1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Mark mass Show, 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: where we're talking about the decentralized revolution, of course, each 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: and every week, looking at through the lens of politics, finance, 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: and technology, and that technology is of course bitcoin that's 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: changing the world. You know. I'd like to bring to 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: you some education to change the way you think about money, 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: some late breaking news you can see the play by play, 8 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: and of course some interesting guests. You don't have to 9 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: listen to me all the time. And today I am 10 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: joined by Ben Askern. He is an Olympian, an MMA champion, 11 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: and yeah he's also a bitcoiner. Ben, thanks so much 12 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: for joining me today. 13 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thanks for having me. I feel like a 14 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: veteran bitcoinner now because I've been in since twenty seventeen, 15 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: and that's you know, in the beginning, it felt like 16 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 2: I was late, which I think everyone thinks they feel 17 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 2: like they're late. But now I feel like a veteran. 18 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. I had the very first interview I did in studio, 19 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: I had Mike Tyson in here and I said, did 20 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: you really say, you know, everyone has a plan take 21 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: a punched in the face, And he said he did. 22 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: And so in regards to that, I mean, you're an 23 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: MMA athlete, olympian even punching the face a bud. Is 24 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: that sort of like going through these bear markets that 25 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: you've gone through now a couple of times. 26 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's great because now, yeah, I'm at the 27 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 2: point where it is kind of like numb. I actually 28 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: don't look at the price all that often. I'm not 29 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: gonna sell. It's not going to phase me. You know. 30 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: I didn't sell the first time around though, either, And 31 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: I got in kind of like when everything was going 32 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: nuts in twenty seventeen, and I watched it rise to 33 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 2: the top and I probably you know, say three or 34 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: four x whatever money I put in, and then obviously crashed, 35 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: and I watched it crash, and then the second time around, 36 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I think that's gonna happen again. 37 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: And I had a plan to sell in the quarter 38 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: four of twenty twenty one and then reby at the bottom, 39 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: and I just didn't think sixteen nine was gonna be 40 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: the top. So I never sold anything. And then you know, 41 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: when it started going down, I'm like, well, I guess 42 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna just keep holding, and uh, you know, 43 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: now I'm sure next bull market I'm gonna time it right. 44 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna sell a little bit and then'm gonna rebuy 45 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: the bottom. Not too much much, just a little bit. 46 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: You know, I have the same story now I'm I'm 47 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: going to you know, been full disclaimer. I'm the same 48 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: I held after the twenty seventeen bull run and into 49 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. However, I'll admit I did have a little regret. 50 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: I was like, dang, look how much I could have 51 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: had if I was tolled back. And now it's like 52 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: and you know, then it was like will it ever 53 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: come back? You know, did I miss my one chance? 54 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: And will it? Will it never come back? Sort of 55 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: a thing. And then exactly just like you you know, historically, 56 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: which is not a lot of history, but the market 57 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: kind of peaks at eighteen months past having which put 58 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: it in November of you know, twenty twenty one, and 59 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: it was like, no, this can't be it. It's got 60 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: to be one hundred and twenty one hundred and fifty. 61 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: No way, it's at sixty five. So, you know, Michael 62 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: Saylor with is like all your all your models are broken, 63 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: so to speak. The institutional adoption, No, this can't be it, 64 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: And sure enough, November twenty twenty one, like right on 65 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: the money, you know. 66 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I figured this time, you know, because 67 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 2: there's also like, well will the cycle model break or 68 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: we'll would be a longer cycle. You know, there was 69 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: all those narratives in the last cycle, and now it's like, well, 70 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 2: you know, it's eighteen months past having this time, I'm 71 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: going to sell some. I'm not gonna sell that much. 72 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: And you know what, if it keeps going up, I'll 73 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: probably still be happy anyways, and that goes down, then 74 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: I'll be prepared to buy some more. So kind of 75 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 2: either way, I view it as a win. Yeah. 76 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you know, one thing, when you 77 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: if you go to like the bitcoin conference or I 78 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: spoke at bit block Boom a few weeks ago, like 79 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: nobody there is talking about the price, Like there's just 80 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: no not not really a relevant topic of conversation for 81 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: most people. And so it's sort of like this kind 82 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: of like weight and see type of a thing. You know, 83 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: you being an MMA champion, like you've worked hard for 84 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: you know, most of your life to achieve a level 85 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: of success. So I'm sure that's kind of giving you 86 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: like this long term perspective that probably helps you today 87 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: versus like a lot of these like short term like 88 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: gamblers that come in. Would you say that might. 89 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: Be huh, you know, I kind of obviously, you know, 90 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: whether it's wrestling or fighting or anything else. Being an athlete, 91 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: you realize I'm going to have to make some sacrifices 92 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: to have more what I want later. Right. That's a 93 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: kind of mature mindset that sport puts you in, is 94 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to sacrifice now because I want to get 95 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: something later, which is kind of the same thing with this. 96 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: But I think also the more the more and more 97 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: I read about bitcoin, I told you my goals read 98 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: fifty books this year, and obviously quite a few of 99 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: them have been bitcoin books. You just realize what's wrong 100 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 2: with the Fiat system, and you realize what's wrong with money, 101 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: and you realize bitcoin is just a better money than 102 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: anything else that they've made before. And I can't guarantee 103 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: you it's going to win, but I think it has 104 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: the best chance. And so if I just hold on 105 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 2: long enough, I'm probably gonna be doing pretty well. 106 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you were saying that, I love this quote 107 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: from Muhammad Ali and he said suffer now and live 108 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: and live the rest of my life as a champion. Right, 109 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: so sort of that embraced the suck today, right. Yeah, 110 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: you know, I think in regards to that, it is 111 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: certainly better. Now, the best product doesn't always win, and 112 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: so typically un CD incumbent, you have to be way 113 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: better than just better. And so that's why I like 114 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: a better version of Twitter, better version of whatever. That 115 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: doesn't really gain traction, but when you're a thousand times better, 116 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: it does. And I think that's what bitcoin is, right, 117 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: It's a thousand times better, and a lot of people 118 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: don't realize it, but like, you know, what's the utility. 