1 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to this episode of Keep It Positive. Sweetie. 2 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm Christophine Hazeley. 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 2: And today I have with me my dear, dear friend, 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: my brother from another mother, Deval Ellis. 5 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 3: What's up? 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: You know? 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: We got you? 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: Listen, they've been asking for you. No, can we get 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: di val At Kadeen on the couch. 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: Here, he's here, I'm here, we got him. 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 3: We appreciate you. I love this. I'm excited you Remember 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 3: when it was just a thought I thought and I 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 3: was here. I like it. I like you. 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, thank you so much. 15 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: When I think of you, Deval, I think anything pop smoke, 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: anything Brooklyn. 17 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: So what's a Brooklyn song? 18 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: Where? Brooklyn? Where Brooklyn? I got yup? You see what 19 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 3: I'm saying. 20 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: No, literally, that's what I think of because everywhere we go, 21 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: it does not matter where we are. 22 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: Devala is going to rep Brooklyn. We could be head 23 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: in the Atlanta Hawks game. Working. 24 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 3: What are you gonna bring that up? 25 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: Working? 26 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 3: An bring that? 27 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: Like? Who stand up? I got fired in State Farm Arena. 28 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: I can't do what are you doing? I can't do it? 29 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 2: You're like, and I'll do it again. 30 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: And that's why they don't ever bring me back up. 31 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 3: There have these swag surfing. 32 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody was like. 33 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 3: And they was playing the nets too. 34 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: It was crazy. 35 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy. 36 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: For those who don't know, let me tell you. Daval 37 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 2: Ellis is a former NFL player turned actor. Currently, he 38 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: is a serious regular and the number one cable television 39 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: drama series Tyler Perry's Sisters, and the star of his 40 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: very own number one rated spin off is The Team, 41 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: Though which he has the pleasure of playing opposite. 42 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 3: Truly talk about it, talking about it. 43 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: And can't leave this out. 44 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: You are also a New York Times bestseller for your 45 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: book Yes We Over Me, that you co worked with 46 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 2: your wife, Kadema Elis. Yes, amazing. I'm so happy you 47 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 2: are here. You are one of my closest friends. I 48 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 2: just love you. I look up to you, and I 49 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: admire you so much when I think about the first 50 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: time we met. The first time I actually saw you 51 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 2: was on Instagram and social media. Oh w, that was 52 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: my first introduction of you. But I never a word, 53 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 2: Like everybody. 54 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: Ain't seen you a word, but we got to. 55 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: The first time I actually met you in person or 56 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: saw you in person, was in the audition room. 57 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 1: Yup, for Sisters. 58 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: At the time, Fatima was a really small character that 59 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: hadn't yet been introduced. Yeah, and I was a producer 60 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 2: on the show, or still have a producer on the show. 61 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: But I was sitting in the back of the room 62 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: watching all the auditions with Tyler, and that's the first 63 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: time I got to see you as an actor and. 64 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, he has something special. Yeah, no, 65 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,839 Speaker 1: for real, for real. Then got to know each other 66 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: through Sisters. 67 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: I remember getting the call saying I'm gonna make you 68 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 2: Zach's girlfriend or his love interest, and I was like what. 69 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. When I first read it, I was like, I 70 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 3: was like, where's this going on. I didn't understand it. 71 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, y'all can't give me. 72 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, tall dark chocolate and that's 73 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: your tight too, your type too. 74 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 3: That is your type too. It is It's gonna. 75 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: Just put that in the atmosphere, tall dark chocolate and. 76 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: Some other things. 77 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: Cause I learned I gotta be careful what I say 78 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 2: because that's what God will bring me. And that's all 79 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: you have is just tall, dark frolic. 80 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: So I gotta be careful what I say. But I 81 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 1: remember when we got the call. 82 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: We started rehearsing together and at first it was just 83 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: like straight rehearses. One day you were like, so tell 84 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: me about yourself. We had never just had a conversation. 85 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: It was like, hey, I'm Crystal, Like do you want 86 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: to run it? 87 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 3: So like meek and I was like, First's the funny 88 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: thing is, I got the scripts and you know, there 89 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 3: were a couple of guys who had a crush on you. 90 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: Oh I remember they had a crush on you. I'm 91 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: not going to blow them up, but I got the 92 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: scripts and I'm reading the scripts and it says Zack 93 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: and Fatima and Zaki and Fatima, and then finally it 94 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: says Zak and Fatima started to have sex. So I 95 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: immediately called those guys. I said, well, well, well guys, 96 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: and they were pissed at me that letting y'all know. 97 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 3: But then we were also scared because you're also a 98 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 3: producer on the show. So I was like, this is 99 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 3: our boss, so like there has to be a level 100 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 3: of respect, you know, when dealing with this role. So 101 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 3: when you called me, I was just I was nervous. 102 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: I was like, she called me as a producer, as 103 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: an actor, and he was so meek on the phone, 104 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 3: and I was like, why is she so meat? Like, 105 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: you're a producer, you worked with Tyler all of these years. 106 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 3: I was nervous more than anything else. 107 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy. 108 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: And I was nervous because that was my first time 109 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: really acting, and then having the same partner like you, 110 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: who's had experience and been on all these shows. I'm like, 111 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: oh God, Okay, here we go. And I remember calling 112 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: you to rehearse because it was during the pandemic. No, 113 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: actually the pandemic hadn't happened yet. It's beginning of January. 114 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: It was the beginning of Remember, we got the call 115 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: we were gonna do it, and then in March, yep, 116 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 2: we got we got the call marks so we weren't 117 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: coming back because of COVID. So that was our initial interaction. 118 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 2: And here we are five years later, five years later, 119 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: but since twenty nineteen. 120 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 3: Yees, since twenty nineteen, but that was actually twenty twenty, 121 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 3: so four years later, four years later. But I do 122 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 3: remember us running lines the first couple of times, and 123 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: we were just like, yo. I kind of liked this 124 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: chemistry of where the story's going because at the time 125 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: you were paralegal and Zach just coming out of prison. 126 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: It was just like they can have like a coming 127 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: of age love story. Yeah, we were like, we're gonna 128 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: get our own show. 129 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 2: Literally said that it shows you the power of the time. 130 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: Guys. 131 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: We literally said this. And like two years later or 132 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 2: even less than that. 133 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 3: It was No, it was less than that. We sat 134 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 3: on the bed ready to do a scene and Tyler 135 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 3: walked in and walked in and said I like it. 136 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: I like this, and we looked at each other. 137 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: It's about. 138 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: We knew it at that moment. 139 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: I remember it had not been officially announced, and we 140 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 2: heard the crew whispering about the team was coming as 141 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: a teama because they saw it on the production calendar. 142 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 3: And we're like, we like talking about it. 143 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: And then I got the call, Yo, you got your 144 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 2: I was like. 145 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 3: You are lying to me? That was oh my gosh. 146 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 3: I was in bed. I was in bed with K. 147 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: He called me, and K was just looking at me 148 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 3: like she could tell that something was happening. Yeah, because 149 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 3: I was on the phone. Then I sat up and 150 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 3: I remember saying, you serious playing Yeah. She tooked up 151 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 3: like yeah, she looked nervous I was, and I told 152 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: her it was. It was an exciting time. 153 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: It really was history. That's amazing. 154 00:06:59,440 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 3: We did that. 155 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: We did we know, we really did that. 156 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: We manifested it. Yeah, we did it. 157 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 2: Speaking of manifesting, I feel like a lot of your 158 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: life has been manifested. 159 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take it back. 160 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: Let's go all the way back, because I want to 161 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: give people the full scope of de val, going all 162 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: the way back to being raised in Brooklyn, New York, 163 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: having these dreams. Did you always dream of being an 164 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: NFL star? Did you always dream of being an actor? 