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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Report.

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Speaker 2: And typically we start the show off James with celebratory

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Speaker 2: happy feel Let's.

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Speaker 1: Get everybody ready.

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Speaker 2: But as you know, very well as all of us

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Speaker 2: know by now, the February fourteenth Chiefs celebration was mired

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Speaker 2: by a shooting that victimized twenty three people and left

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Speaker 1: Now we're recording this show early Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon, so there could be updates to what I'm about

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Speaker 2: to say before the show airs. But this is the

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Speaker 2: latest from Kansas City Police Chief Stacy Graves that preliminary

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Speaker 2: investigative finding shown that there was no nexus to terrorism

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Speaker 2: or homegrown violent extremism. This appeared to be a dispute

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Speaker 2: between several people that ended in gunfire.

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Speaker 1: That's the last I'm talking.

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Speaker 2: About these idiots who committed a horrible crime on innocent people.

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Speaker 1: In the great city of Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: During the overnight hours, we learned there were twenty three

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Speaker 2: victims off yesterday's shooting. In one of our victims, Elizabeth Galvin,

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Speaker 2: forty three years old, died. We're still learning about her,

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Speaker 2: but no, she's beloved by many. To her friends and family,

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Speaker 2: we are with you. We are working tirelessly to investigate

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Speaker 2: her murder. The twenty two victims age reigned between eight

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Speaker 2: victims are under the age of sixteen. Again, that's Kansas

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Speaker 2: City Police Chief Stacy Graves. Thursday, early in the afternoon,

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Speaker 2: James You and Sherry Burris and our fantastic crew ken

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Speaker 2: Field at O'Brien. A lot of our great camera people

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Speaker 2: were there for NFL Network doing the coverage of the parade.

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna turn it over to you here because

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Speaker 2: it went from like the most celebratory of highs to

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Speaker 2: something I'm sure nobody saw coming.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate that. Steve and Well said.

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Speaker 4: What I want to get across here is a couple

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Speaker 4: specific points. I've hosted this parade almost every single year

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Speaker 4: I've been at a NFL network all the way back

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Speaker 4: to twenty fifteen. I've done it in a variety of cities.

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Speaker 4: It's one of my favorite assignments every year. I did

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Speaker 4: to remember that this parade means so much to fan

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Speaker 4: NFL games in person. So this celebration in each city

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Speaker 4: a lot of times. For a lot of passionate fans,

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Speaker 4: Steve is their only time to see their heroes, their

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Speaker 4: favorite players in person. It is a huge deal for

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Speaker 4: school is usually canceled and you're allowed to go down

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Speaker 4: as a family and celebrate your team's victory, right and

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Speaker 4: you get an opportunity, we saw it during most of

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Speaker 4: the parade on Wednesday, to maybe interact with these players,

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Speaker 4: get a handshake, a fist bump, a you know, a

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Speaker 4: selfie if you could. And people go all out for

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Speaker 4: It is a big deal for a lot of fans.

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Speaker 4: And I mentioned kids specifically because it's a big deal

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Speaker 4: for kids. This is a core memory, or should be

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Speaker 4: all the wrong reasons. And that's the part that I

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Speaker 4: Steve mentioned, twenty three people that are directly impacted with

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Speaker 4: then it extends to everybody that was there, everybody that

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure where I stand mentally. Right now.

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Speaker 4: We're about one hundred and fifty yards from where this

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Speaker 4: transpired on our stage. We had as a team to

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Speaker 4: But this isn't really about us there. This is about

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Speaker 4: I think the young people. Steve that a lot of them,

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Speaker 4: in a suit there, Steve, So I stand out pretty

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Speaker 4: pretty well. And one of these boys recognizes me from

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Speaker 4: NFL Network, and they wanted to step out of the

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Speaker 4: we take a picture. And the only thing I'm thinking

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Speaker 4: just looked at him and said, like, hey, you guys

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Speaker 4: want to talk some football, Like you want to ask

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Speaker 4: me anything about Pat, You want to ask me anything

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Speaker 4: about Trav Like, let's talk some ball.

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Speaker 3: Like.

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Speaker 4: My first thought, Steve, was, how do I change their

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Speaker 4: And so that's what sticks with me from being there,

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Speaker 4: we can't even imagine the number of ways they can be.

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Speaker 3: So I'd like to move forward.

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Speaker 4: I'd like to talk some football and hopefully distract some

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Speaker 3: From thinking about what happened.

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Speaker 4: But we have to acknowledge it and acknowledge what transpired

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Speaker 4: this shapes things moving forward. But I think we should

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Speaker 2: Steve well JP, well done by you, and you talk

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Speaker 2: about memories.

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Speaker 1: They've got that photo with you, and that's going.

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Speaker 2: To change some of the memories that may be traumatic

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Speaker 2: to them and a lot of other people. So much

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Speaker 2: respect to you, much respect to law enforcement, the medical enforcement,

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Speaker 2: and help save the lives of so many JP. Again,

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Speaker 2: well done. Also coming up on the show, we are

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Speaker 2: up next Terry Fonto, the Falcons general manager. You see

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Speaker 2: him with his new coach, Rohie Morrison t president Greg Beatles.

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Speaker 1: We'll de tate Belsie.

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Speaker 3: This is coming home.

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Speaker 5: And when you get a chance to go back home

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Speaker 5: in this profession, it is extremely important and it is

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Speaker 5: extremely critical to everybody involved. I can express the joy

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Speaker 5: that I've been with for years. And I could talk

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Speaker 5: I probably may bore you, but I don't know if

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Speaker 2: We are back at the NFL Report and you just

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Speaker 2: heard new Falcons head coach Raheem Morris at his introductory

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Speaker 2: press conference and JP we are now joined by Falcons

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Speaker 1: Morris back to Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: Terry, thanks so much for joining us, and let's get

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Speaker 2: right to it, Terry, the decision to go with Raheem.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's been in your building for a couple

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Speaker 2: Just a feeling you have of bringing him back and

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Speaker 2: you and him getting to work together for the first time.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Steve James, first of all, appreciate y'all having me on.

