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Speaker 4: Good morning, and welcome to Counterpoints Sentily.

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Speaker 5: How you doing.

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Speaker 6: I'm good. We've got Tager on deck.

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Speaker 7: Don't we Yes, We've got a great slate of guests today,

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Speaker 7: Slash co host, So we've got Sager who's going to

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Speaker 7: join us for about half of the show. After that,

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Speaker 7: we're going to be joined by one of the two

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Speaker 7: victims of the assault in Crown Heights last week. This

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Speaker 7: woman was a random bystander who was just checking out

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Speaker 7: the scene. Somebody started filming, so she put us kind

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Speaker 7: of scarf over her face and Instantly, this crowd of

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Speaker 7: pro Israel people is like, Oh, she must be anti

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Speaker 4: Her face and.

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Speaker 7: A harrowing scene emerge. This will be her first on

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Speaker 7: camera interview. Eric Adams has actually asked her to come

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Speaker 7: forward so that he can press charges against the people

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Speaker 7: who were involved with this. We have new video footage,

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Speaker 7: and we have her video footage which has not been

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Speaker 7: seen before, so you're going to see this mob kind

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Speaker 7: of from her perspective. We're also going to talk to

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Speaker 7: African journalist churn Oba. He's going to talk about the

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Speaker 7: what's going on in Africa post USAI D. He has

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Speaker 7: been a longtime critic of American interference in Africa and

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Speaker 7: USA I D. So he's gonna he'll talk about that

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Speaker 7: and a bunch of other things. GDP numbers came out

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Speaker 7: this morning, so we'll talk about that. Last night, Donald

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Speaker 7: Trump did an interview with Terry Moran, Wild, interview with Wild,

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Speaker 7: interview with Tam Moran, a rally, he met with Gretchen Whitmer.

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Speaker 7: I think the theme of today's show is the break

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Speaker 7: with reality in a way that we haven't really seen in.

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Speaker 4: Our politics before. There's just some it's just getting weird.

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Speaker 6: Didn't that happen in like twenty fifteen?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Ish, Well, well, when you start to hear Donald Trump talking,

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Speaker 7: let's see if like these aren't even lies, these are

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Speaker 7: just like this guy.

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Speaker 8: Okay, there are some particularly interesting moments actually in that context.

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Speaker 6: Also the influencer briefings.

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Speaker 8: We're going to do battle over the influencer briefings because

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Speaker 8: I'm out numbered on this.

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Speaker 6: Ryan and Sager want to tear them apart.

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Speaker 7: And you know what the White House is bringing in

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Speaker 7: social media influencers and hosting like parodies of press events.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, some of them definitely deserve to be torn apart.

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Speaker 8: So we will get into all of that. Trump also

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Speaker 8: held a rally last night in addition to this interview

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Speaker 8: with Terry Moran. He's celebrating his first one hundred days

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Speaker 8: in the style Ryan, So we have soundbites from that

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Speaker 7: Going to do it, a wide update on the war

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Speaker 7: in Yemen. A one of our seventy million dollars fighter

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Speaker 7: jets fell off an aircraft carrier.

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Speaker 4: We'll talk about that.

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Speaker 7: B It appears that Scentcom is now taking targeting and

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Speaker 7: information from random ocent people. Sager is going to like

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Speaker 7: this one random ocent people on Twitter and just killing

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Speaker 7: innocent people because they're not double checking the work of

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Speaker 7: these amateurs from like Europe and Houston.

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Speaker 4: And along the way.

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Speaker 7: They bombed an African migrant detention center. So far, sixty

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Speaker 7: eight people have been killed in this strike. They said

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Speaker 4: A quick health update on the Grim family.

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Speaker 7: We can bring Sager in here because Sager will appreciate this.

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Speaker 7: When there was the overhead cam a couple weeks ago,

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Speaker 4: Viewers said, you got to get this hymns monoxidil thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Ryan, you got to You got to

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Speaker 3: check your testosterol levels on that one.

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Speaker 1: You should watch out.

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Speaker 4: So that my tea levels are going to collapse.

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Speaker 7: The other the other health update, my wife's pathology report

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Speaker 7: came back and no residual cancer.

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Speaker 7: There'll be some radiation and some other things, but uh,

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Speaker 7: Fuller head of hair, no cancer like. Things are looking up.

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Speaker 6: Life couldn't be better for Ryan right now.

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad to hear it. Ryan, And thank you

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Speaker 4: Appreciate appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 7: We're going to start by talking about, uh this the Amazon,

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Speaker 7: the up and down with Amazon. Oh so, so Amazon

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Speaker 7: begins the day with reporting and punch.

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Speaker 4: Bowl that there's going there.

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Speaker 7: They're going to start listing the extra price that you're

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Speaker 7: paying based on the tariffs. The end of the day

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Speaker 7: without that, and throughout the day. I think it's a

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Speaker 7: lesson in our contemporary politics. But let's roll this first side.

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Speaker 4: So it was.

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Speaker 9: Reported this morning Amazon will soon display a little number

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Speaker 9: next to the price of each product that shows how

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Speaker 9: much the Trump tariffs are adding to the cost of

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Speaker 9: each product. So isn't that a perfect crystal clear demonstration

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Speaker 9: that it's the American consumer and not China who is

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Speaker 9: going to have to pay for these policies.

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Speaker 10: I will take this since I just got off the

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Speaker 10: phone with the President about Amazon's announcement. This is a

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Speaker 10: hostile and political act by Amazon. Why did Amazon do

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Speaker 10: this when the Biden administration height inflation to the highest level.

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Speaker 6: In forty years.

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Speaker 10: And I would also add that it's not a surprise because,

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Speaker 10: as Reuters recently wrote, Amazon has partnered with a Chinese

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Speaker 10: propaganda arm. So this is another reason why Americans should

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Speaker 10: buy American. It's another reason why we are on shoring

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Speaker 10: critical supply chains here at home to shore up our

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Speaker 5: Zo is still a Trump supporter.

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Speaker 10: Look, I will not speak to the President's relationships with

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Speaker 10: Jeff Bezos, but I will tell you that this is

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Speaker 7: All Right, So, this allegedly hostile act was first reported

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Speaker 7: by punch Bowl after that White House interaction. You've moved

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Speaker 7: now to A three very quickly. Here's Jeff Stein reporting

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Speaker 7: on an Amazon statement. Quote, the team that runs our

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Speaker 7: ultra low cost Amazon Hall store has considered listing import

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Speaker 7: charges on certain products. This was never a consideration for

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Speaker 7: the main Amazon site, and nothing has been implemented on

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Speaker 7: any Amazon properties. But wait, there's more. But wait, there

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Speaker 7: is more. Donald Trumps asked about this back and forth.

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Speaker 7: Let's roll Trump.

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Speaker 11: Great. Jeff Bezos was very nice, he was terrific.

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Speaker 5: He solved the.

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Speaker 11: Problem very quickly, and he did the right thing, and

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Speaker 11: it's a good guy.

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Speaker 8: So when from punch bowl to the briefing, to Jeff

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Speaker 8: Stine to Donald Trump himself, Sager, what did you make

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Speaker 8: of that play by play in the I think all

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Speaker 8: of that went from like eight am to one pm.

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Speaker 7: With Amazon stock moving as a result the whole time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think my meta takeaway from all

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Speaker 3: of this is just how different and how frankly a

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Speaker 3: to remind everyone whenever we were covering this stuff last

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Speaker 3: week on the Chinese version of Amazon, they are actually

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Speaker 3: advertising state subsidized discounts. They're calling them patriotic discounts, saying, hey,

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Speaker 3: Chinese people, if you are patriotic, stand up to the

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Speaker 3: United States, buy Chinese. Here's a discount from the state.

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Speaker 3: We must save our supply chains. Meanwhile, here we are

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Speaker 3: in our country where the price is going up no

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Speaker 3: matter what. Except the President and Bezos, you know, the

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Speaker 3: President of the United States are basically coming together to

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Speaker 3: make sure that the label is not there to say

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Speaker 3: that this is as a result of the tariffs. I

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Speaker 3: also want to say this as well. The White House

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Speaker 3: might be trying to do some sort of political layoup

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Speaker 3: in the future. They're going to say, look, Amazon prices

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Speaker 3: have not gone up all that much. That is just

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Speaker 3: categorically not true. The reason why is that while the

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Speaker 3: price may remain the same on Amazon, Amazon is currently

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Speaker 3: engaged in economic warfare against all of its suppliers.

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Speaker 1: I was just reading yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Amazon is demanding in the same way that Walmart, Target

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Speaker 3: and all the other large retailers are. They are saying

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Speaker 3: not touching one dollar of this. They have the power

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Speaker 3: of that because of the reliance of those platforms, of

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Speaker 3: and Walmart, they are all going to be generally fine. Yes,

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Speaker 3: there may be some little bit of increase in price,

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Speaker 3: but the real crime here is for the small business

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Speaker 3: let's say that relies on Amazon. Let's say they sixty

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Speaker 3: or seventy percent of volume. I don't know if you

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Speaker 3: somebody who bought something from Hong Kong where they paid

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Speaker 3: And Amazon is telling them no, no, no, no, you're eating that,

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Speaker 3: and so Costco, Walmart, Target, and Amazon, the big four

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Speaker 3: you know that can result both in a wipeout of

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Speaker 3: ones who are losing here. And I just want to

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Speaker 3: highlight the difference in these two state strategies, Like, on

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Speaker 3: the one hand, you have a state over in China,

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Speaker 3: which is not just really because they don't care about

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Speaker 3: Amazon in their own way, right because they control it. Instead,

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Speaker 3: they care about the suppliers that I just talked about.

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Speaker 3: Those are the backbone of the United States economy and

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Speaker 3: they're the exact people who are not being helped right

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Speaker 3: now by government policy. In fact, they're the ones with

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Speaker 3: who are freezing cash flow, have a lot of inventory uncertainty.

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Speaker 3: They're the ones who are not placing right They're the

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Speaker 3: ones not placing their orders in this dramatic freight drop

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Speaker 3: off from China. And so watching that, I actually in

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Speaker 3: a lot of ways, it's just like COVID, all the

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Speaker 3: big companies, the Fortune five hundred, they made off like bandits.

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Speaker 1: You know, who are the people who went bankrupt? Small business?

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Speaker 3: You have restaurants, you know, employees or five you know,

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Speaker 3: contractors and others.

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Speaker 1: Those are the people that really suffer in something like this.

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Speaker 3: And so that's where I want to zoom out of

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Speaker 3: even just Trump and Amazon, and like this is about

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Speaker 14: Well, we're not going to talk about who's talking to whom.

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Speaker 5: Off these tariffs.

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Speaker 14: They're unsustainable for them, and they are saying, you guys

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Speaker 8: Quickly two days ago that you didn't know if President

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Speaker 14: Again, I would say, Caroline and I have a lot

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Speaker 8: I know?

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Speaker 13: God does she?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well let's interpret they're not talking. They're not talking

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Speaker 6: Well no, that's exactly what I'm just gonna say. Framing

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Speaker 8: Even talking to China as the quote unquote nitty gritty

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Speaker 8: is completely wi. There's nothing nitty or gritty about that question.

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Speaker 8: It's really the question for the entire global economy right now.

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Speaker 6: Anyone else went away, And before we go to Howard Lutnik.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I just think broadly again, like, this is

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Speaker 3: the Chinese fact. But this the other You don't need

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Speaker 3: nothing to discuss. Take the tariffs off and that's it.

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Speaker 3: we're able to talk. Okay, that's the Japanese. Those are

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Speaker 3: have a zero let me reiterate this, a zero percent

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Speaker 3: You know, and it's not about the tariffs. Are we

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: Ninety nine percent By the way of kids toys, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: Actually, Mary, I.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, guess what over ninety five percent of that is

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Speaker 7: Yeah they're reasonable. My reusable diaper are good. They've gotten

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Speaker 7: they've gotten a lot better. And they're probably made in

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Speaker 15: If we get a headline that we've signed some deal

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Speaker 16: Should say, would you say that well, Treasury Secretary Vestent

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Speaker 16: is the rest of the world's trade deals. So they

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Speaker 16: Now here's the point. I have a deal done, done,

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Speaker 13: I'm not going to tell you what country.

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Speaker 15: It's just you and me here and have a couple

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Speaker 16: Hopefully I'll have the president decide so and then there

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Speaker 16: But all of these are going to be coming, and

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Speaker 13: Find the people to work here? Right, you're north of Phoenix.

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Speaker 16: Does you go to the community colleges and you train people.

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Speaker 16: You started seventies eighties, ninety thousand dollars. These are trade craft.

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Speaker 16: It's time to train people not to do the jobs

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Speaker 16: grandkids work here. You know, we let the auto plants

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Speaker 16: It's highly automated. But the people, the four five thousand

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Speaker 12: You take it.

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Speaker 8: So, who wants to take a guess at what Howard

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, don't ask me. Go and ask anybody

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Speaker 3: who's ever tried to go scot business over there. Yeah,

443
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Speaker 3: just talking about yesterday, any of these folks. It's true.

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I no hate. They're doing what they

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Speaker 3: need to do because they believe in the protective economy.

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Speaker 3: They don't want another country to be able to have

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Speaker 3: any say over its global affairs. I respect that, but

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Speaker 3: let's be serious here and not say that this is

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Speaker 3: not one of the most difficult markets in the entire

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Speaker 3: world for any US company to do business in.

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Speaker 1: That is just obvious.

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Speaker 3: And yet you know they're willing to take reciprocal tariffs

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Speaker 3: maybe there, but they're not willing to take it over

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Speaker 3: with Japan. The whole thing is just preposterous. And you

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Speaker 3: know the level of uncertainty that they've injected now you know,

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Speaker 3: into the small business supply chain, and honestly, even the

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Speaker 3: pain that they are already. Listen, the tariffs go off tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. That's still an entire what month, maybe

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Speaker 3: quarter of economic growth wiped out like that. And for

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Speaker 3: a small business, I mean, look it's only what seven

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Speaker 3: to ten percent, But I run a small business here

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Speaker 3: with Crystal. I mean, could we really go a quarter

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Speaker 3: with like no money? I don't really know business that

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Speaker 3: could do that, you know, or if you can, you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe you can make it work.

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Speaker 1: But that's that's a lot of stress. That's that's a

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Speaker 1: heart attacks.

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Speaker 3: That's you know, people getting fired, having to ask people

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Speaker 3: to take you know, okay, can I can I pay

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Speaker 3: in sixty days?

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Speaker 1: You know that type of thing. You don't want to

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Speaker 1: be doing that to your vendor.

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Speaker 3: That has all cascading effects all throughout the economy.

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Speaker 7: If you think about the blood, sweat and tears that

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Speaker 7: has gone into so many of these businesses, when you

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Speaker 7: talk about the pain, like that's the part that has

477
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Speaker 7: really been been hitting me. And actually over at Dropside,

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Speaker 7: I think we've seen a plateauing, you know, even though

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Speaker 7: we're not like importing anything, but just just as people

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Speaker 7: I think, are you know, pinching their pennies more because

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Speaker 7: the consumer confidence has completely collapsed.

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Speaker 4: It's so hard to build.

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Speaker 7: A small or medium sized business, and people put their

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Speaker 7: entire lives into it, and then their lives depend on it,

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Speaker 7: and sometimes their own the rug just being ripped out

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Speaker 7: from under them is just brutal.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and sometimes small towns are revolving around these small businesses.

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Speaker 8: And to Howard Lutin's suggestion that we are bringing all

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Speaker 8: these jah blah blah blah, this administration has no industrial

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Speaker 8: policy to train these workers to augment changes in the market,

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Speaker 8: to augment what might happen to small businesses.

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Speaker 6: They actually have nothing.

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Speaker 8: And so I think it's fairly audacious for Howard Lutink

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Speaker 8: to come out and talk about all of these things

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Speaker 8: that should happen that are going to happen, while the

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Speaker 8: administration really it's a soccer.

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Speaker 6: Maybe I've missed something.

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Speaker 8: Are they doing literally, are they putting any policy forward

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Speaker 8: that is helping workers and helping communities and helping the

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Speaker 8: economy broadly shift to meet the changes that they're inducing.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I've been off the grid last couple

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Speaker 3: of days dealing with all this stuff, but lesson anything

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Speaker 3: he's broken in the last four days.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can enlighten me.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the current position of the United States government

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Speaker 3: is that you will be charged a massive surcharge if

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Speaker 3: you do if you import anything of broad even if

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Speaker 3: you build it here in the United States, and thus

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Speaker 3: it is incumbent upon you to eat into your margin

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Speaker 3: to invest here in America. Okay, I mean, look, we

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Speaker 3: could talk numbers. Let's say ten for ten, as in

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Speaker 3: I would take ten percent of my margin, and you

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Speaker 3: give me a ten percent break on taxes. Everybody wins, right,

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Speaker 3: you know, I invest a little bit here. Kapax is

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Speaker 3: super expensive. Ask anybody who's ever built anything in the

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Speaker 3: physical world. And so I don't see I don't see

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Speaker 3: one single proposal. In fact, the only civil war that

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Speaker 3: I can see happening right now in Congress for Republicans

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Speaker 3: is whether or not to cut Medicare or Medicaid.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a whole other discussion.

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Speaker 3: But we're not even talking about tax breaks for people

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Speaker 3: who are small businesses, or write offs or anything if anything. Actually,

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Speaker 3: as I understand it, they want to take a lot

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Speaker 3: of that away. It's called for it's like forty five acts.

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Speaker 3: I think it is a manufacturing task credit, which was

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Speaker 3: built into the Inflation Reduction Act. They want to get

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Speaker 3: rid of that, okay, and that was one of the

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Speaker 3: only things that got you know, some of these companies

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Speaker 3: to actually build a fact Now listen, it's fine.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: The objection from the Republicans is like, oh, that's all

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Speaker 3: this green energy bs fine, Expand it for everything, make

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Speaker 3: it for oil.

