WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Joy-Ann Reid Talks 'The Joy Reid Show,' Media Mistrust, AI, Trump, Diddy, Epstein, + More 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:05.760 Every day a week ago up the Breakfast Club, finish 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:06.160 for y'all. 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:11.200 Done morning. Everybody's DJ Envy just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.040 we are the Breakfast Club. Lonla Roses here as well, 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:16.919 and we got a special guest today on her birthday. 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:19.360 Birthday, that's right about miss. 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.600 Joy and read welcome, thank you? Are you feeling this morning? 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:24.560 I'm feeling so good on my birthday because look, I 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.040 woke up looking fully made up and I just woke 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:28.760 up like this. I just woke up and I just 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:30.200 was fully made up and ready to go. 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:31.920 It's twenty five years. 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:38.400 Old, twenty I'm working today. You know, I'm type A. 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:40.720 So I'm like, I'm just gonna work like normal. But 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.360 last night we did like karaoke. We went out, we 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:44.720 did like live ving karaoke. 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:45.879 I got my. 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.280 Little shop on with my friends and it was fun. 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:50.400 So yet and I bet it was early too. You 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:51.960 ended like so back. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:56.160 Went to sleep at three o'clock this morning after a 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:57.720 little bit, you know, we hung out, so we were 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:58.960 outside like. 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.040 Meet me and Charlotte by none. 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:03.840 I'm a night per done. 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:05.600 I don't even start to really wake up to like 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:09.039 six pm. Really, I'm not a morning like this is 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:09.520 tough for me. 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:09.759 Morning. 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:11.959 You're not used to the morning radio mornings are tough. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.840 I'm a night person. I don't even get really going 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:16.520 until like six seven o'clock. Then I'm awake. 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:18.400 So that's why you do your show at night as well. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.520 Yeah, I mean night, that's literally when I kind of 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:23.000 come alive. I'm not Mornings are tough, like getting up, 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:24.320 I fight my way out of bed. I have to 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:25.399 fight my way out of that bed. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:27.520 And you're celebrating the six month birthday in your show too. 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:29.959 Yeah, so the birth So it's just interesting enough that 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.399 my birthday is today and the six month birthday of 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:33.440 the show is tomorrow. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:34.080 Wow. 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.720 Yeah, six months, and it feels like it's been longer, 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:37.880 but it's only been six months. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:39.840 What has been the six like out of six months? 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:41.560 What's the thing that you were most grateful for in 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:42.759 the journey of your show? 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.200 The support? Like, I mean, you know, because when you 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:49.040 leave like a sort of formal corporate media situation, you 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.000 have no idea whether people are, you know, we're really 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.400 interested in the station and following the station or following you. 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:56.680 And I'm just grateful for the love and support that 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.080 we've gotten not only the people who've been willing to 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:02.200 come on, but just the fact that people are like 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.960 responding to it. I'm beyond grateful. 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:06.120 How is it independence been? 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:10.200 Though? I love it, especially now because this corporate media world, 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.560 it's getting worse. It's getting harder for people to really 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.519 kind of express themselves and be yourself, and I feel 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:19.160 like it's not going in a good direction, you know. 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.160 And so I'm just grateful to be free to do 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:23.960 what I do, say what I want to say, and 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.520 not worry about like a corporate overseer. I feel good. 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:27.560 Do you think they're attacks? 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:28.440 One? 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:28.840 Last one? 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:30.359 Do you think the attacks increased? 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.120 Because I noticed, especially with a lot of independent people, 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:37.400 I see like independent gets attacked a lot more than 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.600 what I've usually seen. And have you seen that for 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:40.320 yourself as well? 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.840 I think independent gets attacked a lot more because people 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.919 realize the effectiveness of it. I think once you know, 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:50.120 Trump was helped so much by outside of corporate media, 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.160 like he was really helped by podcast, he was really 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.839 helped by independent media, some of whom people most people 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.440 had never heard of unless you are in that world. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:02:59.880 And I think once people realize the power of that 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:01.680 now the focus is on it, you know what I mean, 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.160 like the the eyes are on it now, so you know, 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.120 but as far as a tax against me, it's just 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.760 I mean, I can say I love puppies, and you know, 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:10.880 jd Vance will be like, you're not grateful enough. 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:11.240 You know. 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:17.720 If Netflix absorbs Warner Brothers, right, what did that level 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:21.280 of media consolidation mean for journalism, especially for a network 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:21.840 like seeing It. 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:25.760 I'm actually glad CNN's not in the deal because so 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:27.400 what they did, they're kind of doing the same thing 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.800 they did with when Comcasts spun off MS the Artist 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:34.120 formerly known as MSNBC. They separated them out and they 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.440 put them in their own company and they called it 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:38.360 spin Co, which is a bad name for a media company, 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:39.720 but they called it Spinco for a while and then 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.240 verse yone or whatever, and now it's miss now they've 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:44.680 switched it up. They did this, they're doing the same 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.119 with CNN. So CNN is not in the deal, which 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.680 I think is good because that size of a corporation 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.760 I'm not sure has the right level of accountability to 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.000 the people, and I worried about that a little bit, 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:56.920 but it's not in the deal. 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:57.200 Now. 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.680 The question is who buys CNN and who absorbs it, 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.560 and that is still an open question that could be 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:04.120 bad news. 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.360 Yeah, because I thought I saw something with Trump said 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.640 he had a list of seeing any ankles he wanted fired. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.440 Yeah, and I mean, look at this point, he's in 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:15.800 a way dictating what sky Dance does. He's dictating their 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.840 editorial content. I mean, how is the editorial content of 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:23.279 like the Tiffany network, that Walter Cronkite network being dictated 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.440 out of the White House. That's already happening. If CNN 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.839 falls into the hands of another of his cronies, he's 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.719 gonna dictate what's on CNN. Like we're going in a 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:33.320 bad direction. 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:35.800 He says, He's gonna be real involved in the approval 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:37.200 of this Netflix deal. 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.359 Yes, and the Netflix president had to go have a 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.320 personal conversation with Trump to get him to approve the 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:46.920 deal because the Ellisons were also wanting to buy Warner 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.960 and they were add and they're still lobbying to try 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.240 to undo that deal so they can buy it. It's like, 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.200 in the end, we're gonna have like five media companies. 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.159 They're gonna own everything and own everything from social media 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.760 to regular media. This is not good because the public 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:01.400 is not going to have anywhere to go. It's going 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.839 to be like back in the day there were three networks. 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.040 There'll be three networks again, but they'll all be in 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:07.000 lined with the government. 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:11.360 So it's yeah, besides the government piece, right, I feel 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:12.720 like it's always difficult. 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.920 To tell somebody what they can buy and what they can't. 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:16.599 But how does that sit with you? 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:16.880 Right? 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.240 Take the government piece out right with Trump? Because Trump 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:20.480 could be like, I'll approve this deal, but you got 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:22.240 to fire this person, this person, this person. Right, So 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.640 outside of that is it's hard to tell a me 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:26.480 like a person what they can buy and what they 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:27.520 can't buy, don't you think though? 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.000 But I think it depends because in the case of media, 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.320 it's it's serving a public interest, right. And so if 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.880 let's say everyone who buys a media company and saying, yeah, 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:38.800 you can buy whatever you want. But then if it's 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:43.000 all giving you only one one perspective, one size, and 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.360 you can't get another perspective, there's nowhere else to go. 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.200 So now you're locked in. You get this one perspective 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.640 that just happens to be the same perspective as the 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.200 President of the United States. And now we're North Korea, 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.120 because where can you get any alternative view? That's what 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.240 That's what Victor Orbon did in Hungary. Basically all of 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.479 the media is his perspective and only his perspective, and 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.400 you can't get an alternative. That's a dangerous place, especially 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:07.840 in this country. As diverse as this country is, how 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:09.760 many views there are in the world, we should be 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.000 able to get a variety of it. And for now, 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.320 independent media is where you can go and get the alternative. 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.359 As long as that stays free and clear, then I 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.839 guess we're good. But I don't think it's good for 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.320 democracy for all of the major media companies to all 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:28.200 line up and fall on their knees for the president. 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:29.000 It's not a good look. 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.080 So you have to have like a Fox that's right. 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.640 Then you have to have an MSNBC that has a 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:36.800 liberal Yeah, plant CNN is trying to play it down 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:37.680 in the middle of nowadays. 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:38.560 But you got variety. 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:40.480 At least you have a variety of a choice. You 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:42.320 can choose your own adventure. But I mean, if they're 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.479 all aligned and they're all deciding they're going to serve 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.040 the king, yeah, then we're stuck. 