Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of The Mark Moss Show,
Speaker 1: where we talk about bitcoin, cryptocurrencies and the decentralized revolution
Speaker 1: that is happening. Of course, each and every week, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to bring to you a little bit of education
Speaker 1: to help you understand what's going on the latest breaking
Speaker 1: news in some of the best and brightest and most
Speaker 1: interesting people in the space, and of course that's what
Speaker 1: we're doing today. I am joined in the studio with
Speaker 1: one of my new friends, Leiah hail Burn Iowa. Thanks
Speaker 1: so much for joining me. Hey, Mark, great to be
Speaker 1: on the show. I'm a big fan of everything you
Speaker 1: do with the education you do, so I'm excited to
Speaker 1: join you. Yeah, it's cool to have you on. UM.
Speaker 1: You had me on your podcast recently that was super fun.
Speaker 1: Then we got to hang out in in Miami for
Speaker 1: the Bitcoin conference, which was amazing, and uh, you decided
Speaker 1: to stay there. I guess right. Yeah. I mean, Miami
Speaker 1: is the land of the Free, It's what America is
Speaker 1: supposed to be. UM, Miami is truly amazing. UM. I
Speaker 1: actually interviewed the Maya um a few months ago, and
Speaker 1: after speaking with him, I just felt so inspired, so
Speaker 1: empowered to just make a better life. UM. And I
Speaker 1: find that the general energy of affluence and entrepreneurship UM
Speaker 1: and empowerment is so encouraging. UM. And it's very unique
Speaker 1: in the world right now because I think that where
Speaker 1: the world is in this weird kind of position whereby
Speaker 1: it's so doom and gloom. You know, we've gone from
Speaker 1: a lockdown to a war um. You know, and that
Speaker 1: came from the riots with racism you know, back in
Speaker 1: and you know, the vaccine US versus them, like it's
Speaker 1: just been NonStop. Whereas down here in Miami it's just
Speaker 1: so um, it's so empowering, it's really refreshing. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: know that's a big draft for you. We've talked about
Speaker 1: that quite a bit obviously. You just said that, right
Speaker 1: seeing this kind of this air of excitement in and
Speaker 1: around freedom and I you you talk a lot about
Speaker 1: money in Cryptocurrey sees, which well we'll get into, but
Speaker 1: just on that freedom peace. UM, it seems like on
Speaker 1: one side, and I'd like your take on this, but
Speaker 1: it seems like on one side, like it's like this
Speaker 1: this this this idea of freedom and being able to
Speaker 1: choose what you want and say what you want is
Speaker 1: like so under attack, and it seems like the mainstream
Speaker 1: media would have us believe that it's dangerous and people
Speaker 1: don't want it, and then they have to they have
Speaker 1: to control it. But on the other hand, it seems
Speaker 1: like there's like this real thirst for it. And what
Speaker 1: I see is that, um, you know, as Bitcorners we
Speaker 1: talked about people respond to financial incentives and it's about
Speaker 1: having skin in the game. And so if we look
Speaker 1: at like the last election, Um, they do polls, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure they do them over in the UK, the saying,
Speaker 1: but they do polls and people just say, oh, this
Speaker 1: is what I'm going to vote for, and those are
Speaker 1: typically like way off. But then there's like betting markets
Speaker 1: where they bet and those are extremely right. And that's
Speaker 1: because people put their money where their mouth is. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of the same what the financial markets are
Speaker 1: as well. And I thought what was interesting is there's
Speaker 1: all this talk about Elon Musk buying out Twitter, and
Speaker 1: it started because he was saying that, hey, there's way
Speaker 1: too much censorship going on. We should have more freedom
Speaker 1: of speech, and uh, you know what, what the heck,
Speaker 1: I'm rich, I'll just buy it and I'll just make
Speaker 1: it free speech. And there's two interesting things that I
Speaker 1: want to get your take on. So one, um, people
Speaker 1: are freaking out because he wants freedom of speech, which
Speaker 1: is pretty interesting. So that would make me think, and
Speaker 1: it's mostly from the elites that make me think, we'll shoot,
Speaker 1: do people really want that? But more importantly, the markets
Speaker 1: seem to have spoken. So since the day that he
Speaker 1: announced he was going to buy it until today, the
Speaker 1: Twitter stock is up fifty so it's like the market.
Speaker 1: So the people are like, we don't want free speech?
Speaker 1: How dare he do this? But then the markets are like, yes,
Speaker 1: we're buying Twitter. It's up fifty percent, which, by the way, Peloton, Zoom,
Speaker 1: Shopify tech stocks are down eight and Twitter. What do
Speaker 1: you make of that contrast? I mean, so we'll start
Speaker 1: with the outrage over Elon Musk buying Twitter. I mean, firstly,
Speaker 1: it's no surprise because unfortunately we live in a world
Speaker 1: which just really um hate freedom of speech, and I
Speaker 1: think that this, Yeah, it's true. Unfortunately some people do. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean when I say live in a world, I
Speaker 1: mean like generally speaking, and we know that to be
Speaker 1: true because of all the censorship that's going on. Um,
Speaker 1: you know whether it's the platform and canceling, um, you know,
Speaker 1: blackening somebody's name and all this stuff. But I think
Speaker 1: that the concerning that, the concerning thing is freedom of
Speaker 1: speech is one of the most empowering things that there is.
Speaker 1: Without freedom of speech, we are not free. Because freedom
Speaker 1: of speech isn't just about physically speaking, right, It's about
Speaker 1: the way you express your money. Um. You know what
Speaker 1: things you have access to, freedom of movement and lots
Speaker 1: of different things. Um. And it's just no surprise that
Speaker 1: this is happening. Um. I think that we also live
Speaker 1: in a world where people don't want to take personal responsibility, um,
Speaker 1: which means they constantly have this sort of victim mentality.
