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Speaker 1: Every day a week ago up the Breakfast Club, finish

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Speaker 1: for y'all.

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Speaker 2: Done morning. Everybody's DJ Envy just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy

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Speaker 2: we are the Breakfast Club. Lonla Roses here as well,

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Speaker 2: and we got a special guest today on her birthday.

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Speaker 3: Birthday, that's right about miss.

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Speaker 4: Joy and read welcome, thank you? Are you feeling this morning?

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Speaker 5: I'm feeling so good on my birthday because look, I

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Speaker 5: woke up looking fully made up and I just woke

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Speaker 5: up like this. I just woke up and I just

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Speaker 5: was fully made up and ready to go.

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Speaker 4: It's twenty five years.

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Speaker 5: Old, twenty I'm working today. You know, I'm type A.

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Speaker 5: So I'm like, I'm just gonna work like normal. But

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Speaker 5: last night we did like karaoke. We went out, we

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Speaker 5: did like live ving karaoke.

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Speaker 3: I got my.

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Speaker 5: Little shop on with my friends and it was fun.

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Speaker 4: So yet and I bet it was early too. You

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Speaker 4: ended like so back.

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Speaker 5: Went to sleep at three o'clock this morning after a

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Speaker 5: little bit, you know, we hung out, so we were

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Speaker 5: outside like.

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Speaker 4: Meet me and Charlotte by none.

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Speaker 3: I'm a night per done.

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Speaker 5: I don't even start to really wake up to like

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Speaker 5: six pm. Really, I'm not a morning like this is

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Speaker 5: tough for me.

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Speaker 3: Morning.

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Speaker 5: You're not used to the morning radio mornings are tough.

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Speaker 5: I'm a night person. I don't even get really going

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Speaker 5: until like six seven o'clock. Then I'm awake.

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Speaker 3: So that's why you do your show at night as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean night, that's literally when I kind of

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Speaker 5: come alive. I'm not Mornings are tough, like getting up,

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Speaker 5: I fight my way out of bed. I have to

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Speaker 3: And you're celebrating the six month birthday in your show too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so the birth So it's just interesting enough that

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Speaker 5: my birthday is today and the six month birthday of

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Speaker 5: the show is tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, six months, and it feels like it's been longer,

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Speaker 5: but it's only been six months.

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Speaker 6: What has been the six like out of six months?

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Speaker 6: What's the thing that you were most grateful for in

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Speaker 6: the journey of your show?

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Speaker 5: The support? Like, I mean, you know, because when you

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Speaker 5: leave like a sort of formal corporate media situation, you

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Speaker 5: have no idea whether people are, you know, we're really

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Speaker 5: interested in the station and following the station or following you.

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Speaker 5: And I'm just grateful for the love and support that

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Speaker 5: we've gotten not only the people who've been willing to

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Speaker 5: come on, but just the fact that people are like

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Speaker 5: responding to it. I'm beyond grateful.

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Speaker 4: How is it independence been?

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Speaker 5: Though? I love it, especially now because this corporate media world,

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Speaker 5: it's getting worse. It's getting harder for people to really

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Speaker 5: And so I'm just grateful to be free to do

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Speaker 3: Do you think they're attacks?

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Speaker 5: One?

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Speaker 4: Do you think the attacks increased?

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Speaker 2: Because I noticed, especially with a lot of independent people,

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Speaker 5: I think independent gets attacked a lot more because people

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Speaker 5: realize the effectiveness of it. I think once you know,

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Speaker 5: Trump was helped so much by outside of corporate media,

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Speaker 5: like he was really helped by podcast, he was really

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Speaker 5: And I think once people realize the power of that

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Speaker 5: like the the eyes are on it now, so you know,

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Speaker 5: but as far as a tax against me, it's just

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Speaker 5: jd Vance will be like, you're not grateful enough.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: If Netflix absorbs Warner Brothers, right, what did that level

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Speaker 5: I'm actually glad CNN's not in the deal because so

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Speaker 5: what they did, they're kind of doing the same thing

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Speaker 5: spin Co, which is a bad name for a media company,

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Speaker 5: but they called it Spinco for a while and then

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Speaker 5: switched it up. They did this, they're doing the same

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Speaker 5: with CNN. So CNN is not in the deal, which

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Speaker 5: I think is good because that size of a corporation

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure has the right level of accountability to

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Speaker 5: but it's not in the deal.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 5: The question is who buys CNN and who absorbs it,

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Speaker 5: and that is still an open question that could be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I thought I saw something with Trump said

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Speaker 1: he had a list of seeing any ankles he wanted fired.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I mean, look at this point, he's in

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Speaker 5: a way dictating what sky Dance does. He's dictating their

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Speaker 5: editorial content. I mean, how is the editorial content of

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Speaker 5: like the Tiffany network, that Walter Cronkite network being dictated

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Speaker 5: out of the White House. That's already happening. If CNN

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Speaker 5: gonna dictate what's on CNN. Like we're going in a

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Speaker 6: He says, He's gonna be real involved in the approval

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Speaker 6: of this Netflix deal.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and the Netflix president had to go have a

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Speaker 5: personal conversation with Trump to get him to approve the

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Speaker 5: deal because the Ellisons were also wanting to buy Warner

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Speaker 5: and they were add and they're still lobbying to try

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Speaker 5: to undo that deal so they can buy it. It's like,

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Speaker 5: in the end, we're gonna have like five media companies.

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Speaker 5: They're gonna own everything and own everything from social media

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Speaker 5: to regular media. This is not good because the public

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Speaker 5: is not going to have anywhere to go. It's going

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Speaker 5: to be like back in the day there were three networks.

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Speaker 5: There'll be three networks again, but they'll all be in

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Speaker 2: So it's yeah, besides the government piece, right, I feel

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Speaker 4: To tell somebody what they can buy and what they can't.

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Speaker 4: But how does that sit with you?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Take the government piece out right with Trump? Because Trump

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Speaker 2: could be like, I'll approve this deal, but you got

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Speaker 2: to fire this person, this person, this person. Right, So

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Speaker 5: But I think it depends because in the case of media,

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Speaker 5: let's say everyone who buys a media company and saying, yeah,

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Speaker 5: you can buy whatever you want. But then if it's

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Speaker 5: all giving you only one one perspective, one size, and

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Speaker 5: So now you're locked in. You get this one perspective

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Speaker 5: because where can you get any alternative view? That's what

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Speaker 5: That's what Victor Orbon did in Hungary. Basically all of

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Speaker 5: the media is his perspective and only his perspective, and

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Speaker 5: you can't get an alternative. That's a dangerous place, especially

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Speaker 5: in this country. As diverse as this country is, how

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Speaker 5: able to get a variety of it. And for now,

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Speaker 5: independent media is where you can go and get the alternative.

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Speaker 5: As long as that stays free and clear, then I

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Speaker 5: guess we're good. But I don't think it's good for

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Speaker 5: It's not a good look.

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Speaker 3: So you have to have like a Fox that's right.

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Speaker 1: Then you have to have an MSNBC that has a

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Speaker 3: But you got variety.

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Speaker 5: At least you have a variety of a choice. You

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Speaker 6: That's why it's kind of crazy to hear him talk

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Speaker 6: about like he's nervous that Netflix will have like a

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Speaker 7: So exactly, such a.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, And I just assume he's getting paid off everything.

