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Speaker 1: Mets up? Listeners back here for episode number sixty one

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Speaker 1: of the mets up podcast. Of course, I'm your co host,

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Speaker 1: draftneck Mark Mark Luino here with James Shiato. Had no

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Speaker 1: range talk about the New York Mets and boy do

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Speaker 1: we have a lot to talk about. James, he did

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Speaker 1: his jinks. He texted me was it yesterday? Two days ago?

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Speaker 3: And he said it was yesterday? Like like fi And.

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Speaker 1: You said I don't know what we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: on this podcast. There's nothing to talk about. And literally,

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Speaker 1: since then, we have seen Luis Rojas get hired as

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Speaker 1: there have been three big things that have happened in

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Speaker 1: Mets world since that text. The James Ciano jinks is real,

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Speaker 1: it's alive and luckily for us, give us something to

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Speaker 1: So you heard what we're gonna be talking about. The topics.

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Speaker 1: They're big, we got a lot to say about them,

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Speaker 1: as well as we're gonna do the Brett Batty interview

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Speaker 1: at the end, and we're gonna talk about Marcus Stroman.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna break down what we think his contract should

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Speaker 1: just kind of breaking down Marcus Stroman in general, which,

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Speaker 1: as you guys know, we want Marcus Stroman on this team,

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Speaker 1: especially after this no Cinderguard news. Now, before we do

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Speaker 4: I'm doing good Man, kind of in haze right now.

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Speaker 4: Got off a red eye flight this morning. Took an

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Speaker 4: awkwardly time nap. I'm feeling good ready talking about the

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Speaker 4: Mets after I created so much content for us on

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Speaker 1: I actually didn't know that you came back today. I

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Speaker 1: thought you came back yesterday. No read I that's a

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Speaker 1: rough flight. But that see what we're doing for you

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Speaker 1: listeners and viewers. We come off a red eye flight,

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Speaker 1: talk baseball. Let's do it. Let's talk about no Cindergard.

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Speaker 1: That's the first thing that I think everybody wants to

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Speaker 1: because it came out of nowhere. I mean, there hasn't

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Speaker 4: He's completely gone. You said it in the intro, But

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Speaker 4: the Mets got absolutely blindsided here. Oh, like this came

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Speaker 1: Not me, But to say that it doesn't hurt would

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Speaker 1: Bizarre that they basically weren't even given a shot to

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Speaker 4: Like, and also like maybe they didn't even really want

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Speaker 4: Weird from the Angel's perspective, because, like I said, the

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Speaker 4: Like the value in giving No cinder Guard a contract

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Speaker 1: I feel like his role, if you're smart, going into

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Speaker 3: What you're paying that guy twenty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: No, but that's what I'm saying. The twenty million dollars

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Speaker 1: there just is no way that Noahs Cinderguard pitches more

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, and he probably won't even want to. I'll

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Speaker 4: He can be that good. I just don't see that

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Speaker 4: to offer a long term contract if and when it

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Speaker 4: But now you lose that, and that is that really

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Speaker 3: Is the question?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it also makes me question even more with

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Speaker 4: That's your saving grace. I thought you're saving grace would

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the tea guys that were on this roster,

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Speaker 1: He got fucked. I wanted to shake all Jacoby Elsbury's

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Speaker 3: And not saying that he was the one who did that.

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Speaker 4: to twenty twenty are some of the most chaotic baseball

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Speaker 4: rosters that have ever been assembled.

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Speaker 3: And of course he was a little hamstrung.

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Speaker 4: He had to deal with massive contracts that were given

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Speaker 4: to Albert Pooholes, Josh Hamilton, the CJ.

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Speaker 1: Wilson, Dan Herron I think was still.

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Speaker 4: There were some bad contracts there, for sure. But sometimes

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Speaker 4: when life gives you lemons, you have to make lemonade.

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Speaker 4: Like life gave Billy Upper lemons, and he gave us

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Speaker 4: back lemons. It really is it Like there were like

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Speaker 4: a lot of guys in the bottom of these rosters

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Speaker 4: that wound up being massive contributors later in their careers

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Speaker 4: that Billy Eppler said wanted no business as a part

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Speaker 4: of this team, Like they got nothing out of G

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Speaker 4: Menchoy and CJ.

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Speaker 2: Crohn.