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Speaker 6: And before we get into football, I do want to

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Speaker 6: to your question, very excited about Raheem, and it was.

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Speaker 6: It was a thorough, detailed process with a lot of

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Speaker 6: man Raheem really stick out throughout that whole process. His infectious,

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Speaker 4: appreciate it. What I'd like to pass us forward to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, great question. We're right in the midst of that

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Speaker 6: So that's what we're doing right now. And we're spending

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Speaker 6: Spending time with the coaches and the scouts and getting

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Speaker 6: the profile of what a Falcon looks like in all

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Speaker 6: devise the right plan and make sure we have the

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Speaker 6: the right way. So it starts off with looking at

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Speaker 2: But Terry, you've been part of the process of building

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Speaker 2: this roster for the past few years, and there is

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Speaker 2: no denying there is a tremendous amount of talent on

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Speaker 3: Terry mentioned the draft. You're sitting there at eight.

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Speaker 6: Well, you're right, I'm actually sitting right outside. We're right

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Speaker 6: To your question, talking about that communication, you keep that

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Speaker 2: I know you're not gonna give me an exact answer

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Speaker 7: Right now.

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Speaker 7: Now, I gave you too much credit.

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Speaker 7: I answer that question, Steve, I'm gonna get a call.

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Speaker 7: We're gonna lose a draft pick if I answer that question.

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Speaker 6: No, that that is a that's an outstanding question, and

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Speaker 7: Look, it's the same way with people.

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Speaker 4: Terry, I love that in terms of growth and adapting,

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Speaker 6: We're going to go out and find some more and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you got the old line. You know

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Speaker 2: You're evaluating some things with your area scoles and whatnot.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, good, good depth, no doubt. There's some really good

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Speaker 4: I will have you on further, Terry, to talk about

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Speaker 1: With the drafts A great answer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's gonna tell me to ask the question

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Speaker 3: A stick with the draft.

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Speaker 4: Another spot, looking at your defense, Terry, looking at your TV,

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Speaker 7: But it is.

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Speaker 6: It's it's strong in that area regarding the pressure players.

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Speaker 3: So it's exciting going into.

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Speaker 4: Awesome Terry fin no Falcons GM joining us on the

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Speaker 4: And we're excited to keep an eye on you guys

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: Thanks, guys, appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Coming up, we're going to talk to some defensive coordinators

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Speaker 4: and that man right there has won four Super Bowl rings,

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the NFL Report, James Palmer, Steve which

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Speaker 3: Head coaching jobs.

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Speaker 4: It was Robert Sala who was there, and then it

445
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Speaker 4: was Demiko Ryans who picked up where Sala left off,

446
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Speaker 4: and then they bring in Steve Wilkes. What I'm curious

447
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Speaker 4: most about is you pose this question to me, and

448
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Speaker 4: now I pose it to you. If they win Super

449
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Speaker 4: Bowl fifty eight and they take a Vintombardi Trophy back

450
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Speaker 4: to the Bay Area, is Steve Wilkes still the head coach,

451
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Speaker 4: still the coordinator a defensive coordinator for this team in

452
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, look, I am not saying this decision

454
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 2: came solely off of one game, but it would be

455
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Speaker 2: very hard to justify the firing of a defensive coordinator

456
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Speaker 2: whose defense had been pretty good most of the season.

457
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Speaker 2: Now it wasn't he had to measure himself up against

458
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Speaker 2: Robert Sala and Demiko Ryans. There were points a season

459
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Speaker 2: where this Niners defense was not as great or as

460
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Speaker 2: dominant as those teams, especially in the playoffs and especially against.

461
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Speaker 1: The run, where they were once impenetrable.

462
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Speaker 2: But they played a Super Bowl game where they lost

463
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Speaker 2: their best their second best defensive player in Drake green Law,

464
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Speaker 2: or their third best defensive player. Let's not forget they

465
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Speaker 2: did not have Pro Bowl safety Tallano Hufonga for almost

466
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Speaker 2: the entire season, so there was a lot of shifting

467
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Speaker 2: going on with this defense at points, but there also

468
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Speaker 2: seemed to be some issues along the way. Remember Kyle

469
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Speaker 2: Shanahan said Steve, come down from the booth and get

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Speaker 2: on the sideline. So Wilkes came down to the sideline

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Speaker 2: and things seemed to turn around briefly, well I won't

472
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Speaker 2: say briefly. Things seemed to turn around. Something get better

473
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Speaker 2: from that point on. So again, there's gotta be more

474
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Speaker 2: to this, something that's been brewing all along. But I

475
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Speaker 2: still think if they win the Super Bowl, Steve Wilkes

476
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Speaker 2: would still be the defensive coordinator for the forty nine

477
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Speaker 2: ers because then they could take all off seas and

478
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Speaker 2: they say let's work on some of these things that

479
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Speaker 2: I didn't think went quite right in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Three, I think exactly right.

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Speaker 4: See this is one year and Kyle Shanahan said repeatedly

482
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Speaker 4: that there wasn't a lack of effort by Steve Wilks.

483
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Speaker 3: Trying to make all of this work.

484
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Speaker 4: And when I say trying to make all of this work,

485
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Speaker 4: it's because it's a system that they wanted to keep

486
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Speaker 4: in place that has been there and built for the

487
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Speaker 4: personnel that they have.

488
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Speaker 3: It was run by Solid, was run by Demiko Rans.