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Speaker 5: It's like all these pardons are like that. It's like

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Speaker 5: pardons out of the White House. This is crazy, but

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Speaker 8: What do you see like America looking like at the

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Speaker 5: You think a mess? Like a whole mess? Because the

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Speaker 5: thing is, if they are robbing the treasury to enrich

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Speaker 5: him and enrich his friends and enrich this small set

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Speaker 5: up with a crab economy, people struggling, a lot, more poverty,

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Speaker 5: that's the seeds of revolution. You don't want to really

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Speaker 8: And then how long is the undo of everything for

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Speaker 8: the next person is Yeah, damn. I can't imagine the

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Speaker 8: job of the next president to have to fix this mess,

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Speaker 8: because this is a mess like he's going to lead.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I'm assuming twenty twenty six we end up

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Speaker 5: And I think people should brace themselves for the economy

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Speaker 5: to get really bad, because when a small number of

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Speaker 5: when the bottom gets poorer, there's no way to sustain

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Speaker 5: an economy like that that anybody can really benefit from.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Trump is benefiting, his friends are benefiting who else.

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Speaker 3: It's not good, you know, I did last week.

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Speaker 1: I did the New York Times deal Book panel, and

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Speaker 1: one of the questions that they asked, actually the first

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Speaker 1: question they asked us, should we trust the media in twenty.

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Speaker 5: Twenty five, I trust it less and less. I definitely

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Speaker 8: Then they can use it another way too, like for

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Speaker 5: To cover it up. You think about Hollywood, so many

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Speaker 3: You use the word authoritarianism.

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Speaker 5: Fascism, you know what I mean? Yeah? And I think,

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Speaker 3: Not how I was taught. How fast I never fascism.

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Speaker 1: You can't work with a fascist like that's never worked

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Speaker 3: So sometimes we say these words.

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Speaker 5: And I think politics makes it difficult to fight fascism

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Speaker 5: I don't think they really think it's fascism authoritarism. I

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel about Mundanie too, because I feel

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Speaker 1: like if you if you use those words while you're campaigning,

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Speaker 1: if you're going to tell us you can work with

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Speaker 1: a fascist.

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Speaker 3: But that's not how fascism work.

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Speaker 5: What I'll give him credit for though, when he was

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Speaker 5: point blank as even in his presence, is he a fascist?

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Speaker 5: He was like yeah. He was like yeah. He was

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Speaker 5: asked the press.

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Speaker 3: After he got a little pat and he was like,

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Speaker 3: it's okay to call me that.

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Speaker 5: He's right. He wouldn't even let him finish his sentence

448
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Speaker 5: because Trump was like, he fell in love with mom,

449
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Speaker 5: Donnie in that moment. I'm not sure what happened. I

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Speaker 5: really want to know what he said to him in

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Speaker 5: the room, because Trump seemed to fall in love with him.

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Speaker 5: But when he was on Meet the Press was either

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Speaker 5: Meet the Press or CBS. This morning, I was on

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Speaker 5: Meet the President. He was asked, point blank, is he

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Speaker 5: a fascist? He's like yeah.

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Speaker 1: But that's when he said you could work with him,

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Speaker 1: And that's why I got confused. I was like, since

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Speaker 1: I've never seen somebody work with a fascist in history

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Speaker 1: of mankind, and.

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Speaker 3: You know that's actually how you normalize.

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Speaker 5: Me, right, Well, I mean, the reality is the one

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Speaker 5: time that you could say, well, I don't know if

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Speaker 5: you would call him a FASTI he was definitely an authoritarian,

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Speaker 5: was Stylin, And I mean FDR worked with Stalin. I

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Speaker 5: mean you had khrush Chef worked with Kennedy. I mean, unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: when you have a regime, you've got to deal with

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Speaker 5: the regime. And I think if you're the mayor of

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Speaker 5: New York City, you got to deal with the President

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Speaker 5: of United States. There's no getting around it. And so

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Speaker 5: if you have an in the interest of your citizens,

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Speaker 5: you're unfortunately gonna have to deal with this man. You

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Speaker 5: have to deal with this president. The immigration issue alone

473
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Speaker 5: is going to send him in a collision course with

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Speaker 5: the White House. So I kind of understand what he's saying,

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Speaker 5: he has to work with Biden was on his way out.

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Speaker 5: He didn't have to work with Trump.

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Speaker 4: There's no there.

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Speaker 5: No presidents don't work with each other. You're literally handing

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Speaker 5: over power to somebody. You're saying is dangerous, Mam, Donnie's

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Speaker 5: not handing power over to Trump. He has to work

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Speaker 5: with Trump. That's actually just a fact with when Biden

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Speaker 5: did it to me, it was unnecessary that that kind

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Speaker 5: of comity, that kind of like friendliness between two presidents

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Speaker 5: was completely unnecessary. You are out of power, you on

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Speaker 5: your way out, stand strong on what you said during

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Speaker 5: the campaign. There was no need for you to be

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Speaker 5: generous to him. In the case of Mam Donnie, it's

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Speaker 5: slightly different because you're coming into power and you do

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Speaker 5: have to deal with that man. You have no choice.

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Speaker 1: I agree, But how do you ring the alarm that

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Speaker 1: this is something different and not just a difference in politics.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's why you're using words like fashion. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and he's gonna have to do that in power, like

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Speaker 5: he's gonna have to particularly on the I mean now

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Speaker 5: that Trump has deleted all Haitian Americans TPS, no more

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Speaker 5: temporary protected status for anybody Haitian, like gone right, what

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Speaker 5: they're doing to Venezuelan's And there's a lot in this city.

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Speaker 5: So he now is going to be frontline trying to

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Speaker 5: deal with fighting literal fascism and authoritarianism at his doorstep.

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Speaker 5: And so yeah, the question is going to be does

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Speaker 5: he do it with that rhetoric and keep that rhetoric

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Speaker 5: up or does he just fight it. I don't even

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Speaker 5: think it matters what he says. At this point, he's

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Speaker 5: gonna have to fight it. We cannot have this country

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Speaker 5: become one giant kidnapping site where where this regime is

506
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Speaker 5: allowed to just kidnap people at will. Like that has

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Speaker 5: to stop, and somebody has to stand up to on

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Speaker 5: the you know, New York City happens to be, you know,

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Speaker 5: the financial capital of the United States, and somebody has

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Speaker 5: to put their foot down. And I'm hoping, I'm Donnie Will.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the public fully understands how much executive

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Speaker 1: power Trump is wilding or are we sleepwalking into something

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Speaker 1: you're reversal.

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Speaker 5: I think we're sleepwalking because you know what, I don't

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Speaker 5: think people understood the powers of the presidency and that

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Speaker 5: it was only constrained by the kind of belief in

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Speaker 5: the system of other presidents. Like Trump is just stealing

518
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Speaker 5: power that no one anticipated the president would have because

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Speaker 5: he's just doing it. And it makes me think, well, damn,

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Speaker 5: the Democrats were in there, they could have done a

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Speaker 5: lot more shit. Who knew because who's gonna stop you, Like,

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Speaker 5: who's gonna stop him? Nobody? And so if now we

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Speaker 5: realize the presidents he could be this powerful, it kind

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Speaker 5: of makes me wish that previous presidents had actually used

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Speaker 5: more power for good for good, Yeah yeah, because this

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Speaker 5: dude is just stealing powers that were not even anticipated.

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Speaker 5: I mean, and the Supreme Court is rubber stamping at all.

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Speaker 5: So it's like, oh shit, it turns out Obama shit

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Speaker 5: had just like made put thirteen seats on the Supreme

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Speaker 5: Court and you know put you know, I mean, I

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Speaker 5: just I wonder what we could have done had previous

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Speaker 5: presidents realize how much power they can.