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Speaker 4: They were just there were guys who just were shuffled

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Speaker 4: up in town between Triple A Salt Lake and eventually

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Speaker 4: just let go for nothing. The DFA Kirby Yates when

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Speaker 4: he was bouncing around as a reliever, which is hilarious,

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Speaker 4: he traded for a twenty nine year old Justin Upton,

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Speaker 4: was tricked by some success and then gave a thirty

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Speaker 4: year old Justin Upton five years for one hundred and

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Speaker 4: five million dollars. These are not winning moves.

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Speaker 1: No, there was not a whole lot of winning going

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Speaker 1: on in Los Angeles. I mean you think about the

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Speaker 1: talent that they had, and one of the guys that

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Speaker 1: you always think of is Mike Trout, and they did nothing.

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Speaker 3: But that was it.

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Speaker 4: There was no I don't want to say there was

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Speaker 4: other talent in this seit he there wasn't a lot

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Speaker 4: to work with. But Billy Eppler like really found a

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Speaker 4: way to never ever improve at all, even slightly. It

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Speaker 4: seemed like Billy Eppler really fell in love with guys

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Speaker 4: who were towards the tail end of their prime. He's like,

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Speaker 4: oh God, I'd love to give you six or seven

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Speaker 4: years and pay you a lot of money to be old.

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Speaker 4: Like that's what I'm so into paying you after you're thirty.

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Speaker 4: They had like Lostella on those teams. Who's some other

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Speaker 4: position players those Angels teams had.

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Speaker 3: I think they gave Andrelton Simmons a bag.

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Speaker 1: They did give Angelton Simmons the bag.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if that was Eppler, though

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Speaker 4: that might have been. It was him, so gave him

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Speaker 4: the Anderson Simmons contract. He hired Brad Ostmas to be

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Speaker 4: the special assistant to himself, which that guy in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 4: there's very few.

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Speaker 1: Managers I hate. I hate Brad Ostmas.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's better get Ustwix. He's gonna manage the Mets

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Speaker 3: this season.

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Speaker 1: What a time to be a Mets fan.

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Speaker 4: Also, Billyeppler was a part of the Angels organization as

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Speaker 4: they underwent an actual narcotics scandal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a little somber note there.

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Speaker 3: Definitely.

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Speaker 4: He hired Mickey Callaway, which him being a sexual Preser was,

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Speaker 4: as Ken Rosenthal b Early put it last year, the

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Speaker 4: worst kept secret in baseball. Billy Upper hired him. That's

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Speaker 4: the guy I want, that's the guy I want. And

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Speaker 4: then like, we're gonna throw out some roster names right now.

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Speaker 4: But pitching, especially like the pitching in those Billiyuppler years

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Speaker 4: to the Angels was actual nonsense. Like Garrett Richards was

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Speaker 4: starting every opening day, Matt Schumacher, Nick Tropeano Parker Bridwell,

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Speaker 4: Jarrett Parker, Like, these names are absolutely insane.

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Speaker 1: I got a few for you. How about Rickynlaska at

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Speaker 1: thirty four.

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Speaker 3: Years of Alasko?

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Speaker 4: My god, remember Justin bore Yeah, he got flat hunter

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Speaker 4: that year for these teams as they let c J.

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Speaker 3: Krans g Manjoy go.

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Speaker 1: God, these teams were so bad. He tried to give

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Speaker 1: Andrew Bailey another shot, the guy who hadn't been able

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Speaker 1: to pitch in like six years. He brought around Brendan

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Speaker 1: Ryan everywhere he's ever been. He loves Brendan Ryan. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure he'll find his way into the front office somehow

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Speaker 1: with the Mets. He just like doesn't make good moves.

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Speaker 1: Danny Espinoza, did you mention him no?

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Speaker 3: As a time of ostellis.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Danny Espinoza had a real strong five hundred

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Speaker 1: ops and ninety games there, like he had a knack

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Speaker 1: for finding just garbage.

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Speaker 4: These were consistently the dumbest rosters in baseball for five years.

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Speaker 4: You would look at the Angels and be like, who

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Speaker 4: the fuck is playing third base for the Angels every

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Speaker 4: single year, every single night, every single summer from twenty

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Speaker 4: fifteen through twenty twenty without fail until I signed Rendo

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Speaker 4: because I was just specifically talking about their base.

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Speaker 1: But Eppler didn't want Rendon. Eppler did not want Rendon.

