? And
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I know they're gonna take
Speaker 1: sixty six on around the game. And it went right
Speaker 1: went right through circ They will good questions. Was it
Speaker 1: a pro game? It was. It was a pro game.
Speaker 1: And as long as you have game, they used to
Speaker 1: work with it. I mean they should take you know,
Speaker 1: was it total or aside? Beside? Does the team name
Speaker 1: where I'm with Barrizona? Um, this is how much? This
Speaker 1: is how much? I don't know. No, seriously, I touched
Speaker 1: a bottle. I'm gonna tell you what it is because
Speaker 1: it's all a numbers game to me. I see what
Speaker 1: you did. I wasn't really trying to do that, but
Speaker 1: it just is. Yeah, it's game four sixty Texans minus six.
Speaker 1: I bet here at circle, which they moved to six
Speaker 1: and a half, which they really shouldn't have. No, but
Speaker 1: I mean I got to have to uh and and
Speaker 1: the other side. I I took a I actually took
Speaker 1: a plus seven reduced juice, and uh, it just looks
Speaker 1: good for both places too. You've given some action, you're
Speaker 1: moving something money around and hopefully, uh maybe catch a
Speaker 1: six or seven on on a game. You know that
Speaker 1: could happen. First time I ever hung out with Bill,
Speaker 1: he had about seventy five bets on a Monday Nay
Speaker 1: football game. Had no idea what he was betting. He's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm rooting for. Oh, I can't watch.
Speaker 1: I bet so many props. I bet so many props.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to say that. Uh Circus sports Now, I
Speaker 1: text met Matt Metcalf they were taking a thousand bucks
Speaker 1: on the props from me, and uh it takes some
Speaker 1: big risks too, to be honest with you. I mean,
Speaker 1: I bet something today a thousand to win thirty thousand
Speaker 1: on something. So there they're these sports books here. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm very happy if I have a couple of sports
Speaker 1: books in town that are taking some props and I
Speaker 1: don't know what the root for during the games, No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean I have so many. I'll have
Speaker 1: like thirty forty bets, I won't even know. In all seriousness, though, Mike,
Speaker 1: what Bill is talking about is by design. You guys
Speaker 1: set out to this was your business model, and you're
Speaker 1: playing it through. Your margins are gonna be thinner than
Speaker 1: other books that don't play it this way, but that's
Speaker 1: something that you feel is sustainable, and hopefully we'll be
Speaker 1: state by state. Well, it's a long play, Gill, you know,
Speaker 1: and so the if you I don't even think you
Speaker 1: can judge it on the first five years results. I
Speaker 1: think you've got to look at this as an eight
Speaker 1: to ten year plan with Matt's doing. And there's there's
Speaker 1: two sides to one. We just have to be recognized.
Speaker 1: The people know the name. I mean, we're still the
Speaker 1: new kids on the block. We're you know, we're just
Speaker 1: what started in June of last year. I mean we're
Speaker 1: we're we're babies here. So that's one. And then too,
Speaker 1: can we deliver what we promise through fair odds, through
Speaker 1: reasonable limits, and through just tremendous guest service, which Jeff Benson,
Speaker 1: I mean, I never met someone that is this good,
Speaker 1: who calls everybody back, speaks to every customer, anybody has
Speaker 1: a question, He's on Twitter all answering, it's really I
Speaker 1: don't I have not heard one negative thing. I have
Speaker 1: to tell this story. We had the first week a survivor,
Speaker 1: seventeen people, Seventeen entries didn't submit a pick, seventeen thousand
Speaker 1: dollars down the Drake Nut's multiple. Not just seventeen people,
Speaker 1: there was several that had multiple entries that didn't submit
Speaker 1: the first week. You don't know what happened to them
Speaker 1: in the summer, you don't know. But that Monday morning,
Speaker 1: a gentleman came in and he was very upset. Um
Speaker 1: I didn't know the time cut off, tried to put
Speaker 1: it in, it was too late, it's an hour earlier,
Speaker 1: and this and that. So, I mean, he really just
Speaker 1: blasted Phil, who was the supervisor here. And then Jeff
Speaker 1: came out and later Monday afternoon wrote a letter to
Speaker 1: Derek and I talking about what an asshole he was
Speaker 1: to these two guys and how they just sat there
Speaker 1: and patiently listened to him, and how much he respected that.
Speaker 1: He wanted he wanted to apologize to everyone and say
Speaker 1: what for a great job they did. Just a great
Speaker 1: guy who I've known him for years and he's great
Speaker 1: with me. I mean, I love relationship I have and
Speaker 1: I could just text him for things. And and by
Speaker 1: the way, on Twitter he answers everything everything he is.
Speaker 1: He is great. Matt Matt caref were hired to me,
Speaker 1: said I want to bring in this kid from Palace Station.
Speaker 1: He said he's the best sports book writer when he
Speaker 1: was a writer, and he's the best line supervisor in town.
Speaker 1: And I want him to run my front of house operations.
Speaker 1: And boy was he right. If I'm not mistaken, I
Speaker 1: went to less man standing at Palacetation some years ago,
Speaker 1: or maybe it was the Mayweather maybe it was the
Speaker 1: Mayweather fight against Connor McGregor whatever I was. I was
Speaker 1: at palaestation, which is random, and I think it was
Speaker 1: Jeff Benson who was there at the time, and from
Speaker 1: across the room, he's like, go, I'm like, oh, Jeff Benson,
Speaker 1: he does he Uh, he's friendly even uh from from
Speaker 1: the time. I remember, Uh, you said seventeen people didn't
Speaker 1: put in for Survivor before week one? Is it true
Speaker 1: that someone didn't do it before week four? Also seventeen
Speaker 1: in week one, every entry was submitted in week two.
Speaker 1: I believe five weren't submitted in week three, and then
Speaker 1: another one last week, so we had six seventy five.
Speaker 1: Thirty four were eliminated through their picks. Most of them
Speaker 1: had San Francisco on Sunday night. That was the great
Speaker 1: bulk of it. And then another person didn't, so we're
Speaker 1: thirty five. So we're down to six forty now as
Speaker 1: we had into week five. We ask you this after
Speaker 1: four weeks, and we'll get to the picks here momentarily.
Speaker 1: But this is the last question. Sixty is a lot
Speaker 1: of people still and I know after the first week
Speaker 1: we had forty two percent of the entries went by
Speaker 1: the wayside total on the on the colts, but percent
Speaker 1: of all the survivor entries lost in week one. Since then, um,
Speaker 1: people are pretty people pretty been pretty good, or at
Speaker 1: least it's worked out for everybody. Is there a because
Speaker 1: if someone goes eighteen weeks and get a million dollars, right,
Speaker 1: that's correct? Okay, what happens if there's like ten people
Speaker 1: who go eighteen weeks, a million gets added, so the
Speaker 1: total pool becomes to two point three millions. Since we
Speaker 1: had nineties so it would be two point three nine million.
Speaker 1: And then, however, many people win eighteen and over put
Speaker 1: that correct. Want of clear find that alright? Best bets?
Speaker 1: Oh no, let's do Thursday night football first. I forgot
Speaker 1: how this works. O god sakes, still with us? I
Speaker 1: mean I never heard him go that long without talking.
Speaker 1: You know, last week I didn't interrupt at all, didn't
Speaker 1: get any credit for it. I'm trying again not to interrupt.
Speaker 1: But all I do is take heat from you know,
Speaker 1: big portly guys from eyewall. What can I do any
Speaker 1: thoughts on Thursday night football tonight? The Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Speaker 1: are a mass unit. Uh, We're not gonna here. Here's
Speaker 1: who's out. O. J Howard Achilles out, Uh, Shady McCoy out, Uh,
Speaker 1: Godwin stand out wide receiver out, questionable and game time
Speaker 1: decisions I believe are Mike Evans. It was the other
Speaker 1: why that we were talking about who Brady loved last week,
Speaker 1: Scott Scott Yeah, let me okay. There's other players though,
Speaker 1: they're all questionable, the whole bunch of Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 1: This line just got hit here recently too, in the
Speaker 1: last two hours. Again. It's now three flat at a
Speaker 1: couple of places here in Vegas. Three flat, largely because
Speaker 1: of all those injuries. We don't know who's playing with Tom,
Speaker 1: I'm using this game as one of my best. Oh
Speaker 1: there it is Todd Wish that what do you gotta say?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? First of all, I have a question.
