WEBVTT - The Mark Moss Show - Talking with Layah Heilpern 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:02.559 Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of The Mark Moss Show, 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:07.039 where we talk about bitcoin, cryptocurrencies and the decentralized revolution 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:08.760 that is happening. Of course, each and every week, I'm 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:11.400 trying to bring to you a little bit of education 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:13.800 to help you understand what's going on the latest breaking 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.400 news in some of the best and brightest and most 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:18.680 interesting people in the space, and of course that's what 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:21.480 we're doing today. I am joined in the studio with 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:25.439 one of my new friends, Leiah hail Burn Iowa. Thanks 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.320 so much for joining me. Hey, Mark, great to be 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:30.880 on the show. I'm a big fan of everything you 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.400 do with the education you do, so I'm excited to 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:36.919 join you. Yeah, it's cool to have you on. UM. 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:39.520 You had me on your podcast recently that was super fun. 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.559 Then we got to hang out in in Miami for 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:45.400 the Bitcoin conference, which was amazing, and uh, you decided 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.080 to stay there. I guess right. Yeah. I mean, Miami 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.040 is the land of the Free, It's what America is 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.840 supposed to be. UM, Miami is truly amazing. UM. I 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.720 actually interviewed the Maya um a few months ago, and 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.680 after speaking with him, I just felt so inspired, so 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:07.240 empowered to just make a better life. UM. And I 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:15.240 find that the general energy of affluence and entrepreneurship UM 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:19.720 and empowerment is so encouraging. UM. And it's very unique 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:24.160 in the world right now because I think that where 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.039 the world is in this weird kind of position whereby 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.120 it's so doom and gloom. You know, we've gone from 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.640 a lockdown to a war um. You know, and that 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.480 came from the riots with racism you know, back in 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.840 and you know, the vaccine US versus them, like it's 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:45.160 just been NonStop. Whereas down here in Miami it's just 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.680 so um, it's so empowering, it's really refreshing. Yeah. I 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:51.920 know that's a big draft for you. We've talked about 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.040 that quite a bit obviously. You just said that, right 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:56.680 seeing this kind of this air of excitement in and 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.240 around freedom and I you you talk a lot about 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.760 money in Cryptocurrey sees, which well we'll get into, but 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.440 just on that freedom peace. UM, it seems like on 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.120 one side, and I'd like your take on this, but 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.800 it seems like on one side, like it's like this 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:12.880 this this this idea of freedom and being able to 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:14.480 choose what you want and say what you want is 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.520 like so under attack, and it seems like the mainstream 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:20.400 media would have us believe that it's dangerous and people 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.000 don't want it, and then they have to they have 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.600 to control it. But on the other hand, it seems 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.760 like there's like this real thirst for it. And what 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:32.200 I see is that, um, you know, as Bitcorners we 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.960 talked about people respond to financial incentives and it's about 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:36.919 having skin in the game. And so if we look 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.480 at like the last election, Um, they do polls, and 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.000 I'm sure they do them over in the UK, the saying, 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:43.800 but they do polls and people just say, oh, this 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:45.400 is what I'm going to vote for, and those are 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.400 typically like way off. But then there's like betting markets 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:50.880 where they bet and those are extremely right. And that's 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:52.960 because people put their money where their mouth is. And 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:54.960 that's kind of the same what the financial markets are 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.240 as well. And I thought what was interesting is there's 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.360 all this talk about Elon Musk buying out Twitter, and 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:02.960 it started because he was saying that, hey, there's way 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:06.680 too much censorship going on. We should have more freedom 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.519 of speech, and uh, you know what, what the heck, 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:11.680 I'm rich, I'll just buy it and I'll just make 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.120 it free speech. And there's two interesting things that I 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:18.000 want to get your take on. So one, um, people 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:22.519 are freaking out because he wants freedom of speech, which 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:24.920 is pretty interesting. So that would make me think, and 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.480 it's mostly from the elites that make me think, we'll shoot, 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:31.360 do people really want that? But more importantly, the markets 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.600 seem to have spoken. So since the day that he 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.520 announced he was going to buy it until today, the 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:41.840 Twitter stock is up fifty so it's like the market. 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.040 So the people are like, we don't want free speech? 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:47.160 How dare he do this? But then the markets are like, yes, 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:52.840 we're buying Twitter. It's up fifty percent, which, by the way, Peloton, Zoom, 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:58.880 Shopify tech stocks are down eight and Twitter. What do 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.560 you make of that contrast? I mean, so we'll start 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:07.080 with the outrage over Elon Musk buying Twitter. I mean, firstly, 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.600 it's no surprise because unfortunately we live in a world 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:14.240 which just really um hate freedom of speech, and I 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:20.920 think that this, Yeah, it's true. Unfortunately some people do. Yeah. 