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Speaker 1: Artie Moreno's like, we're getting Anthony Rendo because I need

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Speaker 1: to know who my third basement is.

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Speaker 4: It's just chaos, And like if I wanted to give

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Speaker 4: Eppler one small victory, like their player development did lightly

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Speaker 4: improved under him. They went from having clearly one of

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Speaker 4: the worst farm systems in baseball to somewhere in like

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Speaker 4: the twenties, which is like still horrible. That's something he

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Speaker 4: drafted Joe Adell, Brandon Marsh and Griff Cannon, guys who

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Speaker 4: made the major leagues and who look like they might

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Speaker 4: be okay players, Like I'll take that.

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Speaker 3: I guess yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I at least given the most credit

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Speaker 1: for is Otani because no one really had the Angels

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Speaker 1: as are team pegged for Otani, and Otani ended up there.

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Speaker 1: And that could be something that we could take as

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Speaker 1: a positive for the Mets because Seyo Suzuki, while he's

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Speaker 1: not going to be Sho Heeyotani is the next big

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Speaker 1: thing coming out of Japan and he's due to post

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Speaker 1: any day now. So maybe Billy Yepler has a little

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Speaker 1: hand up in international negotiations, which the Mets have been

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Speaker 1: notoriously horrible at.

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Speaker 4: I think just being in California gives you a leg

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Speaker 4: up in international negotiations, being on the West Coast and

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Speaker 4: being a four hour flight to Japan rather than being

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Speaker 4: in New York and having like an eleven hour, twelve hour,

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Speaker 4: thirteen hour flight back and forth of Japan. I don't

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Speaker 4: think you know how far Japan is, and I'm taking it.

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Speaker 1: I'm taking a guess it is not four hours from

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Speaker 1: California flight.

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Speaker 3: How longs a flight from Japan to Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking it up right now. I'm pretty sure it's

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Speaker 1: like close to ten, No, four hours. I'm gonna laugh.

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Speaker 1: It is ten hour flight, so even better, it's seventeen

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Speaker 1: to get back to New York. Yeah, I mean they're

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Speaker 1: closer by all means.

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Speaker 3: It is closer Japan. That's an easy one for.

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Speaker 1: Two hours, so long it takes to get from New

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Speaker 1: York to Arizona.

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Speaker 3: I've never been to Asia.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, back to Billy Eppler, after we just forgot how

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Speaker 1: far away Japan is.

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Speaker 2: What can you do?

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Speaker 1: You're tired, you had a red Eye ready, your flight

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Speaker 1: from Utah in New York was four hours today. You're right,

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Speaker 1: oh boy.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, oh boys. Right.

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Speaker 4: But bottom line, these teams of Uppler had high ranking

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Speaker 4: roles with There was one series victory in the playoffs,

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Speaker 4: and it was over Buckshaw, Walter and the Orioles.

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Speaker 1: Who could also be a manager of this Mets team.

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Speaker 4: I give that no credit whatsoever to that. Like, the

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Speaker 4: only really thing I'm gonna pull from this is that

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Speaker 4: two things. One him and David Searns are best friends,

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Speaker 4: and the two the Mets are beefing up their analytics

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Speaker 4: department in such a way that it seems like we

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Speaker 4: could possibly even insulate Billy Eppler from all the baseball

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Speaker 4: decisions which would be great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like this, it's it sounds so disrespectful,

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Speaker 1: but like, boy, I don't feel great giving him the

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Speaker 1: keys to my car.

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Speaker 3: There's no juice here.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he has a license. I'm really

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Speaker 1: not sure how he ever got one. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: who you took the test with. But he has failed

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Speaker 1: every single test given and he's getting another job. I

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Speaker 1: don't like I want to I'm not all done with

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Speaker 1: Steve Cohen yet. That was a lot of like stuttering

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Speaker 1: there because I'm thinking of my words really carefully here.

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Speaker 1: Not done with Steve, but boy, oh boy, it feels

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Speaker 1: like a lot of the old same stuff that we

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Speaker 1: had with the will Ponds, guys who are not qualified

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Speaker 1: or have either failed at the job that they have

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Speaker 1: and we'll give you another shot. Try it with us.

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Speaker 1: It could be different.

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Speaker 4: It just feels like there's gonna be a boys club again,

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Speaker 4: and like boys clubs have one world serious theofste has

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Speaker 4: won two World Series as a member of various boys clubs.