Speaker 1: Are we allowed to use team totals in our picks? No? No,
Speaker 1: you're not. You're not, so then I am just going
Speaker 1: to use the Tampa Bay Buccaneers minus the three as
Speaker 1: my one of my picks. Um. The reason is the
Speaker 1: Bears just cannot move the football. I don't believe I
Speaker 1: watched the entire game last week got screwed on an
Speaker 1: in game bet with Bears plus seven and a half.
Speaker 1: Of course they have to get the back door touched
Speaker 1: down to lose by eight, and uh, I don't see
Speaker 1: them moving the football even with with Mr Nick Foles
Speaker 1: that you know, you have to totally discount the three
Speaker 1: touchdowns at the end of the Atlanta Falcons game because
Speaker 1: it's the Atlanta Falcons. Gil Me, you, Mike and Bill
Speaker 1: could be the front four for the Atlanta Falcons and
Speaker 1: be big. We'd be better than the Atlanta Falcons defense.
Speaker 1: They are just horrendous. So the fact that Dick Foles
Speaker 1: came back and got those three touchdowns at the end
Speaker 1: of the Falcons game means nothing to me. They went
Speaker 1: up against a legitimate defensive team in Indianapolis, could not
Speaker 1: move the ball at all. It was unbelievable. Anybody who
Speaker 1: watched that game. It was literally like pulling teeth at
Speaker 1: that football game. So I don't think that the Bears
Speaker 1: can score enough to stay within three of Tampa. Tampa
Speaker 1: has got a new added professionalism now that we've got
Speaker 1: Tommy Terrific on the club. Bruce Arians and Tommy Terrific
Speaker 1: professionalism can get you a win by more than three
Speaker 1: against a team with absolutely zero offensive firepower. Tampap A
Speaker 1: miners three. Please is that number one for you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go number one with that number one on
Speaker 1: a Thursday night from Toddy And I don't care that
Speaker 1: everybody's injured. Everybody was injured last week, and they just
Speaker 1: moved up and down the field to win the football
Speaker 1: game after Anthony Lynn gave them the game at that
Speaker 1: By the way, I haven't been on a numbers game
Speaker 1: to talk about these incredible grievances. But how in the
Speaker 1: world do you hand the ball off with less than
Speaker 1: thirty seconds left in the first half inside your own fifteen.
Speaker 1: Just take a knee. I always say, why are you
Speaker 1: even running the ball? So they fumble the football, given
Speaker 1: the touchdown, and now they're back in the game. Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay wins the games. Just to be accurate, forty seven
Speaker 1: seconds left in the first half, Tampa Bay has one
Speaker 1: time out, so yes, the Chargers can run it out
Speaker 1: up to seven. I have timp I have Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: as a survivor. Pick. I am dead in the water
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking myself, this is over. Why I gave
Speaker 1: it a good run for three entire weeks and Anthony
Speaker 1: Lynn came to the rescue. Anthony Lynn who runs a
Speaker 1: run option and on the five yard line with forty
Speaker 1: seven seconds left, justin Herman tries to hand it off
Speaker 1: to Joshua Kelly but hits him in the chest. Loose ball,
Speaker 1: bucks ball. Three plays later, touchdown into the break, and
Speaker 1: we know what happens. All of a sudden, I heard
Speaker 1: the Rocky music for my for my survivor. Pick Todd's right,
Speaker 1: dumbast player of the week, you do it. It's not
Speaker 1: just him. You watch all these coaches running the ball
Speaker 1: with like no type. They're not they know they're not
Speaker 1: going to get a field goal. They they're just running
Speaker 1: the ball because oh, we'll just run the ball. See
Speaker 1: what happens. It's nothing good can happen. Just take an
Speaker 1: effing knee and go to the locker room. How hard
Speaker 1: is that? As our buddy, he says, Uh, why is
Speaker 1: it that Anthony Lynn is never mentioned alongside Bill O'Brien
Speaker 1: who got fired as the coach and gym of the Texans,
Speaker 1: alongside Adam Gaze, alongside Matt Patricia. Why is Anthony Lynn
Speaker 1: not in that group? Haven't we seen enough sort of
Speaker 1: rhetorical but I think everybody thinks we have, right, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: we've seen us. We've seen What about all the Philip
Speaker 1: Rivers games inside the ten yard line endless football games?
Speaker 1: That was also Philip Rivers too, right? How about the
Speaker 1: end of the Broncos game where all you have to
Speaker 1: do is fall on the guy? But you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, they let nine seconds left last year and
Speaker 1: let him go. I mean, this is week after week
Speaker 1: that Broncos, the Broncos Chargers en when it was third
Speaker 1: down in plus territory and Rivers just threw it into
Speaker 1: the dirt. Cost me a zillion dollars to off all
Speaker 1: that game last year. The thing is, look, I mean,
Speaker 1: Anthony Lynn is really bad. I mean we counted how
Speaker 1: many ways did he lose the game against Kansas City
Speaker 1: in Week two? All those people survived, surve we would
Speaker 1: have knocked out another half of the field with the
Speaker 1: Chiefs that week. Anthony Lynn cannot run a read option
Speaker 1: when he can take it, not like he ran a
Speaker 1: lead or an off tackle plate. No, a read option
Speaker 1: where you have to stick it in the chest. Do
Speaker 1: you leave it there? Do you pull it out? With
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback handing the ball well to knee, all
Speaker 1: you need to do is take a knee. Even if
Speaker 1: they had two time outs, you could have killed enough
Speaker 1: time eleven seconds and three plays to punt to two
Speaker 1: d and a a half. Here's the thing, Dean Spano should
Speaker 1: have been waiting for him at the tunnel, not in
Speaker 1: the locker room. He should have been waiting for him
Speaker 1: at the tunnel to dismiss him. But it's not going
Speaker 1: to happen. And Gil, you asked the question, and the
Speaker 1: reason is it's because Anthony Lynn is a great man.
Speaker 1: Anthony Lynne does all this charitable work. He's good for
Speaker 1: the community, and I think that buys him a lot
Speaker 1: of leeway. But he's invite him to Thanksgiving, Mike, I'll
Speaker 1: invite him to Thanksgiving and I'll give him the seat
Speaker 1: of honor. I'll give him this number one seat. But
Speaker 1: I don't want him calling plays inside the one minute left.
Speaker 1: He's been really really bad at managing games, really really bad.
Speaker 1: Horrible Bill. What's your number one best bet? Wow? This is.
Speaker 1: You know, it's really tough for me to give out
Speaker 1: number ones in the NFL, but I am going to
Speaker 1: do it here. I think, by the way, and this
Speaker 1: from a guy who's been getting one and two is
Speaker 1: in the Megapod. I was three and two in the continents,
Speaker 1: but I can't get it done in the megapod. I
Speaker 1: hate this week of spreads eight. You know what, You're right.
Speaker 1: I had much more confidence last week when I was
Speaker 1: betting overs on Monday mornings and they were I was
Speaker 1: getting two and three point movements. Um. I actually um
Speaker 1: talked about this this morning, and this game is still
Speaker 1: obtainable at this line. The that's Arizona under forty seven.
Speaker 1: It's still there. So I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: my money up there and they they they moved at
Speaker 1: the beginning and a little bit, but now it came
Speaker 1: back a little bit. So it's hanging around forty seven
Speaker 1: here and even here at circle forty seven all over town.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I like the under in the in the
Speaker 1: Jets Arizona game. Um, you know, it's funny. But since
Speaker 1: we came on air, there was a little bit of
Speaker 1: action here on Arizona. It's now minus seven and a
Speaker 1: half and a couple of spots minus eight at one spot,
Speaker 1: minus seven, minus fifty minus seven, minus twenty minus seven
Speaker 1: minus twenty right here at circle. So we'll see what's happened.
Speaker 1: I'm looking looking for a game maybe like uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, the Jets actually got the Jets
Speaker 1: actually got a little bit. It took a little bit
Speaker 1: of mo I'm sorry, Arizona took a little bit of
Speaker 1: money here. On the favorite to sorts, it's very tough
Speaker 1: for me to give out a favorite and under. It's
Speaker 1: like a you know, a non correlated parlor. I'm more like,
Speaker 1: I like doing favorite over or dog and under. But
Speaker 1: let's just stick with the under here under forty seven
Speaker 1: on the Jets game and under forty seven just repeat
Speaker 1: what we said on a numbers game this morning on Visa.