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Speaker 4: They didn't really have a strong in house candidate that

490
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Speaker 4: could have replaced Demko, And essentially you put Steve Wilks

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Speaker 4: in a position where he's running a system that wasn't

492
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Speaker 4: essentially one he's very familiar with, but you wanted to

493
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Speaker 4: keep the continuity for your team, and I understand that

494
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Speaker 4: as well. So maybe some more time would have actually

495
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Speaker 4: helped Wilkes in a sense. But I think also being

496
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Speaker 4: the escapegoat can also happen at the exact same time,

497
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Speaker 4: because I do think we live in a world of

498
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Speaker 4: recency bias, and this defense was not at its best

499
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Speaker 4: in the most recent of games. You mentioned what happened

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Speaker 4: with them against the run during the postseason.

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Speaker 3: It didn't just fall off, it dropped off a cliff.

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Speaker 9: Ye.

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Speaker 4: I mean they were third in the NFL against the

504
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Speaker 4: run during the season, and they more than doubled that.

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Speaker 4: I think it was almost seventy yards a game. They

506
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Speaker 4: were giving up more during the postseason than they were

507
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Speaker 4: during the regular season. And you don't think Kyle Shannan

508
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Speaker 4: doesn't forget that those are the last several games that

509
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Speaker 4: they played. And then when you look at also comments

510
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Speaker 4: that certain players make you hear Nick bos To say

511
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Speaker 4: after the game, we were not prepared for Patrick.

512
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Speaker 3: Mahomes to be using his legs.

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Speaker 4: That's not a great comment you want coming out of

514
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Speaker 4: the sal for your defensive coordinator. And the other aspect

515
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Speaker 4: of it is Steve Wooks is brilliant working with the

516
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Speaker 4: secondary and great back there. This team is built off

517
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Speaker 4: of its front seven. It has been for a long time,

518
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Speaker 4: so I think there was that aspect as well. This

519
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Speaker 4: seemed like a difficult decision for Kyle Shanahan, but he

520
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Speaker 4: said it had to be made. I'm not sure where

521
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Speaker 4: they go from here though.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And that's the other part that I'm I'm kind of

524
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Speaker 4: fascinated by with because this is very late now in

525
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Speaker 4: terms of making a higher.

526
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Speaker 2: Brandon Daley's out there brandis Daley's out there, and he

527
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Speaker 2: comes to that from that Sean McVay Vic Fangio type

528
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: of system that's kind of similar to.

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Speaker 1: What they like to do.

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Speaker 2: Well, JP, let's go to the other side and not

531
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Speaker 2: a coach getting let go, but a.

532
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Speaker 1: Coach being retained. Kid's hitty.

533
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Speaker 2: Yeah, signed DC Steve Spagnolo to a well deserved contract extension.

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Speaker 2: We talked to Spags on the podcast the end of

535
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Speaker 2: podcast while we're at super Bowl? What about Spag getting

536
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Speaker 2: taken care of?

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Speaker 3: I think this is just, you know, so much of this.

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Speaker 4: You know, two weeks, Steve, we've been out in you know,

539
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Speaker 4: covering the Super Bowl and then out in Vegas and

540
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Speaker 4: it's is Andy Reid going to retire? Is Andy Reid

541
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Speaker 4: going to retire? Well that was solidified, right, Andy Reid's

542
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 4: going nowhere. And this is a big part of why

543
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Speaker 4: Andy Reid's going nowhere. He literally does not have to

544
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 4: worry about half his football team right because he has

545
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 4: Steve Spagnola running that entire defense. I mean, the faith

546
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Speaker 4: and trust that this team has in that man right

547
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 4: there is remarkable.

548
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Speaker 3: I mean, second to none.

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Speaker 4: There are guys that have told me, Steve, if Spags

550
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Speaker 4: isn't here, I'm not sure I want to even play

551
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 4: here anymore. And this is one of the best organizations

552
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Speaker 4: in football. That's the way that's not ant to Kansas City.

553
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 4: That's a feather in the cap of Steve Spagnola. When

554
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Speaker 4: the parade was going on during the speeches and Justin

555
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 4: Reid came out and said, I hope everybody here knows

556
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Speaker 4: that Spag's got a contract.

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Speaker 3: Extension this morning.

558
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Speaker 4: It was the roar was just as loud as it

559
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Speaker 4: was when Patrick Mahomes got introduced or Travis Kelcey. That's

560
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Speaker 4: the way everybody in Kansas City acknowledges what Spagnola can do.

561
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Speaker 4: And I think this is only going to continue, Steve,

562
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Speaker 4: because these are young players that have been drafted into

563
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Speaker 4: this system and only continue to become more intelligent in

564
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Speaker 4: what he wants him to do and allows him to

565
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Speaker 4: make even more and more adjustments, which makes his defense.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the other thing Steve Spagnolo likes.

567
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Speaker 2: So many chiefs assistant coaches are kind of the victims,

568
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: so to speak, of the team's success.

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Speaker 1: Very few coaches under Andy Raid.

570
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Speaker 2: Have left because they're playing in so many Super Bowls.

571
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Speaker 2: Look at how long it took for Eric b Enemy

572
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: to have to go someplace else. Andy Reid has lost

573
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Speaker 2: very few of his assistants and that coaching continuity again

574
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Speaker 2: because a lot of times his teams are playing deep

575
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: into the playoffs. That works against some guys trying to

576
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 2: get coaching opportunities or coordinator opportunities because those teams with

577
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 2: vacancies tend to make the HighRes before the.

578
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl is played.

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Speaker 2: So that has benefited the Andy Reid and the leadership

580
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Speaker 2: there to be able to retain people likes bags because

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Speaker 2: of their successes a JP. Now let's go to one

582
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Speaker 2: more defensive coordinator move, and that is down in Dallas, where,

583
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Speaker 2: of course Dan Quinn, the former defensive coordinator left to

584
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Speaker 2: become the head coach of the Commanders, and Jerry Jones

585
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: and Mike McCarthy go way back into the Cowboys time

586
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: machine and they bring in Mike Zimmer to be the

587
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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator. Remember, Zimmer was a secondary coach with some

588
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Speaker 2: of those Super Bowl teams that Dallas had back in

589
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 2: the nineties. Now he's basically back on with a head coach.

