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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: I promise we will get to the UFO story in

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Speaker 2: a moment. Eric, I'm curious about how things kind of

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Speaker 2: roll for a kung fu CEAFU like you, with the

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Speaker 2: skills that you have, you find circumstances out in regular

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Speaker 2: life where you need to use it to either help

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Speaker 2: someone or diffuse a situation, or even are there times

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Speaker 2: when someone makes the terrible decision to give you serious

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Speaker 2: trouble or try to get into a fight.

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Speaker 3: Well, I haven't had to use it in any physical

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Speaker 3: application in quite some time, fortunately, And I promise to

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Speaker 3: stop fielding challenge matches a long time ago. But it's

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Speaker 3: more applying the principles in a conversational and energetic way

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Speaker 3: to dealing with adversity when things come up, and dealing

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Speaker 3: with difficult people, different difficult energies. And and I kind

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Speaker 3: of look at it in terms of like the Chinese

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Speaker 3: five elements, And when somebody throws a fire energy at you,

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Speaker 3: it's very easy to get caught up in the ego

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Speaker 3: of it and throw fire back at them, and then

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Speaker 3: the result is you have a bigger fire. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: discipline right, discipline, yes, and the discipline of being able

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Speaker 3: to say, okay, what's the bigger pictures to put out

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Speaker 3: the fire? So I'm going to step to the side

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Speaker 3: and pour some water over this thing and get on

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Speaker 3: with my life. Life's too short.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned that you don't do challenge matches anymore. Is

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Speaker 2: that sort of how it rolls in the martial arts circles?

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Speaker 2: Do are their discussions and matches where different types of

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Speaker 2: disciplines and competitions between the different kinds, you know, where

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Speaker 2: somebody says I can take I know, judo, I'll take

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Speaker 2: care of wing chun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I kind of grew up and within the martial arts

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Speaker 3: and maybe what was sort of the last remnant of

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Speaker 3: that era where that was still normal. Would go around

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Speaker 3: to different martial arts academies and you know, you just

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Speaker 3: asked to spar their black belts and it was just normal.

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Speaker 3: And in between classes or on the break or whatever,

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Speaker 3: we go in and you'd pit your skill against them

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Speaker 3: and you want to have an opponent to test yourself with.

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Speaker 3: Tournaments kind of tick the box a little bit, but

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Speaker 3: there's rules and it's kind of constraining. But then when

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Speaker 3: we got more advanced within the system that the tide

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Speaker 3: kind of flipped, and then we had people coming to

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Speaker 3: us and specifically Seafood, and then the protocol was that

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Speaker 3: if somebody challenged Seafood, then he deserved the right to

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Speaker 3: like deflect it to the senior student that was there,

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Speaker 3: and then they would have to fight me or whoever

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Speaker 3: it was, the senior student, and then if they beat

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Speaker 3: me or the senior then they could earn the right

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Speaker 3: to touch hands with the grandmaster kind of thing. So

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Speaker 3: sometimes I was put in that position. Other times, see

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Speaker 3: if you would just say, I'll deal with it and

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Speaker 3: make short order of his adversary and then get back

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Speaker 3: to whatever he was doing.

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Speaker 2: You had told me that wing Chun is designed in

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Speaker 2: a sense to kind of end things quickly, get it

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Speaker 2: over with, and I would think that doesn't always work

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Speaker 2: for movies. They want to stretch out the fights in

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Speaker 3: Correct and trying to find the balance between that and

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Speaker 3: ultimately when it goes into the movie realm, you're in

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Speaker 3: service of the story and the character, and we look

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Speaker 3: at it as physical dialogue. There's an objective, there's obstacle,

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Speaker 3: and then in the process of trying to bypass that obstacle.

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Speaker 3: What does this reveal of the character? And especially working

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Speaker 3: with Robert over the years in my collaborations with him,

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Speaker 3: he's so much coming from that perspective. So you just

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Speaker 3: look at it from a character journey and you give

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Speaker 3: over to it as storytelling. And it's become like a

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Speaker 3: switch in my brain where I just I flipped the

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Speaker 3: practical realistic scenario off and say, Okay, how can we

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Speaker 3: use this toolbox to service the story.