165 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: How did that come about? 166 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 3: I ever wanted to be in an NFL really, so, 167 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 3: how did that? 168 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: You were just that good one of my Yeah, you know, no. 169 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 3: This is a true story. My parents didn't want her. 170 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: My parents didn't want their kids in the streets in Brooklyn, 171 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: so they used to send us down to Morristown, Tennessee, 172 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 3: Tennessee every year for eight weeks, our grandparents. We went 173 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: down there. They had an acre and a half of grass, 174 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 3: they had trees, they had everything, and it was a 175 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 3: space for us to have some time to be away 176 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 3: from the city. All you have to do there is 177 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 3: ride bikes, run, jump, climb trees. Exactly that led man, 178 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: stay outside. If you come back inside, you inside all 179 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 3: day that. You know how country parents are. So I 180 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 3: remember going down to Morristown, Tennessee and just being super 181 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 3: athletic because we had nothing else to do. Like, all 182 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 3: we did was playing jump, run and race and run 183 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: up the hill. And they lived in the mountains, so 184 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 3: everything was uphill or downhill. So all that acceleration deceleration 185 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 3: made me athletic. But here's the thing that kind of 186 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 3: sparked my interest. We used to go to the Boys 187 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 3: Club when we turned thirteen. Then they turned it from 188 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 3: the Boys Club to the Boys and Girls Club of America. 189 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 3: And when they did that, they added Creative Arts. And 190 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 3: I remember being thirteen years old and I went back 191 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 3: into the Creative Arts Center and they were in there 192 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 3: singing and dancing and putting on plays, and I was like, 193 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 3: I want to do that. Wow. But here's the crazy part. 194 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: I'm a kid from Brooklyn and everybody who goes into 195 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:06,119 Speaker 3: the Creative Arts who's a male is looked at as soft, weak, gay, 196 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 3: you know. And this is the nineties, Yeah, different times. 197 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: It's a different time. No one is even speaking about 198 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 3: that type of lifestyle. So it was like, what do 199 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: I do. I'm gonna just play sports. I'm gonna just 200 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: ignore that part of my life and play sports. So 201 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 3: I did that, and I just told my parents I 202 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 3: was going to find a way to go to college 203 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 3: so that after I go to college, I could be 204 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 3: an artist. Wow. 205 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: That is amazing. 206 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: So when you so when you started playing how old 207 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: are you when you started playing football? 208 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 3: Sixteen? I was a basketball player. I could dunk when 209 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 3: I was in eighth grade. I'm not tall, I was 210 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 3: only five seven, and but I was crazy explosive, like 211 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 3: I said, being in Morristown. So my brother and my 212 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 3: cousin and I we were all just super athletic. And 213 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I'm gonna go to the NBA. 214 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: But my goal to go to the NBA was only 215 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 3: to make enough money so that I didn't have to 216 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: be a starving artist. 217 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: Wow. 218 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 3: And then yeah, that's that's literally the whole thing was 219 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 3: I'm gonna the NBA. So I looked at Alan Iverson. 220 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: He was like my size, and you know, I designed 221 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 3: my game around him. And then my basketball coach, you know, 222 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 3: he was he was a tough guy, but he wasn't 223 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 3: one of those guys that got kids in the college. 224 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: And then the football coach came and said, yo, you 225 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 3: five nine and you can dunk. This is when I 226 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: was a sophomore school. I'm dunk. Why don't you just 227 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 3: play football? I was like, man, anybody's playing no football 228 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty pounds. I said this to me, 229 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 3: said you want to go to school? Said yeah. He 230 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: said you want to go to school for free? I 231 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 3: said yeah. He said you played between the numbers and 232 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 3: the sideline. I'll get you to school for free. So 233 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 3: at sixteen years old, I picked up football. Wow, and 234 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 3: the rest was history. 235 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: The rest was history. That is crazy. So you go 236 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: to school at Hofstra. 237 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you were you drafted or did. 238 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 3: You wasn't drafted? I was first of all, I was 239 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 3: walking on at Hofstra. I was walking on. I was. 240 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 3: I was small at the time when I was being recruited. 241 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 3: And this is something for parents to understand. I was 242 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 3: seventeen when I played my last down in football in 243 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: high school. Because I was in school early, so I 244 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 3: didn't turn eighteen until the end of the year. But 245 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 3: that season I was seventeen. I was competing against eighteen 246 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: nineteen year olds, so I was only at the time, 247 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 3: five ten, one hundred and forty eight pounds. So all 248 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 3: the schools came and they were just like you wish 249 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: she was one hundred and forty fifteen. It cannot be 250 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 3: one hundred and forty pounds to stop that. But I 251 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 3: haven't been that way since high school. But I broke 252 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 3: a bunch of records. I got twenty six passes for 253 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 3: eight hundred and thirty one yards fifteen touchdowns. I thought 254 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 3: I was gonna get a scholarship. Offer never came, so 255 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 3: Hopshaw offered me a partial scholarship, which was just room 256 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: and boarding books. At the time, it's ten thousand dollars. 257 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 3: My parents had to pay fifteen thousand dollars for tuition. 258 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 3: So I told my parents, I said, YO, just let 259 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 3: me walk on. I'm gonna earn a scholarship. Once I 260 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 3: get the scholarship, my plan was to make a practice 261 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 3: squad in the NFL. I could make a undred thousand 262 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 3: dollars in four months, and those four months, I was 263 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: going to buy a brownstone in Brooklyn. Shout out to 264 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: Brooklyn ran out. The top two floors lived downstairs. So 265 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 3: I had a whole plan. Wow, if I had a 266 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 3: whole plan from the time I was seventeen. 267 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: Wow, So you've always been like this because you for 268 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: me to know you now you're a strategic thinker. 269 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 3: Well, remember you started talking about manifestation. God gave me 270 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 3: all of these visions, my kids, you not. From the 271 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 3: time I was young, a voice always said to me, 272 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: where you are is not going to be where you 273 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 3: spend the rest of your life. That voice told me that. Yeah, 274 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 3: And the same voice always told me to question things 275 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 3: and challenge things and not to do things the traditional way. 276 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: So ever since I had that, I always felt like 277 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: God had me. So when it came time to doing 278 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 3: something outside the box, God got me. 279 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: Wow. 280 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 3: I love that. 281 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 2: So you get through college and it's time for NFL drabs. 282 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 3: So what happened? This is a funny, man. I killed college. 283 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 3: I was on pace to be the only receiver to 284 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: have a thousand yards two years in a row. 285 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: Wow. 286 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 3: I played with Marcus Colston, who was a freaking savage. 287 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 3: Everybody knows that, but if we're being honest, I was 288 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 3: a number one receiver on the team. He was the 289 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 3: number two receiver. But if you look at Marcus Colston, 290 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 3: he's sixty five, two hundred and thirty pounds and runs 291 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 3: a four to four. If I'm taking a receiver, I'm 292 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: taking market. I taking a little fast guy. But once again, 293 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 3: my plan was to just make a practice squad. It 294 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 3: was like, yo, I didn't get drafted. I wasn't even 295 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 3: a high priority for agent. I wasn't. It was just 296 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: I ran a fast time. They was like, you can 297 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: come try out if you want to. Ran a four 298 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 3: three and forty fourty in is vertical ten to five 299 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: on the broad jump. Like I had all the measurables, 300 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 3: just some small guy from a small school. So at 301 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,239 Speaker 3: this point five eleven, one hundred and seventy five pounds 302 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 3: still tiny. 303 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 304 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 3: I told my wife Kay, I said, Yo, all I 305 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: gotta do is make a practice squad. I get one 306 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars and then we can get our dream. 307 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: And I ended up making the team wow, and made 308 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 3: way more than one hundred thousand dollars now, and then 309 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: it was like, all right, well, I can buy some property, 310 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 3: I can start some businesses. So this way, when I 311 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 3: get into my art, I'm not broke right. And then 312 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: I got cut unexpectedly my third season, at the same 313 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: time as the recession lost all my money. 