Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Report.
Speaker 2: And typically we start the show off James with celebratory
Speaker 2: happy feel Let's.
Speaker 1: Get everybody ready.
Speaker 2: But as you know, very well as all of us
Speaker 2: know by now, the February fourteenth Chiefs celebration was mired
Speaker 2: by a shooting that victimized twenty three people and left
Speaker 2: one person dead.
Speaker 1: Now we're recording this show early Thursday.
Speaker 2: Afternoon, so there could be updates to what I'm about
Speaker 2: to say before the show airs. But this is the
Speaker 2: latest from Kansas City Police Chief Stacy Graves that preliminary
Speaker 2: investigative finding shown that there was no nexus to terrorism
Speaker 2: or homegrown violent extremism. This appeared to be a dispute
Speaker 2: between several people that ended in gunfire.
Speaker 1: That's the last I'm talking.
Speaker 2: About these idiots who committed a horrible crime on innocent people.
Speaker 1: In the great city of Kansas City.
Speaker 2: During the overnight hours, we learned there were twenty three
Speaker 2: victims off yesterday's shooting. In one of our victims, Elizabeth Galvin,
Speaker 2: forty three years old, died. We're still learning about her,
Speaker 2: but no, she's beloved by many. To her friends and family,
Speaker 2: we are with you. We are working tirelessly to investigate
Speaker 2: her murder. The twenty two victims age reigned between eight
Speaker 2: and forty seven years old. At least half of our
Speaker 2: victims are under the age of sixteen. Again, that's Kansas
Speaker 2: City Police Chief Stacy Graves. Thursday, early in the afternoon,
Speaker 2: James You and Sherry Burris and our fantastic crew ken
Speaker 2: Field at O'Brien. A lot of our great camera people
Speaker 2: were there for NFL Network doing the coverage of the parade.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna turn it over to you here because
Speaker 2: it went from like the most celebratory of highs to
Speaker 2: something I'm sure nobody saw coming.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate that. Steve and Well said.
Speaker 4: What I want to get across here is a couple
Speaker 4: specific points. I've hosted this parade almost every single year
Speaker 4: I've been at a NFL network all the way back
Speaker 4: to twenty fifteen. I've done it in a variety of cities.
Speaker 4: It's one of my favorite assignments every year. I did
Speaker 4: the two previous ones in Kansas City and then I
Speaker 4: was able to do this one. I think people need
Speaker 4: to remember that this parade means so much to fan
Speaker 4: bases because so few people actually get to go to
Speaker 4: NFL games in person. So this celebration in each city
Speaker 4: a lot of times. For a lot of passionate fans,
Speaker 4: Steve is their only time to see their heroes, their
Speaker 4: favorite players in person. It is a huge deal for
Speaker 4: a lot of fans and a lot of families because
Speaker 4: school is usually canceled and you're allowed to go down
Speaker 4: as a family and celebrate your team's victory, right and
Speaker 4: you get an opportunity, we saw it during most of
Speaker 4: the parade on Wednesday, to maybe interact with these players,
Speaker 4: get a handshake, a fist bump, a you know, a
Speaker 4: selfie if you could. And people go all out for
Speaker 4: these things, you know, signs and camping out the night before.
Speaker 4: It is a big deal for a lot of fans.
Speaker 4: And I mentioned kids specifically because it's a big deal
Speaker 4: for kids. This is a core memory, or should be
Speaker 4: a core memory for a lot of kids with their families,
Speaker 4: and because of what happened yesterday to all of us
Speaker 4: that were there, this is sadly a core memory that
Speaker 4: is going to stick with a lot of children for
Speaker 4: all the wrong reasons. And that's the part that I
Speaker 4: keep thinking about after what transpired, and it's affecting anyone
Speaker 4: that was involved in any stretch, whether you were as
Speaker 4: Steve mentioned, twenty three people that are directly impacted with
Speaker 4: gunshot injuries, and one family has a member of their
Speaker 4: family and Liz not coming home. But then there's the
Speaker 4: people that are friends and family of those individuals, and
Speaker 4: then it extends to everybody that was there, everybody that
Speaker 4: was close, everybody, no matter how far you were away
Speaker 4: at the parade, it's impacting you one way or another,
Speaker 4: whether it's physically, whether it's mentally.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure where I stand mentally. Right now.
Speaker 4: We're about one hundred and fifty yards from where this
Speaker 4: transpired on our stage. We had as a team to
Speaker 4: hide under our stage together our entire production, until law enforcement,
Speaker 4: who was brilliant came and got us and kept us safe.
Speaker 4: But this isn't really about us there. This is about
Speaker 4: I think the young people. Steve that a lot of them,
Speaker 4: as you mentioned, were specifically impacted. But as we were
Speaker 4: trying to leave and so many of us are stuck there,
Speaker 4: We're in a parking garage that's somewhat secure, and I'm
Speaker 4: talking to a family in a truck and the mother's
Speaker 4: telling me how they were about fifteen yards from where
Speaker 4: this transpired. And she told me she jumped on top
Speaker 4: of her three boys, and her husband jumped on top
Speaker 4: of her just to keep these three boys safe. And
Speaker 4: I see them sitting in the backseat of this truck
Speaker 4: and they're in their Mahomes Jersey and they're Kelsey Jersey,
Speaker 4: and they're justin Reed Jersey. And I'm the only idiot
Speaker 4: in a suit there, Steve, So I stand out pretty
Speaker 4: pretty well. And one of these boys recognizes me from
Speaker 4: NFL Network, and they wanted to step out of the
Speaker 4: truck and take a picture. We're going nowhere in this
Speaker 4: parking garage, nobody can move, nobody can do anything, and
Speaker 4: we take a picture. And the only thing I'm thinking
Speaker 4: of is that these three kids memory of this parade
Speaker 4: is dramatically different than what they thought they were going
Speaker 4: to have when they went to Union Station. So I
Speaker 4: just looked at him and said, like, hey, you guys
Speaker 4: want to talk some football, Like you want to ask
Speaker 4: me anything about Pat, You want to ask me anything
Speaker 4: about Trav Like, let's talk some ball.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 4: My first thought, Steve, was, how do I change their
Speaker 4: memory of this or maybe distract them for just a moment.
Speaker 3: And try to do that.
Speaker 4: And so that's what sticks with me from being there,
Speaker 4: is that things like this and it's it's not the
Speaker 4: form to talk about my stance on anything, but things
Speaker 4: like this, when they happen, young people being affected, and
Speaker 4: we can't even imagine the number of ways they can be.
Speaker 3: So I'd like to move forward.
Speaker 4: I'd like to talk some football and hopefully distract some
Speaker 4: more people.
Speaker 3: From thinking about what happened.
Speaker 4: But we have to acknowledge it and acknowledge what transpired
Speaker 4: and that it still has an impact on a lot
Speaker 4: of people. And we'll continue to and we'll see how
Speaker 4: this shapes things moving forward. But I think we should
Speaker 4: we should talk some balls.
Speaker 2: Steve well JP, well done by you, and you talk
Speaker 2: about memories.
Speaker 1: They've got that photo with you, and that's going.