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Speaker 1: I don't care, you don't do whatever.

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Speaker 3: Just just make sure that it builds something here in America,

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Speaker 3: if anything you'd like, Yeah, you're right, it shouldn't be

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Speaker 3: totally restricted to renewables or whatever. Build it for everything,

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Speaker 3: you know, for the entire you know, made in America.

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Speaker 3: And then the green the green energy can get it.

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Speaker 3: Everybody can get it. Fine, if that's what we want

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Speaker 3: to do. But you don't even hear that, right because

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Speaker 3: it's this is why it's just all it's it's just

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Speaker 3: there's nothing to it beyond the service level.

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Speaker 7: And on your Medicaid point, oh no, on your Medicaid

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Speaker 7: point real quickly, Bernie Moreno Ohio Republican new you know,

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Speaker 7: Freshman Center just came out and told the House forget

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Speaker 7: it with your Medicaid cuts, Like those are cuts you're.

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Speaker 4: Calling them, not cuts.

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Speaker 7: We see them as cuts, and we're not doing it.

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Speaker 7: So you know, the nose always win Congress, So even

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Speaker 7: that is struggling. I wanted to finish though with speaking

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Speaker 7: of reality.

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Speaker 4: Usually we go.

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Speaker 6: To which have you put Chinese propaganda in the road?

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Speaker 12: Down?

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Speaker 17: Usually we go down honestly this time right, so, but

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Speaker 17: usually when it comes when it comes to the US side,

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Speaker 17: you're you can disagree or agree with him, but it's

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Speaker 17: more likely to be based in reality.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 7: And the Chinese are the ones that are going to

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Speaker 7: give you just flagrant nonsense propaganda.

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Speaker 13: Uh.

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Speaker 7: In this case, this is what the Chinese are putting

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Speaker 7: out in English through their Ministry of Foreign Affairs website,

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Speaker 7: basically in response so trying to buck up the entire

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Speaker 7: world against us, but also in response to the claims

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Speaker 7: from the United States government that there are some deals,

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Speaker 7: you know, they're conversations happening there, getting down to the

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Speaker 7: nitty gritty. So this is a much longer video, but

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Speaker 7: just a little slice of it. Watch this and then

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Speaker 7: ask yourself, is this a video made by a country

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Speaker 7: that is engaged earnestly in negotiations with in a good

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Speaker 7: faith way with a partner at the moment.

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Speaker 4: So let's let's roll this.

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Speaker 7: From the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

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Speaker 5: The US has.

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Speaker 15: Stirred up a global tariff storm and deliberately targeted China,

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Speaker 15: playing a ninety day pause game with other nations, forcing

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Speaker 15: them to limitrade with China. This is just like the

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Speaker 15: deadly trap of the eye of the storm. Bowing to

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Speaker 15: a bully is like drinking poison to quench thirst. It

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Speaker 15: only deepens the crisis. The US once accused Japan of

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Speaker 15: dumping semiconductors and crushed companies like Toshiba. Later, it forced

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Speaker 15: Japan to sign the Plaza Accord, pushing the economy into

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Speaker 15: decades of anemic growth.

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Speaker 4: The US also used long arm.

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Speaker 15: Jurisdiction as a weapon, breaking up France's industrial giant Allstons,

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Speaker 15: robbing the country of a national champion. History has proven

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Speaker 15: compromise won't earn you mercy. Kneeling only invites more bullying.

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Speaker 4: China won't kneel downright, Sager.

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Speaker 7: So does that sound like a country that's taking Trump's

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Speaker 7: calls right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just not. I mean, and you're right, you know.

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Speaker 3: The other final irony here is about TikTok. Like I

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Speaker 3: didn't want to highlight that Donald Trump is trying to

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Speaker 3: save TikTok, and the Chinese are like great, and so

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Speaker 3: they are flooding TikTok with stuff like that and targeting

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Speaker 3: America's I mean, I warned this, what happened.

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Speaker 1: We tried to ban it.

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Speaker 3: You were the one who decided you were a king

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Speaker 3: and that you were just going to subvert you know,

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Speaker 3: US law and say that I'm not going to ban it.

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Speaker 3: It's like, you know what, I just feel like that

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Speaker 3: scene in The Joker, I'm like, you get what you deserve. Man.

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Speaker 3: You know, you have the entire population. You have the

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Speaker 3: entire population, which is getting China pilled. I personally really

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Speaker 3: like this guy, but we played him here on the

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Speaker 3: show and he was like, hey, America, here's how many

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Speaker 3: things made in my house from America? He goes, do

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Speaker 3: you have anything made in your house from China? I

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Speaker 3: love this dude. I watched all his videos because so.

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Speaker 6: You only have a house because of America though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but you know he's he actually used to

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Speaker 3: live here, and so he understands us. And he'll just

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Speaker 3: constantly be hitting back and someone will be like, hey,

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Speaker 3: what about nineteen eighty nine, and he's like, this is

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Speaker 3: so he goes, you are so imbued with propaganda, and

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Speaker 3: then he'll list off like Kent State and all these

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Speaker 3: other and I was like, hey.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I mean, the guy has a point, you know

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Speaker 1: what kind of saying.

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Speaker 4: Well as Trump says, now you think we're not killers?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you think we're no what do you say? We

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Speaker 3: think you're so innocent? You think we're so innocent? And

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Speaker 3: there's something just refreshing. I think about watching that now Pervade,

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Speaker 3: because look, I mean I don't even think it should

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Speaker 3: be here, but Trump is actively as the person who

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Speaker 3: wants to save it and is now you know, paying

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Speaker 3: the price for the very thing that he that he

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Speaker 3: that he's now.

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Speaker 1: Trying to do with respect to tariffs. It's just amazing.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't able to join you guys for the one

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Speaker 3: hundred Day episode, and it's like it's crazy, you know,

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Speaker 3: to watch them in the same breath.

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Speaker 1: This is the most successful one hundred days ever.

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Speaker 3: You know, I have a great FDR one hundred day

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Speaker 3: book behind me, and I'm like, this is a joke compared.

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Speaker 1: To I mean, what a joke.

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Speaker 3: All we have seen is just I mean, Doge is

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Speaker 3: a massive listen We'll take their claim I like to

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Speaker 3: take people's claims and take the take the subjectivity out

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Speaker 3: of it, and just be like, Okay, you said you're

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Speaker 3: gonna cut two trillion, Now it's gonna be like fifteen

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Speaker 3: billion at best, right at best in terms of because

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Speaker 3: they said one fifty and of that actually one hundred

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Speaker 3: and thirty five is fake.

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Speaker 1: So fifteen billion.

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Speaker 3: Wow, congratulations, that's like maybe what less than a day

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Speaker 3: of the overall.

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Speaker 6: I feel like I do that the budget?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so thanks, Then what mass deportation? Nope, numbers

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Speaker 3: are exactly the same as Obama and okay, and does

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Speaker 3: Bush instead, you know, even ignited all of this. Basically,

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Speaker 3: you've had opened a massive credibility gap with the whole

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Speaker 3: enemy's aliens Act. Trump is out there actually claiming that

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Speaker 3: the MS thirteen things is real on a break a

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Speaker 3: guard see his knuckles like that. That's the level of

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Speaker 3: discourse which we've been subjected to. Signal Gate, the ceasefire

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Speaker 3: and Gaza you know, fell apart the ceasefire in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Nothing there is currently happening.

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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, the only I would say there are

664
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Speaker 3: only two like a grades from my perspective, again in

665
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Speaker 3: terms of what they said they were going to do.

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Speaker 3: One is the Iran negotiations, which as you and I know,

667
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Speaker 3: very tenuous and that could blow up at any time.

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Speaker 3: And the border crossings they actually did accomplish that. Beyond that,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I would probably give him

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Speaker 3: an f on every single one of the ways that

671
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Speaker 3: this has been implemented, again both by its success, it's implementation,

672
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Speaker 3: and then sinking your goodwill with the overall American public.

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Speaker 1: Now it's Trump. Can he come back?

674
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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: You know, listen, you know you beat an idiot at

676
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Speaker 3: this point to count him out entirely.

677
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Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't really know where things go.

678
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Speaker 7: From here, and Trump seems to not be Usually Trump's

679
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 7: genius is a tactile feel for where the American public is.

680
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Speaker 7: He seems to have completely lost it and he seems

681
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Speaker 7: to be in a bubble. And we'll talk about that

682
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Speaker 7: more in this next segment. We'll have ADP jobs where

683
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Speaker 7: we'll have GDP numbers, and we've got Trump's interview with

684
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Speaker 7: Terry Murran.

685
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Speaker 4: Stick around for that.

686
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 7: GDP and job numbers are out and neither are looking

687
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Speaker 7: very good. Let's put his first element up on the

688
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Speaker 7: screen economists that expected something around one point four percent

689
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Speaker 7: a year over year increase. Instead we got a zero

690
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Speaker 7: point three percent dropped, the first contraction of the economy

691
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Speaker 7: since the pandemic since the pandemic. ADP private payroll numbers

692
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Speaker 7: also came out. They rose at only sixty two thousand jobs.

693
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Speaker 7: Dow Jones and others had been expecting more like one

694
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Speaker 7: hundred and fifty thousand.

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Speaker 4: Jobs added to the payrolls, So.

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Speaker 7: Only sixty two is being received by the markets as

697
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Speaker 7: a huge problem now, Saga. The GDP is interesting in

698
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Speaker 7: the way that it factors in imports. Obviously, the D

699
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Speaker 7: stands for domestic, and so imports are kind of subtracted out.

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Speaker 7: What you saw in March was this massive surge in

701
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Speaker 7: purchasing of imports to get ready for Liberation Day because

702
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Speaker 7: Trump said Liberation Day is coming, so everybody batten down

703
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Speaker 7: the hatches. And so it's not supposed to count around

704
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Speaker 7: GDP because you know it counts and then it gets

705
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Speaker 7: subtracted back out. But money that you would spend on

706
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Speaker 7: imports is money that you just buy definition don't have

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Speaker 7: to spend on something else. You know, think about it

708
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Speaker 7: in terms of a household. If you if you need,

709
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Speaker 7: you know, to do some landscaping and you need to

710
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Speaker 7: buy a new refrigerator, and all of a sudden, you

711
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Speaker 7: got to buy the fridge, You're not going to do

712
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Speaker 7: the landscaping or whatever like So, so some domestic things

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Speaker 7: didn't get done because of the imports. So that did

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Speaker 7: play a role. But what do you make of the

715
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Speaker 7: first contraction? And this is March, so we're we're talking

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Speaker 7: about ending March thirty first, so these numbers do not count.

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Speaker 6: April Liberation Day was actually April.

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Speaker 7: April second, per second souse. They didn't want it to

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Speaker 7: be the April Fool's Day.

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Speaker 6: That's right.

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Speaker 3: I want people to not pay attention to the top

722
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Speaker 3: number and instead look at the trend. So the overall

723
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Speaker 3: trend is that yes, it was because of good imports,

724
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Speaker 3: but it was consumption slowed to just one point eight percent,

725
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Speaker 3: down from four percent at the end of twenty twenty four.

726
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Speaker 3: So that shows almost what is one hundred percent reduction

727
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Speaker 3: in consumption that happened in just a three month period.

728
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Speaker 3: That's devastating, you know, to a lot of businesses. And quote,

729
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: final sales to domestic purchasers came in at just two

730
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Speaker 3: point three percent, down from about three percent at the

731
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Speaker 3: age of twenty twenty four. Those two things are what matter,

732
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Speaker 3: I think, even more than the import craziness, because this

733
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Speaker 3: is from Heather Long. If you set aside the import craziness,

734
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Speaker 3: the economy slowed in the Trump early days, but it

735
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Speaker 3: didn't collapse. That said, the risk of recession is now

736
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Speaker 3: real with the hefty tariff. So for me, the decline

737
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Speaker 3: in consumption is the number one story. It fits with

738
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Speaker 3: the consumer Confidence index falling to twenty twenty two, and

739
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Speaker 3: it also just shows us you know, what a contraction

740
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Speaker 3: can look like, because if you have high impoort duties,

741
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Speaker 3: low consumption, mass layoffs or at least some sort of layoffs,

742
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Speaker 3: you have high uh you know, unemployed, higher unemployment, and

743
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Speaker 3: interest rates have to remain high because technically inflation will

744
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Speaker 3: still remain at least you know, baseline of kind of

745
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Speaker 3: where it is right now, You're gonna have the stagflation

746
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Speaker 3: type scenario, which is externally affected and I actually don't

747
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Speaker 3: even think it fits that neatly into a box. The

748
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Speaker 3: consumption figure screams volumes, because that is uncertainty. That's you,

749
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Speaker 3: that's me, that's Ryan Emily and all of us where

750
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Speaker 3: even subconsciously, right before we're about to make a purchase,

751
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Speaker 3: Do I really need this right now? Should I just

752
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Speaker 3: be putting this in the bank? Should I keep keep

753
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Speaker 3: doing this?

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Speaker 6: Women?

755
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Speaker 4: Oh? Oh really, you're just buying it?

756
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean honestly, I noticed I didn't include my wife.

757
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Speaker 1: Yeah, women be shopping women, all right?

758
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Speaker 5: Yeah? Is uh?

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Speaker 3: The point is that as that manifests across the economy,

760
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Speaker 3: you see the ups you know style stuff, you see

761
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: a few of the plants and these other things, layoffs

762
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Speaker 3: began to happen. Consumer retail is going to start to

763
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Speaker 3: get slowly dragged down. And that is when you see,

764
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Speaker 3: you know things I always think about gift shops, candle

765
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Speaker 3: shops in a nice tourist area.

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Speaker 1: You're dead.

767
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Speaker 3: If you see twenty percent, you know, reduction in overall

768
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Speaker 3: visitors and the people who are visiting have like have

769
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Speaker 3: you know, on a tighter budget, you're.

770
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Speaker 4: Done in your inventory?

771
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Speaker 3: Upstate New York, Yeah, You're inventory costs twice as much.

772
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Speaker 3: If you're in upstate New York or in Washington and

773
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Speaker 3: you're heavily reliant on Canadians, you're dead.

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Speaker 1: Are you guys seeing this stuff?

775
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: Out of Vegas about how Vegas is devastating right now,

776
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: absolutely devastated. They're like, their occupancy rate is apparently low.

777
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Speaker 3: I just thought Nate Silver, he was like, Oh, I'm

778
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Speaker 3: booking my rooms for the WSOP that's coming up, and

779
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Speaker 3: it's some of the lowest rates that I'd ever seen.

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Speaker 3: A lot of it is from international travel and also

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Speaker 3: just broad consumption.

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Speaker 7: And the tourism point is a key one because the

783
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Speaker 7: biggest bright spot in the jobs report was in leisure

784
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Speaker 7: and hospitality.

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Speaker 4: So that's March.

786
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Speaker 7: We know for a fact that in April the biggest

787
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Speaker 7: bright spot turned very dark.

788
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Speaker 4: It is getting quite ugly.

789
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Speaker 7: And we can put up this chart, which I believe

790
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Speaker 7: is B two, which goes exactly to Sager's point. This

791
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 7: is a consumer confidence index. Obviously, sometimes there are material

792
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Speaker 7: reasons for the number going from straight downward towards the floor.

793
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Speaker 7: If you look at two thousand and seven, eight nine,

794
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 7: we know why it crashed back. Then we look at

795
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 7: twenty twenty, we know why it crashed. Then that's the pandemic.

796
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 7: This one is completely driven by decisions just made for

797
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 7: effectively very little reason by Donald Trumps decided to do

798
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 7: this thing, and as a result, you see this number

799
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Speaker 7: just spiking down to the floor. And when the consumer

800
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Speaker 7: economy makes up so much of our economic capacity and

801
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 7: you have people pulling back, that has a that has

802
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Speaker 7: a ripple effect that's going to be felt throughout the economy.

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Speaker 6: Futures are sliding.

804
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Speaker 8: Dow is down about three hundred and fifty points since

805
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Speaker 8: the news came out, and.

806
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Speaker 7: I would think that who knows how the market's going

807
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Speaker 7: to handle it, But you would think that Trump's interview

808
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 7: last night as well would not inspire much confidence in

809
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Speaker 7: the markets.

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Speaker 4: Let's let's play just this this one.

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Speaker 7: Thought uh B three from Terry Moran and Donald Trump

812
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Speaker 7: last night.

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Speaker 18: We basically have an embargo on China. Look to say,

814
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Speaker 18: something's gonna happen. No, okay, well, thing's going to happen.

815
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Speaker 13: You know business. Now I want to ask you, I

816
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 13: do no business.

817
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Speaker 18: And so one hundred and forty tariffs on China, and

818
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 18: that is that basically an embargo. They it'll raise prices

819
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Speaker 18: on everything from electronics to clothing to building houses.

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Speaker 13: You don't know that.

821
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Speaker 11: You don't know whether or not China's mathematics. China probably

822
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Speaker 11: will eat those tariffs. But at one hundred and forty five.

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Speaker 11: They basically can't do much business with the United States,

824
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Speaker 11: and they were making from US a trillion dollars a year.

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Speaker 11: They were ripping us off like nobody's ever ripped us off.

826
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Speaker 11: And by the way, we have other countries that were

827
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Speaker 11: just as bad. If you look at the European Union,

828
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Speaker 11: who is terrible what they've done to us. Every country,

829
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Speaker 11: almost every country in the world was ripping us off.

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Speaker 13: But they're not doing that anymore.

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Speaker 4: I want you to think that inspire any confidence.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you're right, Ryan, I mean it's one of

833
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Speaker 3: those where really what you're watching.

834
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Speaker 1: I mean what Trump.

835
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Speaker 3: Also says is he'll be like, oh, we're having all

836
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Speaker 3: these jobs come back, and they're telling me it's amazing.