590
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 2: He's got one year to prove he needs to get

591
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Speaker 2: an extension.

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Speaker 4: That's a great point. I mean, dan Quinn had this

593
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 4: defense in a good spot. Let's just I will kind

594
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 4: of put it that way. What led the NFL and

595
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 4: takeaways in twenty one and twenty two, top five scoring

596
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 4: defense in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three. What

597
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Speaker 4: my main focus, Steve is what does Mike Zimmer come

598
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 4: in and do in developing a relationship with Micah Parsons

599
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Speaker 4: Because I think we talked about this on the show

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Speaker 4: mid season when I had a long conversation with dan

601
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Speaker 4: Quinn in the lengths that he went to find ways

602
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 4: for Micah Parsons to be comfortable, find ways for him

603
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Speaker 4: to play at the highest level possible, to find new

604
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 4: ways to use him in new ways for him to

605
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 4: be effective, and develop their relationship together. That was a

606
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 4: huge part of being, you know, the defensive coordinator of

607
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 4: a player that is so unique as Micah Parsons. I

608
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 4: think that's the first thing that Mike Zimmer has to

609
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 4: do is make sure that that's intact, because that could.

610
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: Be who knows, volatile if you will, but.

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Speaker 1: Also, it's kind of right.

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Speaker 4: I am the linebacker position as well. That is a

613
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 4: spot that I think you want to talk about, and

614
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 4: that is a spot that remember we have a converted

615
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: safety playing linebacker. Now listen, there were injuries, there were

616
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 4: things like that, but I think Zimmer is focused on

617
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 4: that position. On the defensive line needs to be a

618
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 4: focal point as well. But I think there can't be

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Speaker 4: a drop off in the in the aspects that I mentioned,

620
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Speaker 4: and there needs to be maybe an increase in certain

621
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Speaker 4: things like penalties, which this team is one of the

622
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Speaker 4: more penalized defenses in football the last couple of years.

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Speaker 4: How do you change that and remain aggressive? He says

624
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Speaker 4: he doesn't want to, you know, remain the wheel entirely, Steve.

625
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Speaker 4: But what do you see Zim coming in and doing

626
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Speaker 4: on this defense?

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Speaker 2: Well, first, the bigger, the biggest thing, and we know

628
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: this is the personalities. Dan Quinn was the dude, Like

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Speaker 2: everyone you talk to in Dallas will tell you on

630
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Speaker 2: both sides of the ball that Quinn was the most

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Speaker 2: relatable dude on.

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Speaker 1: That coaching staff. That's who they all kind of flowed to.

633
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Speaker 2: His energy was what they kind of trickled down and

634
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: built off of Mike Zimmer is not dan Quinn. Mike

635
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Speaker 2: Zimmer is an old school, in your face coach. He

636
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: is a curmudgeon. He will tell you that, but I

637
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: think the players, once they kind of get beyond that,

638
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: understand how great of a coach he is. I have

639
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: been around Zim for a long time, from when he

640
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: was a defensive coordinator with the Falcons, when he went

641
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: to be the DC in Cincinnati, and when he went

642
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: to Minnesota. And the one thing you'll notice there speaking

643
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: about the Micah Parsons is there's always one player who

644
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: he gets to just dominate. It was Michael Bowley, an

645
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: outside linebacker in Atlanta who always had the most press

646
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: the stat sheets of any player. At the end of

647
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: the season, he goes to Cincinnati. Vontes Perfect, an inside linebacker,

648
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: turned out to be one of the better players.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: Steelers fans don't want to hear anything about Vonte's perfect,

651
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: but turned out to be one of the better players

652
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Speaker 2: in that year after year.

653
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Speaker 1: Then he goes to Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: You guys guys like Anthony Barr, right, guys who can flex.

655
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Speaker 2: But you you talked about linebackers at second level, player

656
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Speaker 2: who can do things. And we know Zimmer is a

657
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: great secondary coach.

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Speaker 1: That is his strength.

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Speaker 2: But he likes to play a lot of that cover

660
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Speaker 2: two type coverage, So we'll see if he kind of

661
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: puts that in.

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Speaker 1: To what the Cowboys like to do.

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Speaker 2: All right, JP, we talked about the defensive coordinators, but

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Speaker 2: coming up, we're gonna talk about some of the guys

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Speaker 2: coming into this year's draft.

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything. You don't know anything. We've been

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Speaker 1: covering the NFL. Land Zer, he.

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Speaker 2: Knows a lot and he'll be back to.

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Speaker 1: Join us next on the NFL Report.

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Speaker 2: Three hundred of the best college football players get the

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Speaker 2: chance to showcase DERI skills in Indianapolis at the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four NFL Scouting Combine presented by Noble Combine cover

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Speaker 2: It starts February twenty ninth.

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Speaker 1: Right here on NFL Network.

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Speaker 2: And also, let's not forget that the NFL Draft takes

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Speaker 2: place in Detroit April twenty fifth through twenty seventh.

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Speaker 1: JP.

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Speaker 2: And now we're joined by our draft analyst lambs On,

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Speaker 2: so L James and I We're gonna go Denzel Washington

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Speaker 2: right here, explain this to me like we're kindergarteners.

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Speaker 1: Right, We've been immersed in Super Bowl covers.

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Speaker 2: We've been immersed in the NFL's When it comes to

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Speaker 2: draft prospects, we know nothing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and let's start with the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: And we're all assuming that Caleb Williams out of USC

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Speaker 2: is gonna be the top pick, if the Bears hold

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Speaker 2: the pick, or else whoever comes up to get the pick.