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.120 That's why it's kind of crazy to hear him talk 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.479 about like he's nervous that Netflix will have like a 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.839 monopoly because if he is able to control certain things, 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:57.760 he and Donald Trump, it's almost like this is his 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.039 monopoly on the media. 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:00.640 So exactly, such a. 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:02.680 I feel like he just said that because you know, 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:03.760 you got to get his tribute. 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:11.520 Yeah, exactly, And I just assume he's getting paid off everything. 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.440 He's like a my boss. It's like, what is his cut? 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:16.440 You know? That's all? I think. That's all then to go. 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:18.520 It's like all these pardons are like that. It's like 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.680 when you see these you know, fraudsters getting pardoned, then 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:23.760 you found out they wrote a check to these friends 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.320 of Trump and they're all right in checks. He's selling 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.360 pardons out of the White House. This is crazy, but 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:30.800 the Supreme Court that he could do it, so he's 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:31.360 gonna do it. 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.840 What do you see like America looking like at the 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:36.560 end of his vollyear turn though, what do. 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.640 You think a mess? Like a whole mess? Because the 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:43.120 thing is, if they are robbing the treasury to enrich 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.560 him and enrich his friends and enrich this small set 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.840 of billionaires and leaving nothing for everyone else. You end 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:53.440 up with a crab economy, people struggling, a lot, more poverty, 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.360 a lot more hunger or want, and that's, you know, 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.320 that's the seeds of revolution. You don't want to really 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.680 make a lot of people poor while you're making a 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.280 handful of people rich like that generally doesn't go well 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.720 for either the rich or the poor. So it doesn't 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:10.440 look good. I think we're going toward Hungary, Russia, that 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.240 kind of a country, and that's not what we want 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:13.440 to be. 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:17.360 And then how long is the undo of everything for 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.920 the next person is Yeah, damn. I can't imagine the 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.280 job of the next president to have to fix this mess, 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.280 because this is a mess like he's going to lead. 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.040 I mean, I'm assuming twenty twenty six we end up 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:29.600 in a recession. I'm just assuming that. 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:31.920 And I think people should brace themselves for the economy 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.000 to get really bad, because when a small number of 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.120 people get rich and you don't expand the middle, and 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:41.560 when the bottom gets poorer, there's no way to sustain 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.440 an economy like that that anybody can really benefit from. 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.880 I mean, Trump is benefiting, his friends are benefiting who else. 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.640 It's not good, you know, I did last week. 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.600 I did the New York Times deal Book panel, and 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.199 one of the questions that they asked, actually the first 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.920 question they asked us, should we trust the media in twenty. 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:04.559 Twenty five, I trust it less and less. I definitely 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.040 don't trust anything that's happening at s Guidance, and I'm 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.280 sad about it, because, you know, I loved sixty Minutes. 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.240 I grew up watching Dan Rather, you know, like I 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.080 felt like, you know, I've worked at NBC, but I 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:19.240 felt like seeing you know, CBS was a strong, solid 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.800 news operation. I question it now when I see something 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.960 coming out of that network, I'm not sure I believe it. 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.199 I'm not sure I wholly trust it. And I think 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:32.280 their editorial decisions now are political, whereas I think it 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.280 was a lie that they were political before. I think 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.240 that the right just didn't like what they were saying, 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.960 but I don't think they were political. I briefly worked 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.679 at CBS and stands and practices they were not political, 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:44.960 But I think they are now, and that's not good. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:46.960 I don't necessarily trust it now. 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.560 I think with everything that's happening, like you're talking about 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.360 the independent media, like the new ring of media, there's 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.080 gonna be a lot more of that. But like what 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.680 I always think about is like when you work on television, 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:58.480 you know, you have like FCC and all these like 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:02.880 governing with independent media, there isn't that, So something will have. 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:03.480 To rise up. 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.160 And who's gonna like will that be Trump to figuring 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.080 that out? Like what is that governing body that's going 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:10.400 to rise up and rain over the independent media? 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.959 Because it will happen. Nothing goes unpoliced here. 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.280 Yeah, And I don't know what that could possibly be 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.640 that you know, the independent media would even submit to. 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.319 And then the question is how long is independent media independent? 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.880 That's what I'm saying. No, we're one Elon Musk buying 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:26.440 YouTube away from that going, you know, we're one, you know, 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:30.440 David Ellison deciding he also would like to have control 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.680 of substack, you know what I mean? Like at some 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:36.000 point if it all consolidates, then we have nowhere to go. 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.560 We have no choices, and the regulating body is some 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.599 billionaire that's regulating it for their own self interest. So 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:42.360 I'm worried about that. 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.280 What do we do to regulate now? You know, because 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.040 there's a lot of YouTubers out there, a lot of 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.439 people that have their own shows that soon there are 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.920 no facts. Yeah, and the problem with suing is it's 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.720 easy to sue when you have money, but if you 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.040 don't have money, it's just money out of your pocket. 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:56.920 And a lot of these people, you know, they say 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:58.600 they have money, but then when you see and they 0:10:58.640 --> 0:10:59.880 live at home with their mom, or they live in 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.400 you know, they're renting, they don't have any money. 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:03.920 So it's suing for what you know. 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:05.960 So how do we regulate to make sure that what 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:07.760 people are really spewing the facts? 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.920 I mean, it's impossible, and I think people that are 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.240 the consumers of it, this is in a way what 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.920 they want. People want to hear their own opinion reflected 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:17.720 back to them, and that's what they're getting, you know. 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.240 I even think about the Candace Owen's saying, this lady 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.200 is out there way out on a limb with these 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.439 with this French president and his wife, like way out 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.880 on a limb, and she does not there's no regulating 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.920 body to stop her from saying it. So she's just 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.560 saying it and digging herself deeper and deeper. At a 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.319 certain point she's gonna get, you know, it's going to 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:38.160 be financially impractical for her to continue to do this. 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.640 Can she continue to afford to fight the president of France? 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.080 But long is that she wanted this to happen this 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.360 way because if it gets to like a court or whatever, 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:50.559 you'll have to certain things about to be laid out 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.120 on the table. And she thinks that's where the truth 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.040 that supports what she's saying will come out. 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:55.800 Does she really think that or is this just like 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:57.839 a money making Yeah? And the thing is, even if 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.960 they do prove what she's saying, why. 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:08.960 What is this that what she's saying is true? 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.400 Is it a crime or friends? You know? It's all 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.360 for clicks. And that's the thing that does scare me 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.360 is that some of the content isn't for truth or fact. 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.840 It's just for clicks. It's just for attention. And the 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.520 attention economy is the economy, and the way that she 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.240 makes money is that she just gets attention to her content. 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.040 And that's a bad incentive. It's a bad incentive for 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.760 the truth. It's a bad incentive if you care about facts. 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:31.920 None of these things are good, Like none of the 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.200 incentives are good right now, that's all bad. 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.440 That in ai right like I seen the video trending 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:40.800 this weekend. Uh, these NYPD cops were arresting Ice agency. Yes, 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.920 and it looks so real, but you know it couldn't happen. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.040 So it was like it was trending and people are 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.000 leaving comments. Yeah, that's what more cops need to do it. 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.240 I'm like, this is AI, guys, Like it's hard to 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.560 see the real in AI. You can't tell. 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.480 You can't tell what is the music artist that's like 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:00.880 it's a gospel artist that's like number one on the 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:02.880 gospel charts, but it's not a human. 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.800 About this. 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:09.760 She does like R and B as well, but they've 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:11.640 been saying her voice is like annoints. 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:16.040 It and she's like an AI, I don't want to 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.560 hear it, like like you know what I mean, Like 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.360 we don't even have real artists. We have, like you said, 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.400 you have things that people are people are like hanging 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.920 their hat on this. You know, Ice is gonna get 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:31.120 arrested by the NYPD thinking it's real and it looks 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.520 so real. Now when we get to elections next year, 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:35.760 how much that content is going to be real. We've 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.880 already had politicians used in fake AI, you know, commercials 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.400 and it's not them. They can make you say anything, 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.680 make you do anything, like it's very hard to tell. 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.760 It's very hard to tell. So now we all have 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.560 to be experts in figuring out whether the humans we 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:50.839 see on TV are humans. 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.960 Then they can use it another way too, like for 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:59.400 things that actually like that humans are actually doing, and 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.880 then they can use AI to cover it up. 