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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: We Get Everything, So don't you get a rout up

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Speaker 1: to the last Welcome to the Worst Year Ever? A

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Speaker 1: podcast about you know and such. I'm Robert Evans and

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Speaker 1: my co hosts are Katie Still and Cody Johnston. And

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Speaker 1: today we're going to talk about what's been happening in

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Speaker 1: the city of Portland for the last forty days, because

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Speaker 1: the city has been through now more than forty straight

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Speaker 1: days of protesting and about like half of those days

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Speaker 1: have wound up being riots. And in fact, this specific

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Speaker 1: episode is coming after a five night a series of

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Speaker 1: five nights in which three riots were declared. Um, so

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Speaker 1: it's been it's been a real one in Portland. Wow.

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting? Forty days. That is so many

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Speaker 1: days and you do not see it getting covered in

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Speaker 1: the mainstream media. Um. I know it's happening from you.

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Speaker 1: But I've said this before, but even people that I

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Speaker 1: know that live in Portland aren't aware of the extent

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Speaker 1: to what's happening downtown. You know, everyone's sheltering in place.

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Speaker 1: Just the media coverage of it is abysmal. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: hasn't you know, there's a lot of great journalists out

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Speaker 1: there in the streets, but most of them aren't working

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Speaker 1: for huge outlets, you know. As part of one of

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Speaker 1: the things we're going to discuss a little bit later today.

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Speaker 1: The specific thing that just happened on the fourth of

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Speaker 1: July that I think needs to be covered is it

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Speaker 1: was essentially, we essentially saw a medieval siege in this

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Speaker 1: in the streets of an American city, UM waged between

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Speaker 1: like federal agents firing through murder slits and a fortified,

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Speaker 1: uh federal courthouse and being shot back at by protesters

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Speaker 1: armed with hundreds of illegal fireworks. Um. It was. It

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Speaker 1: was one of the craziest things I've ever seen, Like

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Speaker 1: federal agents dropping tear gas out of slits in the

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Speaker 1: walls of a courthouse, as like people with shields, you know,

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Speaker 1: clustered to stop the impact rounds being fired into the

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Speaker 1: crowds that folks could shoot fireworks back into the courthouse.

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Speaker 1: It was fucking It was nuts, like I've never I've

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Speaker 1: never seen anything like it. Um. I guess I would

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Speaker 1: say the closest thing I've seen to what we saw

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Speaker 1: in July four was is was actual warfare. Um. It

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Speaker 1: was about as close as you can get to actual

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Speaker 1: warfare without people shooting live rounds at each other. UM.

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Speaker 1: And things have escalated in some ways since then. And

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Speaker 1: what's what's happening in Portland is interesting for a number

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Speaker 1: of reasons, UM fundamentally, And this is something that's been

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Speaker 1: brought up to me by two of my stringers, you know,

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Speaker 1: who have been working with me in the streets of

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Speaker 1: Portland's UM. They go under Twitter at at forty Absurdest Brigade,

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Speaker 1: but UM. One of them, Elaine, pointed out to me

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Speaker 1: that like we're essentially seeing, um, what happens when a

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Speaker 1: huge chunk of a city loses its fear of its

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Speaker 1: police force. Because that's something that that has really been evident.

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Speaker 1: After so many nights of getting tear gassed and shot

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Speaker 1: continue to show up at these protests aren't scared of

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Speaker 1: cops anymore. UM. And so the police and law enforcement

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Speaker 1: has had to escalate. And what's happened in the wake

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Speaker 1: UM who who are And essentially you're saying, like federal

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Speaker 1: agents who are indistinguishable from soldiers, UM, not wearing like

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Speaker 1: police riot armor, but wearing full combat armor, carrying him

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Speaker 1: four rifles, you know, charging out to grab and arrest

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Speaker 1: people for stuff like knocking on the door of the courthouse. Um.

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Speaker 1: Because they don't have any rules of engagement. You know,

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Speaker 1: the police have limitations on what they can do. The

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Speaker 1: federal agents don't. And so as the people of Portland

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Speaker 1: have become less and less able to disperse the crowds

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Speaker 1: arrayed against them, um, the Feds are coming in more

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Speaker 1: and more to funk people up, um, and and doing

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Speaker 1: so using tactics that are that are straight up military

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Speaker 1: tactics that aren't like militarized. You're not talking about like

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, You're not just saying like, oh,

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Speaker 1: the police have grenade launchers, so they're militarized. It's like no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no. The federal federal troops are essentially using military

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Speaker 1: tactics to try to break up these gatherings. UM. So

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Speaker 1: one of the things that you see with police is

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Speaker 1: police are supposed to announce something called an unlawful ass

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Speaker 1: This is like there's a rhythm to a protest, even

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Speaker 1: because the police have have legal strictures on how they're

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Speaker 1: And this doesn't mean the police don't use success of force,

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Speaker 1: A lane who has seen a lot of street action

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Speaker 1: when you're when you're prosecuting a war. Like one of