Speaker 1: Not because of the quarterback change with the Jets from
Speaker 1: Darnald to Flacco. No, did not know that that. I
Speaker 1: think that was announcement yesterday yesterday pretty much. You know
Speaker 1: this was this was bet on Monday. So yeah, by
Speaker 1: the way, we gave Todd a three on Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: Are you see consensus three across the board? Um Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay now went to minus three, minus twenty almost everywhere,
Speaker 1: minus three flat at south Point, Westgate, minus Dreams, Circus,
Speaker 1: minus Drew, minus twenty. So uh yeah, we'll give him
Speaker 1: the three we had three. Mikey, Well, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: back to fading the team I faded last week. I
Speaker 1: still don't think that the public ah can can change
Speaker 1: their mindset on this team because they're such a public team.
Speaker 1: But the Dallas Cowboys are just got awful and they
Speaker 1: really shouldn't be laying points too many teams at all
Speaker 1: in this They let alone nine and a half points
Speaker 1: to to a division rival in the late game on Sunday. Look,
Speaker 1: the Giants were competitive against the Rams, and we're still
Speaker 1: in that game with a chance to really force overtime. Late,
Speaker 1: and the Giants defense did a decent job going into
Speaker 1: Sofi and slowing down that Rams attack, which Buffalo couldn't
Speaker 1: stop at all in the second half a week before. Now,
Speaker 1: no one would argue the Giants have a good defense,
Speaker 1: as the Buffalo Bills do, but they're respectable enough to
Speaker 1: slow teams down and kick enough field goals and get
Speaker 1: enough punts. This Dallas defense is going to give up
Speaker 1: thirty five points every game, and you can run on them,
Speaker 1: all right, you can run on them, which will give
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones more time to throw the ball off of
Speaker 1: play action. I just think nine and a half is
Speaker 1: way too much here. I think this is a one
Speaker 1: score game, and it wouldn't shock me if the Giants
Speaker 1: went into Dallas and beat them. So the New York
Speaker 1: Giants are my best bet, is my That is my
Speaker 1: number two. I like the same reason. My Dallas cowboy
Speaker 1: fan friend, uh, who I've known since childhood, says to
Speaker 1: me because I had said, I said, listen, dude, you're
Speaker 1: gonna win the division and Dallas and Washington half game
Speaker 1: behind one, two and one Eagles, and he says, he goes, listen,
Speaker 1: don't don't say that to me. Anymore. They're the worst
Speaker 1: defense in the NFL in the last ten years, and
Speaker 1: a lot of it is because of injuries. But the
Speaker 1: injuries are there, and he says it is they are
Speaker 1: a sieve, a complete sief. So he'd be he'd agree
Speaker 1: with your pick right there. It's number two for me,
Speaker 1: number one for me, and I'm taking the Cincinnati Bengals
Speaker 1: getting all those point against the Baltimore Ravens uh and
Speaker 1: it and it's it's nothing else other than for me,
Speaker 1: the fact that Joe Burrow has just impressed me tremendously.
Speaker 1: He seems to have a thing going with Tee Higgins. Uh.
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon, who didn't look like he was going to
Speaker 1: play at all last week, ends up playing in Cincinnati's
Speaker 1: win against Jacksonville, absolutely filled up the box score. And
Speaker 1: I think Baltimore that after that Kansas City game, I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of trouble with that offense, and
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is now publicly talking about how he's frustrated
Speaker 1: with the offense. Baltimore in past years would take a
Speaker 1: game like this and it would be a runout. They
Speaker 1: would be front runners, They run up the score and
Speaker 1: it would be a huge blowout. But I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think Joe Burrow is going to be a backdoor
Speaker 1: covering machine this year. And I'm getting twelve and a
Speaker 1: half or thirteen. That's why it's it's actually my number two.
Speaker 1: I had it. Give me thirteen on if they're getting
Speaker 1: they're getting fourteen against your your Redskins last week, that
Speaker 1: they're only getting thirteen against cincinnais Cincinnai is more than
Speaker 1: one point better than Washington's right, that's absolutely right. Only
Speaker 1: getting thirteen at home, by the way, not that that
Speaker 1: is the same thing that it was in past years.
Speaker 1: But thirteen give me the Bungles as my number. They
Speaker 1: have fans there or no, I don't. In Baltimore, I've
Speaker 1: lost track. I've lost track. Who's empty? Yeah, like ten
Speaker 1: thousand fans or whatever it may be. Miami just got
Speaker 1: cleared to have full capacity, full capacity, but instead they're
Speaker 1: saying we're just gonna put thirty We're just gonna put
Speaker 1: a fraction of it. Still, but if they wanted to,
Speaker 1: they could fillip Stadium. Now, interesting, Dallas has had the
Speaker 1: most in terms of percentage. Dallas had twenty six thousand
Speaker 1: people nose capacity. What about so is Las Vegas for
Speaker 1: the year of the Raiders done for the year with fans, Yes,
Speaker 1: that that is the whole fans, So it can't change
Speaker 1: like the Miami game. That like Miami change, that can't change. Okay,
Speaker 1: kind of unfair. Mark Davis said that though he said,
Speaker 1: no fans, but you can pay five hundred dollars to
Speaker 1: tailgate in the in the parking lot at the Las
Speaker 1: Vegas game. They're charging they were selling tickets for something
Speaker 1: some ungodly amount of money, like four or five hundred
Speaker 1: dollars to be in the parking lot at the Allegiance
Speaker 1: State And you can't move. You can't move outside the
Speaker 1: the space of your car, right outside the width of
Speaker 1: your car. You can't. Well, there's all these rules for
Speaker 1: social distancing, and like Todd said, it's some god, it's
Speaker 1: like four and it does not include lap dances zero
Speaker 1: lap without including Billy. What's your number? Two? That was it?
Speaker 1: It was the Bengals. Alright, we're gonna be on the
Speaker 1: same thing there. I usually don't go with NFL sides here.
Speaker 1: It's a very rare thing I ever talked about. Any
Speaker 1: given Sunday, anything can happen. But I think, uh, I
Speaker 1: like that borrow confidence. And and also after what I've
Speaker 1: seen last week, I've seen no. I think Washington came
Speaker 1: back last last couple of minutes and to get the
Speaker 1: get back to our cover there, right, I think Uh
Speaker 1: And like like you said, um, there could be a
Speaker 1: little bit of talk going on there with the Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm on don Best here and and
Speaker 1: none of the sports books have this game up except
Speaker 1: for uh Will Hill, South Point stations. So and I
Speaker 1: believe even here I looked on this. You know, if
Speaker 1: I click on the Urgent, which is the urgent information,
Speaker 1: it's still telling me Lamar Jackson's questionable because of his knee.
Speaker 1: Well so, all right, by the way, Washington for those
Speaker 1: who got a bad number on Baltimore, Washington ends up
Speaker 1: pushing last week Baltimore and John Harbaugh decided, you know what,
Speaker 1: just as a tribute to r G three UH and
Speaker 1: his famous Rookie of the Year year back in twelve,
Speaker 1: we're gonna put him in this game at FedEx Field.
Speaker 1: He comes in and promptly throws a deep pick which
Speaker 1: the Redskins then matriculated the ball down the field and
Speaker 1: I got it to fourteen. Last week. You got to
Speaker 1: get the good number. You gotta get the good number.