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Speaker 2: If another Democrat goes in office, do you think another

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Speaker 2: Democratic president will use his power they have to? Do

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Speaker 2: you think that they will or do you think they will?

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Speaker 2: I don't want to go against what the constitutions.

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, I think it's that I think so too. I

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Speaker 5: don't think democrats believe and use I think they're afraid

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Speaker 5: to will power the way that Trump is willed in power.

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Speaker 5: They think that he is he is outside the norm

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Speaker 5: and they're gonna want to bring it back to the norm.

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Speaker 5: That's how we ended up with Merrick Garland, who did

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Speaker 5: nothing for four years.

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Speaker 2: Even Biden on the way out like if I'm on

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Speaker 2: my way out, nah, I'm gonna pardon everybody that needs

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Speaker 2: to be part and I'm gonna make sure everybody was

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Speaker 2: what you're gonna.

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Speaker 5: Do, what you're gonna do.

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Speaker 4: Hate me anyway, you hate me anyway, you.

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Speaker 5: Hate me anyway. And it's like he parted. He did

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Speaker 5: a select few pardons. There's so much more he could

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Speaker 5: have done on his way out, but instead he's trying

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Speaker 5: to welcome home the next president. I don't want to

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Speaker 5: go too far, you know. Even so, yeah, I worry

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Speaker 5: that democrats, just small sea constitutionally are not built to

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Speaker 5: do what they need to do when they come.

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Speaker 1: Now, you said a name, just now, I'm sorry you

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Speaker 1: said it. And this person needs a lot more smoke

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Speaker 1: than he ever gets. And that's Merygarland.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Like I don't know why Marrigarland escapes the smoke.

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Speaker 5: I don't understand why he escapes the smoke. Even the

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Speaker 5: Epstein files thing, I'm like, wait a minute, you tell me.

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Speaker 5: Nine months into this administration, the podcast guys are claiming

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Speaker 5: they caught the mind.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if this young man is the person

568
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Speaker 5: that put the pipe bombs in these I don't know,

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Speaker 5: but I know they said we solved the case in

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Speaker 5: nine months. Mary Garland was there for four years? What

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Speaker 5: were you doing the Epstein files? Merrick, what were you

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Speaker 5: doing for four years? You had the same evidence, the

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Speaker 5: same files. Why did you release them? Like there's there's

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Speaker 5: He took a year and a half to even start

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Speaker 5: investigating Trump. For January he did an insurrection, and he's like,

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Speaker 5: let me start at the bottom. I'm going to arrest

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Speaker 5: the cab driver who drove down to be in the insurrection,

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Speaker 5: and I'll work my way up to the one to

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Speaker 5: own the beauty salon, and then I'll work my way.

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Speaker 5: It took him a year and a half to get

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Speaker 5: the Trump. This man had classified doctors at his house

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Speaker 5: for eighteen months while they were begging, please, will you

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Speaker 5: bring him back? Asked nicely, bring him back, Mary? Garland

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Speaker 5: did to me nothing for four years. He might as

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Speaker 5: well not have been there.

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Speaker 1: And when President Biden left the White House, he said

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Speaker 1: he should have hired a different attorney general that would

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Speaker 1: have went after Trump a lot sooner.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, well, Dad, why did you fire them there?

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Speaker 5: Exactly why did you fire them? I mean between that

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Speaker 5: and sitting there while the genocide happened under your watch,

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Speaker 5: And I mean that by knowns that. So I think

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Speaker 5: about that Biden presidency as just one four year lost opportunity.

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Speaker 5: Love the infrastructure bill, but other than that, it's like,

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Speaker 5: what did you do with your time? While Trump is

596
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Speaker 5: running rough shot over the Constitution, he sat there, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I need sixty votes to get anything done. It does

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Speaker 5: make it. And I remember you used to say this

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Speaker 5: during the time. It's like, it's frustrating when Democrats say

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Speaker 5: I can't And I was even one who say, you know,

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Speaker 5: they don't have sixty votes in the Senate. But now

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Speaker 5: I'm realizing they didn't need him. They literally could have

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Speaker 5: just don I mean, who knew.

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Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of people didn't know.

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Speaker 1: We had Congressman not Green here and we asked him like,

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Speaker 1: did you know a president could wild this much power beforehand?

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Speaker 3: And he was like, no, I'm a lawyer. So Congress

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Speaker 3: now Green don't know how we fosed to know.

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Speaker 5: We didn't know. I mean, and I thought it was

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Speaker 5: pretty conversion in the Constitution. But Trump, I mean, we

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Speaker 5: thought the emolument's clause was real. Wasn't real. You know,

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Speaker 5: you can sell Brock, you can sell pardons who knew

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Speaker 5: like they're literally he's doing everything you think would be

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Speaker 5: a criminal offense in the White House with the Supreme

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Speaker 5: Court of the United States literally rubber stamping it. So

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Speaker 5: I guess if you're a Republican, you can do it.

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe this stuff is a crime, but just the

618
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court gave him that presidential immunity.

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Speaker 5: Because they're Republicans and they want Republicans to win.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I wonder if before the presidential see this

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Speaker 1: is great, this is the fact that we're even having

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Speaker 1: this conversation. I wonder if before the presidential immunity was

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Speaker 1: just stuff for legal.

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Speaker 5: It had to have been illegal. But I think, I mean,

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Speaker 5: I only think it's being allowed because they're Republicans and

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Speaker 5: he's a Republican, and genre if you know anything about

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Speaker 5: John Roberts, you know he's a Republican first and foremost.

628
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Speaker 5: He does not believe in the Voting Rights Act, never

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Speaker 5: has and these are the outcomes he wants. They want

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Speaker 5: a king. They're monarchists. They don't believe in democracy. They

631
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Speaker 5: want a monarchy. They just want it to be a

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Speaker 5: Republican monarchy. Because I promise if a Democrat was doing this,

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Speaker 5: they would say none of that's legal.

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Speaker 7: But they want that.

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Speaker 6: But do they want that person to be Trump, because

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Speaker 6: I feel like there's certain things that he does that

637
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Speaker 6: even on the Republican side, they're like, mmm, hold up, wait,

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Speaker 6: Like I think they want the time, like the the

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Speaker 6: overall control of what you're talking about. But I don't

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Speaker 6: know if they really want it to be like Trump,

641
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Speaker 6: like I know charlae Is talked about that before, like

642
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Speaker 6: them trying to move him out the way and kind

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Speaker 6: of take back and get back to now.

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Speaker 5: I think to be he's the perfect. He is a

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Speaker 5: use he is the perfect useful idiot for people like

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Speaker 5: the Project twenty twenty five authors. He's ideal, Like he's

647
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 5: even better than Bush because you want somebody it's not

648
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 5: too smart necessarily, but that beguiles the base. The base

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00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 5: loves Trump. He does there's something about him that they

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00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 5: just love. Style. They love they love the way he talks,

651
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 5: the way he does his you know, geriatric dance. They

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00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 5: love it. They love it. And because the base loves it,

653
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Speaker 5: you can slide a lot of stuff past them that

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00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 5: hurt them. You can hurt these people and they'll love it.

655
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 5: They'll thank you for it because they like him. So

656
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 5: he's perfect. And Bush was like that like people are like, man,

657
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 5: Bush is dumb. That was perfect because the right wanted

658
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 5: to do massive tax because they wanted to do surveillance.

