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Speaker 1: we will look ahead and preview the Giants Bills game

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Speaker 1: coming up this Sunday, the regular season home opener at

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Speaker 1: MetLife Stadium. Will also go over what some of the

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Speaker 1: press conferences brought to the forefront. Both coordinators spoke, I

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Speaker 1: should say all three coordinators spoke, and we also had

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to chat with head coach Pat Shermer. But

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Speaker 1: let's start Paul with practice, because just a few moments

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Speaker 1: ago the media was allowed to observe the early stages

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Speaker 1: of practice and Sterling Shepherd, Cody Lattimer, and Darius Slayton

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Speaker 1: all on the side at the wide receiver position. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Giants did resigned t J. Jones yesterday, which I'm

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Speaker 1: sure is partially an insurance policy for Sterling Shepherd. That

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Speaker 1: was a move to give them some edit depth at

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Speaker 1: the Y receiver position, plus a guy that is extremely

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Speaker 1: familiar with the scheme because he was here for the

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Speaker 1: majority of training camp as well as the preseason, and

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Speaker 1: he's adepted playing the slot absolutely and also to contribute

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Speaker 1: on special teams too, which is important to note now.

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Speaker 1: When Pat Shermer spoke with the reporters earlier today, he

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Speaker 1: said that Shepherd made progress Sterling Shepherd, of course I'm

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Speaker 1: referring to, but still nowhere near an indication with definitiveness

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Speaker 1: you figure he is a prototypical slot receiver, and that

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Speaker 1: says to me that they don't think their slot receivers

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Speaker 1: going to be there at least that that's that's how

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Speaker 1: I interpret I think that's a fair interpret and quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: a very small percentage of concussion protocol guys come back

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Speaker 1: within a week's time and don't miss a game. Well,

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Speaker 1: the percentages are certainly against him with respect to that.

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Speaker 1: Plus keep in mind it's also not just a matter

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Speaker 1: of him overcoming the hurdles, Paul, of getting the Giants

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Speaker 1: medical staff to clear in there's an independent doctor is

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Speaker 1: totally out of your hands. And I actually like that,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, because I remember back in the in

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Speaker 1: the eighties when the Redskins used to do a lot

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Speaker 1: of finagling with the injured list, when you were able

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Speaker 1: to put guys on the injured list without losing them

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Speaker 1: for the season, and the Skins would hide as many

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Speaker 1: time or another because they were finagling with it. I

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Speaker 1: think it's great that a serious issue such as a

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Speaker 1: concussion has to go through an independent medical staff and

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Speaker 1: they go through their standard sets of tests. My issue

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Speaker 1: their because of the independent medical folks, why can't that

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Speaker 1: team replace that guy on the roster without having to

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Speaker 1: for the week that he is in concussion protocol because

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Speaker 1: there's no chicanery going on. If the league medical people

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Speaker 1: say he can't play, he's out, why should you be

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Speaker 1: penalized for that? If they're if they're talking about safety concerns,

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Speaker 1: will give that coach his full compliment. The players, don't

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Speaker 1: punish the coach because he's lost a guide to a concussion.

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Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. Allow that coach to have

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Speaker 1: a practice squad move free of roster charge. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's got to pay the player for that week or

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Speaker 1: two weeks whatever he's on the active roster. They have

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Speaker 1: to give him the regular minimum. So the guy does

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Speaker 1: him a raise, but you should be allowed to make

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Speaker 1: that move without affecting your fifty three. And furthermore, you

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Speaker 1: should be allowed to then put that player back on

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Speaker 1: he doesn't necessarily have to be claimed by somebody. I

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Speaker 1: the coach to replace him. Well, this goes back to

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Speaker 1: Paul year round. It should be those are the ten

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Speaker 1: and then you're gonna get into weeks where teams are

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Speaker 1: that's why they wanted more balanced across the board, and

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Speaker 1: I don't see how that applies at all to it. Well,

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Speaker 1: guess you do not be allowed to replace those guys.

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Speaker 1: You're not You're not doing anything except hurting these teams.

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Speaker 1: When the league says he's in concussion protocol, he can't play,

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Speaker 1: he is ineligible. It's almost like when a guy is

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Speaker 1: you're not allowed to have him. It's almost one of

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Speaker 1: you got a guy suspended, but you can place the

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Speaker 1: as the suspend because the concussion protoc is still controlling

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Speaker 1: it well. But the concussion is considered no different than

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Speaker 1: any other injury that any other player can suffer. It's

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Speaker 1: totally different because different supervised supervision involved, like the other

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Speaker 1: I think. I think going on the injury report the

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Speaker 1: independent list, Okay, the mandate is independent, so there's no

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, there's a lot of things we could

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Speaker 1: medical side stepped down off my soapbox, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's safe. Well, well, that goes without saying. I'm glad

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Speaker 1: we had to clarify, that is, if we didn't know

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Speaker 1: wide receiver position, Cody Lattimer is the latest guy that

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Speaker 1: was newsworthy because we have not seen him on this

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Speaker 1: I think the T. J. Jones move, I would agree

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Speaker 1: it was also made because of Cody Latimer's status now

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Speaker 1: seen the practice report because they're just going to start practice,

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Speaker 1: now it's sort of a gray area in terms of

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Speaker 1: At least Sterling Shepherd was lightly jogging. By the way,

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Speaker 1: rain coming down as they practice outside. Nonetheless, Sterling Shepherd

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Speaker 1: which is certainly a good sign for him. He can't

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Speaker 1: so obviously that's the extent of how much he's allowed

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Speaker 1: said yesterday he's coming along, but not quick enough. It

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Speaker 1: that's not a good Yeah, that's not a good thing

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Speaker 1: because now, as you said Lattimer, who wasn't really doing

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Speaker 1: also good that those guys deep on the depth chart

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Speaker 1: moving forward here to Sunday's game. Now, before we open

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Speaker 1: I think people easily overlooked this team, Paul because of

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Speaker 1: They've got a very stingy front seven. They did a

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Speaker 1: certainly showed a lot of positives Sunday against the Cowboys. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the seventeen points is not reflective on how well they

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Speaker 1: moved the football, but you can't expect to win games.

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Speaker 1: Paul and I said this after the contest. As good

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Speaker 1: today's NFL. So the seventeen point it's is something that

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Speaker 1: I did pull my reins back just a little bit

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Speaker 1: What's happened to David? Hey, guys, good afternoon to you. Hey.

