1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of The Mark Moss Show, 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:07,039 Speaker 1: where we talk about bitcoin, cryptocurrencies and the decentralized revolution 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: that is happening. Of course, each and every week, I'm 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: trying to bring to you a little bit of education 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: to help you understand what's going on the latest breaking 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: news in some of the best and brightest and most 7 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: interesting people in the space, and of course that's what 8 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: we're doing today. I am joined in the studio with 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: one of my new friends, Leiah hail Burn Iowa. Thanks 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: so much for joining me. Hey, Mark, great to be 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: on the show. I'm a big fan of everything you 12 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: do with the education you do, so I'm excited to 13 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: join you. Yeah, it's cool to have you on. UM. 14 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: You had me on your podcast recently that was super fun. 15 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: Then we got to hang out in in Miami for 16 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: the Bitcoin conference, which was amazing, and uh, you decided 17 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: to stay there. I guess right. Yeah. I mean, Miami 18 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: is the land of the Free, It's what America is 19 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: supposed to be. UM, Miami is truly amazing. UM. I 20 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: actually interviewed the Maya um a few months ago, and 21 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: after speaking with him, I just felt so inspired, so 22 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: empowered to just make a better life. UM. And I 23 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: find that the general energy of affluence and entrepreneurship UM 24 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: and empowerment is so encouraging. UM. And it's very unique 25 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: in the world right now because I think that where 26 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: the world is in this weird kind of position whereby 27 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: it's so doom and gloom. You know, we've gone from 28 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: a lockdown to a war um. You know, and that 29 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: came from the riots with racism you know, back in 30 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: and you know, the vaccine US versus them, like it's 31 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: just been NonStop. Whereas down here in Miami it's just 32 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: so um, it's so empowering, it's really refreshing. Yeah. I 33 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: know that's a big draft for you. We've talked about 34 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: that quite a bit obviously. You just said that, right 35 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: seeing this kind of this air of excitement in and 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: around freedom and I you you talk a lot about 37 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: money in Cryptocurrey sees, which well we'll get into, but 38 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: just on that freedom peace. UM, it seems like on 39 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: one side, and I'd like your take on this, but 40 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: it seems like on one side, like it's like this 41 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: this this this idea of freedom and being able to 42 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: choose what you want and say what you want is 43 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: like so under attack, and it seems like the mainstream 44 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: media would have us believe that it's dangerous and people 45 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: don't want it, and then they have to they have 46 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: to control it. But on the other hand, it seems 47 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: like there's like this real thirst for it. And what 48 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: I see is that, um, you know, as Bitcorners we 49 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: talked about people respond to financial incentives and it's about 50 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: having skin in the game. And so if we look 51 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: at like the last election, Um, they do polls, and 52 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure they do them over in the UK, the saying, 53 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: but they do polls and people just say, oh, this 54 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: is what I'm going to vote for, and those are 55 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: typically like way off. But then there's like betting markets 56 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: where they bet and those are extremely right. And that's 57 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: because people put their money where their mouth is. And 58 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: that's kind of the same what the financial markets are 59 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: as well. And I thought what was interesting is there's 60 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: all this talk about Elon Musk buying out Twitter, and 61 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: it started because he was saying that, hey, there's way 62 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: too much censorship going on. We should have more freedom 63 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: of speech, and uh, you know what, what the heck, 64 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm rich, I'll just buy it and I'll just make 65 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: it free speech. And there's two interesting things that I 66 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: want to get your take on. So one, um, people 67 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: are freaking out because he wants freedom of speech, which 68 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: is pretty interesting. So that would make me think, and 69 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: it's mostly from the elites that make me think, we'll shoot, 70 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: do people really want that? But more importantly, the markets 71 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: seem to have spoken. So since the day that he 72 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: announced he was going to buy it until today, the 73 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: Twitter stock is up fifty so it's like the market. 74 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: So the people are like, we don't want free speech? 75 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: How dare he do this? But then the markets are like, yes, 76 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: we're buying Twitter. It's up fifty percent, which, by the way, Peloton, Zoom, 77 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: Shopify tech stocks are down eight and Twitter. What do 78 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: you make of that contrast? I mean, so we'll start 79 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: with the outrage over Elon Musk buying Twitter. I mean, firstly, 80 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: it's no surprise because unfortunately we live in a world 81 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: which just really um hate freedom of speech, and I 82 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: think that this, Yeah, it's true. Unfortunately some people do. Yeah. 83 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: I mean when I say live in a world, I 84 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: mean like generally speaking, and we know that to be 85 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: true because of all the censorship that's going on. Um, 86 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: you know whether it's the platform and canceling, um, you know, 87 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: blackening somebody's name and all this stuff. But I think 88 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: that the concerning that, the concerning thing is freedom of 89 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: speech is one of the most empowering things that there is. 90 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: Without freedom of speech, we are not free. Because freedom 91 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: of speech isn't just about physically speaking, right, It's about 92 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: the way you express your money. Um. You know what 93 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: things you have access to, freedom of movement and lots 94 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: of different things. Um. And it's just no surprise that 95 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: this is happening. Um. I think that we also live 96 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: in a world where people don't want to take personal responsibility, um, 97 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: which means they constantly have this sort of victim mentality. 