WEBVTT - Hard vs Soft Launch with Jill Chin 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.640 Hell I Suck at Dating with Denglert and Jared Haven 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:10.520 and I heard radio podcast What's going on? Everyone? Welcome 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:13.920 to an all new episode of help I Suck At Dating. 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:18.360 This is Dean Ungler, joined as always by Jared Haven, 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:20.640 but we've got a very special co host with us today. 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.880 She comes from Bachelor in Paradise season eight, most notably. 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:28.320 And I say that because I just don't remember what 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.760 Bachelor's season she was on. But it is Jillian Chin 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.840 joining us all the way from Newport, Rhode Island. Joel, 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:42.159 what's going on? Hey guys? Yeah, I don't know if 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.200 you've heard that, but that was the audience that making 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.839 a very loud round of applause. So we're happy to 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:51.040 have you here. Um, what's going on? So we were 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:54.640 just talking before um starting this recording that you live 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.600 in Rhode Island, five minutes away from Jared right now. 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:01.640 That blew my mind. I do. Yeah, I just moved 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.640 down to Newport, which is closer towards Jerry. Are you 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.120 sure you don't have in Newport, California? Are you certain 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:11.240 it's not Newport, California? Which coast are you on? Yeah? 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:14.840 I'm pretty certain. I'm definitely an East Coast girl through 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:18.000 and through. I just don't like the West Coast for living, 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:22.560 for visiting. It's great, but just not for you. Thank you, 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:24.679 Jared feels me on that. Yeah, that's how I feel 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.600 about that. But the opposite. Actually, yeah, I don't know. 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.039 Only just recently had a big earthquake and I was like, 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.680 I God, I wasn't there. Even though earthquakes, I guess 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.640 aren't the scariest thing when you really think about it, 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.680 I just get terrified of just waiting for that fall 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:43.440 to a round. Yeah, a big building falling on top 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:45.760 of you. That, yeah, pretty much. I've always wanted I've 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:47.360 always wanted to live on the East Coast. I just 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:49.240 I don't think I could handle it. There's like a 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:51.080 certain way of life that you go through on the 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:55.080 East Coast. It's like high pace, really forward and like 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.920 cranky people, but they're getting the job done, so it's okay. 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:00.680 I don't think I literally I don't think I would 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:04.520 thrive very well on that atmosphere. Yeah. I like that 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:10.160 so much better than just like lazing around, like I 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:14.360 just can't. I just can't do it. It's on my bonus, No, 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:16.720 I mean, I respect that, but thank you so much 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:22.080 for joining us. Like I said, Bachelor Paradise season eight. Um, 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.080 but what Bachelor's season were you on? You were on Clayton. 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:29.040 She was on Clayton's. I remember the first night, the 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.880 very first night we opened Audrey's. It was slammed in 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.400 there and I was bartending, and it was like a 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.320 reality of like, Okay, now I'm back into the weeds 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.600 of things after years of not bartending, Like here we go. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.040 And it was the first night, and so obviously there 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:45.640 were a lot of Bachelor fans there and then come 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:47.400 in like trying to say, you know, Ashley was there 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.320 mingling blah blah blah blah. So I'm making drinks and 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:53.200 all of a sudden, this girl walks up and you ordered. 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:54.480 I don't know if you ordered for me or not. 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.320 But then she goes by the way, um, Jared, I'm 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:01.720 on this season Bachelor. I couldn't hear her and I 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.440 was like what, and she was like, I'm on this 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.240 season of the Bachelor, and I was like, what the hell. 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:11.359 That's awesome, And then obviously ended up being Jill and I. 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.120 We didn't really talk that night just because it was 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.280 so chaotic, but I don't know how if you exchanged 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.520 some Ashley or me or how we got in contact, 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:20.799 but then we ended up hanging out together and you 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:22.600 came back to Audrey's and we got to get to 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:26.520 know you and Jill is just the best and and 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.280 that was the first time we ever met each other. 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:31.919 So crazy. Yeah, I know, I feel like that's kind 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.800 of like an embarrassing but not theing. I just like 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.280 showed up. I literally just showed up to like the 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.160 craziest night. If I was like, Hi, like, it's not weird, 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:41.840 I would have done the exact same thing. It's like 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:46.200 weird because you were you literally were like twenty minutes 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:50.480 away from Like, oh, I'm like, because once you're it's 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:54.320 I guess it's weird. I wouldn't look back on it weirdly. 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.000 I guess you know, at the time it might have 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.040 been a little weird, but like now that you're part 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.880 of this Bachelor family for of a better term, which 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:05.680 it is a family, like you understand that it's For example, Dean, 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.440 I'm sure that you've heard stories have done it yourself 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.640 where you've reached out to other people within Bachelor to 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.680 crash at their place when you're traveling, Was that you, Dean? Yeah, No, 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.320 I've never done that, but I've heard some very funny, 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.400 nightmarish stories about that. Yeah, I don't know who was. 