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Speaker 1: offense wasn't made for Eli. Like, I never want to

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Speaker 1: see you by rolling out, but maybe once or twice

430
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Speaker 1: a year, because why would you want to cut the

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Speaker 1: field in half? For Eli Manning? His greatest strength is

432
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Speaker 1: his mind. Why would you want to cut the field

433
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: in half and take half the field away from him

434
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: on those play acts and passes. He's not meant for

435
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: the West Coast. I'm sorry he's not, but I mean

436
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: that's that's the point of my call. I know I'll

437
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Speaker 1: get a lot of heat for that, but I mean

438
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Speaker 1: it's just a travesty that he's one way, one loss

439
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: away from a five record, And I mean, I get

440
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: you point. Listen, We'll let you go on that, Doe,

441
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Speaker 1: And I appreciate the phone call. Eli man Ing and

442
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: the Giants are one loss away from five hundred during

443
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Speaker 1: Eli Manning's tenure. It's not Eli Manning's record, it's the

444
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Speaker 1: Giants record as Eli Manning is Costani quarterback. Because you know,

445
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: I get where the call is coming from and he's

446
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: entitled to his opinion. That's fine. I'm not here to

447
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: determine who's right or wrong. But if you're gonna make

448
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: that conversation and you're gonna talk about it's getting like

449
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: groundhogs day, then let's at least talk about the defense

450
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: to Paul over the last few years, because you know,

451
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: the caller didn't talk about anything that the Giants put

452
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: themselves in a very tough predicament. And granted the offense

453
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 1: had opportunities and didn't deliver. I'm not gonna put that

454
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Speaker 1: to the side, but the defense gave up seven pass

455
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: plays of twenty or more yards. Are we not going

456
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Speaker 1: to at least have that as part of the conversation.

457
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that has nothing to do with Eli Manning

458
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Speaker 1: nor the offense. And and there were a lot of

459
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Speaker 1: breakdowns on that side of things that no matter how

460
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: great your quarterback is, it's very difficult to overcome those circumstances,

461
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: even if you had Tom Brady, Iron Rodgers, Philip Rivers,

462
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: you name it. I appreciate the Coal's frustration. Sounds like

463
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: a good guy, and and and he didn't didn't really

464
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Speaker 1: want to go off the tracks with his opinion and

465
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: he was trying hard not to, so I do appreciate

466
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Speaker 1: the way he tried to couch it. Uh. The thing

467
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Speaker 1: about Eli rolling out and I tend to agree, I

468
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: would rather have gone to another play on that fourth

469
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: down rollout, Uh, I would say this. Their explanation, Mike Schuler's,

470
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Speaker 1: was that during the last part of last season, the

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Speaker 1: final third, I believe it was, they actually succeeded a

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Speaker 1: lot on those rollouts. That was a very productive play

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Speaker 1: for them. In fact, if you remember, there were a

474
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Speaker 1: lot of people kind of dropping their jaws when Eli

475
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Speaker 1: was was making those completions out of rollout situations. People

476
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: were like, Wow, What's what's this Eli? All of a sudden, Hey,

477
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, he had a terrific second half of last season,

478
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Speaker 1: and part of the characteristics of what he was doing

479
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Speaker 1: were those rollouts. And it was surprising I think to

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Speaker 1: most people that you know, he was executing those styles

481
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Speaker 1: of plays. And so Mike Shula said today, because of

482
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Speaker 1: the success they had during the latter part of the

483
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: season last year with that style of play, they thought

484
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: it was a good opportunity to unveil it against the

485
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Speaker 1: Cowboys in a big spot. Now, the bad news is

486
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had called the perfect defense to stop it.

487
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: You had vander esh and you had Lawrence dead set

488
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Speaker 1: on Nail and Eli, and you had three defensive backs

489
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Speaker 1: of the Cowboys rolling with the two possible wide receivers

490
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Speaker 1: that the Giants had who were also running to the

491
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Speaker 1: same side as Eli was waggling out to the right sideline.

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Speaker 1: There was no way that play was going to work.

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Speaker 1: As it unfolded, it was impossible for that play to work. Honestly, Now,

494
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: could the officials have called the helmet the helmet on

495
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence? Absolutely, he lowered his head with the crown

496
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: and he smacked Elie helmet the helmet. I mean, you know,

497
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: there's no question about that didn't get called. And so

498
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: now we have people screaming about how Eli didn't convert

499
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Speaker 1: the fourth down. Whatever. Well, I gotta give credit to

500
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: the Cowboys defense to your point, and they got fastnightbackers

501
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: who cover east to west in the blink of an eye.

502
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: They had it very well read. I think the other

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Speaker 1: thing that I would add to what you said, Mike

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Speaker 1: Schuler also indicated that the reason why they liked those

505
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Speaker 1: rollout plays is the misdirection they feel that it could

506
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: provide to That was another part of the rationale that

507
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: he throughout that that they feel by moving Eli Manning

508
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: around and shifting the offense to one side, it has worked,

509
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Speaker 1: to your point in the past with respect to misdirections,

510
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Speaker 1: So that was part of it. Does it always work

511
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Speaker 1: out the way that they anticipated? No, But that's the

512
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Speaker 1: beauty of why we call it Monday quarterback. Everybody can

513
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: essentially look back and say, hey, which we went to

514
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: a different direction. I do think there are a lot

515
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Speaker 1: of logical reasons why you would have preferred to call

516
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Speaker 1: another play. We guardless of what defense the Cowboys were in,

517
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: but in this particular case, you have to just give

518
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Speaker 1: them credit for having the perfect defense to defend that play.

519
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: There's no way that play was going to succeed. It

520
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: had zero chance two zero one three. Let's head back

521
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Speaker 1: to the line. Scott is in New Mexico. Scott, Welcome

522
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: to Big Bloukigolf Live. What's happening, Hi, guys and Paul.

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Speaker 1: It's not Arizona is New Mexico. We have a war

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Speaker 1: with Arizona. I apologize to you, Okay, Uh, your conversation

525
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: leads into my very point. Uh, I'm not gonna denigrade Eli.

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Speaker 1: I think he's playing well. The real key that I

527
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: have a problem with is percentage plays, and I wanted

528
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: to get your opinion. If you agree, I'll give you

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Speaker 1: an example. I don't know if you know this statistic,

530
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: but when Sequon Buckley doesn't touch the ball more than

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Speaker 1: fifteen times, the Giants are one and nine, and that

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00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: statistic is available to Pat Shermer. He knows that just

533
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Speaker 1: as well as I know it. So I don't understand

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Speaker 1: the logic of the game plan that was called because

535
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Speaker 1: Dallas did not stop him pretty much the entire game.