314 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: So okay, wow, So what in that moment? What is 315 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: going through your head? Because I would have been like, Lord, why. 316 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 3: I was mad? Yeah, I was mad, and I was mad. 317 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: I hate saying this. I was mad at God. You 318 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 3: know how they say, you know, Jesus was on the 319 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: cross and he said, God, why have you forsake? Yes, 320 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 3: that was me in my bathroom running the shower. K 321 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 3: is in there because I had just proposed a k 322 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 3: I just bought a house. I just I was planning 323 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 3: my life. Remember I always had a plan. I was 324 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: planning in my life. I was slated to be the 325 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 3: number three receiver, punt returning, kick returner. And that summer 326 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 3: comes around and all just went to shit. I got cut. 327 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 3: I was losing fifteen thousand dollars a day in the 328 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: stock market. I had bought two properties. Both properties value 329 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 3: was going down because the housing market had burst, so 330 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: I had no equity in the properties. I had to 331 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 3: move back to Brooklyn and my grandparents all apartment with 332 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 3: my fiance, and I sat in my I used to 333 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 3: sit in the bathroom. I used to put the water on, 334 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 3: close the door and I would cry. I would cry, 335 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 3: I would and she'd be like, bab you okay, and 336 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: I'd been there. I used to be like yeah, I'm 337 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 3: like yeah, yeah, I'm good letting the water heat up 338 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 3: because we lived in an old apartment. That water used 339 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 3: to be hot. And I used to be in there 340 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 3: freaking boling because I was like, what do you to do? 341 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 3: I followed everything you told me to do. When all 342 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 3: my friends and people in the NFL and they were 343 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: buying chains and they were buying They're going to the 344 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: strip club, buying fancy cars. I drove a Ford f 345 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 3: one point fifty. My payment was one hundred and thirty 346 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 3: five dollars a month. I put all my money in 347 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 3: property in the stock market, and all that they got 348 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 3: taken and I was like, I was like, I listened. Yeah, 349 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 3: I was committed. You know. I was with my girlfriend 350 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 3: at the time, was my wife. I was doing everything 351 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 3: the right way and it all was taken from me. 352 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 3: And I was just like like God, why the same fear, 353 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: Like I was like that this is this is trash, 354 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 3: if this is life, why did I do all of that? 355 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 3: I said, I could have been promiscuous, I could have 356 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 3: been the strip clubs. I could have bought chains and cars, 357 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 3: and I still would have the same amount of money, 358 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 3: and I would still have the same feeling because I 359 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 3: felt like less of a man. I'm like, I asked 360 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 3: this woman to marry me under the pretenses that I 361 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: was going to take care of her, and now I'm 362 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 3: asking her to move back to my grandparents' apartment in Brooklyn. 363 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 3: Like I just felt like, Yeah, my ego was done. 364 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 3: I was just kind of like, and I don't like 365 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 3: to say I have suicidal thoughts because that's just the thing, 366 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 3: but I did. It was times I was just like, man, 367 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 3: why I ain't even living? Like I didn't want to 368 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 3: get out of bed, Like it was bad. 369 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: In that moment. 370 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 2: What was the pivot that made you say, you know what, 371 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: get up to val Like I need you gotta move 372 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: on from this. Life has to go on and I 373 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 2: need to pick myself up. 374 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 3: It's it's gonna sound crazy, but when you're responsible for 375 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 3: someone else, like you just can't. Yeah, I asked my 376 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: wife to marry. What I'm gonna do now, like what 377 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do? And then growing up in a Baptist church, 378 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 3: you always hear about trials and tribulations. Absolutely always hear 379 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 3: about tests. And then it was like, there was one 380 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 3: person who used to always call me. It was my 381 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: aunt Debbie. Yes, I love you on Debbie. When you 382 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 3: go through something like that, most of your family doesn't 383 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 3: know how to approach you. People think that, you know, oh, 384 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 3: when when you're on high, everybody wants to be around you. 385 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 3: But then when you know, nobody wants to be discard you. 386 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 3: I've learned that it's not that they just discard you, 387 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 3: but if you're the light to so many people and 388 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 3: now your light goes out, those people really don't know 389 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 3: what to say or how to be of service. Yeah, 390 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 3: you've been of service to so many people and now 391 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 3: you need somebody. They really don't know. My aunt Debbie 392 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 3: would call me like once a week poopoo ha poo boo. 393 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 3: I'm like, what's up on, Debbie? She's like you all right? 394 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 3: I'm like yeah. She used to ask me time you 395 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 3: and your Bible? I should be like, yeah, lying lion, 396 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 3: lie like straight lining, and she's like, pool Pool, you 397 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 3: don't got a lie to me. And all she said 398 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 3: was you just remember how you was raised. That's all 399 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 3: she would say, You remember how you was raised. And 400 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 3: that was kind of like, you know what you're right, 401 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 3: because my father was laid off when I was seventeen 402 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 3: years old, going into my senior year. My father was 403 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 3: working for Chase Bank forever. My father always kept multiple jobs. 404 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 3: He used to bounce work at Chase Bank. He could 405 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 3: sell jewelry. My father everything to provide for his family. 406 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 3: I remember my father came home when they said I 407 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 3: got laid off. I was like, hello, like you the 408 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 3: man in the house, did you mean you got laid off? 409 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 3: He said, don't worry, abody be fine. I got some 410 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 3: because my father always plans. And I said, if my 411 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 3: father could go through that, and he had three kids, 412 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 3: one going to college, you know, my sisters in private school. 413 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 3: So all I have now is a fiance. 414 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 415 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: And I thought about how I was raised, and I 416 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 3: watched my grandfather get up every morning if it work. 417 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 3: Then I watched my father push through. So I said, 418 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 3: fuck it, I'm gonna just put my head down and 419 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 3: just just create. And that's that's all I did, was 420 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 3: create opportunities for myself and for my wife. Like we 421 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 3: had to make money, and I just find ways to create. 422 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: Wow, Oh my goodness. 423 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 3: Sometimes always be hard for everybody. Those really be the 424 00:19:53,960 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: hardest times because people don't know what it's like to 425 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 3: be not just a man with you the light in 426 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 3: your family. God, yeah, you know what I'm saying. Like 427 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 3: everybody's like, you're devoted, how can I can you? And 428 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 3: I'm always like yeah, because I've always felt like these 429 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 3: blessings that have been given to me are not for me. 430 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 3: I have a fiduciary responsibility to provide for everyone around me. 431 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 3: Even when I create businesses. You know, it's like I 432 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 3: create a business, I'm like, yo, which one of my 433 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 3: friends can use extra fifteen K I'm like, yo, I 434 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 3: put you on my business. Then you can talk that 435 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 3: you make some extra like I've always been that way. 436 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: So when you feel like you don't have that ability 437 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 3: to be that for people, you don't feel like you 438 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 3: belong anymore. And it's like I felt like less of 439 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 3: a man, I felt like less of a brother, less 440 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 3: of a son, And I'm like, I'm failing everybody. So 441 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 3: when you push through that, I always put it away. 442 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 3: I don't even think about it until I got to 443 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 3: talk about it. 444 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 2: And I think there's so and we have to do 445 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 2: more of stop suppressing everything. You know, I feel like 446 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 2: especially the black man, you guys have to be strong 447 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: for everybody. 448 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: And especially I wasn't a crowd and why you did 449 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 3: this to me? Man? So no you could. 450 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: But as the black man who is the light to everybody, 451 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: you do hold a lot. And our society and our 452 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: community has not until recently allowed the man to express 453 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: or to cry or to feel anything. Because which like 454 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 2: you when your dad came home, all right, man, has 455 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: what you're gonna do? That's been the thing, you know, 456 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: So you have to suck it up and keep going. 457 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 3: That's that's really even now, like you are creative, there's 458 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 3: no there's no salary that every month, I'm guaranteed on 459 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 3: the first and the fifteenth, I'm gonna get this. Nope, 460 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 3: I gotta wake up every morning and say, Yo, how 461 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 3: much money am I going to make to be able 462 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,959 Speaker 3: survive for the next six months? Yes, next five years. 463 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 3: You know. I have a wife, now, I have four kids. 464 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 3: They're going to start going to college. We're looking at 465 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 3: private school. I can't just sit back and wait, so 466 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 3: sometimes it is like a lot of pressure. But I 467 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 3: ain't gonna lie to you. Yo. Gods always had me. 468 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 3: I've never not had what I needed. I may not 469 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 3: have always had what I wanted when I wanted it, 470 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 3: but I've always had what I needed. One story I 471 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 3: always tell was when Kadeen, we didn't have insurance because 472 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 3: the NFL, once you get cut, they drop you from insurance. 