837
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Speaker 3: It's like, there's not what that's not true. You literally

838
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 3: listen to the CEO Walmart Target. They're like, we told

839
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Speaker 3: them it would be devastating. That's what they said. It's

840
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: smpirical about I mean, you know, the other really gross

841
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Speaker 3: part about all this is how the auto manufacturers are

842
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Speaker 3: basically just shaking Trump down for exemptions when she announced

843
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Speaker 3: in Michigan, and it's like, okay, so what are we

844
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: doing here?

845
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Speaker 4: Exactly?

846
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Speaker 3: So we don't have exemptions, or actually we do. And

847
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Speaker 3: by the way, the tariffs are also going to apply

848
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Speaker 3: to Toyota if they build in America. So why would

849
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Speaker 3: Toyota continue to build in America? Can anyone riddle me

850
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 3: that one? If your toy if your Toyota, I just

851
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 3: like screw it. You know, I'm done. Why would I

852
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Speaker 3: even want to keep doing business here? It just it

853
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 3: does it's preposterous and it doesn't really make a whole

854
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: bunch of sense. And broadly that continues to shine through

855
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Speaker 3: in Trump's interview. I mean, look in a certain way,

856
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: like you get, you really get exactly what he should like.

857
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: What he is on the screen is exactly how he is.

858
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 3: I can testify to that, you know, on a personal level,

859
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Speaker 3: having met him a couple or interviewed him a couple

860
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Speaker 3: of times. And so anybody who's thinking like it's a

861
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 3: performance or whatever, it's like his life is a performance.

862
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 3: That's how he actually is in all of these meetings.

863
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: So we'll see the one.

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Speaker 4: The one that scared me was when he said that

865
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Speaker 4: tourism is way up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's just us.

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Speaker 7: Terry moransay, Yeah, I'm sorry, what No, it's not it's

868
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Speaker 7: way down. Like these are not differences of opinion here,

869
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 7: like either Las Vegas is a ghost town or it's not.

870
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well in payroll, yeah, Brian, he should ask Steve

871
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Speaker 3: wick Coough, the.

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Speaker 6: Developer, Well, tasty property in Vegas.

873
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah, check the Trump numbers in Vegas. Actually, honestly,

874
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 3: someone should go and track where the room rates at

875
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 3: the Trump International in Vegas and see how they have

876
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 3: trended from November all the way until today. That'd be

877
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 3: a good like chatchypt task or something. I mean, look,

878
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Speaker 3: I could be wrong only because it is Trump and

879
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: there's a lot of maga boomers out there that will

880
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 3: pay a premium just to stay at a Trump property.

881
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 3: But you know, I wouldn't be surprised if they're not

882
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: completely insulated from any sort of economic downturn.

883
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 6: Yeah.

884
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 8: So ADP their report showed private payroll growth slowed in

885
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Speaker 8: April to sixty two thousand. The Dow estimate for that

886
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 8: was one hundred twenty thousand, So another negative indicator. But

887
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 8: if you're worried about all of us, I have good news.

888
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 8: We can roll the final stot Chuck Schumer is on

889
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 8: the case.

890
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 6: Let's play before of.

891
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 13: All the crazy things the Republicans want to do. Now

892
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 13: they want a car tax.

893
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 6: Hell no, hell no, to the contacts.

894
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm inspired. I'm personally inspired.

895
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 6: I feel good.

896
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 4: John, there is done. Let's move on to the influence influencers.

897
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 8: Well, the White House started its influencer briefings this week.

898
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 8: I think we're two influencer briefings in there.

899
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 6: There have been.

900
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 8: There was one on Monday, one on Tuesday. We'll see

901
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 8: where they go going forward. Now, there are some moments

902
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 8: from these briefings that are going massively viral because they

903
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 8: are cringe inducing, painful, and nobody is wrong to cringe

904
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 8: at them.

905
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 6: My very unpopular take is.

906
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Speaker 8: That the moments that aren't going viral have actually not

907
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 8: been bad. So before I make my very unpopular argument

908
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 8: and do battle with Ryan and Sager, let's roll I don't.

909
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 6: Even want to do it. Let's roll this cop see

910
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 6: one of the influence in briefing at the White House

911
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 6: with Caroline love It.

912
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Speaker 19: Over the first one hundred days, the majority of policies

913
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 19: that we've seen from the Trump administration have been either

914
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 19: targeted at foreign affairs, such as bringing the American hostages

915
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 19: home or attempting to end the war between Ukraine and Russia,

916
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 19: or long term goals such as cover cutting government spending

917
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 19: with DOJE. What policies can we expect to see rolled

918
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 19: out over the next few months that Americans will directly

919
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 19: feel the effects of in order to secure the twenty

920
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 19: twenty six midterms for the Republican Party and keep his

921
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,479
Speaker 19: approval rating historically high.

922
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 20: This in the first hundred days is that the White

923
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 20: House is crawling with kids. You have a young, beautiful

924
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 20: baby boy. There are babies everywhere. There's so many young

925
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 20: folks on staff who have kids. But the last four

926
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Speaker 20: years under Joe Biden, parents are really stressed and ravage.

927
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Speaker 20: They had to take on two or three extra jobs.

928
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Speaker 20: Depression rates were up, suicide rates were up. Very high

929
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 20: profile young mother who seems to juggle and balance it

930
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 20: all beautifully. What advice do you have young parents out

931
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Speaker 20: there who are starting their careers, having kids, building families

932
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 20: and trying to find that balance so desperately.

933
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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, it's a great question, and first to the

934
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Speaker 10: heart of your premise, It's true the president has empowered

935
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Speaker 10: not just me as a young mother in this role,

936
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Speaker 10: but there are so many new moms and dads on

937
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Speaker 10: our senior staff in the West Wing, but also across

938
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Speaker 10: the entire administration.

939
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Speaker 8: Can't forget that there's one from the first briefing on

940
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Speaker 8: Monday that we're going to roll. We've got some more

941
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 8: information on this influencer. Let's go ahead and play see

942
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 8: two here.

943
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 21: Thank you for having us here. I've noticed this is

944
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 21: kind of like a repeat of twenty sixteen. The Legacy

945
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Speaker 21: medy has gone back to not reporting anything on President Trump.

946
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 21: At the beginning, we had them reporting everything that he

947
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 21: was doing. Now they're kind of going back again to

948
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 21: not reporting everything that he is actually doing. I'm kind

949
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 21: of the nerd when it comes to reporting. I'm off

950
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 21: the headline newsgirl. I'm the nuts and bolts. I'm the

951
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 21: policy type nerd. So what direction do you advise kind

952
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 21: of me to go into like the White House files

953
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 21: that y'all send out every single day, because that's what

954
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 21: people are used to when they want to ask me

955
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 21: questions they want to know, kind of like the nuts

956
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 21: and bolts of earthing.

957
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 6: Okay, guys, go ahead and react where.

958
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 4: We want to start.

959
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: That reminds me of Brian Stelter asking Jensaki, what can

960
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: we as the media do better? And that was ridiculed

961
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 3: then and it should be ridiculed now. And look, I

962
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 3: think brought Emily.

963
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: This is the thing.

964
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 3: I'm not objecting to everybody in the briefing room. I

965
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 3: am friends with a lot a lot of those people.

966
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: I mean, my man pomp was there sitting in the background.

967
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 3: But my point is not about that. It's actually a

968
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 3: philosophical thing where the White House is just here's my

969
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: main message to a lot of these influencers.

970
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 1: You are being used. They think you're a fucking joke.

971
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 3: I just wanted to be honest with you, because let's

972
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: let's talk about this. Who did Donald Trump choose to

973
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 3: give his one hundred day interviews to The Atlantic Time

974
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: magazine and Terry Moran at ABC News for an oval

975
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 3: office sit down. Yeah, they'll invite you to your city

976
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 3: little briefing so you can glaze them about babies or

977
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 3: whatever is going on. They don't respect you at all.

978
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 3: So even though Trump will sit there and be like, wow,

979
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: what a great question, Trump understands the optics are humiliating

980
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 3: to actually sit down with somebody like you, and the

981
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 3: White House does too. You're a pond, You're a joke,

982
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: You're somebody there just to take up space and to

983
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 3: piss off the media. Now, if you want to actually

984
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 3: do your job, you should ask them questions which are

985
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 3: critical and Ryan, I mean, I really think it's important

986
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: for you to be able to talk about this because

987
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 3: you were once in a similar position in the Huffingon Post.

988
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 5: And what the.

989
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: Huffington Post expertly did under Barack Obama is they challenged

990
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 3: Barack Obama from the left. And so the mission of

991
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: conservative media should not be to glaze the Trump administration.

992
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: It should be to challenge the Trump administration to say,

993
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 3: why haven't you done these things that you promised on

994
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 3: campaign traill? Why are you allowing this? Why are you

995
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 3: not doing You should find internal contradictions. And I'm telling

996
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: you this is the way that I operated in the

997
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: White House, and hey, what do I know. I only

998
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 3: got to interview the president four times in the Oval Office.

999
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: The reason why I did it is not because I

1000
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 3: glazed them. In fact, I'll just reveal it public privately.

1001
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 3: They would all say, yeah, we can't give this to you. Know,

1002
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: whoever is a is a like is glazing us because

1003
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 3: we would look stupid. They're like, when we bring you in,

1004
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 3: you're actually going to ask them critical questions. They they

1005
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 3: don't want the critical question, but they understand that that's.

1006
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: Part of the back and forth.

1007
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 3: So Ryan, I think you should really go off on

1008
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 3: this a little bit because you had the experience.

1009
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, Emily too.

1010
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 8: No, I just want to interject to say my entire

1011
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 8: argument is what the point that you are making here

1012
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 8: is that there actually were questions that didn't go viral

1013
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 8: from some of these influencers people I don't even know

1014
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 8: who were coming at it from the right, and actually

1015
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 8: Sean Spicer, of all people, ask Caroline Levitt why Donald

1016
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 8: Trump is sitting down with Jeffrey Goldberg and other people

1017
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 8: in the corporate press, which I meant to post this,

1018
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 8: but like I do a lot of like helping.

1019
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 7: I was watching that, I was like, is that Sean Spicer? Yes,

1020
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 7: hell is he doing in there?

1021
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,479
Speaker 8: But this is the thing, like I have I don't

1022
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 8: know how many like young conservive journalists. I've said exactly

1023
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 8: what you just said, Sager too.

1024
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 6: And I was meant to.

1025
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 8: Send that from Sean Spicer and be like, he under

1026
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 8: he actually understands this. This is the only way that

1027
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 8: you get respect is asking serious questions. So there were

1028
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 8: questions about Trump's promise for national reciprocity for gun owners,

1029
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 8: a great example of something that nobody in the mainstream

1030
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 8: media would ask about, holding him to account for a

1031
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 8: promise from the right that nobody in the corporate press

1032
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 8: would ask about. Very legitimate question, newsy question, when would

1033
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 8: the when will the wall be built? Another great question

1034
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 8: that one didn't go viral. There was a question this

1035
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 8: was from DC Dreno about the timeline on the Epstein files.

1036
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 8: There was a question about reorganizations of the irs. There

1037
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 8: were some genuinely decent questions that didn't go viral. Now

1038
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 8: to everyone's point, I just want to say, I agree

1039
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 8: that those viral moments speak to something really like rotten

1040
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 8: in conservative media mega media. And I'm also very curious

1041
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 8: to hear Ryan's thoughts on this, because he actually did

1042
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 8: exactly what you said, Sager, which is the right way

1043
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 8: to approach this job, not just for being more successful,

1044
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 8: but also just doing your damn job and respecting your

1045
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 8: viewers and your audience.

1046
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 7: So Ryan tell us, oh, yes, Sager has this exactly right.

1047
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 7: That if you are a journalist with a perspective, whether

1048
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 7: you know you guys on on the right me on

1049
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 7: the left, it's actually easier to do your job when uh,

1050
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 7: there's a center left. If you're a left wing journalist

1051
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 7: and there's a center left president in power, attacking them

1052
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 7: from the left is kind of a lot easier to

1053
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 7: do real interesting work than it is when there's a

1054
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 7: right wing president, because it's not interesting that like the

1055
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 7: Huffet and Post thinks that Donald Trump is wrong about X, Y,

1056
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 7: and Z, because they also think he's wrong about A, B, C, D, E,

1057
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Speaker 7: f G.

1058
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 4: Everything. But when it comes to somebody that.

1059
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 7: You're a little bit closer with, you're able to earnestly say, hey,

1060
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 7: you ran on breaking up the big banks, and now

1061
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 7: we're hearing that Larry Summers is saying you can't break up.

1062
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 4: The big banks.

1063
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 7: You know, you ran on making sure that there is

1064
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 7: a public option for people who can't afford insurance.

1065
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 4: We hear that you're.

1066
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 7: Talking a big farm about getting you know, making sure

1067
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 7: that that's not even in the bill. And finding the

1068
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 7: gap between what they ran on and what they're actually

1069
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 7: doing is where is where the good good journalism is.

1070
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 7: You drive that wedge in there, and you can do

1071
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 7: it more effectively if you actually care.

1072
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 8: And it's your value, right, because you're filling blind spots.

1073
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 8: The entire point of this, that's why I actually like

1074
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 8: the National Reciprocity for gun owners question. Was I thought

1075
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 8: such a good illustration, like this is your value in

1076
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 8: the briefing room is that you are bringing a perspective

1077
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 8: that is underrepresented in the media despite being represented more

1078
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 8: evenly throughout the rest of the population. Trump voters care

1079
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 8: about the promise he made on gun reciprocity, they care

1080
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 8: about the border wall, but their questions aren't represented in

1081
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 8: the briefing room. So it's not only a value add

1082
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 8: for you to be tough on some of these questions

1083
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 8: from the right, it also will be more successful. So like,

1084
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 8: if you want to be successful, you're being stupid by

1085
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 8: being a lapdog.

1086
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, And that's the thing they just don't understand.

1087
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 3: And again Trump understands this. That's why he at the

1088
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 3: end of the day, is not choosing any of these

1089
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 3: people to sit down with. And you know, I just

1090
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 3: don't know because I wonder also if it's an audience thing,

1091
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 3: because there has been so much of a magapill taken

1092
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 3: by a lot of people who are influencers online where

1093
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 3: you know, because they've created a feedback loop through which

1094
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 3: everything all they do is glaze Donald Trump all the time,

1095
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 3: that they don't even have the space or the trust

1096
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Speaker 3: with their audience to be able to challenge Trump and

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00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 3: so that they find it existentially dangerous. I mean, I

1098
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: think it would be fascinating to watch any of these,

1099
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 3: like former free speech warriors, go in there and ask

1100
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 3: about the Palestine thing, right, because that would throw them

1101
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 3: off their game too. They Here's the other thing too

1102
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 3: that people need to understand. It's also about mindset. So

1103
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 3: the mindset of White House pres sectery. When they walk

1104
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 3: into a normal briefing room, it's war. It's literal warfare.

1105
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 3: They're prepared, they're ready to do battle. But when she's

1106
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 3: walking in there, let me guarantee you, she's not doing

1107
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 3: the level of preparation that they are. Whenever they go

1108
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 3: into the briefing room, that's when things get interesting. That's

1109
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 3: when things are very interesting, when you can hear what

1110
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 3: they actually think. I remember once in the first Trump administration,

1111
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: there was this great reporter I think his name was

1112
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 3: Olivier Knox, I forget who we worked for at the time,

1113
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 3: and he was in a back and forth with Spicer

1114
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 3: and he was just like, Hey, what does victory look

1115
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 3: like in Afghanistan? Spicer was like stable and I was like, oh, interesting,

1116
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 3: he don't even know. I was like, what a great question, right,

1117
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 3: you know, because it was it was so fascinating because

1118
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 3: he hadn't prepared for it at all and hit him

1119
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 3: with something and he actually had to think on the spot.

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Speaker 3: It might be one of the few honest moments of

1121
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 3: his entire career. That's actually one of the best things

1122
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: that you could get. I mean, Ryan, you can talk

1123
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 3: about this too. Didn't Obama call you guys out specifically

1124
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 3: on like his first press conference in nine and He's like,

1125
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 3: I could hear a cancer and the Huffingon post would say,

1126
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't do enough.

1127
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 7: It was even better, he said, He said, if I

1128
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 7: were if the huffingon posts were covering Abraham Lincoln when

1129
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 7: he did there and when he did the Emancipation Proclamation,

1130
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 7: they would have highlighted the fact that it didn't apply

1131
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 7: to a few counties and US Virginia and to other

1132
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 7: counties under Confederate.

1133
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: By the way, that's actually fair. That is the Oberator

1134
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: and those people said, just so we're aware.

1135
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 7: Mister yes, and we actually then wrote that article just

1136
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 7: for him, uh, because all of the radical Republican papers

1137
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 7: at the time said the same thing, why are you

1138
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 7: so late on this? And why doesn't this cover everybody?

1139
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 7: And that's the role of that press. So it's like,

1140
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 7: yes and yeah. He would call us out. He would

1141
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 7: call us out pretty regularly, and we ate it up.

1142
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 7: And what my favorite part time was when the New

1143
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 7: York Times editorialized against Larry Summers for FED chair. But

1144
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 7: we had been just absolutely hammering him at the Huffington Post.

1145
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 6: You were very pro Larry Summers for FRED chair and uh, he.

1146
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 4: Did not get He did not get it.

1147
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 7: And in a private meeting with Democrats, Obama complained about us,

1148
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 7: uh and Larry Summers and not the New York Times

1149
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 7: because the New York Times at a total page wasn't

1150
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 7: moving the needle.

1151
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 4: See.

1152
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 6: That's very interesting, right.

1153
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: That was what was crawl see and that's power and

1154
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,959
Speaker 1: then that look, I mean, that's to your point.