Speaker 1: So words hurt them. So I grew up being told
Speaker 1: that sticks and zones will break your bones, but words
Speaker 1: will never harm you. But that's not true anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not true anymore. So words really upset people. They
Speaker 1: harm people. Words and our violence. Um. And unfortunately, this
Speaker 1: kind of weak mentality has been passed down to us
Speaker 1: from the elite, which is also why the elite don't
Speaker 1: like the freedom of speech that Elon Musk is championing. Right. Um.
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren absolutely hates him. Um. From from what it seems,
Speaker 1: so you have so you have like this that you
Speaker 1: have this this kind of um victim and dependent narrative
Speaker 1: which is being tricked, which is trickling down from those
Speaker 1: at the top. UM. So it's it's no shock. At
Speaker 1: the end of day. Words do not harm you. Um.
Speaker 1: And I'm a huge advocate of freedom of speech because
Speaker 1: people always like to say, well, you know, Hitler was
Speaker 1: able to say whatever he wants it, and it's like, actually,
Speaker 1: that wasn't freedom of speech because if you were against him,
Speaker 1: then you get locked up or killed or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: So that's not freedom of speech. Freedom of speech. With
Speaker 1: freedom of speech, words really do have consequences. This is
Speaker 1: the thing which people are upset about with Twitter. They
Speaker 1: think that words now don't have consequences because you can't
Speaker 1: get banned. Actually, your reputation is the biggest consequence. If
Speaker 1: I went out there and I said something really revolting,
Speaker 1: if I said, you know, whether it was crude sexually,
Speaker 1: whether it was racist, whether it was you know, transphobic,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is, my reputation is at risk. Um.
Speaker 1: And then people will know who the real layer is,
Speaker 1: and then they won't work with me, and then I'll
Speaker 1: be in trouble and I won't have any friends or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. You know, I really will be facing
Speaker 1: the consequences of my words. Um. And that is the
Speaker 1: beauty of freedom of speech. We can see people for
Speaker 1: who they are. It's so dangerous to ban people because
Speaker 1: then we don't really know. Here's the thing. I just
Speaker 1: want to mention Alex Jones for a sect, because Alex
Speaker 1: Jones has been de platformed. Um. I know he said
Speaker 1: some really crazy stuff, and I think he apologized about
Speaker 1: the He said that one of the shootings was a hoax. Um,
Speaker 1: I think he apologized about that. But overall, Um, he's
Speaker 1: been right about some things. He's been wrong about other things.
Speaker 1: But because they banned him, UM, I don't actually fully
Speaker 1: know all of his beliefs. I'm a bit too young
Speaker 1: to know because I didn't I wasn't following him since
Speaker 1: the beginning. UM, So now I don't know whether he
Speaker 1: is a conspiracy theorist or not. Perhaps if they didn't
Speaker 1: ban him, I would have a much more comprehensive and
Speaker 1: better understanding about him, um, and be able to, um,
Speaker 1: you know, come to my own opinions and see truth. Um,
Speaker 1: that's my problem. You know, words have consequences regarding the market.
Speaker 1: Money speaks, Mark, money speaks. It is what it is,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Um. People always knew that Elon Musk buying
Speaker 1: Twitter is one of the best things. Um. It was
Speaker 1: literally a failing platform. Unfortunately, I always compare it to Ethereum.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's unusable, it's congested, there's too much going on,
Speaker 1: and I can't see it was happening. Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that the money that the money speaks. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So many good points that you brought up there. So
Speaker 1: the first question I go back to is Um, you
Speaker 1: had said that we were taught that words don't hurt us,
Speaker 1: but today they do. Do you think that the elites
Speaker 1: are saying that they do so we have this victim mentality,
Speaker 1: so then they can use that as a lever to
Speaker 1: control the speech. And actually I want to ask you
Speaker 1: about that and then I want to get more back
Speaker 1: into the the difference of what they're really doing and saying,
Speaker 1: and then what the market is saying on top of that.
Speaker 1: But before we do, uh, I just want to tell
Speaker 1: everybody again, you're listening to the Mark Moss Show. Of
Speaker 1: course we talk about bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, the decentralized revolution. I
Speaker 1: like to talk about the intersection of politics, finance and technology,
Speaker 1: which of course is what we're talking with. And I'm
Speaker 1: joined in the studio by a Leah Lah Helper and
Speaker 1: you can find her on Twitter. It's l A y
Speaker 1: A H. Hilper and a T I L p e
Speaker 1: r In. Give her a follow say hi to her there.
Speaker 1: When we come back, I want to keep talking about
Speaker 1: this elon musting a little bit, and then I want
Speaker 1: to dig in on some central bank digital currencies, which
Speaker 1: you might have heard has been coming, and what you
Speaker 1: might not have heard is just how bad and how
Speaker 1: dystopian these things could be. Um And I want to
Speaker 1: discuss that with you because I know you've spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time talking about that and there's a lot
Speaker 1: to dig in there. So we'll be back in just
Speaker 1: a minute. Listen to the Markma Show. We're back in
Speaker 1: a second. Do not go away, all right, Welcome back.