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Speaker 1: So also, it's sort of like at the end of

537
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: the game or the end of the first half, they

538
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to kick a field goal and it

539
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: was granted about a sixty or sixty one year on

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Speaker 1: field goal, so they tried to hail Mary and percentile

541
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Speaker 1: wise or percentage wise, you're not going to score on

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Speaker 1: that play. And you have a kicker who can kick

543
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: a sixty two yard hicle, he's already proved it, and

544
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: they could have used those three points. Also, I went

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Speaker 1: back and took a look at excuse me, I took

546
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Speaker 1: a look at uh Catt s Shermer's record as an

547
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: offensive coordiner in the season. And I looked at the

548
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: running statistics and I think they had three runners who

549
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: were on the team. I think was Jared mckinnity, right,

550
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: and I think Dalvin Cook was the third. Combined, they

551
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: had yards of rushing. So Pat understands the importance of rushing,

552
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: and he understands the importance of having a back who

553
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: will probably not see again in the next five years

554
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: as good as the Colon Barkley. So percentages you run

555
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: that back until somebody can stop you. And I'm just wondering,

556
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: and again it's this, in my opinion, why does the

557
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: proverbed you know what have to hit the sand before

558
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: you actually react to something. Why didn't he know this

559
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: going into the game. And hopefully as we pretend the

560
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: season out to Buffalo, that all of this is going

561
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: to start to change. And I just wanted to get

562
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: your feedback on that. Boy, I can take this, uh,

563
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: really carefully because the field goal that you're talking about,

564
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Speaker 1: the sixth of one you order from Rosas. I had

565
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: a conversation with somebody in the building about that bit,

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Speaker 1: and I was quite frankly surprised that nobody else had

567
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: brought it up, so I brought it up on my

568
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: own to someone in the building and I said, I

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Speaker 1: really think that Rosas has a good shot to make that,

570
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: better shot than a hail Mary. And what was explained

571
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Speaker 1: to me that there was nine seconds left in the half.

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00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: Can we double check that on the game book? Nine

573
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Speaker 1: seconds left in the half. The problem is if Rosas

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Speaker 1: misses it. It's not about his ability to to kick

575
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: it long enough, but if he misses it, okay, You're

576
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: now given the ball to the Cowboys where they're now

577
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: going to have an opportunity because the field goal is

578
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: gonna run four or five seconds off the clock. You

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Speaker 1: are going to give Dallas now a chance to execute

580
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: their own hail Mary, if you will. And and my

581
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Speaker 1: understanding was there was a thought that if the clock

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Speaker 1: had been down to maybe five seconds or four seconds

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Speaker 1: where the kick would run it out, they would have

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00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: gone to Rosas. But they thought there were a few

585
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: too many ticks left on the clock. They simply did

586
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Speaker 1: not want Dallas to get another snap. That's the reason

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00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: I was giving Scott. You don't have to like that,

588
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: but that's the reason. Well, and what I'll what I'll

589
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: add to that guy. I think that rationale is kind

590
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: of woy, but it doesn't really well. But I did

591
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: question it, So I want you to know I don't

592
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: think you're crazy to ask well, and what I'll what

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Speaker 1: I'll add to that, Scott, Scott, just hold off here

594
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: one seconds. Got what I wanted to add to that part. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Thomas mcgahey also spoke to the media today, so mcgahey

596
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: was asked about I didn't get a chance that while

597
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: I was there, so I heard what Thomas mcgaye he said,

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Speaker 1: and he said that it was well within Aldrich rosas

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Speaker 1: his range. I think it is not a concern at all.

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Speaker 1: He said that they tested Rosas out before the game

601
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Speaker 1: and the fact that it's indoors the utmost confidence in

602
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: his correct but he said sixty one. No concern there.

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00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: He did, though, bring up, not necessarily the time element,

604
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: but the concern about if it does go short under

605
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: those circumstances and you have your field goal unit out there,

606
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: which is not necessarily your best coverage team, do you

607
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: want to give the Cowboys an opportunity to make something

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Speaker 1: happen at the right end of the half. That was

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Speaker 1: at least part of the conversation that was had as

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Speaker 1: you brought up, Paul, just now the pros and cons

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00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: of bringing out old rosas. Okay, So so that's that's

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00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: the the the logic behind it, whether or not you like,

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00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: it's just what they're saying. That's that's the purpose of it.

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00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: But it's good he asked the question, because I don't

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00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: think anybody else thought about it. So that's good for you.

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00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: And that's why I wanted to at least you know.

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Speaker 1: As far as the Barkley number, what did you say?

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Speaker 1: One nine when he has less than in the game?

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Speaker 1: There are two There are two issues that I would

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00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: have with that, and it would take me again to

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Speaker 1: peel back ladies of the Onion to go through it.

622
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: But obviously, when a game gets out of hand like

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Speaker 1: it does and the Giants are way behind, obviously Barkley's

624
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: going to half and catch it behind when they started

625
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: handing the ball off to Barkley. And so here's the

626
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: rub or here's where I have some where I'm irked

627
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: about all of this is that you had the opportunity

628
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: to keep handing the ball off to Barkley because Dallas

629
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: showed no ability to stop him, and so that being

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00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: the case, how the Titans. Have you heard where you

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00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: give it to a back until you have until somebody

632
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: proves you. But it was yeah, but Scott, it was

633
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: twenty eight to ten with just under ten minutes to

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00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: go in the third quarter. Okay, so I mean you're

635
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: down eighteen points. It's understandable three scores. Yeah, I mean

636
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: that's a sizeable deficit. We're talking about if it's a

637
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 1: one possession game at ten point deficit. I completely understand

638
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: where you're coming from. I mean that is talking about

639
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: but the first half they did from the first half, well,

640
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: but I held you seventeen plays though, Scott, that's seventeen plays.

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00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: Barkley had seven touches in the first half, so of

642
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: the se well, I don't know how much the touches

643
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: came in that last drive because I'm removing the two

644
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: minute drill, but seven they had seventeen legitimate plays got

645
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: so it's it's hard to criticize with seventeen plays that

646
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: they weren't running the ball enough with say Kwan Barkley.

647
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: And besides, I don't want to fight you over the

648
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: Dallas game, but just trying to understand, well, here's the

649
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: when you play football, if you go with the chance

650
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: to win. Yeah, but I got I got a hunch

651
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: that if you looked at the other eight losses in

652
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: this situation, and I'm sure you don't have the specifics

653
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: in front of you, I'm sure that the Giants were

654
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: well behind in those games. And that's why they abandoned Barkley,

655
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: which makes perfect sense. I mean, that's why game flow

656
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: has to be brought in. Phil Mushnick in the Post

657
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: loves to write in his column, I know you're not

658
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: from New York, but Scott Phil Mushnick is a very

659
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: popular writer here in New York, and he loves to

660
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: criticize things that are set on TV. And one of

661
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: his favorite pet peeves that he constantly brings up in

662
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: his article is how many times an announcial will say

663
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: such and such a team has a winning percentage when

664
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: they run for at least a hundred yards. And his

665
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: comment is no kidding, because usually when they have a league,

666
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: they run the ball more and they're total is gonna

667
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: go over hundred yards. Well, so he laughs at that,

668
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: And this in a way is a similar type of

669
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: statistic in my opinion, And and and the other thing

670
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: I would say, and this is the other thing that's

671
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: very very important here, and that is that's that also

672
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: includes last year with an offensive line quite frankly that

673
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: during the first half of the year was very substandard,

674
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: got better in the second half of the year as

675
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: a past protecting line, but was not a terrific run

676
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: blocking line. A lot of what Barkley did last year

677
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: was on his own because that line was not nearly

678
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: as accomplished as this line. So when you take that

679
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: into account, if I'm the head coach, I'll be honest

680
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: with you, there are times if I'm behind, even by

681
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: a touchdown or two, I'm not running the ball because

682
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: I don't trust my line to block it. Right, That's

683
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: not the case this year, So well, I'll be able

684
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: to to one game. This year's one game. I mean,

685
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, you want to give me a trend, you're

686
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: giving me a statua now now it's just one game

687
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: with this line, So you can't do that. The other

688
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: thing that also shouldn't be overlooked as the fact the

689
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: Giants won five games last year. Scott. So while you

690
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: say there one in nine when he has less than

691
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: fifteen touches, Okay, so there are four and three then,

692
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: which is also a very small sample size. When he

693
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: gets more than fifteen touches, it's not as if they're

694
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: ten and one when you give him the ball sixteen times.