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Speaker 2: What can you tell us about Caleb Williams as to

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Speaker 2: why he's deserving of the top spot.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think with Caleb Williams, it's kind of interesting

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Speaker 9: because from a physical standpoint, he's kind of average sized,

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Speaker 9: decent size.

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Speaker 8: His arm talent's really really good.

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Speaker 9: I think if you watch tape this year, it's a

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Speaker 9: little uneven, frankly, and it's because he tried to play

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Speaker 9: a lot of hero ball. He wasn't surrounded with a

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Speaker 9: great offensive line. He had pressure on him a lot,

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Speaker 9: and I think he developed some bad habits. But when

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Speaker 9: things are right and he's in rhythm, man, he is terrific.

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Speaker 9: I mean it comes out of his hand a little differently.

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Speaker 9: He's got the ability to make the improvisational throws as

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Speaker 9: you just saw right there.

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Speaker 8: And let's face it, when you look at Pat.

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Speaker 9: Mahomes the guy who's been the most consistently excellent quarterback

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Speaker 9: outside of Tom Brady over the last several years, or

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Speaker 9: if you want to even talk about Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 8: Things that those two guys can do.

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Speaker 9: They've got good arm talent and they get outside of

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Speaker 9: the pocket extend to make big plays. And I think

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Speaker 9: that's what gets people the most excited about Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 8: So what you've got with Kayleb Williams is a guy

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Speaker 8: who I think is going to go first. I think

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Speaker 8: he is going to go to the Bears.

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Speaker 9: It'll allow them to he set that clock for rookie

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Speaker 9: contract and really hit reset on a quarterback that they

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Speaker 9: feel like might be a better passer there in the

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Speaker 9: in the Chicago area. So of this quarterback class, you know,

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Speaker 9: is he the best player in this in this class?

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Speaker 8: I don't know if.

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Speaker 3: He's the best.

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Speaker 9: I rarely have quarterback at the very top of the list.

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Speaker 9: Is he the best quarterback? I think he's definitely the

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Speaker 9: best quarterback Steve, and that's that's why he's going to

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Speaker 9: go first. The upside, the potential, the background of productivity,

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Speaker 9: it really checks out checks a lot of boxes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Lance We had Ian Rappaport on the show earlier

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Speaker 4: this week and he kind of said similar things to

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Speaker 4: the Bears most likely staying at that number one spot.

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Speaker 4: Taking Kayleb Williams is going to take a massive haul

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Speaker 4: for anybody to come up there and try to take

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Speaker 4: that number one spot away from them. And I look

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Speaker 4: at you know, Ryan Poles running the show. There was

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Speaker 4: with Patrick Mahomes for five years in Kansas City. If

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Speaker 4: anybody want to make the comp I would assume Ryan

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Speaker 4: Poles has enough intel being with Patrick Mahomes day in

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Speaker 4: and day out to make a very educated opinion about

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Speaker 4: some of the comparisons we are seeing out there. What

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Speaker 4: about the system staying in Chicago? Shane Waldron comes in

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Speaker 4: disciple of McVeigh. Is this a solid fit for when

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Speaker 4: you evaluate Caleb Williams's strengths that this would be a

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Speaker 4: system he would flourish in lance.

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Speaker 8: That's a great question. You know it can be if

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Speaker 8: Caleb will let it be.

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Speaker 9: And what I mean by that is, as I mentioned previously,

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Speaker 9: Caleb will take some things off.

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Speaker 8: Schedule that don't need to go off schedule.

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Speaker 9: So I think it's going to be really having the

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Speaker 9: offensive coordinator drill down on this is when we extend

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Speaker 9: and take chances. This is when the ball needs to

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Speaker 9: come out to option number two or option number three,

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Speaker 9: we go move on to the next play. It doesn't

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Speaker 9: have to be hero ball on the next level. And

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Speaker 9: you've got some targets over there in Chicago, and of

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Speaker 9: course they've got draft capital, they've got free agent money.

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Speaker 9: They're going to build something around Caleb Williams. And and I

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Speaker 9: think the number nine pick could easily end up being

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Speaker 9: a wide receiver as well, or they could move up

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Speaker 9: and target one of the top three wide receivers in

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Speaker 9: this draft. So I think it could be a really

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Speaker 9: good offense for him because he has the ability to

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Speaker 9: play in rhythm and the offense you're talking about the

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Speaker 9: schedule is.

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Speaker 8: I mean, it's playing on schedule, it's playing a rhythm.

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Speaker 9: It's kind of levels passing attack where you make a

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Speaker 9: simple read and then you throw a the accuracy in touch.

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Speaker 8: It could be a really great offense for Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 9: It's just a matter of will he stay inside the

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Speaker 9: structure of that offense and showed the discipline that he's

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Speaker 9: kind of lacked over the last year and a half

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Speaker 9: when he felt like he had to carry the team

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Speaker 9: because frankly, he did have to carry his team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when we saw him in Oklahoma, though we saw

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Speaker 2: him play on schedule.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that was the thing.

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Speaker 2: That's why I say, you know, when you talk about

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Speaker 2: him with the bad habits, just because of the USC,

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Speaker 2: he's scoring forty points a game, but he knows he

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Speaker 2: had to score forty.

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Speaker 1: Eight to win. So that's when you talk about I

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Speaker 1: don't know if.

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Speaker 9: We're talking to the same guy, Steve, because I had

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Speaker 9: I had somebody I was questioning some of the USC

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Speaker 9: stuff I saw, and this and this scout from hes

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Speaker 9: a personal exact now from a team that needs a quarterback, said,

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Speaker 9: if you go back to Oklahoma with Lincoln Riley, you

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Speaker 9: can see him play in schedule. Uh, you know, instructure

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Speaker 9: much more, play on schedule much more. And he raved

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Speaker 9: about the fact that. And I said, aren't you worried

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Speaker 9: about going back that far? And he said, no, I

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Speaker 9: don't think so. I mean, he said, just because he developed,

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Speaker 9: you know, he said, is it a bad habit that

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Speaker 9: he developed or is it just taking on too much?