Speaker 1: You are listening to the Mark mo Show. We're talking
Speaker 1: about bitcoin, we're talking about the decentralized revolution. We're discussing
Speaker 1: how politics, finance and technology are all coming together. And
Speaker 1: changing the world as we see them. And of course
Speaker 1: we were talking about before the break, talking about Elon
Speaker 1: Musk and Twitter, which is politics and technology, I guess
Speaker 1: even finance, right, it's all three, Um, all three of
Speaker 1: those came together. Um but I guess uh. The elites
Speaker 1: are want us to believe that words are violence, that
Speaker 1: words are hurtful. Um. But I don't know if they
Speaker 1: really believe them. It seems to me that they might
Speaker 1: be using them as an excuse to to control the narrative.
Speaker 1: We saw just I think today it was announced that
Speaker 1: or yesterday that the Biden administration has now um is
Speaker 1: now putting together I forget the word I don't have
Speaker 1: in front of me, but some sort of disinformation czar
Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, And this this lady I saw someone
Speaker 1: posted today like a bunch of her tweets, old tweets,
Speaker 1: and she posted super, super heavily about Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: the Russian collusion and how um stuff about Hillary and
Speaker 1: this and that, and all of those tweets have now
Speaker 1: been proven to have been fake and false and paid
Speaker 1: for by Hillary. So she was posting all this which
Speaker 1: was massive disinformation. And now she's supposedly going to be
Speaker 1: the czar. I mean, how insane is this? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so insane. Um. I think Joe Very can actually put
Speaker 1: it perfectly. He said his problem with misinformation, um quote
Speaker 1: unquite misinformation with disinformation is that what is classed misinformation
Speaker 1: today can then be classed as true the next right,
Speaker 1: So corruption in terms of paid tweets and stuff aside.
Speaker 1: Things are constantly changing, they told us, and they said
Speaker 1: it everywhere. They said, if you have the vaccine, the
Speaker 1: COVID vaccine, you will be you won't get COVID, right,
Speaker 1: and that was allowed and that was okay. If you say, um,
Speaker 1: the vaccine could cause some serious side effects, that's misinformation.
Speaker 1: And we know the latter to be true, um, to
Speaker 1: be the correct one. Um. And so I think I
Speaker 1: think it's deeply concerning. They are trying to control the narrative. Um.
Speaker 1: It's so obvious, you know. UM. And I think in
Speaker 1: some ways, I'm almost happy that the last two years happened, um,
Speaker 1: because it shows the true face of the establishment. And
Speaker 1: I think it's woken a lot of people up, um,
Speaker 1: particularly about the importance of decentralization and not trusting your government. Um.
Speaker 1: You know. I did a tweet the other day, which
Speaker 1: was which, which was something like, you know, the smartest
Speaker 1: thing to do is to expect the worst from your government. Um.
Speaker 1: You only have to look at the twentieth century. Um,
Speaker 1: you only have to look at the last two years. Um.
Speaker 1: And then I think the most bizarre part of it
Speaker 1: all is if you say, um, if you say, okay,
Speaker 1: let's do the vaccine one again. If you say, um,
Speaker 1: the vaccine isn't fully effective, that's misinformation. Um. But if
Speaker 1: you say men can get pregnant, that is correct. So
Speaker 1: there's there's some there. So there's some kind of weird
Speaker 1: psychological disconnection with reality here. Um. And it's absolutely done
Speaker 1: on purpose. Um. It's not that the elite genuinely think
Speaker 1: that words hurt. No, you don't become the head of
Speaker 1: the World Economic Forum or president or prime minister because
Speaker 1: words hurt your feelings. Absolutely not. You become that that
Speaker 1: way because you are ruthless and smart and so on
Speaker 1: and so on. Um. But what it does is it
Speaker 1: creates a soxiety of dependent individuals, weak dependent individuals. Why
Speaker 1: do you think there's a war on men and masculinity?
Speaker 1: Because who's going to fight back when stuff hits the fan?
Speaker 1: It's going to be the strong men. And if we
Speaker 1: don't have strong men, then we will be trampled all
Speaker 1: over who. I know, all these cute pictures um were
Speaker 1: rising to the surface of women holding guns in Ukraine,
Speaker 1: but I mean until I actually see a woman um
Speaker 1: with with you know, boots on the ground, they don't
Speaker 1: believe it. It's the men that go that go into
Speaker 1: mainly generally speaking, it's the men that go and go
Speaker 1: on with the boots on the ground and so on,
Speaker 1: and so we have to be Yeah, we we have
Speaker 1: to be very very careful. UM. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know to what extent um this new disinformation
Speaker 1: board is going to be implemented or I don't know
Speaker 1: what capacity is going to affect us, particularly now you
Speaker 1: know Elon Musk is the CEO or fan or owner
Speaker 1: or whatever your Twitter Um, I don't know. But um,
Speaker 1: that's when decentralization comes in. UM. And that's where UM,
Speaker 1: voting with your feet comes in. That's where um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: essentially voting with your feet comes in. If you don't
Speaker 1: like what's happening in the US, UM, then you've got
Speaker 1: to leave basically, Yeah, So so voting with your feet
Speaker 1: back to uh, back to the Tesla stock. It's at
Speaker 1: for me, that's encouraging because it gets discouraging when I see,
Speaker 1: you know, all this censorship and then I see all
Speaker 1: these wackos saying all this stuff on Twitter, um, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, is that what people really want? Is
Speaker 1: that really the attitude of everybody? But then when I
Speaker 1: see like man, Twitter stocks, like, no, that's not right.