659
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 5: They started that surveillance under him. They wanted to do

660
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 5: foreign wars for money, you know, wars for oil. They

661
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 5: wanted to do. Bush is the perfect foil because he's

662
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 5: just a goof that. Americans on the right loved Trump

663
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 5: is that times ten plus a celebrity. So I think

664
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 5: they loved and they'll keep Trump around as long as

665
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 5: they can. They might weakend it, bernies him to keep

666
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 5: him around because he's the perfect useful idiot basically for

667
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 5: what they want. The base loves it. And so you

668
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 5: can think about what you're sliding past these people. You're

669
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 5: taking their cattle farms and making them bankrupt. You slide

670
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 5: in tariffs that make everything expensive. You're destroying people economically,

671
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 5: and they're thanking you for it because they love Trump.

672
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 5: So I think they want Trump forever if they could

673
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 5: keep them. What do you?

674
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: What do you?

675
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 9: I'm switching talking about Want to talk about Puffy for

676
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 9: a second. Oh my god, exhausting.

677
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: We talk about that all day.

678
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 5: I used to call Trump the Puffy of politics for years.

679
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 5: I would call him the Puffy of politics, and nobody

680
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 5: ever should understood why they're the same person.

681
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: Damn, if you think about it, I can see what

682
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: you mean by that, like the arrogance, the.

683
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 5: Arrogance, and then they don't have a specific talent. Their

684
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 5: talent is using the people with talent to get what

685
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 5: they want, right, Like Puffy is not a producer, He's not. No,

686
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 5: he hires producers, doesn't pay them, makes him sign N

687
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 5: d a's, but he takes the crew and then he

688
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 5: goes on and says I like that on the song.

689
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 5: And now he's also the artist.

690
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 8: So what is all this with him and the you

691
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 8: know he we've seen him like direct people how to

692
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 8: do this, how to sing it this way and that,

693
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 8: you know, just how it sounds phonetically and how it's coming.

694
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 5: Like that's not a producer.

695
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think the Puffy not having no

696
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: talent thing is kind of a little scratch. So we've

697
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: seen him pick songs and be like, yo, I want

698
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: to turn this into such and such record.

699
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 5: I know he's a marketing genius, so is Trump? Like

700
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 5: that's something they're the same person. They're both marketing genius.

701
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 4: He's saying he's not pushing the button instead like he's okay.

702
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 5: Producer, right, you know what I mean, Like he's not

703
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 5: like a rapper, but he craved to be the talent.

704
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 5: But he really is the marketer. But it's like when

705
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 5: the marketer wants to be the product and he fought

706
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 5: to me to the death of a lot of people

707
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 5: to get to be the talent when he's actually the

708
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 5: marketer and he's a genius at that. I'm gonna give

709
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 5: him credit for that, but it's in terms of it's

710
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 5: like he had this great envy of the talented artist

711
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 5: that he saw around him, you know, especially Tupac, and

712
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 5: he wanted to be Tupac, like beloved like Tupac, Talented

713
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 5: like Tupac. He wanted to be Biggie instead of just

714
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 5: market Biggie. And it's like he fought his way through

715
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 5: a lot of dead bodies to be the artist. It's

716
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 5: so tragic on so many levels. And it's I mean,

717
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 5: it was brilliantly done.

718
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: It was great, and I mean he is he is

719
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: an executive, like he was able to find talent, put

720
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: talent together and make those but as far as being

721
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: an actual producer, someone who sits there plugs in the

722
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: keyboard and none that wasn't he never said anything.

723
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: What do you think it says about America that a

724
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: documentary about Diddy and even even black culture to that

725
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: that can dominate Netflix at a moment when like black

726
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: history is being restricted in school. I just saw Trump

727
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: get rid of Martin Luther King Jr. And Junior teenth

728
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: at Parks and replace it with like.

729
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 5: It's so amazing to me because I've been noticing when

730
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 5: I've been scrolling through Netflix, it's a lot of content

731
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 5: that's not black, you know, and it's like that it's

732
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 5: all all white cats and everything. But the number one

733
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 5: thing on there is this documentar about this black man

734
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 5: in other countries to not just here, not just here.

735
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 5: So it's like they don't want, they don't want us

736
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 5: to be centered, but we're still centered because black folks

737
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 5: make culture, like American culture without black people is just stale,

738
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 5: like secondary European culture, you know, And so they want

739
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 5: they don't maybe they don't want us, but they need

740
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 5: us because look at this thing dominating. It's amazing and

741
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 5: it's a fascinating, well done story.

742
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: It was that cultural power ever translating the political power,

743
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: do you think.

744
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 5: I hope so. I hope so, But I think we

745
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 5: actually have to think differently too, you know what I mean. Like,

746
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 5: I love Magic Johnson, but you know, you know, it's

747
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 5: great to shop for kids for Christmas. But did it

748
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 5: have to be Target? You know, in a moment when

749
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 5: we're trying to stand up for our dignity against companies

750
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 5: like Target that don't respect us. It's disappointing, you know

751
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 5: that he would lean into Target in this moment, you

752
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 5: know what I mean?

753
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, bring whatever.

754
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 5: So his foundation they do a thing where they shop

755
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,239
Speaker 5: for holiday gifts for kids, which is wonderful and it's

756
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 5: great that they do that, and they've been doing it

757
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 5: for a few I mean probably a few years, but

758
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 5: it's with Target, and so in this moment, it's like, Ooh,

759
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 5: does it have to be with Target specifically? And maybe

760
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 5: they just had a multi year deal. I have no idea,

761
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 5: but it's just we're not unified enough to turn it

762
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 5: into political power. I think we're not on the same

763
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 5: page enough. You know, if we could marshal one trillion

764
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 5: plus dollars in economic power, and we were together and

765
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 5: we had a plan, we would be unstoppable. But I

766
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 5: just don't think we're there. I wish we were. I

767
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 5: would love us to be there.

768
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 6: So do you think because there's been a debate about

769
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 6: if fifty cent is wrong for being a part of

770
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 6: the doc as a black man, do you think that's

771
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 6: wrong or right?

772
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 5: I think it's wrong what Puffy allegedly did. I think

773
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 5: the things he did allegedly were horrific, and I think

774
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 5: those things had to come out. It didn't help us

775
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 5: to like hide what we knew about r Kelly, you

776
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 5: know what I mean? Who did that help? It just

777
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 5: hurt little young girls and so you know, it didn't

778
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 5: help for on the other side people to hide with

779
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 5: they knew about Epstein and m and let them roll.

780
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 5: So I think we have to expose the things in

781
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 5: our even in our culture, that are hurting us. That

782
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 5: wasn't helping anybody. Where's Mace's money, you know? But Create

783
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 5: mag died with no money? Like that's not right.

784
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: But let me ask you a questions. I agree with you.

785
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: I think that you should expose. I think people should

786
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: see my question. And I think this was the hardest

787
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: thing for me, right and people whatever, they call me

788
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 2: a glazer for Diddy, but it's not true. My problem

789
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: was what he was convicted of. But he was found

790
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: guilty of the time that he got. Is that too

791
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 2: much because he was hiring a prostitute? Well allegedly, right,

792
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: But usually the prostitute gets time and the pimp gets time,

793
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: and the john usually gets a slap on the risk

794
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: community service and they have to go to some course

795
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: for whatever sex whatever. But in this case, it seems

796
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: like the crime, I guess the time doesn't fit the crime.