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Speaker 9: Those are two different things. And he thinks if you

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Speaker 9: go to Oklahoma, you see what you need to see

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Speaker 9: in terms of being on time. So I think that's

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Speaker 9: a great point that you make. It isn't his background,

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Speaker 9: so he can't do it. It's just a matter of

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Speaker 9: getting him back there and trusting the guys around him.

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Speaker 8: Again.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so Lance, Let's let's get to some of these

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Speaker 2: other quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well we see Drake May. You know, he's who

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Speaker 1: some people consider the.

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Speaker 2: Second best, but a lot of people don't know a

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Speaker 2: ton about him.

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Speaker 1: What about Drake May?

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Speaker 9: Big, arm, height, weight, He's got the trades right, he's

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00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 9: got the physical tools. He can throw it. There's some

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Speaker 9: people who want to comp from to Josh Allen. That's

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Speaker 9: who you comp a quarterback with size who's a little inaccurate.

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Speaker 9: You want to throw Theosh Allen. There's not a lot

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Speaker 9: of Josh Allen's out there. That probably one of one situation.

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Speaker 9: Cam Newton had some of the same elements those two guys,

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Speaker 9: But there's not a lot of guys like those two

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Speaker 9: guys in this league.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 9: I think when you look at Drake May when he's on,

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Speaker 9: he's really really good. He can throw with accuracy, he

819
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Speaker 9: can throw with positioning, he can throw with the ability

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Speaker 9: to attack down the field, uh and really challenge safeties.

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Speaker 9: The problem with him is he just doesn't sustain it.

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Speaker 9: It's just not sustained enough. There's there's missed throws in

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Speaker 9: the middle of the field that should be point A

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Speaker 9: to point B throws, and he leaves it behind wide

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Speaker 9: receivers or he drives it over them with a you know,

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Speaker 9: with the just a gun to overthrow where he just

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Speaker 9: doesn't take anything off that fastball. He's got to learn

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Speaker 9: to play without the fastball. He's got to learn to

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Speaker 9: change up speeds and have that touch. So I think

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Speaker 9: with Drake May, I'll be honest with you, the tape

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Speaker 9: is really uneven for him, and I even question I

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Speaker 9: put it out on social media sometime in early January.

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Speaker 9: I said, after I finished Drake May, I said, I'm

834
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Speaker 9: trying to figure out why he's a de facto quarterback

835
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Speaker 9: too in the media.

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Speaker 8: And it was it wasn't a slam for him. It

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Speaker 8: was just I didn't really see it.

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Speaker 9: And I took some bullets because the narrative had, you know,

839
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Speaker 9: come in today, this is the number two, it's it's

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Speaker 9: Caleb and then it's Drake, or maybe it's Drake and

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Speaker 9: then Caleb, and then I watched it and I said, no,

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Speaker 9: it's going to be Caleb and Jaden Daniels, who I'm

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Speaker 9: sure we'll get to in a second. But I think

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Speaker 9: Drake May is one of those guys that you see

845
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Speaker 9: the potential, but you got to reel it in and

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Speaker 9: it may take him a year or two to develop

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Speaker 9: the habits that he needs to And really it might

848
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Speaker 9: be a situation like Josh Allen where you need to

849
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Speaker 9: get the right pieces around him that can help him

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Speaker 9: flourish despite the fact that he may never be the

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Speaker 9: most accurate quarterback.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 4: Listen, the situation that Josh Allen walked into as well

854
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Speaker 4: Lance was an organization that was prepared to be patient

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Speaker 4: with them, which we do not see.

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Speaker 3: Around the NFL very often.

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Speaker 4: And with all of these evaluations on these quarterbacks, sometimes

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Speaker 4: with each guy that might be more important than another

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Speaker 4: guy just having the time and the patience that he

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Speaker 4: could come around. I bring that up because we're gonna

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Speaker 4: mention all of these names that I believe you have.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know a little bit of a gap

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Speaker 4: all of these quarterbacks after Caleb Williams. When I bring

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Speaker 4: this up, is I look at Josh Allen. I look

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Speaker 4: at Patrick Mahomes, I look at these guys that were

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Speaker 4: not taken right off the top, and not the first

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Speaker 4: quarterback taken like of this group. Who could be the

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Speaker 4: best out of this draft right now after Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 4: because that is a realistic possibility. We've seen quarterbacks in

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Speaker 4: seed quarterbacks draft. No.

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Speaker 9: I you know, so much of it is fit. Obviously,

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Speaker 9: you look at Bryce Young and c J.

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Speaker 8: Stroud.

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Speaker 9: I mean, one guy is in a bad situation. The

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Speaker 9: other guy got to a great situation. But that's not

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Speaker 9: to downplay c J.

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Speaker 8: Strouds. C J. Stroud just much more special than.

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Speaker 9: I thought he was, and he's every bit the talent

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Speaker 9: that you see on the field and you see off

880
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 9: the field. I think in this draft, Jade and Daniels

881
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Speaker 9: has something really unique. If he were two hundred and

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Speaker 9: twenty pounds, we'd be talking about him as the first

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Speaker 9: quarterback in this draft. He is a legiti dual pass quarterback,

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Speaker 9: a dual threat quarterback who is equally good with his

885
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Speaker 9: arm as he is with his legs. Most dual threat

886
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Speaker 9: quarterbacks are gonna slide. If you had a slide or

887
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 9: your slide it.

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Speaker 8: Heavier on the run side, and then there may be

889
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Speaker 8: a little.