Speaker 1: And we can see you know, Tucker Carlson, how many
Speaker 1: views Tucker Carlsons getting a Joe Rogan two million views,
Speaker 1: you know, smashing the entire city and in network. So
Speaker 1: that's that's that's got to be more encouraging. Those are
Speaker 1: people putting their money where their mouth is. Would you
Speaker 1: say that's encouraging to you? Yeah, it's really encouraging. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, I think
Speaker 1: money always speaks um and UM. If you look at
Speaker 1: the views, that tells us which which direction we're going in,
Speaker 1: you look at the money that tells us which direction,
Speaker 1: um we're going in. Um. People will always vote with
Speaker 1: their pocket um and ultimately if they're allowed to, if
Speaker 1: they're allowed to, but then they vote in other ways. Right,
Speaker 1: So like I'd say, watching Joe Rogan rather than CNN
Speaker 1: is a form of voting in that you're turning the
Speaker 1: attention somewhere else, and where there's attention, whoever has the
Speaker 1: attention has the power. Um. And although you're not necessarily
Speaker 1: setting Although Joe Rogan isn't setting policy, he is setting culture,
Speaker 1: and culture is more effective than policy, um in my opinion. Um.
Speaker 1: And so if we are watching and so and so,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter what happens with these big boards
Speaker 1: and councils and stuff like that. We're not interested because
Speaker 1: we have a different community now. Um. We And it
Speaker 1: is encouraging, you know. I think after didn't Joe Rogan
Speaker 1: didn't It didn't like the mainstream media's attack on Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan actually benefit him. He increased more views. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I read that somewhere. I saw a lot
Speaker 1: of people saying I've never listened to Joe Rogan before,
Speaker 1: but now I want to start listening to him. Like
Speaker 1: a bunch of tweets like that and came up. Um,
Speaker 1: but I say, I say, if you're allowed to, because
Speaker 1: that's a that's the piece that I want to dig
Speaker 1: into next. And UM, I've been kind of making the case.
Speaker 1: We saw with the truckers in Canada. You know, they
Speaker 1: donated money to something that was legally protected and they
Speaker 1: got their account shut off. They were frozen. And I've
Speaker 1: been making the case that without the freedom and you,
Speaker 1: without freedom of speech, there's no freedom. But without the
Speaker 1: freedom of being able to transact and make payments, there's
Speaker 1: no freedom. So if we're guaranteed the freedom of speech
Speaker 1: and the United States Constitution, you guys don't have a
Speaker 1: constitution over there in UK. But but in the guaranteed
Speaker 1: the freedom of speech. But if but in today's day age,
Speaker 1: if I can't buy a phone to go online, or
Speaker 1: a computer go on social media to build a website,
Speaker 1: I don't have freedom of speech. If I can't pay
Speaker 1: to put gas in my truck to drive a freedom
Speaker 1: of assembly. But if I can't put gas in my
Speaker 1: truck to go to that assembly, I have no freedom
Speaker 1: of assembly Either's it starts with the payments, and that
Speaker 1: seems to be the next attacked vector. They want to
Speaker 1: control those payments and so um obviously they do with
Speaker 1: the dollar, and we saw that how they've done that
Speaker 1: in Canada. Um, we saw how Russia superpower got their
Speaker 1: bank accounts sezed as well, but the next stage that
Speaker 1: they want to roll out, these central bank digital currencies
Speaker 1: could give them unlimited, unprecedented power that I think most
Speaker 1: people haven't really thought through it. And And I know you've
Speaker 1: been spent a lot of time talking about this. I
Speaker 1: want to dig into that. But you're listening to the
Speaker 1: Mark Mos Show and we're talking about If you're just
Speaker 1: tuning in, we're talking about bitcoin. We're talking about the
Speaker 1: decentralized revolution. We're talking about how politics, technology and finance
Speaker 1: are all coming together to change the world that we're
Speaker 1: in right now. If you're not paying attention, it could
Speaker 1: be left behind. It could be bad for you, especially
Speaker 1: when it comes to these central bank digital currencies that
Speaker 1: they're rolling out. We still have time to push back.
Speaker 1: I'm joined in the studio by Layah Helpern and we're
Speaker 1: gonna dig into that in a second. She has been
Speaker 1: talking a lot about this. Of course I've been talking
Speaker 1: about a lot as well. We still have time to
Speaker 1: push back if you get educated. Um, so I got
Speaker 1: a lot more to go over when I get back
Speaker 1: in a second. Don't go away, all right, welcome back.
Speaker 1: You are listening to the Markma Show. We're talking about bitcoin.
Speaker 1: And cryptocurrencies. The decentralized revolution is I like to call it.
Speaker 1: The world is changing rapidly right before our very eyes,
Speaker 1: and we can either become victims to it, or if
Speaker 1: we're paying attention, we can help shape the world that
Speaker 1: we want and come out ahead on this. I'm in
Speaker 1: the studio with Laiah Heilpern and we are talking about
Speaker 1: this freedom of speech and this elon must Twitter pretty
Speaker 1: interesting and kind of just the difference of what they're
Speaker 1: they're they're telling us what they really want, stopping freedom
Speaker 1: of speech and with the markets favoring UM. But now
Speaker 1: it looks like this next attack victor is the money.