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Speaker 1: It's constant disruption. So the unpredictability, the inability for them

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Speaker 1: all of the critiques of the Portland Police Bureau their

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Speaker 1: on a number of occasions. It was predictable. Um, you

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429
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Speaker 1: been possible for this crowd to destroy that courthouse, um,

430
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Speaker 1: is absurd because it's basically a castle. Well, it's either

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Speaker 1: a lie or stupid. They knocked aggressively. I thought you

432
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Speaker 1: were talking about that was the next night. That was

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Speaker 1: the next night. Uh, someone just knocked on the door

434
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Speaker 1: and got arrested. Yeah, you could tell they meant business

435
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Speaker 1: with that knock. Yeah, yeah, it was an assault knock. Um,

436
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: all right, let's listen to our friends continue. And I've

437
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: said it before, I don't care what your ideological police are.

438
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Speaker 1: Your political is wrong. And I can tell you for one,

439
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Speaker 1: I'm glad that this president United States understands importance of

440
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Speaker 1: law order. And then it's a cornerstone of American society.

441
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Speaker 1: What we saw in Portland last night was criminal. And

442
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Speaker 1: it's funny that he says violence is wrong because again

443
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: the police were repeatedly pumping impact munitions blindly into a

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Speaker 1: crowd and dragging people across the ground and beating them

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Speaker 1: with sticks. So I'm interested for this, for for Mark

446
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: Morgan's condemnation of the Portland police for that, but I

447
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 1: didn't hear it. Yeah, he says he doesn't care about

448
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: our what do you say, ideological? Ideological? Yeah, he does.

449
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: He cares, he cares what your well. I mean, he

450
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Speaker 1: immediately invoked the president. So I think you have a

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Speaker 1: little bit to do with some sort of ideology. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he might have an ideology. It's possible, Mr Krisher.

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Speaker 1: The presidents have warned that this element, there are parts

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Speaker 1: of these groups that are terrorists, perhaps that they're literally

455
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Speaker 1: trying to do pure HARMONSI isn't about making a statement.

456
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Speaker 1: You have some news you can share with us now

457
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Speaker 1: about the arrest on Friday and the attack on the

458
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Speaker 1: Hatfield Thrial courthouse. What is that absolutely group? Earliest morning?

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Speaker 1: In fact, I just got this situation report a few

460
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Speaker 1: minutes ago. Is that one of the criminals that were

461
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Speaker 1: actually trying to assault one of the CDP employees while

462
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Speaker 1: he was being arrested. The report right now is is

463
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Speaker 1: telling us that a pipe bomb, a fused and sinary device,

464
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Speaker 1: and a machete was actually discovered during that search. Now,

465
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Speaker 1: this is really interesting. It wasn't but if there was

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Speaker 1: a if there was a machete in the possession of

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Speaker 1: someone there, they were violating no law because it is

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Speaker 1: the possession of unconcealed machete is completely unregulated in the

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Speaker 1: state of Oregon and completely legal. The pipe bomb thing

470
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: is real funny because I found the picture that they

471
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Speaker 1: posted to this and number one. For whatever reason, they

472
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Speaker 1: posted the picture of the pipe bomb with a bunch

473
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Speaker 1: of tissue paper and zip ties, which was a weird call.

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Speaker 1: And also, it's not a pipe bomb. It's very it's

475
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Speaker 1: very clear. It is a pipe with uh two bits

476
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: of like metal um uh plugs like screwed into either end.

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Speaker 1: I can see how someone might initially think, oh, that

478
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Speaker 1: might be a pipe bomb, but there's no whole drilled

479
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: in it, there's no fuse, there's no evidence of any

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Speaker 1: explosives at all. And what it actually is and what

481
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,239
Speaker 1: it appears to be, I should say, um, based on

482
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Speaker 1: my experience going to a whole lot of protests and riots.

483
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: Is people make ship like this all the times to

484
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: break windows. It's a window breaking thing. It is a

485
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Speaker 1: thing somebody mads that they can fucking crack a window

486
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Speaker 1: very easily. And there's no evidence that it's a pipe bomb.

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Speaker 1: That's surprising to me that they would report that it's

488
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: a pipe bomb, though, because Fox News is pretty diligent

489
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Speaker 1: about checking these things. And you'll notice you'll notice the

490
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Speaker 1: language that the CBP commissioner uses because he says he

491
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Speaker 1: after saying it's a pipe bomb, he says, okay, but

492
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Speaker 1: he goes back and says, based on the report that

493
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Speaker 1: we're reading right now, um, because at some point they're

494
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: going to walk this back, because there will. My suspicion

495
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: is that they will have no evidence of any actual

496
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Speaker 1: explosives and thus that this was not a pipe bomb. Um.