797
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 5: So I think the same and want I want to

798
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 5: say it's the same exact he was convicted of the

799
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 5: same thing Epstein was, you know what I mean, Like,

800
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 5: I think they used I believe in both cases it

801
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 5: was man that kind of Epstein wasn't convicted of the

802
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 5: man at Epstein was convicted of basically soliciting, and so

803
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 5: was Puffy versions of that, right, And I think those

804
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 5: cases were mischarged. In both of those cases. I think

805
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 5: the prosecutors failed the victims. In both of those cases.

806
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 5: Epstein should have not been convicted of some sort of

807
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 5: solicitation of prostitution. Those girls weren't prostitutes. They were children,

808
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 5: you know, they were kids, but they were like they

809
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 5: were sort of portrayed as prostitutes, was.

810
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: Charged with sex trafficking of miners.

811
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 5: Sex trafficking, but he was charged of sex traffic of

812
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 5: miners the second time federally in Florida when he was

813
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 5: actually convicted, he was convicted of a basically a solicitation charge.

814
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 5: Then he was federally charged with trafficking and never you know,

815
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 5: obviously because he never made it to trial. But you know,

816
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 5: that was his original conviction, and then Puffy's conviction here

817
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 5: what he was they almost overcharged it and undercharged it,

818
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. They were never gonna prove

819
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 5: Rico like that just didn't seem like they could prove that.

820
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 5: But I also think they failed. There were real victims here,

821
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 5: and I just think I don't think they charged with

822
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 5: the right things. I don't think it makes Puffy innocent,

823
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 5: because I don't.

824
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 4: Think he was innocent, but it just it seems like

825
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 4: for what he was charged with, what he was found

826
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 4: guilty of, it seems a lot worse than what he's

827
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 4: doing time for he got off.

828
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 8: For me watching The Doctor, I'm like, uh, well, I

829
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 8: kind of felt that way before I watched the documentary,

830
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 8: and then the way that Emmy feels and then after

831
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 8: watching I'm like, man, this nigga skating.

832
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 5: Then like it's really decades, this is a time out.

833
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 8: Everything is true in this documentary documentary. It's like, Yo,

834
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 8: you still kind of like God, favorite is what it

835
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 8: seemed like you're not getting.

836
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 3: No, no God.

837
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 8: But then you get what I'm saying though, It's like

838
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 8: it's only a very few that you know what I'm saying.

839
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 5: That's why I say he's trong, right, And I'm like

840
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 5: the just the tupocket biggie parts of it, if he

841
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 5: was in any way involved and somebody there's a og

842
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 5: fan of both to iamb I mean, and I always

843
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 5: felt a funny about him and the way they were

844
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 5: pushing that East coast West coast because the West Coast

845
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 5: artists were really not trying to be a part of that.

846
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 5: They were really trying to pull back from it, you know.

847
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 5: I mean, say what you want about Snoop, but Snoop

848
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 5: was trying to pull back from it, like they were

849
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 5: not trying to lean into the East coast West coast,

850
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 5: but Puffy was and was benefiting from it again marketing genius.

851
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,959
Speaker 5: They were using it for marketing, and in that month

852
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 5: I don't know if y'all remember that time. It was ugly,

853
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 5: but it wasn't two sided, And so I had an

854
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 5: issue with him even from then because of that. And

855
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 5: I didn't even know who he was until that stampede.

856
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 5: That's how I found out who Puffy was. So I

857
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 5: was never a fan only because I was like, that

858
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 5: was crazy. I forgot it was nine people that died.

859
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 5: So you just add up all of the pain he

860
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 5: has caused. I think he got off easy. I'm sorry,

861
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 5: dragging Cassie across the floor like a rag doll, beating

862
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 5: her up. I'm like, they just charged them wrong.

863
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 7: What should his charges? What should they have been?

864
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 5: Assault? Battery? You know? I mean, like they didn't charge

865
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 5: anything like that, So they didn't give the jury enough

866
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 5: to convict them on, Like was there some in California?

867
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 5: So there you go, there you go. I don't know

868
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 5: what you could have charged them with. I don't know,

869
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 5: but I don't think Rico was going to work like

870
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 5: I don't think they had that. But I think he

871
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 5: got off easy based on with you, based on just

872
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 5: if everything in that dock is true, he got a license.

873
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: You think politicians need that type of spectacle moving forward

874
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: in order just to cut through.

875
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, the attention economy thing is real, Like it's real,

876
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 5: Like Americans have been trained on a certain kind of

877
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 5: attention and they lose their very short attention spans and

878
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 5: people can't pay attention to stuff. Although I'm surprised, Like

879
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 5: we do a two hour show and we used to

880
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 5: be one hours, And I'm like, are people going to

881
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 5: sit and listen to ours? And literally people will sit

882
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 5: and listening to Like people actually have a longer attention

883
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 5: span than we give him credit for, you know this show.

884
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 5: You know what I mean. People will listen for a

885
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 5: while if they're interested in what you're saying. So people

886
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 5: can have a long attention span. But for politicians it's increased.

887
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 5: From Kennedy on. They need celebrity. You know, Kennedy beats

888
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 5: Nixon because he's a celebrity. I mean, he's a celebrity.

889
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 5: He's young, he's good looking. The other guy's old and sweating.

890
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 5: You know, you can't beat that, you can. And then

891
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 5: Bill Clinton he's out there playing the SAgs of hoone

892
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 5: like he's entertaining, and it just gets Ronald Reagan actor

893
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 5: and it's like we keep on pushing the politicians. Obama,

894
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 5: you know, Obama's out there sinking threes and you know

895
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 5: he got you know, will I am making a song

896
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 5: about his jugu listen, and it's like, now we've like

897
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 5: and then you get to Trump, who's like a literal

898
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 5: celebrity who's from the Apprentice, and everybody's like, I know him,

899
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 5: even though everything about the Apprentice was false, like he

900
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 5: was broke when he did the Apprentice, but nobody knew

901
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 5: to act like he was rich, and it's like, no,

902
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 5: he was actually broke, so no one knew. It's just

903
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 5: and it's so artificial that I'm like, what are we

904
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 5: going to have to do? Look what Gavin is doing.

905
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 5: Gavin Newsom is like, got it, understand the assignment. I

906
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 5: need to be entertaining. I need to be atroll because

907
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 5: he knows that's the way to win.

908
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: So have we fully crossed into spectacle politics where entertainment

909
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: value outruns policies?

910
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 5: Unfortunately? I think so yeah, I don't know how we

911
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 5: go back. Can you imagine just like a normal nerdy,

912
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 5: like smart politician winning. I can't imagine that Mam Donnie

913
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 5: was entertaining as helf His ads were so entertaining, like

914
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 5: you've got to be authentic and entertaining. That's what people need,

915
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 5: that's what people want.

916
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 6: How do right now in this moment, how does Mandani

917
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 6: or whoever use what's happened in New York with Diddy

918
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 6: to further whatever did he So he's locked up now, right,

919
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 6: but there's gonna be conversations about if he gets in

920
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 6: a pill, if he comes home.

921
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 7: Is there a way that they use this moment.

922
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 6: I'm donnie whoever politically to further what they have going on,

923
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 6: because there are still a lot of people who feel like,

924
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 6: did he wasn't charged the way he should have been.

925
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 6: There are people that feel like it's unfair that he

926
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 6: even has an appeal.

927
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 7: Conversation, which is his legal right, Like there's a lot

928
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 7: of people still.

929
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: Upset to do that.

930
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 6: Well, this politician is in general like using this moment

931
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 6: because it's so big, like.