Speaker 1: M Henry Kissinger famously said, control the food, you control
Speaker 1: the people, control the energy, control the continent, control of
Speaker 1: the money, you control the world. And so of course
Speaker 1: those are three things that we're seeing. Attack on food,
Speaker 1: an attack on energy, and attack on money. Um. And
Speaker 1: this next attack on money seems to be the central
Speaker 1: bank digital urgencies that they want to roll out. A
Speaker 1: lot of people maybe don't realize what's happening because money
Speaker 1: is pretty much digital anyway. UM. But there's a lot
Speaker 1: more to that, and I know you've been thinking a
Speaker 1: lot about that, right, La. Yeah, I think you make
Speaker 1: a really interesting point. People don't realize because they think
Speaker 1: money is digital anyway, so they're thinking which difference, Yeah,
Speaker 1: now it is, yeah, but you know they're thinking, what's
Speaker 1: the difference? Um, the differences efficiency? I would say, Um,
Speaker 1: so right now they can block your bank. Um, they
Speaker 1: can't necessarily confiscate money as such. I don't believe that
Speaker 1: your money. Actually they can confiscate money. They did that
Speaker 1: in cyper Us in two thousand and thirteen. So for
Speaker 1: those that don't know, UM, in two thousand thirteen, UM
Speaker 1: it was called it was called the Cyprios the Cypriate haircup.
Speaker 1: So those who had over a hundred thousand euros in
Speaker 1: the bank account had it had some of it basically
Speaker 1: confiscated um to help pay back the economy. Because the
Speaker 1: economy wasn't a very it was in dire straits essentially,
Speaker 1: so they confiscated money from the wealthiest citizens to help
Speaker 1: pay for it. People woke up the next day with
Speaker 1: their life savings gone. Um. Now that's rare, I guess, um,
Speaker 1: but it but it happens. I mean we saw, we
Speaker 1: saw the Biden administration sees seven and a half billion
Speaker 1: dollars of the Afghanistan Central Bank just recently, just in
Speaker 1: the last couple of months, so the entire all their
Speaker 1: money is gone. And then obviously in Canada their bank
Speaker 1: accounts got seized, and then Ussia's bank accounts got see.
Speaker 1: So it actually happens quite quite a bit. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think that there's always there's a difference between like
Speaker 1: actual confiscation and freezing. Um. I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody's funds were confiscated in Canada, Am I wrong? Or
Speaker 1: right to your point? They froze them and they the
Speaker 1: next step would have been to take them, and I
Speaker 1: guess they gave most of them back under under immense pressure. Yeah, exactly. Um.
Speaker 1: So with central bank digital currencies, they're on the blockchain, um,
Speaker 1: but it's centralized um. And so the same awful monetary
Speaker 1: policy which they have now printing money and so on
Speaker 1: will be implemented. And I think the problem is that
Speaker 1: there's this whole idea that they will be marketed as
Speaker 1: better for the environment. They will be marketed as this new, shiny,
Speaker 1: amazing coin. Um, it's so innovative. Look at us, We're
Speaker 1: at the forefront of innovation. That's what's happening in the
Speaker 1: UK anyway. Um, you've got these deadbeat politicians who are
Speaker 1: coming back, as you know, rebranding themselves as new innovative
Speaker 1: by promoting CBDCs. Um. But CBDCs are programmable. UM, so
Speaker 1: if you hold the wrong opinion, Um, they can be programmed.
Speaker 1: So you can't spend your money. So, given you know,
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of this terrible climate catastrophe. Since
Speaker 1: the sarcasm in my voice an emergency. Yeah, we're all
Speaker 1: going to die in in a in a year, um,
Speaker 1: as they've been saying for the last seventy years. Anyway. UM,
Speaker 1: So given were at peak emergency here, UM, we've got
Speaker 1: to be careful. You know, you can't buy too much
Speaker 1: meat because meat is bad for the environment, and so
Speaker 1: you could go and fill up your car, um, and
Speaker 1: your CBDC could get declined. Why because you've reached your
Speaker 1: pollutionism your your pollution allowance. You've reached that. Um. You
Speaker 1: know you bought too much meat this week, that barbecue
Speaker 1: you had the other day, that was it. Um, And
Speaker 1: this isn't that far off. This is the thing. UM.
Speaker 1: I know it sounds crazy, but but it's just not
Speaker 1: you don't have to look at the last two years.
Speaker 1: Imagine if I said to you in two thousand and eighteen,
Speaker 1: the whole world is going to be locked down for
Speaker 1: something which has a nine survival rate, and they are
Speaker 1: going to force you and mandate you to take something
Speaker 1: which you don't necessarily need. Um, they're gonna in Europe,
Speaker 1: they're gonna find you, um, three hundred euros a month
Speaker 1: if you don't do it. I mean, it's ludicrous, and
Speaker 1: yet it happened. Um, so the same will happen with CBDCs.
Speaker 1: And you make a really good point. I think. I
Speaker 1: think money is the root of everything. And you know,
Speaker 1: you can have freedom of speech. Um, I can shout
Speaker 1: from the rooftop that I don't like my government. I
Speaker 1: don't agree with this, I don't agree with that. Um
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything. Nobody's gonna hear me if I can't
Speaker 1: pay to get somewhere where people can hear me. It's
Speaker 1: like if if you scream in the middle of the woods,
Speaker 1: is anyone going to hear you? If for tree fools,
Speaker 1: did it really full? A couple of things I think
Speaker 1: about central bank digital currencies too, is that it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's programmable money. So right now, to your point, they
Speaker 1: can freeze accounts or sees accounts, but it's not very
Speaker 1: convenient for them, so there's a lot of things they
Speaker 1: have to do. UM. But with programmable money, it's built
Speaker 1: into the program. So for example, when they send out
Speaker 1: the stimulus, the whole point was to stimulate the economy.
Speaker 1: They wanted people to spend the money. A lot of
Speaker 1: people didn't. They sat on the money. So they could
Speaker 1: program the money and say, hey, lea, you here's your money,
Speaker 1: but if you don't spend it by Friday, it comes
Speaker 1: back to us. For example, sake a program or to
Speaker 1: your point, they could say, hey, you know, smoking is
Speaker 1: not really healthy anymore. It's not really an approved thing anymore.