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:22.479 I mean when I say live in a world, I 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.440 mean like generally speaking, and we know that to be 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.240 true because of all the censorship that's going on. Um, 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.080 you know whether it's the platform and canceling, um, you know, 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.640 blackening somebody's name and all this stuff. But I think 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:38.480 that the concerning that, the concerning thing is freedom of 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.240 speech is one of the most empowering things that there is. 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:44.200 Without freedom of speech, we are not free. Because freedom 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.200 of speech isn't just about physically speaking, right, It's about 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.039 the way you express your money. Um. You know what 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.640 things you have access to, freedom of movement and lots 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:56.719 of different things. Um. And it's just no surprise that 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:00.600 this is happening. Um. I think that we also live 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:04.080 in a world where people don't want to take personal responsibility, um, 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.760 which means they constantly have this sort of victim mentality. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.360 So words hurt them. So I grew up being told 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.240 that sticks and zones will break your bones, but words 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.160 will never harm you. But that's not true anymore. Yeah, 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.440 that's not true anymore. So words really upset people. They 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:24.080 harm people. Words and our violence. Um. And unfortunately, this 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.640 kind of weak mentality has been passed down to us 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.599 from the elite, which is also why the elite don't 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.840 like the freedom of speech that Elon Musk is championing. Right. Um. 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:38.159 Elizabeth Warren absolutely hates him. Um. From from what it seems, 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.600 so you have so you have like this that you 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:45.240 have this this kind of um victim and dependent narrative 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.560 which is being tricked, which is trickling down from those 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.159 at the top. UM. So it's it's no shock. At 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.680 the end of day. Words do not harm you. Um. 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.200 And I'm a huge advocate of freedom of speech because 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:58.840 people always like to say, well, you know, Hitler was 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.040 able to say whatever he wants it, and it's like, actually, 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:05.839 that wasn't freedom of speech because if you were against him, 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.080 then you get locked up or killed or whatever it is. 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:11.719 So that's not freedom of speech. Freedom of speech. With 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.240 freedom of speech, words really do have consequences. This is 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.120 the thing which people are upset about with Twitter. They 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.000 think that words now don't have consequences because you can't 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:23.040 get banned. Actually, your reputation is the biggest consequence. If 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.880 I went out there and I said something really revolting, 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.360 if I said, you know, whether it was crude sexually, 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.400 whether it was racist, whether it was you know, transphobic, 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.760 you know, whatever it is, my reputation is at risk. Um. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:37.920 And then people will know who the real layer is, 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.279 and then they won't work with me, and then I'll 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.080 be in trouble and I won't have any friends or 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.520 whatever it is. You know, I really will be facing 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.120 the consequences of my words. Um. And that is the 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.520 beauty of freedom of speech. We can see people for 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.480 who they are. It's so dangerous to ban people because 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.400 then we don't really know. Here's the thing. I just 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.599 want to mention Alex Jones for a sect, because Alex 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.560 Jones has been de platformed. Um. I know he said 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.359 some really crazy stuff, and I think he apologized about 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:07.080 the He said that one of the shootings was a hoax. Um, 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.200 I think he apologized about that. But overall, Um, he's 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.120 been right about some things. He's been wrong about other things. 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.840 But because they banned him, UM, I don't actually fully 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.000 know all of his beliefs. I'm a bit too young 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.800 to know because I didn't I wasn't following him since 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.800 the beginning. UM, So now I don't know whether he 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.640 is a conspiracy theorist or not. Perhaps if they didn't 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:32.080 ban him, I would have a much more comprehensive and 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.600 better understanding about him, um, and be able to, um, 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:39.960 you know, come to my own opinions and see truth. Um, 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.040 that's my problem. You know, words have consequences regarding the market. 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.480 Money speaks, Mark, money speaks. It is what it is, 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.120 isn't it. Um. People always knew that Elon Musk buying 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.520 Twitter is one of the best things. Um. It was 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:55.880 literally a failing platform. Unfortunately, I always compare it to Ethereum. 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:59.280 I'm like, it's unusable, it's congested, there's too much going on, 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.040 and I can't see it was happening. Um. So yeah, 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.640 I'm not surprised that the money that the money speaks. Yeah. 