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Speaker 4: It seems like those Nationals front offices were boys clubs.

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Speaker 4: But it just feels like like frat hoouse vibes right now,

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Speaker 4: and also like being the riches owner in baseball not

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Speaker 4: showing out a few extra million dollars for noah'sindergarten, even.

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Speaker 3: Though he may not have had an opportunity to.

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Speaker 4: That's just all a knock on the front office himself

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Speaker 4: for not being aware this was happening.

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Speaker 1: Yep, you can't. He gotta take it right out under

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Speaker 1: your nose. That can't happen. That can't happen when he's

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Speaker 1: your guy, he was on the team. You can't just

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Speaker 1: you can't let that happen. And then adding in this guy,

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Speaker 1: Billy Yeppler, who I hope he proves me ro guy Billy,

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Speaker 1: I hope he proves us both wrong. I hope we

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Speaker 1: look like idiots. And you can come back to episode

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Speaker 1: number sixty one of the Mets the Podcast and go,

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Speaker 1: you morons you didn't believe in Billy. I will happily

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Speaker 1: turn the other cheek and get right on board. But

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Speaker 1: I am not feeling great right now.

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Speaker 4: They'd be nothing better than me eating these words like

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Speaker 4: I would be so thrilled if now Billy Eppler makes

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Speaker 4: all these cunning, attractive contract and offers right now, and

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Speaker 4: we have this incredible team of value and talent and strength,

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Speaker 4: but I'd like to see that happen before. And then again,

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Speaker 4: the one thing that the Mets fans can hang their

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Speaker 4: hats on this offseason is that we're really building up

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Speaker 4: this analytics department. We're hiring tons of new people. There

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Speaker 4: were gonna be up to about thirty by the end

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Speaker 4: of the off season, and we're acquiring talent, like talent

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Speaker 4: from like an employee standpoint in creative ways, saying that

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Speaker 4: we just kind of want people who know about data,

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Speaker 4: no bastistical modeling, all the things that the best organizations

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Speaker 4: of baseball do when they beef up their analytics staff.

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Speaker 4: You kind of want some people know about baseball, but

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Speaker 4: it's kind of helpful to have some people who don't,

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Speaker 4: so there's no biases, there's fresh perspectives. But for some reason,

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Speaker 4: some people didn't think that was that good of an idea,

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Speaker 4: and a lot of people found a reason to jump

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Speaker 4: on the Mets for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which that leads us to our favorite friend, John

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Speaker 1: Boy Jimbob. Jimbob, this was a pretty awful, awful take.

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Speaker 1: The Mets put out a job posting right about analytics.

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Speaker 1: They wanted to hire someone at a very low ranking job.

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Speaker 1: Essentially an essentially no rank. Actually, yeah, no rank. You're

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Speaker 1: just working for the Mets. We're gonna pay you. We

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Speaker 1: want to see what you got. We want some information.

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Speaker 1: We want a new, fresh idea on how things should

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Speaker 1: be looked at, information studies, all this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: I think you're pulling up the tweet right now as

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about it. But people around the league who

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Speaker 1: know what they're talking about were applauding the Mets for this.

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Speaker 1: They were saying that this was actually a really smart

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Speaker 1: move that the Mets were making. This isn't something that

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Speaker 1: you should be all messing them about on the outside

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Speaker 1: looking in if you don't really have a clue. I

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Speaker 1: get it when you see no baseball experience, But that's

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Speaker 1: the old man old heads talking Heim Bloom like we

656
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: always bring up majored in the classics. He had no

657
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Speaker 1: baseball experience, and he just ran the Boston Red Sox

658
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Speaker 1: to a really great run in the playoffs for a

659
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Speaker 1: team that kind of had no business if you looked

660
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Speaker 1: at them in twenty twenty. This isn't a bad idea.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna let you read the tweet here and

662
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Speaker 1: we can all laugh.

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Speaker 4: It was a quote tweet from someone named Joe Setian,

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Speaker 4: who I don't know digital communications for Goldwater Inc. So

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Speaker 4: I don't know what his his baseball credentials are. But

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Speaker 4: he's a libertarian, so I guess he has his own

667
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Speaker 4: views as most libertarians do. The Mets are hiring an

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Speaker 4: associate analyst and baseball analytics. Knowledge of baseball not required.