Speaker 2: To change some of the memories that may be traumatic
Speaker 2: to them and a lot of other people. So much
Speaker 2: respect to you, much respect to law enforcement, the medical enforcement,
Speaker 2: and those good Samaritans who helped apprehend the bad guys
Speaker 2: and help save the lives of so many JP. Again,
Speaker 2: well done. Also coming up on the show, we are
Speaker 2: going to have our draft analyst Lance zero line. But
Speaker 2: up next Terry Fonto, the Falcons general manager. You see
Speaker 2: him with his new coach, Rohie Morrison t president Greg Beatles.
Speaker 2: He's going to talk about the Falcons plans for the
Speaker 2: draft and possibly some trains coming up. That's after the
Speaker 2: break on the NFL Report.
Speaker 1: We'll de tate Belsie.
Speaker 3: This is coming home.
Speaker 5: And when you get a chance to go back home
Speaker 5: in this profession, it is extremely important and it is
Speaker 5: extremely critical to everybody involved. I can express the joy
Speaker 5: that I have right now to be able to come
Speaker 5: back and work with the Blanks, to be able to
Speaker 5: come back and work with all these people around me
Speaker 5: that I've been with for years. And I could talk
Speaker 5: about this for the rest of the press conference and
Speaker 5: I probably may bore you, but I don't know if
Speaker 5: you've ever been in the spot to coming back home,
Speaker 5: but this is certainly the best people in the world.
Speaker 2: We are back at the NFL Report and you just
Speaker 2: heard new Falcons head coach Raheem Morris at his introductory
Speaker 2: press conference and JP we are now joined by Falcons
Speaker 2: General manager Terry Fonteau, who was part of the committee
Speaker 2: that helped bring Raheem.
Speaker 1: Morris back to Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Terry, thanks so much for joining us, and let's get
Speaker 2: right to it, Terry, the decision to go with Raheem.
Speaker 1: I mean he's been in your building for a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks now.
Speaker 2: Just a feeling you have of bringing him back and
Speaker 2: you and him getting to work together for the first time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Steve James, first of all, appreciate y'all having me on.
Speaker 6: And before we get into football, I do want to
Speaker 6: acknowledge yesterday and let everyone in Kansas City know that
Speaker 6: down here in Atlanta, our thoughts and prayers are with them,
Speaker 6: with everyone that was affected by those tragic events. But
Speaker 6: to your question, very excited about Raheem, and it was.
Speaker 6: It was a thorough, detailed process with a lot of
Speaker 6: people involved. We talked to fourteen of the brighter minds
Speaker 6: in the NFL, including some veterans, some younger guys. But
Speaker 6: man Raheem really stick out throughout that whole process. His infectious,
Speaker 6: infectious positive energy, the football acumen he has. He he
Speaker 6: has a clear vision of what we're gonna do here,
Speaker 6: and he's a two time champion. He knows how we're
Speaker 6: going to get there. So it's been really fun working
Speaker 6: with him.
Speaker 4: Terry, appreciate your knowledging Kansas City off the top, classic move,
Speaker 4: appreciate it. What I'd like to pass us forward to
Speaker 4: is and once you hire a coach, once you have
Speaker 4: a staff, I don't know if people at home really
Speaker 4: know what goes on inside of a building. If you
Speaker 4: could kind of tell us kind of the process once
Speaker 4: that staff's in place, how both sides from evaluating what's
Speaker 4: happening in free agency and the upcoming draft and just
Speaker 4: the process from your side and the coaching staff side,
Speaker 4: how you maybe start mending it all together, and how
Speaker 4: you go about the next several weeks after Raheem is hired.
Speaker 6: Yeah, great question. We're right in the midst of that
Speaker 6: process right now. The first step is to really take
Speaker 6: a hard look at your roster. You really have to
Speaker 6: look internal. Before you go out and buy new clothes,
Speaker 6: you need to know what you have in your own closet.
Speaker 6: So that's what we're doing right now. And we're spending
Speaker 6: a lot of time with the coaches, and not only
Speaker 6: the new coaches, but the coaches that have been here,
Speaker 6: really going through our entire roster. And we'll spend time
Speaker 6: in those roster meetings in the coming weeks. And once
Speaker 6: you do that, you spend a lot of time with
Speaker 6: the coaches going through the specific profile and the details
Speaker 6: of the players that we're going to be bringing in.
Speaker 6: Spending time with the coaches and the scouts and getting
Speaker 6: the staff together in regards to what's going to be
Speaker 6: the profile of what a Falcon looks like in all
Speaker 6: three phases of the game. And from there we can
Speaker 6: devise the right plan and make sure we have the
Speaker 6: plan to attack free agency, to attack the draft in
Speaker 6: the right way. So it starts off with looking at
Speaker 6: your own players.
Speaker 2: But Terry, you've been part of the process of building
Speaker 2: this roster for the past few years, and there is
Speaker 2: no denying there is a tremendous amount of talent on
Speaker 2: both sides of the ball. I mean, you really got
Speaker 2: big on defensive free agency last year. You've drafted big
Speaker 2: at the skill positions on offense. But the big question
Speaker 2: is the quarterback. I mean, I've been told the people
Speaker 2: in your organization, you guys planned to be very aggressive
Speaker 2: to get the quarterback that you need. What does that mean?
Speaker 2: Does that mean trading up? Does that mean going into
Speaker 2: free agency? What exactly does that mean?
Speaker 7: Yeah, we won't close any door.
Speaker 6: Steve You're right, that's the top priority for us this offseason,
Speaker 6: and it's exciting again not only people that have been
Speaker 6: in the building, but people outside the building from Raheem
Speaker 6: and Zach tj Yates, Ken Zampz, DJ Williams. We have
Speaker 6: a lot of really smart people in the building. We're
Speaker 6: going to spend a lot of time together make sure
Speaker 6: we attack that the right way. We're not going to
Speaker 6: close any doors, be it trades, free agency, the draft.
Speaker 6: We'll make sure we keep an open mind there and
Speaker 6: we're going to attack it and make sure we get
Speaker 6: it right.
Speaker 3: Terry mentioned the draft. You're sitting there at eight.
Speaker 4: A quarterback could be in play there to day you
Speaker 4: may feel the decision has to be made that you
Speaker 4: need to move up. This is kind of what you
Speaker 4: can tell with this question as well. What I'm fascinated with.
Speaker 4: How do those conversations kind of start with other teams.
Speaker 4: What's the pacing I guess in terms of the conversations
Speaker 4: you would maybe have just to feel it out, And
Speaker 4: when do those really around the NFL start heating up.
Speaker 6: Well, you're right, I'm actually sitting right outside. We're right
Speaker 6: in the midst of our February draft meetings. Our area
Speaker 6: scouts are in town, and we have a lot of
Speaker 6: stuff going on simultaneous to getting ready to get with
Speaker 6: the coaches and work with our roster. We're also going
Speaker 6: through our draft meetings right now, just with the scouts.
Speaker 7: So this is the.
Speaker 6: Phase where you're just meeting about with the scouts and
Speaker 6: then we get the coaches involved and then we get
Speaker 6: into the combine and all that stuff.
Speaker 7: But it's really fun.
Speaker 6: And I'll tell you what, it's a really strong draft,
Speaker 6: not just a quarterback, but a lot of positions.
Speaker 7: So that's really fun.
Speaker 6: To your question, talking about that communication, you keep that
Speaker 6: open line and you start talking right now, just touching
Speaker 6: base with because you have some some gms that were
Speaker 6: just put in place in some areas, so you make
Speaker 6: sure you have that line of communication open. You spend
Speaker 6: time at the combine and so we're always talking about everything.