695
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: Get that. My last question, I'm going to take it

696
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: off the air, is basically the third down conversions, which

697
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: are obviously tan't amount to how you have time of possession.

698
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: But right now, statistically last year the Giants for a

699
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: thirty six percent in conversion. They're obviously lower now this year.

700
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: My question is looking at the offense as you're looking

701
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: at it now, and I know there's injuries, what do

702
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: you think are the things the Giants really need to

703
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: do to change that around and actually start converting. And

704
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: I'll take your appreciate the vocal. Well, i mean, based

705
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys game, they've got to avoid the penalties.

706
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: It was an absolute killer. I've got the numbers in

707
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: front of me here. There were two of eleven on

708
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: third down. Six downs were for five yards or less. Okay,

709
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: that's not terrible. Five for eight yards or more, including

710
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: a seventeen yard conversion that they were forced to get. Well,

711
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: you had a Will Hernandez holding penalty which put them

712
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: in uh second and twenty, and then you had Cody

713
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: Latimer a pass interference call, Paul, which set up a

714
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: first and twenty or maybe it was vice version. The

715
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: bottom line is they faced the first and twenty and

716
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: a second twenty as a result of those two killer penalties,

717
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: and that's a big reason why they had to face

718
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: third and longs. And what are are the play calling

719
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: options when you're facing a seventeen yard conversion, Paul? That

720
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: limits your play calling opportunities and also, you know, gives

721
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: the defense and opportunity to say, hey, we're just gonna

722
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: make sure we keep everybody in front of the line,

723
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: so to that changes a lot of the dynamics. The

724
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: penalties were absolute killers for the Giants on offense. I

725
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: think the number when third and five or longer last

726
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: week in Dallas the Giants were over six. I don't

727
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: have that exact number, but I believe that at one

728
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: point Dallas. Dallas put the Giants in a position where

729
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: I think they were oh for five on their first

730
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: five third down conversions. So if it goes men from

731
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: mince Finn into what you're talking about, then that's extremely accurate. Yeah,

732
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, and see for me again, You've got to

733
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: understand that those long conversions are going to be difficult,

734
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: especially when you don't have a speed demon on the

735
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: field that receiver. And that's where the Darius Slayton injury

736
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: really really hurts this team. And if I might add,

737
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: the Golden Tate suspension hurts this team too. Not necessarily

738
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: in third and seventeen or something of that nature, but

739
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: in the third and eight, third and nine. Golden Tate

740
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: has made a career out of gobbling up first downs.

741
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: That's what he does, really, really, really well. That's that's

742
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: a big loss here in the first month of the season.

743
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: Now that we think the Giants could do a lot

744
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: of the things they needed to do in the passing

745
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: game with their other veteran receivers. Yes, but if there's

746
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: one thing that Tate really has a knack for, it's

747
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: gobbling up medium range first downs. And he does that

748
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: better at anybody else in the room. Well, and he's

749
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: great at yak yardage too well, and that's one of

750
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: the reasons that he does what he does. Yeah, no,

751
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: all of these things are relevant. I actually spoke to

752
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: evn Ingram, David Deal and I when we're doing our

753
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: NFL radio series show. The other day we had Evan

754
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: on and one of the questions I asked him, I said,

755
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: you know too for eleven on third down, when you

756
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: went back to the film, what was your biggest takeaway,

757
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: Because it's a fair question that the last caller posed.

758
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 1: You know, you look at those numbers and they jump

759
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: off the page, but for all the wrong reasons. And

760
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: now one of the things he pointed out was the

761
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: penalties put us in a very tough circumstance. And you know,

762
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: also the lack of execution in some of those short

763
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 1: yarded situations. For example, the third and two with Eli Penny.

764
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: That was the play you were talking about earlier, poular right,

765
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: no push from the offensive line. And remember the third

766
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: and one was another penalty, the intentional ground and call. Now,

767
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: whether you agree or disagree with the call is irrelevant, Paul.

768
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: The bottom line is there's another example where a penalty

769
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: prevented you from converting on a short yarded situation. Those

770
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: are the facts when we could sit here and say

771
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: it should it have an intentional grounding, And I wouldn't

772
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: disagree with anybody that says that. I thought it was

773
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: extremely borderline based on my interpretation. But the reality is, Paul,

774
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: it was a call. It happened. We can't eliminate it

775
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: and change it. The Giants are not gonna get a

776
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: redo on third and one, so I'm gonna get it.

777
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: I get irritated. And when people take the argument it

778
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: was a bad call, okay, well what would you want

779
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: to do? Do you want the league office to put

780
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: the cowboys in the Giants back on the field and

781
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: you want them to simulate that drive. That's not happening.

782
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: So why are we gonna now waste our time talking

783
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: about how bad a call it was. It's the same

784
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: thing with Saints fans. I'm sorry, I'm gonna go off

785
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: on a tangent here. Saints fans to this day is

786
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: still whining about what happened in the NFC Championship game.

787
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: What would you like to lead to do? What would

788
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: you like to lead to do? It's done. It's done.

789
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 1: But you also had an opportunity in overtime, by the way,

790
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: with a possession to overcome. I'm not going off on

791
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: a tangent, but that's why I'm saying, you can't redo

792
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: what was already done. Let's head back to the phone

793
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: lines and we check in with Giovanni in New York,

794
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: who joins us here on Big Blue Kickoff Life. What's

795
00:40:54,719 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: happened to Giovanni? Hey, guys, how are you doing. I

796
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: just have one quick question and I'll take your answer

797
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: off the air. But it's a bit random. There's an

798
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: old college player. His name is Shawn Oakman. He was

799
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: like wrongfully accused of a crime. But um, I just

800
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: wanted to know how realistic it would be for the

801
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: Giants to get him, or like even if he'd be

802
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: on the radar or anything like that. I mean, he's

803
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: a big dude and he's he had a lot of

804
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: production in college, so I just wanted to know what

805
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: the chances are. I just think that when he was

806
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: coming out, there were so many red flags that NFL

807
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: folks just shied away. And so, you know, until somebody

808
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: tells me that he is on the radar of the league,

809
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: there's no point in me even talking about him. We're

810
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: considering him, Yeah, I mean, he went undrafted and appreciate

811
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: the phone call, Thanks so much for Wayne in. Giovanni

812
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: undrafted in two thousand sixteen and since then really hasn't

813
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: had an opportunity. So I think some of the off

814
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: the field issues would be a fair explanation as to

815
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: why he is not circulated throughout the league. Also, I

816
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: think you need to also take the consideration the fact

817
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: that he was removed from the Penn State football team too,

818
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: and that stems back to his college days, which proves

819
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 1: there's a track record of coaches and staffs and evaluators

820
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: questioning whether or not he could be a productive player.