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Speaker 1: So you know, you've got to make sure that everyone knows,

498
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Speaker 1: oh what I you know, based on the report I've read,

499
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: they had a pipe bomb, and then you never have

500
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,959
Speaker 1: to correct it. They're not going to have him back

501
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: on Fox News to be like, ah, you know what,

502
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: it was just a guy who was ready to fucking

503
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Speaker 1: break some windows because he wanted to loot some Louis

504
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: Vuitton or whatever. UM. Very frustrating, but I'm interested in

505
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: their fucking analysis of that pipe bomb with no fuse

506
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: in it at all. Uh, that'll be fun anyway. Let's

507
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Speaker 1: contin in. You think about that, Griff, think about the

508
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: deadly consequences from these criminal actions, no one, Let's just

509
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: get out there and see some video. There's a video

510
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: where a woman is overheard confronting one of the agents

511
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: there and she refers to it as Hey, I know

512
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: this game. I'm on a city sidewalk. There's nothing that

513
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: you can do. And she goes further and says, why

514
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: don't you go back where you came from? White boy?

515
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Speaker 1: That's what this is, Griff, It's a game to see.

516
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: I love this. I love this because he immediately says,

517
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Speaker 1: you know, we need to talk about the deadly consequences

518
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Speaker 1: of this. And then those consequences are somebody called a

519
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: Copple white boy, while standing on a sidewalk and asserting

520
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: her right to be on the sidewalk of a city

521
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Speaker 1: that she lives in. That's the deadly consequences here. Very fun.

522
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: Love love this guy. It's a deadly game. But series

523
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: this is about law and order. We must be united.

524
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: Where are the local political leaders griff standing up saying

525
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: this is uncomfortable, this is wrong and these individuals should

526
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: see some desists and be arrested. Where that? Where are they? Now?

527
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: That's that's funny because in the City of Portland, our

528
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: mayor has stood by the police pretty pretty significantly um

529
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: and has made only the most milk toast kind of complaints.

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Speaker 1: And so did our our city Commissioner, Joanne Hardesty. She

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Speaker 1: wrote a real mean letter to the police after they

532
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: beat the piss out of a bunch of people last Tuesday. UM.

533
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Speaker 1: But that letter she wrote the day after she was

534
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Speaker 1: like one of the deciding votes to approve the new

535
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Speaker 1: police budget for the next several months, so uh gave

536
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Speaker 1: up any sort of leverage that she had to the

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00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: police and then said that they were mean. Um. Because again,

538
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: local political leaders in Portland are terrified of the police

539
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: union UM and usually terrified to take any action against it. Now,

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Speaker 1: what I will say, if you're trying to look at

541
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: how popular these protests are, I don't have perfect data

542
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: for you, but there's a current runoff election for the

543
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: Mayor of Portland between the current Mayor Ted Wheeler uh

544
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: and Sarah yann Rone who is his his like did

545
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: well enough in the election that there's a run off

546
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Speaker 1: in November. She was something like twenty points behind before

547
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: all this started, and now they are neck and neck. Um,

548
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: So that might suggest that there's actually quite a bit

549
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: of sympathy in the city of Portland's for the people

550
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: out protesting the police every night. Um, we'll see it

551
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: in November, I suppose troubling that a pipe bomb allegedly

552
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: was found along with thee So what will happen now

553
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: with that individuals and those that you're arresting there? That individuals, absolutely, Griffin,

554
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: that's where you said, this really is a whole of

555
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: government approach. So we had United States Marshal's Federal Protective

556
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: Service there ice HS I said, agents there, and the

557
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: FBI has committed a lot of resources to making sure

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00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: that these individuals are arrested, arrested and prosecuted to the

559
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: full extendaal law for the criminals that they are. We

560
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: are doing disservice to peaceful, lawful protesters when we call

561
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: these individual protesters, they're not they're criminal thugs with an agenda.

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00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: In the last second, Mr Commissioner, do you see this

563
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: being now you'll have to escalate the force that you're

564
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: already deploying. Look, we're we're going to escalate to the

565
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: use of force that's needed to repel these criminals and

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Speaker 1: apprehend them and prosecute them. But I can tell you

567
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: I've been doing this for twenty five years and this

568
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: president is behind us, and I'm glad that we have

569
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Speaker 1: an administration that understands the importance of law and order.

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Speaker 1: We're not walking away from our federal facilities like police departments,

571
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Speaker 1: having some communities, We're staying. Mr. Commissurance, Thanks for being Yeah,

572
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: so that's fun going on there. Yeah, that's going on there.

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00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: That guy really had a line to push about how

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Speaker 1: much he likes the president. I'm guessing because yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean the coded language also, like we finally have

576
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Speaker 1: a president that backs us up here. You know, we

577
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: know what they're backing up also, criminals. Just the words

578
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: that they used to describe protesters. What are they doing? Okay,

579
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Speaker 1: I guess you shouldn't technically be firing fireworks out of

580
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Speaker 1: federal building. I think it is against the law. I do.