98 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: So words hurt them. So I grew up being told 99 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: that sticks and zones will break your bones, but words 100 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: will never harm you. But that's not true anymore. Yeah, 101 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: that's not true anymore. So words really upset people. They 102 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: harm people. Words and our violence. Um. And unfortunately, this 103 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: kind of weak mentality has been passed down to us 104 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: from the elite, which is also why the elite don't 105 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: like the freedom of speech that Elon Musk is championing. Right. Um. 106 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren absolutely hates him. Um. From from what it seems, 107 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: so you have so you have like this that you 108 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: have this this kind of um victim and dependent narrative 109 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: which is being tricked, which is trickling down from those 110 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: at the top. UM. So it's it's no shock. At 111 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: the end of day. Words do not harm you. Um. 112 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: And I'm a huge advocate of freedom of speech because 113 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: people always like to say, well, you know, Hitler was 114 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: able to say whatever he wants it, and it's like, actually, 115 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: that wasn't freedom of speech because if you were against him, 116 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: then you get locked up or killed or whatever it is. 117 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: So that's not freedom of speech. Freedom of speech. With 118 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: freedom of speech, words really do have consequences. This is 119 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: the thing which people are upset about with Twitter. They 120 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: think that words now don't have consequences because you can't 121 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: get banned. Actually, your reputation is the biggest consequence. If 122 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: I went out there and I said something really revolting, 123 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: if I said, you know, whether it was crude sexually, 124 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: whether it was racist, whether it was you know, transphobic, 125 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is, my reputation is at risk. Um. 126 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: And then people will know who the real layer is, 127 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: and then they won't work with me, and then I'll 128 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: be in trouble and I won't have any friends or 129 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: whatever it is. You know, I really will be facing 130 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: the consequences of my words. Um. And that is the 131 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: beauty of freedom of speech. We can see people for 132 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: who they are. It's so dangerous to ban people because 133 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: then we don't really know. Here's the thing. I just 134 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: want to mention Alex Jones for a sect, because Alex 135 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: Jones has been de platformed. Um. I know he said 136 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: some really crazy stuff, and I think he apologized about 137 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: the He said that one of the shootings was a hoax. Um, 138 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: I think he apologized about that. But overall, Um, he's 139 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: been right about some things. He's been wrong about other things. 140 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: But because they banned him, UM, I don't actually fully 141 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: know all of his beliefs. I'm a bit too young 142 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: to know because I didn't I wasn't following him since 143 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: the beginning. UM, So now I don't know whether he 144 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: is a conspiracy theorist or not. Perhaps if they didn't 145 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: ban him, I would have a much more comprehensive and 146 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: better understanding about him, um, and be able to, um, 147 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, come to my own opinions and see truth. Um, 148 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: that's my problem. You know, words have consequences regarding the market. 149 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: Money speaks, Mark, money speaks. It is what it is, 150 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: isn't it. Um. People always knew that Elon Musk buying 151 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: Twitter is one of the best things. Um. It was 152 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: literally a failing platform. Unfortunately, I always compare it to Ethereum. 153 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's unusable, it's congested, there's too much going on, 154 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: and I can't see it was happening. Um. So yeah, 155 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that the money that the money speaks. Yeah. 156 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: So many good points that you brought up there. So 157 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: the first question I go back to is Um, you 158 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: had said that we were taught that words don't hurt us, 159 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: but today they do. Do you think that the elites 160 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: are saying that they do so we have this victim mentality, 161 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: so then they can use that as a lever to 162 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: control the speech. And actually I want to ask you 163 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 1: about that and then I want to get more back 164 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: into the the difference of what they're really doing and saying, 165 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: and then what the market is saying on top of that. 166 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: But before we do, uh, I just want to tell 167 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: everybody again, you're listening to the Mark Moss Show. Of 168 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: course we talk about bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, the decentralized revolution. I 169 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: like to talk about the intersection of politics, finance and technology, 170 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: which of course is what we're talking with. And I'm 171 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: joined in the studio by a Leah Lah Helper and 172 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: you can find her on Twitter. It's l A y 173 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: A H. Hilper and a T I L p e 174 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: r In. Give her a follow say hi to her there. 175 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: When we come back, I want to keep talking about 176 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: this elon musting a little bit, and then I want 177 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: to dig in on some central bank digital currencies, which 178 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: you might have heard has been coming, and what you 179 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: might not have heard is just how bad and how 180 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: dystopian these things could be. Um And I want to 181 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: discuss that with you because I know you've spent a 182 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: lot of time talking about that and there's a lot 183 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: to dig in there. So we'll be back in just 184 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: a minute. Listen to the Markma Show. We're back in 185 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: a second. Do not go away, all right, Welcome back. 186 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Mark mo Show. We're talking 187 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: about bitcoin, we're talking about the decentralized revolution. We're discussing 188 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: how politics, finance and technology are all coming together. And 189 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: changing the world as we see them. And of course 190 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: we were talking about before the break, talking about Elon 191 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: Musk and Twitter, which is politics and technology, I guess 192 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: even finance, right, it's all three, Um, all three of 193 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: those came together. Um but I guess uh. The elites 194 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: are want us to believe that words are violence, that 195 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: words are hurtful. Um. But I don't know if they 196 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: really believe them. It seems to me that they might 197 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: be using them as an excuse to to control the narrative. 