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Speaker 4: John Boy quote tweeted that and said position associate analysts

670
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Speaker 4: and baseball analytics essential duties. Build a statistical model to

671
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Speaker 4: answer baseball relate the questions. Amount of baseball knowledge required none,

672
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Speaker 4: step right up and greet the Mets, and a lot

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Speaker 4: of people on Twitter jump down his throat, and deservedly

674
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Speaker 4: so because John Boy for Somebodyson continues to think that

675
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Speaker 4: analytics are ruining the game of baseball rather than being

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Speaker 4: a catalyzing factor to the success of baseball's best teams.

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Speaker 1: I see, I don't even think it's necessarily that well,

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Speaker 1: I guess he did have that nerd tweet, which was

679
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Speaker 1: super weird. I think that's a little bit more of

680
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Speaker 1: like trying to rile everybody up and get impressions as well,

681
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: because then he like backs down on it and the

682
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: replies as he always does, but he really he loves

683
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Speaker 1: to take shots at the Mets. Punching downs never fun.

684
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: Punching downs never cool, especially when the Yankees of last

685
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: time I've I checked my watch, they haven't won anything

686
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Speaker 1: in fucking forever either, So I don't understand that the

687
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: low blow, low hanging fruit. I get it. It's easy.

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Speaker 1: It was an easy tweet, but it was great that

689
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Speaker 1: he did look dumb doing it, because basically anybody that's

690
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Speaker 1: anyone in the baseball world was like, no, you idiot,

691
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Speaker 1: this is actually good.

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Speaker 4: This is super consistently how it works. A lot of

693
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Speaker 4: very smart baseball people quote tweeted him and got his

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Speaker 4: replies saying like, oh no, this is actually really normal.

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Speaker 4: Jeremy Frank, a couple of people from Mets Twitter, a couple

696
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Speaker 4: people from baseball perspectives and fangrafts, and then I kind

697
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Speaker 4: of wanted to look back into this to see if

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Speaker 4: other teams had done similar things to this, and it

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Speaker 4: brought me back to my favorite baseball job posting of

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Speaker 4: all time. It was about May fifteenth, twenty nineteen, the

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Speaker 4: day that the Mets traded for one more font when

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Speaker 4: We're Fine and one We're Fond from the Tampa Bay Rays.

703
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Speaker 4: One we're font had run out of options already in

704
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Speaker 4: that season in May, and what the Rays don't like

705
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Speaker 4: holding pictures without options because they like to use their

706
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Speaker 4: triple A rough squad pitching staff as kind of like

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Speaker 4: a taxi squad at all times. With the major league roster,

708
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 4: so fomp being out of options, the race had no

709
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Speaker 4: desire for him anymore. They traded him to the Mets

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Speaker 4: for a player they'd be named later that turned out

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Speaker 4: to be a seventeen year old guy through his ninety

712
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Speaker 4: seven miles an hour who has not been very good yet.

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Speaker 4: I will say he's not been good. He walked nine

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Speaker 4: guys for nine innings this season, So that was a

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Speaker 4: good one for the Mets. But later that day, after

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Speaker 4: taking one more fonts a couple hundred thousand dollars off

717
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Speaker 4: the books, the Rays posted three jobs to fangrass research

718
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Speaker 4: development in turn, development opts in turn, and a database engineer.

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Speaker 4: And the biggest job that they put up there was

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Speaker 4: development operations engineer. That was going to be the actual

721
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Speaker 4: like a job, not even like an intern or an analyst.

722
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Speaker 4: There's someone who you were going to pay and like

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Speaker 4: do things that were really meaningful in the organization and

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Speaker 4: in the job description, the Rays did not mention the

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Speaker 4: word baseball even one time. And the internships they did,

726
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 4: and some of the other positions they did, but they

727
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Speaker 4: didn't mention it one time. And I'll read it to

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Speaker 4: you pretty quickly right now. The Tampa Bay Rays are

729
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Speaker 4: seeking a development operations engineer to embed with their baseball

730
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Speaker 4: Research and Development department to improve efficiency and increase the reliability.

731
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Speaker 3: Of their products and tools.

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Speaker 4: A primary goal for this position is to reduced the

733
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Speaker 4: amount of time spent on code and infrastructure maintenance while

734
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Speaker 4: positively impacting research progress. As I get halfway through this,

735
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Speaker 4: people can see the way that people hire these baseball jobs.