473 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 3: So I have no insurance. Now I have a wife, 474 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 3: now she's pregnant, I gotta find assurance. I'm like, okay, 475 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 3: if I become sad, let me get in this commercial circuit. 476 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 3: So now I'm hustling every other day going to commercials. 477 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 3: Going to commercials. It was like, well, you got to 478 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 3: make thirty four hundred dollars by October in order to 479 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 3: qualify for next year's insurance. I book a Cheerios commercial. 480 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 3: I get a check in the mail. It's for like 481 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 3: thirty four seventy six. It was like almost perfect. K 482 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 3: calls him and said, hey, my husband just got a 483 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 3: check in the mail. And there's like, oh yeah, we 484 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: see his name Ellis. He's qualified as he's sad, yelligsble. 485 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 3: He joined sad, he get insurance. God has always done 486 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 3: that for me, Always made away, always made away. There 487 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 3: was times I lived, you know, through my credit card. 488 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 3: I had my Square app, and I got kicked off 489 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 3: the Square app because I used to cash advance myself 490 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 3: money through my American Express. Sorry American Express, but I 491 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 3: used to cash advance myself money to make it from 492 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 3: month to month. And this is when I owned the 493 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 3: gym and I was trying to keep the business going. 494 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 3: But I also had employees, and there was times where 495 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 3: it's like, shoot, it's a valley in training right now, 496 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 3: but these people got to get paid. So I'm like, 497 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 3: it's five thousand dollars, here's year thousand, here's your thousand. 498 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I lived through that for 499 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 3: like half a decade. Wow, wow, half a decade, just 500 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 3: paycheck to paycheck. Just I never told Kay how bad 501 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 3: it was, never told my parents. I just smiled and 502 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 3: I used to be like are you doing it? And 503 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 3: I being there like broken, like yep, I'm doing it. Yeah. 504 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 3: But God always had me. God have me. So now 505 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 3: with everything that's happening, I don't take it for granted. Yeah, yeah, 506 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 3: I don't take it for granted. I still put a 507 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 3: lot of money away. I've learned how to protect my 508 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 3: peace but also protect my future. Yeah, so I give 509 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 3: to people, but I don't give what I don't have. 510 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 3: That's good, you know, I try to provide a way 511 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 3: for myself to exist for years if everything is taken away, 512 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 3: I got cut. So last year we went with the strike. Yeah, yeah, 513 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 3: you know, I was able to continue my life as 514 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 3: usual because you've been through that, and that's the message. 515 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 2: That's the message message, because lot of times you're looking like, Lord, 516 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 2: why have you forsaken me? But all he's doing is 517 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: preparing you for something else so that the next time 518 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 2: you're prepared for it. And do you know how seamless 519 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: that strike was, Chris like? And that's I do not 520 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: say that in a arrogant well I hear, I hear 521 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: it was nothing but god like, I seriously that we 522 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: made it through without missing a meal, without any lights 523 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: going out anything, and life still went on. We still 524 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 2: had an amazing life and that was nothing. That's how God, 525 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 2: That's how my God works. 526 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 3: I feel it is. 527 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: I know it's a storm outside, but you're. 528 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 3: Good Christ when people ask me, because spirituality always get questioned, right, 529 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: you have a ton of people now who are like, 530 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 3: there's access to everything, so we're no longer it's just crazy, 531 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 3: we're no longer blind in the world. But I do 532 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 3: realize it's the blind leading the blind. There's a ton 533 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 3: of information. It's a lot of information and misinformation. But 534 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 3: what I've realized is that you can't convince someone how 535 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,239 Speaker 3: to practice faith. All I can do is tell you 536 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 3: why my faith is important. And there's moments like that, 537 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 3: like there's no way. I've never never had a nine 538 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 3: to five ever, ever, ever. The only nine to five 539 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 3: I had was when I worked at Hagen Das when 540 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 3: I was seventeen. 541 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 542 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 3: Every time anything other than that, I've been a contractor, 543 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 3: even in the NFL. You know, you're ultimately a private contract. 544 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 3: They can cut at any point. I think it's the 545 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 3: same way when I owned my gyms, I never worked hourly. 546 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 3: I just God always found a way for me and 547 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 3: put things in my path that I could utilize and 548 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 3: create a tool. Like for example, I never thought i'd 549 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 3: be a trainer. I hate school, went back to study 550 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 3: exercise physiology and kinesiology because I needed to get my 551 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 3: degree in certification to be able to make money to 552 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 3: provide my family. God put that there. Never in a 553 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 3: million years would I ever thought that I was going 554 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 3: to do that. Right, But that's why I believe so much, 555 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 3: Like no one can tell me no one can tell 556 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 3: me he don't eat not real. 557 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 2: No, Seriously, we talk about faith a lot, and I'm 558 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 2: very open with you about my journey with God. And 559 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: I brought you to church with me Sunday kkine and 560 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 2: church is not something that you guys participated in often. No, 561 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 2: So let's go back, because I know you were raising 562 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 2: the church. What was that journey like and what made 563 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 2: you be like I want to take a step back. 564 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 3: Every elder in my family is a parishioner in the church, minister, music, 565 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 3: choir director, boy scout leader. My father man a men's 566 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 3: group called the Junior Layman. One of my aunt is 567 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 3: a minister, like my grandfather's a deacon. Everybody's in the church. 568 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 3: So I was in church every day Monday through Sunday. 569 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 3: It was choir, rehearsal, Bible study, youth counsel, junior layman, 570 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 3: boy scouts, Junior Layman again on a Saturday. Like, I 571 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 3: was always in church. So while being there, I've always 572 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 3: been inquisitive. God gave me messages, asked questions. I remember 573 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 3: I was in Sunday school and I asked a question 574 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 3: about the devil. We were learning about Lucifer being the 575 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 3: angel of music. I said, so, if Lucifer is the 576 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 3: angel of music and he went against God and became 577 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 3: the devil, did God make a mistake because he didn't 578 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 3: make him to be the angel of music? And I 579 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 3: got I mean dad, and kicked out of Sunday School. 580 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm asking a legitimate question because 581 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 3: I don't understand. And then when no one could give 582 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 3: me an answer or try to, they just because I 583 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 3: was young. I was twelve when they just kind of 584 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 3: pushed me aside as a problem child. That was the 585 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 3: beginning of the end for me for church. And then 586 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 3: my brother had a baby at seventeen. We had tattoos 587 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 3: and braids. My father used to get scolded from the 588 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 3: pool pit a lot, and I was like, yo, y'all 589 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 3: just mad judgmental. I just felt like it was so 590 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 3: much judgment. And I went to college and I started 591 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 3: to study different religions because I always had a question 592 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 3: for knowledge. I just wanted to know. So when I 593 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 3: was studying Judaism and Catholicism and Christianity and what was 594 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 3: the other one I heard about the three books the 595 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 3: Old Testament, the Koran, and the Torah, and the one 596 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 3: thing that stuck out to me was that those books 597 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 3: tell the same historical story from different perspectives, So there 598 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 3: has to be some truth in those books. But it 599 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 3: also showed me that I can't tell other people how 600 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 3: they're supposed to serve God. 601 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 602 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 3: God is omnipotent, right, He's the alphay a mayor the Almighty. 603 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: Church. 604 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 3: I was the omniperty, you know. Yeah, who am I 605 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 3: to tell someone else that God didn't present himself to 606 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 3: you that way? 607 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: Right? 608 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 3: So for me to tell the Jews or the Buddhists 609 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 3: or the Catholics that you're wrong, My God is the 610 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 3: right one to me just seems wrong. So I stayed 611 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,959 Speaker 3: away from creating a label on how I served, and 612 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 3: I just seek knowledge. I see God wherever I am. 613 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 3: So for me, it's like, if I'm in a church 614 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 3: and it's a a Catholic church, let me hear the word. Yeah, 615 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. I've been to bar mitzvahs before, Yeah, 616 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 3: So it's like, let me hear the word, whatever the 617 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 3: word is. M let me not tune out what it is. 618 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 3: So I stay away from church because I don't wanna 619 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 3: limit myself. Yeah, but I'm not against going to church. Mm, 620 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. 