581
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: I do suspect it's against the law to shoot a

582
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Speaker 1: legal fireworks at a federal courthouse. I'll get that's not

583
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: everybody that's you know. And also they've been using the

584
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Speaker 1: same language for all of this. It's not just that

585
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, um, but overall very impressed with their coverage. Yeah,

586
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't say that with a straight face. It's very funny, um.

587
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: I it's funny, like the focus on the violence of

588
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: the protesters when the actual injuries um have been pretty

589
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: one sided. Uh and and and largely dealt out by

590
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: the police. The police like every every time they can

591
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Speaker 1: will post a video of like they posted one after

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Speaker 1: the July four that showed um burns on a guy's

593
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: on officers pants um from a firework and another officer

594
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: who was doused in paint UM and they're like, these

595
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: are just two examples of the kind of violence done

596
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Speaker 1: to our officers, and it's showing them. The journalists who

597
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: lost her eye, Yeah, I mean that was another city,

598
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: but they did mace one of our journalists and shove

599
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: him to the ground, and another journalist who was filming

600
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: and arrest got knocked down and beaten on the legs

601
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: with with trunchean's um. Several of us have been shot

602
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: with impact munitions. Um, I've had my pants burned by

603
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Speaker 1: a flash bang. Uh, which you know is I would

604
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: say at least comparable to what happened to that other

605
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Speaker 1: officers pants. No one is poured. I will say this,

606
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: I did not get covered in paint. Um. That is

607
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: that is a type of tremendous violence. That is a

608
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: unique experience of of of Portland police officers. So yeah,

609
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: Andy does well. Yeah, he wouldn't know it was something

610
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: else white and creamy. Um. Yeah, we have to take

611
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: another at break. I'm speaking of white and creamy. Yeah,

612
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: I get to you. Did you say speaking of something

613
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: white and creamy? I sure did, Katie one pump, one

614
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: cream pad, break together everything we're back. Oh my god,

615
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: I love cream. Um. No I don't. You don't, No,

616
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: not really. Um, I mean yeah, it's a I have.

617
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: I have complicated emotional feelings on the nature of cream. Um.

618
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: We'll get dig into that in another day. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: I'm left like we're in a We're in this very

620
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: strange place in Portland where things seem to have escalated

621
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Speaker 1: to the high I can't imagine things escalating further. Then

622
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Speaker 1: they went on the fourth without gunfire. Um, most likely

623
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Speaker 1: gunfire from federal or even you know, local police, because

624
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: I think a lot of them are itching to be

625
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: able to do that. UM. I have trouble imagining things

626
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: escalating further. So in terms of how the movement continues here,

627
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: I can only see it moving laterally, right. You know,

628
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: we had you know, people going after different targets, not confronted,

629
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Speaker 1: you know, going after the Portland Police Association headquarters again. UM.

630
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Speaker 1: I could also see other tactics being adopted, but in

631
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Speaker 1: terms of physical confrontation of the police, it doesn't get

632
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: much more intense than having a fireworks fight with them,

633
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: Like yeah, uh yeah, I don't know, is there Um.

634
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: I know that we've we've mentioned this before and and

635
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: goals kind of evolve and change, But what is it

636
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: that people specifically want from Portland's Is this the dissolution

637
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: of the police department? Is it acknowledgement of um certain

638
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: officers there. I'm just curious. Yeah, as you know, morphs

639
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: and changes too. But I think of the folks I've

640
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Speaker 1: talked to, most of them, the minimum they wanted was

641
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: like fifty million taken out of the budget, and they

642
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: got about half that. UM. More common people want the

643
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: Portland Police Association dissolved. They don't want you know, they

644
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: do not want the police in Portland to have a union.

645
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: They want officers who have been involved in questionable shootings

646
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: to be prosecuted. UM. Pretty reasonable. Yeah. They want an

647
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: end too, and they've won actually an into a number

648
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: of the of the most problematic units in the Portland

649
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: Police bureau. So like the Gang Task Force, which is

650
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: responsible for a lot of shootings has been dissolved. Um.

651
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: And the Transit Police they're not getting funding, although the

652
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: funding has just been shifted to the Sheriff's Department for

653
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: the Transit police, who are responsible for a lot of

654
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: fucking with the houseless people. Uh. They are removing officers

655
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: from Portland's schools, which is a big win. UM. So

656
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: I think people want to see more of that. There's

657
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: more units they'd like to see dissolved. They'd like to

658
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: see stuff like, you know, don't just shift the funding

659
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: over to the Sheriff's Department for transit police, cut it entirely. Um.

660
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: I think most people who are out every night at

661
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: the Justice Center want the Portland Police completely dissolved and

662
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: replaced with something new. UM. That is probably the single

663
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: most common view, but at the very minimum, people want

664
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: to see the police much more defunded um, and want

665
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: to see them no longer sort of immune to the

666
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: consequences of their violence. Um. Yeah. And there's also a

667
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 1: general I think desire for charges to be dropped, um,

668
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: and not just charges against protesters, but journalists are getting charged.