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.120 We were hearing a story about a guy who was 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.600 like a couple of guys like going around and like, hey, 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:26.920 this guy lives in Denver, Like I should just reach 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:28.680 out to him he was on that season, Like he'll 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:30.600 know who I am, and they end up crashing there 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.679 in his guest bedroom. Well, I've heard some funny stories 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.159 about Ben Higgins offering his place up to some people. 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.039 I think that's the story you're prop now. It's yeah, 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:43.600 it's coming back to me now. Yeah, I mean I'm 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:45.920 not saying it's a good idea. I'm just saying it happens. Yeah, 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.840 it's not that weird. But you're right, especially in hindsight, 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.039 it's not. Um, so you just showed up at Jared's 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.240 bar and you're like, Hey, I'm gonna be on the 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.040 season in the back. That's I mean, that's I think 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:58.719 that's a power move. I think that takes a lot 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:02.279 of bravery and a lot of courier It's really cool. Yeah, 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.560 I feel like at that time, I was so like lost. 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.040 I didn't know what to expect, like the season hadn't aired, it, 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:08.880 like nothing had happened yet, and I was just like 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.719 sitting with all of this like knowledge and all of 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:16.160 this anxiety about the future. And so I'm so glad 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.640 that I had Jared nastionally to kind of shepherd me 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:24.080 through the process, because that was it's nerve wracking. It's crazy. Yeah, 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.560 I mean, and Ashley loves doing that to Jared as well. 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.839 But when I was going through the whole Bachelor stuff, 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.240 Ashley acted as my shepherd as well, so she was 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:35.279 helpful helping me make decisions and uh, which you know, 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.760 you guys make great decisions, but I sometimes you put 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.240 a lot of your faith in someone you don't even 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.560 know at all, and it's well, yeah, it's more like 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:48.240 for Ashley and I I think, especially now, we're our 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.640 advice for Jill. When Jill you were like, I don't 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:52.919 know if I should do Paradise, and it was like 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:59.760 just we were just like, just go and be unapologetically yourself, 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:04.719 cry like do like go crazy because that's just who 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.440 you are and people are gonna love you for that. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.080 And I feel like, play it out exactly as actually 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.600 and I assumed it would, which is like you, I mean, 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:17.440 obviously we're hoping that you find love the most most importantly, 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:22.240 But through that process, I I felt like You're gonna 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.360 be very Ashley like in terms of you just like 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.760 just saying exactly what's on your mind with no filter 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:33.080 and just being so emotional and so fantastic. And I 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.440 feel like so many people love you for just being 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.440 yourself and and and not being afraid of that. Yeah, 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.120 I definitely did take your advice. I remember being like, 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.120 I don't know if I should do Paradise, like blah blah. 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.840 I was sot on it. But then once I did 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:48.440 it and I'm helping you guys, I knew you guys 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:49.760 were going to so I was like, oh my god, 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.119 like this will be good, Like I all my friends 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:54.440 are there, and yeah, I just kind of really sent 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:58.240 it and I just kind of went like full send, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.280 and I was unapology entically myself. Like people ask me 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:02.680 all the time, like are you really like that in 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:06.640 real life? And it's like kind of like kind of 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:08.840 just like a heightened version, I guess, just because like 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:13.080 you know, all of the factors that go in. But dude, sauce. 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:17.240 Why then are you biting me? Get away whatever? Anyways, Um, 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.880 but yeah, Paradise was just a moment in time. Well, 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:26.640 let's talk about Paradise because I'm curious. Okay, how was 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:30.920 it as a whole experience for you? Because like, it's 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.040 obviously one thing to take advice from Jared and Ashley 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.640 who are happily married with a child. Yeah, you know, 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:38.920 and I guess me too because Caleb and I are 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.240 you know, soon to be wet as well. But how 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:45.200 was it for you? Because we saw you date Jacob predominantly? 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:48.360 I mean that was the big story. That was like 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.240 the main story arc in my opinion, was you and 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:53.680 Jacob and um, but and then you you guys like 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.720 broke up. But then we saw that you might have 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:59.160 gotten back together. But then but then we didn't really 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:04.120 know much you know. Yeah, yeah, I mean, okay, so 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:07.360 Paradise as a whole, I feel like immediately when I left, 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.080 I was like, that was the worst thing ever, never 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.120 ever contact me ever again. I hate this so much. 