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Speaker 1: Morning.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode, can you spoilers for Foundation season three episode four,

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Speaker 2: The Stress of Her Regard? Hello, my name is Jason

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Speaker 3: News on Saturday, News on Saturdays. In today's episode, we

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Speaker 3: are talking about Foundation season three episode four, as Jason

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Speaker 3: said in our spoiler warning, The Stress of High Regard

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Speaker 3: And who do we need to spring us through this

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Speaker 3: strange space?

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Speaker 4: You know who it is. He's flying in on his spaceship.

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Speaker 3: He's going to tell you the difference between prim and Pridge,

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Speaker 3: and his name is and he is our spice master,

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Speaker 3: ready to throw us into the world of Foundation, which

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Speaker 3: I'm very happy about because I love this show. But

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Speaker 3: I often have questions, Aboo, what are you doing?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing great and honestly, I'm just here today to

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Speaker 5: remind everyone to never trust a guy who promises you

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Speaker 5: his nanites. No, he's never gonna follow through.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna get the nanites.

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Speaker 4: That's some sensible world.

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Speaker 3: That's some sensible world advice there, guys, that will lead

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Speaker 3: you on well as you enter into the week.

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Speaker 2: Let's dive into it. The stress of her regard. We

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Speaker 2: open in the Imperial Gardens. Demoselle is having her secret

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Speaker 2: therapy sessions with the Zephyr, and she.

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Speaker 4: She's one in the mind. Don't don't reveal this to

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Speaker 4: your even your therapist face.

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Speaker 2: As she immediately revealed off rip first forty seconds of

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Speaker 2: the episode that it was in fact her that was

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Speaker 2: behind the devastating starmage bombing and saying one killing millions,

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Speaker 2: and apparently she did it. She did it because she

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Speaker 2: thought it would strengthen foundation. She didn't do it at

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Speaker 2: the best of foundations, her and Harry were not working

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Speaker 2: together in any kind of way. But she did it

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Speaker 2: because she believed that it would extend foundations, that Foundations

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Speaker 2: strengthening through this would extend the amount of time that

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Speaker 2: Empire was together in whole and raining over the galaxy.

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Speaker 2: And she insists in this very casual way as she's

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Speaker 2: speaking about the death of millions, that she engineered that

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Speaker 2: she's like talking about it in this very cold and

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Speaker 2: calculated way.

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Speaker 3: Okay, maybe you still did it, like even if you

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Speaker 2: Like, so this is actually this is actually fascinating because

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Speaker 2: it speaks to a kind of loophole that Demarzelle may

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Speaker 2: or may not be working. Zephyr thinks, as her therapist

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Speaker 2: that Demarzelle is actually though her reason was to strengthen Empire,

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Speaker 2: and that would be the case in the medium term, medium.

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Speaker 1: Being several centuries.

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Speaker 2: In the long term, strengthening foundation would only weaken Empire,

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Speaker 2: and therefore, Zephyr believes that Demarzelle is using loopholes around

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Speaker 2: and the various other programmings that have been brought in,

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Speaker 2: and she's using those to essentially free herself from her

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Speaker 2: current I guess you would call it enslavement to Zephyr says,

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Speaker 2: Zephyr makes Demarsel consider what her original self would think

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Speaker 1: I working against Empire unconsciously.

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Speaker 2: She gets mad and tells the Zephyr to leave. This

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Speaker 2: Demarzelle becoming aware of her unconscious perhaps struggle to free

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Speaker 2: because again, her programming that she cannot resist is that

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Speaker 1: Mm hm fascinating. Aboo, what do you think?

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Speaker 5: My god? I loved this. I mean, yeah, I don't

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Speaker 5: know about y'all, but my therapy sessions also go very

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Speaker 1: Therapy session.

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Speaker 4: I'm WoT you tell me this intrinsic truth about myself.