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:06.920 So many good points that you brought up there. So 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.480 the first question I go back to is Um, you 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:14.800 had said that we were taught that words don't hurt us, 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.200 but today they do. Do you think that the elites 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.280 are saying that they do so we have this victim mentality, 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.280 so then they can use that as a lever to 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.800 control the speech. And actually I want to ask you 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.239 about that and then I want to get more back 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:34.800 into the the difference of what they're really doing and saying, 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:36.760 and then what the market is saying on top of that. 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:38.960 But before we do, uh, I just want to tell 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.720 everybody again, you're listening to the Mark Moss Show. Of 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.600 course we talk about bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, the decentralized revolution. I 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:49.400 like to talk about the intersection of politics, finance and technology, 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.640 which of course is what we're talking with. And I'm 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:55.400 joined in the studio by a Leah Lah Helper and 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.960 you can find her on Twitter. It's l A y 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.520 A H. Hilper and a T I L p e 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.440 r In. Give her a follow say hi to her there. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:05.560 When we come back, I want to keep talking about 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:07.640 this elon musting a little bit, and then I want 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.640 to dig in on some central bank digital currencies, which 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:14.160 you might have heard has been coming, and what you 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.240 might not have heard is just how bad and how 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.439 dystopian these things could be. Um And I want to 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.080 discuss that with you because I know you've spent a 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.640 lot of time talking about that and there's a lot 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:26.200 to dig in there. So we'll be back in just 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.200 a minute. Listen to the Markma Show. We're back in 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.040 a second. Do not go away, all right, Welcome back. 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:32.880 You are listening to the Mark mo Show. We're talking 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:37.160 about bitcoin, we're talking about the decentralized revolution. We're discussing 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.840 how politics, finance and technology are all coming together. And 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:42.360 changing the world as we see them. And of course 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.400 we were talking about before the break, talking about Elon 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.600 Musk and Twitter, which is politics and technology, I guess 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.360 even finance, right, it's all three, Um, all three of 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.880 those came together. Um but I guess uh. The elites 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.920 are want us to believe that words are violence, that 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.520 words are hurtful. Um. But I don't know if they 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.480 really believe them. It seems to me that they might 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:07.200 be using them as an excuse to to control the narrative. 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.560 We saw just I think today it was announced that 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:15.000 or yesterday that the Biden administration has now um is 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.320 now putting together I forget the word I don't have 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.200 in front of me, but some sort of disinformation czar 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.720 or whatever. Right, And this this lady I saw someone 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.200 posted today like a bunch of her tweets, old tweets, 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.400 and she posted super, super heavily about Donald Trump and 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:34.560 the Russian collusion and how um stuff about Hillary and 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.480 this and that, and all of those tweets have now 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.920 been proven to have been fake and false and paid 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:44.080 for by Hillary. So she was posting all this which 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.959 was massive disinformation. And now she's supposedly going to be 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:51.000 the czar. I mean, how insane is this? Yeah, it's 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:52.920 so insane. Um. I think Joe Very can actually put 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.160 it perfectly. He said his problem with misinformation, um quote 0:10:56.200 --> 0:11:01.439 unquite misinformation with disinformation is that what is classed misinformation 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:05.600 today can then be classed as true the next right, 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.360 So corruption in terms of paid tweets and stuff aside. 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:12.400 Things are constantly changing, they told us, and they said 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.800 it everywhere. They said, if you have the vaccine, the 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:18.120 COVID vaccine, you will be you won't get COVID, right, 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:24.080 and that was allowed and that was okay. If you say, um, 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:29.439 the vaccine could cause some serious side effects, that's misinformation. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.240 And we know the latter to be true, um, to 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.600 be the correct one. Um. And so I think I 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:42.000 think it's deeply concerning. They are trying to control the narrative. Um. 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.440 It's so obvious, you know. UM. And I think in 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:49.280 some ways, I'm almost happy that the last two years happened, um, 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.640 because it shows the true face of the establishment. And 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.160 I think it's woken a lot of people up, um, 0:11:56.360 --> 0:12:02.280 particularly about the importance of decentralization and not trusting your government. Um. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:03.840 You know. I did a tweet the other day, which 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.240 was which, which was something like, you know, the smartest 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.719 thing to do is to expect the worst from your government. Um. 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.199 You only have to look at the twentieth century. Um, 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.240 you only have to look at the last two years. Um. 