Speaker 6: We're very open to communicate. But it's gonna be a
Speaker 6: fun year because I would say it's a very strong draft.
Speaker 8: Terry.
Speaker 2: I know you're not gonna give me an exact answer
Speaker 2: on this, and I would expect any I asked question
Speaker 2: sometimes to get him.
Speaker 7: Right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, well let's go there.
Speaker 2: Then the one player, hey, the one player who continues
Speaker 2: to be linked to you via trade potential trade conversations
Speaker 2: is Justin Fields out of Chicago.
Speaker 1: He's from Atlanta.
Speaker 2: But you had an opportunity to draft him a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago, and you decided not to. Can a
Speaker 2: player like Justin Field show enough evolution in the first
Speaker 2: couple of years of his career, and like you said,
Speaker 2: you now have a coach change or maybe there's a
Speaker 2: different philosophy to make you change your mind about going
Speaker 2: and getting a player like him.
Speaker 7: Now, I gave you too much credit.
Speaker 1: You know, I knew it.
Speaker 7: I answer that question, Steve, I'm gonna get a call.
Speaker 6: My cell phone's right there, and Ken Fiora is gonna
Speaker 6: call me right away, and we're gonna be We're gonna
Speaker 6: have tampering and I'm talking about how excited we were
Speaker 6: about this draft.
Speaker 7: We're gonna lose a draft pick if I answer that question.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, But what I'm saying is, but what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is can.
Speaker 2: A player then But can a player then who maybe
Speaker 2: that you didn't select in a draft.
Speaker 3: You have an a particular point.
Speaker 2: Can they evolve over a couple of years, you're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this player is better than what I thought and he
Speaker 2: fits what we're trying to do. And it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: to you out in your quarterback, But can a player
Speaker 2: showed that type of growth as to where you really
Speaker 2: get sweet on him so to speak?
Speaker 6: No, that that is a that's an outstanding question, and
Speaker 6: that's why you do. You evaluate players at every point
Speaker 6: in their career. And that's why it's so critical as
Speaker 6: we go through for a agency and again possible trades,
Speaker 6: we're evaluating every player. You're never going to look at
Speaker 6: a report from last year or the year before. We're
Speaker 6: going to look at the evolution of the players. And
Speaker 6: so yes, it's answer your question. Your question, it is
Speaker 6: we have to be detailed and evaluate players in every phase.
Speaker 7: Look, it's the same way with people.
Speaker 6: You can have someone that you know, you knew at
Speaker 6: a certain point in their career as a coach, and
Speaker 6: then now three or four years later, Okay, were they
Speaker 6: at this point in their career? We all grow and adapt, So,
Speaker 6: speaking in general about any player that we have to
Speaker 6: make sure we have recent reports and know where they
Speaker 6: are at this point in their careers.
Speaker 4: Terry, I love that in terms of growth and adapting,
Speaker 4: and everybody has a different opinion on every player, right,
Speaker 4: and that's what you're trying to do in the room
Speaker 4: and see what everybody has to say. So there was
Speaker 4: a lot of talk with how you guys were going
Speaker 4: to use b Jon Robinson taking them where you took
Speaker 4: him a year ago. I'm just curious what Raheem's conversation
Speaker 4: with you is like when he came in going this
Speaker 4: is what I may.
Speaker 3: Bee envision for a back like that.
Speaker 4: Have you guys kind of talked about his evolution going
Speaker 4: into year two.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're still working through that and that's a part
Speaker 6: of going through the process and going through our players
Speaker 6: and spending time with the staffs. What I'm excited about
Speaker 6: with this staff is from uh from where we're talking
Speaker 6: about Zach or Jimmy or Marquise who has been here,
Speaker 6: is we do we have some really smart coaches that
Speaker 6: are always learning and adapting in their open minded So
Speaker 6: we'll have specific things that we want to do, but
Speaker 6: we're going to make it fit our players and make
Speaker 6: sure the scheme fits our players, and we're going to
Speaker 6: go out and add some more guys. So I'm very
Speaker 6: excited about this staff here because I know we're going
Speaker 6: to get the most out of every player on this roster.
Speaker 6: We're going to go out and find some more and
Speaker 6: make sure we're ready to roll this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you got the old line. You know
Speaker 1: you got the running backs to pound the ball. But Terry,
Speaker 1: you know you talk about.
Speaker 2: You're evaluating some things with your area scoles and whatnot.
Speaker 2: But just maybe if you can just tell us about
Speaker 2: the overall depth and talent at the quarterback spot of
Speaker 2: the prospects entering this year's draft.
Speaker 6: Yeah, good, good depth, no doubt. There's some really good
Speaker 6: players and some different flavors. So there's different types of
Speaker 6: quarterbacks that can do some different things. And again we're
Speaker 6: going through that process right now, just with the scouts initially.
Speaker 6: Then we get the coaches involved, and like I said,
Speaker 6: we have some really uh smart coaches, some really good
Speaker 6: guys that I'm excited to really attack that with. So
Speaker 6: we know what we're looking for specifically. But it's a
Speaker 6: really good group of quarterbacks this year, not only in
Speaker 6: the draft, but like I said, free agency via trade,
Speaker 6: there's some really talented players available and we're excited to
Speaker 6: attack that.
Speaker 4: I will have you on further, Terry, to talk about
Speaker 4: in depth about those specific free agents.
Speaker 3: Maybe never mind, we won't do that. Don't worry, we
Speaker 3: won't put you there.
Speaker 1: With the drafts A great answer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's gonna tell me to ask the question
Speaker 4: and then he's gonna say, well, okay, well we can't
Speaker 4: get Tyler to there.
Speaker 3: A stick with the draft.
Speaker 4: Another spot, looking at your defense, Terry, looking at your TV,
Speaker 4: I'm looking at at at the edge spot.
Speaker 3: What what do you see out of this class?
Speaker 4: Is this maybe a class where there's, you know, some
Speaker 4: years it's there's a couple at the top and then
Speaker 4: there's almost maybe sometimes a gap before you hit the
Speaker 4: next bunch. Is this one that you can find guys
Speaker 4: in different rounds that can rush the passer from the outside.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there is.
Speaker 6: There are some really exciting guys at the top, like
Speaker 6: you said, but also there's there's depth throughout and there's
Speaker 6: there's really good players throughout the entire draft. And I
Speaker 6: have a lot of confidence in our staff. I know
Speaker 6: we'll find those players through off the draft.
Speaker 7: But it is.
Speaker 6: It's it's strong in that area regarding the pressure players.
Speaker 6: But this is draft overall, it's going to be a
Speaker 6: really fun year. It's an exciting year, and we got
Speaker 6: a couple of extra draft picks this year. I'm excited
Speaker 6: about that because it's a very deep draft and there
Speaker 6: are definitely some pressure players, not just the edge guys,
Speaker 6: the outside backers, some there's some interior pressure players.
Speaker 3: So it's exciting going into.
Speaker 2: Your fourth year now in this position. What are some
Speaker 2: of the key things that you've learned.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think anytime kind of what we've talked about
Speaker 6: where you can get people at different phases of their career,
Speaker 6: and the key is to continue to learn and always.
Speaker 6: Guy gave us one mouth and two ears for a reason,
Speaker 6: because we always need to be learning and listening and evolving.