821
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines as we move along.

822
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: Let's check in with Len in Columbia, Maryland. Len, what's happening? Hey, guys,

823
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: what's happening? Like, how you doing? All right? You know,

824
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: my my, my head is spinning with this, Eli Maloney.

825
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: I mean he's only one half his games. I mean

826
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: he's a five. I mean, it's it's it's not it's

827
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: not like you're pitching in the major leagues. I mean,

828
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: it's football. It's not. It's not just the one guy.

829
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: And besides that, if we want to concentrate on that,

830
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 1: the guy has started like two games, which means he's

831
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: one about a hundred wwny how many? How many quarterbacks

832
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: in the league of one games? How many games? And

833
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: two Super Bowls? And been the most valuable player in

834
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: both of those Super Bowls. I mean, come on with

835
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: that phony stat I mean, that's just Paul, that's just

836
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: off to I don't get that thinking. I just I

837
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: don't get it. The quarterback record, but I mean, how

838
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: many quarterbacks starting on Sunday. He's in the top twelve

839
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: all time if it means just to answer your question,

840
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: in terms of career victories by a quarterback, he's in

841
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: the top twelve all time. But I go back to

842
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: what Land said, it's about the team's record when the

843
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: quarterbacks started games. It's really not the quarterbacks record. I'm

844
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: a firm believer in that anybody who quotes a quarterbacks

845
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: record doesn't really understand pro football and they're very shallow minded.

846
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: What let me let me just saw two more things

847
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: than anybody Eli, and then I'll try to say something

848
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: about Buffalo if you guys will give me to um um.

849
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: You know at Lance made a very good made a

850
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: very good point at this at the start of this,

851
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: at the start of that discussion. You know he's not

852
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: throwing the ball down the field. Well, when Daniel came

853
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: in the game, he'd be joint to three balls to

854
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: the outside, gained seventeen yards. He threw one ball down

855
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: the field and he and he ran the other time.

856
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: I mean that that's as Lance said, that's what the

857
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: Cowboys were giving us. The other thing is if you

858
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: start forcing the ball down the field, even down near

859
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: the goal line on that rollout, PAULI um, I mean

860
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: this defense can't stand turnovers from the offense. I mean

861
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: turnover to this defense the way they played Sunday and

862
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: assuming they're gonna be better this coming Sunday, I mean,

863
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: it's almost it's almost overwhelming. You can't afford I mean,

864
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: you can't take those kinds of chances. I mean you gotta,

865
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: you know, oh you gotta. You gotta take what the

866
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: defense give you. I get the ball in Barkley's hand

867
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: as I understand all of that, and I'm, you know,

868
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: I come down in favor of giving them ball. It's

869
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: what Scott's from the Mexico at It A great talking

870
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I was a great talking point. I was

871
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: going I want her to talk about. I was actually

872
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: gonna ask in the five wins that the Giants had

873
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: last year, how many touches did Barkeley have? But you know,

874
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: I mean, don't look that up that But that's the

875
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: way I was going to pose the question. But it

876
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: was a very very good question from Scott in an event,

877
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, and you know that rule the rule out

878
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: of play that place, not that play is not designed

879
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: to end up the way it ended up to get

880
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: the fumble. For a second, Okay, I'm designed to have

881
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: that coverage fault. I mean, forget, you shouldn't have eli role,

882
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: not even that that just that whope. I mean there

883
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: were eight guys in white shirts surrounding Eui and the receivers.

884
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: It was brutal. It was brutal. It looked like Dallas

885
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: knew the play before the snap. It's almost like, well,

886
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, I wondered Paul. I didn't want to right

887
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: away because I'm not I'm not smart enough to do that.

888
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: But twenty four hours later I was wondering, did we

889
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: kip that place somehow? That's a good question. I don't

890
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: know that they just think there's so much better than us,

891
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: will guess that this is what this is what they're

892
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: gonna do. You know what play was? It was. It

893
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: was a miserable. The whole thing was miserable. And sometimes

894
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: you just have to tip your tip your cap to

895
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: the other team and say that in every facet they

896
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: were better that day. That's for sure. For sure they

897
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: put Yes, absolutely, they put better players out on the

898
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: field that day. And that's what happens. When you put

899
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: better players overwhelming like they did that day, you're gonna

900
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: have an outcome like that. It's amazing the Cowboys to me, jeez,

901
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: come on, is Daniel Jones a top thirty quarterback right now?

902
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: How could anybody? How could anybody? How could anybody fairly say?

903
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: And I like the promise, but he's not a top thirty?

904
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: Come on? But what's the questions? Irrelevant? Yeah? I mean,

905
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 1: why are we bringing this up anyway? What is it about?

906
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: Everybody wants this guy to start? Listen, Eli Man is

907
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback until anything changes, There's no point of

908
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: having this conversation. What else? What else? What else? What

909
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: else did you want? Because we got some other callers

910
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: and I want to make sure we squeeze them in.

911
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: So what was your other point? Okay, one one quick

912
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: point on the builds. Look, that's a good that's a

913
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: good defense against the run, especially, but listen, it's not

914
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: the seal curtain. Make no, we should beat we should

915
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: beat the Bills on Sunday. We should move the ball.

916
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: It's our home opener. Let's go Giants, comeback Sunday. Thanks

917
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: for taking my appreciate the phone call. I just want

918
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: to add one very simple analogy. And it's not food. Okay,

919
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna like refreshing because it's not food. Yes, basically,

920
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: what happened this past Sunday and I underestimated the Cowboys.

921
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: I didn't expect them to come out in Week one

922
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: like a well oiled machine. They looked like a team

923
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: that was in their third month of the schedule because

924
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 1: they were just so smooth on both sides of the ball.

925
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody anticipates a team operating at peak

926
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: efficiency in week one because we know how the NFL

927
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: is today, where Week one is almost like week five

928
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: of the preseason. So I give the Cowboys credit for

929
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: for being a well oiled machine right out of the box.