1155
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 7: These influencers think that they're going to get access by

1156
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 7: asking these glazing questions when in fact, as you found

1157
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 7: with Trump, it's being adversarial and building your own authority

1158
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 7: that then forces them to answer your questions and otherwise

1159
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 7: they're totally embarrassed. So it was the power that we

1160
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 7: built that forced them. They didn't love us, hated us,

1161
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 7: hated us more than they hated the Daily Caller, probably

1162
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 7: because they're like, oh, yeah they call.

1163
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 4: Of course they're going to beat us up.

1164
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 3: But god post they don't listen. And you know, Emily,

1165
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 3: like you said, I have been on the phone with

1166
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 3: half of these people. They don't listen. They're taking their

1167
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 3: advice from social media, and I just I think, not

1168
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 3: only is it going to age poorly, Like remember all

1169
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 3: of the stars of twenty seventeen in the briefing room

1170
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 3: April Ryan, Jim Acosta. How did it work out? You know,

1171
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 3: I mean these people are jokes. We remember it as

1172
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 3: a joke. So yeah, they got rich, you know for

1173
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 3: a year or for two Jim A. Costallary got fired

1174
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 3: from CNN, humiliating, you know, as part of his brand.

1175
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 3: Nobody looks back on his whole like fight resist, what

1176
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 3: was the whole like grabbing the microphone away from the intern.

1177
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Speaker 3: It's just like it literally is like mass psychosis, right

1178
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 3: that that was even considered acceptable.

1179
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Speaker 1: I think that's how most of these mega media.

1180
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 3: People are going to look, they won't age and you know, look,

1181
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 3: I mean, will they get away with it? Yeah, they

1182
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 3: definitely will. I mean I've been watching to see the

1183
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 3: reception they get on social media. I think it's insane.

1184
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 3: I honestly, I don't really understand it.

1185
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 8: Well, that's the point that I wanted to make because

1186
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 8: I think the distinction between influencers and journalism is quite

1187
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 8: interesting as well, because to the point you were making

1188
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 8: about whether this is audience capture, that's really interesting because

1189
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 8: I think with some of these influencers, it's not even

1190
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Speaker 8: audience capture.

1191
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 6: It's that they want this access.

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Speaker 8: That's not about getting journalism right because they're not journalists,

1193
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 8: so they're not trying to like break stories and move

1194
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 8: the ball forward. What they want is more access for

1195
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 8: social and that's a very different set of incentives. You know,

1196
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 8: they want to be able to go with like Kai

1197
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 8: Trump and Don Junior and like be behind the scenes

1198
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 8: at all of these events.

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Speaker 6: Because that's just sort of where their bread is buttered.

1200
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Speaker 6: Right now.

1201
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 8: They can get maybe sponsorships with it, and it's a

1202
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 8: it's a different I agree that it's a different set

1203
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 8: of incentives than breaking news. And obviously those incentives have

1204
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 8: crept into journalism itself too. But if you don't even

1205
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 8: think of yourself as a journalist, it's true that you

1206
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 8: have important, big audiences. So there's a there's theoretically a

1207
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 8: case for these influencer briefings, but they're not going to

1208
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 8: be the same as the White House press briefing. Nevertheless,

1209
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 8: if you have serious questions, then you should ask the

1210
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 8: serious questions because it will be better off. You will

1211
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 8: actually be respected, Your audience will be interested in it

1212
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 8: because they are following you in that they think you

1213
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 8: are one of their like they're a fellow conservatives, so

1214
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 8: they're probably have the same questions that you do about

1215
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 8: when the border wall is supposed to be done despite

1216
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 8: all of the promises. So, I mean, it's it's obviously, yes,

1217
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 8: it's silly. I hope some of these good questions keep

1218
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 8: getting asked even if they're not going viral, because this

1219
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 8: really ties a bow on everything.

1220
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 6: We've just talked about. You don't go viral for asking

1221
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 6: a good question about sometimes.

1222
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 3: You do, though you can actually sometimes you do. Yeah, right, right,

1223
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 3: what the That's what these other people don't get. It's like,

1224
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 3: if you want real fame or like success or any

1225
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 3: of the stuff. You can get it by doing kind

1226
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 3: of what you're trying to do. But it's just it's

1227
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 3: harder whatever, it's much harder. It takes a level of

1228
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 3: intellectualism and history and of knowledge, you know, to get there.

1229
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 3: But you know, they've chosen their path, and I mean,

1230
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 3: I think they just look like a joke and that

1231
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 3: you know, four years from now, they're not going to

1232
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 3: be able to even have a career.

1233
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Speaker 1: And from that point forward, like you got to.

1234
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 3: Ask existential questions because look, all the warning signs were there,

1235
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 3: and they're just feeding into this mass hysteria at the moment.

1236
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: So we'll see, we'll see how it goes.

1237
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, guys, so stop embarrassing yourself. So let's move on

1238
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 7: now to Donald Trump's rally last night.

1239
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Speaker 3: By the way, guys, thank you, thank you very much

1240
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 3: for you know, dealing with my absences. There's a couple

1241
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 3: of just personal medical things going on. But everything is

1242
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 3: fine for right now, and we are anxiously awaiting our baby.

1243
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 3: The kid is already a pain in the ass and

1244
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 3: he's not even or he or she has not even

1245
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 3: been born yet, and so I'm sure that will manifest

1246
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 3: in their personality going forward. But just in case, this

1247
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 3: might be the very last time that you guys see

1248
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 3: me before labor and you know, I'll take a few

1249
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 3: weeks off and all of that.

1250
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: So just thank you very much for bearing with me.

1251
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you all, And back to Ryan and Emily.

1252
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 8: President Trump went to Michigan yesterday, had a little encounter

1253
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 8: with Gretchen Whitmer. But he was doing a rally on

1254
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 8: the occasion of his one hundredth day in office, and

1255
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 8: the crowd was sort of a.

1256
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Speaker 6: Typical Trump rally crowd.

1257
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 8: But given what's happened over the course of the first

1258
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Speaker 8: one hundred days, there was one particularly interesting moment.

1259
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 6: We have a couple that we're going to run. But

1260
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 6: let's play this first clip.

1261
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Speaker 8: After Donald Trump showed video of the allegendbus thirteen members

1262
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 8: heading to Al Salvador ending up at Seacott.

1263
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 6: This is what happened, and the worst.

1264
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 11: Of the worst are being sent to a no nonsense

1265
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 11: prison in El Salvador.

1266
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Speaker 13: Why don't you watch watch this, watch this, take a look.

1267
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Speaker 6: So there were USA USA chants.

1268
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 8: Now Donald Trump also floated well, he first said that

1269
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 8: he was going to serve two terms. Here's what's happened,

1270
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 8: Here's what happened after that. Let's roll this club.

1271
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 11: It was so important to win because they used to

1272
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 11: say the fake is to be a great president, you

1273
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 11: have to serve two terms.

1274
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Speaker 13: So now we're going to serve two terms.

1275
01:00:54,160 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 11: Now they've taken that work of crush, right, right Oz?

1276
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 13: Trust that one off?

1277
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: Trust that one off.

1278
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 5: No, they say it all the time.

1279
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 11: When I was out, they say, well, then they.

1280
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Speaker 6: Go, is it a fever dream?

1281
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 8: When he says, right, doctor Oz, right, doctor Oz, what's happening?

1282
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 8: But the crowd was chanting three if you couldn't hear that,

1283
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 8: Then Trump said, thank you, we actually already served three.

1284
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 7: Then one more clip, This one is he was elected

1285
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty.

1286
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:25,919
Speaker 4: Is that what he means?

1287
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 6: I think that's what he means. It's genuinely hard to say.

1288
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 5: This is.

1289
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 8: His part of his interview. So the rally is happening.

1290
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 8: He's also sitting gun.

1291
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 6: For an interview with Terry Moran on ABC again to

1292
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 6: mark the one hundredth day of the administration. Let's roll

1293
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 6: this clip D three.

1294
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 13: But the court has warned you to facilitate that you're

1295
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 13: not the one making this decision. We have lawyers.

1296
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 11: I don't want to do this, but the buck stops

1297
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 11: eyes on now, No, no, no, I follow the law.

1298
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 13: You want me to follow the law.

1299
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 11: If I were the president that just wanted to do anything,

1300
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 11: I'd probably keep them right where it says what the

1301
01:01:59,520 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 11: law is.

1302
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Speaker 22: Listen.

1303
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 11: I was elected to take care of a problem that

1304
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 11: was it was an unforced era that was made by

1305
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 11: a very incompetent man, A man that turned out to

1306
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 11: be incompetent that you always said was wonderful, great genius.

1307
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 13: Right, and now you find out all of.

1308
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 11: The media now they're saying, what a mistake they made.

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Speaker 11: A man who was grossly incompetent allowed us to have

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Speaker 11: open borders where millions of people float in. I campaigned

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Speaker 11: on that issue. I wouldn't say it was my number

1312
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Speaker 11: one issue, but it was pretty clear I campaigned on

1313
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 11: that issue. I've done an amazing job. I have closed borders.

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Speaker 11: He said you couldn't do it, and you wouldn't be

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Speaker 11: able to do it, it would never happen.

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Speaker 13: Well, it happened, and it happened very quickly.

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Speaker 11: Wait a minute, when we have criminals, murderers, criminals in

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Speaker 11: this country, we have to get him out, and we're

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Speaker 11: doing it, and you'll pick out one man. But even

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Speaker 11: the man that you picked out, he's got a key,

1321
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 11: said he wasn't a member of a gang.

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Speaker 13: And then they looked and on his knuckles.

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Speaker 11: He had MS thres there it Wait a minute, he

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Speaker 11: had MS thirteen.

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Speaker 13: We had some tattoos that are interpreted that way. But

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Speaker 13: let's move on. Wait a minute, I will tear it Terry, Terry,

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Speaker 13: he did not have the letter MS one. It says

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Speaker 13: MS one three. That was photoshop. So let me do

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01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 13: his photoshop. Terry, you can't have that.

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Speaker 11: Hey, they're giving you the big break of a lifetime.

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01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 11: You know you're doing the interview. I picked you because frankly,

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Speaker 11: I never heard of you.

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Speaker 13: But that's okay. I picked to you, Terry. But you're

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01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 13: not being very nice. He had MS thirteen texts will

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Speaker 13: agree to disagree. I want to rive on to something else, Terry.

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Speaker 13: Do you want me to show you the picture? I

1337
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 13: saw the picture. Well the photoshop. Here we go. Here

1338
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 13: we got photoshop, but go look at his hand he had.

1339
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 13: He did have tattoos that can be interpreted that way.

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01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 13: I'm not an expert on them. I want to turn

1341
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 13: to Ukraine, I.

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Speaker 11: Want to get to No, he had MS as clear

1343
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 11: as you can be, not interpreted. This is why people

1344
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 11: no longer believe well the news because when photogl.

1345
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 13: In El Salvador, they aren't there. But let's just go

1346
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 13: they aren't there when he's in there now right, No,

1347
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 13: but they're in your picture.

1348
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 11: Terry Ukraine sir, he's got MS thirteen on his knuckles.

1349
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Speaker 13: All, okay, we'll take such a disservice. Will take a look.

1350
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 13: What did you just say it? Yes, he does so.

1351
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,959
Speaker 8: Donald Trump clearly believes that he deported someone with MS

1352
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 8: thirteen tattooed on his knuckles, the letters MS and then

1353
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 8: the numbers one three tattooed on his knuckles. That would

1354
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 8: be Kilmore Abrego Garcia, who does have tattoos that experts,

1355
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 8: some have said, resemble what gang members might have. But

1356
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 8: to be very clear, Trump thinks it's said MS one

1357
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 8: three on his knuckles. What actually happened is that the

1358
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 8: White House put MS. They photoshop. They actually did, to

1359
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 8: Terry Marrin's point, photoshop MS thirteen onto by picture of

1360
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 8: kill More Abrego Garcia's knuckles to sort of demonstrate they

1361
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 8: enhanced the picture of his knuckles so that the tattoos

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01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 8: were more clearly visible, and then MS thirteen on it.

1363
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 8: And there was debate when the White House released that

1364
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 8: photo as to whether they wanted people to believe it

1365
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 8: was photoshopped or wanted people to believe.

1366
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 6: That MS thirteen actually had been tattooed on his knuckles.

1367
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 7: Donald Trump seems to have been maybe he was the

1368
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 7: tartop of this hoax, seriously.

1369
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 8: Because there, I mean, there was this this actually somewhat

1370
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 8: interesting debate when that happened last week about whether or

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01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 8: not people would actually believe the photoshop or that it

1372
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 8: was very clearly indicating that they were just enhancing the picture.

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01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 8: I was actually in the camp that was like, oh,

1374
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 8: this is so obviously photoshopped that what they're trying to

1375
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 8: do is just make it a graphic that indicates the

1376
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 8: tattoos or MS thirteen, not that this is like because

1377
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 8: they were like extenciled letters, like you know, just it

1378
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 8: didn't look real.

1379
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 6: But I guess if you're a sorry boomers, but I

1380
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 6: guess if you're a social.

1381
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 4: Media boom without your focals.

1382
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 8: He was, he was duped by the photoshop and genuinely

1383
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 8: believes that Kilmer abrego Garcia, all of this uproar. I mean,

1384
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 8: that changes the story significantly that Donald Trump believes the

1385
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 8: man has MS thirteen tattooed on him, because that's a

1386
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 8: confirmation clear as day that he is MS thirteen. Meaning

1387
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 8: the Democrats that are fighting to keep him, the media

1388
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 8: that is fighting to keep him is coming from a very.

1389
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 7: Different place right from Trump's addult perspective. He literally thinks

1390
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 7: that Abrego Garcia has has MS thirteen tattooed on his fingers.

1391
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 7: And then he's like, god, what is wrong with these

1392
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 7: democrats in the media right that are like fighting over

1393
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 7: this guy.

1394
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 8: Publicans by the way, who were unhappy with the direction.

1395
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 4: Twenty fifth Amendment time, Like.

1396
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:44,439
Speaker 7: Whoever is the marshal of the Supreme Court like from

1397
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 7: this first term, who never showed up to arrest Trump?

1398
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 4: Like twenty fifth Amendment?

1399
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 8: Man?

1400
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 4: Like this is this man is utterly delusional?

1401
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 6: Am I wrong? That that picture was very obvious?

1402
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 7: It was obvious because I think if you can see it,

1403
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 7: I think I think maybe his eyes aren't good enough.

1404
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 4: And Steven Miller just lied to him.

1405
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 7: I mean, and somebody's lying to him, like and we'll

1406
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 7: talk about this that at the end of this clip

1407
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 7: with his answer on tourism, he's he's watching television and

1408
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 7: reading some things, so he has some like access to

1409
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 7: outside information. But clearly his circle of advisors are either

1410
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 7: afraid of him and or are just outright lying to

1411
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 7: him to cynically manipulate him. Stephen Miller is the one

1412
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 7: with the most access to him as deputy chief of staff,

1413
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 7: who would have a vested interest in lying about whether

1414
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 7: or not he has MS thirteen tattooed.

1415
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 4: On his hand. And also it doesn't. The whole thing

1416
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 4: falls apart.

1417
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 7: He has a marijuana leaf and then a smile, and

1418
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 7: then a smile like okay, well even in Spanish, you

1419
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 7: know you can that's there's an MS there. Then there's

1420
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 7: a cross, which is like okay, it's not a one,

1421
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 7: that's a cross. And then and then there's a skull,

1422
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 7: and that's where it's like, where do you have three

1423
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 7: out of a skull? And people are like, well, you

1424
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 7: can draw a three somewhere onto the skull.

1425
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 5: All right.

1426
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 7: Now you're just in fantasy land, like it's it's like,

1427
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 7: you know, smok smoking weed makes me happy, love the

1428
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 7: Lord till I die, Like that's a thing that's out

1429
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 7: there like that actually makes a little bit of sense.

1430
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, it makes a little bit of sense, but I'm

1431
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 6: not MS thirteen. Also tattoos either.

1432
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 4: Also MS thirteen.

1433
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 7: If you've seen go google image MS thirteen tattoos, they

1434
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 7: say MS thirteen on their face or on their back and.

1435
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, they're usually in like old timy old script,

1436
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 8: but it's clear.

1437
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 4: It's clear.

1438
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 7: But you'd be thrown out of the gang, Like, hey,

1439
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 7: you're supposed to tattoo MS thirteen on yourself, Kilmart and

1440
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:39,560
Speaker 7: he's like, oh, yeah, I did this.

1441
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 4: It's really fancy. See how the M s And.

1442
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 7: Then this is sort of like a one and this

1443
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 7: is a skully be like you're you're you're afraid to

1444
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,799
Speaker 7: announce your support, your your your membership in MS thirteen,

1445
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 7: So you're out like like that, that's not how it

1446
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 7: works anyway, that it matters, because none of this matters.

1447
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 4: This was photoshop. He's wrong.

1448
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,799
Speaker 8: It was very obvious. It was like a USARAH font

1449
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 8: with it didn't look like it was natural on the skin,

1450
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 8: like a tattoo.

1451
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 4: It was he's wrong put.

1452
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 8: Onto the image in a way that is just mind

1453
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 8: blowing that you would interpret that as someone's actual MS

1454
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 8: thirteen tattoo. I'm not ready to rule out what's on

1455
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 8: Timar Arbrego Garcia's knuckles as being potentially gang related, but

1456
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 8: that's at this point, beside the point because Donald Trump

1457
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 8: thinks that an obvious photoshop is really, he clearly thinks

1458
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 8: that it's really.

1459
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 6: Did you get the sense that he was lying to

1460
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 6: Terry Moran's face? I didn't. I think.

1461
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 7: He seemed to, and he seemed to be like really

1462
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 7: frustrated at Terry Moran, for like, his ability to take

1463
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 7: in information seems gone.

1464
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 4: And at the end he says, why won't you just

1465
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 4: say to me?