198 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: We saw just I think today it was announced that 199 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: or yesterday that the Biden administration has now um is 200 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: now putting together I forget the word I don't have 201 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: in front of me, but some sort of disinformation czar 202 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, And this this lady I saw someone 203 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: posted today like a bunch of her tweets, old tweets, 204 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: and she posted super, super heavily about Donald Trump and 205 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: the Russian collusion and how um stuff about Hillary and 206 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: this and that, and all of those tweets have now 207 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: been proven to have been fake and false and paid 208 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: for by Hillary. So she was posting all this which 209 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: was massive disinformation. And now she's supposedly going to be 210 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: the czar. I mean, how insane is this? Yeah, it's 211 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: so insane. Um. I think Joe Very can actually put 212 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: it perfectly. He said his problem with misinformation, um quote 213 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: unquite misinformation with disinformation is that what is classed misinformation 214 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: today can then be classed as true the next right, 215 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: So corruption in terms of paid tweets and stuff aside. 216 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: Things are constantly changing, they told us, and they said 217 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: it everywhere. They said, if you have the vaccine, the 218 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: COVID vaccine, you will be you won't get COVID, right, 219 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: and that was allowed and that was okay. If you say, um, 220 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: the vaccine could cause some serious side effects, that's misinformation. 221 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: And we know the latter to be true, um, to 222 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: be the correct one. Um. And so I think I 223 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: think it's deeply concerning. They are trying to control the narrative. Um. 224 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: It's so obvious, you know. UM. And I think in 225 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: some ways, I'm almost happy that the last two years happened, um, 226 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: because it shows the true face of the establishment. And 227 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: I think it's woken a lot of people up, um, 228 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: particularly about the importance of decentralization and not trusting your government. Um. 229 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: You know. I did a tweet the other day, which 230 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: was which, which was something like, you know, the smartest 231 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: thing to do is to expect the worst from your government. Um. 232 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: You only have to look at the twentieth century. Um, 233 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: you only have to look at the last two years. Um. 234 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: And then I think the most bizarre part of it 235 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: all is if you say, um, if you say, okay, 236 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: let's do the vaccine one again. If you say, um, 237 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: the vaccine isn't fully effective, that's misinformation. Um. But if 238 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: you say men can get pregnant, that is correct. So 239 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: there's there's some there. So there's some kind of weird 240 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: psychological disconnection with reality here. Um. And it's absolutely done 241 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: on purpose. Um. It's not that the elite genuinely think 242 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 1: that words hurt. No, you don't become the head of 243 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: the World Economic Forum or president or prime minister because 244 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: words hurt your feelings. Absolutely not. You become that that 245 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: way because you are ruthless and smart and so on 246 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: and so on. Um. But what it does is it 247 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: creates a soxiety of dependent individuals, weak dependent individuals. Why 248 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: do you think there's a war on men and masculinity? 249 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: Because who's going to fight back when stuff hits the fan? 250 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: It's going to be the strong men. And if we 251 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: don't have strong men, then we will be trampled all 252 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: over who. I know, all these cute pictures um were 253 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: rising to the surface of women holding guns in Ukraine, 254 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: but I mean until I actually see a woman um 255 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: with with you know, boots on the ground, they don't 256 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: believe it. It's the men that go that go into 257 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: mainly generally speaking, it's the men that go and go 258 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: on with the boots on the ground and so on, 259 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: and so we have to be Yeah, we we have 260 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: to be very very careful. UM. And I don't know, 261 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: I don't know to what extent um this new disinformation 262 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: board is going to be implemented or I don't know 263 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: what capacity is going to affect us, particularly now you 264 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: know Elon Musk is the CEO or fan or owner 265 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: or whatever your Twitter Um, I don't know. But um, 266 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: that's when decentralization comes in. UM. And that's where UM, 267 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: voting with your feet comes in. That's where um. Yeah, 268 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: essentially voting with your feet comes in. If you don't 269 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: like what's happening in the US, UM, then you've got 270 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: to leave basically, Yeah, So so voting with your feet 271 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: back to uh, back to the Tesla stock. It's at 272 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: for me, that's encouraging because it gets discouraging when I see, 273 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, all this censorship and then I see all 274 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: these wackos saying all this stuff on Twitter, um, and 275 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, is that what people really want? Is 276 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: that really the attitude of everybody? But then when I 277 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: see like man, Twitter stocks, like, no, that's not right. 