Speaker 6: Every year is going to be different. But I think
Speaker 6: specifically sitting in this seat, you need to make sure
Speaker 6: you surround yourself with really smart people and listen to
Speaker 6: and learn from them. And that's what I'm always trying
Speaker 6: to do, and I know the people around us are
Speaker 6: always trying to continue to learn, continue to adapt because
Speaker 6: every year is going to be different.
Speaker 4: Awesome Terry fin no Falcons GM joining us on the
Speaker 4: NFL Report. Steve he wants to keep all these draft
Speaker 4: picks by the way, So he's going to watch what
Speaker 4: he says on our show to make sure he gets
Speaker 4: to capitalize on how.
Speaker 3: Deep this draft is.
Speaker 4: And we're excited to keep an eye on you guys
Speaker 4: down there in Atlanta. To Terry, I mean, you're a
Speaker 4: fascinated team to watch this offseason with everything that you
Speaker 4: guys have already and we're looking forward to what you're doing.
Speaker 4: So thank you so much for joining Steve and I
Speaker 4: on the NFL Report.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it.
Speaker 7: Thanks, guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Coming up, we're going to talk to some defensive coordinators
Speaker 4: and that man right there has won four Super Bowl rings,
Speaker 4: Steve Spagnolo, fresh off of a new contract to stay
Speaker 4: in Kansas City. What has he done right and what
Speaker 4: does some other ones need to do to do the
Speaker 4: same thing Spags has done.
Speaker 3: More of that coming up on the NFL Report.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the NFL Report, James Palmer, Steve which
Speaker 4: with you. The big news on Wednesday was that the
Speaker 4: forty nine Ers fired defensive coordinator Steve Wilkes after just
Speaker 4: one season, and Steve, we have had turnover at the
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator spot in San Francisco because they just all
Speaker 4: keep getting.
Speaker 3: Head coaching jobs.
Speaker 4: It was Robert Sala who was there, and then it
Speaker 4: was Demiko Ryans who picked up where Sala left off,
Speaker 4: and then they bring in Steve Wilkes. What I'm curious
Speaker 4: most about is you pose this question to me, and
Speaker 4: now I pose it to you. If they win Super
Speaker 4: Bowl fifty eight and they take a Vintombardi Trophy back
Speaker 4: to the Bay Area, is Steve Wilkes still the head coach,
Speaker 4: still the coordinator a defensive coordinator for this team in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four?
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, look, I am not saying this decision
Speaker 2: came solely off of one game, but it would be
Speaker 2: very hard to justify the firing of a defensive coordinator
Speaker 2: whose defense had been pretty good most of the season.
Speaker 2: Now it wasn't he had to measure himself up against
Speaker 2: Robert Sala and Demiko Ryans. There were points a season
Speaker 2: where this Niners defense was not as great or as
Speaker 2: dominant as those teams, especially in the playoffs and especially against.
Speaker 1: The run, where they were once impenetrable.
Speaker 2: But they played a Super Bowl game where they lost
Speaker 2: their best their second best defensive player in Drake green Law,
Speaker 2: or their third best defensive player. Let's not forget they
Speaker 2: did not have Pro Bowl safety Tallano Hufonga for almost
Speaker 2: the entire season, so there was a lot of shifting
Speaker 2: going on with this defense at points, but there also
Speaker 2: seemed to be some issues along the way. Remember Kyle
Speaker 2: Shanahan said Steve, come down from the booth and get
Speaker 2: on the sideline. So Wilkes came down to the sideline
Speaker 2: and things seemed to turn around briefly, well I won't
Speaker 2: say briefly. Things seemed to turn around. Something get better
Speaker 2: from that point on. So again, there's gotta be more
Speaker 2: to this, something that's been brewing all along. But I
Speaker 2: still think if they win the Super Bowl, Steve Wilkes
Speaker 2: would still be the defensive coordinator for the forty nine
Speaker 2: ers because then they could take all off seas and
Speaker 2: they say let's work on some of these things that
Speaker 2: I didn't think went quite right in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Three, I think exactly right.
Speaker 4: See this is one year and Kyle Shanahan said repeatedly
Speaker 4: that there wasn't a lack of effort by Steve Wilks.
Speaker 3: Trying to make all of this work.
Speaker 4: And when I say trying to make all of this work,
Speaker 4: it's because it's a system that they wanted to keep
Speaker 4: in place that has been there and built for the
Speaker 4: personnel that they have.
Speaker 3: It was run by Solid, was run by Demiko Rans.
Speaker 4: They didn't really have a strong in house candidate that
Speaker 4: could have replaced Demko, And essentially you put Steve Wilks
Speaker 4: in a position where he's running a system that wasn't
Speaker 4: essentially one he's very familiar with, but you wanted to
Speaker 4: keep the continuity for your team, and I understand that
Speaker 4: as well. So maybe some more time would have actually
Speaker 4: helped Wilkes in a sense. But I think also being
Speaker 4: the escapegoat can also happen at the exact same time,
Speaker 4: because I do think we live in a world of
Speaker 4: recency bias, and this defense was not at its best
Speaker 4: in the most recent of games. You mentioned what happened
Speaker 4: with them against the run during the postseason.
Speaker 3: It didn't just fall off, it dropped off a cliff.
Speaker 9: Ye.
Speaker 4: I mean they were third in the NFL against the
Speaker 4: run during the season, and they more than doubled that.
Speaker 4: I think it was almost seventy yards a game. They
Speaker 4: were giving up more during the postseason than they were
Speaker 4: during the regular season. And you don't think Kyle Shannan
Speaker 4: doesn't forget that those are the last several games that
Speaker 4: they played. And then when you look at also comments
Speaker 4: that certain players make you hear Nick bos To say
Speaker 4: after the game, we were not prepared for Patrick.
Speaker 3: Mahomes to be using his legs.
Speaker 4: That's not a great comment you want coming out of
Speaker 4: the sal for your defensive coordinator. And the other aspect
Speaker 4: of it is Steve Wooks is brilliant working with the
Speaker 4: secondary and great back there. This team is built off
Speaker 4: of its front seven. It has been for a long time,
Speaker 4: so I think there was that aspect as well. This
Speaker 4: seemed like a difficult decision for Kyle Shanahan, but he
Speaker 4: said it had to be made. I'm not sure where
Speaker 4: they go from here though.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: And that's the other part that I'm I'm kind of
Speaker 4: fascinated by with because this is very late now in
Speaker 4: terms of making a higher.
Speaker 2: Brandon Daley's out there brandis Daley's out there, and he
Speaker 2: comes to that from that Sean McVay Vic Fangio type
Speaker 2: of system that's kind of similar to.
Speaker 1: What they like to do.
Speaker 2: Well, JP, let's go to the other side and not
Speaker 2: a coach getting let go, but a.
Speaker 1: Coach being retained. Kid's hitty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, signed DC Steve Spagnolo to a well deserved contract extension.
Speaker 2: We talked to Spags on the podcast the end of
Speaker 2: podcast while we're at super Bowl? What about Spag getting
Speaker 2: taken care of?
Speaker 3: I think this is just, you know, so much of this.