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.880 To cover it up. You think about Hollywood, so many 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:08.559 artists are out of work because they can just replace 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:13.559 them with robots with AI. Like AI is eating up opportunity, 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:18.000 like it's eating up you know, people's professions. You know, 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.400 like my daughter's an artist. She won't even post on 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:24.520 Instagram because AI starts scraping all of your art and 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.600 all of a sudden, it's using it to create art 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.800 that has no human owner and no human creator. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:31.240 I saw. 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.480 I was at art Bozo this weekend. There was an 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:37.040 exhibition that was all AI. Like the guy gives his emotion. 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.160 He paints all these deceased people from his past, like 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.680 family members and stuff like that. They have machines strapped 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.760 to like these canvases, And I was like, who's giving 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:47.800 a direction? They said he put his emotions and stuff 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:50.720 into the tech product, whatever it is, and then AI 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:52.000 creates all the drawings. 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.240 How do you put your emotions into a machine? 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.280 I think oddly, I don't know, but I was like, 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.480 this is crazy, Like I was just watching it draw 0:14:58.480 --> 0:14:59.480 people's faces, like. 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:04.080 Like, so if voters can't tell was real anymore? Can 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.080 democracy even function in the age AI? 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.680 I don't know how. I'm concerned, Like you know what 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:10.560 I mean. I mean there, it's going to have to 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:12.000 we have to figure out a way for it to function. 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:13.880 We're too big of a country with too many people. 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:16.480 A revolution here would be horrendous and bloody. You know, 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.880 three hundred and fifty million Americans, and you know we 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:23.280 already have AI assisted and you know sort of machine 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:28.440 assisted deportation, Like you've got this surveillance company that nobody 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.560 knows anything about, that nobody had heard of it. Talent 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.120 here that's helping surveil us, Like we're being surveiled through 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:39.200 our phones. You now, we're already like past the tipping 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.680 point where we have mass surveillance so that they can 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.880 track and deport whoever they want. We have we have 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.840 masked people arresting people on our streets. Like we're already 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.800 so far gone that saving democracy is it's going to 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:55.640 be challenging. Even if you said AI aside, you know, 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:59.320 and so many things, we've gone so far backwards that 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.920 I worry that pulling us back is going to be hard, 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:06.400 when on top of it, the side that wants authoritarianism 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.600 has all of these very sophisticated systems and AI systems 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:15.400 to track us, to surveil us, to kind of lock 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.680 us out of democracy. And I'm concerned that it's going 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:19.680 to be hard to pull it back. 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:21.560 You use the word authoritarianism. 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:26.280 At what point do people stop calling certain political transpolarization, Yeah, 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.200 start calling them. 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.120 Fascism, you know what I mean? Yeah? And I think, 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:32.800 and this is one of the reasons I am glad 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:36.760 that I'm not in mainstream media. It's very difficult because 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.760 the governing authorities over you say, and the standards and 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.560 practices says, well, don't call that fascism, don't call that authoritarianism. 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.080 Just call it a difference of political opinion. It's a difference. 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.120 It's not a difference of opinion. It's fascism. And I 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.000 think more of us need to say it and just 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.120 get used to saying it, because you can't fight something 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.360 you can't name, you know, and if we're not naming 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.040 it authoritarianism in fact, which is what it is. And 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.800 they're not like subtle about it. They're being very clear. 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.240 They want this is a white supremacist government. That's saying, 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.760 if you are not a white Christian male, you are 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.720 just not welcome in any institution. You're not welcome in academia, 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.679 You're not welcome in the military. We you know, the 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.399 whole thing is, we're bombing boats in the Caribbean, Like, 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.040 what is this? And it's being normalized as if this 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.040 is a difference in politics. It's not. 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:24.679 I'm gonna tell why I get confused by it. 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:26.480 I do think that a lot of things that I 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:31.480 see are authoritarian strategy. But when I see somebody like 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.280 you know, President Biden say it's a threat to democracy, 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.600 but then he's outside the White House saying welcome home. 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:40.119 Or when I see you know, Zora Mundani call Donald 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.480 Trump a fascist, but then say I can work with 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:44.080 a fascist, I'm like, well, that's. 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.520 Not how I was taught. How fast I never fascism. 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:48.560 You can't work with a fascist like that's never worked 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:49.600 in the history of mankind. 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:51.600 So sometimes we say these words. 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:55.320 But when we don't act upon these words, it kind 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.160 of takes the meaning out of these words, I think. 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.920 And I think politics makes it difficult to fight fascism 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:01.879 because you do actually have to deal still with the 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.480 president like he's still the president unfortunately, you know, but 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:07.560 I think you there's certain things that I think are 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.639 I feel like Biden, what he did was worse, to 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:14.120 be honest, because Biden spent an entire campaign telling us 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.560 that Donald Trump was a threat to democracy, that Donald 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:18.680 Trump was it, and then he right, the welcome home 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.600 thing was insane. You know, even Obama he can with 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:24.520 him at the funeral like this is a normal guy 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:26.719 who wants to arrest you, by the way, you know. 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:30.919 I don't, Yeah, I think that because the politicians, particularly 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.919 at that the older policy, I don't think they understand. 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.720 I don't think they really think it's fascism authoritarism. I 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:38.480 think they think it is different in politics. That's what 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:39.000 I worry about. 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.720 That's how I feel about Mundanie too, because I feel 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.600 like if you if you use those words while you're campaigning, 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.280 like when you get in the when you know, get 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.040 in ther you become the elected official and become mayor. 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.000 I understand, I understand you have to work with him. 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.359 Yeah, so maybe you shouldn't use that kind of language 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.000 if you're going to tell us you can work with 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:55.600 a fascist. 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:57.040 But that's not how fascism work. 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.080 What I'll give him credit for though, when he was 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.120 point blank as even in his presence, is he a fascist? 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.000 He was like yeah. He was like yeah. He was 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:06.320 asked the press. 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:07.359 After he got a little pat and he was like, 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:08.359 it's okay to call me that. 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:10.360 He's right. He wouldn't even let him finish his sentence 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:11.920 because Trump was like, he fell in love with mom, 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:13.520 Donnie in that moment. I'm not sure what happened. I 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:15.119 really want to know what he said to him in 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.280 the room, because Trump seemed to fall in love with him. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:18.960 But when he was on Meet the Press was either 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:20.720 Meet the Press or CBS. This morning, I was on 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:22.200 Meet the President. He was asked, point blank, is he 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:23.120 a fascist? He's like yeah. 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:24.880 But that's when he said you could work with him, 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.760 And that's why I got confused. I was like, since 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.000 I've never seen somebody work with a fascist in history 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:32.520 of mankind, and. 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:36.320 You know that's actually how you normalize. 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:37.880 Me, right, Well, I mean, the reality is the one 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:39.359 time that you could say, well, I don't know if 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.680 you would call him a FASTI he was definitely an authoritarian, 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.399 was Stylin, And I mean FDR worked with Stalin. I 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:49.439 mean you had khrush Chef worked with Kennedy. I mean, unfortunately, 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.040 when you have a regime, you've got to deal with 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:53.840 the regime. And I think if you're the mayor of 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:55.560 New York City, you got to deal with the President 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:57.760 of United States. There's no getting around it. And so 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:01.040 if you have an in the interest of your citizens, 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.879 you're unfortunately gonna have to deal with this man. You 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:06.840 have to deal with this president. The immigration issue alone 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.240 is going to send him in a collision course with 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.720 the White House. So I kind of understand what he's saying, 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:14.560 he has to work with Biden was on his way out. 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:15.560 He didn't have to work with Trump. 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:16.240 There's no there. 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.880 No presidents don't work with each other. You're literally handing 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.080 over power to somebody. You're saying is dangerous, Mam, Donnie's 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:26.160 not handing power over to Trump. He has to work 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:29.400 with Trump. That's actually just a fact with when Biden 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:33.680 did it to me, it was unnecessary that that kind 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:37.600 of comity, that kind of like friendliness between two presidents 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.239 was completely unnecessary. You are out of power, you on 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.800 your way out, stand strong on what you said during 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:44.399 the campaign. There was no need for you to be 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.800 generous to him. In the case of Mam Donnie, it's 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.000 slightly different because you're coming into power and you do 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.080 have to deal with that man. You have no choice. 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:52.919 I agree, But how do you ring the alarm that 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:56.440 this is something different and not just a difference in politics. 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:59.120 Yeah, and that's why you're using words like fashion. Yeah, 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:01.439 and he's gonna have to do that in power, like 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:04.680 he's gonna have to particularly on the I mean now 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:09.280 that Trump has deleted all Haitian Americans TPS, no more 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:13.159 temporary protected status for anybody Haitian, like gone right, what 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.199 they're doing to Venezuelan's And there's a lot in this city. 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:18.879 So he now is going to be frontline trying to 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:22.960 deal with fighting literal fascism and authoritarianism at his doorstep. 