Speaker 1: So now you can't buy cigarettes anymore, um or you know,
Speaker 1: alcohol or by alcohol process or whatever they want. Right,
Speaker 1: you can't buy steak anymore. You shouldn't be eating meat anymore.
Speaker 1: No more steak, right. I would not like that. They
Speaker 1: could say. They could say, hey, you're you don't save
Speaker 1: enough money, so we're gonna give you a five percent
Speaker 1: interest rate. Hey, Mark, you're saving way too much. You're hoarding.
Speaker 1: You have a negative ten percent interest rate. Hey you
Speaker 1: have reparations. Hey, you're part of this minority group, whatever
Speaker 1: it may be. As they can do all these things,
Speaker 1: they can program it into the money, right, I mean
Speaker 1: that that's it's behavioral modification, behavioral control. Really yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think also we've got to emphasize the point that
Speaker 1: the money can expire so they can print lots of
Speaker 1: money to stimulate the economy. Um, that's their excuse for
Speaker 1: flooding the system and causing inflation. It's to stimulate the economy. Well,
Speaker 1: what if they want to do that, But what they
Speaker 1: also say is we need people spending to stimulate the economy. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're I don't know, ten percent of your savings
Speaker 1: will expire if you don't spend it with an X.
Speaker 1: We're doing this to stimulate the economy for your good.
Speaker 1: You used to think about that for a second. I
Speaker 1: mean that literally what does that do? Though? What does
Speaker 1: that do it? It doesn't allow you to save and
Speaker 1: become financially free, build wealth. Their for you will always
Speaker 1: have to work to have money. You become a slave.
Speaker 1: You literally become a state, and this will be a
Speaker 1: one way relationship. What does that mean? You think you think,
Speaker 1: you think, you think President Biden's money is expiring. Absolutely
Speaker 1: not you think the head of the Fed his money,
Speaker 1: the chairman of the Fed, his money is expiring. No.
Speaker 1: Given it to blockchain, technically we should be able to
Speaker 1: see every single transaction that's ever happened, including where our
Speaker 1: taxes are going, including where you know who Hillary Clinton
Speaker 1: is paying for different This isn't going to be on
Speaker 1: any open source blockchain exactly. And really it's not even money, right,
Speaker 1: So money if you think about it, like back to
Speaker 1: the Canada situation, they didn't seize the money, they froze it.
Speaker 1: And part of the reason why they went back on that,
Speaker 1: I said, under immense pressure, is because what happened is
Speaker 1: everyone started going and pulling their money out of the bank.
Speaker 1: Even Jordan Peterson went on and said, hey, everyone should
Speaker 1: get their money out of the bank. And so there
Speaker 1: was these massive bank runs and they're like, oh, shoot,
Speaker 1: we we we better re change. We're better change the
Speaker 1: changes than they did. But under a CBDC, there is
Speaker 1: nothing to go pull out of the bank. There's nothing
Speaker 1: to go pull out and put under your mattress or
Speaker 1: in your safe. And so really, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it's not money. What it is is the
Speaker 1: government gives you credits on their ledger, and if you're
Speaker 1: a good boy or girl and you get more credit
Speaker 1: than if you're a bad boy or girl, they take
Speaker 1: or whatever sex they deem you. I don't know about that,
Speaker 1: and then they take credits away from you, right and
Speaker 1: so really it's just like we get money as a
Speaker 1: credit from the government. I mean that's very dystopian. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you can't even you can't even flee right,
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm always moving countries. Hopefully I'll settle in
Speaker 1: Miami for a bit. Um, but I can come to Miami.
Speaker 1: I come from London to Miami with my bitcoin, and
Speaker 1: I know that I'm okay. Like if you know, I
Speaker 1: ever need money, UM, I have a backup. I have
Speaker 1: a savings technology which is going to which is mine
Speaker 1: and nobody else can touch um. So essentially it's much Um.
Speaker 1: It's concerning because who says you can bring that cross borders?
Speaker 1: Who says that you can flee tyranny with that? You
Speaker 1: can't because you don't own it, as you said, well,
Speaker 1: it's program. They could just say, hey, you can spend
Speaker 1: it in this country, but again, spend in that country.
Speaker 1: Period you know, um, you're listening to the Markma Show.
Speaker 1: We're talking about bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, the decentralized revolution. I'm in
Speaker 1: the studio with Leiah help Burn. We're talking about central
Speaker 1: bank digital currencies which are coming ready or not here
Speaker 1: they come. They're already in China, a few other smaller
Speaker 1: countries have already rolled them out. Of course, the United
Speaker 1: States IF Reserve is talking about getting them out as
Speaker 1: quickly as they can. I want to dig in a
Speaker 1: little bit more. I have some other questions and some thoughts,
Speaker 1: and there's some bills that are pushing back on this
Speaker 1: that might hold it back. Some things to talk about.
Speaker 1: You're listening to the Mark Moa Show. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: back with more with Leia in a second. Do not
Speaker 1: go away, all right, welcome back. You are listening to
Speaker 1: the Markma Show. We're talking about bitcoin and the decentralized revolution.
Speaker 1: We're talking about politics, finance, and technology all coming together
Speaker 1: changing the world as we speak. I'm in the studio
Speaker 1: with Leiah help Burn. We are talking about all three
Speaker 1: of those things. We're talking about how the politics are
Speaker 1: deciding to control the finance of the money um and
Speaker 1: using this new technology and we're talking about central bank
Speaker 1: digital currencies. Um. Now we're talking about how they can
Speaker 1: be programmable money. Um. How really it's not money at
Speaker 1: all because I can't withdraw it or hold it. It's
Speaker 1: really just a ledger and they can choose to let me.