930
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: So let me just say that first, they look like

931
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: a true contender for the conference championship, and I did

932
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: not expect to see that out of them in Week one,

933
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: especially with so many starters who had missed time during

934
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: the preseason. But what what it turned out to be

935
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, if I may use a boxing analogy, looked

936
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: like a true heavyweight in the ring. The Giants look

937
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: like on Sunday a middleweight in the ring, and they

938
00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: got bashed and not silly by a heavyweight in Sunday Battle.

939
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: They were totally outclassed, outpowered, out muscled, and in every

940
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: way right. It was a knockout, a brutal knockout. This week,

941
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: the Giants are fighting another middleweight. This is a middleweight

942
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: team going against another middleweight team. There should be no

943
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: way that the Bills outclassed the Giants in any area.

944
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: On Sunday. This should be a very competitive game because

945
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 1: these are two middleweights going at it, not a middleweight

946
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: going up against the heavyweight. I don't think though, that

947
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: the defense I would classify as middleweight. You want to

948
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: say the offense is not necessarily explosive. That's fine breaking

949
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: down individual areas. I'm saying as a whole. As a whole,

950
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: Giants are a middleweight team. They were a team that's

951
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: hoping to strive for a five hundred season or maybe better,

952
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: and I think the Bills are in the same boat.

953
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't think if you're the Buffalo Bills. You can

954
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: be dreaming about anything more than to find fair assessment.

955
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna well, but I guess what I'm saying

956
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: is is that you know, the last caller talked about

957
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: they should be able to move the football, they should

958
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: be able to score points. I personally think the Bill's

959
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: defense may even be better than the Cowboys defense. You do, yes,

960
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: So if you want to look at that through that lens,

961
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be as easy as perhaps

962
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: some people make it sound to be. I would be

963
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,720
Speaker 1: surprised if they performed better than Dallas did in Weekness

964
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: is a very good, good defense, and it was a

965
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: good defense last year. I forget the one game against

966
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 1: the Jets. I'm going by the fact that that core

967
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: has returned, that core has played well with one another

968
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: for some time, Okay, and they just added at Oliver.

969
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: That's what I'm referring to. I'm not just having these

970
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: dreams of grandeur based on one performance. Now, do I

971
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: think the Giants defense has a much easier challenge from

972
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: an offensive standpoint compared to what the Cowboys pose. You

973
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: won't see me disagree with that. I think you make

974
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 1: a case that the bill is defense may be better

975
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: than Dallas. Is that secondary is a very stingy group

976
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: that was number one against the past last He's why

977
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: because those guys are good in coverage and even when

978
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: they don't get home against the quarterback, they feel good

979
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: about leaving those guys out on an island and say, hey,

980
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna win your individual battles. You like Michael Hyde

981
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: and Free Safe. I really like Michael Hyde. You do

982
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: this guy pro Bowl level caliber player we're talking about,

983
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: and Jordan Poyer who came over from Cleveland also playing

984
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: at a very high rate. Trip Davis White their cornerback.

985
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: You want to talk about their other cornerbacks. I really

986
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: like it. And because you usually put the Cowboys on

987
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: a pedestal better than the Cowboys, tell me what I'm

988
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: saying is is that Lorenzo Alexander is a seasoned pro

989
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: okay who is not that far removed from being a

990
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl level players. By the way, he's hurt, he's hurt,

991
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: by the way, well, he was on the injury report.

992
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 1: He was report yester report. I thought it was rest

993
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: though I did not see he was on the injury

994
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: report yesterday. For keep talking, well, I'll look it up

995
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: because I have it here in front of me. I'm

996
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,959
Speaker 1: pretty sure Lorenzo Alexander was on the injury report for Rest.

997
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Alexander was rest on the injury report here, I

998
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: have it right here. John Brown was rest, and Tie

999
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: and Seki their offensive linemen. All three guys are on

1000
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: the injury report for Rest, so I would not be

1001
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: worried about his Tarron Johnson hamstrings starting corner. Yeah, he's

1002
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: their nickel corner. Correct, No, and that should be concerning

1003
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: for them. I don't. I don't see this defense being

1004
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: as good as Dallas. I'm just surprised you would argue otherwise. Well,

1005
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: once again, that's fine. I think that Tremaine Edmonds is

1006
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: a young, versatile linebacker. Matt Milano has been a solid

1007
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: guy for them over the last few seasons. Are they

1008
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: late in Van Dressian Jaylen Smith? No, But I'm looking

1009
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: at it more as the unit overall, because the Cowboys

1010
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: defense up front to Marcus Lawrence, Tyrold Crawford, I think

1011
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: he got some more heavy lifters up front here with

1012
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: Jerry Hughes and Oliver and Trent Murphy, a solid veteran

1013
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, formerly the Redskins. I I once again, I

1014
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: think it's fair to say that this defense can be

1015
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: easily overlooked compared to some other units that have Well,

1016
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: that's why I think it's easy to more than the

1017
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: than the Cowboys do. So they will take more chances,

1018
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: which a little bit more. The risk reward factor changes

1019
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: a lot, and it also means there are more opportunities

1020
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: for you to make plays if you can hit them. Well,

1021
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: that's the biggest saying. That's the big They are more aggressive,

1022
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: I would agree with you than Dallas, and they take

1023
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: more chances. That's a very fair assessment. Let's head back

1024
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: to the lines as we for Let's go to g

1025
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, g Welco the Big Blue kick Off Live.

1026
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 1: What do you got for us? He's taking it? What's

1027
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: on your mind? Basically, I like to talk about two players,

1028
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: say Kwan and and Tony Hamilton's quarterback. Yeah Um, as

1029
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: far as I say, I think that we all know

1030
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 1: that he's a very special back, and but I think

1031
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 1: the philosophy needs to change on the usage of say

1032
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: Kuan Um. He's not like most backs as far as

1033
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: running the ball, which we know. As far as Thomas

1034
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: possession um, he doesn't really eat up a lot of

1035
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: time on the clock. When he runs. It's even you

1036
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: know you may get a loss, or you're gonna get

1037
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: fifty nine your run or twenty yard thirty forty yard

1038
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: run from him. So I just think that we definitely

1039
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: need to be feeding him more the ball mark because

1040
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: you never know what you're gonna get out of him.

1041
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: So you know, so with a back like say Kuan,

1042
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: I think it definitely changes the philosophy um of the

1043
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: running game. I don't think there's a lot of backs

1044
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: in the league that's like him that you know that

1045
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: that any NFL team has um currently, I think he's

1046
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: basically changed a lot. He's versatile, yeah, I mean, he's

1047
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: a versatil back, so you could use him in the

1048
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: passing game is an extension of the run game, there's

1049
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. The big thing though, is game flow,

1050
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: of course, has to be brought into the conversation because

1051
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: once again, if you're trailing by a noticeable death said,

1052
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: it's understandable you want to be able to try to

1053
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: move the football down the field much more so than

1054
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: just try to keep pounding it on the ground. I

1055
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: don't think that's a crazy philosophy under the circumstances, right right.