621 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I I mean I I can say that 622 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: a lot of people the reason why they aren't in 623 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 2: church now to this day is because Christians are labeled judgmental. 624 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,479 Speaker 1: They feel judged. How you say, you're being judged from 625 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: the pulpit. 626 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, A lot of people deal with it, and a 627 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 2: lot of people deal with church hurt and things that 628 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 2: happened in those walls that shouldn't happen, you know. And 629 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of churches that are trying 630 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: to change that imagery and want to really like make 631 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 2: it a safe space that it's supposed to be. 632 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: But I I understand that. 633 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 2: I I had this conversation with my parents one day 634 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: about I dated a Muslim before. And I tell everybody 635 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: this all the time when people ask me, like, who 636 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 2: was like the best guy you ever dated? 637 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: And it was this guy who was a Muslim. He 638 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: was the most loving. 639 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: I'm talking about the way he just like look after me, 640 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 2: the care for me, Like I felt that was like 641 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: I really felt love. And my parents were like, you 642 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 2: shouldn't be unequally yoked, and like they were really coming 643 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,959 Speaker 2: at me hard with the Bible and the scripture and 644 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 2: I was like, well, he's such a good person, and 645 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: they ended up meeting him. He came to my college 646 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 2: graduation and they to this day love him, like absolutely 647 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,719 Speaker 2: love him. But what I learned as I was, I 648 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: feel like, because I'm a Christian, I believe in Jesus. 649 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: I believe he died for our sins, and that's what 650 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: that's my belief. But I don't judge anybody for what 651 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: they believe in, you know, because God said to love 652 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 2: your neighbor as you love yourself. So I'm not here 653 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 2: to judge you. I hope that you know what I'm saying. 654 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 2: He did, He did say before he comes back, everyone 655 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 2: is going to have the chance to proclaim that he. 656 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: Is a savior. 657 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 2: But I look at religion as a way to have 658 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: some type of order in different cultures, and the main 659 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 2: thing is to treat others as you would treat yourself. 660 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,239 Speaker 2: So I don't judge other people, but I know what 661 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 2: I believe because you ask me, He's like, so what 662 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 2: do you identify? 663 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm a Christian. 664 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 2: You know, I don't do the Baptist, Catholic, Methodist. I 665 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 2: don't do that because I think by college. It was 666 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 2: that's when more the non denomination it starts to rise. 667 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 2: So that's where I am with it. But I don't 668 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 2: judge anybody for what they choose to believe in, you know, 669 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 2: I just I love everybody, and I just let my 670 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 2: life shine and hope that Christ shines through that. 671 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 3: Chris, I wish more of the world just exists in 672 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 3: that type of space. Like if you think about the 673 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 3: fact that we have holy wars, that is the biggest 674 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 3: oxymoron I've. 675 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: Ever heard in my life, a. 676 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 3: Holy war, Like people should not be fighting people for beliefs. Now, 677 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 3: there's a long history of why holy wars have started, 678 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 3: you know, and that's very political. It's about land and stuff. 679 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 3: But my biggest thing is it is not my job 680 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 3: to tell you you're wrong for believing the way you believe. 681 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 3: If what you believe keeps you in the sense of peace, 682 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 3: allows you not to kill people, hurt people, steal from people, 683 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 3: and just be a good person for humanity, then that's 684 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 3: what you should live. Yeah, you know, and that's that 685 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 3: was my biggest fear from church growing up. You know, 686 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 3: my godmother's Catholic, and even in the Catholic Church, they 687 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 3: believe that Jesus died on the cross. They don't believe 688 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 3: in the resurrection, so they were just like, you believe 689 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 3: in the resurrection, and I'm like yeah, And then I 690 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 3: could feel the judgment and I'm like everywhere I go, 691 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 3: like why I get judged. I remember one of my friends, Brandon, 692 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 3: his father was Jewish, and he was just like, you're 693 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 3: not Jewish, You're not of the chosen people, so you 694 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 3: can't get access to the positive afterlife. And I'm like, 695 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 3: all of y'all have some judgmental way of telling other 696 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 3: people that they don't belong. I'm not subscribing to that. 697 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: I'm not and I refuse to argue with people. I 698 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 3: don't want to go back and forth. People argue religion 699 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 3: all the time on social media, and I'm like, this 700 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 3: is the dumbest thing that person believes in being a 701 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 3: better person for whatever they believe, let them believe that. 702 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 3: I don't argue with my parents. My parents will still 703 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 3: go to church every Sunday, and they asked me why don't, 704 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 3: and we have conversation. But I don't judge them, and 705 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 3: I'm sure they don't judge me. They love me the 706 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 3: way I am. They still will take my boys to church. 707 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 2: Like, so, as you're bringing up your boys, like, what 708 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 2: are you instilling them so they have their own walk? 709 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 2: Because I know our parents was like, You're to be 710 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 2: in church every year, every Sunday. It wasn't a choice 711 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 2: if I wanted to get up on Sunday morning or 712 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 2: Bible study on Wednesday nights. 713 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: Or choir practice. 714 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 2: You were going absolutely, So what do you do to 715 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 2: instill that your boys have some type of relationship with God. 716 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 3: That's still a conversation because my wife grew up Seven 717 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 3: Day Adventists and I grew up Baptists. They study and 718 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 3: practice on Saturday, the Sabbath, and we go to church 719 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 3: on Sunday. Once again being judged. K's aunt. First time 720 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 3: she met me, oh he goes to church on Sunday. 721 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 3: That's the wrong day. I was like, oh gosh, here 722 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 3: we go. Like here we go, here we But Jackson 723 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 3: asked me the other day it was just like, Dad, 724 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 3: we don't go to church. Her church people are mean. Wow. 725 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,439 Speaker 3: I said, no, bro, that's not the case. I said, 726 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 3: church people have the same issues as other people. I said, Look, 727 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 3: you get sick, you go to the hospital, right when 728 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 3: you go to hospital, hospital people sick. What if I 729 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 3: told you we're not going to the hospital to get 730 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 3: you corrected because people are sick in the hospital, what 731 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 3: would you think? He said, that don't make no sense. 732 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 3: I said, exactly, why would you not go to church 733 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 3: Because people in the church have issues. Everyone is going 734 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 3: to get healed. So you're gonna run into people with 735 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 3: issues in church the same way you got issues. And 736 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 3: he said, oh, that makes sense. I said, we all 737 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 3: got issues. We all need to heal. So I said, 738 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 3: you when you want to go, when you're interested, you 739 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 3: let me know and we'll look into it. So he 740 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 3: was like all right, And I still ask him about it. 741 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 3: We pray every night. We pray that the boys don't 742 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 3: know they you know, that won't lay me down to 743 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 3: sleep day. They all know that they understand who God is. 744 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 3: So when they came to me and they said that 745 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 3: I don't want to try Let's go find THEE. Yeah, 746 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,439 Speaker 3: but I'm not going to force it on them because 747 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 3: I don't want them to feel like they have to 748 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 3: believe something. I'm trying to raise kids with open minds. 749 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. 750 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 2: So you you have four whole boys. They are all 751 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 2: aspiring athletes. I feel like they all are walking in 752 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 2: your shoes as a former as what is something that 753 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 2: you instill in them? I know you're like really hard 754 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 2: and got working out and training. They train like world 755 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 2: class athletes. 756 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 3: All the time at twelve seven six and two. 757 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 2: Crazy yes, crazy, and they're all amazing. 758 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, one is your god to. 759 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: He is, that's a baby. He'd be righting there with 760 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: him like, which I do too. 761 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 3: He just he's like he reminds me of Cairo. He 762 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 3: just sees everything he wants to emulate him. 763 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So as a dad, like, what do you 764 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 2: do to hey son, this is if this is what 765 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 2: you want to do, I'm going to teach you how 766 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 2: to properly go after that? And what do you do 767 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 2: to try to protect them as well as they're navigating them. 768 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 3: The biggest thing is the mental peace, because once you 769 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 3: start playing sports, the first thing you focus on is 770 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 3: other people. Who's better than me, who's cheering for me, 771 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 3: who's hating on me? I gotta tell him, like, none 772 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 3: of that matters. Yeah, you're kid, You're training to be better, 773 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 3: so all you have to focus on is just getting 774 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 3: better better every day. Yeah, And they just like that's it. 775 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 3: I'm like, if you win, I don't care. If you lose, 776 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 3: I don't care how bad you are when you start. 