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't escape with it in a country,
Speaker 1: because they could say it only spends here, it doesn't
Speaker 1: spend there. Um. I said earlier that without the freedom
Speaker 1: of payments, there is no freedom. Um. When we were
Speaker 1: at the Bitcoin conference, I gotta work the news desk
Speaker 1: for a while, it's pretty cool. And I was working
Speaker 1: the news desk when Alex Gladstein was on the stage
Speaker 1: with Yomi Parks and I forget the other two people
Speaker 1: that were on there, but she's, uh, she's kind of
Speaker 1: famous for escaping North Korea and telling her story about that.
Speaker 1: And she made a statement that was kind of what
Speaker 1: I said, but the opposite, and it's something I thought
Speaker 1: a lot about. And she said that without freedom, there's
Speaker 1: no need for money. I say, without the freedom of money,
Speaker 1: there's no freedom. And she said, without freedom, there's no
Speaker 1: need for money. And so what does that mean, Well,
Speaker 1: in North Korea there's no freedom, and so UM. They
Speaker 1: get their ration of rice and sugar, and they don't
Speaker 1: have any need for money because there's nothing to buy.
Speaker 1: There's no freedom, and so that's kind of what we're
Speaker 1: talking about. In central digital currency. They'll give you their
Speaker 1: ration of of checks on their ledger that you can
Speaker 1: buy your staples with, but then they control what you
Speaker 1: can and can't have, how much savings to your point
Speaker 1: you made, how much savings you can have, things like that,
Speaker 1: So it sounds very dystopian. Now there is some pushback
Speaker 1: on this, So a couple of things that I'd like
Speaker 1: to ask about. So one, you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: that much about the government in the UK. I'm guessing
Speaker 1: it's just as incompetent, if not more incompetent in the
Speaker 1: United States government. So first off, in the United States, UH,
Speaker 1: under Obama, they pushed through this Obamacare or a government
Speaker 1: take over the health care UM and they built this
Speaker 1: new website and the website is very simple, go on
Speaker 1: and shop for an insurance plan. There's lots of insurance
Speaker 1: companies that you can go shop for your insurance plan.
Speaker 1: And they were going to roll this out and they
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. They failed, It was delayed didn't work.
Speaker 1: They spent two billion dollars to roll out a stupid
Speaker 1: website and they couldn't even get that done. They finally
Speaker 1: had to hire a private company to do that. Another
Speaker 1: example is for the last forty years, the i r S,
Speaker 1: the Internal Revenue Service, has tried to overhaul their tax
Speaker 1: system and they have been unable to do that. Every
Speaker 1: single year they mess up on hundreds and hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of tax returns um. Just this year, after years
Speaker 1: and years and years and years of years of trying
Speaker 1: to do it, they said, you know what, Uh, we're
Speaker 1: not going to do it. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: We're just going to overhaul the couple core pieces of
Speaker 1: it and then we're gonna just forget about the rest
Speaker 1: and that won't be done until so that's uh, seven
Speaker 1: eight years from now. So how competent do you think
Speaker 1: the government is on actually rolling out a system that works?
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think they can get this done
Speaker 1: in a couple of years or do you think that,
Speaker 1: just like most government things, that will probably fail. It's
Speaker 1: such a great question. Um. The reason why it's a
Speaker 1: great question is because usually I would say I think
Speaker 1: the government is incredibly incompetent. However, when there's a will,
Speaker 1: there's a way. They managed to get a vaccine out
Speaker 1: very quickly. They managed to get vaccine passports out of
Speaker 1: very quickly. You're only allowed into the United States now
Speaker 1: if you're vaccinated. This is a very very quick turnaround. Um.
Speaker 1: And so it's very very they're very competent. Um. If
Speaker 1: there is something to gain, they will do it. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of the time, the bureaucracy and the
Speaker 1: incompetence really just comes when there isn't the when there
Speaker 1: isn't an alignment right and there's pushed back from the
Speaker 1: other party. I remember Obamacare being very controversial at the time.
Speaker 1: I was super young at the times, in an eight um,
Speaker 1: but I remember it really well. I remember it being
Speaker 1: very very controversial. So I imagine part of the difficulty
Speaker 1: was all the pushback naturally incompetent people. But if you
Speaker 1: have a group of individuals who are running the show,
Speaker 1: who have one set goal, it will be doable and
Speaker 1: it will be done when it needs to be done.
Speaker 1: I think it was magined. Noirs, you imagine no ore
Speaker 1: so um, I think it was imagined. It was who
Speaker 1: said that the vaccine passport wasn't the goal that allowed
Speaker 1: the physical infrastructure to be built for vaccine passports. So
Speaker 1: now we have a we have something digital. We have
Speaker 1: this digital infrastructure which can determine freedom of movement. But
Speaker 1: they've leaned but all the all those all that has
Speaker 1: been built by private companies. The government hasn't built any
Speaker 1: of that out, correct, But so well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So then do you think that maybe the government won't
Speaker 1: actually route a central digital currency, but instead they'll maybe
Speaker 1: co opt an existing stable coin and say, now we're
Speaker 1: gonna take the stable coin that's gonna be our money
Speaker 1: now like because we can't do it. So that's maybe
Speaker 1: kind of what you're talking about with a vaccine passport. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna know, I think it's going to
Speaker 1: be a central mane digital currency. It's not going to
Speaker 1: be a stable coin. Um, and I think that it's
Speaker 1: going to be. It could be done with a private company. Um,
Speaker 1: why not. Let's is the most efficient way to enslave
Speaker 1: the people. Why not? That's what they've already just that's
Speaker 1: what they've already done. Um, I mean China's done it.