669
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: I was just chatting with core Elia who um was

670
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: assaulted by the Portland Police early on in all this

671
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: was like thrown to the ground and maced in the

672
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: face for filming them um, and sued them as a result,

673
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: is brought them a civil suit and a couple of

674
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: weeks later, Uh, he was at a protest outside of

675
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: the one by the Portland Police Association and he recognized

676
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: the officer who I believe the one who maced him,

677
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: and he stated the officer's name on a live stream

678
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: and he was arrested very aggressively and is being charged

679
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 1: with two felony counts of assaulting a police officer, which

680
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: I can say conclusively is a lie by the Portland Police. Bear.

681
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: I'll testify in court to that I watched his arrest,

682
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: I filmed it. Um. There was no evidence of any

683
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: kind of aggression from Corey. Now police often have you know,

684
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: like in d C. If you struggle while handcuffed, you're

685
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: assaulting a police officer. So, um, we'll see what actually

686
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: is able to hold up in court. Um. But the

687
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: yield they struggled, they struggled while handcuffed violence. Um. They

688
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: clearly are are throwing these charges at Corey both because

689
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: you know he piste off a specific officer, um, but

690
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: also because they want to chill the free press in Portland.

691
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: And if you get even if their bogus charges, getting

692
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: felony charges against you completely changes your life. While you

693
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: are under them. You are not innocent until proven guilty.

694
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: You suffer immediate consequences as a result of having felony

695
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: charges against you. UM. So yeah, I mean it had

696
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: a chilling effect on me because I see, I would

697
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: see getting felony charges against me is not all that

698
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: far from a death sentence because one of the things

699
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: that will happen. I have a number of death threats

700
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: against me. I get them pretty regularly. Um. I carry

701
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: a firearm and rely on a firearm for self defense.

702
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: If I were to be charged with a felony Um,

703
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: they would come and take all of my firearms. And

704
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: not only that, but my name would become you know,

705
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: they would it would be a very public case. Um.

706
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: The Portland Police know where I live, and there are

707
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: cases of We just had an officer retire with full

708
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: pension who had been caught in photographs with a shrine

709
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: to Adolf Hitler. Um. There's a long documented history of

710
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 1: the Portland Police collaborating with groups like the Proud Boys

711
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: and Patriot Prayer in this city. Like emails between them,

712
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: you can read all this. UM, I have no I

713
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: have no doubt that my address would get out. UM.

714
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: So like that that has altered my coverage and where

715
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: I have gone and physically put myself while trying to

716
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: cover these protests. And that was the goal. You know,

717
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: their goal was to scare Journey listened to not and

718
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: they have had now a federal injunction put against them

719
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: that says they can't arrest journalists or demand that we disperse.

720
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: So that's good. I'm less worried now as a result

721
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: of that. UM. And on the fourth I felt generally

722
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: pretty safe, but they did target a couple of colleagues

723
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: of mine and another journalist live streamer got arrested. Because

724
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: there's now this debate between like what is a journalist?

725
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: You know, how many of these, like citizen reporters UM

726
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: really count as journalist And obviously the police want to

727
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: narrow a definition of journalists as possible UM. But mainstream

728
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: like the big local outlets and stuff, can't afford to

729
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: have reporters out in the street every nights. We're at

730
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: forty nights now. You know, even the local the local

731
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: press that's done the best job of covering this, like

732
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: the oregon Ian UM and will Emitt weekly or is

733
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: our Oregonian and the Mercury, which have both done I

734
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: think pretty good jobs, particularly the Mercury, of covering this

735
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: UM in the streets like they're not they're not able

736
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: to send people out every night, and neither is like

737
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 1: local news TV stations because it's just too there's too much.

738
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: So if you're a person who lives here and wants

739
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: to know what your police are doing, lets you know

740
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: what's happening in the streets of your city. You're very

741
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: reliant on these the citizen journalists UM, some of whom

742
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: have professional credential like a professional history, and some of

743
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: whom are very new to this. You're very reliant on

744
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: all of these people to actually know what's happening. Um.

745
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: And I think there's a reason we don't have a

746
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: strict legal definition of what makes a journalist as long

747
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: as these people aren't participating in the protests, um, which

748
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: I haven't seen any of them, do you. I I haven't

749
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: seen them carrying a sign or lighting things on fire.

750
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: They're just filming. And as long as they're doing that,

751
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: I don't see any reason not to consider them a

752
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 1: journalist legally. You know. Well, yeah, because journalism is different

753
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: now than it's ever been. Yeah, this is how people

754
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: get news and spread news. Um. And that's just the

755
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: reality of it. Yeah, you are, if you are going

756
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: to show up at a protest as a journalist, there

757
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: are some behavioral things that I think are incumbent upon you. Um,

758
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: in order to to be a professional at this sort

759
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 1: of an event. Um, You're you are not supposed to be.