119 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: It's like, well, if you need to send money to 120 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: somebody in Afghanistan, there's utility, right, if you live in 121 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: North Korea, like there's utility in the United States. It's 122 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: hard for us to see that. But it is a 123 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: thousand times better. It can do things that nothing else 124 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: can do. So from that standpoint, I feel like we 125 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: just have to be patient. 126 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:44,119 Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's it, And I think especially especially Americans, 127 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: they kind of don't see a lot of the use cases, right. 128 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 2: I Mean I talked about I traveled to Asia a 129 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 2: bunch because I fought in one championship, and a big 130 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: thing over there is the remittance market. That's the thing 131 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: for most Americans. They don't recognize why it's important on 132 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: you know, without Salvador, it's hugely important. And there's a 133 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: whole bunch of these things are like, well, we're finally 134 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: feeling inflation in America, which I'm sure is not going 135 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: to stop anytime soon. And you know, but you go 136 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: to some place like Argentina where the money doesn't hold value, 137 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: or Turkey, you know, oh wow, well that's another use case. Right. 138 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: So there's all these use cases that are out there 139 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: that I think a lot of Americans don't really recognize yet. Yeah. Yeah. 140 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: When I was speaking of this event a few weeks ago, 141 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: as I said in Austin bit block Boom, talking to 142 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: a bunch of people, and I kind of I just 143 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: kind of had this realization that unfortunately, the saying is 144 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: smooth seas never made a skilled sailor, right, success is 145 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: a horrible teacher. And so because we don't have that 146 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: problem with our money here, most times people are just like, 147 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: what do we needed for? And like we almost need this, 148 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: I don't I don't want it. Unfortunately, I think this 149 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: is where we're going. But we need this adversarial take 150 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: of where the government. You know, the more the government's squeeze, 151 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: the more they try to censor, the more Bitcoin shines. 152 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: And so unfortunately we need that for bitcoin to re 153 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: kind of achieve its potential. I don't want it, but 154 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: but I feel it's coming, and so you know, everyone's 155 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: going to learn at some point. 156 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and those of us who are able to see 157 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: it ahead of time are probably gonna be the ones 158 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: who benefit the most, and both from being able to 159 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: have it and use it when we need it, but 160 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: also from the price is inevitably going to go up. 161 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, how did you first get introduced to it? 162 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: It was one of my college dressing bodies. I was 163 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: actually a fight one of my colle dressing teammates. He 164 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 2: lived in Australia for a while. I was a geologist 165 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: and he would come to my fights when I was 166 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: an Asia a bunch And you know, I had voted 167 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: for Ron Paul in twenty twelve. I had read end 168 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: the FED. I had understood the issue with fiat currency. 169 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of people that get a 170 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: bitcoin right because you hear about it, You're like, wait, oh, 171 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: it can fix this problem, and it can fix this problem. Right, 172 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: And if you don't see, if you don't see any problems, 173 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: if you're not aware of them, then you're like, well, 174 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: I already have money. Do I need a different money? 175 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: Why do I need that? You know? But when you're 176 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: like you've read and the fed or it's like you 177 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: see it, you're like, oh wait. So it was like 178 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: the first aid told me. I'm like, oh, how do 179 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: I get how do I get some of that? 180 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: You know? 181 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: At that point, I think coinbase had something where you 182 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: could only buy like four thousand dollars a week, right, 183 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: and that's uh, you know. So I was buying like 184 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: four thousand dollars a week for a while, and obviously 185 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: I had cointer phase. I bought a bunch of that. 186 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: Went to zero, no did I. 187 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: So like everyone did, and it was funny how hard 188 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: it was, and people talk about and it is a 189 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: little bit hard stealing inaccessible, but like back then, I 190 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: think it was like something called ether delta or something 191 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 2: and you had to, you know, buy ethereum and they 192 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: had to send a set of theoreum somewhere else and 193 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: then you had to send to ether delta and then 194 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: you had to make purchase orders. You know, it was 195 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 2: wild how you get stuff back then. 196 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, same, same kind of thing. And I 197 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: wasn't really aware of the problem. I became a goldbug 198 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: after two thousand and eight. I was on calln the 199 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: FED campaign as well, not on it, but but on 200 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: board with it, and so I was already aware of 201 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: the problem. I thought gold was a solution, and when 202 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: I saw this, I was like, oh, there we go. 203 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: And to your point, you know, most people just aren't 204 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: aware of the problem, so of course they're not looking 205 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: for a solution. If you're just tuning in, you're listening 206 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: to the Mark Moss Show. I'm sitting down with Ben Askern. 