278 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: And we can see you know, Tucker Carlson, how many 279 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: views Tucker Carlsons getting a Joe Rogan two million views, 280 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: you know, smashing the entire city and in network. So 281 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: that's that's that's got to be more encouraging. Those are 282 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: people putting their money where their mouth is. Would you 283 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: say that's encouraging to you? Yeah, it's really encouraging. Um. 284 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, I think 285 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: money always speaks um and UM. If you look at 286 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: the views, that tells us which which direction we're going in, 287 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: you look at the money that tells us which direction, 288 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: um we're going in. Um. People will always vote with 289 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: their pocket um and ultimately if they're allowed to, if 290 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: they're allowed to, but then they vote in other ways. Right, 291 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: So like I'd say, watching Joe Rogan rather than CNN 292 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: is a form of voting in that you're turning the 293 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: attention somewhere else, and where there's attention, whoever has the 294 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: attention has the power. Um. And although you're not necessarily 295 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: setting Although Joe Rogan isn't setting policy, he is setting culture, 296 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: and culture is more effective than policy, um in my opinion. Um. 297 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: And so if we are watching and so and so, 298 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter what happens with these big boards 299 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: and councils and stuff like that. We're not interested because 300 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: we have a different community now. Um. We And it 301 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: is encouraging, you know. I think after didn't Joe Rogan 302 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: didn't It didn't like the mainstream media's attack on Joe 303 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: Rogan actually benefit him. He increased more views. Yeah, yeah, 304 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: I think I read that somewhere. I saw a lot 305 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: of people saying I've never listened to Joe Rogan before, 306 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: but now I want to start listening to him. Like 307 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: a bunch of tweets like that and came up. Um, 308 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: but I say, I say, if you're allowed to, because 309 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: that's a that's the piece that I want to dig 310 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: into next. And UM, I've been kind of making the case. 311 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: We saw with the truckers in Canada. You know, they 312 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: donated money to something that was legally protected and they 313 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: got their account shut off. They were frozen. And I've 314 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: been making the case that without the freedom and you, 315 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: without freedom of speech, there's no freedom. But without the 316 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: freedom of being able to transact and make payments, there's 317 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: no freedom. So if we're guaranteed the freedom of speech 318 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: and the United States Constitution, you guys don't have a 319 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: constitution over there in UK. But but in the guaranteed 320 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: the freedom of speech. But if but in today's day age, 321 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: if I can't buy a phone to go online, or 322 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: a computer go on social media to build a website, 323 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: I don't have freedom of speech. If I can't pay 324 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: to put gas in my truck to drive a freedom 325 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: of assembly. But if I can't put gas in my 326 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: truck to go to that assembly, I have no freedom 327 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: of assembly Either's it starts with the payments, and that 328 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: seems to be the next attacked vector. They want to 329 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: control those payments and so um obviously they do with 330 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: the dollar, and we saw that how they've done that 331 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: in Canada. Um, we saw how Russia superpower got their 332 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: bank accounts sezed as well, but the next stage that 333 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: they want to roll out, these central bank digital currencies 334 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: could give them unlimited, unprecedented power that I think most 335 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: people haven't really thought through it. And And I know you've 336 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: been spent a lot of time talking about this. I 337 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: want to dig into that. But you're listening to the 338 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: Mark Mos Show and we're talking about If you're just 339 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: tuning in, we're talking about bitcoin. We're talking about the 340 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: decentralized revolution. We're talking about how politics, technology and finance 341 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: are all coming together to change the world that we're 342 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: in right now. If you're not paying attention, it could 343 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: be left behind. It could be bad for you, especially 344 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: when it comes to these central bank digital currencies that 345 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: they're rolling out. We still have time to push back. 346 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: I'm joined in the studio by Layah Helpern and we're 347 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: gonna dig into that in a second. She has been 348 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: talking a lot about this. Of course I've been talking 349 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: about a lot as well. We still have time to 350 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: push back if you get educated. Um, so I got 351 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: a lot more to go over when I get back 352 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: in a second. Don't go away, all right, welcome back. 353 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Markma Show. We're talking about bitcoin. 354 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: And cryptocurrencies. The decentralized revolution is I like to call it. 355 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: The world is changing rapidly right before our very eyes, 356 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: and we can either become victims to it, or if 357 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: we're paying attention, we can help shape the world that 358 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: we want and come out ahead on this. I'm in 359 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: the studio with Laiah Heilpern and we are talking about 360 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: this freedom of speech and this elon must Twitter pretty 361 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: interesting and kind of just the difference of what they're 362 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: they're they're telling us what they really want, stopping freedom 363 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: of speech and with the markets favoring UM. But now 364 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: it looks like this next attack victor is the money. 365 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: M Henry Kissinger famously said, control the food, you control 366 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: the people, control the energy, control the continent, control of 367 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: the money, you control the world. And so of course 368 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: those are three things that we're seeing. Attack on food, 369 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: an attack on energy, and attack on money. Um. And 370 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: this next attack on money seems to be the central 371 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: bank digital urgencies that they want to roll out. A 372 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: lot of people maybe don't realize what's happening because money 373 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: is pretty much digital anyway. UM. But there's a lot 374 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: more to that, and I know you've been thinking a 375 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: lot about that, right, La. Yeah, I think you make 376 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: a really interesting point. People don't realize because they think 377 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: money is digital anyway, so they're thinking which difference, Yeah, 378 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: now it is, yeah, but you know they're thinking, what's 379 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: the difference? Um, the differences efficiency? I would say, Um, 380 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: so right now they can block your bank. Um, they 381 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: can't necessarily confiscate money as such. I don't believe that 382 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: your money. Actually they can confiscate money. They did that 383 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: in cyper Us in two thousand and thirteen. So for 384 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: those that don't know, UM, in two thousand thirteen, UM 385 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: it was called it was called the Cyprios the Cypriate haircup. 