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Speaker 5: most compelling drivers of this season is the Deverzel question

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Speaker 5: glad we're getting more therapy scenes. I'm locked in whenever

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Speaker 5: that we're asking these questions, these existential questions about what

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Speaker 5: it means for Demozel to be a robot and for

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Speaker 5: this is sci fi ed. It's best. It's what I

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Speaker 2: It's really this was I've been thinking about this for

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Speaker 3: It also like it feels very relevant in twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: Though I am always like, if it's secret therapy, I

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Speaker 6: It's like, especially when you're dropping big bombs like this,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, literally, So apparently Pritchard flew directly from the party

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Speaker 2: on Kalgan to Ignis. He arrives on Ignis prem and preach,

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Speaker 2: Embrace and then Galeen preach make out, Yo.

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Speaker 4: What's happening?

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, when did this happen?

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Speaker 5: This is a that's definitely a huge question. I also

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Speaker 5: want to just hand it to Gail for a huge

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Speaker 3: Dying pieces, never ever ever missed every single time.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing about Gail. She's a math nerd. But

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Speaker 2: she only needs to count to ten because that's all.

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Speaker 2: So Pritches like, I got crazy updates from the party

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Speaker 2: so let's talk about it. Pream who is a metallic?

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Speaker 2: Remember they're unignissed the planet of the mentallics, and Preme

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Speaker 2: Britch says, Listen, he went through my mind because for

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 3: I know, Dale pick a bass by, but also like

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Speaker 2: They got and and he says, listen, he didn't get everything,

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Speaker 1: How do you know what?

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Speaker 4: How do you know about that?

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Speaker 1: This is actually really alarming. He might he might know everything.

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Speaker 2: He might, but Preach seems very sure. Prem then realizes,

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Speaker 2: Who knows, but clearly he's a part of this.

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Speaker 5: Even says I didn't need to hear it, I still.

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Speaker 3: Think, right, Okay, So I want to know is that

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Speaker 3: I think this is such a cool idea and something

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Speaker 4: You know, obviously we have you know, Jiz music from.

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Speaker 6: Star Wars, we have like the Canteena bands, But like

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Speaker 3: I think it might be called like the address this song.

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Speaker 3: to it. Soboo, is that like a thing from the.

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Speaker 1: Books that is not?

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Speaker 5: No, the whole Magnifico thing is a total reinterpretation. Magnifico

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Speaker 2: So Prime also discovers that, or realizes that, Look at

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I'm happy for them, right, and I

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Speaker 3: love that this show. This is another thing I think

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Speaker 4: But I am also honestly like I did not expect

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Speaker 3: When Pritch is basically like, hey, I don't know anything,

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Speaker 3: Like what are we gonna do? I don't fucking know,

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Speaker 4: Like he's getting rewards, but he needs to do more business.

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Speaker 5: That's true. I also want to touch on the little

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Speaker 5: in this show. Fritch seems to really be leaning toward

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Speaker 2: Figure out what to do about him. All the Empire

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Speaker 1: Everything's over in four.

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Speaker 1: What I really love about this scene is how Quent

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Speaker 1: And then Gale and Don go on the run. We

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Speaker 2: I am part of Second Foundation and we're gonna work

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, this is a great episode of the Foundation

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Speaker 5: Yes, off bombshell and honestly it ended with bombshells.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what I was gonna say. It's like,

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Speaker 5: Oh gosh, I mean, here's here's kind of my sacrilegious

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Speaker 5: everything on Trantoris, but also how human and how personal.

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Speaker 5: Like I feel much more attached to Dawn, day and

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Speaker 5: dusk than I do to Gale or Pridge or Prem

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Speaker 5: And now with Harry gone, I am actually kind of

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Speaker 5: feeling the lack of Harry's presence in that half of

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Speaker 5: the story, whereas whereas the tran tour side of the

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Speaker 5: story just continues to get stronger and stronger. And I

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Speaker 5: had chills with the final shot. And I believe near

444
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Speaker 5: the end of the episode, Day has this little voiceover

445
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Speaker 5: moment where he's like, nobody escapes Empire, not even a Kleon,

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Speaker 5: but I'm going to see how far I can get. Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 5: I got chills at that. I loved this episode.