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.600 Like that was when I first left. But then after 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.520 I you know, it was reminiscing like okay, that was 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.680 kind of fun. And then you know, then it started 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.840 to air, and I was watching myself go like having 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.080 these feelings for people, and then with Jacob it kind 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.880 of was like, oh, like do I still have feelings? 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.200 Like I don't know. We started to talk like during 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:36.120 that time, and then we were filming the reunion and 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.440 I got to see him and it was just like 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.959 I was sober. I was conflicted for such a long time, 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.280 like Jared, and it was like I called up like 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.560 him and Ashley, and I was like, what do I 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:48.960 do about this? Like I was. We were having issues 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:53.120 like long before we even filmed the reunion, and then 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.920 the reunion aired and then he hard launched it and 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:59.800 then immediately it was awful and it was really bad. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.880 It was really bad. But trust is broken. I found 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:06.400 out things that I could not find out and I 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.680 had to break up with them and it was really bad. 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:12.000 And you did the right thing first and foremost. Let's 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.640 just put that in the year. Don't ever forget that, 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.040 which is sure that was the right move. Like Jacob 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:22.200 is very nice, man, I'm not saying that like, yeah, 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.880 I got along with him in Paradise, but you and 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.920 this is no disrespect to Jacob. This is more of 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.480 my respect towards you, Jill, but you can do so 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:36.400 much better. Oh I know, I know. And I was 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.199 just like we were having those conversations. I was having 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.400 those conversations with a lot of people in my life 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.480 during that time. I was like, do I really want 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.480 to commit part, like part of my life to this 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:50.280 dude right now? Can he even does he have the capability? 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.240 Does he like to connect with me on this level? 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.800 Like all those things were running through my mind, and 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:59.520 then I think it was just the nail mccoffin, you know, 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:01.760 like I found out some information that was really the 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:03.679 mail mccoffin, and I was like, all right, like this 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:07.959 is my out. I'm the leave, good luck and good ridding. 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.560 Don't you feel Don't you feel so like vindicated when 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:14.600 you like because a lot of times, uh maybe I'm 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:16.400 just speaking for myself here, but a lot of times 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.360 in my past relationships, you know, you know things are 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.520 going bad, but there isn't like one thing where you 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.120 can be like, all right, that's the thing that's going 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:24.680 to get me out of here, and then something bad 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.120 happens and you're like, well that's perfect, That's exactly what 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:28.840 I was waiting for. Now, I'm not going to be 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.720 a bad guy because you made the mistake and I 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.760 wanted out in the first place. Yeah, yeah, I definitely 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:38.960 felt vindicated for sure. It wasn't what I wanted, Like 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:40.920 I wanted him to, you know, like do a one 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.839 eight and turn into this great like Prince charminga that 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:45.559 was perfect for me, but that was never going to happen. 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.560 So when it was kind of like thrown in my 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.240 face like this is you know, the universe was really 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.600 telling me this is not the path to go on, 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.640 I was relieved. I was sad, and then I was relieved. 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:01.040 The day It's just embarrassing, though, I'll be no, come on, 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.400 it wasn't embarrassing, but it is. Especially it is especially 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.600 challenging when you're getting a lot of input from people 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.240 you've never met telling you how great you guys are together, 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.040 which I would imagine you and Jacob were receiving and 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:14.679 then and then you had you like, wow, maybe we 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.400 really argued together, but in reality you're not good together. 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.200 But you're probably to convince yourself you are. Yes. I 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.160 was like, everyone's like, oh my god, they're made for 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.400 each other, and I'm like, where are we? Like I 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.360 don't know, but I was willing to give it a 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.120 shot because we did have like fun, you know, like 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:34.240 but fun just isn't enough to sustain a relationship. And 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.640 so yeah, that was tough having to deal with like, 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:39.640 oh my god, like do having to deal with public 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.160 perception and having to deal with people be so sad 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.520 like invested in this relationship that I wasn't even that 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:50.679 invisteded to begin with. Um, yeah, it was just that 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:52.880 was that was hard. And then knowing that, oh my god, 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:57.240 like because when the reunion aired, we were we were 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.920 like still together. It was good. Then shortly after that, 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:01.720 like people still thought we were together and they were 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:05.080 expecting like you know, Jacob and Jill content like you know, 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.040 all of that, and I was like, oh my god, 