760
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: You know. The only the only actions I will tell

761
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: outside of reporting at these events is to render medical aid,

762
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: which I think is a general responsibility everybody has if

763
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: they're able to. Um. But you don't, you don't take

764
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: part in you know, you know, none of the people

765
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: shooting fireworks offward journalists. People were just filming. Um. And

766
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: I think as long as people make that, as long

767
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 1: as the people out there filming, these citizen journalists are

768
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: are being journalists, um, they should be treated as such

769
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: under the law. Um. And it's it's very I think

770
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: it's it's something everyone needs to be concerned about that

771
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: we have both state and federal law enforcement kind of

772
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: peeking and pushing it around the edges of the legal

773
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: protections journalists and joy to try to scare them as

774
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: much as possible. That should really concern everybody. Oh, it

775
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: sounds really scary to be there in the midst of

776
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: all this. Yeah, it's interesting. It's really interesting. You know.

777
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of PTSD in the streets of

778
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: Portland because all of the protesters who have been out

779
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 1: regularly have have accrued a decent amount of trauma because

780
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: it is traumatic being subject to that kind of the

781
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: kind of fighting that's been happening in the streets. It's

782
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: it's traumatic to be subject to that kind of police violence,

783
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: to watch them throwing people to the ground and beating

784
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: them with sticks. To have so many fucking flash bangs

785
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: explode next to your face, um, to have all that

786
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: tear gas and abandoned a sustained way like this. Yeah,

787
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: it sucks you up and we're all like all the

788
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,479
Speaker 1: journalists definitely, especially the ones who have been out the most,

789
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: are like dealing with um, pretty significant trauma. A lot

790
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: of therapists are going to make a good living off

791
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: the Portland Press Corps after this. UM. But I am

792
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'm really uh, I'm really proud of the

793
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: journalists in Portland because a lot of people who I

794
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 1: don't think ever had any sort of ambition or plan

795
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: to cover conflict UM have really risen to the occasion

796
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: in a very difficult situation. UM. You know, Corey Ellie

797
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: as primary beat was like he covered homelessness on like

798
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: the streets of Portland's UM. He's been, you know, doing

799
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: a lot of frontline work and and is you know,

800
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: currently taking a break because of the felony charges against

801
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: him and because the police stole all of his equipment

802
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: and aren't giving it back. But he's done incredible work.

803
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: You can find him on Twitter at the real Corey Eliot.

804
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: Tuck Woodstock at t U c K. Woodstock has also

805
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: done you know, they've done some really incredible reporting on

806
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: the ground. They're there most nights. Alex Olinsky UM has

807
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 1: done really great work for the Mercury Garrison. This we

808
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: were one of you know, the on the one of

809
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: the first couple of nights, I was out there UM

810
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: my colleague and I meet this like this young man

811
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: UM who it was very clearly very very new to

812
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: UH journalism period Um and you know, part like it

813
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: had been doing some UH data journalism, but I think

814
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: it was new to like street work, and you know,

815
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: it was just kind of out because the protests and

816
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: riots were starting in Portland, and he kind of shadowed

817
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: my partner and I for a couple of nights, and

818
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: he's been out in the street almost every night that

819
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: this has been happening since he's sucked down on an

820
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: incredible amount of tear gas and it's just like I've

821
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: the more I've learned about him, the more I impressed

822
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: I am, because he's he's like seventeen years old and

823
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: a parkour instructor and just the most the the squirreliest

824
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: like it like wiliest report, like street reporter I think

825
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: I've ever witnessed with my own eyes, just incredible at

826
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: getting in getting amazing shots and then running like funk

827
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: from the cops. When it becomes clear that it's time

828
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: to run like from the cops, park skills to get away.

829
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: He absolutely does. You should see it. He's awesome. He's

830
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: so good flips over their heads yes, yeah, I mean

831
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: not quite that, but like over fences and ship. Yeah.

832
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: You can find him at at Hungry bow Tie on Twitter. Um,

833
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: and he does. He puts out some amazing videos. Like again,

834
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: the first couple of nights he was kind of like

835
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: hanging around us and he's just been like clearly doesn't

836
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: have anything left to learn from the likes of me. Um.

837
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: I've wound up following him a few times lately just

838
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: because he's he's gotten so good at this sort of ship. Um.

839
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, Garrison's a great follow Um. Yeah. Sergio Almost,

840
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: who has been assaulted by the police and a couple

841
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: of occasions, is a great local reporter, one of those

842
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: like whenever folks are out for the first time and

843
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: asking like where they should be at the proach, go

844
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: find Sergio. Um, you can find him at Mr Almost.