777 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 3: I tend to show them me at different stages of 778 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,879 Speaker 3: my life, and I'm like, don't look at dad now 779 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 3: and say, look, my father is successful. So if I'm 780 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 3: not there tomorrow, I'm a failure. I show them when 781 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 3: I got cut. We talk realistically, but Jackson will be like, 782 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,280 Speaker 3: you didn't score no touchdowns in the NFL. No, I didn't. 783 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 3: That wasn't my version of success at that point in 784 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 3: my life. You know, I'm having more of my successes 785 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 3: now in a different part of my life because sports 786 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 3: isn't everything. And that's the biggest thing. I tell them, like, 787 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 3: you're doing this to challenge your will. The only thing 788 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 3: we can control is ourselves. Sports, to me, is an 789 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 3: ultimate way to test your discipline, challenge your will. That's 790 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 3: the only reason why we're playing. You don't got to 791 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 3: be a world class athlete. You playing for fun. You 792 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 3: may be a CEO, you may be an artist, you know, 793 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 3: be a pianist, you may be anything. 794 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 2: So I want to go back to a challenging time 795 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 2: in your life. We talked about your boys, and we 796 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 2: talked about your responsibility to your wife. Yes, when you 797 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 2: were playing for the Lions, you got injured. Yes, And 798 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 2: you've been open about your addiction to painless and during 799 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 2: that time, what was it that you were going through 800 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 2: in the mental and was the pain pills something that 801 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 2: you were using to suppress what you were going through 802 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 2: that time? 803 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: Excuse me, oh man. 804 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 3: Funny thing is the pain man stuff started in college. 805 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 3: Started in college. And to be honest, you don't realize 806 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 3: when things start when you're going through life. It's not 807 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 3: until you look back and you say, dang, it started then. 808 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 3: But to be an undersized athlete playing bohemos sport, I 809 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 3: was getting beat up all the time, and I was 810 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 3: a free agent try out in college, I was a 811 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 3: walk on, so I always had to prove. I always 812 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 3: had to But that takes word telling your body. I 813 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 3: had five knee surgeries, separated shoulder I played. I had 814 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 3: to put a local interestdeur on this shoulder just to 815 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 3: finish out my senior year. Big needle. So the medication 816 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 3: was a numbing agent. And then once you're constantly numbing, 817 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 3: your rate of the pain coming back. So you take 818 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 3: pain pills ahead of time. So that the pain don't come. 819 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It's not about being it's 820 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 3: a proactive. Like if I don't take these four tilan on, 821 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 3: I know I'm gonna start feeling it, So let me 822 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 3: just take And this is how bad it was when 823 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 3: I was in the league. I woke up, I took 824 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 3: four thailand on just to get out of bed. I 825 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 3: would get to practice, I'll take four time o before practice. 826 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 3: I would take four tient at the end of practice, 827 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,320 Speaker 3: and I would take two Vikings to go to sleep. 828 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: Jesus what every day? 829 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 3: It's a viking in every day, two viking every day 830 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 3: to go to sleep. Because in my mind it was 831 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 3: like if I don't get sleep, my body won't heal. 832 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,280 Speaker 3: But I'm stressed out. I'm a rookie in the NFL. 833 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 3: My body hurt. You can't sleep, you cannot I can't sleep, 834 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 3: So I'm like, let me just take this so that 835 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 3: I can't knock me out. Then you wake up and 836 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 3: you do it all over again, and before you realize that, 837 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 3: you're like, man, this is years of abusing pills to 838 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 3: numb pain because you don't want to directly approach something. 839 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 3: And that's what it was the number agent for me. 840 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 3: Wasn't my pain. It was numbing the fact that I 841 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 3: was stressed out and I wasn't happy playing in the NFL. 842 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:07,760 Speaker 3: I never want to be in the NFL. 843 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 2: That is crazy because you don't have any young men 844 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 2: like that's their dream and then for you to make 845 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 2: it and be like, oh, they want to be here. 846 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 3: I realized that when I was there, Wow, it don't 847 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 3: matter how talented you are. I was faster than the fastest. 848 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 3: I could jump high, I could catch the ball. It's 849 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 3: a different type of love for the game that requires 850 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,439 Speaker 3: you to get up every day to continue to hone 851 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 3: your skills. I did not want to do that. I 852 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 3: wanted to act, I wanted to dance. I wanted to 853 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 3: just be an entertainer. And as I was in the NFL, 854 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 3: I just was not enjoying it. I was miserable, Like 855 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 3: I was miserable. So the pain message like yo to guy, 856 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 3: to go to sleep, get this fifteen thousand dollars for 857 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 3: this week, go home and start your business. That's all 858 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 3: it was for me. And that's no knock on the NFL, 859 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 3: you know, but it was just a means to an end, 860 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 3: and the pain pills was away for me to numb 861 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 3: that pain so I can get through it, and then 862 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 3: it's funny to be talking about spirituality. It was my 863 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 3: receiver coach in college. I was back home. When you 864 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,240 Speaker 3: get back home. Now, I don't have access to the payments, right, 865 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 3: So I'm at Kenneen's apartment and every night Cole sweats 866 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 3: waiting up. She got to change the sheets. She's like, Devow, 867 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 3: what is going on? And I'm like, oh, no, I 868 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 3: don't know. So I don't have the payments. So I'm 869 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 3: drinking alcohol now because that's the way that the pain 870 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 3: I got money. I have nothing but time on my hands. 871 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 3: Me and my friends would wake up at three in 872 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 3: the afternoon. We as soon as we wake up, we 873 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 3: would go get some tequila, orange juice, we take shots, 874 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 3: we will go do whatever it is we was doing, 875 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 3: and then we would party until four in the morning. 876 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: Wow. 877 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 3: Because me and Kay also weren't on good terms, so 878 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 3: I was outside. I was outside just at this point, no, 879 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 3: we were this was two thousand and six, we weren't married. 880 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 3: This is our first year apart. 881 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: Wow. 882 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,359 Speaker 3: And you know, distance causes riffs. 883 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,319 Speaker 1: In relationships, absolutely. 884 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 3: So we were trying to figure out how to get 885 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 3: back to where we were because for the last six 886 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 3: months we were not living together. Then I moved back, 887 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 3: dealing with all the stuff I was dealing with, I 888 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 3: was a different person. She was like, yo, see me, 889 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 3: you got PTSD. Then she said you're gonna have to 890 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 3: get out. She was just like, not, like, you can't 891 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 3: stay here sleeping all day, going out with your friends 892 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 3: and coming in late and sleeping all day. So I 893 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 3: was like, fine, I'll leave right. But then she's also 894 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 3: taking care of me. She's like devoured. Every night, you're 895 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 3: breaking out in cold sweat. And then one night she 896 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 3: called my receiver coach and MYCIA coach, Jamie Elizondo, and 897 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,280 Speaker 3: he's a very spiritual guy, and this is crazy because 898 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,280 Speaker 3: based on his spirituality, he doesn't curse. But he cursed 899 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 3: me out without cursing me out and was like, you 900 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,360 Speaker 3: have a responsibility to that woman. 901 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: That's a powerful talking to. 902 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 3: Not one curse word. And he said, you have a 903 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 3: responsibility to that woman to be better, and you have 904 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 3: a responsibility to yourself to be better for yourself, so 905 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 3: get up. And I was just like I was just 906 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 3: telling him everything I was going through, like it was 907 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 3: just depression, like me and my girl on the same page. 908 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 3: The Lions was looking to draft another receiver who they 909 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,919 Speaker 3: ended up drafting Calvin Johnson. I had had to deal 910 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,399 Speaker 3: with playing with Marcus and now I got to deal 911 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 3: with playing with Calvin Johnson. I already dealing with Megatron, 912 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 3: the receiver of all receivers. I was depressed. 