Speaker 1: By the way, the reason I went three and two
Speaker 1: in the contest, let's be honest, because they had you
Speaker 1: guys had Baltimore minus twelve and a half. And then
Speaker 1: there was the other one that I had that was
Speaker 1: also the favorable. We had some interesting contest numbers. Did
Speaker 1: the lines didn't break the way that I think they anticipated,
Speaker 1: and we were off from from the actual game lines
Speaker 1: by one and a half two points. Tampa Bay was
Speaker 1: the other one. You had six and a half, yes,
Speaker 1: and it went the other way. It went over seven
Speaker 1: in all the spots. What's the number of points you're
Speaker 1: getting with the Bengals. Oh wow, that's terrific. You know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take an over here. What do we get
Speaker 1: for Dallas? I said nine and a half. But what
Speaker 1: do you have bill on the total on the Colts
Speaker 1: Browns game? Forty six solid. I'm gonna go over. That's
Speaker 1: my second best bet here. I think that. And one
Speaker 1: of the things about Dallas, you know this kid eber Floss,
Speaker 1: that's the defensive coordinator for the He was on that
Speaker 1: Dallas staff for a long time as a defensive coach,
Speaker 1: but they never would promote him. The coordinator McCarthy comes in,
Speaker 1: he goes and goes old school with Nolan. I mean,
Speaker 1: they have nobody but themselves to blame why their defense
Speaker 1: is so bad? What a retread Nolan is? Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. No offense of the family. No, but
Speaker 1: it's stop it. We can invite him for Thanksgiving to
Speaker 1: put him right next to Anthony. So so I just think, uh,
Speaker 1: they've done a good job in the last few weeks,
Speaker 1: the Colts. They've shut down the Vikings, they shut down
Speaker 1: the Bears. I think this Cleveland team is too talented,
Speaker 1: all right. I think that's you saw Cleveland Dallas go
Speaker 1: over eight point this last week. They're very versatile team.
Speaker 1: They can run the football, which makes Baker may feel
Speaker 1: a much better quarterback. And I don't think they're you know,
Speaker 1: I think their defense has talent. But I still think
Speaker 1: the Colts are gonna be able. To let's face, at
Speaker 1: forty six now is a low total in the NFL.
Speaker 1: If you're not, if you're not at fifty or fifty one,
Speaker 1: that looks like that. Forty six is the old? Is
Speaker 1: the old? Like thirty nine right now? I mean, that's
Speaker 1: how much these totals have gone. The average this week
Speaker 1: is north. I mean, it's incredible. You know, the only
Speaker 1: team that's gone on every under every week. And and
Speaker 1: you could have argued the other way because the number
Speaker 1: came down last week, that fifty one and a half.
Speaker 1: But the Cardinals to your play to the under with
Speaker 1: the gent they're the only team that have gone under
Speaker 1: every week so far. I think this game has a
Speaker 1: lot of points in it. I think Phil Philip Rivers
Speaker 1: will throw touchdowns and interceptions, and so will Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: And I just thought forty six came back off. Although
Speaker 1: so my second best bet is Colts Browns over looking
Speaker 1: on the at the status of check the stat Colts
Speaker 1: linebacker Darius Leonard to see where his status is right
Speaker 1: now because he was questionable headed out of last week.
Speaker 1: And there goes the internet. Let's see here where we
Speaker 1: got on Darius Leonard. Um. All right, while we're doing that, Todd,
Speaker 1: what's your number two pick? Okay, I just want to
Speaker 1: preface my other call, if you guys can I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna in for the for the for our purposes,
Speaker 1: I have Tampa Bay minus through. But I really would
Speaker 1: love to bet the Bears team total under rather than
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, just so you know that that's what I
Speaker 1: would bet if I, you know, if I was really
Speaker 1: betting this for real. And what's that? What's that number,
Speaker 1: todd just for the record, for posterity. What what is
Speaker 1: the Bears team total? I think it's around twenty and
Speaker 1: a half? Okay, thank you. Darius Letter. By the way,
Speaker 1: did not practice yesterday, could still miss the game. Uh.
Speaker 1: My second pick is going to be the uh Jags
Speaker 1: Texans under. Now. I know that this is an over league,
Speaker 1: and I got burned saying what I what I said
Speaker 1: last week that this overs cannot continue forever. And I
Speaker 1: guarantee you there's going to be a shift and we're
Speaker 1: gonna start seeing unders. In fact, late in last week's action,
Speaker 1: we started seeing a ton of unders in the four
Speaker 1: o'clock games and then the Sunday night Monday night games. Um,
Speaker 1: I think the numbers are gonna get over inflated to
Speaker 1: you know, to the upside. Now, obviously the averages are
Speaker 1: gonna be higher because there are so many more points
Speaker 1: being scored. But I mean the Jacksonville Jaguars against Houston
Speaker 1: fifty four that's just a lot of points. I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand when you're gonna put up these teams like
Speaker 1: the Falcons, you know, a crazy numbers Seattle, all a
Speaker 1: crazy numbers. But fifty four for the Jaguars in Houston,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That just sounds too high to me. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go under in Jacksonville, Houston. Both of these
Speaker 1: teams offenses have not, you know, been absolute world beaters,
Speaker 1: and fifty four is just I mean, I know fifty
Speaker 1: four is the old forty eight, but still it's just
Speaker 1: really high. So I'm gonna go with under in uh,
Speaker 1: fifty four in Jacksonville, Houston. And I think there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a shift back the other way. I think we've
Speaker 1: seen all these overs and it's gonna get over inflated
Speaker 1: to one side and then you're gonna see tons of
Speaker 1: unders later in the season Bill number three, And uh,
Speaker 1: I agree with Todd on that though. We talked about
Speaker 1: that this morning on on your show. Um, every total
Speaker 1: this week, you know, we were betting me and a
Speaker 1: couple other guys were betting overs on on Monday morning,
Speaker 1: early Monday mornings, and that didn't happen this week, and
Speaker 1: every total, uh, we had that was over inflated two
Speaker 1: to three points. We actually said that the one game
Speaker 1: was overinflated about four points was the Seattle Games. So,
Speaker 1: which by the way, now is fifty seven fifty six
Speaker 1: and a half here at circle. It was fifty eight
Speaker 1: on opener. So I agree, I think there's a return
Speaker 1: to the meeting here. I think they think that will happen.
Speaker 1: And what we also talked about was there's a direct correlation. Right.
Speaker 1: This is an edict from above the NFL's officials. The
Speaker 1: NFL telling officials do not call holding penalties unless it's obvious,
Speaker 1: unless it has a direct impact on plays. So you
Speaker 1: are not getting any of the oh, I think that's
Speaker 1: a hold. You know, I could call this every play
Speaker 1: if I wanted to. I feel like throwing a flag
Speaker 1: holding calls, and so with holding way down the first
Speaker 1: four weeks of the season, we're seeing the offense. And
Speaker 1: so that's why drink the drive. You can't kill the
Speaker 1: drive with a holding pen Let's go on to play
Speaker 1: number three, game four seventy seven, which is the Monday
Speaker 1: night game. Uh, there there's still fifty ones who're a
Speaker 1: group hit under fifty two fifty one being the more
Speaker 1: key number. A lot of different numbers, a lot of
Speaker 1: different numbers can play out to this number. Uh, fifty one,
Speaker 1: and it's fifty one here at Circle. I am going
Speaker 1: to go with the under there on that Monday night
Speaker 1: game under Chargers and New Orleans. All right, Mike number three,
Speaker 1: same game, same game. What do you have as the
Speaker 1: point spread? Uh? Here here is seven and a half. However,
Speaker 1: there's other places out of eight, what's the consensus? Consensus
Speaker 1: is seven and a half. I'm taking the points on
Speaker 1: Monday night. Despite Anthony lynn Um, I'm still very impressed
Speaker 1: with this Charger's team. And I think this team is
Speaker 1: a playoff team. I really, I really do. I think
Speaker 1: they're that good. I think they Listen, they've had the
Speaker 1: deepest roster in football for years now. Okay, they just
Speaker 1: they've underachieved. But I'm very impressed with Justin Herbert and
Speaker 1: look at they have talent. And the bottom line here
Speaker 1: is Breeze cannot throw the ball outside the numbers, and
Speaker 1: he can't throw the ball twenty yards down there. His
Speaker 1: accuracy is gone there, his accuracy is really gone. Now.
Speaker 1: He benefited from playing alliance team that can only play
Speaker 1: the first ten minutes of every game, and then they
Speaker 1: absolutely stop uh and and and so throughout the last
Speaker 1: three quarters that game, he was able to move the
Speaker 1: ball pretty well. I I agree with with Bill. I
Speaker 1: think this is a lower scoring and a tighter game.
Speaker 1: And I'll take over a touchdown if I can get it.
Speaker 1: So plus seven and half on the Chargers Monday Night
Speaker 1: charges plus seven half. I see as many eights as
Speaker 1: I do seven and a half, do you, Bill um Well?
Speaker 1: I mean in town here at least he's seven and
Speaker 1: a half circle William Hill, Westgate, South Point stations. It's fair.