890
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Speaker 9: Bit less in terms of passers, whether it's accuracy, placement, whatever,

891
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 9: you know, whatever the case may be. Like in basketball,

892
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Speaker 9: you may have a guy who's a big time scorer

893
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Speaker 9: who doesn't play as well defensively. When you look at

894
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Speaker 9: Jaden Daniels, this guy is obviously an outstanding runner.

895
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Speaker 8: He had over a thousand yards rushing.

896
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Speaker 9: But as a passer, he's calm outside of the pocket,

897
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Speaker 9: he's accurate throwing the intermediate routes, he can throw as

898
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Speaker 9: a scrambler and create and extend plays. There's a lot

899
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Speaker 9: of NFL things that Jaden Daniels does. And let's not

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Speaker 9: forget he's got five years of experience on the collegiate level.

901
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Speaker 9: He's learned to play football, and it's something that we

902
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 9: don't see often anymore. These quarterbacks sometimes are two years,

903
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Speaker 9: sometimes one year guys out of Dwayne Haskins was a

904
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Speaker 9: one year quarterback.

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Speaker 8: We'll see two years every once in a while, three

906
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Speaker 8: years rarely, four years in the first round.

907
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Speaker 9: And you know, we have two guys and Bo Knicks

908
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Speaker 9: and Jayden Daniels, who I think, and Michael Pennix. Actually

909
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Speaker 9: all three of those guys. I thought they all had

910
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Speaker 9: really good seasons and they all took really big steps up,

911
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 9: steps up this year because of the natural progression of

912
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Speaker 9: experience at the collegiate level. So Jaydeen Daniels to me,

913
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Speaker 9: is gonna come out maybe with the best polish.

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Speaker 8: Of all the quarterbacks ready to play right now.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 1: I love that. He's one of the most exciting players

917
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Speaker 1: I saw it. But like you said, he's built like

918
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Speaker 1: RG three, right, He's got everything, but he's very slight.

919
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Speaker 8: Guy.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to edge rusher's real quick.

921
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Speaker 2: Okay, you got Latu Latu out of UCLA, Dallas Turner,

922
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Speaker 2: Jared Vers, what about some of those guys, and then

923
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Speaker 2: you just got the absolute specimen and Darius Robinson out

924
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Speaker 2: of Missouri, who was the Senior Bowl MVP.

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Speaker 8: I'm so excited about the hedge rushers.

926
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think what's gonna happen is I think it's

927
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Speaker 9: I think it's gonna go and it's it's gonna flow

928
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Speaker 9: in different directions. It's gonna start with the low quarter

929
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Speaker 9: back run, then it's going to go to a wide

930
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Speaker 9: receiver and tackle run, and then you're gonna see the

931
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Speaker 9: edge rushers come off the board a lot too. Is

932
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Speaker 9: akin to TJ. Watt already from a from a hand

933
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Speaker 9: usage stamp. From a hand usage standpoint, yeah, no, I

934
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Speaker 9: I gotta be careful. But when it comes to using

935
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Speaker 9: his hands, his understanding as a pass rusher and this

936
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Speaker 9: is a guy let me give you the background. Went

937
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Speaker 9: to University of Washington, was there a couple of years,

938
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Speaker 9: didn't play much at all because they said he had

939
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Speaker 9: a neck injury and it would end his career, so

940
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Speaker 9: he retired from football. Then Washington's doctor looked at him

941
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Speaker 9: and said, you know what, we think you can play,

942
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Speaker 9: but we do think you need these, you know, neck

943
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Speaker 9: exercises and there's some things you need to do, but

944
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Speaker 9: we think you're fine. He then goes to UCLA, plays

945
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Speaker 9: only two years and ends up with double digit sacks

946
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Speaker 9: in both years and completely dominated the tackles. He has

947
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Speaker 9: an unbelievable understanding with his hands of how to get

948
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Speaker 9: around tackles in a very efficient manner. He is so

949
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 9: much fun to watch because he's so polished. Now Jared Verse,

950
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 9: he is a ball of dynamite. Jared Burst can get

951
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 9: out of a stance and into tackles and ragged all

952
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 9: him around with his compact power at the point of attack,

953
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 9: his twitch, but also his bull rush is nasty, a

954
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 9: little birdie. A friend of his, let's just say, reached

955
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Speaker 9: out to me last year and said, Okay, he's going

956
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 9: back to school, but he wants to know what he

957
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 9: needs to work on. And I'd already written him up

958
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Speaker 9: because I thought he was going last year in the

959
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 9: first round. And I gave him a list of my

960
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 9: scouting reports what I thought were the areas of concerns

961
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 9: or areas where he needed to work on him, and

962
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 9: he worked him and he got better at him this year,

963
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Speaker 9: and I think Jared Versus is going to come into

964
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 9: the league and be an automatic w for whatever team

965
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Speaker 9: drafts him. Dallas Turner, I mean, he's got height, he's

966
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 9: got linked, he's got speed, he's got some great nick

967
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 9: sabing characteristics. In terms of his technique that he utilizes.

968
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 9: I do have questions about how he's going to stop

969
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 9: the round. I mean he's not a Will Anderson, but

970
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 9: as a rusher phenomenal talent. I saw him as a

971
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 9: freshman against Charles Cross. I mean, Charles Cross just had

972
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 9: so much trouble with him as a freshman. So these

973
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 9: edge rushers and I haven't gotten a chop Robinson and Robinson.

974
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Speaker 1: But real good lance.

975
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Speaker 2: Here's what's gonna have to happen because a producer saying rap.

976
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Speaker 1: So what I'm gonna do is we're gonna say we

977
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Speaker 1: just got it. NFL's over. I mean, I'm ready to

978
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Speaker 1: roll here, but I got hit with the rap. Can

979
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Speaker 1: you come back next week? Can you join us next week?

980
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Speaker 8: I'll be here for sure.

981
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Speaker 1: So we're gonna get you on next week and we're

982
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Speaker 1: gonna hit the.

983
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Speaker 3: Let's get in the lab for the next two months.