386 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: So those who had over a hundred thousand euros in 387 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: the bank account had it had some of it basically 388 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: confiscated um to help pay back the economy. Because the 389 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: economy wasn't a very it was in dire straits essentially, 390 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: so they confiscated money from the wealthiest citizens to help 391 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: pay for it. People woke up the next day with 392 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: their life savings gone. Um. Now that's rare, I guess, um, 393 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: but it but it happens. I mean we saw, we 394 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: saw the Biden administration sees seven and a half billion 395 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: dollars of the Afghanistan Central Bank just recently, just in 396 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: the last couple of months, so the entire all their 397 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: money is gone. And then obviously in Canada their bank 398 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: accounts got seized, and then Ussia's bank accounts got see. 399 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,239 Speaker 1: So it actually happens quite quite a bit. Yeah, And 400 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: I think that there's always there's a difference between like 401 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: actual confiscation and freezing. Um. I don't. I don't think 402 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: anybody's funds were confiscated in Canada, Am I wrong? Or 403 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: right to your point? They froze them and they the 404 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: next step would have been to take them, and I 405 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:45,239 Speaker 1: guess they gave most of them back under under immense pressure. Yeah, exactly. Um. 406 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: So with central bank digital currencies, they're on the blockchain, um, 407 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: but it's centralized um. And so the same awful monetary 408 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: policy which they have now printing money and so on 409 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: will be implemented. And I think the problem is that 410 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: there's this whole idea that they will be marketed as 411 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: better for the environment. They will be marketed as this new, shiny, 412 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: amazing coin. Um, it's so innovative. Look at us, We're 413 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: at the forefront of innovation. That's what's happening in the 414 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: UK anyway. Um, you've got these deadbeat politicians who are 415 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: coming back, as you know, rebranding themselves as new innovative 416 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: by promoting CBDCs. Um. But CBDCs are programmable. UM, so 417 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: if you hold the wrong opinion, Um, they can be programmed. 418 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: So you can't spend your money. So, given you know, 419 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: we're in the middle of this terrible climate catastrophe. Since 420 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 1: the sarcasm in my voice an emergency. Yeah, we're all 421 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: going to die in in a in a year, um, 422 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: as they've been saying for the last seventy years. Anyway. UM, 423 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: So given were at peak emergency here, UM, we've got 424 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: to be careful. You know, you can't buy too much 425 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: meat because meat is bad for the environment, and so 426 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: you could go and fill up your car, um, and 427 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: your CBDC could get declined. Why because you've reached your 428 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: pollutionism your your pollution allowance. You've reached that. Um. You 429 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: know you bought too much meat this week, that barbecue 430 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,239 Speaker 1: you had the other day, that was it. Um, And 431 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: this isn't that far off. This is the thing. UM. 432 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: I know it sounds crazy, but but it's just not 433 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: you don't have to look at the last two years. 434 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: Imagine if I said to you in two thousand and eighteen, 435 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: the whole world is going to be locked down for 436 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: something which has a nine survival rate, and they are 437 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: going to force you and mandate you to take something 438 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: which you don't necessarily need. Um, they're gonna in Europe, 439 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: they're gonna find you, um, three hundred euros a month 440 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: if you don't do it. I mean, it's ludicrous, and 441 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: yet it happened. Um, so the same will happen with CBDCs. 442 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: And you make a really good point. I think. I 443 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: think money is the root of everything. And you know, 444 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: you can have freedom of speech. Um, I can shout 445 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,479 Speaker 1: from the rooftop that I don't like my government. I 446 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: don't agree with this, I don't agree with that. Um 447 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything. Nobody's gonna hear me if I can't 448 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: pay to get somewhere where people can hear me. It's 449 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: like if if you scream in the middle of the woods, 450 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: is anyone going to hear you? If for tree fools, 451 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: did it really full? A couple of things I think 452 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: about central bank digital currencies too, is that it's uh, 453 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: it's programmable money. So right now, to your point, they 454 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: can freeze accounts or sees accounts, but it's not very 455 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: convenient for them, so there's a lot of things they 456 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: have to do. UM. But with programmable money, it's built 457 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: into the program. So for example, when they send out 458 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: the stimulus, the whole point was to stimulate the economy. 459 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: They wanted people to spend the money. A lot of 460 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: people didn't. They sat on the money. So they could 461 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: program the money and say, hey, lea, you here's your money, 462 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: but if you don't spend it by Friday, it comes 463 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: back to us. For example, sake a program or to 464 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: your point, they could say, hey, you know, smoking is 465 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: not really healthy anymore. It's not really an approved thing anymore. 466 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: So now you can't buy cigarettes anymore, um or you know, 467 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: alcohol or by alcohol process or whatever they want. Right, 468 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: you can't buy steak anymore. You shouldn't be eating meat anymore. 