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:24.800 And so yeah, the question is going to be does 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:26.760 he do it with that rhetoric and keep that rhetoric 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:28.840 up or does he just fight it. I don't even 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:30.280 think it matters what he says. At this point, he's 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:33.760 gonna have to fight it. We cannot have this country 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:39.080 become one giant kidnapping site where where this regime is 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:41.080 allowed to just kidnap people at will. Like that has 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:43.399 to stop, and somebody has to stand up to on 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:46.159 the you know, New York City happens to be, you know, 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:50.080 the financial capital of the United States, and somebody has 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:52.360 to put their foot down. And I'm hoping, I'm Donnie Will. 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:56.159 Do you think the public fully understands how much executive 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:59.440 power Trump is wilding or are we sleepwalking into something 0:21:59.480 --> 0:21:59.960 you're reversal. 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:02.359 I think we're sleepwalking because you know what, I don't 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:06.720 think people understood the powers of the presidency and that 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:13.800 it was only constrained by the kind of belief in 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:17.000 the system of other presidents. Like Trump is just stealing 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:20.359 power that no one anticipated the president would have because 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.920 he's just doing it. And it makes me think, well, damn, 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:25.280 the Democrats were in there, they could have done a 0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:29.520 lot more shit. Who knew because who's gonna stop you, Like, 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.320 who's gonna stop him? Nobody? And so if now we 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:35.480 realize the presidents he could be this powerful, it kind 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:38.960 of makes me wish that previous presidents had actually used 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:41.879 more power for good for good, Yeah yeah, because this 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:45.040 dude is just stealing powers that were not even anticipated. 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:48.280 I mean, and the Supreme Court is rubber stamping at all. 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.680 So it's like, oh shit, it turns out Obama shit 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:54.240 had just like made put thirteen seats on the Supreme 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:59.760 Court and you know put you know, I mean, I 0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:01.800 just I wonder what we could have done had previous 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:03.199 presidents realize how much power they can. 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:05.560 If another Democrat goes in office, do you think another 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:09.359 Democratic president will use his power they have to? Do 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:10.840 you think that they will or do you think they will? 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:12.959 I don't want to go against what the constitutions. 0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:15.760 Unfortunately, I think it's that I think so too. I 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:19.040 don't think democrats believe and use I think they're afraid 0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:21.760 to will power the way that Trump is willed in power. 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:24.760 They think that he is he is outside the norm 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:26.400 and they're gonna want to bring it back to the norm. 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.560 That's how we ended up with Merrick Garland, who did 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:30.680 nothing for four years. 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:32.320 Even Biden on the way out like if I'm on 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:35.520 my way out, nah, I'm gonna pardon everybody that needs 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:37.080 to be part and I'm gonna make sure everybody was 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:37.720 what you're gonna. 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:38.199 Do, what you're gonna do. 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:39.680 Hate me anyway, you hate me anyway, you. 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:41.280 Hate me anyway. And it's like he parted. He did 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:43.960 a select few pardons. There's so much more he could 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:46.480 have done on his way out, but instead he's trying 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:48.919 to welcome home the next president. I don't want to 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:51.840 go too far, you know. Even so, yeah, I worry 0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:56.639 that democrats, just small sea constitutionally are not built to 0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:57.960 do what they need to do when they come. 0:23:58.000 --> 0:23:59.680 Now, you said a name, just now, I'm sorry you 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:02.240 said it. And this person needs a lot more smoke 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:03.760 than he ever gets. And that's Merygarland. 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:04.640 Oh my god. 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:07.960 Like I don't know why Marrigarland escapes the smoke. 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:10.720 I don't understand why he escapes the smoke. Even the 0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:13.639 Epstein files thing, I'm like, wait a minute, you tell me. 0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:20.400 Nine months into this administration, the podcast guys are claiming 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:21.200 they caught the mind. 0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:21.320 Now. 0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:23.440 I don't know if this young man is the person 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:25.040 that put the pipe bombs in these I don't know, 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:27.080 but I know they said we solved the case in 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:30.639 nine months. Mary Garland was there for four years? What 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:34.920 were you doing the Epstein files? Merrick, what were you 0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:38.840 doing for four years? You had the same evidence, the 0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:42.480 same files. Why did you release them? Like there's there's 0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:46.080 He took a year and a half to even start 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:50.159 investigating Trump. For January he did an insurrection, and he's like, 0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:52.720 let me start at the bottom. I'm going to arrest 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:55.600 the cab driver who drove down to be in the insurrection, 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:57.600 and I'll work my way up to the one to 0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:00.159 own the beauty salon, and then I'll work my way. 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:01.560 It took him a year and a half to get 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:04.520 the Trump. This man had classified doctors at his house 0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:07.639 for eighteen months while they were begging, please, will you 0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:11.280 bring him back? Asked nicely, bring him back, Mary? Garland 0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:14.119 did to me nothing for four years. He might as 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:14.880 well not have been there. 0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:16.880 And when President Biden left the White House, he said 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:19.120 he should have hired a different attorney general that would 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:20.680 have went after Trump a lot sooner. 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:23.320 I'm like, well, Dad, why did you fire them there? 0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:25.960 Exactly why did you fire them? I mean between that 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:28.560 and sitting there while the genocide happened under your watch, 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:32.160 And I mean that by knowns that. So I think 0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:35.640 about that Biden presidency as just one four year lost opportunity. 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:37.959 Love the infrastructure bill, but other than that, it's like, 0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:40.600 what did you do with your time? While Trump is 0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:44.360 running rough shot over the Constitution, he sat there, Yeah, 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:47.320 I need sixty votes to get anything done. It does 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:48.720 make it. And I remember you used to say this 0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:52.120 during the time. It's like, it's frustrating when Democrats say 0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:54.159 I can't And I was even one who say, you know, 0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:55.919 they don't have sixty votes in the Senate. But now 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:59.399 I'm realizing they didn't need him. They literally could have 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:01.160 just don I mean, who knew. 0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:02.639 I don't think a lot of people didn't know. 0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:04.439 We had Congressman not Green here and we asked him like, 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:07.440 did you know a president could wild this much power beforehand? 0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:11.359 And he was like, no, I'm a lawyer. So Congress 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:12.639 now Green don't know how we fosed to know. 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:14.840 We didn't know. I mean, and I thought it was 0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:17.760 pretty conversion in the Constitution. But Trump, I mean, we 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:20.840 thought the emolument's clause was real. Wasn't real. You know, 0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:23.320 you can sell Brock, you can sell pardons who knew 0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:27.000 like they're literally he's doing everything you think would be 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:30.240 a criminal offense in the White House with the Supreme 0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:33.600 Court of the United States literally rubber stamping it. So 0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:35.560 I guess if you're a Republican, you can do it. 0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:37.159 Well, maybe this stuff is a crime, but just the 0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:39.320 Supreme Court gave him that presidential immunity. 0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:40.960 Because they're Republicans and they want Republicans to win. 0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:44.520 Yeah, So I wonder if before the presidential see this 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:45.719 is great, this is the fact that we're even having 0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.240 this conversation. I wonder if before the presidential immunity was 0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:49.280 just stuff for legal. 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:51.720 It had to have been illegal. But I think, I mean, 0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:55.320 I only think it's being allowed because they're Republicans and 0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:57.440 he's a Republican, and genre if you know anything about 0:26:57.480 --> 0:27:00.680 John Roberts, you know he's a Republican first and foremost. 0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:03.000 He does not believe in the Voting Rights Act, never 0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:05.720 has and these are the outcomes he wants. They want 0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:08.560 a king. They're monarchists. They don't believe in democracy. They 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:10.639 want a monarchy. They just want it to be a 0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:13.679 Republican monarchy. Because I promise if a Democrat was doing this, 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:14.960 they would say none of that's legal. 0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:16.320 But they want that. 0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:18.080 But do they want that person to be Trump, because 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:19.720 I feel like there's certain things that he does that 0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:23.119 even on the Republican side, they're like, mmm, hold up, wait, 0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:27.159 Like I think they want the time, like the the 0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:30.280 overall control of what you're talking about. But I don't 0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:32.520 know if they really want it to be like Trump, 0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:34.280 like I know charlae Is talked about that before, like 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:36.159 them trying to move him out the way and kind 0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:37.199 of take back and get back to now. 0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:41.080 I think to be he's the perfect. He is a 0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.040 use he is the perfect useful idiot for people like 0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:47.120 the Project twenty twenty five authors. He's ideal, Like he's 0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:50.040 even better than Bush because you want somebody it's not 0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:55.919 too smart necessarily, but that beguiles the base. The base 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:59.520 loves Trump. He does there's something about him that they 0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:02.840 just love. Style. They love they love the way he talks, 0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:05.920 the way he does his you know, geriatric dance. They 0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:08.880 love it. They love it. And because the base loves it, 0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.199 you can slide a lot of stuff past them that 0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:14.320 hurt them. You can hurt these people and they'll love it. 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:16.320 They'll thank you for it because they like him. So 0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.240 he's perfect. And Bush was like that like people are like, man, 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:22.480 Bush is dumb. That was perfect because the right wanted 0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:24.879 to do massive tax because they wanted to do surveillance. 