913 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: Wow. 914 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 3: And he was just like, that's not a good enough 915 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 3: reason for you to lay in that bed and do 916 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 3: the things you do. And he once again like my 917 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 3: aunt Debbie, you know how you. 918 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 1: Was raised, how you were raised. Wow. 919 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 3: And it was just like a And from that moment 920 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,839 Speaker 3: when my alcohol got in the gym stopped taking any pain. 921 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 3: I don't even take turning on no more. 922 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 2: Yeah you don't because I was like, you'll have a headache, 923 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 2: just be like nope nope. 924 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 3: I'm like, you don't want to take nothing, Nope nope. Yeah. 925 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 2: That's discipline, though, and that's really saying, hey, I don't 926 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,720 Speaker 2: want to get back to that space because you already 927 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 2: know how dependent you can be on that. 928 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 3: Because you see, even when I talk about it, I 929 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,320 Speaker 3: try not like it's so like dark that I'd be like, 930 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,839 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna cry I'm not gonna cry. I don't 931 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 3: ever want to be back there, especially have my kids 932 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 3: see me like that. Yes, like four young men, they're 933 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,319 Speaker 3: gonna look at me like I looked at my father, 934 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 3: and I used to blame my father. I was like, 935 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:14,800 Speaker 3: my father used to walk around and he was perfect 936 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 3: all the time. He used to put up a facade, 937 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,720 Speaker 3: he put up a front. But now I see why, 938 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 3: because that's the standard that I lived up to. I 939 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 3: was like, my dad does not do these things, so 940 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 3: I'm not doing it. So with my boys, I'm with 941 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,320 Speaker 3: them to have the same standard. 942 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 1: So do you I want to talk to you about that. 943 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 2: So when it comes to black men and you have 944 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 2: four young black men that you're raising up and feeling 945 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 2: like they can express themselves, feeling like they don't have 946 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,839 Speaker 2: to be perfect all the time, feeling that they don't 947 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 2: have to walk in. 948 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: This facade, and like I got it all together? 949 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 2: What are you doing to make sure that they have 950 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,760 Speaker 2: a balance that of being a man, but also showing 951 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 2: that it's okay to cry, It's okay to say, Hey, 952 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,320 Speaker 2: this is how I'm feeling right now. 953 00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 3: This is the first thing every day when I see 954 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,879 Speaker 3: mysel sons come here. Did I tell you I love 955 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,280 Speaker 3: you today? Did you tell me you love me today? 956 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 3: Get daddy a kiss. I kissed my sons. I don't 957 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,879 Speaker 3: care what people think about it. I kiss my sons, 958 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 3: I hold my sons. I hug my sons. And when 959 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,400 Speaker 3: I hug them, it's not like a church like you. No, 960 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 3: it's come here. I hold you tight. You know I 961 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,399 Speaker 3: love you? Right? You love me? Yeah? Were you great 962 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,240 Speaker 3: in school today? Tell me some things that you didn't 963 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,239 Speaker 3: do great? They tell me that's what we're gonna do that, 964 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 3: we're gonna work on it, and that's it, and also 965 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 3: put them in spaces where they don't have to like 966 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,439 Speaker 3: we grew up so different, like in the South, Jim 967 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,439 Speaker 3: Crow South, because remember I was born in eighty four, 968 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,319 Speaker 3: like Jim Crow South. 969 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: Is not that only twenty years? 970 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,760 Speaker 3: Right? So my grandparents raised me in an environment where 971 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 3: you know, when you're around white people, you keep your 972 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 3: head down, you be quiet. When we get dressed up, 973 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,440 Speaker 3: we're gonna put on slacks, we're gonna put on shoes. 974 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 3: You yes, sir, you, yes, ma'am everybody, And it just 975 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 3: always put me in a place where I'm like, are 976 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 3: these people better than me? Is that why I have 977 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 3: to act like this, you know what I'm saying. And 978 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 3: if you think about it, that type of indoctrination teaches you. 979 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,839 Speaker 3: You know, they would say you gotta humble yourself. Why 980 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,160 Speaker 3: are black men always being told that we have to 981 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,879 Speaker 3: humble ourselves? As an athlete, I watch it right, Cam 982 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,320 Speaker 3: Newton does the Superman he need to be humble. Aaron 983 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,280 Speaker 3: Rodgers does the discount double check and he gets praised 984 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 3: for it. I'm not doing that to my boys. We 985 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 3: walk in every environment in our truest, blackest self. What 986 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,360 Speaker 3: do you want to wear, Jackson? I just want to 987 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 3: wear my flip flops and a hoodie. We we wearing that. 988 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 3: And when you walk in there, you look people in 989 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 3: the eyes and you impress them with your intellect, not 990 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,359 Speaker 3: trying to assimilate to what version they think you have 991 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 3: to be in order to be accepted. And they're just 992 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:52,399 Speaker 3: like okay, and k is on board too, because I'm 993 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,720 Speaker 3: just so tired and it's exhausting to try to exist 994 00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 3: in someone else's world. Now, this is my world world, 995 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, Noble, my God created 996 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,320 Speaker 3: this world for me to exist the same way you exist. 997 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,360 Speaker 3: Exactly so why I got a humble myself and be 998 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,720 Speaker 3: all this and be quiet, noble. I'm speaking my piece. 999 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 3: If you don't like it, I'll go where I am accepted. Yeah, 1000 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 3: and it's celebrated, not just tolerated. And that's what I'm 1001 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 3: teaching my boys. 1002 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:20,759 Speaker 1: I love that. 1003 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 3: That is so good. 1004 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,399 Speaker 2: Your beautiful wife, Kadeen. You guys have known each other 1005 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:30,319 Speaker 2: since elementary school? Yes, been married since how many years? 1006 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 1: Now? 1007 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,120 Speaker 3: Let me get it right now? 1008 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:32,399 Speaker 1: Right? 1009 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 3: Get it? Twenty two years? Okay, we've been married thirteen years? 1010 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: Okay, thirteen years. 1011 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 2: Was there any moment in your relationship that was super 1012 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 2: hard that actually helped shape you as a man that 1013 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:44,280 Speaker 2: you are today? 1014 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 3: Yes, the moment that I wasn't able to do all 1015 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 3: the things that I thought made me a man and 1016 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 3: to still have a woman be there in her feminine energy, yeah, 1017 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 3: and not have to like belittle me or say why 1018 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 3: you ain't doing this? That moment there showed me what 1019 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,719 Speaker 3: true partnership was. You know, because imagine you're in the NFL. 1020 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 3: I'm making half a million dollars. Whatever you want, baby, 1021 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,640 Speaker 3: we go ahead, we go ahead. You don't want to vak, 1022 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, I'm feeling like a man. 1023 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,399 Speaker 3: I'm feeling like I'm providing this lifestyle and then all 1024 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,480 Speaker 3: of it get stripped away and you got to take 1025 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:25,279 Speaker 3: that same woman from your culder sack, your forty five 1026 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,600 Speaker 3: hundred square foot home in Canon, Michigan, and you got 1027 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 3: to go back to the hood. We lived on New 1028 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,680 Speaker 3: York Avenue between Dean and Bergen. It was called Murderer's Role. 1029 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 3: Saint Mark's right there. Saint Mark's was rough. First year 1030 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 3: we didre was two murders in the summer time. 1031 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:41,560 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. 1032 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 3: And I'm there with my wife who grew up in 1033 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 3: the house in Kanarsi, and she's just there like, okay, 1034 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:52,279 Speaker 3: so what we're doing riding? Yeah, just there. And I'm like, 1035 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 3: I don't even feel like a man right now and 1036 00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 3: you're just here. That made me like so dead. Catered 1037 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,719 Speaker 3: to my marriage, you know what I'm saying, Because you know, 1038 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 3: I watched the show and Tyler was talking about what 1039 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 3: women need and what men need, and so much of 1040 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,319 Speaker 3: it was misconstrued. And I watched it and I got 1041 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,800 Speaker 3: a completely different. 1042 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,480 Speaker 1: Message from it when you watch the whole. 1043 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,720 Speaker 3: When I watched the episode, when I got a completely 1044 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 3: different message He was not telling women to accept nothing, 1045 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,279 Speaker 3: but what he was saying is understanding when someone meets 1046 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 3: you at your worth. Your worth may not be a 1047 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,759 Speaker 3: dollar amount exactly. You know what I'm saying, That's what 1048 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,960 Speaker 3: I took from you. But I also do understand when 1049 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,279 Speaker 3: people respond to things, it's often a projection of what 1050 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,520 Speaker 3: they're going through. Even without comments, right, someone may say 1051 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,279 Speaker 3: something crazy in our comments in the past, I'll be like, 1052 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,080 Speaker 3: is this supposed the problem? Why they ain't? But that 1053 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 3: was like, man, I wonder what that person has been 1054 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,360 Speaker 3: through that that's what they received from that, you know, 1055 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,480 Speaker 3: It's it's like dang, Like sometimes the look at the comments, 1056 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 3: I'm like, man, that person must really be hurting. And 1057 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 3: sometimes I really want to reach out, you know what 1058 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:02,239 Speaker 3: I'm saying, like, what's going on? I hope that men 1059 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 3: in particular understand that you are not defined by your wallet. 1060 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, you know what I'm saying. 1061 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 3: You're not defined by what you can provide for a 1062 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:16,440 Speaker 3: woman financially, but you are defined by the type of 1063 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 3: peace you can provide for your family. 