207 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: He's an MMA champion, he's an Olympian, and he's even 208 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: a bitcoiner, and he's a Ron Paul fan. Even we're 209 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: running through a whole bunch of stuff. We're going to 210 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: take a very very short break. We're going to be 211 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: right back with more in a second. You don't want 212 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: to miss this. It don't go away. We're going to 213 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: be right back, all right, Welcome back. If you're just 214 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: tune in, you're listening to the Mark Moss Show, sitting 215 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: down with Ben Askern, MMA athlete, a champion Olympian, and 216 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: a bitcoiner. Now, before the break been you were saying, 217 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: how surprising maybe to me and probably most people, being 218 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: a being a meathead wrestler, MMA guy whatever, Like you're 219 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: reading Ron Paul back in like you know whatever, twenty 220 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: ten eleven whatever that was like. And you were telling 221 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: me before we started recording that you're you have a 222 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: goal this year to actually read fifty books. So you're 223 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: actually quite a reader. Yes, why fifty books? I mean, 224 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: what what have you read in the past? I mean, 225 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: have you read twenty five or fifty books a year 226 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: in the past? What's that school all about? 227 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: Let's see, I think I think I can move this. Hopefully, 228 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: I hope I'll mess up the whole podcast. But if 229 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 2: you want to look like my. 230 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: Uh oh, here we go. 231 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 2: Oh you can see my library is over there. 232 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right. 233 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 2: So I've always been I've always been a reader, just 234 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: you know, ever since I was a kid. I in 235 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: the beginning, I liked reading about athletes, athlete biographies, that 236 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: type of stuff, and then you know, you venture down 237 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 2: different rabbit holes. I actually don't even know I could. 238 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: You said, Ben, how'd you get into Ron Paul, start 239 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: reading his stuff, I would say, I have no idea. 240 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: I stumbled upon it one time and and if I think, 241 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: if you're if you're logical, it makes a lot of sense, right, 242 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 2: it resonates with you. And yeah, so I mean went 243 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 2: down that rabbit hole and I voted for Ron Paul 244 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: eight or twelve or somewhere in that time period. You 245 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: know when, man, he would have been the best president, 246 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: or he would have killed it so hard. But obviously, 247 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: you know, as we're seeing, like with RFK Junior, the 248 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 2: government machine, the RNC and the DNC, you know they 249 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: don't want to let outsider candidates into the real races. 250 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: But man, he would have been great. I actually got 251 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: that dinner with him at the l like one convention 252 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. It was the best. 253 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: How do you go from like being a strong Ron 254 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: Paul supporter wishing he could have been president he would 255 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: have been the best to now you threw out RFK 256 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: like is he somebody that you could see yourself voting for? 257 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah. I'm pretty open about my politics. I've voted 258 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: for Donald Trump in twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, and I 259 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: think for me that outsider. It just kind of that's 260 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: That's what I'm feeling, is like we need someone else 261 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: who's outside the system, and Trump was, you know, people 262 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 2: don't like him, but he was absolutely outside the system. 263 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 2: RFK he makes so much sense. I mean, I listened 264 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: to him at Bitcoin Miami and just his speech was 265 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 2: so good and you could tell he fully understand bitcoin. 266 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 2: And we talked about some of the other issues, but 267 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: we didn't talk about the freedom component, and that was 268 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 2: the one he really focused on and he really understands that. 269 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: To you, Vivic is another guy, which he was not 270 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: as compelling as RFK. To me, he was good. He's 271 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 2: actually really good on Twitter, really makes some good points, 272 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: but in person he wasn't quite as good as RFK. 273 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: So yes, I could see myself voting for RFK. I 274 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: don't think they're gonna learn it be the candidate. I 275 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: just don't think that's gonna happen. 276 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: Well, I asked only because I've never I've never voted 277 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: Democrat in my life, but now all of a sudden, 278 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, I could probably vote for r FK too, 279 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: just because to your point, he makes sense and he's 280 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: like pro freedom, Like that's what we want and it 281 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: sort of it sort of highlights this battle of we 282 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: the people versus the government. Right, yes, Like it's not 283 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: left or right, man, I just want someone that's gonna 284 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: like be for smaller government, Like that's such a bad thing, right. 285 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: Vivic's great too. I've had him on the show. He's 286 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: so well spoken. 287 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 2: Man. 288 00:12:58,480 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: That guy is so sharp. 289 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 2: Man, he really sharp. 290 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: You know. 291 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: I'll tell you this is like almost like he was 292 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 2: speaking as friends and no one's listening to this. Is 293 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 2: that I just I got too much of politician y vibes. 294 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: When I listened to Vivid at Bitcoin Miami, it felt like, hey, 295 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 2: he's got a list of eight checkpoints he wants to 296 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 2: hit and it's boom boom boom, boom boom, And it 297 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: kind of lacked the depth that RFK had, you know, 298 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: And so when you had to compare the two, when 299 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 2: you listen to both, it was just like, as a bitcoiner, 300 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 2: RFK was so much more compelling to me. 301 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: I agree, he does come off too polished, where it's 302 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: almost like slimy salesperson. Not that I'm saying that, but 303 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: what I'd say is that Vivic does all that on 304 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: his own, like from memory whereas like RFK had someone 305 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: write a speech for him, Like so like that's like 306 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 1: that's a big difference, so keep that in mind. But yeah, 307 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: Vivid is like his whole thing was like I want 308 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: to challenge everybody. No one shows up with any notes, 309 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: no teleprompters, Let's just go just us Like that's kind 310 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: of his deal. Yeah, but well anyway, it's it's interesting. 311 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about something else. Well, actually, 312 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: before I do, let's just jump back to the books 313 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: for a minute. So fifty books a year. I started 314 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: this thing. It was I was watching breed Love's podcast 315 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: and you had this young kid on that talk like 316 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: five hundred miles an hour, and he was talking about 317 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: like reading and listening at the same time. Wo. And 318 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: so I've started to download audible books and buy them, 319 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: and then I put my headphones. 