469 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: No more steak, right. I would not like that. They 470 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: could say. They could say, hey, you're you don't save 471 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: enough money, so we're gonna give you a five percent 472 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: interest rate. Hey, Mark, you're saving way too much. You're hoarding. 473 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: You have a negative ten percent interest rate. Hey you 474 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: have reparations. Hey, you're part of this minority group, whatever 475 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: it may be. As they can do all these things, 476 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: they can program it into the money, right, I mean 477 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: that that's it's behavioral modification, behavioral control. Really yeah, And 478 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: I think also we've got to emphasize the point that 479 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: the money can expire so they can print lots of 480 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: money to stimulate the economy. Um, that's their excuse for 481 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: flooding the system and causing inflation. It's to stimulate the economy. Well, 482 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: what if they want to do that, But what they 483 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: also say is we need people spending to stimulate the economy. Okay, 484 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: so you're I don't know, ten percent of your savings 485 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: will expire if you don't spend it with an X. 486 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: We're doing this to stimulate the economy for your good. 487 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: You used to think about that for a second. I 488 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: mean that literally what does that do? Though? What does 489 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: that do it? It doesn't allow you to save and 490 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: become financially free, build wealth. Their for you will always 491 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: have to work to have money. You become a slave. 492 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: You literally become a state, and this will be a 493 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: one way relationship. What does that mean? You think you think, 494 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: you think, you think President Biden's money is expiring. Absolutely 495 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: not you think the head of the Fed his money, 496 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: the chairman of the Fed, his money is expiring. No. 497 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: Given it to blockchain, technically we should be able to 498 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: see every single transaction that's ever happened, including where our 499 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: taxes are going, including where you know who Hillary Clinton 500 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: is paying for different This isn't going to be on 501 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: any open source blockchain exactly. And really it's not even money, right, 502 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: So money if you think about it, like back to 503 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: the Canada situation, they didn't seize the money, they froze it. 504 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: And part of the reason why they went back on that, 505 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: I said, under immense pressure, is because what happened is 506 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: everyone started going and pulling their money out of the bank. 507 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: Even Jordan Peterson went on and said, hey, everyone should 508 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: get their money out of the bank. And so there 509 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: was these massive bank runs and they're like, oh, shoot, 510 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: we we we better re change. We're better change the 511 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: changes than they did. But under a CBDC, there is 512 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: nothing to go pull out of the bank. There's nothing 513 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: to go pull out and put under your mattress or 514 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: in your safe. And so really, at the end of 515 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: the day, it's not money. What it is is the 516 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: government gives you credits on their ledger, and if you're 517 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: a good boy or girl and you get more credit 518 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: than if you're a bad boy or girl, they take 519 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: or whatever sex they deem you. I don't know about that, 520 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: and then they take credits away from you, right and 521 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: so really it's just like we get money as a 522 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: credit from the government. I mean that's very dystopian. Yeah, 523 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: I mean you can't even you can't even flee right, 524 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm always moving countries. Hopefully I'll settle in 525 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: Miami for a bit. Um, but I can come to Miami. 526 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: I come from London to Miami with my bitcoin, and 527 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: I know that I'm okay. Like if you know, I 528 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: ever need money, UM, I have a backup. I have 529 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: a savings technology which is going to which is mine 530 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: and nobody else can touch um. So essentially it's much Um. 531 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: It's concerning because who says you can bring that cross borders? 532 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: Who says that you can flee tyranny with that? You 533 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: can't because you don't own it, as you said, well, 534 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: it's program. They could just say, hey, you can spend 535 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: it in this country, but again, spend in that country. 536 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: Period you know, um, you're listening to the Markma Show. 537 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: We're talking about bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, the decentralized revolution. I'm in 538 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: the studio with Leiah help Burn. We're talking about central 539 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: bank digital currencies which are coming ready or not here 540 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: they come. They're already in China, a few other smaller 541 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: countries have already rolled them out. Of course, the United 542 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: States IF Reserve is talking about getting them out as 543 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: quickly as they can. I want to dig in a 544 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: little bit more. I have some other questions and some thoughts, 545 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: and there's some bills that are pushing back on this 546 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: that might hold it back. Some things to talk about. 547 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Mark Moa Show. I'm gonna be 548 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: back with more with Leia in a second. Do not 549 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: go away, all right, welcome back. You are listening to 550 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: the Markma Show. We're talking about bitcoin and the decentralized revolution. 