Speaker 1: I feel very comfable having Baill, Crack and Burger give
Speaker 1: the not. I mean, that's fair. It's not going to
Speaker 1: be shaded like what Todd does back there. By the way, Mikey,
Speaker 1: I'm Chargers cannot make the playoffs. There's too many teams
Speaker 1: in the a f C with ridiculously good records. Even
Speaker 1: with seven teams going to the playoffs, Chargers will not
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Now I'm gonna you can tell me
Speaker 1: how that like my Vikings pick last year with from
Speaker 1: that famous episode with Lombardi. But yeah, this is this
Speaker 1: is another example of it. Everywhere. And by the way,
Speaker 1: Michael Lombardi had a tremendous amount of energy yesterday. I
Speaker 1: thought he was fantastic in your show. He did, he's
Speaker 1: he's up for it. He didn't have to worry about
Speaker 1: other elements, other elements, Todd, Mike, you know, for a
Speaker 1: guy who's supposedly my friend, I'll tell you really take
Speaker 1: a lot of shots. I'll tell you. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: Bmbardia and not everything's about you. Todd. Okay, thanks that
Speaker 1: we got We got criticized because we have an inside
Speaker 1: joke that we don't explain to people. This is what
Speaker 1: we can't explain. We went not okay Todd number three, Okay,
Speaker 1: now I just give us soliloquy about overs and unders
Speaker 1: and they're going to be coming back and and Crack agrees,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously because he's a smart guy. And uh,
Speaker 1: with all that being said, there are teams that you
Speaker 1: will not be able to make a total high enough for.
Speaker 1: One of those football teams, if you want to call
Speaker 1: it a football team, is the Atlanta Falcons. This is
Speaker 1: a team on defense. And I know you guys said
Speaker 1: Dallas is the worst defense you've ever seen. The Atlanta
Speaker 1: Falcons are right with them. Okay, these are Division three
Speaker 1: defensive football teams. This is North Dakota State. I don't know,
Speaker 1: Appalachian State. This is I don't know Incarnate Word. Does
Speaker 1: Incarnate Word have a football team? If they did, this
Speaker 1: would be the team defense, the Incarnate Word defense, which
Speaker 1: would be just pray to Jesus that they can't put
Speaker 1: in the end zone because Atlanta Falcons cannot stop anything,
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing, and they're gonna keep giving up points. I
Speaker 1: don't care how high they make the number. Teddy two
Speaker 1: gloves has shown that he's got a little offensive you know,
Speaker 1: punch to him. I think Caroline is going to be
Speaker 1: able to move the football at will. We've seen already
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons when they're home, when they're on the turf,
Speaker 1: when they're running around with all those crazy receivers, Mattie
Speaker 1: Ice can get you the back door touchdowns that you
Speaker 1: need to make an over happen. Give me the over.
Speaker 1: I like over fifty four or is it fifty four
Speaker 1: and a half? Uh circus, there you go, fifty four.
Speaker 1: Let's see what I got here. But Westgates fifty four
Speaker 1: and a half. I will tell you I got fifty
Speaker 1: four and a half. Okay, you know what, I'll take
Speaker 1: fifty four and a half anyways, because like I said,
Speaker 1: this game is going I think it's going way over.
Speaker 1: I think at lantas the kind of team that no
Speaker 1: matter how high you make it, it's gonna be very
Speaker 1: hard for it to go under. The team just scores
Speaker 1: and it cannot stop anything. Alright, Uh, number three for me,
Speaker 1: I already have the Bengals. If you recall plus thirteen,
Speaker 1: I got the h the Giants plus nine and a half.
Speaker 1: It's a three dog day for me. Uh, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do what I've been doing so far, mixed results, but
Speaker 1: I am taking as my number three pick the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 1: Hit it Todd, Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins. Gill took him
Speaker 1: last weekend god burn. This week will be the same.
Speaker 1: This week will be the same. Gilly doesn't know when
Speaker 1: it's time to drop the Dolphins. Wow, Todd wish that
Speaker 1: everybody hitting the high? F uh bill, aren't you glad
Speaker 1: you came? Yeah? It was that spontaneous or that he
Speaker 1: ever pared every time? I well, that was pretty spontaneous.
Speaker 1: The lyrics were what can also do? Case you in
Speaker 1: the Sunshine Kid, if our Sundance kid or whatever, the
Speaker 1: Sunshine band, the Sunshine get down tonight. Keep it come in, Gilly,
Speaker 1: keep it come in, Gilly. Give us those no covers,
Speaker 1: Give us those no covers. We want more, no cover
Speaker 1: to say you. I have stech to win the French Open,
Speaker 1: So nothing bothers me right now, nothing about run. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you, Moses didn't have the red Sea part
Speaker 1: like she has in this French Open. Well, let's be honest.
Speaker 1: She had a horrific first round draw and she crushed
Speaker 1: the number one seed, so not exactly well, she had
Speaker 1: to do that, Yeah, I give you that. Other than that,
Speaker 1: how did you enjoy the play, Mrs Lincoln? But it
Speaker 1: did open up for her, It did open up. You
Speaker 1: didn't even thank me for not mushing you. Oh god,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said that. Up here we go? Are
Speaker 1: you betting her in the final time? I'm staying away
Speaker 1: from tennis because I'm not mushing Gil. I'm sorry I
Speaker 1: brought it up just in his presence. All right, here's
Speaker 1: the deal. Um, I'm taking the Dolphins and Todd is right.
Speaker 1: I got crushed. We were talking about the Chargers at
Speaker 1: the end of the first half against the Bucks. The
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins kicked a field goal because that's what they
Speaker 1: do sometimes. Uh. To go down a point against the
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks late baby, late in the first half, and
Speaker 1: thought that they had left so little time on the
Speaker 1: clock that they were going to go into the locker
Speaker 1: room down a point. The Seattle Seahawks headsets stopped working
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson was on his own. God helped me
Speaker 1: because seconds later seventeen to nine. Unbelievable turn of events
Speaker 1: at the end of the first half of that game.
Speaker 1: And quite frankly, that was the difference in a cover
Speaker 1: and not a cover. Uh. Ryan Fitzpatrick did his thing
Speaker 1: like he always does, right. I think Ryan's Fitzpatrick gets
Speaker 1: and I get this sense with him as opposed to
Speaker 1: like other running quarterbacks. The other running quarterbacks are typically
Speaker 1: designed plays or they're like, well, I'm gonna run because
Speaker 1: it's the last resort. Uh. Patrick Mahomes, for instance, does that.
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick when he runs, you get the sense he's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, this is the best play we got.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run. And I think Ryan Fitzpatrick, as long
Speaker 1: as two is not being announced and by the way,
Speaker 1: how nervous are they in Miami that Justin Herbert is
Speaker 1: as good? But as long as two is not announced,
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick's you're starting quarterback. They're going up against the
Speaker 1: banged up San Francisco team that may get Jimmy Garoppolo back.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how much that matters. May, yeah, he
Speaker 1: should be back there, hoping that it will be Jimmy Garoppolo,
Speaker 1: but San Francisco still has the big injuries on defense.
Speaker 1: You're giving me nine. I'll take my chances with the
Speaker 1: back door and Ryan Fitzpatrick Miami pick number three. All right,
Speaker 1: round of applause, Okay, right, all right, Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: big crowd here. By the way, we're all three and
Speaker 1: one on our teasers. So last year we couldn't hit
Speaker 1: a teaser. This year we're hitting them all. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: hitting them all. Let's get the teasers. Your favorite to team.
Speaker 1: Six points teaser of the week, Billy, Okay, I didn't
Speaker 1: know if it was six or seven, So six six points.
Speaker 1: We're gonna change this around a little bit. That's okay,
Speaker 1: let's um. Oh boy, you put it in the text.
Speaker 1: Oh you did. I thought it was Actually I had
Speaker 1: I was using a seven point us all right, that's okay,
Speaker 1: that's okay. I will use Seattle for seventies si Seattle
Speaker 1: bringing them down to minus one, and then I am
Speaker 1: going to change. So I'm gonna use um, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: minus one. There's sevens everywhere in town here, so yeah, Stanford. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's the I'm only gonna be. But by the way,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I've I've had three teasers this year and
Speaker 1: I'm three. I have four teasers on three and one.
Speaker 1: Last week was my first losing teaser, so uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. It's the standard ones going down through the
Speaker 1: seven and going down through you. Usually I like to
Speaker 1: do like a seven and a half, eight and a
Speaker 1: half that and those those are Stanford. Yeah, yeah, nine
Speaker 1: and a half actually on the seven point teasers, um
Speaker 1: mathematically the best one that I've that I've read about.