0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:27.240 They started that surveillance under him. They wanted to do 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.879 foreign wars for money, you know, wars for oil. They 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:32.720 wanted to do. Bush is the perfect foil because he's 0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:36.919 just a goof that. Americans on the right loved Trump 0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:39.840 is that times ten plus a celebrity. So I think 0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:42.240 they loved and they'll keep Trump around as long as 0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:44.960 they can. They might weakend it, bernies him to keep 0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:49.440 him around because he's the perfect useful idiot basically for 0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:52.800 what they want. The base loves it. And so you 0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:54.959 can think about what you're sliding past these people. You're 0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:58.200 taking their cattle farms and making them bankrupt. You slide 0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:03.320 in tariffs that make everything expensive. You're destroying people economically, 0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:05.880 and they're thanking you for it because they love Trump. 0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:10.040 So I think they want Trump forever if they could 0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:11.360 keep them. What do you? 0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:11.760 What do you? 0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:14.400 I'm switching talking about Want to talk about Puffy for 0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:23.640 a second. Oh my god, exhausting. 0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:24.960 We talk about that all day. 0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:30.720 I used to call Trump the Puffy of politics for years. 0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:32.360 I would call him the Puffy of politics, and nobody 0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:35.040 ever should understood why they're the same person. 0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:37.880 Damn, if you think about it, I can see what 0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:40.520 you mean by that, like the arrogance, the. 0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:44.880 Arrogance, and then they don't have a specific talent. Their 0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:48.640 talent is using the people with talent to get what 0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:54.280 they want, right, Like Puffy is not a producer, He's not. No, 0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:58.080 he hires producers, doesn't pay them, makes him sign N 0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:00.880 d a's, but he takes the crew and then he 0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:02.600 goes on and says I like that on the song. 0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:03.840 And now he's also the artist. 0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:05.719 So what is all this with him and the you 0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:09.560 know he we've seen him like direct people how to 0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:11.320 do this, how to sing it this way and that, 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:14.080 you know, just how it sounds phonetically and how it's coming. 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:15.280 Like that's not a producer. 0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:17.200 Yeah, I think I think the Puffy not having no 0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:20.080 talent thing is kind of a little scratch. So we've 0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:22.080 seen him pick songs and be like, yo, I want 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:23.640 to turn this into such and such record. 0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:26.720 I know he's a marketing genius, so is Trump? Like 0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:29.720 that's something they're the same person. They're both marketing genius. 0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:32.760 He's saying he's not pushing the button instead like he's okay. 0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:35.280 Producer, right, you know what I mean, Like he's not 0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:38.360 like a rapper, but he craved to be the talent. 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.280 But he really is the marketer. But it's like when 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.960 the marketer wants to be the product and he fought 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:46.400 to me to the death of a lot of people 0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:48.520 to get to be the talent when he's actually the 0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:50.360 marketer and he's a genius at that. I'm gonna give 0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:53.320 him credit for that, but it's in terms of it's 0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:56.920 like he had this great envy of the talented artist 0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:59.880 that he saw around him, you know, especially Tupac, and 0:30:59.920 --> 0:31:03.520 he wanted to be Tupac, like beloved like Tupac, Talented 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:06.320 like Tupac. He wanted to be Biggie instead of just 0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:09.640 market Biggie. And it's like he fought his way through 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:12.760 a lot of dead bodies to be the artist. It's 0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:16.000 so tragic on so many levels. And it's I mean, 0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:17.640 it was brilliantly done. 0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:19.440 It was great, and I mean he is he is 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:21.880 an executive, like he was able to find talent, put 0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.280 talent together and make those but as far as being 0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:26.720 an actual producer, someone who sits there plugs in the 0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:28.760 keyboard and none that wasn't he never said anything. 0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:32.360 What do you think it says about America that a 0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:35.120 documentary about Diddy and even even black culture to that 0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:37.800 that can dominate Netflix at a moment when like black 0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:40.880 history is being restricted in school. I just saw Trump 0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:43.400 get rid of Martin Luther King Jr. And Junior teenth 0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:46.440 at Parks and replace it with like. 0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:49.080 It's so amazing to me because I've been noticing when 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:52.479 I've been scrolling through Netflix, it's a lot of content 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:54.840 that's not black, you know, and it's like that it's 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:58.040 all all white cats and everything. But the number one 0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.960 thing on there is this documentar about this black man 0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:03.360 in other countries to not just here, not just here. 0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:07.160 So it's like they don't want, they don't want us 0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:11.400 to be centered, but we're still centered because black folks 0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:16.720 make culture, like American culture without black people is just stale, 0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:20.160 like secondary European culture, you know, And so they want 0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:22.040 they don't maybe they don't want us, but they need 0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:25.720 us because look at this thing dominating. It's amazing and 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:27.520 it's a fascinating, well done story. 0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:31.280 It was that cultural power ever translating the political power, 0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:31.840 do you think. 0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:34.640 I hope so. I hope so, But I think we 0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:37.040 actually have to think differently too, you know what I mean. Like, 0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:40.680 I love Magic Johnson, but you know, you know, it's 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:44.120 great to shop for kids for Christmas. But did it 0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:46.880 have to be Target? You know, in a moment when 0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:50.640 we're trying to stand up for our dignity against companies 0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:55.240 like Target that don't respect us. It's disappointing, you know 0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:57.280 that he would lean into Target in this moment, you 0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:57.640 know what I mean? 0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:01.000 Yeah, bring whatever. 0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:04.200 So his foundation they do a thing where they shop 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:07.239 for holiday gifts for kids, which is wonderful and it's 0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:08.720 great that they do that, and they've been doing it 0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.040 for a few I mean probably a few years, but 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:13.920 it's with Target, and so in this moment, it's like, Ooh, 0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:16.600 does it have to be with Target specifically? And maybe 0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:18.719 they just had a multi year deal. I have no idea, 0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:21.840 but it's just we're not unified enough to turn it 0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:23.840 into political power. I think we're not on the same 0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:27.120 page enough. You know, if we could marshal one trillion 0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:30.120 plus dollars in economic power, and we were together and 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:32.680 we had a plan, we would be unstoppable. But I 0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.200 just don't think we're there. I wish we were. I 0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:36.280 would love us to be there. 0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:38.840 So do you think because there's been a debate about 0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:41.080 if fifty cent is wrong for being a part of 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:43.760 the doc as a black man, do you think that's 0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:44.440 wrong or right? 0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:48.840 I think it's wrong what Puffy allegedly did. I think 0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:52.840 the things he did allegedly were horrific, and I think 0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:54.560 those things had to come out. It didn't help us 0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:57.040 to like hide what we knew about r Kelly, you 0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:58.360 know what I mean? Who did that help? It just 0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:00.920 hurt little young girls and so you know, it didn't 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:02.400 help for on the other side people to hide with 0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:04.680 they knew about Epstein and m and let them roll. 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:07.600 So I think we have to expose the things in 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:11.000 our even in our culture, that are hurting us. That 0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:14.319 wasn't helping anybody. Where's Mace's money, you know? But Create 0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:16.040 mag died with no money? Like that's not right. 0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:17.920 But let me ask you a questions. I agree with you. 0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:20.120 I think that you should expose. I think people should 0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:23.000 see my question. And I think this was the hardest 0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:25.279 thing for me, right and people whatever, they call me 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:28.360 a glazer for Diddy, but it's not true. My problem 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:32.160 was what he was convicted of. But he was found 0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:35.279 guilty of the time that he got. Is that too 0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:38.839 much because he was hiring a prostitute? Well allegedly, right, 0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:42.040 But usually the prostitute gets time and the pimp gets time, 0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:44.319 and the john usually gets a slap on the risk 0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:46.120 community service and they have to go to some course 0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:50.080 for whatever sex whatever. But in this case, it seems 0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:53.560 like the crime, I guess the time doesn't fit the crime. 0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:57.279 So I think the same and want I want to 0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:01.480 say it's the same exact he was convicted of the 0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:04.520 same thing Epstein was, you know what I mean, Like, 0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:07.520 I think they used I believe in both cases it 0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:09.920 was man that kind of Epstein wasn't convicted of the 0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:14.200 man at Epstein was convicted of basically soliciting, and so 0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:17.919 was Puffy versions of that, right, And I think those 0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:20.920 cases were mischarged. In both of those cases. I think 0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:24.520 the prosecutors failed the victims. In both of those cases. 0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:27.440 Epstein should have not been convicted of some sort of 0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:30.680 solicitation of prostitution. Those girls weren't prostitutes. They were children, 0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:33.040 you know, they were kids, but they were like they 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:35.879 were sort of portrayed as prostitutes, was. 0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:38.000 Charged with sex trafficking of miners. 0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:40.160 Sex trafficking, but he was charged of sex traffic of 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:43.000 miners the second time federally in Florida when he was 0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:47.320 actually convicted, he was convicted of a basically a solicitation charge. 