320 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: In the same book. 321 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: You read and listen at the same time, and I 322 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: can turn the speed up to like three x and 323 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: then because you're reading and at the same time, like 324 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: you're getting like total comprehension. 325 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: And wait, you you can read at three x speed. 326 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: On auible if you listen and read at the same time. Wow, 327 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: So Audible You're listening at three x and then you're 328 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: reading and like it. If you're just listening, it's too 329 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: fast and you can't really comprehend enough. But if you 330 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: can read and listen together, dude, it's pretty amazing. You 331 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: can take a ten hour book and turn it into 332 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: like a movie. It's got two and a half movie. Now, Wow, 333 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: I've never tried that. I do listen to. 334 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 2: It was fifty books between listening and reading, and I 335 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: think it's gonna be twenty thirty splitter somewhere in there. 336 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: I did thirty books in twenty twenty twenty one, maybe 337 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: twenty twenty at some point back then. Yeah, I don't know. 338 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: It's felt like I kind of had a lot of 339 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 2: books on my shelf come January one, and I'm like, 340 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: I'll do something. I think it's gonna be kind of challenging. 341 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: And so here's what I do. And I love throwing 342 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: in the earbuds and you know, working out or I 343 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: have ten acres, so I get the chainsaw and burn 344 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: stuff a lot, and that's a lot of fun for me. 345 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: So you know, throw the earbuds in, listen to a book, 346 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: and go chain saw some stuff. 347 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: Where's ten acres? What state. 348 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: Use, I'm in Wisconsin. 349 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm in California. But we bought a little some 350 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: acres out in Texas and man, it's winter. With the freezers, 351 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: we had all these trees that came down. Oh man, 352 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: there was so much work. 353 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: That's another topic, but it's so much fun. I don't 354 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: know about your life, but I'll tell you about my life. 355 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: My life is I kind of do a lot of 356 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: things where it affects other people, right, and so I 357 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: have a responsibility. And so it's like any decision I 358 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: make is going to get second guests or sometimes have 359 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: questions or I don't have to explain something, and we 360 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 2: just go outside of your chainsaw and just start chopping 361 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: stuff up and no one gives a damn. It's so much. 362 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: Fun, meaning as opposed to be a quan in front 363 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: of like public scrutiny on everything. 364 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, public scrutiny or even like you know, with your business, 365 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: it's like, well you do you know, I run wrestling academies, 366 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 2: and so you know, you make a decision, it's going 367 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: to affect a bunch of people. And then obviously some 368 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: of the people aren't gonna like the decision you make, 369 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: right and then you don't have to explain, well, here 370 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 2: is why I made the decision. And you know, I'm 371 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: sorry you don't don't like it, but that's what it's 372 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: going to be. And you know, when you go outside 373 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: of your chainsaw, it's like you used to get to 374 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 2: go hack some stuff down and burn it and no 375 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: one's going to complain. 376 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I get it. Sometimes it's just like that 377 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: manual kind of work that you can just kind of go, 378 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: kind of get in that zone is somewhat somewhat kind 379 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: of therapeutic. I guess in a sense, what are what 380 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: are a couple of big what? Maybe what's a book 381 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: or two that you would recommend that you've read this year? 382 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 2: Oh oh, now I can get my list out. Let's see. 383 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: I have read quite a few bitcoin books this year. 384 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 2: Let's see books right now I'm really struggling with and 385 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 2: I wrote I bought The Road to Surf Surf on 386 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 2: by Fa High. That's like a red but it's hard, man, 387 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: it's a hard read. It's not easy. Just that the older, 388 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: older form of writing, I feel like it's like really 389 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 2: dense and that one. 390 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: You can't do at three X speed for sure. That's 391 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: like you have to reread the paragraphs a couple of times, 392 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: yea to even catch on what's going on Chapter six specifically, 393 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: I've gone through that one a couple of times because 394 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: he talks about laws and how you need that you 395 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: need to have laws that are easy for everyone to 396 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: understand and they're written and just reading their stone so 397 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: then everybody can plan their life based off of those 398 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: laws as opposed to being arbitrarily applied. It was amazing. 399 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: If you're just tuning in, you're listening to the Mark 400 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: Mash Show. I'm sitting down with Ben ask MMA champion 401 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: Olympian and bitcointerer. We got a lot to cover, like 402 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: a very quick breakdough. Just for a second, we'll be 403 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: right back in a minute. Don't go away, We'll be 404 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: right back, all right, Welcome back. If you just tune in, 405 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: you're listening to the Mark Moss Show, sitting down with 406 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: Ben Askern, MMA champion Olympian and a bitcointerer and an 407 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: avid reader fifty books. Ben, you're about to tell me 408 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: some other books that you read this year that you 409 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: thought were really good. 410 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, if everyone I love discussing this, 411 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: I actually suggest I do a podcast with someone about 412 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: this and we never got around to it. But the 413 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 2: Sovereign Individual, Oh, it's the best, and you know what 414 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 2: he they It is so fascinating because it feels as 415 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 2: though it will so number one pretty He absolutely predicted 416 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: bitcoin ahead of time, like twelve years ahead of time, 417 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: but he predicts so many other things so far ahead 418 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: of time, and it's like, oh my god, this book 419 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: is so good. 420 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I've read it a couple of times. 421 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: I have, like, I have pages of notes that I 422 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: took on that book. And that's another book that you 423 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: can't get through at three X speed. So some of 424 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: these books that are like really information dense, you kind 425 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: of do have to slow down, you know, obviously for sure. Cool. 426 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about something else, something that 427 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm personally wait. 428 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: Were talking about a couple more books first, Oh yeah, yeah, 429 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: you got me all excited. 