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.240 I have to tell these people this over and I 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.400 can't say why, and like all of these it was 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:16.040 just crazy. Can you say why here? Um, I think 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.160 I kind of alluded to I've alluded to a lot, 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.400 like you know and everything that I've said in other 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.360 podcasts and like to the media. Um, but yeah, the 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.800 trust had been broken, and I think people can kind 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.640 of read between the lines what that means. Let's just 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:38.480 get all of the presumptory, presump presumptuary stuff out of 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:40.560 the way, can you. Let's just just let's just let's 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:42.120 just put it all out there. Let's just say what 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.240 it is. I don't know if I'm gonna say what 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.080 it is, but it was I don't want to say 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:55.360 direct infidelity, but maybe um, you know how in like 0:12:55.480 --> 0:13:00.400 legal terms, there's like, um, it's not murder, but it's 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:07.480 like intent to murder. It's like intent to you know. Yeah, 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.560 I think Jacob was just not in the headspace or 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:17.000 ready to be in a committed relationship with anybody. No, 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:21.160 not at all. And I mean, God bless him, but 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.959 it just was not what I deserved or was looking 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:27.880 for at the time. And you know, yeah, well, I 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.720 guess that's tough, especially, like I said, with the social 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.000 pressure of it all too. It's it's you see it 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.760 time and time again with with men, especially coming off 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.160 these shows, especially you know, like, for lack of a 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.320 better word, mediocre men. Jacob myself included. I do I 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:44.520 fall into this category as well. You go into this 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.480 show and you're just a regular guy going about your life, 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.000 and then you go on the show, and then all 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:50.240 of a sudden, you get a lot of attention that 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.840 you're not used to, and and time and time get 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:54.640 time and time again. Guys go on the show and 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.000 they get that attention and they think that they are 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.640 the best thing since sliced bread, and they you know, 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.559 they forget a lot of the things about what makes 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.640 them themselves and they just want to party and hook 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.160 up with girls peer lack of a better phrase. So 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.160 U yeah, Yeah, the experience of a guy going on 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.040 this show is much different than the experience of a 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.640 woman going on this show, Oh for sure. Yeah. I 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.880 think that because the fan base is mostly female and 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.080 then just all the attention that you get, and guys 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.360 aren't I mean a lot of them haven't watched the 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:29.080 show before. I didn't really watch the show before, but 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.520 I kind of knew what I was getting into. But yeah, 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.360 I feel like we describe it as new cool, like 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.960 they've never kind of been in this space or no 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.920 what it feels like in some guys, like, you know, 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.240 they haven't maybe they grew up and they weren't like 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:47.440 super attractive, but then they you know, they've had this renaissance. Yeah, 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:49.800 and so, and it's on such a national level, so 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.600 I feel like it's new cool. And then I've also 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.840 heard the term bachelor head, like guys get bachelor heads 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:59.000 my gut, Like, yeah, that's funny. I've never heard that. Yeah, 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.600 bachelor head definitely a thing. And I think Jacob did 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.040 suffer from bachelor head, and maybe it's still suffering from 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.320 bachelor head. But that's his own journey and you will 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.720 be able to touch I always tell people, like, you know, 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.040 even when I'm excited for my friends, I'm happy for 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.640 their wins, would have always like touched grass because this 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.640 is fleeting and you have to remember who you are, 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.440 so you know, you have to have pillars of truth 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.600 that you touch, and you know, to touch grass every 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.600 once in a while. I do gotta say one thing. 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.280 I gotta to Jared's horn real quick. I've done four 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:31.479 seasons of Bachelor Too, Paradise, one Winner Games, one regular Bachelorette. 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.280 I've met a lot of guys on this show, and 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.960 I've seen a lot of guys get bachelor head. Jared 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.680 is one of the very few guys. Uh, there's probably 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.120 a handful, maybe two handfuls of guys that I know 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.200 from the Bachelor. Again, this is across eighty guys that 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.480 didn't get bachelor head, Jared, I feel like always had 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.600 a pretty good head on the shoulders in that respect, 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.240 especially like you were never like going out party and 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:55.120 like trying to hook up with chicks. You were like, 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.760 we're focusing on so many other things at all times, 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.320 even when you were single and Moss Angeles. No, well 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.520 thanks bro. But also I had my moments. You know, 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.400 I'm not gonna sit here and be like, oh, I 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.800 never had bachelor head at any moment, but of course 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.320 every time we're out. Dude, when I first went after 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:14.880 the show and tean you could part relate to this, 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.880 and then it happens. It's almost like a shock, you know, 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.920 because I'll never forget when the first after like Bachelor 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.680 started airing, people wanted to meet me and take pictures 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.240 with me. It was more so like, hey, guys, I'm 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.360 not that cool, like I promise you this is weird. 