0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:50.120 Then he was federally charged with trafficking and never you know, 0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:52.759 obviously because he never made it to trial. But you know, 0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:55.640 that was his original conviction, and then Puffy's conviction here 0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:58.840 what he was they almost overcharged it and undercharged it, 0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:00.520 you know what I mean. They were never gonna prove 0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:03.080 Rico like that just didn't seem like they could prove that. 0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:06.680 But I also think they failed. There were real victims here, 0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:08.600 and I just think I don't think they charged with 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:10.600 the right things. I don't think it makes Puffy innocent, 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:12.840 because I don't. 0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:14.520 Think he was innocent, but it just it seems like 0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:17.000 for what he was charged with, what he was found 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:20.560 guilty of, it seems a lot worse than what he's 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:24.280 doing time for he got off. 0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:27.640 For me watching The Doctor, I'm like, uh, well, I 0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:31.359 kind of felt that way before I watched the documentary, 0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:34.440 and then the way that Emmy feels and then after 0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:36.480 watching I'm like, man, this nigga skating. 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:40.520 Then like it's really decades, this is a time out. 0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:46.040 Everything is true in this documentary documentary. It's like, Yo, 0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:49.080 you still kind of like God, favorite is what it 0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:50.600 seemed like you're not getting. 0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:51.799 No, no God. 0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:57.319 But then you get what I'm saying though, It's like 0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:00.680 it's only a very few that you know what I'm saying. 0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:04.880 That's why I say he's trong, right, And I'm like 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:07.719 the just the tupocket biggie parts of it, if he 0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:10.719 was in any way involved and somebody there's a og 0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:13.480 fan of both to iamb I mean, and I always 0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:16.319 felt a funny about him and the way they were 0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:18.799 pushing that East coast West coast because the West Coast 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.040 artists were really not trying to be a part of that. 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:23.680 They were really trying to pull back from it, you know. 0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:25.760 I mean, say what you want about Snoop, but Snoop 0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:27.319 was trying to pull back from it, like they were 0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:29.640 not trying to lean into the East coast West coast, 0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:33.440 but Puffy was and was benefiting from it again marketing genius. 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:35.959 They were using it for marketing, and in that month 0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:38.000 I don't know if y'all remember that time. It was ugly, 0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:43.520 but it wasn't two sided, And so I had an 0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:45.960 issue with him even from then because of that. And 0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:48.239 I didn't even know who he was until that stampede. 0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.799 That's how I found out who Puffy was. So I 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:52.719 was never a fan only because I was like, that 0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:55.520 was crazy. I forgot it was nine people that died. 0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:58.080 So you just add up all of the pain he 0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:01.240 has caused. I think he got off easy. I'm sorry, 0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:06.000 dragging Cassie across the floor like a rag doll, beating 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:09.040 her up. I'm like, they just charged them wrong. 0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:13.799 What should his charges? What should they have been? 0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:17.799 Assault? Battery? You know? I mean, like they didn't charge 0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:19.879 anything like that, So they didn't give the jury enough 0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:23.960 to convict them on, Like was there some in California? 0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:26.160 So there you go, there you go. I don't know 0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:27.680 what you could have charged them with. I don't know, 0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:30.160 but I don't think Rico was going to work like 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.480 I don't think they had that. But I think he 0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:35.560 got off easy based on with you, based on just 0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:39.320 if everything in that dock is true, he got a license. 0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:43.360 You think politicians need that type of spectacle moving forward 0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:45.399 in order just to cut through. 0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.640 Yeah, the attention economy thing is real, Like it's real, 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:52.560 Like Americans have been trained on a certain kind of 0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:56.239 attention and they lose their very short attention spans and 0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:59.040 people can't pay attention to stuff. Although I'm surprised, Like 0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:01.120 we do a two hour show and we used to 0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:02.759 be one hours, And I'm like, are people going to 0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:04.719 sit and listen to ours? And literally people will sit 0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:07.040 and listening to Like people actually have a longer attention 0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:09.520 span than we give him credit for, you know this show. 0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:11.040 You know what I mean. People will listen for a 0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:13.880 while if they're interested in what you're saying. So people 0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:17.640 can have a long attention span. But for politicians it's increased. 0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:21.399 From Kennedy on. They need celebrity. You know, Kennedy beats 0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:24.160 Nixon because he's a celebrity. I mean, he's a celebrity. 0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:27.400 He's young, he's good looking. The other guy's old and sweating. 0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:29.520 You know, you can't beat that, you can. And then 0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:31.919 Bill Clinton he's out there playing the SAgs of hoone 0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:35.440 like he's entertaining, and it just gets Ronald Reagan actor 0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:38.840 and it's like we keep on pushing the politicians. Obama, 0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:41.839 you know, Obama's out there sinking threes and you know 0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:44.080 he got you know, will I am making a song 0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:47.880 about his jugu listen, and it's like, now we've like 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:49.960 and then you get to Trump, who's like a literal 0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:53.200 celebrity who's from the Apprentice, and everybody's like, I know him, 0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:55.920 even though everything about the Apprentice was false, like he 0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:57.719 was broke when he did the Apprentice, but nobody knew 0:39:57.760 --> 0:39:59.000 to act like he was rich, and it's like, no, 0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:01.560 he was actually broke, so no one knew. It's just 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:04.360 and it's so artificial that I'm like, what are we 0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:06.200 going to have to do? Look what Gavin is doing. 0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:10.279 Gavin Newsom is like, got it, understand the assignment. I 0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:13.319 need to be entertaining. I need to be atroll because 0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:14.439 he knows that's the way to win. 0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:18.160 So have we fully crossed into spectacle politics where entertainment 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:19.480 value outruns policies? 0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:22.520 Unfortunately? I think so yeah, I don't know how we 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.120 go back. Can you imagine just like a normal nerdy, 0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:28.400 like smart politician winning. I can't imagine that Mam Donnie 0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:31.719 was entertaining as helf His ads were so entertaining, like 0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:35.080 you've got to be authentic and entertaining. That's what people need, 0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:35.960 that's what people want. 0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:39.400 How do right now in this moment, how does Mandani 0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:42.320 or whoever use what's happened in New York with Diddy 0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:47.160 to further whatever did he So he's locked up now, right, 0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:49.640 but there's gonna be conversations about if he gets in 0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:50.960 a pill, if he comes home. 0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:53.280 Is there a way that they use this moment. 0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:56.680 I'm donnie whoever politically to further what they have going on, 0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:58.480 because there are still a lot of people who feel like, 0:40:58.480 --> 0:40:59.920 did he wasn't charged the way he should have been. 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:02.080 There are people that feel like it's unfair that he 0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:03.319 even has an appeal. 0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:05.120 Conversation, which is his legal right, Like there's a lot 0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:05.760 of people still. 0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:08.080 Upset to do that. 0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:10.840 Well, this politician is in general like using this moment 0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:12.760 because it's so big, like. 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:16.080 Trump, and I'm just assuming he's he's already writing that check. 0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:19.440 Like when Mayor Adams took the keyback, people were pissed. 0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:21.479 They're like, he took too long to do that, and 0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:23.280 if he had moved faster, it would have made a difference. 0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:25.000 Like I guess I'm just asking in general, how do 0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:26.799 you capitalize off a moment like this if we need 0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:28.160 those spectacles and politics. 0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:29.840 Well, I mean, the thing is, you have to remember, 0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:33.040 like I think, the only reason that Cassie was able 0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:36.280 to do her lawsuit in the first place is because, 0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:39.560 you know, the New York State. New York State opened 0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:42.480 up that that law that allowed you to do back cases. 0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:45.200 They opened up the statute of limitations e g. And 0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:48.600 Carroll gets in there first, actually wins a case against Trump. 0:41:48.840 --> 0:41:50.840 That's how that opened it up, and then she, you know, 0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:53.400 all of these other cases, including Cassie's, followed. So I 0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:56.880 think there's a public policy conversation. Opening that up was 0:41:56.920 --> 0:42:00.120 actually a big deal because it did allow women who 0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:01.920 were too scared to come forward back in the day, 0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:03.920 and a lot of this was in the nineties. A 0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:06.080 lot of this was in like you know, that era 0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:08.359 when it was kind of open season on women and 0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:12.319 you know, in entertainment unfortunately, but they were able to 0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:14.760 then get their cases heard because they were from the nineties. 0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:17.640 More of that kind of public policy he probably needs 0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:19.239 to happen, I would say that would be what it is, 0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:22.200 because there's nothing you Trump is probably gonna parten. We 0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.840 know he's right in the check to get his pardon, right, Like, 0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:26.719 as soon as that check leers or the money gets 0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:29.160 into Trump account or whatever he's doing to get I'm 0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:33.759 sure he'll get a parton Because also remember James Comy's daughter. 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:35.839 I believe it was the prosecutor in the case got 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:38.160 she was fired after I fired. 0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:39.799 That's what made me think of it, because I thought 0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:42.239 about the fact that during it she was fired. That 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:45.239 didn't work out well for the DA's in New York. 0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:46.480 It made them look stupid. 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.600 But at the same time, Trump hates the Komis so 0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:53.960 much that he would almost pardon him just to write, 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.560 just to just to crab on her, Like I could 0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:58.600 see it, you know. So I'm assuming he gets a pardon, 0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:01.160 there's probably nothing we could do. Question for me culturally, 0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:02.640 does he get to come back. 0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:05.200 We'll come back as what. 0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:06.279 I don't know. 0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:09.759 That, that was my question I asked, And I'm like, 0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:11.360 what does he do when he comes home? Yeah? What 0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:12.600 does he do? 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:13.000 Yeah? 0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:14.319 I don't know what he could come back as, because 0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:16.239 I mean, if you think about it, you know, it 0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:19.360 was the liquor that kept him very relevant. You know, 0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:25.279 that's revolt that's going Yeah, it wasn't the music, right. 