1056
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: But that's the thing. I don't think that is really

1057
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: a pound like he's not. I know he's big, but

1058
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: he's not really a pound back like he gets big

1059
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: chunks at a time. So I just think because of that,

1060
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: we can't have that same We need to definitely change

1061
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: that mindset because he's not like a Elliot or any

1062
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: other fact that you know five yeards at the time.

1063
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 1: I understand your point about that, but to be honest,

1064
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: when you talk about a pounding running game, you're more

1065
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: talking about the physicality of the offensive line. A pounding

1066
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: running attack or pounding ground game is more in indication

1067
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: of what the offensive lines style is and how they

1068
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: set things up for the guy who's running the ball

1069
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: behind them. And I do think that this Giant's offensive

1070
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: line is so much better in both pass protection and

1071
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: in terms of being able to pound it and grind

1072
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: it out, which is why I was so let down

1073
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: on that on that third and in one and a

1074
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: half when they did not get to push for Alijah Penny.

1075
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: That disappointed me immensely because I thought, I thought, and

1076
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: I think they would tell you they've got it a pride.

1077
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: They would tell you that's exactly the kind of play

1078
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: that they should be able to to push the line

1079
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and force the ball down somebody's throat. Right,

1080
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: But I'm just I'm I understand the hund of percent,

1081
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,959
Speaker 1: But I didn't think sakem is that special to the point,

1082
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: even say there wasn't space, sometimes he'd be able to create.

1083
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: Even he did that for a lot of times last year.

1084
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: It's like a no brainer. But but I know it

1085
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: that's gonna change. And as far as um Hamilton's starting,

1086
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: I know that Baker had an injury, UM so so

1087
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: that that's probably why the and and he's a rookie,

1088
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: so they wanted to go between the two. Coach did

1089
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: say that Baker's lingering soreness with the knee did limit

1090
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,240
Speaker 1: his snaps, but he didn't hint that he would expect

1091
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,479
Speaker 1: Baker to play more against the Bills. Right, And even

1092
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: Cory Valentine, I know that he's you know, from what

1093
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: I've been listening and coming down to um. You know,

1094
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: he has his bad days and practice on and so forth.

1095
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: But even with a kid like that, I think that

1096
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna he's gonna catch on as time

1097
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: goes on. And he's so special to a certain degree

1098
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: that even he as when you play cornerback, only takes

1099
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: his one pick to eliminate three catches on you. Right,

1100
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: So I think that you know, yeah, he's gonna give

1101
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: up a player two or three. But I'm sure in

1102
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: the game that somehow, in some way he has a

1103
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: knack for the ball. So a kid that have that

1104
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: type of talent, I think he needs to play more.

1105
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: Coach Coach did say, yeah. Coach did say today that

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00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: Valentine continued to improve the Elliott practice and he could

1107
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: see him competing for more snaps in the game. So

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00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: I don't think you're out of line with what you're saying,

1109
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: because I think it's very much on the front of

1110
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: the table right now. Okay, thank you, gentlemen. Beautiful reser call.

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00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: And even when James Becher spoke to the media today,

1112
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: he said, listen, our plans will let them reveal themselves

1113
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: in this next game. But I think that because of

1114
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: the time Baker missed during the course of the preseason,

1115
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: they weren't necessarily saying to themselves, are gonna give him

1116
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: a full alignment of snaps and game one right away.

1117
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: That's why they rotated him with Hamilton's let's head back

1118
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: to the lines. Kevin is in New Jersey. Kevin, welcome

1119
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: aboard the Big Blue kick Off Live. What do you

1120
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: got o? Hey? How you doing? Guys like Kevin? Yeah,

1121
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know this as a Giant, fans

1122
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: should not be overreacting about the defense because it's just

1123
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: like it was, this a scary moment last Sunday. Miss

1124
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: try to kind of stopped nobody and kind of tackle

1125
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: like I'm overreacting or it's just one game. We think

1126
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: it's a good to give these guys on Tom to

1127
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: gail each other. I'm gonna make this easy for you.

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00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: Many many years ago, a smart coach one said, you're

1129
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: never for as good as you look, and you're never

1130
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: as bad as you look, and especially after one game,

1131
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: it's it's not a true indicator of what this team

1132
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: is all about. And I would also again refer back

1133
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: to something that I said during the summer, and I

1134
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: said it again during the preseason, and I'm gonna say

1135
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: it again here today. If you're the Giants and you

1136
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: fasten yourself as a team that can be five hundred

1137
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: or maybe sneak into the wild card picture. You want

1138
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: to be no worse than two and two after September.

1139
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: Make it a twelve game season, and then hopefully if

1140
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: you can go seven and five in those last twelve

1141
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: games after being two and two, that means you're nine

1142
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: and seven and you're sniffing a possible wild card spot.

1143
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: But you gotta get to no worse than two and

1144
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: two after the first four. Right now, they're on in one.

1145
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: There's no reason why they can't be two and two

1146
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: by the end of September. For that matter, there's no

1147
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: reason why they can't be three and one by the

1148
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: end of September. So hold your water, call us back

1149
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: at the end of September, reevaluate. Then let's see what

1150
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: their record is after four games, and then we have

1151
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: a little bit more to chew on and figure out

1152
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: where this team needs to go and where they have

1153
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,439
Speaker 1: to go if they're going to accomplish any of their goals. Yeah,

1154
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: usually you need to see the first quarter of the season,

1155
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: I think to get a good grasp of a team.

1156
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: I will say this, there is youth on this team,

1157
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: and with youth comes ups and downs. That's the rookie

1158
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: learning curve, so that's one thing I think you have

1159
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: to at least account for. And also, the pass rush

1160
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: was a huge question mark coming into the season, and

1161
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: regardless of what happens moving forward, I still think it's

1162
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,479
Speaker 1: going to remain a big question mark, which also could

1163
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: fluctuate game to games. So you know, those two factors,

1164
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: which certainly were right front and center in game number one,

1165
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna necessarily just disappear overnight, even

1166
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: if the team does regroup and plays better in the

1167
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: upcoming gamers. Though, I think the point is the reactions

1168
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: that we're getting from everybody is that this team is

1169
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: owing four instead of owing one, and they're not owing four,

1170
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: they are owing one, and they still mathematically give me

1171
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: three and one after four games. And what if they

1172
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: are three and one at the end of September. Do

1173
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: you think anyone's gonna be crying about that? No? Not no.

1174
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: I mean the Cults are won in five last year

1175
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: and they wound up waking the playoffs. So listen, a

1176
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: lot of things can change overnight. We've seen that with

1177
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: the Giants even in previous years. Every season, though, is different,

1178
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: and I think once again Kevin to answer your question

1179
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: and appreciate the phone call. Thanks so much for weighing in.

1180
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: Is to you know, let's see what happens over these

1181
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: next three games. To Paul's point, until you round out

1182
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: the first quarter of the season. But remember, you know

1183
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna go up against different caliber quarterbacks, different caliber offenses.