932
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 5: Trump, and I'm just assuming he's he's already writing that check.

933
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 6: Like when Mayor Adams took the keyback, people were pissed.

934
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 6: They're like, he took too long to do that, and

935
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 6: if he had moved faster, it would have made a difference.

936
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 6: Like I guess I'm just asking in general, how do

937
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 6: you capitalize off a moment like this if we need

938
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 6: those spectacles and politics.

939
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, the thing is, you have to remember,

940
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 5: like I think, the only reason that Cassie was able

941
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 5: to do her lawsuit in the first place is because,

942
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 5: you know, the New York State. New York State opened

943
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 5: up that that law that allowed you to do back cases.

944
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 5: They opened up the statute of limitations e g. And

945
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 5: Carroll gets in there first, actually wins a case against Trump.

946
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 5: That's how that opened it up, and then she, you know,

947
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 5: all of these other cases, including Cassie's, followed. So I

948
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 5: think there's a public policy conversation. Opening that up was

949
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 5: actually a big deal because it did allow women who

950
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 5: were too scared to come forward back in the day,

951
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 5: and a lot of this was in the nineties. A

952
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 5: lot of this was in like you know, that era

953
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 5: when it was kind of open season on women and

954
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 5: you know, in entertainment unfortunately, but they were able to

955
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 5: then get their cases heard because they were from the nineties.

956
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 5: More of that kind of public policy he probably needs

957
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 5: to happen, I would say that would be what it is,

958
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 5: because there's nothing you Trump is probably gonna parten. We

959
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 5: know he's right in the check to get his pardon, right, Like,

960
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 5: as soon as that check leers or the money gets

961
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 5: into Trump account or whatever he's doing to get I'm

962
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 5: sure he'll get a parton Because also remember James Comy's daughter.

963
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 5: I believe it was the prosecutor in the case got

964
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 5: she was fired after I fired.

965
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 6: That's what made me think of it, because I thought

966
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 6: about the fact that during it she was fired. That

967
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 6: didn't work out well for the DA's in New York.

968
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 6: It made them look stupid.

969
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 5: But at the same time, Trump hates the Komis so

970
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 5: much that he would almost pardon him just to write,

971
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 5: just to just to crab on her, Like I could

972
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 5: see it, you know. So I'm assuming he gets a pardon,

973
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 5: there's probably nothing we could do. Question for me culturally,

974
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 5: does he get to come back.

975
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 4: We'll come back as what.

976
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 3: I don't know.

977
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 5: That, that was my question I asked, And I'm like,

978
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 5: what does he do when he comes home? Yeah? What

979
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 5: does he do?

980
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

981
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: I don't know what he could come back as, because

982
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it, you know, it

983
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: was the liquor that kept him very relevant. You know,

984
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: that's revolt that's going Yeah, it wasn't the music, right.

985
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what he could I really don't know

986
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: what he could do. I have no idea.

987
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 8: Jokingly, I heard somebody say and they just said it jokingly,

988
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 8: like a few years ago. One of celebrity a few

989
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 8: months ago, one of the celebrities like if he got

990
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 8: to start his own church, like literally, and and it

991
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 8: was a joke, but I mean that's the only thing

992
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 8: he just got to turn completely toward.

993
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 3: He could do poorn. Somebody said that to me too.

994
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: They was like, yo, he might as well lean off

995
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: all the way into start a website that's like an

996
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: only fans call him back boy, and people on there

997
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: just doing wild freaking stuff, don't I don't know, But.

998
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: I will say too that as a culture, we're very

999
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: forgiven when it comes to people.

1000
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think.

1001
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 4: Celebrity give people quick. They forget when people do.

1002
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 5: You see they the jury is like a superman. She

1003
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 5: was a superman.

1004
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 3: What's wrong with you?

1005
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 5: Girl?

1006
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 8: I think she was with number three or whatever she was.

1007
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 8: She was such a fan. And my thing is like,

1008
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 8: how was she able to stay on.

1009
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 5: The junior jury?

1010
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 6: But even the jurors that like the other guy in

1011
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 6: the doctor said he didn't know what was and during

1012
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 6: jury selection, they were asking celebrity and they hes trying

1013
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 6: to make sure that like you didn't know as much

1014
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 6: to see how much you knew. In my mind, I'm thinking,

1015
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 6: even if you walk in here not knowing who he is,

1016
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 6: if all of this is happening, you can tell they're

1017
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 6: going out their way to make sure you don't understand celebrity.

1018
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 6: You're going to start being like, Okay, what's the selection

1019
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 6: They're not They're.

1020
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 5: Going home and everybody's like, oh my, the case you're

1021
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 5: on it, you know what I mean? Like they didn't

1022
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 5: even squashed the jury, like they built that for him.

1023
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 5: But that's what I'm saying. That is the level of

1024
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 5: privilege he had that he literally he's been getting away

1025
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 5: with stuff so long he knew he would. I mean,

1026
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 5: the fact that you have cameras follow when you're around

1027
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 5: every day and then don't think you should pay them.

1028
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: That was crazy.

1029
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 5: That's that's crazy, Like that's a level of arrogance.

1030
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 8: That's insane, because we wouldn't even have this doc page

1031
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 8: the video, just.

1032
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 5: Pay the videographer, Like do you not understand that they

1033
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 5: own that footage? So it's like just the arrogance. So

1034
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 5: I don't know where he would come back, but I

1035
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 5: think he would have the I feel like he would

1036
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 5: have the balls to try to come back. I'm trying to.

1037
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 8: Still got such a fan base. People are like hating

1038
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 8: fifty cent. People are not believing anything like.

1039
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 5: Cent didn't make the film right, like it's not the Executiveroducer.

1040
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 8: But like his he got that man got a strong

1041
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 8: cult fand what.

1042
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know what I'm say, I don't know

1043
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: what he can do for money, Like, yeah, I know

1044
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: people will still like him do for money.

1045
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1046
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 6: I think there's going to be something like visually, like

1047
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 6: he's going to try to do like a whole Here's

1048
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 6: what my life was like, here's what I've learned, because

1049
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 6: people will watch. So wherever you could get money off of,

1050
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 6: like people document.

1051
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 5: Has he ever not had an ego? Yeah? You know

1052
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 5: what I mean. Always because it's cripple now was crushed.

1053
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 4: They'll be in your artice that they'll work with.

1054
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 2: And the reason I say that is because if he

1055
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: has a he has an air, they'll just be behind

1056
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 2: the scenes.

1057
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 4: You'll never see him in the face and you look.

1058
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 5: Up but he also has like a hundred losses at

1059
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 5: breaking gonna have to be like who's gay?

1060
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 8: Is the dickens Like, it's gonna have to be somebody

1061
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 8: who's like not afraid, like let's get freaky.

1062
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 5: Is it that the guy is gonna have to.

1063
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 8: Be a young gay guy who like who has been

1064
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 8: taking it, you know? And that is because you can't

1065
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 8: scare a person like that.

1066
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 5: But who also doesn't worry about getting paid. I mean

1067
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 5: the piece about him, not that part paying his people

1068
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 5: the producers that do. I mean like him, had you

1069
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 5: produce a whole album and you got sixty seven dollars

1070
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 5: in your bank account or you having to ask right

1071
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 5: when Craig Man had to said sixty yes, happen to

1072
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 5: ask him for one hundred dollars. This is humiliating. You

1073
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 5: have a Grammy nominator like he was. He was not

1074
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 5: with the I want to say, maybe the worst part

1075
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 5: the whole, the two part Biggie thing shook me for

1076
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 5: like I lost sleep over it. But when that sister

1077
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 5: that was in that dirt Diddy dirty money said I

1078
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 5: need five thousand dollars, yeah, to try to hold on

1079
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 5: to my child, And he said, can't help you and

1080
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 5: then we're doing.