Speaker 4: You know, two weeks, Steve, we've been out in you know,
Speaker 4: covering the Super Bowl and then out in Vegas and
Speaker 4: it's is Andy Reid going to retire? Is Andy Reid
Speaker 4: going to retire? Well that was solidified, right, Andy Reid's
Speaker 4: going nowhere. And this is a big part of why
Speaker 4: Andy Reid's going nowhere. He literally does not have to
Speaker 4: worry about half his football team right because he has
Speaker 4: Steve Spagnola running that entire defense. I mean, the faith
Speaker 4: and trust that this team has in that man right
Speaker 4: there is remarkable.
Speaker 3: I mean, second to none.
Speaker 4: There are guys that have told me, Steve, if Spags
Speaker 4: isn't here, I'm not sure I want to even play
Speaker 4: here anymore. And this is one of the best organizations
Speaker 4: in football. That's the way that's not ant to Kansas City.
Speaker 4: That's a feather in the cap of Steve Spagnola. When
Speaker 4: the parade was going on during the speeches and Justin
Speaker 4: Reid came out and said, I hope everybody here knows
Speaker 4: that Spag's got a contract.
Speaker 3: Extension this morning.
Speaker 4: It was the roar was just as loud as it
Speaker 4: was when Patrick Mahomes got introduced or Travis Kelcey. That's
Speaker 4: the way everybody in Kansas City acknowledges what Spagnola can do.
Speaker 4: And I think this is only going to continue, Steve,
Speaker 4: because these are young players that have been drafted into
Speaker 4: this system and only continue to become more intelligent in
Speaker 4: what he wants him to do and allows him to
Speaker 4: make even more and more adjustments, which makes his defense.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the other thing Steve Spagnolo likes.
Speaker 2: So many chiefs assistant coaches are kind of the victims,
Speaker 2: so to speak, of the team's success.
Speaker 1: Very few coaches under Andy Raid.
Speaker 2: Have left because they're playing in so many Super Bowls.
Speaker 2: Look at how long it took for Eric b Enemy
Speaker 2: to have to go someplace else. Andy Reid has lost
Speaker 2: very few of his assistants and that coaching continuity again
Speaker 2: because a lot of times his teams are playing deep
Speaker 2: into the playoffs. That works against some guys trying to
Speaker 2: get coaching opportunities or coordinator opportunities because those teams with
Speaker 2: vacancies tend to make the HighRes before the.
Speaker 1: Super Bowl is played.
Speaker 2: So that has benefited the Andy Reid and the leadership
Speaker 2: there to be able to retain people likes bags because
Speaker 2: of their successes a JP. Now let's go to one
Speaker 2: more defensive coordinator move, and that is down in Dallas, where,
Speaker 2: of course Dan Quinn, the former defensive coordinator left to
Speaker 2: become the head coach of the Commanders, and Jerry Jones
Speaker 2: and Mike McCarthy go way back into the Cowboys time
Speaker 2: machine and they bring in Mike Zimmer to be the
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator. Remember, Zimmer was a secondary coach with some
Speaker 2: of those Super Bowl teams that Dallas had back in
Speaker 2: the nineties. Now he's basically back on with a head coach.
Speaker 2: He's got one year to prove he needs to get
Speaker 2: an extension.
Speaker 4: That's a great point. I mean, dan Quinn had this
Speaker 4: defense in a good spot. Let's just I will kind
Speaker 4: of put it that way. What led the NFL and
Speaker 4: takeaways in twenty one and twenty two, top five scoring
Speaker 4: defense in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three. What
Speaker 4: my main focus, Steve is what does Mike Zimmer come
Speaker 4: in and do in developing a relationship with Micah Parsons
Speaker 4: Because I think we talked about this on the show
Speaker 4: mid season when I had a long conversation with dan
Speaker 4: Quinn in the lengths that he went to find ways
Speaker 4: for Micah Parsons to be comfortable, find ways for him
Speaker 4: to play at the highest level possible, to find new
Speaker 4: ways to use him in new ways for him to
Speaker 4: be effective, and develop their relationship together. That was a
Speaker 4: huge part of being, you know, the defensive coordinator of
Speaker 4: a player that is so unique as Micah Parsons. I
Speaker 4: think that's the first thing that Mike Zimmer has to
Speaker 4: do is make sure that that's intact, because that could.
Speaker 3: Be who knows, volatile if you will, but.
Speaker 1: Also, it's kind of right.
Speaker 4: I am the linebacker position as well. That is a
Speaker 4: spot that I think you want to talk about, and
Speaker 4: that is a spot that remember we have a converted
Speaker 4: safety playing linebacker. Now listen, there were injuries, there were
Speaker 4: things like that, but I think Zimmer is focused on
Speaker 4: that position. On the defensive line needs to be a
Speaker 4: focal point as well. But I think there can't be
Speaker 4: a drop off in the in the aspects that I mentioned,
Speaker 4: and there needs to be maybe an increase in certain
Speaker 4: things like penalties, which this team is one of the
Speaker 4: more penalized defenses in football the last couple of years.
Speaker 4: How do you change that and remain aggressive? He says
Speaker 4: he doesn't want to, you know, remain the wheel entirely, Steve.
Speaker 4: But what do you see Zim coming in and doing
Speaker 4: on this defense?
Speaker 2: Well, first, the bigger, the biggest thing, and we know
Speaker 2: this is the personalities. Dan Quinn was the dude, Like
Speaker 2: everyone you talk to in Dallas will tell you on
Speaker 2: both sides of the ball that Quinn was the most
Speaker 2: relatable dude on.
Speaker 1: That coaching staff. That's who they all kind of flowed to.
Speaker 2: His energy was what they kind of trickled down and
Speaker 2: built off of Mike Zimmer is not dan Quinn. Mike
Speaker 2: Zimmer is an old school, in your face coach. He
Speaker 2: is a curmudgeon. He will tell you that, but I
Speaker 2: think the players, once they kind of get beyond that,
Speaker 2: understand how great of a coach he is. I have
Speaker 2: been around Zim for a long time, from when he
Speaker 2: was a defensive coordinator with the Falcons, when he went
Speaker 2: to be the DC in Cincinnati, and when he went
Speaker 2: to Minnesota. And the one thing you'll notice there speaking
Speaker 2: about the Micah Parsons is there's always one player who
Speaker 2: he gets to just dominate. It was Michael Bowley, an
Speaker 2: outside linebacker in Atlanta who always had the most press
Speaker 2: the stat sheets of any player. At the end of
Speaker 2: the season, he goes to Cincinnati. Vontes Perfect, an inside linebacker,
Speaker 2: turned out to be one of the better players.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Steelers fans don't want to hear anything about Vonte's perfect,
Speaker 2: but turned out to be one of the better players
Speaker 2: in that year after year.
Speaker 1: Then he goes to Minnesota.
Speaker 2: You guys guys like Anthony Barr, right, guys who can flex.
Speaker 2: But you you talked about linebackers at second level, player
Speaker 2: who can do things. And we know Zimmer is a
Speaker 2: great secondary coach.
Speaker 1: That is his strength.
Speaker 2: But he likes to play a lot of that cover
Speaker 2: two type coverage, So we'll see if he kind of
Speaker 2: puts that in.
Speaker 1: To what the Cowboys like to do.
Speaker 2: All right, JP, we talked about the defensive coordinators, but
Speaker 2: coming up, we're gonna talk about some of the guys
Speaker 2: coming into this year's draft.
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Speaker 1: JP.