Speaker 1: So but anyway, for this show, for this six point teaser, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's stick. I think Pittsburgh. I think Pittsburgh probably won't
Speaker 1: of them. Need to think Pittsburgh's gonna maybe do a
Speaker 1: number on Philly. Uh well, well you know, we'll see,
Speaker 1: we'll see. Uh. It's interesting like any given Sunday, anything
Speaker 1: can happen. So um Philly last week definitely, uh, you
Speaker 1: know they they I guess they deserved to win. But
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought, I thought that San fran uh
Speaker 1: should have called that was my teaser leg, by the way,
Speaker 1: that I lost last week? Was the San franco a.
Speaker 1: Twenty one of twenty six teaser legs on sides hit
Speaker 1: last week in the National Football League, some miraculously, like
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, like the Bears, if I'm not mistaken, the Bears. Yeah,
Speaker 1: um so those worked out? Was that the Bears that
Speaker 1: hit miraculously last week? They always the always Yeah. The
Speaker 1: only five that did not hit, the only five teaser
Speaker 1: legs on sides that did not hit last this week
Speaker 1: were I'll give them to you all right here, Uh Texans, Niners, Cowboys, Jets,
Speaker 1: and Cardinals. Texans, Niners, Cowboys, Jets and Cardinals Niners in
Speaker 1: their bill Sorry yeah no, no, no, Niners were Mikey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with Bill on the Seahawks. And then the second
Speaker 1: leg is a little tougher for me because I'm debating
Speaker 1: two road teams to tease down, Um, whether I want
Speaker 1: to tease down right, because there's two way to play.
Speaker 1: There's two ways to play this, right, Yeah. I either
Speaker 1: want to tease down the Rams or the car and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tea I think the Jets are just so bad.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tease the Cardinals down to one. So Seahawks
Speaker 1: Cardinals for me, Seahawks Cardinals, Todd, I am going to
Speaker 1: go with the New Orleans Saints. I know Drew Brees
Speaker 1: can't throw four yards. Drew Brees, thanks, Drew Brees is terrible.
Speaker 1: Drew Brees is the worst of all time. He's not
Speaker 1: that bad. And Herbert is not that great. Let's all
Speaker 1: calm down. Everybody's anointing these rookie quarterbacks. Herbert is not
Speaker 1: that great. He lost that game in the second half. Okay,
Speaker 1: So give me the New Orleans Saints at home minus
Speaker 1: the two, and then I'll just drop the Rams down
Speaker 1: the one and a half because you know what, the Rams,
Speaker 1: you can't trust them with that goth idiot and uh
Speaker 1: but the defensive line is fearsome. They almost killed Danny
Speaker 1: Dimes last week. And I want a nice little under
Speaker 1: on the team total in game last week with the
Speaker 1: under in the Giants because the Rams defensive front is
Speaker 1: just ferocious, and I see them getting to Kyle Allen.
Speaker 1: Is that really? Who's the quarterback now, Kyle Alan Gil Imagine,
Speaker 1: imagine if it were Dwayne Haskins against that defensive front. UH.
Speaker 1: The Washington football team making the change with Todd's referring
Speaker 1: to going from Dwayne Haskins, who they picked fifteen in
Speaker 1: the NFL draft UH in twenty nineteen NFL Draft fifteenth.
Speaker 1: At least the Skins at that time did not trade
Speaker 1: up for Dwayne Haskins, which is a small silver lining.
Speaker 1: But Ron Rivera, who was not head coach of the
Speaker 1: team when they football team drafted him. It's his way
Speaker 1: of saying, I want no part of this kid anymore.
Speaker 1: He's third string. Kyle Allen, who he imported from Carolina,
Speaker 1: is the starter in this game against the Rams, and
Speaker 1: perhaps even more frightening lye Alex Smith is your backup.
Speaker 1: And I have said this Alex Smith. If Alex Smith
Speaker 1: throws one forward pass in the NFL this year, and
Speaker 1: I don't care if it goes right into the dirt,
Speaker 1: he should be the comeback player of the Year. Have
Speaker 1: you seen what happened to his leg? You got I
Speaker 1: lost that, I lost that game. I remember specifically because
Speaker 1: I could have taken the points instead, I got greedy
Speaker 1: and went for the money line. He remembered he almost
Speaker 1: lost his leg. The fact that he is getting that,
Speaker 1: he is stepping back on an NFL field is I
Speaker 1: If I were his friend, I would give him a
Speaker 1: hug and be like, what are you doing? Man? You
Speaker 1: got millions? Oh it was way worse. It's the worst
Speaker 1: football injury I've ever seen in my life. He got
Speaker 1: You know that that he is surgery got it. There
Speaker 1: was an infection and things went terribly for him. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he's the second string quarterback though, Uh it will be kind.
Speaker 1: Are they saying he can actually play? Yeah, listen, if
Speaker 1: he's if he's suited up, he's gonna play. If something
Speaker 1: happens to Kyle Allen, why would you play him instead
Speaker 1: of Kyle Allen? We know Kyle on can't play. Uh,
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen had his moments before throwing a thousand picks.
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's Ron, that's Ron Rivera's guy from Carolina.
Speaker 1: So anyway, he's gonna have a long leash. Uh. My
Speaker 1: two teams six point teaser is the Arizona Cardinals. Like Mikey,
Speaker 1: I don't care the Jets aren't. The Jets should not
Speaker 1: beat the Cardinals. And then my other one is actually
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers, who I'm having teased down against Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: I think that defense for the Steelers ought to be
Speaker 1: able to secure the victory. Um. By the way, Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: also with a week off, a week off because they
Speaker 1: were scheduled to play the Tennessee Titans last week, and
Speaker 1: as Bill and I talked about on the show this morning,
Speaker 1: Big Ben vocal about the fact that is like, you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't want our buy week war. That sucks for us.
Speaker 1: There are no fault of our own that we have.
Speaker 1: We had to take a bye week four instead of
Speaker 1: later in the season when it would be a more
Speaker 1: you know, effective by when we have typically more injuries.
Speaker 1: I paraphrasing, but that's obviously what he was driving at. Bill,
Speaker 1: you had you and I had an interesting exchange this
Speaker 1: morning from Montreal. Max. Then I think we should share
Speaker 1: with everybody think about this COVID thing, and we always
Speaker 1: come up with one of these on the megapod every week.
Speaker 1: You want to go and Sarris should, I say, I'll
Speaker 1: just read it if you want. Yeah, please. I just
Speaker 1: did some research with Westgate, and if that Bills Titans
Speaker 1: games is ruled a forfeit by the NFL, it will
Speaker 1: avoid the Bills and Titan season win bets since the
Speaker 1: game wasn't actually played over, which really screws over the
Speaker 1: Bills fans, who will have a five and old team
Speaker 1: and we'll get a refund. Imagine that. Imagine they'll have
Speaker 1: a well the floor it Oh right, they'll be four
Speaker 1: it Oh and yes they would, right, they would get
Speaker 1: the five and oh from that's right, but season win
Speaker 1: totals would be avoided. Right, Always check the rules of
Speaker 1: your words books. So imagine you're you're sitting there innocently
Speaker 1: with the Bills season ticket win, you know, season win
Speaker 1: ticket over. You're like, I'm golden, No, you're not not
Speaker 1: this year. This is why it's so dangerous to bed
Speaker 1: any long term future stuff. We knew it. We said it.
Speaker 1: I said it a thousand times on the Numbers game.
Speaker 1: By the way, it took a lot of incoming for
Speaker 1: all the stuff I said on the radio about COVID
Speaker 1: in the NFL, COVID in college football, and there was
Speaker 1: always two or three guys on Twitter you're rooting for
Speaker 1: the virus sports chocolate, Nancy Pelosi chocolate in their basement
Speaker 1: or their attic like Todd, Yeah, sorry, sorry, And you
Speaker 1: know what I am with Gil on this? Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wasn't meaning you purpose I said,
Speaker 1: guys that are like you just mean and you're in
Speaker 1: the demographic of the fringe and your mother's attic in
Speaker 1: the didn't say that? Is that? Are you your mom's attic? Oh? Wow, No,
Speaker 1: tot is Todd is with me on all? My mom's
Speaker 1: seventy seven years old. You know it's a it's a
Speaker 1: COVID time. You know that, it's you know what, what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just like walk away from the real reason
Speaker 1: is a sense this year and they all have to
Speaker 1: return to where they're born to be counted. Oh I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Well, I did my senses in
Speaker 1: uh in uh California, Nevada and California won't leave me alone.