845
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: He's yeah, just a just a wonderful journalist. Yeah. So

846
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm i'm, I'm, I'm leaving out some folks

847
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: that I'm going to be Oh yeah, and you can

848
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: find my own stringers, like the folks that I've been

849
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: working with and who have been doing some independent reporting

850
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: themselves at atty absurdist on Twitter. Um. They put out

851
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: great videos, UM, and put out a really interesting article

852
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: that I want to talk about right now about the

853
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Speaker 1: President's recent declaration about statues and ship protecting American Monuments

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Speaker 1: Executive Order thirty three Protecting American Monuments, Memorial Statues, and

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Speaker 1: Combating Recent criminal Violence. We'll have a link to the

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Speaker 1: article they wrote. UM. It's a medium post, but they

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Speaker 1: put together it's a very good breakdown of what this

858
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Speaker 1: executive order does. But this is essentially Trump's So clearly,

859
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: this situation on the streets nationwide has kind of gotten

860
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: away from the President, and this is his this is

861
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: his attempt to do something about it. UM. And the

862
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Speaker 1: gist of it is that he's declaring all statues and

863
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Speaker 1: monuments in the country to basically be federal property. UM.

864
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Speaker 1: Like regardless even if it's not a federal no, even

865
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Speaker 1: if it's not UM, and it's a very illegal order. UM.

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Speaker 1: The statues don't even have to be government property. UM.

867
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Speaker 1: They're just statues any person that counterpoint law and order. Yeah, yeah,

868
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Speaker 1: that's really his argument. And like it's it's it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot that's fascinating because, like in the justification

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Speaker 1: for why this crackdown is necessary, he notes, anarchists and

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Speaker 1: left wing extremists have sought to advance a fringe ideology

872
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Speaker 1: that paints the United States of America is fundamentally unjustined

873
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: have sought to impose that ideology and Americans through violence

874
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: and mob intimidations. Uh. And then he goes on to

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Speaker 1: list things that these anarchists and left wing extremists have

876
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: done as including killed an assaulted government officers as well

877
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: as business owners defending their property. That does not happened.

878
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 1: Not a single, not a single case of this has happened. Uh. Now,

879
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: some right wing extremists have absolutely murdered some cops uh.

880
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: And some right wing extremists have driven into crowds, recently

881
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: killing a person in Seattle, UM. But no left wing

882
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: anarchists have murdered cops or business owners during this UM.

883
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: But that's one of the justifications for like why federal

884
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: agencies not. So it's not only that like federal law

885
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: enforcement and is going to like go after anyone who

886
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: sucks up any kind of monument it um. But Trump

887
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: announces in this that if city and state governments don't

888
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: protect public monuments, memorials, and statues from destruction in vandalism, um,

889
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: the federal government will withhold federal support from state and

890
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: local law enforcement agencies. Um. So they're threatening state and

891
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: local governments with pulling federal dollars away from law enforcement

892
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: if those governments don't protect not just actual like monuments

893
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: that are government property of some sort, but just statues

894
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: in general. Yeah, so that's some problem. I would say,

895
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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not in love with this, But it's

896
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: also like I think the president kind of knows any

897
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: At this point, the court battle over whether or not

898
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: this is even legal um won't be settled before the election,

899
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: and it might know and it doesn't matter. He can

900
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: just say something. He will just say it, and it

901
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if there's truth to it or if anything

902
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: he's or if said he says has merits. It's just

903
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: something he gets to say and people. Yeah, maybe presidents

904
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to do executive orders. Maybe maybe not.

905
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: I believe he railed against executive orders when the president

906
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Speaker 1: was Obama. I believe, I believe. I know that for

907
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: a fact. So like when there's like a president, you

908
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: like what they do with their powers good. When there's

909
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: a president you don't like, it's bad. Um, but presidents

910
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: are still good. Like that we have them. Is that

911
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: we're landing on, Like maybe like maybe we should just

912
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: not get rid of like not have presidents. It seems maybe, yeah,

913
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: that I would be okay with that. Or statues also,

914
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: let's get rid of them too, yeah, statues of anything. Ever,

915
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: So I don't know either. This is this is where

916
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: we are, This is where I am, um, I and

917
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: like there's so much I want to say, and part

918
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: of why it's kind of hard for me to put

919
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: this together. I'm trying to put together an article on

920
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: it and writing is really I find that after one

921
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: of these nights when it's like a serious, when it's

922
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: a when it it goes out like this, because it

923
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: will usually be sometimes six seven straight hours of violence, Um,

924
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: it's like a good forty eight to seventy two hours

925
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: before it's like actually I can actually write again. I

926
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: can put that too, um and not just right about um,

927
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: not just right about police violence, but like write about

928
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: anything like it's like it's it's it's physically difficult to

929
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: like focus my brain, which is part of why I'm

930
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: not out as often as because I have jobs to

931
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: do and they require me being able to write. Um. Yeah, yeah,

932
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, You've mentioned this a couple of times,

933
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: but uh, yeah, the toll on mental health and physical

934
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: well being with this kind of extended yeah, trauma, Uh,

935
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: it is very real. Uh. And it makes sense that

936
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: you have a hard time sitting down to write and

937
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: we're going anything. I mean, I think people are experiencing

938
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: that anyway right now. Uh. And this is is amplifies that. Yeah,

939
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: and it's I it's not normally it's not normally a

940
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: problem from me. I've i've like so for an idea

941
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: of just like the severity of this again, I've I've

942
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: covered real fucking worse and and this, um, this is

943
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: this is fucking me up. Um And it's not as bad.