1081
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 4: That like a week later, and said, hey, I need

1082
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 4: you to do this for me.

1083
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 8: And didn't even had the balls to tell her, I

1084
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 8: know you were jumping a casket if a nigga was

1085
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 8: to die right now, And she said yeah, yeah, and

1086
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 8: she did.

1087
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 6: And that goes to what MP's talking about is the

1088
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 6: celebrity thing of it. And I also think because even

1089
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 6: in court, like people would testify and it be at

1090
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 6: the end like but I still love him.

1091
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 7: There's this weird I don't know.

1092
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 6: It's like the celebrity and the lifestyle that he's afforded

1093
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 6: a lot of people. I think people hold on to it.

1094
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 5: It's a very weird attachment.

1095
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: It's a childhood memory too though, right because you figure,

1096
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: for a lot of people the nineties and two thousands

1097
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: of the year they grew up, so they remember so

1098
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: much of it, right, even like you look at all Kelly,

1099
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: are the worst stuff that oh Kelly did. When you

1100
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: hear a song, it brings you back to a moment

1101
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: of time, right, you know. I mean Stepping the Name

1102
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: of Love was the song me and my wife and

1103
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 2: my daughter danced to. So when I hear it, it

1104
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: brings me back there. It doesn't bring me back to

1105
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: the guy that Pete on a young girl, you know

1106
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: what I mean.

1107
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 4: So it's.

1108
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 5: But it's hard for me though, because you know what,

1109
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 5: I love that era. I love that era of hip hop.

1110
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 5: I think it was probably the greatest era hip hop

1111
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 5: is probably ninety three to like two thousand and three,

1112
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like that era was such

1113
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 5: a strong era and hipop. It's such a part of

1114
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 5: my memory. My kids were all born in the nineties,

1115
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 5: so it's like it was a part of even my

1116
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 5: memories of my children, Like this was like part of

1117
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 5: our lot. I mean, when Tupac and Biggie died, I

1118
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 5: was like I cried, like I knew them, you know

1119
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 5: what I mean. But it's like I can't go back

1120
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 5: and listen to Biggie songs without having him all in

1121
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 5: the song. And it turns out sug who everybody thought

1122
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 5: was the villain at the time, he was trying to

1123
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 5: tell us the truth. He's all in the song. So

1124
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 5: I'm trying to listen to Biggie and he's all up

1125
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 5: in the music. You can't escape him. He's made it

1126
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 5: so he meshed himself so much in that music that

1127
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 5: you can't even enjoy it without having me confronted by him,

1128
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 5: which I actually resent because I was not a fan

1129
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 5: of what he did to hip hop. Like you know,

1130
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 5: I love try call quest If you go listen to

1131
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 5: a Tribe song. They got forty samples in the song.

1132
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 5: You have no idea what it is. You have to

1133
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 5: really use your brain and think and figure out what

1134
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 5: of those samples. He would just rinse the whole song.

1135
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 5: It's like, here's a whole song and let me just

1136
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 5: go ahead and rap over it like that was. I

1137
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 5: didn't love that for hip hop at all, and I

1138
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 5: don't love the way he's so enmessed in the music.

1139
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 5: I love, you know it bothers me from home, Brooklyn,

1140
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 5: Brooklyn I grew Yeah, but I moved back to Brooklyn

1141
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 5: when I was eighteen. So I grew up in Denver, Colorado.

1142
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 5: Left when I was two, went to Denver, came back

1143
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 5: at eighteen, and then lived here for a decade. Time

1144
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 5: bad look, but you know what, there's so many bad

1145
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 5: boy artists. I mean, I thought one twelve, well, what was?

1146
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 5: I loved one twelve like a lot. Craig Mac I

1147
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 5: love that, you know, flavor and your remix like this

1148
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 5: is like it's classic music, and I'm you know, but

1149
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 5: it's hard to confront, Like how do I deal with it?

1150
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?

1151
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 3: I mean because as you just said, it's too much

1152
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 3: music attached. You didn't. I can't do that. I'm not

1153
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 3: even trying to go down that road. That's too much.

1154
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: I got to give up Joas, giving up uptown and bad.

1155
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 3: I'm not doing.

1156
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 5: That's the crazy thing in me. I'm I'm such a baby.

1157
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 8: I had no idea until I started working here that

1158
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 8: One twelve was his work.

1159
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 5: I had no idea that the only one who really

1160
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 5: to me escaped the whole clutches was Mary. Like Mary

1161
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 5: came out of it, even though she had a lot

1162
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 5: of challenges. But I mean she had Angelo Lerb like

1163
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 5: she had other people around her. But you think about

1164
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 5: the groups, where are they? Where is one twelve? Where

1165
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 5: is Jodasy? One of the greatest R and.

1166
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 3: B groups was just up there?

1167
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 4: But Joasy, you're.

1168
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 8: Right where his Farns were Bentley. But that's not a

1169
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 8: it's not that's not a single.

1170
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 5: Of all the stuff.

1171
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 4: Farns worth the smartest. Leave me alone. I got my

1172
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 4: kids and my wife my family moved on. He just

1173
00:50:59,400 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 4: moved on.

1174
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 5: He wasn't even in it.

1175
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: What did you think about going back to Trump? About

1176
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: him getting his peace prize.

1177
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 4: Up and down?

1178
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 5: It's the fun to me, this is the funniest story.

1179
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 5: This is what we're doing tonight on the show because

1180
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 5: I find this to be the most hilarious thing. This

1181
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 5: poor man is living his bucket list. I'm like, I

1182
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 5: don't know if he's sick or not well, but he

1183
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 5: really is doing like a bucket list thing where he's like,

1184
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 5: I have all these things. I want to be a billionaire.

1185
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 5: They're like, here man has some crypto like they're just

1186
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 5: feeding him stuff on his bucket list to make him

1187
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 5: happy because they just want him to just be happy.

1188
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 5: So he's staying playing traffic while they run the country. Right.

1189
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 5: This man wanted to Nobel Peace Prize so badly he

1190
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 5: couldn't get it. He's like I've saw twelve vords, like no,

1191
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 5: you haven't. And he's so needy and pathetic that he

1192
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 5: wants a peace prize and FIFA knew how to play him.

1193
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 5: They are like, we'll just invent a peace prize. Let

1194
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 5: me just give it to you. Because literally they are

1195
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 5: one of the most corrupt organizations in history. If you

1196
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 5: love soccer, FIFA is mad corrupt, really crazy corrupt. There's

1197
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 5: so many scandals and bribery scandals about like who gets

1198
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 5: the World Cup and what cities get it and a

1199
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 5: bribery like FIFA is scandalized for years for being corrupt.

1200
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 5: The man who runs FIFA comes over and hands Trump

1201
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 5: made up gold medal. You know, like when you like

1202
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 5: somebody just want you to come to an event and

1203
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 5: they give you an award, and that award is you

1204
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 5: the first one to get it right, because they just

1205
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 5: wanted you to come. Get you.

1206
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 6: The La Times was saying that a part of them

1207
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 6: making it up too is because they're trying to make

1208
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 6: sure that they don't have like interference with a lot

1209
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 6: of the stuff they have coming in, Like they're trying

1210
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 6: to make friends with.