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.240 It was much more of a shot and then it 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.160 kind of settles in, and of course I had like 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.960 moments of weakness. But yeah, I I appreciate you saying 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.280 that where it didn't like encompass my life, I'm saying 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.760 more specifically, you never you never leveraged it to hook 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.560 up with people. I think, at least in my observation, 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:49.080 I just leveraged my natural boy looks and uh, you 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:53.120 used it to you leverage it to get on video 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:56.880 game and Star Wars movie fan trivia. Damn Ryan, I 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.400 still do Collider. I missed those days when I went 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.920 on movie talk and I would do with the showdown. Dude. 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.800 I know it's so funny because um yeah, I would 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:20.240 leverage my bachelor days to do that. But Jell, I 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.479 wanted to ask you too. So recently, obviously you were 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.720 at Audrey's. Andrew and Justin were there, and then you 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.560 posted into stories and tiktoks of like Justin and Andrew 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.239 on the floor rolling around. What the hell were you 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:35.760 guys doing? So yeah, like I because I was gonna 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:37.159 leave Audrey's and I was like all right, like I 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:38.919 just wanted to see them. I was like, all right, guys, 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:40.760 like I'll be just like, no, we want to hang out. 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.040 And I'm like, okay, well it's a Monday night, like 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.960 there's everywhere is closed. It was like eleven o'clock and 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.199 I was like, you can just come like back to 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.120 my place in Newport if you want, And so they 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.600 came back here and I had a couple of drinks 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:58.760 and they were just going off, like I I, they're 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.560 so freaking funny and we would I was. It was 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.040 like a show for me. It was amazing. I was 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.560 just like sitting watching them like just boop boop, like 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.320 two brain cells just like you know, bumping into each other. 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.200 And oh my god, it was just so funny. And 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:14.520 I hadn't really known Justin. They hadn't really talked to 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:16.280 Justin while even though we're in Paradise the other thing. 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.760 You think we would have mingled, like we did not mingle, 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.560 And so I got to know him a lot that night, 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.800 and that was just so funny. They're the best. They 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:28.000 are just hilarious. And anytime I like, any chance I get, 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.720 I feeled to talk to people from the show or 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.760 just see them because I there's no other opportunities for 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.679 me to like, you know, meet up with them. So 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.000 if they're in town, like I'm going to say, let's 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:41.400 hang out, um, but oh my god, they were just 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:46.000 on another one. I don't know, there's can you help 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.320 shut some light on that relationship with me? Because they 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.680 seem like really good friends And as as you're talking 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.840 about them now I think they are as well. But 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.280 on the on Bachelor in Paradise, it seemed like they 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.120 were like combatants against each other and they didn't seem 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.439 like they had a friendship at all. But then you 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.880 see them on social media afterwards and they're like best friends. Yeah. 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.320 I mean I definitely saw that with like Rodney and 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.680 Justin and then I mean at times like Andrew would 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.520 be like really down or Justin would be really down, 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.120 and like, I feel like we can all we were 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.320 all critical of each other's position at one point, or 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:24.359 critical of each other's actions. Like there's one time where 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.000 Andrew said that, like, my parents are going to be 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.480 so embarrassed of me, Like it was like you're an 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:33.400 embarrassment to nature and God, I was like, I know, um, 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:35.320 But I think that once we were taking out of 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.600 that environment, like obviously everyone super supportive, kind of see 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:43.480 things through a clearer lens, and so I feel like, 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:47.320 you know, even even Rodney and Justin are cool, you know, 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.880 like they they'll hang out and they're cool, even though 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:53.840 they had the disagreement overallies it and all that. But 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.560 I honestly think that once you're out of that space 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:58.600 and kind of like get your head down straight. You 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:02.119 realize like your boys are your boy You know that's true. 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.800 Do you? Is there anyone from your season that you 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:12.080 don't get along with? Oh yeah, yes, like actively, how 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.560 to think of anybody in Purtis that you had feud with? 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.040 I mean like Ra, I was just about to say, 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.320 I know, like you and Cira had a thing, but 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:25.240