1466
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 22: Yes?

1467
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 7: He has MS thirteen on his knuckles, which is clearly

1468
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 7: that's what he wants his sick of fans around him

1469
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 7: to say, just tell me yes.

1470
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 6: Let's skip ahead to D five.

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01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 8: This is going to be the thought about tourism because

1472
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,600
Speaker 8: I think that is actually an interesting theme from some

1473
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 8: of the clips that we played, so the MS thirteen

1474
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 8: clip but also the two versus three terms clip.

1475
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:09,799
Speaker 6: Let's roll. Tourism is way up D five.

1476
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 13: And Canadians, many of them, are really angry furious.

1477
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 18: About your talk about We're going to take over Canada

1478
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 18: is going to become the fifty first state, and it

1479
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 18: kind of is of a piece.

1480
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 13: A lot of travel is down into the United States

1481
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 13: from around the world. We're doing it's like there's been

1482
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 13: reputational team. He's doing great well.

1483
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 11: Prices it down, not the touristling's down. Energy's down. Tourism

1484
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 11: is going to be way up. Wait do you see

1485
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 11: the numbers. The tourism is way up now now, Canada

1486
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 11: tourism is doing very well.

1487
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 13: We're doing very well. We're doing very well.

1488
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:46,640
Speaker 11: Wait do you see the real numbers come out in

1489
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 11: about in six months from now?

1490
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 13: Where do you see the numbers? But do you think

1491
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 13: we're gonna ask you?

1492
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 8: So he's saying two things there, on the one hand

1493
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 8: that numbers are fine now and the other that the

1494
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 8: numbers will go up.

1495
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 4: Wait wait, wait you see the numbers.

1496
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 6: Well, this is.

1497
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 8: According to c NBC, foreign visitors to the US by

1498
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 8: air fell nearly ten percent in March from the same

1499
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 8: month a year earlier, and nearly thirteen percent from before

1500
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 8: the pandemic to four point five four million people. That's

1501
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 8: what the that's where this information that we have as

1502
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 8: right now? Yeah, that's mark wait.

1503
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 4: To see April. Yeah, so well, according to Trump, wait

1504
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 4: to see April like, who's lying to him? Like I don't.

1505
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 7: I don't like Trump's judgment in general, but I would

1506
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 7: like his judgment to be acted upon reality, Like I

1507
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 7: want him to have accurate information and then and then

1508
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 7: I disagree with or agree with what he's doing. I'd

1509
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 7: rather his advisors tell them, hey, man, tourism's way down.

1510
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 7: Do we care or is this all part of the plan,

1511
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 7: rather than this, Hey boss, everything's great.

1512
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,440
Speaker 4: Tourism is up. Cheese on the phone.

1513
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 7: That MS thirteen is tattooed on his fingers, like you're

1514
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 7: killing it, boss, So everybody loves you.

1515
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,799
Speaker 6: CNBC also says, including land work crossings, okay.

1516
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, and we're going to get the Fox News polster fired.

1517
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 7: That's what Steve Miller said yesterday.

1518
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, he said that.

1519
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 8: I actually think that there are probably some legitimate questions

1520
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 8: about the accuracy of the.

1521
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 7: Fox News pul They're in line with everybody else's plot

1522
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 7: right now.

1523
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 6: They are.

1524
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, these if you look at all the polling aggregations, yes, so,

1525
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 8: including land border crossing. CNBC says inbound visitors to the

1526
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 8: US fell fourteen percent in March from last year. According

1527
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 8: to the US Travel Association, So an industry that's down

1528
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 8: trade group.

1529
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's very obviously down.

1530
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 8: Now this clip, I want to say, Ryan, I think

1531
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 8: that sounded to me possibly just like regular Trump talking

1532
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 8: his way into success, like I hope, fluctuating between. They're

1533
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 8: fine now, but they're going to be fine, Like it

1534
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 8: just was. I felt like that was just Trump kind

1535
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 8: of bullshitting. The MS thirteen one is the one that

1536
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 8: really concerns me. Also, I don't know what he was

1537
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 8: talking about when he said two terms and then he

1538
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 8: said three terms. Yes, it's possibly twenty twenty, but he

1539
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,759
Speaker 8: said we already served three terms.

1540
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 6: So it's all.

1541
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 7: It's very it's a time traveler. I've never been on

1542
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 7: the you have this very like traditional understanding of time. Yes,

1543
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 7: whereas he moves about it freely, he's.

1544
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 8: Sort of a higher plane. But no, I've never been

1545
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 8: on the bandwagon ever. Like up until this point of

1546
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 8: people who thought that Trump had some type of like

1547
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 8: medical mental aging condition, you know, that was something the

1548
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 8: Biden team tried to push. There's obviously something going on

1549
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 8: up there, whether or not it's aging. I've never been

1550
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,839
Speaker 8: on that bandwagon, to be honest. But the MS thirteen

1551
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 8: one now that one has me really.

1552
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 4: Idiocy and capacity.

1553
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, I could just be idiocylied to him.

1554
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 6: To your point, I guess it is possible that somebody

1555
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 6: relied to him.

1556
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 8: Now, to put that in stark relief, take a look

1557
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 8: at what Donald Trump said about negotiations with Vladimir Putin,

1558
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 8: just for a reminder that the man who believes his

1559
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:12,480
Speaker 8: thirteen was tattooed on Kimora Bergo's Gerty's hands is negotiating

1560
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 8: the end of a potential.

1561
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 6: Or of a war involving a nuclear power. So go

1562
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 6: ahead and roll D four.

1563
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 11: He's willing to stop the fighting, don't you begin he

1564
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 11: wants You think Vladimir Putin wants peace?

1565
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 13: I think he does. Yes, I think there is I

1566
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 13: think people's a reigning missiles. I think he really his

1567
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 13: dream was to take over the whole country. I think

1568
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 13: because of me, he's not going to do that. Do

1569
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 13: you trust him? I think? Do you trust him? I

1570
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 13: don't trust you. I don't trust I don't trust a

1571
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 13: lot of people. I don't trust you. Look at you.

1572
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 11: You come in all shooting for bear, You're so happy

1573
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 11: to do the interview I am, and then you start

1574
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 11: hitting me with fake questions he saw telling me that

1575
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:55,679
Speaker 11: a guy whose hand is covered with the tattoo doesn't

1576
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 11: have the tattoo.

1577
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,440
Speaker 13: You know, I mean you're being dishonest.

1578
01:14:58,680 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 8: No, I'm not.

1579
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 13: Lem is not so I trust. I don't trust a

1580
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 13: lot of people, but I do think this.

1581
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 11: I think that he let's say, he respects me, and

1582
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 11: I believe because of me, he's not going to take

1583
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 11: over the whole, but his decision, his choice would be

1584
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 11: to take over all of Ukraine.

1585
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:22,719
Speaker 8: Okay, again, there's a charitable reading of this where he's

1586
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 8: said this before. He's not going to talk and Wikoff

1587
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 8: has said this, he's not going to talk trash about

1588
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 8: Putin in a way that would hamper his ability just

1589
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 8: to kind of virtue signal to American neo cons in

1590
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 8: a way that would hamper the actual peace process.

1591
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 6: So on that part, I get not taking Terry Moran's bait.

1592
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:47,560
Speaker 8: On the other hand, Ryan, he's still going back to

1593
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 8: the MS thirteen tattoo.

1594
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,560
Speaker 7: So he's like, yeah, I can't trust you because you

1595
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 7: think that wasn't photoshop Yeah, or you think that was photoshopped.

1596
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 6: Wow, things are fine. We're a hundred days in. Everything

1597
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 6: is preceding apace everyone's happy. Tourism is up.

1598
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 4: It feels like a lifetime good lord.

1599
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, anything else on the Terry Moran Now, just twenty

1600
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 8: fifth Amendment and look I was I was for it

1601
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 8: with Biden, So you can't get me on.

1602
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 4: Can't get me on that hypocrisy. So important now, President Vance,

1603
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 4: get ready, lace up Lisa.

1604
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 8: All right, let's move on to the Housies, Ryan, because

1605
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 8: another quite an interesting l for the good old US

1606
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 8: of A here.

1607
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 4: This week. And we can put this first element up

1608
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 4: on the screen.

1609
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 7: An Fa eighteen fighter jet fell off the side of

1610
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,440
Speaker 7: a US aircraft carrier.

1611
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 4: And sunk to the bottom of the Red Sea.

1612
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 7: What we know from reporting out of the US from

1613
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 7: the Navy is that or they claim this is what

1614
01:16:59,479 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 7: they claim.

1615
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 4: We'll talk about this.

1616
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:05,679
Speaker 7: They claim that the aircraft carrier was making a sharp

1617
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 7: movement to avoid hoothy fire. Now we know from hooty

1618
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 7: officials that they did indeed say that they launched a

1619
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 7: drone and missile attack on the Truman carrier group. And

1620
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 7: I spoke to somebody who served on an aircraft carrier

1621
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 7: and he said, yeah, those things I think thirty thirty

1622
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 7: knots like they get they get moving at a serious

1623
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 7: clip and when they start to I don't know if

1624
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 7: you can totally come about in an aircraft carrier, but

1625
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 7: when those when they start to turn, they do bank

1626
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 7: and you have to have everything kind of secured. According

1627
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 7: to the Navy, they were hauling this thing out of

1628
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 7: the hangar a hangar at the time when it started

1629
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 7: to bank, because I guess they weren't planning on banking. Now,

1630
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 7: these are super fast missiles, so it's kind of I'm

1631
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 7: a little skeptical that even the fast aircraft carrier can

1632
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 7: move fast enough to get it out of the way

1633
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 7: of a missile.

1634
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 4: Who knows, what do I know?

1635
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 7: All we know is that this seventy dollar fighter jet

1636
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 7: is now at the bottom of the Red Sea. So

1637
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 7: we don't have health care, yeah, but we do have

1638
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 7: now we raises sunken fighter jet. It raises a lot

1639
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 7: of questions. Do we have fighter jet insurance? And were

1640
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 7: we current on it?

1641
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,679
Speaker 6: Yes, that is one of the questions that comes to mind.

1642
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 4: Was it paid off.

1643
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 6: From Progressive?

1644
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 4: What if we had just finished paying this thing off

1645
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 4: when it rolled off.

1646
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 8: The side the all stick guys should start doing commercials.

1647
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 4: And you know how you know, that's how it goes.

1648
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:48,560
Speaker 7: When you have a seventy million dollar fighter jet, the

1649
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 7: second you make your last payment, it rolls off the

1650
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 7: side of the aircraft carrier.

1651
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 6: Many such cases.

1652
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 4: Just for fun, let's put up E two here. This

1653
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 4: is the War Powers resolution.

1654
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 7: It is not actually okay, constitutionally for this carrier group

1655
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 7: to even be in these waters. According to the Constitution,

1656
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 7: the Congress is vested with the power to declare war.

1657
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 7: According to the War Powers Act, you cannot enter into hostilities.

1658
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 4: You can't do this. So beyond that, you can't do this,

1659
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 4: I'm just saying you can't do this. So and what

1660
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 4: they are entered into hostilities right now?

1661
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 7: They are in a place where they know they're going

1662
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 7: to get shot at, and if they don't want to

1663
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 7: get shot at, they're able to leave that area like

1664
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 7: there's no reason they have to be there or Congress

1665
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 7: has not authorized it. Now, maybe that implicates the insurance policy.

1666
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 7: Insurance policy. You probably have to be current on your

1667
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 7: alignment with your constitutional war powers, and so the insurance policies,

1668
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 7: they're not paid. They're not paying for this FAA team.

1669
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 7: When All State gets the bill, do.

1670
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 8: You say that this is they'll claim this under the

1671
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 8: umbrella of an AOMF, like a twenty plus year old AOMF.

1672
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 4: I don't even know if they bother anymore.

1673
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And our allies aren't there. So the

1674
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 7: au m F authorizes us to fight al Qaeda wherever

1675
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 7: we find them. The problem in Yemen is that our

1676
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 7: allies are al Qaeda. Al Qaeda are fighting the houthies.

1677
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 7: So that's not that's not going to fly either.

1678
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 6: Well you'd think, did you just say that's not going

1679
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 6: to fly? Pretty good?

1680
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 7: I did not even I did not even do that

1681
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 7: one on purpose, but wow, it really worked. Less amusing

1682
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 7: but even more disturbing perhaps development out of Yemen.

1683
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 4: We can put this next element up on the screen.

1684
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,560
Speaker 7: So there are as you know, as everybody knows, a

1685
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 7: bunch of amateur ocent people out there who go around

1686
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 7: around monking with Google Earth, posting things that they find

1687
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 7: and declaring them to be interesting to the world. If

1688
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 7: that's your hobby, fine, enjoy yourself, you know, social media,

1689
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 7: go ahead. There are some people who have been going around,

1690
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 7: uh looking at Google Earth images of Yemen and claiming

1691
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 7: to have been able to spot hothy missile launch sites

1692
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:33,919
Speaker 7: or hoothy bases.

1693
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 4: Okay again, I guess.

1694
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 7: Like, if that's how you want to spend your time,

1695
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 7: go ahead and do that. So a couple of accounts

1696
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 7: posted the the exact coordinates of what they said was

1697
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 7: a missile you know, some type of base slash missile

1698
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 7: launch situation in.

1699
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 4: A quarry in Yemen. We can put this next element

1700
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:59,839
Speaker 4: up on the screen, and the US struck that precise

1701
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:02,799
Speaker 4: coordinate killed.

1702
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 7: The reports are and uh Shuey al malwassee who's our reporter?

1703
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 7: And Sanas confirmed for us that this that this area

1704
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 7: just outside of Sana was was struck. A significant number

1705
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:22,600
Speaker 7: of civilians were killed. The reporting is eight uh. And

1706
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 7: so we know that this person posted this image, post

1707
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 7: posted these coordinates and then the US struck these coordinates

1708
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 7: and that there was nothing there.

1709
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 4: Like we all know this now.

1710
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 6: What was the time lapse between the couple of weeks?

1711
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 4: And so the question then is is this the strangest

1712
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 4: coincidence ever?

1713
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:52,919
Speaker 7: Or is sentcom pulling targets from random Twitter users? Weird're

1714
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 7: striking them?

1715
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 8: Weirder possibility what if somebody at centcom has a burner

1716
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 8: that they're floating coordinates out onto.

1717
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 7: I think this is a person that's in Holmn. They

1718
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 7: know who this person is. It's like a woman who's

1719
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 7: just interested in this stuff.

1720
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 12: Like.

1721
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 7: Also, they're wrong, like they blew it like this they

1722
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 7: killed civilians like they didn't they didn't get this right.

1723
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 7: So this person posted screenshots of donations that she made

1724
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 7: to Doctors Without Borders and a Yemeny charitable group as sorry.

1725
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 7: So to start, I have made two donations, one to

1726
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 7: MSF Meslan Frontier and one the Yemen Data Project, totaling

1727
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 7: five hundred euros, like as an apology basically for accidentally

1728
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 7: getting some people killed. Now, I'm not even that angry

1729
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 7: at this person because it's sentcom that should not be

1730
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 7: grabbing information for this person.

1731
01:23:58,200 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 6: This is a really weird account. I'm going through it

1732
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 6: right now. Yeah, lucky it han.

1733
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 4: It's very strange.

1734
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 6: It's very very weird.

1735
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 5: It's like.

1736
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 6: It's almost like a belling cat type.

1737
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 4: But it's just a random person ish but who knows.

1738
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 7: The response that mirrors the way I feel about it

1739
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 7: was from somebody who said, we don't want your donations,

1740
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 7: we don't need them. Just stop publishing false aerial photos.

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Speaker 7: You're publishing civilian areas as military zones and causing the

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01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 7: killing of our people. Even if we assume that they

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01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 7: are military zones, Why are you hostile to us? What

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01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 7: is your interest in this? And so that's actually the

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01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 7: question I have too, It's like, why are you doing this?

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01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:40,640
Speaker 7: So I reached out to this account. They did not

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01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 7: hear back. I did not hear back. I also reached

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01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 7: out to Sentcom to ask if it's the case, and

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01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 7: there was another account as well that had posted the

1750
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 7: same quarry. So I reached out to ask, is it

1751
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 7: the case that you're pulling these from Twitter?

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01:24:58,439 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 6: Yeah?

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01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 4: It it certainly is the case. We know that at

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01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:05,639
Speaker 4: least for some of their and we know this from.

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01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 7: Sources around the Pentagon that they are pulling. We do

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01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 7: know for sure they're pulling some of their damage assessment

1757
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 7: from Twitter, because that's that has circulated in the Pentagon.

1758
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 7: Like after a strike, there'll be some social media account

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01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 7: like posts from that are not US you know, government

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01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 7: or US military accounts, just random people. Some of these

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01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 7: some of these are just strident, like anti houthy partisans

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01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 7: and they'll say this is what happened in the strike

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01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 7: and that and saidcom will.

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Speaker 4: Use that in there now.

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01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 7: So we do know that they are willing to use

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01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 7: what they euphemistically call open source intel and whatever.

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01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:53,879
Speaker 8: I mean, presumably whatever led this open source intel collector

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01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 8: who interestingly has ceasefire now.

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01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 7: And I saw that, Yeah, fire aware in the bio,

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01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 7: the bio of where do they want.

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01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 4: To seize fire?

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01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's very odd ym So presumably obviously whatever led

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01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 6: this account to that spot could potentially be leading sentcom

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01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,560
Speaker 6: to that spot. I mean, it wouldn't necessarily have to

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01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 6: be a coincidence.

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01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 4: Except it was the total blunder, Like it was right,

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01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 4: it was just a misreading.

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01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 6: It's very very weird. It's an incredibly deeply strange story.

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01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 6: I'm glad that you asked the government about it, because.

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Speaker 8: If they're pulling this stuff and it's wrong from Twitter accounts,

1781
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 8: I mean, I guess it's one thing.