984
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Speaker 2: Hey, because I'm gonna be at the HPCU Legacy Bowl too,

985
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Speaker 2: So let's get on to black college players as well.

986
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Speaker 1: Appreciate your lance, all right, so come down next.

987
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Speaker 2: There are some NFL quarterbacks you likely will be changing teams,

988
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Speaker 2: but do they have futures in the league. We'll discuss

989
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: it next on The NFL Report.

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Speaker 1: Wolver Tate Fell See.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the NFL Report podcast, but you can

992
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Speaker 2: watch me, Steve Weich and my co host James Palmer

993
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: on The NFL Report at seven fifteen Eastern time on

994
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Speaker 2: Mondays and Thursdays on the NFL app and free streaming

995
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996
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Speaker 2: Pluto TV, and other free streaming apps.

997
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the NFL Report as we close things out,

998
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Speaker 4: James Palmer, Steve, whitch with you, Steve, There's been a

999
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 4: lot of quarterback talk with lanceerline. Let's talk some guys

1000
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 4: that have been in the league playing the position that

1001
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 4: might be on the move as we always see a

1002
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 4: new crop come in and they're shuffling around the league.

1003
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 4: A former first rounder out of the University of Alabama,

1004
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 4: fifteenth overall pick.

1005
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: Mac Jones will be headed where Steve.

1006
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: Great question. He can't stay in New England. It just

1007
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 1: did not work there.

1008
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't I wouldn't mind seeing him go to

1009
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: a team like the Minnesota Vikings, right whether they if

1010
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: they resigned Kirk Cousins. That's one thing he can learn

1011
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: under one of the best leaders. Cousins has off that Achilles.

1012
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: You never know, but if all of a sudden Kirk

1013
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: Cousins gets paid and go somewhere else, I think he's

1014
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: someone who can develop under Kevin O'Connell.

1015
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: I think mac Jones has played a potential. The Patriots

1016
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: just did not do him Justice the past two seasons.

1017
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, and when you bring in a head coach and

1018
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 4: Drod Mayo that's been in that building on that staff

1019
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 4: the previous year, there's just you just can't bring him

1020
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 4: back to New England considering everything that went on in

1021
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 4: that quarterback room.

1022
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: I'm looking at a team that was tied to him

1023
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: in the draft.

1024
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 4: How about going back up Brock Purty in San Francisco,

1025
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 4: because I do believe after these two seasons, Brock has

1026
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 4: solidified himself to whether he should not be looking over

1027
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 4: his shoulder by any stretch.

1028
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: If you bring him in right the.

1029
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 4: Way he played in the Super Bowl, the way he

1030
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 4: played again in his second season, I think this is

1031
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 4: a great spot for Mac Jones to learn to grow

1032
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 4: to read.

1033
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, kindle.

1034
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 4: His reputation around the NFL, and what better place to

1035
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 4: do it than with Kyle Shanahan. How about number two

1036
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 4: overall pick Zach will of the New York Jets. What

1037
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 4: do you think is in store for mister Wilson this season?

1038
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna be let go.

1039
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: You heard Woody Johnson the Ode or just basically say

1040
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: they had nothing at backup quarterback this year.

1041
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: So he won't be with the Jets this year.

1042
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: My thing is, if he wasn't the number two overall pick,

1043
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 2: he might be out.

1044
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 1: Of the league.

1045
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: He'll probably be in somebody's camp, you know, to compete

1046
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 2: for a backup job, maybe be the number three guy.

1047
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: I don't know, but he just hasn't. He's had opportunities,

1048
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: he just has not elevated. We can make all excuses

1049
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: we want, but I honestly he'll He'll probably get two

1050
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: or three shots, but I just don't even know if

1051
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: he'll make any more than a number three for some team.

1052
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Speaker 4: I had to see that real quick because I'm feeling

1053
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 4: exactly the same as Henson repeating it, like, would you

1054
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 4: rather have Zach Wilson or Drew Lock as your backup?

1055
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Speaker 1: Drew Lock?

1056
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 3: I think I'm taking Drew Lock.

1057
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Speaker 2: I'm taking Drew Lock all day. Drew Lock has got

1058
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: something to him. Even saw last year when he came in,

1059
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 2: the teammates followed him. That didn't happen.

1060
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Speaker 3: Was that?

1061
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Speaker 1: So I would take Drew Locke all day With that one,

1062
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Speaker 1: I wanted to put that out there.

1063
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, real quick, only twenty seconds. Gardner minshew, our guy.

1064
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Speaker 4: We'll always have a job in the NFL. It's the

1065
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 4: exact opposite of what we're talking about with Zach Wilson.

1066
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Speaker 4: He has a value in every quarterback room. Steve, Yeah,

1067
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Speaker 4: Gardner Mitschew.

1068
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Speaker 2: He can go anywhere. The Colts I'm sure would love

1069
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Speaker 2: to keep him, you know. But he's someone, like you said,

1070
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Speaker 2: who's always gonna have a job.

1071
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Speaker 3: You know.

1072
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Speaker 1: We also as a job for at least another week.

1073
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Speaker 2: We do JP as Thel Report.

1074
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're here for you on podcast.

1075
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Speaker 2: We're at seven pm now and back next Tuesday, not Monday.

1076
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Speaker 2: Next Tuesday, I'll be in New Orleans at the HBCU

1077
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Speaker 2: Legacy Mold JP. You'll be there at your beautiful home

1078
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Speaker 2: in Colorado. You'll get the final words, sir.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: And with us doing this because of the holiday on Tuesday,

1081
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Speaker 4: I get to ski on Monday.

1082
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Speaker 3: Very excited.

1083
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 4: And we have a monster guest with Steve just to

1084
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 4: tease it real quick for next week's show, make sure

1085
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Speaker 4: you tune into the NFL Report or listen whatever you choose.