551 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: We're talking about politics, finance, and technology all coming together 552 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: changing the world as we speak. I'm in the studio 553 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: with Leiah help Burn. We are talking about all three 554 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: of those things. We're talking about how the politics are 555 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: deciding to control the finance of the money um and 556 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: using this new technology and we're talking about central bank 557 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: digital currencies. Um. Now we're talking about how they can 558 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: be programmable money. Um. How really it's not money at 559 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: all because I can't withdraw it or hold it. It's 560 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: really just a ledger and they can choose to let me. 561 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: You can't. You can't escape with it in a country, 562 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: because they could say it only spends here, it doesn't 563 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: spend there. Um. I said earlier that without the freedom 564 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 1: of payments, there is no freedom. Um. When we were 565 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: at the Bitcoin conference, I gotta work the news desk 566 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: for a while, it's pretty cool. And I was working 567 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: the news desk when Alex Gladstein was on the stage 568 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: with Yomi Parks and I forget the other two people 569 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: that were on there, but she's, uh, she's kind of 570 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: famous for escaping North Korea and telling her story about that. 571 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: And she made a statement that was kind of what 572 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: I said, but the opposite, and it's something I thought 573 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: a lot about. And she said that without freedom, there's 574 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: no need for money. I say, without the freedom of money, 575 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,959 Speaker 1: there's no freedom. And she said, without freedom, there's no 576 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: need for money. And so what does that mean, Well, 577 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: in North Korea there's no freedom, and so UM. They 578 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: get their ration of rice and sugar, and they don't 579 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: have any need for money because there's nothing to buy. 580 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: There's no freedom, and so that's kind of what we're 581 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: talking about. In central digital currency. They'll give you their 582 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: ration of of checks on their ledger that you can 583 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: buy your staples with, but then they control what you 584 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: can and can't have, how much savings to your point 585 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: you made, how much savings you can have, things like that, 586 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: So it sounds very dystopian. Now there is some pushback 587 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: on this, So a couple of things that I'd like 588 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: to ask about. So one, you know, I don't know 589 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: that much about the government in the UK. I'm guessing 590 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: it's just as incompetent, if not more incompetent in the 591 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: United States government. So first off, in the United States, UH, 592 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: under Obama, they pushed through this Obamacare or a government 593 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: take over the health care UM and they built this 594 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: new website and the website is very simple, go on 595 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: and shop for an insurance plan. There's lots of insurance 596 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: companies that you can go shop for your insurance plan. 597 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: And they were going to roll this out and they 598 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: couldn't do it. They failed, It was delayed didn't work. 599 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: They spent two billion dollars to roll out a stupid 600 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: website and they couldn't even get that done. They finally 601 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: had to hire a private company to do that. Another 602 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: example is for the last forty years, the i r S, 603 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: the Internal Revenue Service, has tried to overhaul their tax 604 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: system and they have been unable to do that. Every 605 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: single year they mess up on hundreds and hundreds of 606 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: thousands of tax returns um. Just this year, after years 607 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: and years and years and years of years of trying 608 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: to do it, they said, you know what, Uh, we're 609 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: not going to do it. As a matter of fact, 610 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: We're just going to overhaul the couple core pieces of 611 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: it and then we're gonna just forget about the rest 612 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: and that won't be done until so that's uh, seven 613 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: eight years from now. So how competent do you think 614 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: the government is on actually rolling out a system that works? 615 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think they can get this done 616 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: in a couple of years or do you think that, 617 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: just like most government things, that will probably fail. It's 618 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: such a great question. Um. The reason why it's a 619 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: great question is because usually I would say I think 620 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: the government is incredibly incompetent. However, when there's a will, 621 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: there's a way. They managed to get a vaccine out 622 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: very quickly. They managed to get vaccine passports out of 623 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: very quickly. You're only allowed into the United States now 624 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: if you're vaccinated. This is a very very quick turnaround. Um. 625 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: And so it's very very they're very competent. Um. If 626 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: there is something to gain, they will do it. I 627 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: think a lot of the time, the bureaucracy and the 628 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: incompetence really just comes when there isn't the when there 629 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: isn't an alignment right and there's pushed back from the 630 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: other party. I remember Obamacare being very controversial at the time. 631 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: I was super young at the times, in an eight um, 632 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: but I remember it really well. I remember it being 633 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: very very controversial. So I imagine part of the difficulty 634 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: was all the pushback naturally incompetent people. But if you 635 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: have a group of individuals who are running the show, 636 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: who have one set goal, it will be doable and 637 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: it will be done when it needs to be done. 638 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: I think it was magined. Noirs, you imagine no ore 639 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: so um, I think it was imagined. It was who 640 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: said that the vaccine passport wasn't the goal that allowed 641 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: the physical infrastructure to be built for vaccine passports. So 642 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: now we have a we have something digital. We have 643 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: this digital infrastructure which can determine freedom of movement. But 644 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: they've leaned but all the all those all that has 645 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: been built by private companies. The government hasn't built any 646 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: of that out, correct, But so well, I don't know. 647 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: So then do you think that maybe the government won't 648 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: actually route a central digital currency, but instead they'll maybe 649 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: co opt an existing stable coin and say, now we're 650 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: gonna take the stable coin that's gonna be our money 651 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: now like because we can't do it. So that's maybe 652 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: kind of what you're talking about with a vaccine passport. Yeah, 653 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna know, I think it's going to 654 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: be a central mane digital currency. It's not going to 655 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: be a stable coin. Um, and I think that it's 656 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: going to be. It could be done with a private company. Um, 657 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: why not. Let's is the