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01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 6: If it's right, it's still very odd.

1783
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 8: If it's right, if they're actually getting it from Twitter

1784
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 8: and not just sort of following the same breadcrumbs, but

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01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 8: a deeply deeply strange situation, and you can understand how

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01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 8: it's going to land with people in Yemen. I mean,

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01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 8: it's it looks to people in Yemen like complete casual destruction.

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01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 7: Yes, and it's also completely ineffectual. I mean, it's it's

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01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:06,560
Speaker 7: effective at killing innocent people, but when it comes to

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01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 7: actually degrading the capacity of the Houthis to fire at ships,

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01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 7: it's simply simply not effective.

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01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 4: We just they just.

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01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:20,600
Speaker 7: Tilted an aircraft carrier and knocked a what do they

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01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 7: call it a hornet whatever, to the bottom of the

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01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 7: bottom of the Red Seas seventy million dollar seventy million

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01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 7: dollar plane. Meanwhile, the houthis in an interview with shoe Abe,

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01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 7: a top official there, was effectively responding to Trump and

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01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 7: Hegseeth who said that if the Hoothies stopped shooting at

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01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 7: American ships, we will stop shooting at them. This Hoothy

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Speaker 7: political leader on the record told drop Site News, we

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01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 7: will stop you stop attacking us, and then we will

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01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:54,839
Speaker 7: stop attacking you. Done agreement. Our problem is with Israel,

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01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:58,760
Speaker 7: and they're not even asking Israel to enter into a

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01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 7: ceasefire at this point. They launched this renewed siege of

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01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,600
Speaker 7: shipping because Israel was blocking.

1806
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 4: AID into Gaza.

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01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 7: So if Israel would just allow AID back in now

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01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,560
Speaker 7: at this point, they want Israel to return to the

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01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 7: ceasefire terms that they had agreed to.

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01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 4: But that's it. Their beef is with Israel, not with us,

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01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 4: and so they have accepted our offer.

1812
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 7: Yet here we are bombing innocent people, trying to degrade

1813
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 7: their capacity, not doing it. And right now, it's just

1814
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 7: kind of funny that this ship, I mean's sort of

1815
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 7: funny that the ship fell off the aircraft carrier. Trump

1816
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 7: could get somebody killed. Also, that could have been a

1817
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 7: lot worse.

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01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 8: I just found at Vlecki Han sited in West Points

1819
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 8: a report from West Points Combating Terrorism Center.

1820
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 6: So interesting, a reliable the quote ever resourceful analyst at

1821
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 6: Flecki Han.

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01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 4: This is a west Point paper.

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01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, well this is pretty confirmation that this

1824
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 7: account is considered credible. What was it called, it's ever reliable,

1825
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 7: ever reliable, ever reliable, well not ever resourceful, ever resourceful. Yes, okay,

1826
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 7: they're resourceful. They're using Google Earth.

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01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 8: This was in the case of it says the ever

1828
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 8: resourceful analyst at Lucky Han's use of purchased commercial satellite imagery.

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01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 8: And this is from last year, so it's not like

1830
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 8: an old paper or anything. And it's cited actually in

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01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 8: the footnotes of this report from West Point.

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01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 7: So yeah, so okay, they so they are they do

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01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 7: actually think this person is credible that that ups the

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01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 7: likelihood that they relied on this person's Google Earth imagery

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01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 7: to launch this erroneous and deadly air strike close to

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01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 7: one hundred percent.

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01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 8: So what this means is that the military is paying

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01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 8: attention to this particular open source account, right, so it

1839
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 8: would make it that's much stronger.

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01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:55,480
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, exactly.

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01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 7: Separately and also relatedly, and we won't We were going

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01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:05,679
Speaker 7: to put up some of this video, but we decided

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01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 7: we decided not to because even even blurring it it's

1844
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 7: just too it's just too graphic. But the hooth He's

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01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:18,639
Speaker 7: announced that one of the air strikes, and we don't

1846
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 7: know where they got the coordinates for this one that

1847
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 7: the US had said hit a Hoothy base actually hit

1848
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 7: an African African migrant detention center, and so far the

1849
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 7: death toll is at least sixty eight. Like, we struck

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01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 7: a detention center filled with people, and the images that

1851
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 7: have come out of it of bodies mingled with the

1852
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 7: rubble are just are gruesome and horrifying. So you can

1853
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 7: go find them if you want to. We were going

1854
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 7: to play it just so that you didn't have to

1855
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 7: take our word for it, but I think you probably

1856
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 7: trust us enough at this point that we can tell

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01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 7: you that it happened.

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01:30:58,200 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 4: We did that.

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01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 6: I mean, the video is people, go pull it up.

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01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 4: You can find it.

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01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can find it. Recommended viewing, unfortunately, in a

1862
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 6: very very tragic way. Recommended viewing.

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01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 7: So up next, protests and counter protests in Crown Heights

1864
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 7: in Brooklyn on Thursday night led to what became was

1865
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 7: becoming a national scandal, the way that a mob of

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01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 7: pro Israel protesters assaulted two different women. One of them

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01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 7: is going to do her first video interview and share

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01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 7: some of her own footage that she captured while this

1869
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 7: mob was pursuing her, so stick around for that. So

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01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 7: on Thursday night, It'samar ben Gevie appeared at a synagogue

1871
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 7: in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, where he was met by protesters

1872
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 7: as well as pro Israel counter protesters. As you may

1873
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 7: have heard, because it's become a national story by this point,

1874
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:05,839
Speaker 7: two women were chased and assaulted that evening. Eric Adams

1875
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 7: has since come out and said that he wants to

1876
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 7: press charges, but the women have not come forward publicly.

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01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:16,639
Speaker 7: One of those women was just simply a neighborhood resident

1878
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 7: and a bystander she's joining us today. She wants to

1879
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 7: continue to remain anonymous, and she's also provided us for

1880
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 7: the first time some video footage that she took from

1881
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 7: her perspective. You've probably seen a lot of the footage

1882
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 7: of the crowd kind of assaulting her and harassing her

1883
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 7: as she's separated from the rest of this protest. But

1884
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 7: you'll be able to see some of this shortly. But

1885
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:48,600
Speaker 7: let's bring in our Crown Heights resident. Welcome to Counterpoints.

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01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 7: Thank you so much for joining.

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01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:52,599
Speaker 5: Us, Thank you for having me, Thank you for interest

1888
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 5: in that story.

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01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 4: Yeah for sure. So first of all, can you tell us,

1890
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 4: like how you wound up Thursday evening.

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01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 7: At this protest? How did you How did you know

1892
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 7: that there was a protest going on?

1893
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:09,679
Speaker 5: Sure? Yeah, so you know, kind of later in the evening,

1894
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 5: around ten ten thirty and a helicopter had been hovering

1895
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 5: over my building for around thirty minutes. So I went

1896
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:23,520
Speaker 5: outside to see what was going on, and I encountered

1897
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 5: the aftermath of a protest when I arrived at Kingston

1898
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 5: Avenue in Eastern Parkway, right where the Chabat is.

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01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 4: And so, yeah, so what happened next?

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01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I was standing on the sidewalk. There were

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01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,640
Speaker 5: tons of people, hundreds of people in the street and

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01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 5: on the sidewalk pretty much only Orthodox Jewish people, mostly men,

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01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 5: and then there were some other neighbors like myself standing

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01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 5: on the sidewalk just watching, just watching the scene to see.

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01:33:58,160 --> 01:33:59,720
Speaker 8: What was going on. And I want to say, that's

1906
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:03,680
Speaker 8: an point because actually we had reported earlier that you

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01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 8: were a pro Palestine demonstrator, and that's not the case.

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01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:10,440
Speaker 8: To be clear, you were just sort of a bystander

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01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:13,800
Speaker 8: who was watching the chaos unfold in your neighborhood, right.

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01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 5: That's right, and so.

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Speaker 7: I understand that, Well, why did they mistake you for

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01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 7: somebody that needed to be assaulted?

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01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, So what happened, and it happened really quickly, was

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01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 5: that people near me began filming and I didn't want

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01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 5: to be on anyone's camera rule, so I pulled up

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01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 5: my scarf over my face. And I just want to

1917
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 5: be clear that it was not a cathea. It wouldn't

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01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:46,479
Speaker 5: matter if it was, but it wasn't, and that was

1919
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 5: really that just escalated things. Almost immediately a woman began

1920
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 5: screaming at me. She was already screaming at the police.

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01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 5: Then she started screaming at me for me that they

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01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 5: needed to get me out of there, and almost immediately

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01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 5: a group of like one hundred guys encircled me and

1924
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 5: just started shouting like just vile insults at me. They

1925
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 5: were saying, you're a waste of seeming or a failed abortion.

1926
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 5: They were threatening to rape me, they telling me to

1927
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:24,680
Speaker 5: go back to Palestine. And I also just want to

1928
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:26,800
Speaker 5: say that I was standing right next to a long

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01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 5: line of police, and as this began to happen, I

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01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 5: moved closer to the police because I thought that that

1931
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 5: would afford me some safety. And I was wrong, because

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01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 5: they did not do anything to intervene, and they really

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01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 5: just stared straight ahead with their eyes glazed over, as

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01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 5: if no crime, nothing was happening before their eyes.

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01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:51,240
Speaker 4: I want to play a little bit of the footage

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01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 4: here if we can roll that control room.

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01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 19: See the fact that you guys, lets the fact.

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01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 13: You guys want.

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01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 23: You're again, I live here to be here, that you

1940
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:11,360
Speaker 23: want someone to bend you over and like the dorn

1941
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:12,719
Speaker 23: of the Jews in Palestine.

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01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 8: Guys, and you can see in that video the police

1943
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:41,639
Speaker 8: standing there. You pay taxes to be protected by the police.

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01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 8: They're standing there in that video, And so how did

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01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 8: you end up getting out of the situation? Was anybody

1946
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 8: other than the police trying to help?

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01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 6: What happened? As you you tried to get away from

1948
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 6: uh that harassment?

1949
01:36:55,479 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, so asn't tried to leave the situation and to

1950
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:05,599
Speaker 5: get away. Another officer from somewhere else on the street

1951
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 5: came over and he saw this mob following me, and

1952
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 5: he tried to escort me home, and so we walked

1953
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:16,760
Speaker 5: in the direction of my home and this just this

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01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 5: mob of men followed and as they followed, they were

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01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 5: again saying go back to Palestine and in Hebrew, shouting

1956
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 5: death to Arabs. They were kicking me in the back repeatedly.

1957
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:36,640
Speaker 5: They were throwing things at my head. They hurled the

1958
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 5: trash can at me, They threw a traffic cone at me,

1959
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:43,639
Speaker 5: they were spitting It was just it was really scary,

1960
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 5: and at a certain point.

1961
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Speaker 13: I realized that.

1962
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 5: I couldn't leave this mob to my home, that that

1963
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 5: wouldn't be safe for me. And I turned on a

1964
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 5: different street in a way from the direction of my home,

1965
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 5: where they kind of cornered me and this one officer

1966
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 5: against a building, which is where they were started like

1967
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 5: throwing the trash can and the traffic cone at me,

1968
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 5: and I really just I didn't know what to do

1969
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:20,680
Speaker 5: or where to go because they couldn't go home, and

1970
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,760
Speaker 5: the police weren't there to stop. I mean, they were there,

1971
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 5: but they weren't stopping this, and it was really terrifying. Finally,

1972
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:34,680
Speaker 5: as we're like cornered against this building, a cop car

1973
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,560
Speaker 5: pulled up in the middle of the street, and I

1974
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:40,160
Speaker 5: just ran for my wife through this crowd of men

1975
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 5: who were shouting get her, and jumped in the back

1976
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 5: of the police car. Who and then those police drove

1977
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 5: me into my house.

1978
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Speaker 7: So what were you thinking as you're kind of going

1979
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 7: down the street and the mob is around you, Because

1980
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 7: I'm reminded of this time where I got jumped by

1981
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:58,680
Speaker 7: three guys in an alley behind my apartment, and I

1982
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:02,680
Speaker 7: remember thinking, remember, don't go down. Don't go down, because if,

1983
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 7: like I knew that, if I went down onto the ground,

1984
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:08,920
Speaker 7: then you know, then then you're dealing with feet rather

1985
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:11,639
Speaker 7: than just rather than just fists. And I was eventually

1986
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 7: able to get away without actually going down onto the

1987
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 7: onto the onto the floor of the alley. So I'm

1988
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 7: wondering if there were any thoughts going through your mind

1989
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Speaker 7: as you're like getting hit, kicked in the back and

1990
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 7: like things are getting thrown at you of what you

1991
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 7: needed to do to like get yourself out of this situation.

1992
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:34,360
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, I will say I have a very

1993
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:38,640
Speaker 5: strong fight instinct and I was fighting very hard to

1994
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:42,640
Speaker 5: repress it in those moments because I knew that they

1995
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:44,520
Speaker 5: wanted me to respond.

1996
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 6: In that way.

1997
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:49,599
Speaker 5: They wanted me to fight back so that they could

1998
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 5: escalate things and have an excuse to hurt me further.

1999
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:58,439
Speaker 5: And it was and it was just like I really

2000
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 5: had to have to rep us that the whole time

2001
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:06,519
Speaker 5: and instead put my mind to keeping myself safe. And

2002
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 5: there wasn't a lot of conscious thought outside of don't

2003
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 5: don't react physically and don't leave them to your home,

2004
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:17,080
Speaker 5: you know. Outside of that, it was just like a

2005
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:19,920
Speaker 5: lot it was a lot of terror. It was just

2006
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 5: this feeling of terror that was that was there for me.

2007
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:27,439
Speaker 6: And what response have you received since all of this happened.

2008
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 8: I know Eric Adams has sort of put out an

2009
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:32,680
Speaker 8: attempt to get in contact.

2010
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:36,800
Speaker 6: Have the police followed up? What's what have you heard

2011
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 6: in the last several days.

2012
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:41,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I'm in such a tricky position here

2013
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 5: because I want to call out all of the all

2014
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 5: of the police in action and lies that they've been telling,

2015
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 5: and at the same time, I really want them to

2016
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 5: take action on my behalf and the people of New

2017
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 5: York's behalf and think those two, those two desires of

2018
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 5: mine are in conflict with each other. And so but

2019
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:13,240
Speaker 5: I'm going to say anyway, like the police didn't do anything.

2020
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 5: Nobody tried to get in contact with me. They were

2021
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:19,679
Speaker 5: saying that they reached out to me, and I filed

2022
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:22,640
Speaker 5: the report and that was a lie. I eventually did

2023
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:25,120
Speaker 5: get in touch with a detective a couple of days ago,

2024
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:32,439
Speaker 5: and I was able to file a report. And yeah,

2025
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 5: and I think that the police have just been spreading

2026
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 5: a lot of misinformation about what happened. And that's really

2027
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 5: frustrating for me.

2028
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:44,360
Speaker 7: And so you did speak to a detective, would you

2029
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 7: testify if they were able to find you, know, able

2030
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:49,920
Speaker 7: to identify these these men who did this?

2031
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 5: I would Yeah. Yeah, it was.

2032
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:57,240
Speaker 7: It was interesting to see Eric Adams finally come out,

2033
01:41:57,320 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 7: because there's a it took a way. It took a

2034
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 7: significant amount of time for Adams to say anything publicly,

2035
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:08,080
Speaker 7: and it seems like there's this attitude that if somebody

2036
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:11,240
Speaker 7: is a kind of pro Palestine demonstrator, the kind of

2037
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 7: rules don't apply.

2038
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 4: They can just get beaten up.

2039
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:18,320
Speaker 7: And I wonder if them finally realizing that you actually

2040
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:21,880
Speaker 7: weren't you were just a person who lives in the neighborhood,

2041
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:24,320
Speaker 7: if that played some role. Did you get any indication

2042
01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:28,000
Speaker 7: from the detective of how important kind of that his

2043
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:32,920
Speaker 7: bosses see this case and what it was that moved

2044
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 7: them kind of to actually do something.

2045
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:39,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I think I talked to the detective on

2046
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 5: Monday afternoon and they seem to really be scrambling. He

2047
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 5: had told me that they had only just gotten the

2048
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:48,640
Speaker 5: directive that they were going to be investigating this like

2049
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:53,200
Speaker 5: a couple hours prior. So this all happened on Thursday night,

2050
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:58,439
Speaker 5: where the police again watched it happen, and they didn't

2051
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 5: take any action until this video went viral over the

2052
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:06,400
Speaker 5: weekend and the pressure and then there was pressure on

2053
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 5: the mayor and the NYPD.

2054
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Speaker 7: And not that any of this matters because you were

2055
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 7: just you were just there. But I'm curious, are you Jewish?

2056
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:17,440
Speaker 7: Are you Christian? And you atheist? Apathysts?

2057
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 4: Like what's what? What's and do you have a view

2058
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 4: on the politics here.

2059
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:24,040
Speaker 7: Like I said, it doesn't matter, nobody should beaten up

2060
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:26,519
Speaker 7: no matter what they think, any wherever they are on

2061
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 7: the spectrum, and you were just there.

2062
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Speaker 4: But I'm also just curious.

2063
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I'm not religious at all, and I do

2064
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 5: support the rights of Palestinians to live in a free

2065
01:43:42,479 --> 01:43:46,600
Speaker 5: state of their own. And I think, like you know,

2066
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:49,880
Speaker 5: what happened to me, it really gave me a glimpse

2067
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:55,280
Speaker 5: into the daily reality of Palestinians under occupation. Just they're

2068
01:43:55,320 --> 01:44:00,000
Speaker 5: subjected to violence, to humanization, abandonment, and and what happened

2069
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:02,360
Speaker 5: to me isn't isolated. It's part of a broader system

2070
01:44:02,439 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 5: of violence, and that needs to be that needs to end.