944
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: Obviously no one has died, so clearly it is not

945
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: as bad. But in terms of the actual the physical

946
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: shock to the system. Um, you know, I'm interested in

947
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: what's actually happening to our brains from the sheer repeated

948
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: exposure to things like flash bangs at very that are

949
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: not meant to be fired into groups of people at

950
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, at close range. Because one thing they found

951
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: from my soldiers in Iraq and stuff just from like

952
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: shooting the heavier weaponry rockets and stuff. Um, if you

953
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: do that enough, it does have it. It It causes

954
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: some like CTE like symptoms um And obviously again nothing

955
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: that we're being exposed to is quite that powerful, but

956
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: there's also so much of it. I wouldn't be surprised

957
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: if there is. I don't know what's happening to us basically,

958
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: and like that with all of these munitions. Even the

959
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: smoke that they like, the non tear gas smoke is

960
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: carcinogenic and you're breathing clouds of it. Like there's so

961
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: much ship that is being pumped into crowds that we

962
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: don't have any data on the long term effects of.

963
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: I mean also the tear gas. I don't know what

964
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: the studies are into it, but it's looking like it's

965
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: not great. You well, but tear gas specifically on women

966
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: and menstruation um and and what it does to your

967
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: body uh and affects your menstruation or if somebody happens

968
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: to be with child and all of that. Yeah. Yeah, Um,

969
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: there's a I yeah, there's a lot of research that

970
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: still needs to be done on how this ship is

971
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: affecting people. Um, before you shoot it on people. Yeah,

972
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: maybe before you shoot it on people. I don't know.

973
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit of a not firing things into

974
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: crowds of people that we don't know how will affect

975
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: those crowds of people. Also, especially if like crowds at

976
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: their homes basically like this is their neighborhood. Yeah. Just

977
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: you like you're talking about like you've been you've been

978
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: war zones and stuff like that. Um, that was there's

979
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: something to be said about like the effect the psychological

980
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: effects something like that has on I'm going here to

981
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: cover this versus I'm going down the street from my

982
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: home to cover this. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like I'm

983
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: almost at a loss just because like it's it's it's

984
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: got you know. One of the things that's sucked it

985
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: up is that it's hard to talk about anything else.

986
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: It's hard to like maintain my relationships. Um, it's hard

987
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: to like be a person. Um. And like everyone I

988
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: know who's covering this is kind of deal with that

989
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: same problem. And like, I also feel kind of bad

990
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: about focusing on the journalist because this is obviously I

991
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: have great sympathy for the protesters, and they're all dealing

992
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: with in some ways an even worse version of this

993
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: because they don't have even the minimal protections the press enjoy. UM.

994
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 1: But it's just that's the crew I know the best,

995
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: right like part of you know, partly for their own protection.

996
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: I don't spend a huge amount of time talking to

997
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: individual protesters at these events because I don't know who

998
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: the fox monitoring my ship and I don't want to

999
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: like expose people to stuff. But I I talked to

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Speaker 1: all the journalists a lot, so you know, they're the

1001
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 1: ones that I have the most detailed conversations about mental

1002
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: health with um, and like we're all funked up at

1003
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Speaker 1: the moment um. It's not great. Well, we appreciate you

1004
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: and the work you're doing and are concerned for you,

1005
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: but no, you are doing important stuff. But yeah, it's

1006
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: it's complicated. Yeah m hm, well um, yeah, is that

1007
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: it for us today? I think that's it for us today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you again, Robert for doing all of this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're we're going to have in the in the notes

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Speaker 1: for this episode will have links to all of the

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00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 1: other Portland journalists that I recommend following if you want

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00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: to keep up on this. And they also all have

1013
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Speaker 1: donation cash apps and whatnot. You know, most of them

1014
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: are working independently, uh and and could use your money.

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Speaker 1: Um if you have extra two spare not made but

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00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: them will include all of their links. Um. And also

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Speaker 1: we will include a link to that article that um

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Speaker 1: my my stringers wrote about Trump's executive order. So yeah, okay,

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00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: check out all of those things you just mentioned. Also,

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Speaker 1: you can find us online at worst your pod, on

1021
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Speaker 1: Instagram and Twitter and you'll see us there to our handles.

1022
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: We don't need to push that, but you know, be cool, guys,

1023
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: be cool. If if you need to chill out and

1024
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: relax a little bit, maybe google a picture of Jay R.

1025
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: Bolsaaro clearly dying. Um, it's so good. He's just he is.

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Speaker 1: You might need to put some dates in there too,

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Speaker 1: because every man in the world, it's unbelievable. He already

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Speaker 1: had coronavirus. Oh, he's on his like third or fourth

1029
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: case of the rhona so far, just like completely depleted

1030
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: like it looks it looked like a balloon that has

1031
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: been let out like it's it's so unbelievable. Oh man, Yeah,

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