1184
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: You have to take that into consideration. I will say this,

1185
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: I've compared the Bills to a middleweight. I think the

1186
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: Buccaneers are a middleweight. I think the Washington Redskins are

1187
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: no better than a middleweight. Well, I would agree that

1188
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: they're nowhere near the Cowboys territory. None of the next

1189
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: three year poments, none of these three opponents are in

1190
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: the class of the Dallas Cowboys in terms of and

1191
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: I think that was made very clear on Sunday. So

1192
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: put that into your calculator and see what your numbers

1193
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: come up to. Two zero five one three hashtag giants.

1194
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: Chat on Twitter. Charlie is in Portland, Maine. What's happening, Charlie?

1195
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: Hey Charlie, we're doing all right? What do you got

1196
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: for us? Hey? Do the reason why I kept keep

1197
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: Tony Well, I think last week was a perfect example,

1198
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: I think if you had if you had a veteran

1199
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: there instead of I think that might have helped a

1200
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: little bit. Well, you did have two veteran safeties though

1201
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: out there. In fairness, well, so that's what I'm saying.

1202
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: I don't think it was necessarily just switching out a

1203
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: veteran for a rookie vice versa. Do you understand that

1204
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: Tony Lippitt did not even play, He wasn't healthy for

1205
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: the Bengals last week? But Tony, how much? How much

1206
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: you have helped? Because Tony Lippitt is a former Giant

1207
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: who once suited up, knows the organization, and is a veteran,

1208
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: so that meets all the criteria that Charlie needs to

1209
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: sell you on a player. Charlie is not the GM.

1210
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. I think a lot of us are. Okay.

1211
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: The main reason I called was, well, that wasn't the

1212
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: main reason with yesterday, and it was about that. How

1213
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: fortunately for him with Tenny and I said they should

1214
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: have given it to Barkley. And the reason that he

1215
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: said it didn't matter because the play was stuff no

1216
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: matter who was back there. But if you remember, Barkley

1217
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: is a special talent. He could have known. He could

1218
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: have looked and see it was stuffed, and he could

1219
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: have gone and maybe uh you know, did uh you know,

1220
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: gone to the outside or remember that touchdown that he

1221
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: had when he flew four yards in the air and

1222
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: uh went over the top of the pole, right, Okay,

1223
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: so he he could have done that. So you know

1224
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: that it's like he could have never done that. That's

1225
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: not in his repertoire. Barkley back there, How do you

1226
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: know Barkley would not have made that there? It's hypothetical.

1227
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: You also don't know that he would have made it.

1228
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: I mean, we could argue both sides easily, that's fair, Charlie.

1229
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: I would only say one thing though, that because the

1230
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: Giants gave the ball to Penny as the full back

1231
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: out of the eye in that spot and asked him

1232
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: to go directly straight ahead, which is, by the way,

1233
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: the shortest distance between two points. Okay, we always cry

1234
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: when the Giants in a short yard of situation go wide,

1235
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: and everybody says, well, why are you going wide? That

1236
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: just makes no sense at all. You gotta take it

1237
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: straight ahead. The fact that they gave it depending to

1238
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: go straight ahead says to me that they had tremendous

1239
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: confidence in the offensive line, and they thought those guys

1240
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: could get the push to get the first down. That's

1241
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: what that says to me. They didn't give it to

1242
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: Penny to say you're not gonna make it, so we're

1243
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: gonna give it to you anyway. I gave it to

1244
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: him thinking the old line would get the push. I

1245
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: never heard of a coach saying we came up with

1246
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: a play and we felt that it was going to fail. Right,

1247
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: you find me a coach that draws up a plan

1248
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: says we absolutely have no confidence. What Deal was trying

1249
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,439
Speaker 1: to say was that no matter who was behind him,

1250
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: they never would have got it because the offensive line

1251
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: get to get a push. And what I'm saying is

1252
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: Barkley has more quivers. And I know that's strictly totally hypothetical,

1253
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: and and nobody's going to give you a right or

1254
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: wrong answer on that, because David and I talked about

1255
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: at lunch yesterday too, and David was on board with

1256
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: me that the responsibility on that play lies more with

1257
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: the offensive line than anybody else in the universe. And

1258
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: they didn't get the push. But I also said, total,

1259
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't you rather have Jacob's running a third one than

1260
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: Ward or Bradshaw understood that we were just going to

1261
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: block the saint. But the point did Jacob could push

1262
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: the pile. Jacob was a power back a third one

1263
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: ward our friend show. Yeah, I understand, Charlie, But to

1264
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: be quite frank with you, if you're strictly looking for

1265
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: a push there, Penny probably is more suited to a

1266
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: push than Barkley is. Barkley can do about twenty five

1267
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: other things better than a lie your Penny. But if

1268
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: you just want to say, go straight ahead and push,

1269
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: Penny's probably going to be as effective or maybe even

1270
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: better because he is a little bit more of that

1271
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: bowling ball type that you're just going to ram into

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Speaker 1: a pile. Yeah, that Jacob's example, with that parallel actually

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Speaker 1: makes more of a case to use Elijah Penny. It

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Speaker 1: sure does. It doesn't really help the Barkley cause with

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Speaker 1: your example, because Penny is more like Brandon Jacobs. If

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Speaker 1: you could compare the two, I still would give it

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Speaker 1: to my generational back every time. See here's the problem, Charlie.

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Speaker 1: You didn't have a bad idea. There was logic in

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Speaker 1: your idea, but then your rationale was totally in reverse,

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Speaker 1: and you kind of undid your own argument. That's the

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Speaker 1: Protestant in that department. So all right, Charlie as always

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Speaker 1: always a pleasure. I looked up the touches for Sae

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Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley in the five victories last season because it

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Speaker 1: came up with a lot of phone calls. Texans win

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Speaker 1: twenty two, the Niners twenty four, the Bucks twenty nine,

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Speaker 1: Bears twenty seven. That game went to over time. Remember

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Speaker 1: Redskins eighteen, which was the lopsided game. Now, I would

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Speaker 1: argue the common trait once again as we bring in

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Speaker 1: game flow into this conversation, Paul, just about all of

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Speaker 1: those games the Giants land at some point, okay, so

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Speaker 1: that enabled them to run the football or the game

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Speaker 1: was very close. Bingo. That's exactly what I was gonna

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Speaker 1: sum up. So you can't sell me on any of

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Speaker 1: those circumstances that the Giants had a huge deficit that

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Speaker 1: they had to overcome. I think the game flow enabled

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Speaker 1: Barkley to get those touches, and coincidentally, they also happened

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Speaker 1: to win the game. So for those who were curious

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Speaker 1: in terms of how many touches he had in the

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Speaker 1: five victories last season. That's exactly how it played out.

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Speaker 1: With that being said, that is going to wrap up

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