most efficient way to enslave 658 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: the people. Why not? That's what they've already just that's 659 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: what they've already done. Um, I mean China's done it. 660 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: Do you think China use a private company? Uh? No, 661 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: China Chowna doesn't do that. But do you think do 662 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: you think that the government, the US government doesn't maybe 663 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: have as big of a need or a rush to 664 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: do this one because the dollars are the reserve currency 665 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: of the world and they have and Jerome Pale actually 666 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: said this right we have, we have the most to lose, 667 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: and so we can't rush this would take our time 668 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: with it. But also how much of a demand is 669 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: there because the U S. Dollar stable coins are already 670 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: so prolific, they're already everywhere, they already make up a 671 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: huge percentage of it. So the U. S. Dollars already 672 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,479 Speaker 1: represented out there, and so maybe there's not the biggest 673 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,719 Speaker 1: need for other than there's the control aspect of it. 674 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: But if it's just if we're just talking about it 675 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: without the control, but man maintaining the dollars reserve status 676 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: in position in the world, maybe it's already there. I mean, 677 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: I don't I mean, any CBODC that we have would 678 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: be a would be a digital version of the U. S. Dollar. 679 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: So I don't think it would undermine the dollars position. Um, 680 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's necessary, don't think it's needed, 681 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 1: Like you said we have stable coins. That was working 682 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: very well, right, But but the question is to what 683 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: extent would they like to control the population. So if 684 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: you believe that everything is about the money like I do, 685 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: and everything is about control, then I see no reason 686 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: why this wing happened. I mean, weird stuff is happening, 687 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: weird stuff, like everything has just stepped up a notch. 688 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: What was that world you can work for? And video 689 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: which came out about in you have nothing and you'll 690 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: be happy? What is that? It's just weird. There's weird 691 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: stuff happening. The last two years was weird. I think 692 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: that it's odd, you know, so I think there is 693 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: a plan here. And she was also weird. Mark the 694 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: fact that everything has just dropped suddenly, everything is just 695 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: dropped variants. We don't talk about it anymore. We got 696 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: the new thing, right, the thing, the thing um and 697 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: then the thing. I'd say, also, you know obviously you 698 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: mentioned China. Well I brought up China. Then you asked 699 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: about China's private company. Um, China is in a total authority. 700 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: I mean they don't hide it. It's the CCP, the 701 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party, right, It's so there's no no hiding that. Um, 702 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: I don't know where the UK is, and there's some 703 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: version of that. Obviously, the US is still somewhat between 704 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: trying to go to a dictatorship and we're still kind 705 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: of somewhat free into republic here um. And so there 706 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: is a lot of pushback here. And so like Senator 707 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: to Ted Cruz um submitted to bill to block um 708 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: the Fed's ability to give accounts directly to the people 709 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: and like compress the banking stack, which I thought was 710 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: maybe one attack factor. And then we saw recently like 711 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: that e cash bill that got submitted where the Treasury 712 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: would actually have the ability to roll out their own 713 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: digital currency instead of the FED. And so there's a 714 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: fight there. UM. So you know, we'll see I think, um, 715 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: if this that gives me a little bit of hope, 716 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: and back to kind of a little bit of hope. 717 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: If if this sounds like something that you doesn't doesn't 718 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: really excite you, maybe scares you a little bit. Uh, 719 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: there's still plenty of time to push back on this. 720 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: If you were going to make a prediction, do you 721 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: think we'll see this in the next eighteen to twenty 722 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 1: four months or is this like five years or ten 723 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: years or how far. I think this is more five 724 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: years to ten years. But like you mentioned, that is 725 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: a lot of pushback. UM. I also think that the UM, 726 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,399 Speaker 1: I think the narrative is changing. UM. I think that 727 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: the push towards the left is becoming weaker. People are 728 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: waking up. UM. You mentioned politicians are standing up and 729 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: um sort of voting against these things. So I think 730 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: that we may not get that because we're having these 731 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: kinds of conversations. That's the point. More people are waking up. 732 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: And so I'm yeah, I'm I am optimistic. Yeah, well 733 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: I'm optimistic too. And it is scary because to the 734 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: point that we're making. I mean, this is money. This 735 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,240 Speaker 1: isn't something you can withdraw from the bank like in Canada. 736 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: It's something that they just have the ability to control 737 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: and they can devalue it or steal it from you 738 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: whenever you want. And so if you can't pull that 739 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: money out of the bank can put in your matchress, 740 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: then where do you store your wealth? Well that's where 741 00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: bitcoin comes into play. So that's why I'm such a 742 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: big proponent of bitcoin. It gives us the ability to 743 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 1: hold our wealth in a way that they can't create 744 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: more of it. They can't inflate it, nor can they 745 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,439 Speaker 1: steal it or prevent me from using us. It gives 746 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: me the freedom of payments as well. Um, you've been 747 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 1: listening to the Markmas Show. I've been joined by Leiah 748 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: Leiah Helper and you can find her on Twitter at 749 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: Leiah HELPERN and we'll put it in the show notes 750 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: as well, talking about bitcoin and the decentralized revolution and 751 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: that's what we got. Thanks for listening.