Speaker 1: Bit hey, I was like, I can't account it twice
Speaker 1: right by the by the way, you should also in
Speaker 1: pencil Pittsburgh. The other big reason that I came back
Speaker 1: was in the beginning, Nevada was pretty high in cases,
Speaker 1: and the healthcare system in Nevada is not good, and
Speaker 1: the situation in Pittsburgh is much better, especially for someone
Speaker 1: who's a fat so and diabetes, much better hospitals there.
Speaker 1: You're right exactly, And so I was a little nervous
Speaker 1: what if I got COVID. I'm a perfect demographic to
Speaker 1: have major, major problems. Now it turns out I lose
Speaker 1: forty five pounds playing tennis every day, so I'm not
Speaker 1: as big a fat so, but I still have diabete
Speaker 1: these so you know, I've got to be careful. Wilford
Speaker 1: Brimley says, it's pronounced diabetes. We're diabetes whatever, Todd, have
Speaker 1: you considered a new career as a as a fitness coach?
Speaker 1: And I'm serious about this to target. It's funny you
Speaker 1: said that, Mike, because if you saw those pictures that
Speaker 1: I showed on action when I was too ten, I
Speaker 1: actually had a the license to be a physical uh
Speaker 1: physical trainer in l A for a little while. I
Speaker 1: didn't really like it though, because the people don't really
Speaker 1: want to do what it takes to get the actual
Speaker 1: you know, benefits. You really have to do drastic things
Speaker 1: to get drastic results. And it's just aggravating as how
Speaker 1: when you show people what to do and they just
Speaker 1: can't do it. So I've actually been down that road before, Mike.
Speaker 1: But thank you, uh all of that to say, we
Speaker 1: were right about everything we said in the off season,
Speaker 1: and even though we took incoming everything is bearing out
Speaker 1: sadly we didn't, you know, we just and it's not
Speaker 1: about it's it's not about whether we were right or wrong.
Speaker 1: It's about we were right about how the leagues would
Speaker 1: handle it. That's the common and about foreseeable risk and
Speaker 1: betting Mark. That's right, That's all we're talking about. But
Speaker 1: the idea that everybody thinks that you were somehow rooting
Speaker 1: against sports, not every just two or three guys. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, whoever these idiots are thinking somehow, because
Speaker 1: you're telling the truth about what may or may not happen,
Speaker 1: somehow you're negative against sports. I mean, we love sports?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? That's what I used to say,
Speaker 1: Like you're onto me, I don't love sports? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: figured me out all this. Moss did that p s
Speaker 1: A about wearing masks come to Vegas, everyone safe. He
Speaker 1: lost four thousand Twitter followers It's unbelievable because he's talked
Speaker 1: about wearing the mask. He wore a mask. Incredible. By
Speaker 1: the way, are you on the Marlins like I am
Speaker 1: this morning? I am six of Sanchez are retiring the Braves.
Speaker 1: One that was like two minute first year, that was quick.
Speaker 1: Have the red score yet they still I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: we were doing this last week and the red still scored.
Speaker 1: All right, So where are we we're at? We're at
Speaker 1: the survivor pit, Oh Todd, what are the rules for
Speaker 1: the survivor pick again? Well, I will tell you a
Speaker 1: little bit about the survivor. The number one rule is
Speaker 1: that I will go a teen and O and because
Speaker 1: I'm not in a contest, not win any money because
Speaker 1: God hates me. So you should just keep following my picks.
Speaker 1: I have now used four teams. They have all one Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: Green Bay, Cleveland in Seattle. I've used those four teams
Speaker 1: and I now will go with New Orleans to beat
Speaker 1: the Herbert the Great Anthony Lynn led Chargers as my
Speaker 1: fifth survivor pick and Gil, you have used Tennessee, Cleveland,
Speaker 1: New England, and Tampa Bay and the second entry that
Speaker 1: you still have a live and who will you be
Speaker 1: using listen? I I wavered on this last week, but
Speaker 1: I stuck with my Tampa Bay pick on this show.
Speaker 1: I am, I am just if I'm being honest, I'm
Speaker 1: still torn, and I'll tell you why. Pittsburgh is who
Speaker 1: I kind of want to use. But Pittsburgh is also
Speaker 1: a Thanksgiving team, so I don't want to use them
Speaker 1: because Circle of Course and all their wisdom made Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: its own week, which is a great quirk to their survivor.
Speaker 1: So I I that's I'm hesitant to use Pittsburgh because
Speaker 1: of that. Seattle scares me a little with their defense,
Speaker 1: so I'm hesitant on that to U Seattle. The Rams
Speaker 1: scare me a little bit because of what they did
Speaker 1: against the Giants last weekend. Now it's Kyle Allen and
Speaker 1: not Dwayne Haskins, and the Redskins do have a good
Speaker 1: defensive front, so that scares me. I may end up
Speaker 1: playing the Arizona Cardinals. I think that you can put
Speaker 1: me down for that if somehow I don't end up
Speaker 1: picking that on on this you know this weekend. Don't
Speaker 1: hate on me, but I think it's gonna be Arizona.
Speaker 1: Will you tweet it out? Gil after you make your
Speaker 1: Survivor pick, if it's not Arizona, yes, I will do that.
Speaker 1: So I think it's Arizona. And I'm interesting you're considering
Speaker 1: three teams from the same division, the NFC West, right,
Speaker 1: because because it's tough to use them in division, won't
Speaker 1: use them against other division folks, because it's a solid division.
Speaker 1: That's right. San Francisco, by the way, was the thought too,
Speaker 1: But I actually Miami could do some damage there. So
Speaker 1: that's my pick. Any Survivor stuff, No, I am not.
Speaker 1: I am not. There's a lot of strategy involved, especially
Speaker 1: with that the circle one with the Thanksgiving like I
Speaker 1: would think Pittsburgh. But now that you say that, that's right,
Speaker 1: you want to save them even though they play Baltimore.
Speaker 1: But I just want to have teams available to me,
Speaker 1: you know, Baltimore Thanksgiving. So let's go to Mike. I'm out.
Speaker 1: It's I was never in and and I got beat
Speaker 1: on the show when I did it in week two
Speaker 1: or whatever it was, So I think, whatever, Todd, whatever,
Speaker 1: it's not important. That's not what's not important, Todd. That's
Speaker 1: not important. The point is I'm not participating. I wasn't
Speaker 1: go ahead, I tell you Perk Cousins is not going
Speaker 1: to be in the Hall of Fame. Will you also
Speaker 1: hate me for later? No? No, because that's a true statement. Bill.
Speaker 1: How much are you regretting coming down here? No? This
Speaker 1: is fun. I actually enjoy this. Oh yeah I am.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking forward to so glad to see Bill.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Bill in in in months, and I
Speaker 1: used to hang out with them all the time. You
Speaker 1: used to hang out, Yeah, we used to. We took
Speaker 1: Todd off the board or something. Well, I think some
Speaker 1: of the paying customers objected to looking at todd On
Speaker 1: on the big screen because I'm so skinny, Mike, because
Speaker 1: I'm so skinny, and they're like, Wow, that guy's really
Speaker 1: good looking. I think the specific complaint was they don't
Speaker 1: like cork. They're like, could you put the Braves Marlin's
Speaker 1: game away? You're like, we have it on ted screens?
Speaker 1: How about eleven? So Todd, you're not even coming in
Speaker 1: for the circle opening. I didn't even get an invitation.
Speaker 1: I got to be honest with you, I didn't get
Speaker 1: an invitation. Oh wait a minute, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: But well, because Mike, Mike, Mike bombs the kind of
Speaker 1: guy who's like, I really love you, You're my greatest friend,
Speaker 1: and you're such a great guy. As circus opening, I
Speaker 1: don't know your name. Sorry, goodbye. Well if you listen.