430 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you got the list. Let's do it. Let's 431 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: do it at the Sovereign Individual though, real quick. Maybe 432 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: we'll do another show follow up. We could talk about it, 433 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: because I got the whole outline. It'd be fun, it'd 434 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: be it'd be very good for the audience because I 435 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: think it's a must read book. But yeah, go ahead hit. 436 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 2: Up a couple of bit well, but this HiT's right 437 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 2: in your bitcoin stuff, right is uh Alex Gladstein. I 438 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 2: read one of his books and he would I listened 439 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: to him speak at the Bigcoin Convention, but uh, hidden 440 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 2: Repression and check your financial privilege. Those were very awakening 441 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 2: for me. Like, you know, I understood, like the government's 442 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 2: bad and they probably done some shady stuff. But then 443 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: you read that and you're like, oh my god, it 444 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 2: was it was even worse than what I thought it was. Yeah, 445 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: so bad, so bad. So those two were good. And 446 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: then you know what other one that I just I 447 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: think it just came out, but it's called the Fourth 448 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 2: Turning is here, which is like a follow up to 449 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 2: the Fourth Turning which was written And I said, and 450 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 2: I know that part resonates with a lot of bitcointers 451 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: because they you know, I just saw Lynn Olden posting 452 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 2: hashtag Fourth Turning today. 453 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have I have Neil Howe, the author of 454 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: the book, coming on tomorrow. 455 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: He's awesome, You're lucky. 456 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: And I've read the first one and I'm like halfway 457 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: through the second one. But too, it's like it's a 458 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: twenty hour book. It's a twenty hour right, so it's like, 459 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: oh man, I'm not quite through it. I haven't gotten 460 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: to the part where he kind of forecasts what's coming. 461 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. So if if I had to complain about the 462 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 2: second book was I felt as though the first chunk 463 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: was kind of like a rehash of a lot of 464 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 2: things he went over the first book, which I guess 465 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 2: if you know, if someone has not read the first book, 466 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: they're gonna want or need that information. And because it's 467 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: necessary to understand how he goes through his process. And 468 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: the other one is that's just it's so hard to 469 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: remember you know, every single age group and then what 470 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: age they're at in their lives and stuff like that. 471 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: That's another tough one. 472 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, so that's a good one. Yeah. 473 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: Those are great books, absolutely, and know what you got? 474 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, let's see. 475 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'm sure you read through so many 476 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 1: because there for day and I'm sure to talk about. 477 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, we could sit there. Those are some fun ones. Yeah, 478 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 2: sovereign individual I have principles of economics another one that 479 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 2: you know, and I would say the Bitcoin standard is 480 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 2: one of my favorites. And you know, I went to 481 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: college for geography because I thought I was gonna be 482 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: a college wrestling coach, and then I ended up fighting 483 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: and I got distracted from college dressing, coaching and pinning 484 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,959 Speaker 2: out back by I never say business, and so I've 485 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 2: kind of like been trying to, like, I don't say, 486 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: learn after the fact, and you know, just reading bigcoinners 487 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 2: version of what business is and how how the economy 488 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: works versus reading and Austria. You know a lot of 489 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: bitcoin economics is Austrian economics. I think. 490 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: So. 491 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's it's been kind of like fascinating seeing their 492 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 2: viewpoint on things versus normal people's viewpoint on things. 493 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: There was this book I read this year called The 494 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: Revolt of the publicis of Authority in the New Millennium. Man. 495 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: I highly recommend that one. I had the author on. 496 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: That was good. Revolt of the Public. That might have 497 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: been the most intriguing book I read this year. Just 498 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: The Infinite Game Simon Sinek, That one's pretty cool. The 499 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: Fourth Turning I'm working on that one right now. 500 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 2: So uh, your your your co host or said, The 501 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 2: Block Size War and the in the in the chat here, 502 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: that was a fun book. Someone's posted about today. But 503 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 2: that was a fun one because I wasn't around for that, 504 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 2: right I came in. I came into bitcoin too late. 505 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 2: Uh so I came in right after that. And now 506 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 2: that was really fun to read about the history of 507 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 2: uh you know, the block size. 508 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: Wars, if you like, if you like the Fourth Turning 509 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: and the sovereign individual? Have you read the End of 510 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: the World is just the beginning Peter's I have not. 511 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: I put oh no, but that guy, wasn't that the 512 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 2: knuckload that was on Rogan saying bitcoin? 513 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? 514 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: He is. 515 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: I had him on my show and he and he 516 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: said the same thing. He's a knucklehead about bitcoin, but 517 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: doesn't change the fact a lot of his research I 518 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: think is really good and compelling. 519 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 2: So why don't you think something like that? Why do 520 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: you think he misses on bitcoin so much? Because and 521 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: this is another like Elon Musk is probably one of 522 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 2: the smartest individuals of planet Earth, but it feels like 523 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 2: he's missing on bitcoin. 524 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: And I think it's an easy answer. I think it's 525 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: actually easy answer. The reason why is what happens is 526 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: the Bible says it's easier for the camell to go through. 527 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: I have a needle than a rich man to heaven. 