Speaker 2: And now we're joined by our draft analyst lambs On,
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Speaker 2: right here, explain this to me like we're kindergarteners.
Speaker 1: Right, We've been immersed in Super Bowl covers.
Speaker 2: We've been immersed in the NFL's When it comes to
Speaker 2: draft prospects, we know nothing.
Speaker 1: Okay, and let's start with the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: And we're all assuming that Caleb Williams out of USC
Speaker 2: is gonna be the top pick, if the Bears hold
Speaker 2: the pick, or else whoever comes up to get the pick.
Speaker 2: What can you tell us about Caleb Williams as to
Speaker 2: why he's deserving of the top spot.
Speaker 9: Well, I think with Caleb Williams, it's kind of interesting
Speaker 9: because from a physical standpoint, he's kind of average sized,
Speaker 9: decent size.
Speaker 8: His arm talent's really really good.
Speaker 9: I think if you watch tape this year, it's a
Speaker 9: little uneven, frankly, and it's because he tried to play
Speaker 9: a lot of hero ball. He wasn't surrounded with a
Speaker 9: great offensive line. He had pressure on him a lot,
Speaker 9: and I think he developed some bad habits. But when
Speaker 9: things are right and he's in rhythm, man, he is terrific.
Speaker 9: I mean it comes out of his hand a little differently.
Speaker 9: He's got the ability to make the improvisational throws as
Speaker 9: you just saw right there.
Speaker 8: And let's face it, when you look at Pat.
Speaker 9: Mahomes the guy who's been the most consistently excellent quarterback
Speaker 9: outside of Tom Brady over the last several years, or
Speaker 9: if you want to even talk about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 8: Things that those two guys can do.
Speaker 9: They've got good arm talent and they get outside of
Speaker 9: the pocket extend to make big plays. And I think
Speaker 9: that's what gets people the most excited about Caleb Williams.
Speaker 8: So what you've got with Kayleb Williams is a guy
Speaker 8: who I think is going to go first. I think
Speaker 8: he is going to go to the Bears.
Speaker 9: It'll allow them to he set that clock for rookie
Speaker 9: contract and really hit reset on a quarterback that they
Speaker 9: feel like might be a better passer there in the
Speaker 9: in the Chicago area. So of this quarterback class, you know,
Speaker 9: is he the best player in this in this class?
Speaker 8: I don't know if.
Speaker 3: He's the best.
Speaker 9: I rarely have quarterback at the very top of the list.
Speaker 9: Is he the best quarterback? I think he's definitely the
Speaker 9: best quarterback Steve, and that's that's why he's going to
Speaker 9: go first. The upside, the potential, the background of productivity,
Speaker 9: it really checks out checks a lot of boxes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Lance We had Ian Rappaport on the show earlier
Speaker 4: this week and he kind of said similar things to
Speaker 4: the Bears most likely staying at that number one spot.
Speaker 4: Taking Kayleb Williams is going to take a massive haul
Speaker 4: for anybody to come up there and try to take
Speaker 4: that number one spot away from them. And I look
Speaker 4: at you know, Ryan Poles running the show. There was
Speaker 4: with Patrick Mahomes for five years in Kansas City. If
Speaker 4: anybody want to make the comp I would assume Ryan
Speaker 4: Poles has enough intel being with Patrick Mahomes day in
Speaker 4: and day out to make a very educated opinion about
Speaker 4: some of the comparisons we are seeing out there. What
Speaker 4: about the system staying in Chicago? Shane Waldron comes in
Speaker 4: disciple of McVeigh. Is this a solid fit for when
Speaker 4: you evaluate Caleb Williams's strengths that this would be a
Speaker 4: system he would flourish in lance.
Speaker 8: That's a great question. You know it can be if
Speaker 8: Caleb will let it be.
Speaker 9: And what I mean by that is, as I mentioned previously,
Speaker 9: Caleb will take some things off.
Speaker 8: Schedule that don't need to go off schedule.
Speaker 9: So I think it's going to be really having the
Speaker 9: offensive coordinator drill down on this is when we extend
Speaker 9: and take chances. This is when the ball needs to
Speaker 9: come out to option number two or option number three,
Speaker 9: we go move on to the next play. It doesn't
Speaker 9: have to be hero ball on the next level. And
Speaker 9: you've got some targets over there in Chicago, and of
Speaker 9: course they've got draft capital, they've got free agent money.
Speaker 9: They're going to build something around Caleb Williams. And and I
Speaker 9: think the number nine pick could easily end up being
Speaker 9: a wide receiver as well, or they could move up
Speaker 9: and target one of the top three wide receivers in
Speaker 9: this draft. So I think it could be a really
Speaker 9: good offense for him because he has the ability to
Speaker 9: play in rhythm and the offense you're talking about the
Speaker 9: schedule is.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's playing on schedule, it's playing a rhythm.
Speaker 9: It's kind of levels passing attack where you make a
Speaker 9: simple read and then you throw a the accuracy in touch.
Speaker 8: It could be a really great offense for Caleb Williams.
Speaker 9: It's just a matter of will he stay inside the
Speaker 9: structure of that offense and showed the discipline that he's
Speaker 9: kind of lacked over the last year and a half
Speaker 9: when he felt like he had to carry the team
Speaker 9: because frankly, he did have to carry his team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when we saw him in Oklahoma, though we saw
Speaker 2: him play on schedule.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was the thing.
Speaker 2: That's why I say, you know, when you talk about
Speaker 2: him with the bad habits, just because of the USC,
Speaker 2: he's scoring forty points a game, but he knows he
Speaker 2: had to score forty.
Speaker 1: Eight to win. So that's when you talk about I
Speaker 1: don't know if.
Speaker 9: We're talking to the same guy, Steve, because I had
Speaker 9: I had somebody I was questioning some of the USC
Speaker 9: stuff I saw, and this and this scout from hes
Speaker 9: a personal exact now from a team that needs a quarterback, said,
Speaker 9: if you go back to Oklahoma with Lincoln Riley, you
Speaker 9: can see him play in schedule. Uh, you know, instructure
Speaker 9: much more, play on schedule much more. And he raved
Speaker 9: about the fact that. And I said, aren't you worried
Speaker 9: about going back that far? And he said, no, I
Speaker 9: don't think so. I mean, he said, just because he developed,
Speaker 9: you know, he said, is it a bad habit that
Speaker 9: he developed or is it just taking on too much?
Speaker 9: Those are two different things. And he thinks if you
Speaker 9: go to Oklahoma, you see what you need to see
Speaker 9: in terms of being on time. So I think that's
Speaker 9: a great point that you make. It isn't his background,
Speaker 9: so he can't do it. It's just a matter of
Speaker 9: getting him back there and trusting the guys around him.
Speaker 8: Again.
Speaker 2: Okay, so Lance, Let's let's get to some of these
Speaker 2: other quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well we see Drake May. You know, he's who
Speaker 1: some people consider the.
Speaker 2: Second best, but a lot of people don't know a
Speaker 2: ton about him.
Speaker 1: What about Drake May?
Speaker 9: Big, arm, height, weight, He's got the trades right, he's
Speaker 9: got the physical tools. He can throw it. There's some
Speaker 9: people who want to comp from to Josh Allen. That's
Speaker 9: who you comp a quarterback with size who's a little inaccurate.
Speaker 9: You want to throw Theosh Allen. There's not a lot
Speaker 9: of Josh Allen's out there. That probably one of one situation.