Speaker 1: If I get an invitation, I'll be talking to Mike
Speaker 1: here after, and I would hope to get one. I
Speaker 1: will be happy to pay for your air fare if
Speaker 1: you would like to come back in Wow off let
Speaker 1: an offer by by Mr Crack. Let me just tell
Speaker 1: you something about Crack that drop crack CODs of getting
Speaker 1: an invitation. Crack went from minus one plus plus to
Speaker 1: seventy just like that offer recented you know who did
Speaker 1: get an invitation? E good. He's not coming to talk
Speaker 1: to the Golden Ticket under ten dollar book Mystery of
Speaker 1: Mark downstairs in the office. It may do we have
Speaker 1: your address? Probably not, We might not have your ad press. Yes,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say again, I'm gonna say the invitation
Speaker 1: alone is worth this worth everything. He's calling me tomorrow
Speaker 1: and to talk about it. But it's gonna be hard
Speaker 1: for him to come. Yeah, because of his parents. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the whole situation. I think the book was enough
Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, being thought of and getting the book
Speaker 1: was enough. He doesn't have to. He doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be absolutely You're going to be my first fitness client,
Speaker 1: and I'm to tell you that you got to stop
Speaker 1: drinking those sugar drinks that they keep bringing to you.
Speaker 1: Can you see us? You can't see us, We can't
Speaker 1: see you. How many do you know any calories is
Speaker 1: in that stupid sugar drink? Mike, none of this fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes and and quitting because I did too many drop shots.
Speaker 1: You last time we played, he quit after fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: because I did too many dropshots. He's like, I can't
Speaker 1: handle it anymore. I gotta go home. That dropshot as well?
Speaker 1: Is what pop my achilles? I don't have that same recollection.
Speaker 1: It could have been, it could have been close to that.
Speaker 1: But remember in A hundred and seventeen degrees I played
Speaker 1: an hour with e Oh. Yes, the pace of play
Speaker 1: wasn't up to Todd, uh Drivin uh and uh Jason,
Speaker 1: who are running stuff. They've they've made Todd into Ted Copple.
Speaker 1: You know Ted Copple on Nightline used to be able
Speaker 1: to see the guests, but the guests could never see him.
Speaker 1: That was the Copple advantage. So Todd's got that same
Speaker 1: advantage with us right now? Final two question the drinks.
Speaker 1: Did Mike Palm just drink of these like whatever? These things?
Speaker 1: He's one of ahead of me, so I think he's
Speaker 1: he's too deep, but he's got a third. They're not alcohol,
Speaker 1: there's just a little sugar drink. It's a sea breeze, right, Virgin.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else. By the way, what's your
Speaker 1: weight now? You had been losing weight? What are you
Speaker 1: down to now? I have lost twenty United States pens?
Speaker 1: Good for you, man, you're down to Look at these
Speaker 1: marlins this morning? I was to forty five Gil? Oh man,
Speaker 1: what's the line from your only? That's the line for
Speaker 1: me being less than gills very he's only thirty pounds.
Speaker 1: That believable. I think you can do it. I think
Speaker 1: there's a financial thing involved, a bet, like a weight
Speaker 1: better something. You'll do it, but you'll do it for yourself.
Speaker 1: I know that. I tried to bet Gil but he
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do it. But it's gonna be even
Speaker 1: worth more than that, because if I can ever get
Speaker 1: to to twelve, when he's to thirteen, I can dance
Speaker 1: and laugh forever. Well, here's the thing. The differences is
Speaker 1: that you are doing this because of health concerns. We'll
Speaker 1: have health concerns, all right, but yours more severe than others.
Speaker 1: And you are completely disciplined and your whole life is
Speaker 1: ruined by it. I enjoy my life, that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you? And how tall? How tall is Todd? Like
Speaker 1: five five? He's seemingly he's seemingly eleven foot tall? At
Speaker 1: than that? When you cannot laugh it over him, it's incredible. No,
Speaker 1: I forgot, I just forget. No, No, he's no, he's
Speaker 1: not sure. No, No, he's like he's taller than I am.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah he isnah? Oh wow, okay cool? How tall
Speaker 1: are you? Toddie? But I'm also but I'm ten feet
Speaker 1: six at the next you can't get it over. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what they do, really not just does they
Speaker 1: jump or just he just sits there. Oh, there's no
Speaker 1: way around him. I can't see. The sun is blocked
Speaker 1: as well. I can't see period. Yeah. Are you guys
Speaker 1: still actively playing tennis? No? I haven't in a year,
Speaker 1: and you have eleven months for my achilles. I don't
Speaker 1: know what. But Todd laughed, you should live right across
Speaker 1: the street. Phone so it was very convenient. We're going
Speaker 1: when I come back, we're gonna play again. Gil's gonna
Speaker 1: be better, and you can come and make tons of
Speaker 1: money because think and I'll be laying like three and
Speaker 1: a half and I'll crush him. Okay, Todd, Uh, Let's
Speaker 1: do the final two questions, by the way Brian Anderson
Speaker 1: runners at first and second. One to pitch one half
Speaker 1: bottom of the first. Let's go get something done fintal
Speaker 1: two questions, which are the big favorites. Is the most
Speaker 1: likely to lose out right, and there are tons, tons
Speaker 1: of choices here. Baltimore thirteen point favorites against Cincinnati, Kansas
Speaker 1: City twelve and a half thirteen point favorites against Las Vegas, Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: seven point favorites against Philly Ram seven point favorites against
Speaker 1: this excuse me watching football team, Arizona seven point favorites
Speaker 1: against New York Jets, San Francisco nine point favorites against
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins Dallas, nine and a half point favorites against
Speaker 1: the New York Giants, New England eleven point favorites against Denver,
Speaker 1: Broncoast Seattle seven point favorites against the Minnesota Vikings, New
Speaker 1: Orleans seven and a half eight point favorites against the Chargers.
Speaker 1: We have never had that many options before ever in
Speaker 1: any given week, Bill, of all those teams, the most
Speaker 1: likely to lose out right, I'll say the Saints Monday Night,
Speaker 1: the Saints, Mikey, Cowboys, Todd, Uh, I'm most likely to lose,
Speaker 1: big favorite. I you know I can see the Cowboys losing.
Speaker 1: I'll say Cowboys very good. Uh. We have a fifth
Speaker 1: Green Band Detroit, Green Band Detroit or on a buy
Speaker 1: right now? There's no Buffalo Tennessee game. So there's fourteen games.
Speaker 1: If you had to bet all, well, you had to
Speaker 1: bet the entire sleep, but you got one free pass.
Speaker 1: You had a bet thirteen out of fourteen of these,
Speaker 1: there's one game on the side you want no part
Speaker 1: of whatsoever? Bill? What game would that be on the spread?
Speaker 1: Right of course? Yes, sir, the Cincinnati Baltimore game. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on there. I don't like that
Speaker 1: nine nine of ten books do not have the line
Speaker 1: up in front of me. Uh. Yeah, that that would
Speaker 1: be the past right now, Mike. You know I don't
Speaker 1: know what the new Texans will look like under Romeo. Now.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna stay away from next exact lem Jacksonville Houston, Todd,
Speaker 1: I don't like the Vikings game because I just have
Speaker 1: no feel for that, that idiot Kirk Cousins at all.
Speaker 1: I just can't stand him. I can't stand to being
Speaker 1: all of the time. I can't stand to be against
Speaker 1: him for him any which way, it just goes wrong.
Speaker 1: Thank you Todd, appreciate it. Mikey, thank you, Bill, appreciate
Speaker 1: you coming on podcast. Love having you on the megapod.
Speaker 1: Good luck with all your week five bets in the NFL,
Speaker 1: whatever gets played, whenever it gets played. Um. By the way,
Speaker 1: if it is a forfeiture in millions, whoever forfeits gets
Speaker 1: zero points. Whoever is the beneficiary of the forefeit gets
Speaker 1: one point. Correct if um correct. If the NFL declares
Speaker 1: you a winner and you get a W that counts
Speaker 1: as a point and it also counts as a survivor advancement.
Speaker 1: Wow wow that would be debated for a while. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What happens though? If the Steelers get credited as a
Speaker 1: win after they didn't really get credited for that week,
Speaker 1: wouldn't that be a problem. It has to have been
Speaker 1: graded as a win. By two am on Tuesday morning.
Speaker 1: Correct for Todd, for Mike, for Billy. Thanks listen to
Speaker 1: the megapot, Good luck with all your best to get
Speaker 1: to the NFL. Go eat just Bote, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: Beck to podcast now. Please don't. I would like