528 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: And that's because the rich man is so proud, right, 529 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: they know everything. You have to humble yourself. And so 530 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: these smart people, the Elon Musk and the Peter's Ions, 531 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: they know everything. So I look at it for five minutes. Ah, 532 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: I get it, I get it, I get it whatever. Right, 533 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: They had never taken the time to like actually learn 534 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: about it, because as you know, now you've been in 535 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, like you're still learning things about it, right, 536 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: You're still figuring it out. And so they looked at 537 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: it for five minutes they think they understand it, and 538 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: then they're so smart and proud they just stop. And 539 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: so like Elon Musk, I mean, the guy is like 540 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: insanely smart. He's like a rocket scientist, like literally, but 541 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: like he didn't have time to read five books on 542 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: bitcoin like you. He probably hasn't read Ron Paul whatever. Right, 543 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: Peter's Ion. He's sort of like a CIA mouthpiece as well. 544 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: If you've listened to his stuff. He's like the most 545 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: arrogant guy in the world, So rogon, right, And so 546 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: I think that's prevent him, right, Sure, that's my opinion. 547 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: But I don't think, I know, like safety and was like, 548 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: I'll never read anything anything of his ever again. But 549 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: I would say the book the data, it's so full 550 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: of data that like, if you like those two books, 551 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: i'd recommend it interesting. 552 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: Okay, oh yeah, I'll have to check it out. Yeah. 553 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 2: I actually asked a bitcoin Miami. They did the you know, 554 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 2: they did like the whale zone or whatever. It was 555 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 2: like the backstage area, and they were they had some 556 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: like small like fireside chats and when Bill Miller there 557 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: was two Bill Miller's, when the Bill Millers were up 558 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 2: on stage. The question I asked was, and I feel 559 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 2: this to be the case, but anyone who the more 560 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: classically trained someone is like someone who was a Harvard 561 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 2: NBA for example, that I've talked to, the more classically 562 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: trained they are, the more they want to reject bitcoin 563 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 2: as a possibility. Kind I guess it would kind of 564 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 2: speak to you know what you just said or that 565 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 2: comment is like, you know, they feel like they know 566 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 2: it all, they feel like they understand everything, and so 567 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 2: this is something new and they're like, no, doesn't work 568 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: in my paradigm. 569 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: When I had when I had Peter's ion on I 570 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: kind of like led him into this thing where he's 571 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: like explaining how the world's breaking apart and no one's 572 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: gonna trust anybody, and we're gonna have all these different 573 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: factions and global trade is going to suffer and all 574 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: these things and and and I said, so it sort 575 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: of sounds like what you're saying is we need a 576 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: decentralized ledger that nobody could control. Aha, And he goes, yeah, 577 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: but nobody wants that. I'm like, you just went through 578 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: this whole story of how no one's gonna trust each other, 579 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: so like why wouldn't they? Like so the mind is 580 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: like mine makes no sense in that In that regard, 581 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: what he said on Joe Rogan was like an outright 582 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: like it was either a lie or he's just completely 583 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: so ignorant. It was, it was. It was horrible. But 584 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to spend a whole much time talking 585 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: about that is it is a good book, even if 586 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: I don't agree with everything he says. Okay, I did, 587 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: because I want to ask you about something else, something 588 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: else that I'm personally concerned with. You had your Twitter 589 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: account hacked and you got a past and I've been 590 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: locked out of my account for a month. 591 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 2: What a month? 592 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: And I'm like freaking out over here. I'm like a 593 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: ky seed blue check like and like I can't get 594 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: back in, So what happened with your Twitter hack? And 595 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: how the heck, dude, h how I feel I can 596 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: get back in? 597 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: Okay? I feel like an idiot. I felt like an 598 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 2: idiot the fact, so I got I got one of 599 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: those messages that said, uh, you know, do you want 600 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 2: to change your password or whatever? Right? You know you 601 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 2: don't talk about U like someone tried logging on, Like 602 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: oh damn, I'm like, okay, I'll change my password, right. 603 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 2: And then I had some people like I have the 604 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 2: two factor on and I had like some like attempts 605 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 2: on two factor and I'm like what the hell? And 606 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: then one morning I got hacked. So I'm like, hey, 607 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: like I hacked cause I had like the AWA account 608 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 2: and I found this person and they were able to 609 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 2: get me back in right, and I'm like, damn it, 610 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 2: Like was that person that I paid him like one 611 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 2: hundred twenty bucks or something right, like did they just 612 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 2: hack me? And then I pat him one hundred twenty 613 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: bucks and they gave it back to me. And then 614 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 2: like four days later the same thing happens, like the 615 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 2: same process, right, I didn't get hacked, but the same 616 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 2: process happens. And I finally clicked to me. One of 617 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 2: the wrestlers that I coached, his dad is like into 618 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: cybersecurity and everything, and I called him and said, dude, 619 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: why why people? Why are people hacking me? What's going 620 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 2: on here? And he kind of like walked me through 621 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 2: some things. 622 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: Hey, before you, before you, before you tell the answer 623 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: of how you got hacked, I'm going to cut you off. 624 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: If you're just listening and you're listening to the Mark 625 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: mass Show, I'm sitting down with Ben Askrin. He's an MMA, 626 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: an Olympic athlete, and he's a bitcointer, and we're going 627 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: to talk about how his Twitter account got hacked. Don't 628 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: want to miss it. Way back right back with more 629 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: in a minute. Don't go away, all right, welcome back. 630 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: If you just tune in you're listening to the Mark 631 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: Moss Show. I'm talking with Ben Askron. He's an MMA athlete, 632 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: olympian and a bitcointer, and he was just about to 633 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: tell us what a cybersecurity but he told him how 634 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: he got hacked on Twitter. So what was that story? 