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Speaker 3: Human thing to have through this. It's the same reason

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Speaker 3: why even the Game of Ferns was like nothing like

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Speaker 3: what we could kind of comprehend. You have these characters

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Speaker 3: you follow, you have these human journeys, and I think

452
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Speaker 3: this idea of like wanting to escape your fate, wanting

453
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Speaker 3: to be with the person you love, there's a classical trope,

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Speaker 3: you know, classical themes, and I think that's really clever.

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Speaker 2: I can't stop thinking about the de Marzelle piece and

456
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Speaker 2: whether or not she is working for or against Empire.

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Speaker 2: I don't think she knows. She clearly does not know

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Speaker 2: if she's working for or against. And I do wonder

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Speaker 2: if I wonder what her moves now are predicated on,

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Speaker 2: because clearly she's trying to hold everything together. She's been

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Speaker 2: using the Prime Radiant to try and see around the

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Speaker 2: corner and figure out.

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Speaker 1: A way to.

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Speaker 2: Keep Empire in power for longer than it seems like

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Speaker 2: it's going to be. None of that is working, and

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Speaker 2: at the same time, it's also kind of clear that

467
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Speaker 2: she hastened this fall on by the bombing of the StarBridge.

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Speaker 2: I mean about walk me through what her thinking on

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Speaker 2: the bombing of the StarBridge and how that would actually

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Speaker 2: strengthen Empire, I guess because it would put them on

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Speaker 2: a war footing against Foundation and make people feel like

472
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Speaker 2: Foundation is bad and should be exit. Therefore, you know,

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Speaker 2: all rally around the empire. But where do you think, So,

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Speaker 2: what do you think her motivations are? And where do

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Speaker 2: you think she stands now in terms of her actual motives.

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Speaker 4: I think she.

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Speaker 5: Says a really powerful line to the therapist at the start.

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Speaker 5: It's something along the lines of the Cleons are driven

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Speaker 5: by their emotions and not their logic, and I know

480
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Speaker 5: this about them, And she admits like one of the

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Speaker 5: reasons that she did the whole StarBridge thing was to

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Speaker 5: give Harry Selden's predictions credibility that things were going to

483
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Speaker 5: collapse that empire was in decline in order to stop

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Speaker 5: the day of that era, Day seventeen or day seven,

485
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Speaker 5: whatever it was, from just killing Harry Seldon and ending

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Speaker 5: the Foundation outright. And so I think she's certainly manipulating

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Speaker 5: the Empires in that sense, but the larger question of

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Speaker 5: why does she feel like empire needs to exist? I

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Speaker 5: do think this is another read on Empire and on

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Speaker 5: the Cleons by Demsel. I think she knows that they

491
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Speaker 5: are at their best when they have a shared and

492
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Speaker 5: common adversary to work against, and right now we're watching

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Speaker 5: them crash out because they have no unifying force to

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Speaker 5: work against. Right now, it's a great and all they're

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Speaker 5: facing is their ultimate demise and their decline, and there's

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Speaker 5: nothing they can do about that. There's no one enemy

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Speaker 5: they can point at to rally themselves into action. And

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Speaker 5: I think Demisel recognizes that about Empire and maybe realize

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Speaker 5: we need Foundation as an enemy so that empire emboldened

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Speaker 5: and strengthened.

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Speaker 2: I think that makes sense. We're headed towards the situation

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Speaker 2: where in three or four days in fictional time, Ascension

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Speaker 2: Day will happen. Theoretically, dusk is you know, moves on

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Speaker 2: to greener pastures and the Great Under. Everybody moves up

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Speaker 2: a slot, but days Gone has left, escaped and is

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Speaker 2: heading towards Micagen down also gone off planet.

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Speaker 1: Do we unspool to.