Speaker 1: Do you think China use a private company? Uh? No,
Speaker 1: China Chowna doesn't do that. But do you think do
Speaker 1: you think that the government, the US government doesn't maybe
Speaker 1: have as big of a need or a rush to
Speaker 1: do this one because the dollars are the reserve currency
Speaker 1: of the world and they have and Jerome Pale actually
Speaker 1: said this right we have, we have the most to lose,
Speaker 1: and so we can't rush this would take our time
Speaker 1: with it. But also how much of a demand is
Speaker 1: there because the U S. Dollar stable coins are already
Speaker 1: so prolific, they're already everywhere, they already make up a
Speaker 1: huge percentage of it. So the U. S. Dollars already
Speaker 1: represented out there, and so maybe there's not the biggest
Speaker 1: need for other than there's the control aspect of it.
Speaker 1: But if it's just if we're just talking about it
Speaker 1: without the control, but man maintaining the dollars reserve status
Speaker 1: in position in the world, maybe it's already there. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, any CBODC that we have would
Speaker 1: be a would be a digital version of the U. S. Dollar.
Speaker 1: So I don't think it would undermine the dollars position. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's necessary, don't think it's needed,
Speaker 1: Like you said we have stable coins. That was working
Speaker 1: very well, right, But but the question is to what
Speaker 1: extent would they like to control the population. So if
Speaker 1: you believe that everything is about the money like I do,
Speaker 1: and everything is about control, then I see no reason
Speaker 1: why this wing happened. I mean, weird stuff is happening,
Speaker 1: weird stuff, like everything has just stepped up a notch.
Speaker 1: What was that world you can work for? And video
Speaker 1: which came out about in you have nothing and you'll
Speaker 1: be happy? What is that? It's just weird. There's weird
Speaker 1: stuff happening. The last two years was weird. I think
Speaker 1: that it's odd, you know, so I think there is
Speaker 1: a plan here. And she was also weird. Mark the
Speaker 1: fact that everything has just dropped suddenly, everything is just
Speaker 1: dropped variants. We don't talk about it anymore. We got
Speaker 1: the new thing, right, the thing, the thing um and
Speaker 1: then the thing. I'd say, also, you know obviously you
Speaker 1: mentioned China. Well I brought up China. Then you asked
Speaker 1: about China's private company. Um, China is in a total authority.
Speaker 1: I mean they don't hide it. It's the CCP, the
Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party, right, It's so there's no no hiding that. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know where the UK is, and there's some
Speaker 1: version of that. Obviously, the US is still somewhat between
Speaker 1: trying to go to a dictatorship and we're still kind
Speaker 1: of somewhat free into republic here um. And so there
Speaker 1: is a lot of pushback here. And so like Senator
Speaker 1: to Ted Cruz um submitted to bill to block um
Speaker 1: the Fed's ability to give accounts directly to the people
Speaker 1: and like compress the banking stack, which I thought was
Speaker 1: maybe one attack factor. And then we saw recently like
Speaker 1: that e cash bill that got submitted where the Treasury
Speaker 1: would actually have the ability to roll out their own
Speaker 1: digital currency instead of the FED. And so there's a
Speaker 1: fight there. UM. So you know, we'll see I think, um,
Speaker 1: if this that gives me a little bit of hope,
Speaker 1: and back to kind of a little bit of hope.
Speaker 1: If if this sounds like something that you doesn't doesn't
Speaker 1: really excite you, maybe scares you a little bit. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's still plenty of time to push back on this.
Speaker 1: If you were going to make a prediction, do you
Speaker 1: think we'll see this in the next eighteen to twenty
Speaker 1: four months or is this like five years or ten
Speaker 1: years or how far. I think this is more five
Speaker 1: years to ten years. But like you mentioned, that is
Speaker 1: a lot of pushback. UM. I also think that the UM,
Speaker 1: I think the narrative is changing. UM. I think that
Speaker 1: the push towards the left is becoming weaker. People are
Speaker 1: waking up. UM. You mentioned politicians are standing up and
Speaker 1: um sort of voting against these things. So I think
Speaker 1: that we may not get that because we're having these
Speaker 1: kinds of conversations. That's the point. More people are waking up.
Speaker 1: And so I'm yeah, I'm I am optimistic. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: I'm optimistic too. And it is scary because to the
Speaker 1: point that we're making. I mean, this is money. This
Speaker 1: isn't something you can withdraw from the bank like in Canada.
Speaker 1: It's something that they just have the ability to control
Speaker 1: and they can devalue it or steal it from you
Speaker 1: whenever you want. And so if you can't pull that
Speaker 1: money out of the bank can put in your matchress,
Speaker 1: then where do you store your wealth? Well that's where
Speaker 1: bitcoin comes into play. So that's why I'm such a
Speaker 1: big proponent of bitcoin. It gives us the ability to
Speaker 1: hold our wealth in a way that they can't create
Speaker 1: more of it. They can't inflate it, nor can they
Speaker 1: steal it or prevent me from using us. It gives
Speaker 1: me the freedom of payments as well. Um, you've been
Speaker 1: listening to the Markmas Show. I've been joined by Leiah
Speaker 1: Leiah Helper and you can find her on Twitter at
Speaker 1: Leiah HELPERN and we'll put it in the show notes
Speaker 1: as well, talking about bitcoin and the decentralized revolution and
Speaker 1: that's what we got. Thanks for listening.