0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:26.480 I don't know what he could I really don't know 0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:27.880 what he could do. I have no idea. 0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:31.920 Jokingly, I heard somebody say and they just said it jokingly, 0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:33.799 like a few years ago. One of celebrity a few 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:35.680 months ago, one of the celebrities like if he got 0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:40.040 to start his own church, like literally, and and it 0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:43.279 was a joke, but I mean that's the only thing 0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:45.040 he just got to turn completely toward. 0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:49.520 He could do poorn. Somebody said that to me too. 0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:51.120 They was like, yo, he might as well lean off 0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:53.799 all the way into start a website that's like an 0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:57.040 only fans call him back boy, and people on there 0:43:57.120 --> 0:44:00.200 just doing wild freaking stuff, don't I don't know, But. 0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:02.400 I will say too that as a culture, we're very 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:03.520 forgiven when it comes to people. 0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:04.760 Yeah, and I think. 0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:07.879 Celebrity give people quick. They forget when people do. 0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:10.440 You see they the jury is like a superman. She 0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:11.400 was a superman. 0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:14.640 What's wrong with you? 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:15.440 Girl? 0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:18.480 I think she was with number three or whatever she was. 0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:20.440 She was such a fan. And my thing is like, 0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:22.239 how was she able to stay on. 0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:23.239 The junior jury? 0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:25.480 But even the jurors that like the other guy in 0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:27.719 the doctor said he didn't know what was and during 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:30.000 jury selection, they were asking celebrity and they hes trying 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:31.799 to make sure that like you didn't know as much 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:33.759 to see how much you knew. In my mind, I'm thinking, 0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:35.560 even if you walk in here not knowing who he is, 0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:38.000 if all of this is happening, you can tell they're 0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:40.040 going out their way to make sure you don't understand celebrity. 0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:43.000 You're going to start being like, Okay, what's the selection 0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:44.520 They're not They're. 0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:46.440 Going home and everybody's like, oh my, the case you're 0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:48.080 on it, you know what I mean? Like they didn't 0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:50.120 even squashed the jury, like they built that for him. 0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:51.960 But that's what I'm saying. That is the level of 0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:55.400 privilege he had that he literally he's been getting away 0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:58.640 with stuff so long he knew he would. I mean, 0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:00.600 the fact that you have cameras follow when you're around 0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:03.400 every day and then don't think you should pay them. 0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:04.200 That was crazy. 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:10.440 That's that's crazy, Like that's a level of arrogance. 0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:14.680 That's insane, because we wouldn't even have this doc page 0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:15.399 the video, just. 0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:17.880 Pay the videographer, Like do you not understand that they 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:20.440 own that footage? So it's like just the arrogance. So 0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:21.640 I don't know where he would come back, but I 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:23.600 think he would have the I feel like he would 0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:26.080 have the balls to try to come back. I'm trying to. 0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:29.640 Still got such a fan base. People are like hating 0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:34.200 fifty cent. People are not believing anything like. 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:39.480 Cent didn't make the film right, like it's not the Executiveroducer. 0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:41.960 But like his he got that man got a strong 0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:44.200 cult fand what. 0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:45.360 I'm saying, you know what I'm say, I don't know 0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:46.799 what he can do for money, Like, yeah, I know 0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:49.400 people will still like him do for money. 0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:49.839 I don't know. 0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:53.000 I think there's going to be something like visually, like 0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:55.279 he's going to try to do like a whole Here's 0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:57.880 what my life was like, here's what I've learned, because 0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:00.560 people will watch. So wherever you could get money off of, 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:01.560 like people document. 0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:06.360 Has he ever not had an ego? Yeah? You know 0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:08.880 what I mean. Always because it's cripple now was crushed. 0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:10.759 They'll be in your artice that they'll work with. 0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:12.400 And the reason I say that is because if he 0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:14.520 has a he has an air, they'll just be behind 0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:14.839 the scenes. 0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:16.320 You'll never see him in the face and you look. 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:20.719 Up but he also has like a hundred losses at 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:25.200 breaking gonna have to be like who's gay? 0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:27.960 Is the dickens Like, it's gonna have to be somebody 0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:31.280 who's like not afraid, like let's get freaky. 0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:33.000 Is it that the guy is gonna have to. 0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:35.719 Be a young gay guy who like who has been 0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:40.000 taking it, you know? And that is because you can't 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:41.160 scare a person like that. 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:43.920 But who also doesn't worry about getting paid. I mean 0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:47.720 the piece about him, not that part paying his people 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.120 the producers that do. I mean like him, had you 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:53.200 produce a whole album and you got sixty seven dollars 0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:56.600 in your bank account or you having to ask right 0:46:56.719 --> 0:47:02.960 when Craig Man had to said sixty yes, happen to 0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:05.040 ask him for one hundred dollars. This is humiliating. You 0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:07.319 have a Grammy nominator like he was. He was not 0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:10.960 with the I want to say, maybe the worst part 0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:12.920 the whole, the two part Biggie thing shook me for 0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:15.520 like I lost sleep over it. But when that sister 0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:19.120 that was in that dirt Diddy dirty money said I 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:21.600 need five thousand dollars, yeah, to try to hold on 0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:23.600 to my child, And he said, can't help you and 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:24.240 then we're doing. 0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:26.600 That like a week later, and said, hey, I need 0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:27.200 you to do this for me. 0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:29.000 And didn't even had the balls to tell her, I 0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:30.880 know you were jumping a casket if a nigga was 0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:33.279 to die right now, And she said yeah, yeah, and 0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:33.919 she did. 0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:36.040 And that goes to what MP's talking about is the 0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:38.319 celebrity thing of it. And I also think because even 0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:40.359 in court, like people would testify and it be at 0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:41.640 the end like but I still love him. 0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:43.480 There's this weird I don't know. 0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:46.160 It's like the celebrity and the lifestyle that he's afforded 0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:48.520 a lot of people. I think people hold on to it. 0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:50.040 It's a very weird attachment. 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:52.640 It's a childhood memory too though, right because you figure, 0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:54.560 for a lot of people the nineties and two thousands 0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:56.200 of the year they grew up, so they remember so 0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:58.360 much of it, right, even like you look at all Kelly, 0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:01.160 are the worst stuff that oh Kelly did. When you 0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:03.360 hear a song, it brings you back to a moment 0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:05.239 of time, right, you know. I mean Stepping the Name 0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:06.719 of Love was the song me and my wife and 0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:08.880 my daughter danced to. So when I hear it, it 0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:10.880 brings me back there. It doesn't bring me back to 0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:12.200 the guy that Pete on a young girl, you know 0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:12.480 what I mean. 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:13.040 So it's. 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:16.200 But it's hard for me though, because you know what, 0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:18.359 I love that era. I love that era of hip hop. 0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:20.440 I think it was probably the greatest era hip hop 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:24.439 is probably ninety three to like two thousand and three, 0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:26.040 you know what I mean. Like that era was such 0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:27.920 a strong era and hipop. It's such a part of 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:29.920 my memory. My kids were all born in the nineties, 0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:31.680 so it's like it was a part of even my 0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:33.759 memories of my children, Like this was like part of 0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:36.080 our lot. I mean, when Tupac and Biggie died, I 0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:37.759 was like I cried, like I knew them, you know 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:40.319 what I mean. But it's like I can't go back 0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:43.480 and listen to Biggie songs without having him all in 0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:47.120 the song. And it turns out sug who everybody thought 0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:49.319 was the villain at the time, he was trying to 0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:52.480 tell us the truth. He's all in the song. So 0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:54.600 I'm trying to listen to Biggie and he's all up 0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:57.799 in the music. You can't escape him. He's made it 0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:02.160 so he meshed himself so much in that music that 0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:05.200 you can't even enjoy it without having me confronted by him, 0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:08.080 which I actually resent because I was not a fan 0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:10.279 of what he did to hip hop. Like you know, 0:49:10.400 --> 0:49:12.960 I love try call quest If you go listen to 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:15.200 a Tribe song. They got forty samples in the song. 0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:16.480 You have no idea what it is. You have to 0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:18.239 really use your brain and think and figure out what 0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:20.439 of those samples. He would just rinse the whole song. 0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:22.680 It's like, here's a whole song and let me just 0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:24.080 go ahead and rap over it like that was. I 0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:26.400 didn't love that for hip hop at all, and I 0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:28.720 don't love the way he's so enmessed in the music. 0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:32.880 I love, you know it bothers me from home, Brooklyn, 0:49:32.920 --> 0:49:35.640 Brooklyn I grew Yeah, but I moved back to Brooklyn 0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:37.719 when I was eighteen. So I grew up in Denver, Colorado. 0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:40.640 Left when I was two, went to Denver, came back 0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:42.920 at eighteen, and then lived here for a decade. Time 0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:48.560 bad look, but you know what, there's so many bad 0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:50.640 boy artists. I mean, I thought one twelve, well, what was? 0:49:50.840 --> 0:49:52.880 I loved one twelve like a lot. Craig Mac I 0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:54.759 love that, you know, flavor and your remix like this 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:58.759 is like it's classic music, and I'm you know, but 0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:00.920 it's hard to confront, Like how do I deal with it? 0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:01.440 You know what I mean? 0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:03.560 I mean because as you just said, it's too much 0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:07.279 music attached. You didn't. I can't do that. I'm not 0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:09.680 even trying to go down that road. That's too much. 0:50:10.080 --> 0:50:16.160 I got to give up Joas, giving up uptown and bad. 0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:17.480 I'm not doing. 