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.240 And then I think the most bizarre part of it 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:20.040 all is if you say, um, if you say, okay, 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.120 let's do the vaccine one again. If you say, um, 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:27.360 the vaccine isn't fully effective, that's misinformation. Um. But if 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:32.280 you say men can get pregnant, that is correct. So 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.680 there's there's some there. So there's some kind of weird 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:41.959 psychological disconnection with reality here. Um. And it's absolutely done 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.040 on purpose. Um. It's not that the elite genuinely think 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.719 that words hurt. No, you don't become the head of 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.480 the World Economic Forum or president or prime minister because 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.520 words hurt your feelings. Absolutely not. You become that that 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.000 way because you are ruthless and smart and so on 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.920 and so on. Um. But what it does is it 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:03.840 creates a soxiety of dependent individuals, weak dependent individuals. Why 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:05.800 do you think there's a war on men and masculinity? 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.600 Because who's going to fight back when stuff hits the fan? 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.640 It's going to be the strong men. And if we 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.880 don't have strong men, then we will be trampled all 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:20.200 over who. I know, all these cute pictures um were 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.840 rising to the surface of women holding guns in Ukraine, 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.000 but I mean until I actually see a woman um 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:28.640 with with you know, boots on the ground, they don't 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.320 believe it. It's the men that go that go into 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.200 mainly generally speaking, it's the men that go and go 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.360 on with the boots on the ground and so on, 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:39.360 and so we have to be Yeah, we we have 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:44.320 to be very very careful. UM. And I don't know, 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:49.400 I don't know to what extent um this new disinformation 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:53.559 board is going to be implemented or I don't know 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.480 what capacity is going to affect us, particularly now you 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.000 know Elon Musk is the CEO or fan or owner 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:04.200 or whatever your Twitter Um, I don't know. But um, 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:08.440 that's when decentralization comes in. UM. And that's where UM, 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.960 voting with your feet comes in. That's where um. Yeah, 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.680 essentially voting with your feet comes in. If you don't 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.160 like what's happening in the US, UM, then you've got 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.320 to leave basically, Yeah, So so voting with your feet 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.600 back to uh, back to the Tesla stock. It's at 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.960 for me, that's encouraging because it gets discouraging when I see, 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.120 you know, all this censorship and then I see all 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.400 these wackos saying all this stuff on Twitter, um, and 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.560 I'm like, man, is that what people really want? Is 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.000 that really the attitude of everybody? But then when I 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.480 see like man, Twitter stocks, like, no, that's not right. 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:42.920 And we can see you know, Tucker Carlson, how many 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.680 views Tucker Carlsons getting a Joe Rogan two million views, 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:49.120 you know, smashing the entire city and in network. So 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.760 that's that's that's got to be more encouraging. Those are 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:53.520 people putting their money where their mouth is. Would you 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:57.040 say that's encouraging to you? Yeah, it's really encouraging. Um. 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:58.280 You know, at the end of the day, I think 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.880 money always speaks um and UM. If you look at 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.720 the views, that tells us which which direction we're going in, 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:06.640 you look at the money that tells us which direction, 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:10.840 um we're going in. Um. People will always vote with 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:15.800 their pocket um and ultimately if they're allowed to, if 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.600 they're allowed to, but then they vote in other ways. Right, 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.800 So like I'd say, watching Joe Rogan rather than CNN 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.680 is a form of voting in that you're turning the 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.880 attention somewhere else, and where there's attention, whoever has the 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:31.080 attention has the power. Um. And although you're not necessarily 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:34.360 setting Although Joe Rogan isn't setting policy, he is setting culture, 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:38.480 and culture is more effective than policy, um in my opinion. Um. 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.680 And so if we are watching and so and so, 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:46.840 it doesn't really matter what happens with these big boards 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:50.880 and councils and stuff like that. We're not interested because 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.000 we have a different community now. Um. We And it 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.280 is encouraging, you know. I think after didn't Joe Rogan 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.120 didn't It didn't like the mainstream media's attack on Joe 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:04.520 Rogan actually benefit him. He increased more views. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:06.400 I think I read that somewhere. I saw a lot 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.320 of people saying I've never listened to Joe Rogan before, 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:09.640 but now I want to start listening to him. Like 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:11.640 a bunch of tweets like that and came up. Um, 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.320 but I say, I say, if you're allowed to, because 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:15.680 that's a that's the piece that I want to dig 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.280 into next. And UM, I've been kind of making the case. 