635 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, So this guy says, well, those are phishing emails, 636 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 2: right the email, click on the email when it came, yes, 637 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: and reset my password. And he said, well, if they 638 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 2: do that, somehow they can skip the two factor authentication, 639 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: you know. So he's like, but then I went back 640 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 2: with an email. I was like, oh my god, it 641 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 2: looks like it looks exactly like the actual Twitter email 642 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: looks like you know when you know, I said, someone 643 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 2: tried logging on from I was Copenhagen or some some crap, right, yeah, 644 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 2: so I fell for it, but I got it back 645 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: for one hundred twenty dollars And all they did was 646 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 2: make a few spam posts and then I deleted it. 647 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 2: I think I hacked by some Russians maybe five years ago, 648 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 2: and they were making a bunch of an outrageous posts 649 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 2: and I'd be like, that is not me. FYI. So yeah, 650 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 2: but it sucks. 651 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: But like, so you think so you think they got 652 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: in because you got the email you clicked on it, yes, 653 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: and then they probably gained it. And then I saw 654 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,479 Speaker 1: you make a post saying I got my account back. 655 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: I paid this guy. Yeah, was that your post or 656 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: was that like a deep. 657 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 2: That was my post? That was my post yeah, and 658 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 2: then so then I was like, well, wait did that 659 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 2: guy hack me? That guy hacked me and then charge 660 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: on hundred twenty bucks? Do you take help back? And 661 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 2: then uh, I said a message like come on, bro 662 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: jue mess with me. I won't tell nobody. And he's 663 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 2: like no, He's like, I'm only a good guy only 664 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: I only help people, blah blah blah. 665 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: How does he get it back? 666 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: Though? I don't know, didn't ask questions. I got it 667 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 2: back everything to find. 668 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: Out when you got locked out? Did they turn the 669 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: two factor authentication on? Like? How could you not get 670 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: back in? 671 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 2: You couldn't really no, I think it takes like it 672 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: when you do something like that, it's like there's a 673 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: forty eight hour per where you can't change the two FA. 674 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 2: So for you know, if I was able to get 675 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: it back, then they had they have to wait to 676 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: change the two FA. 677 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: Okay because somebody. What happened to me was it was 678 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: like a Saturday, a month over a month ago. Now 679 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, my inbox just started getting filled 680 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: with emails. Oh my god, ten twenty fifty hundred thousands 681 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: of emails start coming in. I'm like, what is this 682 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: and I'm like, someone to got my email and sign 683 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: me up on like thousands of newsletters and websites, and 684 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they must be trying to hide something, 685 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: obscure something. I googled it and it looked like there 686 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: was like this an attack. I thought maybe they got 687 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: my credit cards. They're trying to like hide, you know, 688 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: credit card emails coming or something like that. And then 689 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: later that day I tried to go into my Twitter 690 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: and my account was changed. Oh so I was able 691 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: to reset my password, it still came to my email. 692 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: I didn't click on. I never got anything and clicked 693 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: Later when I cleaned my inbox, I found the password 694 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: reset emails. But I was able to reset my password. 695 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: But when they got in, they put on TWOFA. So 696 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: I have my password, I have my email, but now 697 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: TWFA is on my account and I don't know how 698 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: to get a reset. 699 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: Dang, Well, I can't give you this guy's name. I 700 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 2: can't promise you didn't hack me, and they give it 701 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 2: back to me. He might have, but I got my 702 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 2: Twitter back and it didn't cost that much money, So 703 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: I guess I'm good. I know, so annoying, Yeah, but 704 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 2: you know the big, big tech like that. Because I'll 705 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: tell you one for me that I still have been 706 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 2: able to be solved. My Instagram and my Facebook got 707 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 2: disconnected somehow my personal fan pages, you know. Yeah, and 708 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 2: because they have the thing where you can post one 709 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: place and they'll go to both. I paid three different 710 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 2: people to try to reconnect him. They like professionals, they 711 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 2: couldn't do it. So it's like sometimes these big tech platforms, 712 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 2: it's almost like they just get too big and they 713 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 2: can't actually like help people. It's so weird. And especially 714 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 2: like you said, you know, uh KYC blue Check, you'd 715 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 2: think if anyone that they would help, it would probably 716 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 2: be you. But they're just incompetent too big. I don't 717 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: know what the right term is. 718 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but now I'm pissed because I'm paying monthly and 719 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: I haven't used my service for a month and I 720 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: can't log into account and cancel it. And I know 721 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of bitcoiners got hacked as well. Pete Rizzo, 722 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: did Preston pitched? Did I mean strike? 723 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 2: Is he still hacked? 724 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: No? He got he got his account backed. I saw 725 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,719 Speaker 1: just a metallic beuter and just had his Twitter account hacked. Really, 726 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: so some people think that it's like maybe insiders at 727 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: Twitter doing it something, maybe going after prominent people. I 728 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, that'd be weird. Yeah, whatever it is, 729 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: it sucks. I covered a story earlier. We were talking 730 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 1: we were talking earlier about the presidential race, and we 731 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: obviously talked about RFKM vivic. But I did a story earlier. 732 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: The Pentagon did a study and they showed that we 733 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: have a massive national security risk because of people with 734 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: dementia in office having security clearances. 735 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: That stop, that's not real. 736 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, it's real for sure. No. 737 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 738 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: So they said, like Mitch McConnell, who had like his 739 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: second I'm sure you saw that. Yeah, so he holds 740 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: the highest level of security of anyone in Congress, and 741 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: he's part of what's called the Group of Eight, which 742 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: have the most eightfluential, most you know, influential, highest ranking people. 743 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: And so they put up those reports saying that, saying that, 744 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's just a security risk. Like Diane Feinstein, 745 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: I she didn't even know where she's at, Like, who 746 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: knows what secret she's like rambling, Like, what's your thoughts 747 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: on these occagenarians running our country? 