1064 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,920 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of times men put more 1065 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 2: on themselves than what the woman actually needs from them. 1066 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,160 Speaker 2: In fact, yeah, this list, like I gotta got this, 1067 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,000 Speaker 2: and she's like, no, this is I need this and 1068 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:26,759 Speaker 2: you're not doing this. 1069 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,239 Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you right now. As much as I 1070 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,040 Speaker 3: used to make jokes because it's what people need to 1071 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,120 Speaker 3: understand too, a lot of our content was out of jest, 1072 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,399 Speaker 3: and I used to make jokes with my wife wanted 1073 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 3: this big wedding, and da da da. I wanted a 1074 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,640 Speaker 3: big wedding because I wanted to prove to everybody else 1075 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,200 Speaker 3: the type of man I was to provide that type 1076 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,320 Speaker 3: of wedding for my wife. And it takes maturity to 1077 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:50,799 Speaker 3: get and be like, you know what, di val, that 1078 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,200 Speaker 3: wasn't her, that was you the whole time you bullt 1079 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,160 Speaker 3: her the big ring, you bull her the shoes. You 1080 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 3: wanted to get her these things, and then when you couldn't, 1081 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,840 Speaker 3: you then blamed her. Yeah, because like you made me 1082 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 3: buy these things. She never never never made me do anything. 1083 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 1: Wow. 1084 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 3: And I hope young men take from that that there's 1085 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,799 Speaker 3: more that you can provide a woman and just a paycheck, like, like, 1086 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,440 Speaker 3: there's so much more. You and I talk about this 1087 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,680 Speaker 3: all the time. They're going through your dating journey and 1088 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,439 Speaker 3: me being married. We talk about what you know, because 1089 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 3: sometimes even now I'm going to turn forty, I'm like, see, man, 1090 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,600 Speaker 3: I don't know what help me understand what k may 1091 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,239 Speaker 3: be going through. And then You'll just be like, well, 1092 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:35,640 Speaker 3: you have you ever thought about this? And I'm like, no, 1093 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,960 Speaker 3: I never ever thought about it. And then I'm just like, 1094 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,799 Speaker 3: I still have a lot to learn at forty, and 1095 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 3: I'm just open to it. I want to learn. I 1096 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,600 Speaker 3: just want to I want to continue to just seek 1097 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,080 Speaker 3: knowledge and get a better understandable life. Is I love that, 1098 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:52,680 Speaker 3: you know. 1099 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,880 Speaker 1: Where do you see yourself in five to ten years? 1100 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:02,200 Speaker 3: Five to ten years, I see myself headlining my feature 1101 00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:08,239 Speaker 3: film with a production company. I see myself carving out 1102 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,279 Speaker 3: time to spend six months guaranteed with my boys. Every year. 1103 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,840 Speaker 3: I'm making a point to not ever get so involved 1104 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,719 Speaker 3: in my career that I forget about them. And I 1105 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,800 Speaker 3: realize that now, like this past weekend, had an audition 1106 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,760 Speaker 3: to do nothing is more important than me to my boys. 1107 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,960 Speaker 3: I told my agent, I say, y'all have to get 1108 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,680 Speaker 3: that to you later. Jackson got a tournament, Kyra wants 1109 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,200 Speaker 3: to get trained the Code of GOT speech therapy. Kaz 1110 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:35,959 Speaker 3: wants to do art and I have to do those things. 1111 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,440 Speaker 3: And you know what I learned, people will bend to 1112 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,239 Speaker 3: what you need. You know what my agent said, I 1113 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,000 Speaker 3: can get you three more days. You know what I'm saying. 1114 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,440 Speaker 3: It's like yo, So I can live in this entertainment 1115 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,399 Speaker 3: industry still be a family man. I could still take 1116 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,000 Speaker 3: my wife on dates every weekend because I'm not filming 1117 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,920 Speaker 3: in Bangladesh for a year and a half. Oh okay, 1118 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,160 Speaker 3: I can do this. You know what I'm saying. I 1119 00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,600 Speaker 3: can do this, and that's what I want to do. 1120 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,400 Speaker 3: I want to be not one of the biggest actors 1121 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,000 Speaker 3: of all time. I want to be one of the 1122 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 3: greatest fathers. I want. I want my boys to be 1123 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,640 Speaker 3: like my dad, rock with me. And most importantly, I 1124 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,799 Speaker 3: want to be that husband that my wife can say 1125 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,960 Speaker 3: he helped us down. That's what I want. 1126 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:15,680 Speaker 1: I love it. 1127 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:21,160 Speaker 3: Yes, how about you five years? 1128 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,880 Speaker 2: Five years? Oh my goodness. In five years. I want 1129 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,279 Speaker 2: to be a successful business woman. I have some things 1130 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,040 Speaker 2: that I'm working on. I want to, of course, start 1131 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 2: my own movies. I want to be executi produce. I 1132 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,560 Speaker 2: want to direct you Will. I want to turn this 1133 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:37,479 Speaker 2: into a talk show. 1134 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,520 Speaker 3: You Will. I come in here and see this, I'm like, God, 1135 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,200 Speaker 3: this is already a talk show. This is Chris, you 1136 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,960 Speaker 3: know how proud? Thank you so much? Like we talked 1137 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,759 Speaker 3: so much about what we want to do and then 1138 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:50,960 Speaker 3: we're just doing it. 1139 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it's about. Execution. 1140 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:55,799 Speaker 3: Do you want to find love? 1141 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:56,480 Speaker 1: I do? 1142 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:57,239 Speaker 3: You will? 1143 00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:58,359 Speaker 1: I do want to find love. 1144 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,560 Speaker 2: I mean it's say by my heart, just like as 1145 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,560 Speaker 2: soon as you say that one, because I. 1146 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,680 Speaker 1: Know you, I do. I do. 1147 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,520 Speaker 3: Can't you can't? You love people so much. I watch 1148 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,600 Speaker 3: you with all of your friends. I mean that ship, 1149 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,360 Speaker 3: that's how we got close. You look out for everybody. 1150 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,600 Speaker 3: He was looking out for me. I'm getting just Chris, 1151 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,719 Speaker 3: you know, I mean to be honest, like people need 1152 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,439 Speaker 3: to know. When I came here and I was trying 1153 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 3: to figure out things and do things for Kate when 1154 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,600 Speaker 3: she was pregnant. You were my go to. You're my 1155 00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:35,880 Speaker 3: go to. You the one that got me the get 1156 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,960 Speaker 3: cardier she carried ten months. You need to get there. 1157 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:40,640 Speaker 3: What are you doing? 1158 00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:40,919 Speaker 1: Man? 1159 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:45,439 Speaker 3: You love people so much that God Remember I told 1160 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,920 Speaker 3: you that God always got me. I can tell God's favorites. 1161 00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 3: God gonna have you when you at least expect it. 1162 00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,080 Speaker 3: He's he's gonna have you when you and he gonna 1163 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,160 Speaker 3: be tall, dark and handsome. It's like you want he 1164 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,640 Speaker 3: probably gonna play ball when dunk on his ass, Zach attack. 1165 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,359 Speaker 3: I see it for you, though, I see appreciate you're 1166 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,120 Speaker 3: too great. You're too great a woman, not too you 1167 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:10,719 Speaker 3: know that. 1168 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:12,239 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. 1169 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,120 Speaker 3: And then Kaz and the code is gonna be the 1170 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,080 Speaker 3: ring barrass love you to death. 1171 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,759 Speaker 1: That no when listen and Cairo. 1172 00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,640 Speaker 2: When I walked into K's dressing room at the live show, 1173 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,960 Speaker 2: when I say the way, Caro ran to me. 1174 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,160 Speaker 3: He was oh yeah. I was like, and they haven't 1175 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:36,080 Speaker 3: seen you minute. You're working? Yeah, why you haven't found 1176 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:41,799 Speaker 3: love yet? Yeah, you're focusing on what you focused on. Yeah, 1177 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,200 Speaker 3: there's there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, it's not like you, Like, 1178 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,160 Speaker 3: I don't believe age is really a thing. I understand 1179 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,840 Speaker 3: the biological clock for women, it's a real thing. But 1180 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,319 Speaker 3: with modern technology and with you taking care of your 1181 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,359 Speaker 3: body the way you do, you'll be fine. If that's 1182 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,120 Speaker 3: what you choose to have children, you know you may 1183 00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:58,760 Speaker 3: not want. 1184 00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:05,640 Speaker 2: You If every day it's a dim feeling, when do 1185 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:06,160 Speaker 2: you go home? 1186 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:06,760 Speaker 1: Okay? 1187 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,120 Speaker 3: I see I stay with a toddler for too long. 1188 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,440 Speaker 3: You blame I ain't haveing, no freaking when these kids 1189 00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:18,480 Speaker 3: are emotional terrorists. They are Toddler's a no joke. Thank you. 1190 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,520 Speaker 1: I appreciate that coming for you. 1191 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,759 Speaker 3: Come on, man, come on, I thank you for this. 1192 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,200 Speaker 3: You made me cry. You made me cry. I said 1193 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:34,719 Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna cry. She made me cry. 1194 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,160 Speaker 2: So God, thank you so much for this day. Thank 1195 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,000 Speaker 2: you for letting the val make it here safely. They 1196 00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,680 Speaker 2: got to ask that you just guide this interview or 1197 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,040 Speaker 2: not the interview. But it's a conversation between two friends. 1198 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,200 Speaker 2: Let this conversation help others, inspire others, and bring them 1199 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,160 Speaker 2: closer to You, Dear God, and everything that we do. 1200 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,560 Speaker 2: Let him get where he's to go safely after this, 1201 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,239 Speaker 2: and Jesus, then we pray, Amen. 1202 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,000 Speaker 3: Oh God, Jesus. 1203 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:00,279 Speaker 1: Eight