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Speaker 1: Now you're like, you're smart guys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're a smart You're a smart fucker who's willing

738
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Speaker 4: to take no money. This person will work in collaboration

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Speaker 4: with the current staff and develop the best practices for

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Speaker 4: the department. This role will have the expertise to develop

741
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Speaker 4: a framework to facilitate continuous evaluation of their models and

742
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Speaker 4: to ensure reliability and optimize their speed. The new hire

743
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Speaker 4: will also have a strong ability to relate to staff

744
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: and effectively communicate new practices if you have a passion

745
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Speaker 4: for improving processes, automation, developing best practices, and being a

746
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Speaker 4: great teammate, consider the rest responsibilities below. They didn't mention

747
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Speaker 4: baseball at all. They didn't even care if you know

748
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Speaker 4: what baseball is. No, they just want to know that

749
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Speaker 4: you can get into like a database and optimize it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, this job isn't the GM job. This

751
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: job isn't even the assistant GYM. It's not even the

752
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Speaker 1: assistant to the assistant of number into GM. It's a

753
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Speaker 1: summer in internship that is no risk with some sort

754
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Speaker 1: of reward. Possibly maybe we get the smartest guy ever

755
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: and we're like, holy shit, he figured something out. It's

756
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: such a weird such a weird hill to die on. Again,

757
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: numbers and info are good, it doesn't matter who it

758
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Speaker 1: comes from.

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Speaker 4: And again, these people just love bashing the Mets because

760
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Speaker 4: you can. You can make a tweet about the Mets

761
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Speaker 4: being bad and it's like one hundred retweet, it's like

762
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Speaker 4: fifteen hundred favorites.

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Speaker 3: Like instantly, no matter what anything.

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Speaker 4: It's just like doing this stuff without like having a

765
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Speaker 4: real understanding of what goes on in baseball. Now, it

766
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Speaker 4: just kind of makes you look stupid and kind of

767
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Speaker 4: hurts your own legitimacy and reputability.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a great look. I also want to

769
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Speaker 1: talk about another clown of the week real quick that

770
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Speaker 1: I just remembered. It was just funny because Andy Martinez

771
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Speaker 1: put out another ridiculous article that I think we need

772
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Speaker 1: to talk about for a quick second, and the title

773
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Speaker 1: was why Max Schuzer is a better fit for the

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Speaker 1: New York Mets than Justin Verlander.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's a good idea.

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Speaker 1: That's a crazy article. Save you all the time, guys,

777
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: because he's a better pitcher. How about that?

778
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Speaker 4: Why Carlos Karay is a better fit for the Mets

779
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 4: than Javier Bias because he's better than him.

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Speaker 1: It's like unbelievable sometimes the people that get to talk

781
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: about baseball on a national scale.

782
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 4: It's like, why stak is a better option for me

783
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 4: for dinner to night than Skivell's more nutritional value.

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Speaker 1: Why Tokyo is on a forever flight? How long does

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00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: it take to get from Tokyo, Los Angeles? Hints the

786
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Speaker 1: answer met surprise, James, Tokyo. It's quicker to get to

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Speaker 1: Tokyo from LA than it is from New York.

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Speaker 4: I just hate the way this baseball discourse is going,

789
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Speaker 4: Like there's need. There's so many smart people who exist

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00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 4: in the world, right things, who tweet things, who talk

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Speaker 4: about things like. We can't keep giving credit to the

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Speaker 4: people who try to take away from the game rather

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Speaker 4: than add to it.

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Speaker 1: No, let's embrace the people who are trying to push

795
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Speaker 1: this game forward, who are trying to make it more accessible.

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Speaker 1: We're trying to make it a better game. These numbers

797
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Speaker 1: are making the game of baseball better, getting better players,

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00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: getting better what we call it outcomes. You're getting better results.

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Speaker 1: The game is getting better, whether you like it or not,

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Speaker 1: and it's because of this influx of information. Information is good.

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00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: Let's keep feeding our team with information needed to become successful.

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Speaker 4: And definitely and also that tweet like made his rounds

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Speaker 4: just because the Mets actually included that precise line, like

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00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 4: knowledge of baseball and not required, like that's easy to

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00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: highlight and just make a tweet about. People read that

806
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 4: and laugh because people don't really know about baseball. And

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00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 4: they say that, but all these other operations jobs, engineering

808
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 4: jobs in baseball, they don't really require baseball knowledge. Because again,

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Speaker 4: sometimes you want people with a fresh perspective, like if

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Speaker 4: you really know about baseball and love baseball and think

811
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Speaker 4: about baseball a certain way, you could colloud your judgment

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Speaker 4: when sometimes data is telling you something different, like the

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Speaker 4: fact that you should shift, or the fact that you

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Speaker 4: should always swing on a three to zero pitch, or

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Speaker 4: the fact you should never bump with the man on first.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes if you know too much about baseball, that won't

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00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 4: make sense to you.