Speaker 9: Cam Newton had some of the same elements those two guys,
Speaker 9: But there's not a lot of guys like those two
Speaker 9: guys in this league.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 9: I think when you look at Drake May when he's on,
Speaker 9: he's really really good. He can throw with accuracy, he
Speaker 9: can throw with positioning, he can throw with the ability
Speaker 9: to attack down the field, uh and really challenge safeties.
Speaker 9: The problem with him is he just doesn't sustain it.
Speaker 9: It's just not sustained enough. There's there's missed throws in
Speaker 9: the middle of the field that should be point A
Speaker 9: to point B throws, and he leaves it behind wide
Speaker 9: receivers or he drives it over them with a you know,
Speaker 9: with the just a gun to overthrow where he just
Speaker 9: doesn't take anything off that fastball. He's got to learn
Speaker 9: to play without the fastball. He's got to learn to
Speaker 9: change up speeds and have that touch. So I think
Speaker 9: with Drake May, I'll be honest with you, the tape
Speaker 9: is really uneven for him, and I even question I
Speaker 9: put it out on social media sometime in early January.
Speaker 9: I said, after I finished Drake May, I said, I'm
Speaker 9: trying to figure out why he's a de facto quarterback
Speaker 9: too in the media.
Speaker 8: And it was it wasn't a slam for him. It
Speaker 8: was just I didn't really see it.
Speaker 9: And I took some bullets because the narrative had, you know,
Speaker 9: come in today, this is the number two, it's it's
Speaker 9: Caleb and then it's Drake, or maybe it's Drake and
Speaker 9: then Caleb, and then I watched it and I said, no,
Speaker 9: it's going to be Caleb and Jaden Daniels, who I'm
Speaker 9: sure we'll get to in a second. But I think
Speaker 9: Drake May is one of those guys that you see
Speaker 9: the potential, but you got to reel it in and
Speaker 9: it may take him a year or two to develop
Speaker 9: the habits that he needs to And really it might
Speaker 9: be a situation like Josh Allen where you need to
Speaker 9: get the right pieces around him that can help him
Speaker 9: flourish despite the fact that he may never be the
Speaker 9: most accurate quarterback.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 4: Listen, the situation that Josh Allen walked into as well
Speaker 4: Lance was an organization that was prepared to be patient
Speaker 4: with them, which we do not see.
Speaker 3: Around the NFL very often.
Speaker 4: And with all of these evaluations on these quarterbacks, sometimes
Speaker 4: with each guy that might be more important than another
Speaker 4: guy just having the time and the patience that he
Speaker 4: could come around. I bring that up because we're gonna
Speaker 4: mention all of these names that I believe you have.
Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know a little bit of a gap
Speaker 4: all of these quarterbacks after Caleb Williams. When I bring
Speaker 4: this up, is I look at Josh Allen. I look
Speaker 4: at Patrick Mahomes, I look at these guys that were
Speaker 4: not taken right off the top, and not the first
Speaker 4: quarterback taken like of this group. Who could be the
Speaker 4: best out of this draft right now after Caleb Williams,
Speaker 4: because that is a realistic possibility. We've seen quarterbacks in
Speaker 4: seed quarterbacks draft. No.
Speaker 9: I you know, so much of it is fit. Obviously,
Speaker 9: you look at Bryce Young and c J.
Speaker 8: Stroud.
Speaker 9: I mean, one guy is in a bad situation. The
Speaker 9: other guy got to a great situation. But that's not
Speaker 9: to downplay c J.
Speaker 8: Strouds. C J. Stroud just much more special than.
Speaker 9: I thought he was, and he's every bit the talent
Speaker 9: that you see on the field and you see off
Speaker 9: the field. I think in this draft, Jade and Daniels
Speaker 9: has something really unique. If he were two hundred and
Speaker 9: twenty pounds, we'd be talking about him as the first
Speaker 9: quarterback in this draft. He is a legiti dual pass quarterback,
Speaker 9: a dual threat quarterback who is equally good with his
Speaker 9: arm as he is with his legs. Most dual threat
Speaker 9: quarterbacks are gonna slide. If you had a slide or
Speaker 9: your slide it.
Speaker 8: Heavier on the run side, and then there may be
Speaker 8: a little.
Speaker 9: Bit less in terms of passers, whether it's accuracy, placement, whatever,
Speaker 9: you know, whatever the case may be. Like in basketball,
Speaker 9: you may have a guy who's a big time scorer
Speaker 9: who doesn't play as well defensively. When you look at
Speaker 9: Jaden Daniels, this guy is obviously an outstanding runner.
Speaker 8: He had over a thousand yards rushing.
Speaker 9: But as a passer, he's calm outside of the pocket,
Speaker 9: he's accurate throwing the intermediate routes, he can throw as
Speaker 9: a scrambler and create and extend plays. There's a lot
Speaker 9: of NFL things that Jaden Daniels does. And let's not
Speaker 9: forget he's got five years of experience on the collegiate level.
Speaker 9: He's learned to play football, and it's something that we
Speaker 9: don't see often anymore. These quarterbacks sometimes are two years,
Speaker 9: sometimes one year guys out of Dwayne Haskins was a
Speaker 9: one year quarterback.
Speaker 8: We'll see two years every once in a while, three
Speaker 8: years rarely, four years in the first round.
Speaker 9: And you know, we have two guys and Bo Knicks
Speaker 9: and Jayden Daniels, who I think, and Michael Pennix. Actually
Speaker 9: all three of those guys. I thought they all had
Speaker 9: really good seasons and they all took really big steps up,
Speaker 9: steps up this year because of the natural progression of
Speaker 9: experience at the collegiate level. So Jaydeen Daniels to me,
Speaker 9: is gonna come out maybe with the best polish.
Speaker 8: Of all the quarterbacks ready to play right now.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: I love that. He's one of the most exciting players
Speaker 1: I saw it. But like you said, he's built like
Speaker 1: RG three, right, He's got everything, but he's very slight.
Speaker 8: Guy.
Speaker 1: Let's go to edge rusher's real quick.
Speaker 2: Okay, you got Latu Latu out of UCLA, Dallas Turner,
Speaker 2: Jared Vers, what about some of those guys, and then
Speaker 2: you just got the absolute specimen and Darius Robinson out
Speaker 2: of Missouri, who was the Senior Bowl MVP.