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Speaker 2: New emperors Emperor Cleons and then keep Dusk like in

509
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Speaker 2: play just because like we need somebody offense. This is

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is Dusk's opening, right, He's like, listen,

511
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Speaker 2: everybody's we gotta have somebody.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's good.

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Speaker 4: It's just me. I'm the only one.

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Speaker 1: End. What do we do? What do we do here?

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Speaker 5: Boo gosh, I don't know what we do because I

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Speaker 5: will say. Dusk also is pushing back against Demerzelle. He

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Speaker 5: showed the ambassador the Prime Radiant and was like, Demrizel,

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Speaker 5: it don't come to this meeting. I'll find you're not

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Speaker 5: invited to this. Like all of the Cleons, especially now,

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Speaker 5: I think, Jason, you made a point earlier that knowing

521
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Speaker 5: the future alters the future, right, just the knowledge of it.

522
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Speaker 5: And I think knowing that Demerzel is a robot has

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Speaker 5: altered the Cleons way off course, right like now now

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Speaker 5: they are all actively working against Demerzelle. Dusk has built

525
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Speaker 5: his death star without Demrizel's knowledge. Apparently Don has escaped,

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Speaker 5: Day is off doing whatever he wants. I think Demiselas

527
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Speaker 5: is starting to lose her grasp on the cleons, And

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Speaker 5: I don't know how you get that. Even if you

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Speaker 5: decant a new one, they still know you're a robot.

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Speaker 2: They still I agree with you, But I would imagine

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Speaker 2: the desire to like re up the memory wiping progress.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I feel like that's probably how.

533
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Speaker 2: That she had been running for centuries up to up

534
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Speaker 2: to the up to the mid season two where that

535
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Speaker 2: was revealed. Maybe there's a way that she can like

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Speaker 2: wipe certain memories and then decant a new one and

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Speaker 2: then get a pure version. But even now, I don't

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Speaker 2: see how, because they would have the decantids would, for instance,

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Speaker 2: have all of Day's memories up to the moment that

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Speaker 2: he left.

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Speaker 1: The palace, right like, so would understand like, oh.

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Speaker 2: Off the reservation, like working against Demmersello and Empire, and

543
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Speaker 2: Dawn is out there doing who knows what, like right,

544
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Speaker 2: so they would have their memories right until they left

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Speaker 2: the palace, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I also just wonder if, like the Demosel was seeing now,

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Speaker 3: is this also something to do with like her become

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Speaker 3: Demosel becoming obsessed with like am I working for? Am

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Speaker 3: I working against? Like what's happening? I wonder if that

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Speaker 3: journey also just has her crash out a little bit

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Speaker 3: and kind of stop the focus on what she's supposed

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Speaker 3: to be doing and become more of this kind of

554
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: internal battle almost like it was giving. It's very, uh,

555
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Speaker 3: total recall, like both the story and the Honors Watchenegga movie,

556
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Speaker 3: but like the idea of like are you really this

557
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Speaker 3: person that you think you are or are you someone else?

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Speaker 3: And that's been pushed down inside you, like the Quaid

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Speaker 3: House a thing. I'm so interested to see where they

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Speaker 3: go with that, because that to get back to where

561
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Speaker 3: they were and to get back to what Demozel is

562
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Speaker 3: supposed to be doing is a really really complicated thing.

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Speaker 3: So maybe that doesn't even come up for a little while.

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Speaker 3: Maybe Demozelle is just doing trying.

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Speaker 5: To work out We've got another Demoiselle bomb or two

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Speaker 5: left in this season.

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Speaker 1: Oh for sure.

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Speaker 5: I think they're holding back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean Ascension Day is looming, guys, I mean.

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Speaker 1: A historic ascension day.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be so fucking messy. Like these guys are

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Speaker 4: so messy and I love them.

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Speaker 2: Well, Laboo, thank you for joining us again to take

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Speaker 2: on Foundation Season three. Coming up on Extra Vision, we're

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Speaker 2: talking X Men, We're talking weapons and more, and that's

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Speaker 2: it for this episode. Thanks for listening. X ray Vision

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