1211
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 5: Him because when so, the World Cup is coming in

1212
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 5: twenty twenty six to the United States. It's gonna be

1213
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 5: in the Canada, Mexico and the US. Trump had already

1214
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 5: threatened they're gonna have ice at the games, because who

1215
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 5: plays in a World Cup? A lot of Latin you know,

1216
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 5: a lot of Africans, a lot of it's a lot

1217
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 5: of black and brown people. Most of the stars are black,

1218
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 5: even in like the French team, all the stars are black.

1219
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 5: Like all the Italian teams, all the stars are black.

1220
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 5: So you're talking about a lot of black and brown

1221
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 5: people coming here to play soccer, and they're going to

1222
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 5: be in all these different cities. He's threatening to take

1223
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 5: the World Cup match games away from blue cities. He

1224
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 5: doesn't like if they don't let him do immigration stuff.

1225
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 5: He's throwing all the threats out, the usual Trump shit,

1226
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 5: and so the reaction of FIFA is they don't want

1227
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 5: the World Cup disrupted. So they're like, here's how we

1228
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 5: can tame him. We'll just give him a fake prize

1229
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 5: that we made up for him. It's pathetic. It's like

1230
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 5: the most pathetic thing a president has ever done. It's sad.

1231
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 5: It's like in order, and he's so.

1232
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 3: O I'm so honored.

1233
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 5: Let me just accept, let me put it on right now.

1234
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 5: I don't even want to wait. I'm gonna put it

1235
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 5: on me right now. And it's like, dude, that's not

1236
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 5: a real peace prize. It's not real. They've made it up.

1237
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 5: But he's so glorified, he feels so glorified.

1238
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: It's empathetic when you think about the public conversation that

1239
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: was around you know, Biden's you know age, and you're

1240
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: starting to be a public conversation around Trump's age and

1241
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: stamina and stuff like that. Are we having an honest

1242
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 1: enough conversation about age and leadership?

1243
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 5: No? I mean, and first of all, they're just I'm like,

1244
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 5: where is Jake Tapper on this? This dude is sundown ing.

1245
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 5: We had a guy on who's who's the founder of

1246
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 5: duty to Warn? John Gartner? Doctor John Gardner. He's a psychotherapist.

1247
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 5: This is this is what his specialty is, and he

1248
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 5: is like, from a clinician's point of view, this man

1249
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 5: is sundowning. He has cognitive decline that you can see

1250
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 5: screaming at reporters, calling people piggy, yelling at them like

1251
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 5: this is like not even how he used to be

1252
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 5: ten years ago. His his his sort of verbal acuity

1253
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 5: has gone down. His the sort of range of words

1254
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 5: in his you know that he can access in his

1255
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 5: vocabulary has been decreased. Like he clearly is in the

1256
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 5: cline and no one is sounding along that they did

1257
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 5: with Biden. Biden with shambling and shuffling and we could

1258
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 5: see it was all but with Trump, like the decline

1259
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 5: is like in your face and we're not having this

1260
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 5: conversation and we're not saying do we trust him with

1261
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 5: the button?

1262
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 3: Yeah? I wonder that's a good point.

1263
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: I wonder what trump the difference between Trump and Biden

1264
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: Biden was in office and was campaigning again, I wonder

1265
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: if we saw this on the campaign trail, what the

1266
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: conversation would have.

1267
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 5: Been, Like, I mean, but we did see it on

1268
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 5: the campaign trail. With Trump, it's just that everyone would

1269
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 5: stay and watch him. So like he did a Fox interview.

1270
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 5: Do you remember the interview he did? It was like

1271
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 5: a barbershop type of thing. It was like he was

1272
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 5: in like a like a barber shop sort of situation

1273
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 5: and he's talking to all these different and it was

1274
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 5: like really cut short on Fox. But if you watch

1275
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 5: the longer clips, he's just rambling. Like if it was

1276
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 5: your grandpa, you would be like you need your medications

1277
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 5: or then you know, like this guy works from noon

1278
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 5: to five pm. That's a five hour day. The presidency

1279
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 5: is like a twenty four hour day job. He works

1280
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 5: five Clearly, the marks on his hands, the cankles, he's

1281
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 5: not well, and that's like no one wants to They

1282
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 5: were pretending that he's not declining before us, and he

1283
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 5: has three more years at least, and he wants to

1284
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 5: stay in and be he claims he gonna run again

1285
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 5: at twenty twenty eight.

1286
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: Would give me another ridiculous conversation. I don't even if

1287
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: people should be entertaining that conversation. Like that's when I

1288
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: get mad at media because I'm like, stop having that conversation.

1289
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: Let people know this cannot can't happen. Unconstitutional, Right, it's

1290
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: against the law, except.

1291
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 5: If he just stayed in office. Who loan check and

1292
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 5: move but the military. But that's the.

1293
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 8: Thing saying that he can't do it. What other things

1294
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 8: that we not know that he can't do that, he's

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Speaker 8: just doing them.

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Speaker 5: So it's like that's what I worry about.

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Speaker 8: Some people are scared maybe he is going to run again,

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Speaker 8: because yeah, by law, you can't.

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Speaker 5: You can't run more than twice, right, you cannot run.

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Speaker 5: He can't even run as vice president because he would

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Speaker 5: be eligible to be president if anything happened to the present,

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Speaker 5: Like he can't do any of it. But my question

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Speaker 5: is maybe he just stays. I mean, the last time

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Speaker 5: he tried. If you think about what he did in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, he didn't try to run again. He

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Speaker 5: just tried to not leave. Yeah hmmm, So I mean

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Speaker 5: he did try this before, and now he got away

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Speaker 5: with that pardoned all the people who helped him try

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Speaker 5: to He tried to just not leave. So why wouldn't

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Speaker 5: he try it again now that he's been affirmed by

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Speaker 5: the Supreme Court that there was nothing wrong with that,

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Speaker 5: that he cannot commit a crime, that he can kill

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Speaker 5: someone with Seal Team six and he literally is killing

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Speaker 5: boats with Seal Team six, which is what the Supreme

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Speaker 5: Court that he could do. They said he could sell pardons.

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Speaker 5: He's doing that, we think. I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 5: if he's selling them, but somebody's selling his transacting money

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Speaker 5: for pardons to happen. He's doing whatever he wants. So

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Speaker 5: if he decides I'm gonna repeat my twenty twenty one

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Speaker 5: thing and just not leave, Hugo, check them boo. I'm

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Speaker 5: just wondering who's going to be that person that's gonna

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Speaker 5: check him. I'm not sure not the Supreme Court. Won't

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Speaker 5: they just be like, you know, we read the Constitution

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Speaker 5: and we realized that maybe Trump could just stay like,

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Speaker 5: are they going to stop them? That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: In the early stages of democratic collection.

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Speaker 5: Yes, a Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: Birthday show Monday, Wednesday and Friday sixty eight pm. And

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Speaker 2: what's your happy birthday? While she's stressing the South, have

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Speaker 2: mery man. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 5: This was fun. This is a perfect way to talk

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Speaker 5: my birthday. Stress them other folks out there joined me.

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Speaker 3: And where can they watch the show Joy?

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Speaker 5: They can watch it on YouTube at the joy readshow

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Speaker 5: dot com and today the subtect is joyaneread dot com.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, it's the Breakfast Club. Good Morning every

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Speaker 4: day a week ago.

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Speaker 3: Breakfast Club. Y'all done.