Speaker 8: I'm so excited about the hedge rushers.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think what's gonna happen is I think it's
Speaker 9: I think it's gonna go and it's it's gonna flow
Speaker 9: in different directions. It's gonna start with the low quarter
Speaker 9: back run, then it's going to go to a wide
Speaker 9: receiver and tackle run, and then you're gonna see the
Speaker 9: edge rushers come off the board a lot too. Is
Speaker 9: akin to TJ. Watt already from a from a hand
Speaker 9: usage stamp. From a hand usage standpoint, yeah, no, I
Speaker 9: I gotta be careful. But when it comes to using
Speaker 9: his hands, his understanding as a pass rusher and this
Speaker 9: is a guy let me give you the background. Went
Speaker 9: to University of Washington, was there a couple of years,
Speaker 9: didn't play much at all because they said he had
Speaker 9: a neck injury and it would end his career, so
Speaker 9: he retired from football. Then Washington's doctor looked at him
Speaker 9: and said, you know what, we think you can play,
Speaker 9: but we do think you need these, you know, neck
Speaker 9: exercises and there's some things you need to do, but
Speaker 9: we think you're fine. He then goes to UCLA, plays
Speaker 9: only two years and ends up with double digit sacks
Speaker 9: in both years and completely dominated the tackles. He has
Speaker 9: an unbelievable understanding with his hands of how to get
Speaker 9: around tackles in a very efficient manner. He is so
Speaker 9: much fun to watch because he's so polished. Now Jared Verse,
Speaker 9: he is a ball of dynamite. Jared Burst can get
Speaker 9: out of a stance and into tackles and ragged all
Speaker 9: him around with his compact power at the point of attack,
Speaker 9: his twitch, but also his bull rush is nasty, a
Speaker 9: little birdie. A friend of his, let's just say, reached
Speaker 9: out to me last year and said, Okay, he's going
Speaker 9: back to school, but he wants to know what he
Speaker 9: needs to work on. And I'd already written him up
Speaker 9: because I thought he was going last year in the
Speaker 9: first round. And I gave him a list of my
Speaker 9: scouting reports what I thought were the areas of concerns
Speaker 9: or areas where he needed to work on him, and
Speaker 9: he worked him and he got better at him this year,
Speaker 9: and I think Jared Versus is going to come into
Speaker 9: the league and be an automatic w for whatever team
Speaker 9: drafts him. Dallas Turner, I mean, he's got height, he's
Speaker 9: got linked, he's got speed, he's got some great nick
Speaker 9: sabing characteristics. In terms of his technique that he utilizes.
Speaker 9: I do have questions about how he's going to stop
Speaker 9: the round. I mean he's not a Will Anderson, but
Speaker 9: as a rusher phenomenal talent. I saw him as a
Speaker 9: freshman against Charles Cross. I mean, Charles Cross just had
Speaker 9: so much trouble with him as a freshman. So these
Speaker 9: edge rushers and I haven't gotten a chop Robinson and Robinson.
Speaker 1: But real good lance.
Speaker 2: Here's what's gonna have to happen because a producer saying rap.
Speaker 1: So what I'm gonna do is we're gonna say we
Speaker 1: just got it. NFL's over. I mean, I'm ready to
Speaker 1: roll here, but I got hit with the rap. Can
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Speaker 8: I'll be here for sure.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get you on next week and we're
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Speaker 3: Let's get in the lab for the next two months.
Speaker 2: Hey, because I'm gonna be at the HPCU Legacy Bowl too,
Speaker 2: So let's get on to black college players as well.
Speaker 1: Appreciate your lance, all right, so come down next.
Speaker 2: There are some NFL quarterbacks you likely will be changing teams,
Speaker 2: but do they have futures in the league. We'll discuss
Speaker 2: it next on The NFL Report.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the NFL Report as we close things out,
Speaker 4: James Palmer, Steve, whitch with you, Steve, There's been a
Speaker 4: lot of quarterback talk with lanceerline. Let's talk some guys
Speaker 4: that have been in the league playing the position that
Speaker 4: might be on the move as we always see a
Speaker 4: new crop come in and they're shuffling around the league.
Speaker 4: A former first rounder out of the University of Alabama,
Speaker 4: fifteenth overall pick.
Speaker 3: Mac Jones will be headed where Steve.
Speaker 1: Great question. He can't stay in New England. It just
Speaker 1: did not work there.
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't I wouldn't mind seeing him go to
Speaker 2: a team like the Minnesota Vikings, right whether they if
Speaker 2: they resigned Kirk Cousins. That's one thing he can learn
Speaker 2: under one of the best leaders. Cousins has off that Achilles.
Speaker 2: You never know, but if all of a sudden Kirk
Speaker 2: Cousins gets paid and go somewhere else, I think he's
Speaker 2: someone who can develop under Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 1: I think mac Jones has played a potential. The Patriots
Speaker 1: just did not do him Justice the past two seasons.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and when you bring in a head coach and
Speaker 4: Drod Mayo that's been in that building on that staff
Speaker 4: the previous year, there's just you just can't bring him
Speaker 4: back to New England considering everything that went on in
Speaker 4: that quarterback room.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at a team that was tied to him
Speaker 3: in the draft.
Speaker 4: How about going back up Brock Purty in San Francisco,
Speaker 4: because I do believe after these two seasons, Brock has
Speaker 4: solidified himself to whether he should not be looking over
Speaker 4: his shoulder by any stretch.
Speaker 3: If you bring him in right the.
Speaker 4: Way he played in the Super Bowl, the way he
Speaker 4: played again in his second season, I think this is
Speaker 4: a great spot for Mac Jones to learn to grow
Speaker 4: to read.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, kindle.
Speaker 4: His reputation around the NFL, and what better place to
Speaker 4: do it than with Kyle Shanahan. How about number two
Speaker 4: overall pick Zach will of the New York Jets. What
Speaker 4: do you think is in store for mister Wilson this season?
Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna be let go.
Speaker 2: You heard Woody Johnson the Ode or just basically say
Speaker 2: they had nothing at backup quarterback this year.
Speaker 1: So he won't be with the Jets this year.
Speaker 2: My thing is, if he wasn't the number two overall pick,
Speaker 2: he might be out.
Speaker 1: Of the league.
Speaker 2: He'll probably be in somebody's camp, you know, to compete
Speaker 2: for a backup job, maybe be the number three guy.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but he just hasn't. He's had opportunities,
Speaker 2: he just has not elevated. We can make all excuses
Speaker 2: we want, but I honestly he'll He'll probably get two
Speaker 2: or three shots, but I just don't even know if
Speaker 2: he'll make any more than a number three for some team.
Speaker 4: I had to see that real quick because I'm feeling
Speaker 4: exactly the same as Henson repeating it, like, would you
Speaker 4: rather have Zach Wilson or Drew Lock as your backup?
Speaker 1: Drew Lock?
Speaker 3: I think I'm taking Drew Lock.
Speaker 2: I'm taking Drew Lock all day. Drew Lock has got
Speaker 2: something to him. Even saw last year when he came in,
Speaker 2: the teammates followed him. That didn't happen.
Speaker 3: Was that?
Speaker 1: So I would take Drew Locke all day With that one,
Speaker 1: I wanted to put that out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, real quick, only twenty seconds. Gardner minshew, our guy.
Speaker 4: We'll always have a job in the NFL. It's the
Speaker 4: exact opposite of what we're talking about with Zach Wilson.
Speaker 4: He has a value in every quarterback room. Steve, Yeah,
Speaker 4: Gardner Mitschew.
Speaker 2: He can go anywhere. The Colts I'm sure would love
Speaker 2: to keep him, you know. But he's someone, like you said,
Speaker 2: who's always gonna have a job.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: We also as a job for at least another week.
Speaker 2: We do JP as Thel Report.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're here for you on podcast.
Speaker 2: We're at seven pm now and back next Tuesday, not Monday.
Speaker 2: Next Tuesday, I'll be in New Orleans at the HBCU
Speaker 2: Legacy Mold JP. You'll be there at your beautiful home
Speaker 2: in Colorado. You'll get the final words, sir.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: And with us doing this because of the holiday on Tuesday,
Speaker 4: I get to ski on Monday.
Speaker 3: Very excited.
Speaker 4: And we have a monster guest with Steve just to
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