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.480 We saw with the truckers in Canada. You know, they 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:22.720 donated money to something that was legally protected and they 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:24.960 got their account shut off. They were frozen. And I've 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.240 been making the case that without the freedom and you, 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.120 without freedom of speech, there's no freedom. But without the 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.360 freedom of being able to transact and make payments, there's 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.040 no freedom. So if we're guaranteed the freedom of speech 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.280 and the United States Constitution, you guys don't have a 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:44.160 constitution over there in UK. But but in the guaranteed 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.600 the freedom of speech. But if but in today's day age, 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.200 if I can't buy a phone to go online, or 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.480 a computer go on social media to build a website, 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:53.360 I don't have freedom of speech. If I can't pay 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.720 to put gas in my truck to drive a freedom 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.480 of assembly. But if I can't put gas in my 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.320 truck to go to that assembly, I have no freedom 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.520 of assembly Either's it starts with the payments, and that 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.520 seems to be the next attacked vector. They want to 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:08.359 control those payments and so um obviously they do with 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.639 the dollar, and we saw that how they've done that 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.919 in Canada. Um, we saw how Russia superpower got their 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.800 bank accounts sezed as well, but the next stage that 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.560 they want to roll out, these central bank digital currencies 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:23.640 could give them unlimited, unprecedented power that I think most 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.960 people haven't really thought through it. And And I know you've 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:27.359 been spent a lot of time talking about this. I 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.720 want to dig into that. But you're listening to the 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.080 Mark Mos Show and we're talking about If you're just 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.119 tuning in, we're talking about bitcoin. We're talking about the 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:38.000 decentralized revolution. We're talking about how politics, technology and finance 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.000 are all coming together to change the world that we're 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.640 in right now. If you're not paying attention, it could 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:44.800 be left behind. It could be bad for you, especially 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.159 when it comes to these central bank digital currencies that 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.040 they're rolling out. We still have time to push back. 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.760 I'm joined in the studio by Layah Helpern and we're 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.879 gonna dig into that in a second. She has been 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:57.640 talking a lot about this. Of course I've been talking 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:59.919 about a lot as well. We still have time to 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.639 push back if you get educated. Um, so I got 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.560 a lot more to go over when I get back 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.520 in a second. Don't go away, all right, welcome back. 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.040 You are listening to the Markma Show. We're talking about bitcoin. 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.680 And cryptocurrencies. The decentralized revolution is I like to call it. 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.440 The world is changing rapidly right before our very eyes, 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.439 and we can either become victims to it, or if 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.359 we're paying attention, we can help shape the world that 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.800 we want and come out ahead on this. I'm in 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.480 the studio with Laiah Heilpern and we are talking about 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.359 this freedom of speech and this elon must Twitter pretty 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.040 interesting and kind of just the difference of what they're 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:36.960 they're they're telling us what they really want, stopping freedom 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.280 of speech and with the markets favoring UM. But now 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:41.280 it looks like this next attack victor is the money. 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:46.800 M Henry Kissinger famously said, control the food, you control 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.960 the people, control the energy, control the continent, control of 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.160 the money, you control the world. And so of course 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.240 those are three things that we're seeing. Attack on food, 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:56.679 an attack on energy, and attack on money. Um. And 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.920 this next attack on money seems to be the central 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.800 bank digital urgencies that they want to roll out. A 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.960 lot of people maybe don't realize what's happening because money 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.880 is pretty much digital anyway. UM. But there's a lot 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:09.480 more to that, and I know you've been thinking a 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.560 lot about that, right, La. Yeah, I think you make 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.240 a really interesting point. People don't realize because they think 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:19.160 money is digital anyway, so they're thinking which difference, Yeah, 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:21.639 now it is, yeah, but you know they're thinking, what's 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:26.320 the difference? Um, the differences efficiency? I would say, Um, 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.040 so right now they can block your bank. Um, they 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:33.480 can't necessarily confiscate money as such. I don't believe that 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:35.879 your money. Actually they can confiscate money. They did that 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.159 in cyper Us in two thousand and thirteen. So for 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:41.199 those that don't know, UM, in two thousand thirteen, UM 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:43.920 it was called it was called the Cyprios the Cypriate haircup. 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.639 So those who had over a hundred thousand euros in 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.160 the bank account had it had some of it basically 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.720 confiscated um to help pay back the economy. Because the 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:55.280 economy wasn't a very it was in dire straits essentially, 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:59.720 so they confiscated money from the wealthiest citizens to help 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:01.720 pay for it. People woke up the next day with 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:06.359 their life savings gone. Um. Now that's rare, I guess, um, 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:10.159 but it but it happens. I mean we saw, we 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:12.800 saw the Biden administration sees seven and a half billion 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.760 dollars of the Afghanistan Central Bank just recently, just in 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:17.679 the last couple of months, so the entire all their 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:19.880 money is gone. And then obviously in Canada their bank 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.160 accounts got seized, and then Ussia's bank accounts got see. 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.239 So it actually happens quite quite a bit. Yeah, And 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.320 I think that there's always there's a difference between like 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:31.119