748 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I definitely think well, you know, it's even 749 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 2: I don't know Saturday, I tweeted this morning. Sometimes finding 750 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 2: you never know what tweets are going to catch on 751 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 2: which ones don't. These ones did not. But it's like, 752 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 2: these people claim to be in public service, but they're 753 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 2: just getting wealthy off peddling powers. What they're doing, right, 754 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 2: They look at Nancy policies, what Nancy Pelosi's wealth or 755 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren's wealth, and they're making two thousand dollars a year, 756 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 2: but they're worth many, many, many millions. You know, it's 757 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 2: so ridiculous, hundreds of millions. Yes, and yeah, I mean 758 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: Americans don't have any faith in Congress. And the fact 759 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 2: that I mean this is probably the most highlighted fact, 760 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 2: is that these people are literally not competent. Like you 761 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 2: wouldn't trust them to go to the store and get 762 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,719 Speaker 2: you a bunch of items, Like you wouldn't trust them 763 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: to you wouldn't trust Mitch mccallaugh to do anything like 764 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 2: Mitch mccallall hey, uh, watch my kids. You ain't gonna 765 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 2: trust him. He might just fall asleep or forget what 766 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,719 Speaker 2: he's doing, or you don't know, Like they can't do 767 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 2: the most basic of tasks, and yet we want them 768 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: to govern the world or the United States. It's ridiculous. 769 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: What I don't understand when I talked about earlier is 770 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: like I don't care what side of the isl I 771 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: mean I do, like in regard to this conversation, Like 772 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: I don't really care. I just don't understand how anybody 773 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: with a rational brain could be okay with Mitch McConnell 774 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,399 Speaker 1: or Biden or Feinstein. Like, how does anybody vote for that? 775 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: Or do they? I mean, are they just like they 776 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: don't care, They'd rather just put a name in a seat. 777 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 2: It's gotta be they just kind of like feel obligated 778 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 2: to check the box. And you know, in certain certain 779 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 2: municipalities or areas, it's like so strong Democrats or so 780 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 2: strong Republican that there's gonna choose whoever is there. And 781 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 2: then obviously these people probably have powerful people behind them 782 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 2: because they say, hey, I want this thing to happen, 783 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 2: and here's how you're gonna make it happen, and then 784 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 2: boom right, something to that effect. But yes, it's gross. 785 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 2: They should have to prove their competence to occupy the offices. 786 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to say an age limit because there 787 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 2: are some super old people who taking really good care 788 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 2: of themselves and who are really sharp. So age limit's 789 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 2: not fair, but some type a competency test would be great. 790 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Trump appears would be very sharp. I 791 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: saw a video of the other day, like with the 792 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: golf ball, like we threw up the golf balls club 793 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: and I caught it like that was pretty good. But 794 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: I saw and when I was covering the story earlier, 795 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: it's like the average age of a fortune five hundred 796 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: CEO is fifty seven. Yeah, I saw that, Like, no, no, no, 797 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,959 Speaker 1: they're not they're not. They're not hiring these old people, 798 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: and so it's like at some point you have to 799 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: kind of retire. I just think, like, is it is 800 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: it symbolic of where our country is? Like to see 801 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: a president like Biden in office? Is it almost like 802 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: I mean, if they could put anybody they want there, 803 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: why him? And is it like almost like symbolic like 804 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: of like the nation just aging and breaking down? 805 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 2: So to speak? Yeah? I uh yeah, I think there 806 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 2: could definitely be the case. Hey, you want to laugh? 807 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 2: I started to take his totally off topic. You want 808 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 2: to laugh, go watch Shane Gillis he just put a 809 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 2: comedy special. But one of the funniest parts for me 810 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 2: is and I'll just I'll say it a little bit, 811 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 2: but he's like, yeah, we got a President Biden. You 812 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 2: know when he shuts off, he turns into a room. 813 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 2: Ba he starts why he starts wandering on the stage. 814 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 2: It's like, it's like the funniest clip. You got to 815 00:35:59,280 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 2: go check it out. 816 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: Uh I have is that. I think I saw someone 817 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,720 Speaker 1: talking about that. It's like on Netflix they're gonna, yeah, 818 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: they take it down or something like that. It's so 819 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: true a room but I like that. Yeah. I remember 820 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: like he holds his hands out like this, and then 821 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: someone made like the memes of him like taking off 822 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: with like a jet pack or like oh yeah, riding 823 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: like a mule or something like that. The jokes sort 824 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: of right themselves, so funny. Yeah, well hey that's uh 825 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: that kind of wraps it up for us. 826 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 2: Man. 827 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: So good to sit down and talk with you on 828 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: this stuff. Uh, maybe we'll have another show. We'll talk 829 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: about the sovereign individual. I think that'd be great. Let 830 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: let's let know people where they can follow. You got 831 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: a podcast, right. 832 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, well a podcast about wrestling. Uh so if 833 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 2: you're in wrestling. It's sounds full of wrestling, but I'm 834 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 2: sure if you're in wrestling, you probably know about it already. 835 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,240 Speaker 2: I do some segments with Dan Cormier on his YouTube channel. 836 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 2: I tweet a bunch. I'm on Instagram. I don't really 837 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 2: like Instagram that much. I post, you know, once in 838 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 2: a while on there, and uh, I'll be you know what. Actually, 839 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 2: I just committed to go to a Pacific Bitcoin which 840 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 2: is like a month uh in California. That should be fun. 841 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 2: Looking forward to it. 842 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll definitely see you there. I'm going to speak 843 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: at bitcoin at pack Pack Bitcoin, and then I'm going 844 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 1: out to the Bitcoin Amsterdam. I'm excited about that would 845 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: be fun if you just tune in. You listening to 846 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: the Mark More Show sitting down with Ben Askron, Olympian 847 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: MMA champion and a avid reader and a bitcoiner. Uh 848 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: and freshly got his Twitter account back, so go follow 849 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: up on Twitter. That's what got Thanks so much for listening. 850 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: Until next time