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Speaker 2: I know you don't want to boast about encounters or incidents,

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Speaker 2: but there have had to been somewhere you're out in

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Speaker 2: real life and somebody who's hassling some lady and you

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Speaker 2: have to step in and they're foolish enough to mess

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Speaker 2: with you. I know now people would know that would

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Speaker 2: be a bad idea, But have there been situations like

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Speaker 3: Who told you that? How did you know? Yeah? One

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Speaker 3: maybe I shouldn't have because they were boyfriend girlfriend and

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Speaker 3: of situations are very sticky because you never know what

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Speaker 2: I have been in that exact situation. It's been a

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Speaker 2: long time, but yeah, I know what you mean. What

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Speaker 2: do you make of UFC mixed martial arts competitions with

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Speaker 2: just bare knuckle brutal fights and the octagon. Are you

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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting, you know. I yes and no, but

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Speaker 3: mostly yes because you know, bare knuckle competition against yourself

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Speaker 3: weren't wearing gloves and there were fewer rules. That was

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Speaker 3: closer to the way we train. But and SIFA tried

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Speaker 3: and it's not where getting into but it didn't pan

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Speaker 3: with a few of US seniors at the time. So

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Speaker 3: there's fundamentally anybody that is willing to live the type

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Speaker 3: and do that to yourself with absolute respect because I

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Speaker 3: understand full well what that requires, and no matter what fundamental.

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Speaker 3: Then where it starts to get a little murky it

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Speaker 3: for me when as especially as I get older, I

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Speaker 3: take great responsibility with the skill and it's kind of

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Speaker 3: never have to use it ever, And it's about respect.

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Speaker 3: The system itself comes from a Zen Buddhist monastery in China,

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Speaker 3: And yet it's a lethal martial arts So this dichotomy

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Speaker 3: I've struggled with my entire martial arts life. So on

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Speaker 3: but then there's ultimately it comes from the perspective of

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Speaker 3: more of a turnoff. And when you see people come

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Speaker 3: that's still very interesting for me to see and these

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Speaker 2: It just seems like in life as you learn as

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Speaker 2: if they want to be, don't boast about it. They

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Speaker 2: don't go around telling people how tough they are. The

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Speaker 2: people that claim how tough they are aren't always that tough. Right.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to judge a book by its cover.

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Speaker 3: I've certainly learned that lesson the hard way, and I've

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Speaker 3: also been on the opposite end of that. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell the UFO story now. So back

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Speaker 2: when I had first started down this road, I'm doing

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Speaker 2: these stories and I basically put out an appeal to

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Speaker 2: to share it with us. But I was hoping to

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Speaker 2: what he and your mom had seen but melt Charleston

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Speaker 2: something I think he described as big as the Enterprise,

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Speaker 2: And it took courage in those days for a guy

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Speaker 2: it opened up the floodgates for me. Helped me out

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Speaker 2: a lot. And I did not realize until you and

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Speaker 2: Did your dad and mom tell you about their sighting? B?

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Speaker 2: Can you share with us the story about what you

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Speaker 3: Yes, and yes, I learned. I didn't absorb my dad,

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Speaker 3: referring to that that was just wild. We were going

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Speaker 3: So I'm driving up we're all going to a movie.

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Speaker 3: So I look up and we see this bell shaped,

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Speaker 3: And we all reacted to that. I was like, whoa

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Speaker 1: Like you know whatever.

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Speaker 3: The speedmen were going up Summerland, and so it went

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Speaker 3: guess you'd say, what it be its feet, and that

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Speaker 3: And then this fog bank appeared over to this development

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Speaker 3: you know, sir, we don't do fog. We don't get fog,

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Speaker 3: and so where did that fog come from? And the

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Speaker 2: it for days?

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Speaker 1: What do you make of it?

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Speaker 3: For years, we still talk about it, And I don't

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Speaker 2: The fact that your mom and dad, the fact that

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Speaker 3: Yes, all things my fact, and I think she got

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Speaker 3: What exactly is the nature of it. You're the experts, sir,

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Speaker 3: I am simply the novice.

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Speaker 2: Well, it must have made an impression on you to

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Speaker 2: your parents knew. The cow had just come from a

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Speaker 2: This is in nineteen ninety three. It was carved up

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's so interesting and the cryptids and critters

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