2071
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Speaker 8: My last question is about the situation in Crown Heights,

2072
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:14,280
Speaker 8: and people are sort of familiar with the historical tensions

2073
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:18,679
Speaker 8: that have simmered over in Crown Heights, and what's very frightening.

2074
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 8: One of the many things that's very frightening about your

2075
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 8: experience and about the video is how is this anger

2076
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:30,680
Speaker 8: seems to be bubbling into something very very dangerous right now?

2077
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 8: So I wanted to ask, I mean, this is kind

2078
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:35,640
Speaker 8: of a meta question, but there's a reason that you

2079
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:39,520
Speaker 8: want to speak out anonymously, and I imagine.

2080
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:41,120
Speaker 6: That it has to do with your safety.

2081
01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:43,759
Speaker 8: So if you could speak to that and the situation

2082
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 8: in Crown Heights, whether you see it as something that's

2083
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 8: very dangerous right now, that would be much appreciated.

2084
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:55,040
Speaker 5: Yeah. Sure, Yeah, I'm absolutely afraid for my own safety

2085
01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:57,519
Speaker 5: in the neighborhood I lived in and have lived in

2086
01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 5: for almost a decade. I'm afraid of being recognized. And yes,

2087
01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:08,760
Speaker 5: there's a long and fraught history of tensions involving this

2088
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:13,760
Speaker 5: community in Crown Heights. I would say, like two weeks ago,

2089
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 5: members of the Orthodox Jewish community brutally beat an elderly

2090
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 5: black man in a wheelchair and threw him to the sidewalk.

2091
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:25,240
Speaker 5: Earlier that night, you know, you mentioned it before, Like

2092
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:28,320
Speaker 5: that same mob that attacked me, They threw a brook

2093
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 5: at a brick at a woman's face. They assaulted an

2094
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:35,040
Speaker 5: anti zion As Hasidic man that night, also throwing into

2095
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:39,800
Speaker 5: the ground and removing his religious head covering. And like

2096
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:42,040
Speaker 5: you know, I've lived here for a long time, I

2097
01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 5: know the history, Like the Orthodox Jewish community rings terror

2098
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 5: on this neighborhood with impunity and I don't normally feel

2099
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:56,559
Speaker 5: that tensions walking through the street as a white woman,

2100
01:45:56,800 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 5: but I am aware of it. I am aware that

2101
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:04,320
Speaker 5: they are afforded certain privileges that not everyone else in

2102
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 5: the neighborhood is.

2103
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:10,400
Speaker 7: As we saw Thursday, the event happened Thursday night in

2104
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 7: full view of all the police, and nothing happened until

2105
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:16,720
Speaker 7: Monday until the you know, there's a spotlight put on it.

2106
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:19,920
Speaker 7: So thank thank you so much for you know, sharing

2107
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:23,000
Speaker 7: your your perspective, the videos and and your side of

2108
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 7: this this terrifying event.

2109
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:26,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, we really appreciate it.

2110
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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you.

2111
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Speaker 7: Joining us now is Turnobob, editor of the Africanist Press.

2112
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Speaker 4: And also we can put this element up on the screen.

2113
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Speaker 7: The author of the tremendous book The Ebola Outbreak in

2114
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:44,640
Speaker 7: West Africa, Corporate gangsters, multinationals and rogue Politicians.

2115
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:48,120
Speaker 4: We spoke with Turno a year or two ago.

2116
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:53,640
Speaker 7: About the Abola outbreak in West Africa, and we can

2117
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:56,639
Speaker 7: put a link to that interview that we did down

2118
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:59,720
Speaker 7: in the down in the show notes. Embarrassed say, I

2119
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:02,680
Speaker 7: hadn't read the full book by the time that we

2120
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:04,759
Speaker 7: had you on then, because we were moving fairly quickly.

2121
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:07,640
Speaker 7: But I've since read it. It's really a masterpiece. I

2122
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:10,599
Speaker 7: would recommend it to every It's it's also a fairly

2123
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:12,479
Speaker 7: short books. There was no excuse that I hadn't read

2124
01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 7: it yet. But it runs through the history of kind

2125
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 7: of multinational, corporate and colonial involvement in medical research in Africa,

2126
01:47:22,360 --> 01:47:25,920
Speaker 7: and then you know, leads up into Ebola and the

2127
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:28,240
Speaker 7: and the response. And I'll let you talk about it

2128
01:47:28,240 --> 01:47:29,680
Speaker 7: a little bit because we want we're going to talk

2129
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:31,640
Speaker 7: about some other things in this in this segment, but

2130
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:39,200
Speaker 7: you know, you you basically demonstrate with authority that the

2131
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:42,679
Speaker 7: story that we're told about how the Ebola outbreak happened

2132
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:47,680
Speaker 7: is ludicrous as no evidentiary basis, and that the more

2133
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 7: likely cause is the shoddy lab that was doing a

2134
01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 7: bola research in Sierra Leone and anything you want to

2135
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:56,400
Speaker 7: add about about that.

2136
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Speaker 22: Yes, it's been ten years now.

2137
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Speaker 12: Since I published that book, or since I wrote that book,

2138
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 12: and it's interesting to see that the conversation that we

2139
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:13,479
Speaker 12: started ten years ago still is relevant today, especially when

2140
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:16,599
Speaker 12: we talk about COVID and the pandemic. It was five

2141
01:48:16,720 --> 01:48:20,759
Speaker 12: years before COVID at the time when the outbreak happened.

2142
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:24,639
Speaker 12: The official narrative was that the outbreak started in Guinea,

2143
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:27,800
Speaker 12: and they identified Emily woman way two years old or

2144
01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:30,200
Speaker 12: less than two year old child an eighteen year old

2145
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 12: boy as the index case of the outbreak. They alleged

2146
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:36,519
Speaker 12: that the child had participated in the hunting and grillion

2147
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:39,160
Speaker 12: of a bat. So my book challenge is that what

2148
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:45,720
Speaker 12: we call the official narrative raising questions that would have

2149
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:49,280
Speaker 12: allowed people to look into the biodefense research operation that

2150
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:53,559
Speaker 12: was happening in eastern Syrallian dating back to two thousand

2151
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 12: and four, ten years before the outbreak. But I think

2152
01:48:57,720 --> 01:48:59,960
Speaker 12: ten years ago when the book came out, it was

2153
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:03,240
Speaker 12: very difficult to have that conversation because any attempt to

2154
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:09,840
Speaker 12: have a conversation that challenged the dominant narrative as we

2155
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:12,599
Speaker 12: called it then, was considered a conspiracy theory.

2156
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 22: So very few people were willing to have that kind

2157
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:16,639
Speaker 22: of conversation.

2158
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 12: So I travel around the world at the time, going

2159
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:23,520
Speaker 12: to Europe, across the United States, and in some African countries.

2160
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:27,920
Speaker 22: To promote the book. You know, ten years down the line,

2161
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:28,800
Speaker 22: I think now we.

2162
01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:31,360
Speaker 12: Have some kind of a significant amount of people who

2163
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:36,600
Speaker 12: are perhaps willing to listen to that kind of you know,

2164
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:40,800
Speaker 12: the possibility that the outbreak that killed thousands of people

2165
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Speaker 12: in West Africa and still has a lingering socio economic

2166
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:48,200
Speaker 12: impact and psychological impact on the population of West Africa.

2167
01:49:48,760 --> 01:49:53,320
Speaker 12: Talking about people who lived in Strira, Lian, in Liberia

2168
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Speaker 12: and Guinea, the epicenter of that epidemic, are still unaware

2169
01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:01,840
Speaker 12: of the causes and origin of that. We've had so

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Speaker 12: much about COVID, which happened five years and afterwards. There

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01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:08,439
Speaker 12: has been some kind of congressional discussion, some kind of

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Speaker 12: White House conversation around COVID, but no such conversation has

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Speaker 12: happened for the victims of the epidemic in West Africa.

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Speaker 12: And I had said in my book that what we

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Speaker 12: witnessed in West Africa in twenty fifteen was a prelude,

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Speaker 12: was address reheaursal to what the world will face with

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Speaker 12: this whole idea of pathrogens being part of warfare, bioterrorism

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Speaker 12: and all these kinds of things. So I'm happy that

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Speaker 12: we're still talking about this ten years later. I'm hoping

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Speaker 12: that this conversation will loom large, that the victims of

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Speaker 12: the bold outbreak would get justice. At least we'll be

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Speaker 12: able to understand how that outbreak that killed their family members,

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Speaker 12: their relatives, their friends and neighbors. We need the truth,

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Speaker 12: We need some kind of a disclosure of information around

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Speaker 12: what corporations we are doing, what universities and the research scientists,

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01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:01,640
Speaker 12: because we're talking about the same institution, same individuals who

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Speaker 12: are involved with COVID where the ones who get involved

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Speaker 12: in West.

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Speaker 4: Africa, and it's it's relevant.

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Speaker 7: The conversation is relevant today, I think for a lot

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Speaker 7: of reasons, but one of them is that here here

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Speaker 7: in the West, the debate around what we call quote

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Speaker 7: unquote foreign aid is that the Democrats will say, you know,

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01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 7: kind of foreign aid is good and we should do

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Speaker 7: it because it's it's it's good and also it helps

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Speaker 7: the United States, you know, with our soft power, and

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01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:27,720
Speaker 7: people love us because we do it. The Republicans will

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Speaker 7: say foreign aid is good because you know, it's charity

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Speaker 7: and it helps people, but it's not our business, like

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01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:36,600
Speaker 7: we we don't need to do it. They need to

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Speaker 7: take care of themselves. But there's really no debate over

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Speaker 7: whether or not. You know, it's it's fundamentally a good thing.

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Speaker 7: So that's why I wanted to have have you on

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01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:49,280
Speaker 7: today because obviously, you know, somebody who is getting you know,

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Speaker 7: access to HIV HIV treatment like they need that treatment

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01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:57,240
Speaker 7: as a as a particular individual. But taking it from

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01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:01,920
Speaker 7: a micro case to to a macro case, let's talk

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01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:05,280
Speaker 7: about what the what the fallout has been in the

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Speaker 7: regions where you cover to both you know, the the

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Speaker 7: pulling back of U S A I D, but also

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01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:14,600
Speaker 7: UH what has happened in the wake of some of

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01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:19,719
Speaker 7: these some of the the quote unquote aid or investment

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Speaker 7: UH projects that have that have rolled out through d

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Speaker 7: f C or MCC. Will talk about those separately. First,

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Speaker 7: what was your reaction when you saw the you know,

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Speaker 7: the cuts to the U S A I D. And

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Speaker 7: from from your understanding, what what have been you know,

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Speaker 7: how how is Africa responding?

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Speaker 13: Well?

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Speaker 22: I think the problem here.

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Speaker 12: We entered into a problem because when these real conversations

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01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:47,599
Speaker 12: that affect people's lives. We're talking about women and men,

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01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:52,519
Speaker 12: you know, children who have suffered from dictators, from bad government,

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01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:56,280
Speaker 12: from corruption in Africa. And when we we have this

2225
01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:59,080
Speaker 12: kind of conversation, risk is that when it becomes partisan,

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Speaker 12: we lose the importance of scrutinizing international relations. To what

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01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:14,120
Speaker 12: extent has international relations affected the lives of ordinary people.

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Speaker 22: In the case of Syralan, we've been raising these issues.

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Speaker 12: We've said clearly that we are not against what you

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01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:23,400
Speaker 12: might call for indirect investment or genuine solidarity and support

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01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:27,000
Speaker 12: that applics people. But what we've witnessed in the last

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01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:31,120
Speaker 12: sixty years is a kind of relations that has undermined

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01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:36,360
Speaker 12: the real development. Not only that that has imposed huge debts,

2234
01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:40,360
Speaker 12: non transparent debts and contracts that have affected lives. You know,

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01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:43,680
Speaker 12: we raise in the last five years, for example, the

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01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:50,400
Speaker 12: US International Development Finance Corporation in Sralian acquired you know,

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01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:56,439
Speaker 12: huge contracts in infrastructure projects, telecommunication projects, and these are

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01:53:57,120 --> 01:54:00,000
Speaker 12: amounts of money ranging to four hundred and twelve million

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01:54:00,240 --> 01:54:04,200
Speaker 12: in one case for an electricity project that was never constructed.

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Speaker 12: And the processes through which that you know, these contracts

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Speaker 12: were awarded. We also did not comply with even US

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01:54:13,200 --> 01:54:18,720
Speaker 12: laws regarding foreign direct investment in in Africa or point

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Speaker 12: other places we raise these questions, nobody listened.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 12: The same thing with the Millennium Challenge Corporation that claimed

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01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:29,559
Speaker 12: that they've signed a compact agreement with Relion to support

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01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:32,800
Speaker 12: the energy sectorance volume with one undred and eighty million dollars,

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01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:35,640
Speaker 12: and even as we speak today, more than ninety percent

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Speaker 12: of the Saliny and population do not have access to electricity,

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Speaker 12: They do not have access to safe and pure drinking water.

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Speaker 12: The healthcare system is broken. So when you talk about

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Speaker 12: us AID, DFC and MCC giving money or loans of

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Speaker 12: credit or charity to countries like Relion, the citizens would

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Speaker 12: be wandering where this money is going, because there's no

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Speaker 12: evidence of that on the ground. So I would say

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Speaker 12: that rationally speaking, if we remove the partisan aspect of

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01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:10,960
Speaker 12: this conversation, we have to look at the real impact

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01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:15,120
Speaker 12: of these so called development assistance or loans or credit

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01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:17,880
Speaker 12: or charity, whatever you might want to call it. But

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Speaker 12: it hasn't translated into real development. It hasn't changed the

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01:55:21,680 --> 01:55:24,360
Speaker 12: living conditions of the people of many of these countries.

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Speaker 12: So it's one case, but there you can find this

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Speaker 12: in any African country. This is why many African citizens

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01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:34,800
Speaker 12: do not you know, are not really affected by these

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01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 12: The politicians, the corporations, the companies who have been benefiting

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Speaker 12: from the advance that have been complaining and unfortunately we

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01:55:42,760 --> 01:55:44,680
Speaker 12: do not have an opportunity of speaking to the people

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Speaker 12: who are directly impacted by these developments. When these conversations

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01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:51,640
Speaker 12: are being you know held, they are always we always

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01:55:51,680 --> 01:55:54,920
Speaker 12: listen to opinion leaders or representatives of these corporations who

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01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:58,800
Speaker 12: tend to complain about the withdrawal of so called aid

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01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:02,640
Speaker 12: and charity that has not really benefited the millions of

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01:56:02,720 --> 01:56:06,680
Speaker 12: people across Africa and in other places on whose names

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01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:11,520
Speaker 12: and conditions these supposed charitable programs have been done. So

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Speaker 12: we have to in order to get at this conversation,

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01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:17,240
Speaker 12: we have to have this conversation outside of the Democrats

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01:56:17,320 --> 01:56:22,120
Speaker 12: or the Republicans or whatever party. When issues of development

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01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:24,600
Speaker 12: and human rights and peace have been discussed and we talked,

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Speaker 12: we bring these partisant issues into the conversation, we risk

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Speaker 12: losing the reality and the impacts that these situations tend

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01:56:34,760 --> 01:56:38,320
Speaker 12: to have on the real lives of people. I have

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Speaker 12: been one individual that has reported on corruption and human

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01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:45,320
Speaker 12: right violations in West Africa for more than twenty years

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Speaker 12: and one of the issues we've encountered every time we

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Speaker 12: raised this is raised these questions to US officials. For example,

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Speaker 12: in the last administration, we help countless meetings with the

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Speaker 12: State Department representatives of diplomats who were in charge of

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Speaker 12: West Africa. They ignore these questions. They ignore the fact that,

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Speaker 12: for example, have been in exile for more than five

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01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:11,440
Speaker 12: six years, have been her ass transnationally by for just

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01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:14,600
Speaker 12: raising these issues of corruption, that moneys that have been

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01:57:15,240 --> 01:57:20,000
Speaker 12: awarded to corrupt through gyms in West Africa, affecting human

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01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:23,840
Speaker 12: rights defenders, affecting journalists, affecting independent media, our ability to

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01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:27,200
Speaker 12: hold leaders accountable. Every time we raise corruption issues. In fact,

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01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:30,880
Speaker 12: the that's when the governments received more money. In fact,

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01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:33,480
Speaker 12: you have a situation where politicians in West Africa would

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01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:35,800
Speaker 12: tell us that the more you write about corruption, the

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01:57:35,880 --> 01:57:39,640
Speaker 12: more we get money from Western countries, including the United States.

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Speaker 22: So this was a very problematic situation. It's not just

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Speaker 22: the US.

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Speaker 12: You also look at organizations like the IMF, the World

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Speaker 12: Bank who've been imposing debts, non transparent debts on these country.

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01:57:50,600 --> 01:57:54,400
Speaker 12: So we have millions of hundreds of millions and billions

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01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:58,440
Speaker 12: of dollars in debts and so called aid that has

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01:57:58,520 --> 01:58:01,120
Speaker 12: not changed the conditions Inure. It's more than sixty five

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01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:04,000
Speaker 12: years now. So youon just celebrated what the gos sixty

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01:58:04,040 --> 01:58:07,560
Speaker 12: four years independence and when you look at the country,

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01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:11,400
Speaker 12: the indices of povertier and the development are very stuck.

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Speaker 22: You know, you don't need to go too far.

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01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:15,560
Speaker 12: You just need to have someone on the street and

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01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:18,160
Speaker 12: ask them how do you feel about what your government

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01:58:18,240 --> 01:58:19,800
Speaker 12: is doing. They will tell you the government is corrupt,

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01:58:19,960 --> 01:58:22,240
Speaker 12: the government is not responsive to their needs, and.