0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:20.640 That's the crazy thing in me. I'm I'm such a baby. 0:50:20.719 --> 0:50:23.160 I had no idea until I started working here that 0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:24.600 One twelve was his work. 0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:27.560 I had no idea that the only one who really 0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:31.360 to me escaped the whole clutches was Mary. Like Mary 0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:33.040 came out of it, even though she had a lot 0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:35.600 of challenges. But I mean she had Angelo Lerb like 0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:37.879 she had other people around her. But you think about 0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:40.080 the groups, where are they? Where is one twelve? Where 0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:42.279 is Jodasy? One of the greatest R and. 0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:43.880 B groups was just up there? 0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:45.239 But Joasy, you're. 0:50:45.160 --> 0:50:47.880 Right where his Farns were Bentley. But that's not a 0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:49.840 it's not that's not a single. 0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:53.840 Of all the stuff. 0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:57.160 Farns worth the smartest. Leave me alone. I got my 0:50:57.239 --> 0:50:59.360 kids and my wife my family moved on. He just 0:50:59.400 --> 0:50:59.919 moved on. 0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:01.480 He wasn't even in it. 0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:05.080 What did you think about going back to Trump? About 0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:10.239 him getting his peace prize. 0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:14.400 Up and down? 0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:20.840 It's the fun to me, this is the funniest story. 0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:22.439 This is what we're doing tonight on the show because 0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:25.479 I find this to be the most hilarious thing. This 0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:28.000 poor man is living his bucket list. I'm like, I 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:30.279 don't know if he's sick or not well, but he 0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:32.560 really is doing like a bucket list thing where he's like, 0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:34.520 I have all these things. I want to be a billionaire. 0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:36.680 They're like, here man has some crypto like they're just 0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:38.759 feeding him stuff on his bucket list to make him 0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:40.960 happy because they just want him to just be happy. 0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:43.640 So he's staying playing traffic while they run the country. Right. 0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:46.840 This man wanted to Nobel Peace Prize so badly he 0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:49.960 couldn't get it. He's like I've saw twelve vords, like no, 0:51:50.000 --> 0:51:53.520 you haven't. And he's so needy and pathetic that he 0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:56.239 wants a peace prize and FIFA knew how to play him. 0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:58.719 They are like, we'll just invent a peace prize. Let 0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:01.160 me just give it to you. Because literally they are 0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:04.960 one of the most corrupt organizations in history. If you 0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:12.600 love soccer, FIFA is mad corrupt, really crazy corrupt. There's 0:52:12.719 --> 0:52:16.319 so many scandals and bribery scandals about like who gets 0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:18.000 the World Cup and what cities get it and a 0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:21.800 bribery like FIFA is scandalized for years for being corrupt. 0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:25.680 The man who runs FIFA comes over and hands Trump 0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:28.600 made up gold medal. You know, like when you like 0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:31.279 somebody just want you to come to an event and 0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:33.360 they give you an award, and that award is you 0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:36.160 the first one to get it right, because they just 0:52:36.200 --> 0:52:39.320 wanted you to come. Get you. 0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:42.560 The La Times was saying that a part of them 0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:44.440 making it up too is because they're trying to make 0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:46.160 sure that they don't have like interference with a lot 0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:47.680 of the stuff they have coming in, Like they're trying 0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:48.440 to make friends with. 0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:51.520 Him because when so, the World Cup is coming in 0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:53.880 twenty twenty six to the United States. It's gonna be 0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:57.440 in the Canada, Mexico and the US. Trump had already 0:52:57.480 --> 0:52:59.480 threatened they're gonna have ice at the games, because who 0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:01.759 plays in a World Cup? A lot of Latin you know, 0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:04.919 a lot of Africans, a lot of it's a lot 0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:07.200 of black and brown people. Most of the stars are black, 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:10.600 even in like the French team, all the stars are black. 0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:13.440 Like all the Italian teams, all the stars are black. 0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:15.200 So you're talking about a lot of black and brown 0:53:15.200 --> 0:53:17.480 people coming here to play soccer, and they're going to 0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:19.759 be in all these different cities. He's threatening to take 0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:23.719 the World Cup match games away from blue cities. He 0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:26.280 doesn't like if they don't let him do immigration stuff. 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:29.120 He's throwing all the threats out, the usual Trump shit, 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:32.040 and so the reaction of FIFA is they don't want 0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:35.000 the World Cup disrupted. So they're like, here's how we 0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:37.840 can tame him. We'll just give him a fake prize 0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:40.200 that we made up for him. It's pathetic. It's like 0:53:40.239 --> 0:53:44.400 the most pathetic thing a president has ever done. It's sad. 0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:46.200 It's like in order, and he's so. 0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:47.400 O I'm so honored. 0:53:47.920 --> 0:53:49.440 Let me just accept, let me put it on right now. 0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:50.920 I don't even want to wait. I'm gonna put it 0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:52.560 on me right now. And it's like, dude, that's not 0:53:52.600 --> 0:53:57.399 a real peace prize. It's not real. They've made it up. 0:53:58.200 --> 0:54:00.960 But he's so glorified, he feels so glorified. 0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:04.200 It's empathetic when you think about the public conversation that 0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:07.000 was around you know, Biden's you know age, and you're 0:54:07.000 --> 0:54:09.359 starting to be a public conversation around Trump's age and 0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:12.000 stamina and stuff like that. Are we having an honest 0:54:12.120 --> 0:54:14.240 enough conversation about age and leadership? 0:54:14.320 --> 0:54:16.719 No? I mean, and first of all, they're just I'm like, 0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:19.680 where is Jake Tapper on this? This dude is sundown ing. 0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:22.920 We had a guy on who's who's the founder of 0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:27.440 duty to Warn? John Gartner? Doctor John Gardner. He's a psychotherapist. 0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:30.879 This is this is what his specialty is, and he 0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:34.000 is like, from a clinician's point of view, this man 0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:37.280 is sundowning. He has cognitive decline that you can see 0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:40.799 screaming at reporters, calling people piggy, yelling at them like 0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:42.319 this is like not even how he used to be 0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:45.760 ten years ago. His his his sort of verbal acuity 0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:49.360 has gone down. His the sort of range of words 0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:51.960 in his you know that he can access in his 0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:54.640 vocabulary has been decreased. Like he clearly is in the 0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:57.319 cline and no one is sounding along that they did 0:54:57.320 --> 0:54:59.399 with Biden. Biden with shambling and shuffling and we could 0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:02.080 see it was all but with Trump, like the decline 0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:04.560 is like in your face and we're not having this 0:55:04.600 --> 0:55:08.799 conversation and we're not saying do we trust him with 0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:09.360 the button? 0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:12.399 Yeah? I wonder that's a good point. 0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:14.600 I wonder what trump the difference between Trump and Biden 0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:17.839 Biden was in office and was campaigning again, I wonder 0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:20.319 if we saw this on the campaign trail, what the 0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:21.319 conversation would have. 0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:23.000 Been, Like, I mean, but we did see it on 0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:25.719 the campaign trail. With Trump, it's just that everyone would 0:55:25.719 --> 0:55:27.720 stay and watch him. So like he did a Fox interview. 0:55:27.719 --> 0:55:28.840 Do you remember the interview he did? It was like 0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:30.920 a barbershop type of thing. It was like he was 0:55:30.960 --> 0:55:33.240 in like a like a barber shop sort of situation 0:55:33.680 --> 0:55:35.840 and he's talking to all these different and it was 0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:39.839 like really cut short on Fox. But if you watch 0:55:39.920 --> 0:55:44.759 the longer clips, he's just rambling. Like if it was 0:55:44.800 --> 0:55:48.600 your grandpa, you would be like you need your medications 0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:51.960 or then you know, like this guy works from noon 0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:56.680 to five pm. That's a five hour day. The presidency 0:55:56.760 --> 0:55:58.840 is like a twenty four hour day job. He works 0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:03.359 five Clearly, the marks on his hands, the cankles, he's 0:56:03.360 --> 0:56:06.160 not well, and that's like no one wants to They 0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:10.360 were pretending that he's not declining before us, and he 0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:13.920 has three more years at least, and he wants to 0:56:13.960 --> 0:56:16.040 stay in and be he claims he gonna run again 0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:16.839 at twenty twenty eight. 0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:20.480 Would give me another ridiculous conversation. I don't even if 0:56:20.440 --> 0:56:22.680 people should be entertaining that conversation. Like that's when I 0:56:22.719 --> 0:56:26.000 get mad at media because I'm like, stop having that conversation. 0:56:26.080 --> 0:56:29.440 Let people know this cannot can't happen. Unconstitutional, Right, it's 0:56:29.480 --> 0:56:31.040 against the law, except. 0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:33.160 If he just stayed in office. Who loan check and 0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:35.480 move but the military. But that's the. 0:56:35.280 --> 0:56:39.239 Thing saying that he can't do it. What other things 0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:41.799 that we not know that he can't do that, he's 0:56:41.840 --> 0:56:42.560 just doing them. 0:56:42.600 --> 0:56:44.959 So it's like that's what I worry about. 0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:47.120 Some people are scared maybe he is going to run again, 0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:49.680 because yeah, by law, you can't. 0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:52.799 You can't run more than twice, right, you cannot run. 0:56:52.920 --> 0:56:55.439 He can't even run as vice president because he would 0:56:55.440 --> 0:56:57.479 be eligible to be president if anything happened to the present, 0:56:57.520 --> 0:56:59.640 Like he can't do any of it. But my question 0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:03.479 is maybe he just stays. I mean, the last time 0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:05.440 he tried. If you think about what he did in 0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:08.640 twenty twenty one, he didn't try to run again. He 0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:11.319 just tried to not leave. Yeah hmmm, So I mean 0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:14.239 he did try this before, and now he got away 0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:16.760 with that pardoned all the people who helped him try 0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:19.720 to He tried to just not leave. So why wouldn't 0:57:19.760 --> 0:57:21.720 he try it again now that he's been affirmed by 0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:24.080 the Supreme Court that there was nothing wrong with that, 0:57:24.400 --> 0:57:26.760 that he cannot commit a crime, that he can kill 0:57:26.800 --> 0:57:30.120 someone with Seal Team six and he literally is killing 0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:32.600 boats with Seal Team six, which is what the Supreme 0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:35.440 Court that he could do. They said he could sell pardons. 0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:37.880 He's doing that, we think. I mean, I don't know 0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:41.640 if he's selling them, but somebody's selling his transacting money 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:44.280 for pardons to happen. He's doing whatever he wants. So 0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:47.520 if he decides I'm gonna repeat my twenty twenty one 0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:50.439 thing and just not leave, Hugo, check them boo. I'm 0:57:50.520 --> 0:57:52.560 just wondering who's going to be that person that's gonna 0:57:52.600 --> 0:57:55.880 check him. I'm not sure not the Supreme Court. Won't 0:57:55.880 --> 0:57:58.000 they just be like, you know, we read the Constitution 0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:00.160 and we realized that maybe Trump could just stay like, 0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:02.520 are they going to stop them? That's what I'm saying. 0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:05.440 In the early stages of democratic collection. 0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:08.640 Yes, a Happy Hour. 0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:20.280 Birthday show Monday, Wednesday and Friday sixty eight pm. And 0:58:20.320 --> 0:58:23.280 what's your happy birthday? While she's stressing the South, have 0:58:23.360 --> 0:58:25.480 mery man. Thank you for joining us. 0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:27.360 This was fun. 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