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Speaker 1: Ever since the horrific terror attacks in Israel on October seventh,

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Speaker 1: we've seen anti Semitism re or its ugly head across America.

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Speaker 1: Particularly disturbing is what's happening on college campuses where you

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Speaker 1: who's protecting Jewish students and what does this mean for

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Speaker 1: to bring John Hassen on the show. He writes for

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Speaker 1: town Hall. He's been naming and shaming students who have

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Speaker 1: signed on to some of these letters at universities and

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on this show. I've been

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Speaker 1: following your work with what's going on in college campuses

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Speaker 1: on well X, but I still like to stay Twitter,

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Speaker 1: so it's still kind of weird to you know. I

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Speaker 1: still go back to Twitter, but appreciate you taking the

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Lisay So, John, we've seen a lot of anti semitism

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Speaker 1: on college campuses, I mean really outright support for the

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Speaker 1: genocide of Jews. You've been tracking this all, so take

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Speaker 1: us through some of the examples of what you've been

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Speaker 2: Sure, absolutely, and thanks again for having me on, Lisa.

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Speaker 2: What we're seeing right now is really a national trend

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Speaker 2: over the past several decades that's finally kind of coming

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Speaker 2: home to roost. On October seventh, Israel was invaded by

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Speaker 2: students across the country, just dozens of student chapters of

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Speaker 2: various universities put out statements supporting the terrorists, not Israel,

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Speaker 2: but supporting the terrorists raping and murdering Israeli citizens and

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Speaker 2: thirty American citizens as well. So this took the form

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Speaker 1: And so Jewish students are supposed to be do, what

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Speaker 1: is anyone protecting them on college campuses?

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Speaker 2: Very few people, if any, that I've seen. Ben sass

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Speaker 2: Over at the University of Florida put out a phenomenal statement,

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Speaker 2: speaking out and condemning anti Semitism by name. By contrast,

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Speaker 2: believe Harvard put out a statement, but it was several

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Speaker 2: days late after thirty four or thirty five of their

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Speaker 2: student groups signed on to a statement blaming Israel for

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Speaker 2: seeing really an institutional failure nationwide when it comes to

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine being a Jewish student on campus right now.

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Speaker 2: you know? Who's behind those statements. Who's behind all these

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Speaker 1: Do you think these students who are cheering this on,

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Speaker 2: That's a great question, lisaid I honestly do think a

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Speaker 2: this people need to remember two things. First, there's a

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Speaker 2: A lot of these are students, are law students, they're

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Speaker 2: But the second point is a lot of this stems

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Speaker 1: And I was reading about the Cornell professor who also

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there are other examples of that across the country.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty terrifying after finding out that you

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Speaker 1: Yet students around the country believe that this is like

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Speaker 2: That absolutely, And you're making a good point because this

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Speaker 1: And we've seen people stand up, you know, some CEOs

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Speaker 1: And you've named and shamed with your writing at town Hall.

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Speaker 1: Why'd you make the decision to do that.

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Speaker 2: I had a number of different Jewish friends reach out

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Speaker 2: That would be horrifying, and especially if it's from an anonymous,

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Speaker 1: You know, some will say that, you know, oh that's

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Speaker 3: You know, what do you say to that criticism.

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Speaker 2: I haven't had two answers. The first is, as I've

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Speaker 2: So these are full grown adults. So we're not punishing kids,

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Speaker 2: we're punishing adults. And secondly, it's one thing to hold someone,

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Speaker 2: already seeing many people grow disillusioned with the Black Lives

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Speaker 1: You know, we've seen, you know, Governor DeSantis here in

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Speaker 1: It's pretty terrifying to see the raw in our country.

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Speaker 1: You know, you would think if there was ever a

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Speaker 1: Well, and they also have no problem just taking Hamas

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Speaker 3: John Hassen, thanks so much, Town Hall. Go check out

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Speaker 3: his work.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Lisa, Appreciate you having me on.

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Speaker 1: taking the time to join the show. Appreciate you guys

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Speaker 1: at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you

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Speaker 1: can listen throughout the week. I want to think John

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Speaker 3: Until next time.