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Speaker 8: Lots of I was going to say, Turner, let's talk

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01:58:24,720 --> 01:58:26,400
Speaker 8: more about that, because a lot of people here in

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01:58:26,440 --> 01:58:30,280
Speaker 8: the United States. When USAID, for example, was on the

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01:58:30,360 --> 01:58:34,320
Speaker 8: sort of cutting table in the early days of Trump's

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01:58:34,920 --> 01:58:38,560
Speaker 8: second administration, the media portrayed this as the sky was

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01:58:38,720 --> 01:58:42,320
Speaker 8: falling in the United States. This was, you know, taking

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Speaker 8: a racking ball to lowercase deed democracy in human rights.

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Speaker 8: And there are you know, obviously cases where people's livelihoods

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01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:54,000
Speaker 8: and health and safety were affected by it, no question

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Speaker 8: about it. But your experience suggests that this relic of

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01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:00,720
Speaker 8: the Cold War era that was meant to be a

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Speaker 8: bulwark against the Soviet influence around the world is always

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01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:08,520
Speaker 8: the aid is always coming with strings attached. That you know,

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Speaker 8: the question of democracy is not the pure question at

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Speaker 8: hand when aid money is distributed or when yeah, well,

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Speaker 8: I mean even when when aid money is distributed and

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Speaker 8: NGOs non governmental organizations are bolstered by that aid money

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01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:25,520
Speaker 8: and when when they are chosen. Uh, there's there's always

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Speaker 8: a strategy that is very particular and not just about

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Speaker 8: lowercase D democracy.

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Speaker 6: Your experience speaks to that.

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Speaker 8: So can you tell our listeners and viewers a little

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Speaker 8: bit about the reality behind the curtain of USA I,

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Speaker 8: D and foreign aid.

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Speaker 12: Well, I think what what you call development as systems

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01:59:47,960 --> 01:59:50,440
Speaker 12: of foreign aid did in the case of Stalin. We

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01:59:50,520 --> 01:59:54,720
Speaker 12: take the last four or five years of the the

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01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:57,680
Speaker 12: current government in power, is that it emboldened them. It

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01:59:57,800 --> 02:00:03,000
Speaker 12: emboldened them to you know, ignore to violate human rights,

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02:00:03,160 --> 02:00:07,720
Speaker 12: to suppress citizens, including journalists, independent journalists like myself, with

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02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:11,080
Speaker 12: impunity because they believe that they were backed by an

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02:00:11,120 --> 02:00:14,840
Speaker 12: administration that kept giving them money. When we raise the

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Speaker 12: issues of corruption regarding the non transparent acquisition of contracts

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Speaker 12: by corporations and companies funded by the DFC, the State

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Speaker 12: Department went ahead and signed a funded an eighty million agreement,

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Speaker 12: a compact agreement MCC agreement with this Ilan government. This

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02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:32,360
Speaker 12: was less than a year ago, and this was for

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Speaker 12: an electricity project that they've been talking about for fifteen years.

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Speaker 22: And we've counted more than almost a billion.

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Speaker 12: Dollars in debts or loan or credit, whatever you might

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Speaker 12: call it, that for the construction of a power plant

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Speaker 12: that has never been built. And even as we speak,

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Speaker 12: more than ninety percent of the population of Sweet Town,

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Speaker 12: the capital of Syralon, do not have electricity. And we

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Speaker 12: have it on the records that the MCC and the

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Speaker 12: DFC has given Syrallon four hundred and eighty million in

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Speaker 12: one case FO hundred and twelve million. We're talking about

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Speaker 12: more than eight hundred million dollars of US tax payers moneys,

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Speaker 12: you know, given to a government for the construction and

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Speaker 12: provision of literacy supply that.

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Speaker 22: Has never been provided. The service is not available.

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Speaker 12: So if you talk about it withdraw out of funding,

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Speaker 12: in that case, people are not even going to be

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Speaker 12: bot at because the money that was announced was not

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Speaker 12: has not done anything on the ground. So the people

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Speaker 12: who would be offended or who be affected by that

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Speaker 12: situation will be the politicians and the corporations and the

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Speaker 12: companies and the contractors who we are benefiting from these

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Speaker 12: rogue relationships and investment agreements that we are non transparent,

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Speaker 12: that even violated US laws because you cannot on the books,

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02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:47,040
Speaker 12: you cannot spend US tax payers money in the country

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Speaker 12: that doesn't respect human right, that doesn't respect the freedom

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Speaker 12: of his own citizens. So the governmental stralium felt emboldened

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Speaker 12: by these corporate relationships financial inducements to disregard accountability questions.

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Speaker 12: And it's not just Relion. You can find this across

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Speaker 12: many of the other countries in Africa. And if you

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Speaker 12: look at the people who have been complaining, they are

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Speaker 12: not regular African citizens, right.

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Speaker 4: And your workers and right, that's what I ask you about.

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Speaker 7: So the aid gets sent by let's say, USA, I,

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Speaker 7: d MC, c DFC and some of these international development

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Speaker 7: finance corporations or institutions, so that it gets sent out.

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Speaker 7: In your experience, and you've done so much corruption reporting

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Speaker 7: in your experience, how much of that money gets kind

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Speaker 7: of stolen by African elites, the early on elites, and

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Speaker 7: how much of it gets stolen by Western elites who

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Speaker 7: so it never even arrives for it to be stolen

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Speaker 7: by the elites in Africa.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, that is the question.

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Speaker 12: In fact, three years ago we've developed what we call

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Speaker 12: it the African experce and Illicit Financial Fluids Project. Why

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Speaker 12: you know, when we look at the corruption on the ground,

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Speaker 12: the amount of money, whether as from the IMF and

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Speaker 12: the World Bank that has been given and we don't

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Speaker 12: see the development. We decided to look at the transnational

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Speaker 12: dimension of this corrupt arrangement because when you talk about corruption,

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Speaker 12: in most cases, it tends to be localized, being seen

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Speaker 12: as these government's given money and the African politicians and

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Speaker 12: African bureau class advance that are still in these money.

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Speaker 12: And what we've come to realize is that much of

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Speaker 12: that money, even the African politicians themselves are just pawns

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Speaker 12: in this whole arrangement where these moneys have been shipped

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Speaker 12: into offshore accounts and tax heavens and all of that.

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Speaker 22: So we've been mapping and developing a database of these.

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Speaker 12: Movement of transnational fonts and how African governments themselves are

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Speaker 12: just part of an auxiliary of points in this whole

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Speaker 12: international cricketer in enterprise that has developed, you know, for

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Speaker 12: at least in.

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Speaker 22: The last.

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Speaker 12: Sixty years or sixty five years, So we're looking at

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Speaker 12: Africa from ninety seventy five to present. So it's difficult

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Speaker 12: to even assign a percentage in this case, and we've

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Speaker 12: been that's the troubling question. How much agency can we

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Speaker 12: are signed through the African politicians themselves who are roped

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Speaker 12: into these international corruption enterprise and this deals with sovereignty issues,

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02:04:16,360 --> 02:04:20,240
Speaker 12: it deals with elections and democratization. We are leaders who

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Speaker 12: do not play along these lines fall out of favor

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Speaker 12: with governments and they are easily kicked out of power.

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Speaker 12: And those who agree to be used to participate in

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Speaker 12: this international process are aided and are bettered in rigging

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Speaker 12: elections and consult and the consolidate dictatorships. We saw that

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Speaker 12: in elections in Srilon in June twenty twenty three, where

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Speaker 12: people voted against the government and elections. People went to

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Speaker 12: vote and elections the results are still absent. If the

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Speaker 12: US election monitors themselves said the elections we are non transparent,

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Speaker 12: but the DFC and MCC continued giving money or signing

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02:05:00,200 --> 02:05:03,200
Speaker 12: finance agreements with the salutant government.

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Speaker 22: So this speaks to the.

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Speaker 12: Question is something that is that is new that people

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02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:15,640
Speaker 12: need to look into, inviting journalists now increasingly to you know,

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02:05:15,720 --> 02:05:18,960
Speaker 12: to reverse the scale and begin to look at transnationally,

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02:05:19,080 --> 02:05:21,000
Speaker 12: not just on the local African context.

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Speaker 22: How much money has been stolen.

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02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:25,760
Speaker 12: You take the case of Ibula, much of the funds

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Speaker 12: that went to roll back in Bula and West Africa

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02:05:28,400 --> 02:05:33,040
Speaker 12: was taken back by international organizations. Some of that is

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Speaker 12: in my book the non source agreement that it's difficult

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Speaker 12: to even compute them now.

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Speaker 7: Now, maybe that's something that we can work on together

2443
02:05:41,560 --> 02:05:43,520
Speaker 7: and real quickly. Last question for you. I don't know

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02:05:43,600 --> 02:05:47,280
Speaker 7: that Emily has anything else. My sense of how this

2445
02:05:47,440 --> 02:05:50,080
Speaker 7: plays out on the ground, and here's for your take

2446
02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:55,400
Speaker 7: on this is that the corruption that this produces ends

2447
02:05:55,520 --> 02:05:58,760
Speaker 7: up kind of crushing democracy in at least to two

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Speaker 7: different major ways.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 7: One is the one that you've talked about, that the

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02:06:03,440 --> 02:06:06,760
Speaker 7: governments that are in power don't feel any obligation to

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02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:10,480
Speaker 7: respond to the will of the public and make reforms

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02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:13,200
Speaker 7: and improve their lives because they know that they have

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02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:17,280
Speaker 7: the backing of these US institutions whether they do it

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02:06:17,400 --> 02:06:20,200
Speaker 7: or not, so why bother with it? But then secondly,

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02:06:22,320 --> 02:06:27,160
Speaker 7: by by infecting the system with so much corruption, it

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02:06:27,560 --> 02:06:31,640
Speaker 7: reduces the amount of engagement I would think that regular

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02:06:31,720 --> 02:06:34,520
Speaker 7: people have with their government, because you can have a

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Speaker 7: social democratic reformer who says he's going to do X

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02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:40,480
Speaker 7: y Z when he gets into office, but the regular

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02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:43,680
Speaker 7: person just thinks he's just as corrupt as anybody else.

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02:06:44,080 --> 02:06:46,720
Speaker 7: And so when he gets in, he's going he's it's

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02:06:46,800 --> 02:06:48,880
Speaker 7: just a different flavor of stealing from me. And so

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Speaker 7: when what that does is it breaks that bond between

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Speaker 7: the people and the government and makes and makes democracy

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02:06:57,880 --> 02:07:00,880
Speaker 7: just a just a bunch of elections. And then if

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Speaker 7: the elections don't go the right way, they just changed

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Speaker 7: They just change accounting like they did in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 4: And we had you on to talk about that at

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Speaker 4: the time.

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Speaker 7: So is anything is that sense that I have roughly

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Speaker 7: accurate and like, how would you characterize it?

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Speaker 22: Yeah?

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02:07:16,200 --> 02:07:21,480
Speaker 12: Absolutely, It just empowers citizens because when you go to

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02:07:21,600 --> 02:07:23,560
Speaker 12: vote and you find out that your vote doesn't count

2476
02:07:24,120 --> 02:07:26,640
Speaker 12: and your voice doesn't count, it silences people.

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02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:28,920
Speaker 22: It makes mockery of democracy.

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02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:32,840
Speaker 12: It turns neo liberal democracy into a facade where people

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02:07:33,200 --> 02:07:35,680
Speaker 12: do not believe in the electoral process. And this is

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02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:39,880
Speaker 12: dangerous because it opens up ideas people begin to think

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02:07:39,880 --> 02:07:42,440
Speaker 12: about how to actualize their own citizenship, their right to

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02:07:42,640 --> 02:07:46,960
Speaker 12: have a say in government. The key to governance is trust.

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02:07:47,080 --> 02:07:50,240
Speaker 12: There has to be a fundamental trust between citizens and

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Speaker 12: those they elect, where supposedly elected leaders cannot be held

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02:07:56,040 --> 02:07:59,200
Speaker 12: accountable and they cannot be punished when they violate the

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02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:02,919
Speaker 12: social contract between them and electorate.

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Speaker 22: It is a major problem.

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Speaker 12: And in the case of Africa, it's not just robbing

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Speaker 12: African countries of their own sovereignity, their inability to have

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02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:15,200
Speaker 12: a say on the global stage, but also it empowers

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02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:19,680
Speaker 12: regular citizens, especially when countries like the United States back

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02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:25,560
Speaker 12: autopractical leaders in Africa who steal money, who steal votes,

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02:08:26,080 --> 02:08:29,160
Speaker 12: and also steal the lives of their own people. You know,

2494
02:08:29,320 --> 02:08:32,600
Speaker 12: people feel this empowered, they lose faith in government, they

2495
02:08:32,680 --> 02:08:35,480
Speaker 12: lose trust in their own leaders, and once that happens,

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02:08:35,840 --> 02:08:38,800
Speaker 12: it opens the way for conflict of all kinds. And

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Speaker 12: this is why you have this instability on top of

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Speaker 12: the other development and the horrible conditions of poverty. There's

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Speaker 12: no stability in Africa because people are constantly thinking about

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Speaker 12: how to get rid of this burden that they've been

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Speaker 12: dealing with for the last sixty five years or more

2502
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:57,640
Speaker 12: since so called independence, the transition from direct colonialism to

2503
02:08:57,720 --> 02:09:00,000
Speaker 12: what we have today. We're in the generous African politicians

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02:09:00,160 --> 02:09:02,920
Speaker 12: from our own communities get elected into offices and they

2505
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:05,560
Speaker 12: do not serve the interest of their own people, and

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02:09:05,600 --> 02:09:07,720
Speaker 12: they do not even listen to the interest of their

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Speaker 12: own people.

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Speaker 22: That do not care.

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Speaker 12: They serve the interests of foreign, foreign corporations and those

2510
02:09:12,720 --> 02:09:15,160
Speaker 12: are the people their account that they are worried about.

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02:09:15,160 --> 02:09:17,400
Speaker 12: They're worried about whether they will be on the good

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02:09:17,440 --> 02:09:18,920
Speaker 12: books of the United States. Right now, many of the

2513
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:23,480
Speaker 12: African leaders are worried. They're constantly thinking about hiring lobbies

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02:09:23,600 --> 02:09:25,880
Speaker 12: to be on the good books of the current administration.

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Speaker 12: Especially in the case of Australian the government that enjoyed

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02:09:29,480 --> 02:09:33,160
Speaker 12: treatmendous goodwill from the Biden Harrison administration. Now they're constantly

2517
02:09:33,240 --> 02:09:37,520
Speaker 12: thinking about how to recalibrate their entire program to be

2518
02:09:37,640 --> 02:09:40,280
Speaker 12: on the good books of the current new administration in Washington,

2519
02:09:40,320 --> 02:09:44,480
Speaker 12: because they need that to be able to undertake these

2520
02:09:44,720 --> 02:09:47,920
Speaker 12: you know, to continue on the road to dictatorship and authoritarianism.

2521
02:09:48,080 --> 02:09:52,000
Speaker 12: So the United States need to retink it's own relations

2522
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Speaker 12: with these countries. And this is not a partician conversation.

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Speaker 12: It is way beyond republican or democrat. It deals with

2524
02:09:59,280 --> 02:10:02,680
Speaker 12: real people's lives. It deals with independence and selfdetermination and

2525
02:10:03,200 --> 02:10:06,640
Speaker 12: the lives of women and children who have been suffering

2526
02:10:06,720 --> 02:10:10,320
Speaker 12: for many, many years, who have no other opportunities. All

2527
02:10:10,400 --> 02:10:12,640
Speaker 12: they want is just peace, to be let alone. To

2528
02:10:12,680 --> 02:10:16,400
Speaker 12: be able to work, free to leave, you know, to

2529
02:10:16,520 --> 02:10:20,879
Speaker 12: have the minimum standards of existence, electricity, good roads, healthcare.

2530
02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:23,560
Speaker 12: These are basic human needs and we should be able

2531
02:10:23,600 --> 02:10:26,760
Speaker 12: to look at this problem beyond outside of these boxes.

2532
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Speaker 12: Now we've placed ourselves dispartisan boxes. I think that is

2533
02:10:31,080 --> 02:10:33,600
Speaker 12: the issue. That's the message. Nobody in Africa is against

2534
02:10:33,600 --> 02:10:38,280
Speaker 12: foreign relations. What we are against is that foreign direct

2535
02:10:38,360 --> 02:10:41,120
Speaker 12: investment or foreign relations should not be conducted at the

2536
02:10:41,160 --> 02:10:43,760
Speaker 12: expense of the lives and liberty of African citizens. In

2537
02:10:43,760 --> 02:10:47,080
Speaker 12: the case of Australian we're saying that any such engagement

2538
02:10:47,160 --> 02:10:49,880
Speaker 12: should have at its call the protection of the lives

2539
02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:53,000
Speaker 12: and liberty of all salunions, including those of us who

2540
02:10:53,040 --> 02:10:55,880
Speaker 12: want to hold leaders accountable to the minimum standards of

2541
02:10:55,920 --> 02:10:59,800
Speaker 12: good governance and accountability. They should not be for anyone,

2542
02:11:00,040 --> 02:11:05,560
Speaker 12: the godless of your party, ideology or persuasion. You should

2543
02:11:05,600 --> 02:11:08,400
Speaker 12: be able to support this kind of a human demand.

2544
02:11:08,800 --> 02:11:12,880
Speaker 12: It's a demand for freedom and liberty which everybody around

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02:11:12,920 --> 02:11:14,400
Speaker 12: the world, you know as bis.

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Speaker 7: Yes, sounds sounds reasonable to Met Chernoba, journalist at the

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02:11:18,120 --> 02:11:19,000
Speaker 7: Africanist Press.

2548
02:11:19,600 --> 02:11:19,880
Speaker 4: Editor.

2549
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Speaker 7: I'm an author of the great book The Ebola Outbreak.

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02:11:23,440 --> 02:11:25,680
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Speaker 22: Thank you for having me.

2552
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