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Speaker 1: It's like a law firm hiring a secretary and then

819
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: being like, you don't need any law you don't need

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Speaker 1: to be a lawyer at all, and be like, but

821
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: it's a law firm, you don't know any laws.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's true for this, like this specific job. At

823
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 4: other teams hire high ranking people who know nothing about

824
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 4: baseball just because their geniuses in data, and some people

825
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 4: are willing to learn. And just again give a fresh perspective.

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Speaker 1: Which we're good with. And then another quick little thing

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Speaker 1: here before we got into Marcus Struman because we want

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Speaker 1: to do deep dive on him because we've been teasing

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Speaker 1: it forever. Louis Rojas Nu, third base coach of the

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Speaker 1: New York Yankees. It's gonna be sick to watch him

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Speaker 1: just take over that job for the dead, dead waiting,

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Speaker 1: dead man walking or whatever. Aaron Boone. He's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the new manager of the Yankees, I would say by

834
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Speaker 1: the end of the year. Hot take.

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Speaker 3: There's absolutely no way that happens.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna fire him. He's gonna start off ice cold,

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Speaker 1: and Louis Ross can take over. He's gonna be great,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna have to see that. And I'm miserable again.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't even be that mat if Louis ROAs is

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Speaker 4: a great manager for the Yankees, because at least we'd

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Speaker 4: be right.

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Speaker 1: That's true, we would be right, But boy would it

843
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Speaker 1: suck to be right. I'd love to be wrong about

844
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Speaker 1: this one too. Billy Eppler and Louis Rojas proved me wrong. Please,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about Marcus Struman. Now, this is a guy

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Speaker 1: who's been with the metsvield last couple of years. He

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Speaker 1: had a really great twenty twenty one season. He looked

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Speaker 1: really awesome after taking twenty twenty off. He was a

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Speaker 1: guy who did a similar deal, took the qualifying offer

850
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: bet on himself, and it's gonna end up being a

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Speaker 1: payday for him. And this is the big thing to

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00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: talk about Stroman here is what is his true value?

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00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: Because he is not your typical ace. He's not a

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Speaker 1: guy who throws ninety seven ninety eight miles an hour.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't strike out the side, he doesn't have this

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00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: massive swing and miss stuff. But he puts up numbers

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00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: that make you believe that he is one hundred percent

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00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,479
Speaker 1: of front line starter. And the fact of the matter

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Speaker 1: is that he's available all the time, and he's consistent,

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Speaker 1: and he's been good, and he took jumps forward this year.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna try to price out Marcus Stroman for the

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Speaker 1: Mets this year or just the market in general. I

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Speaker 1: think we both agree we want him back on the Mets,

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Speaker 1: especially with the Cindergard departure. He should be back on

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Speaker 1: the Mets.

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Speaker 4: He's important, Oh, he's super important. And especially the fact

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Speaker 4: that some pitchers have been flying off the boards. More

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Speaker 4: picture contracts have been given out in this quick little

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Speaker 4: window before the lockout in any other position. So seems

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Speaker 4: like he's a guy who could get paid soon, and

871
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 4: I honestly expect him to based on how aggressively he's

872
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 4: been campaigning for the last few months. Anyway, he seems

873
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 4: like he wants to get this done, get his money

874
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 4: before the lockout, get a nice signing bonus to take

875
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 4: him into wherever he has to go, and like, I

876
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 4: really think that would behoove the Mets to give him

877
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 4: basically what he wants as soon as possible. Our guy

878
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 4: Mike Mayer said that he has a source that says

879
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: Stroman's basically looking at five for one to twenty five,

880
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 4: which I think is exactly what we said when we

881
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 4: did like our initial like our little teaser expectation about

882
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 4: two weeks ago. And I think you have to look

883
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 4: at the recently handed out war of the Rodriguez Jose

884
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 4: Barrios deals as kind of baselines for where you can

885
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 4: pinpoint Marcus Stroman. He rod specifically because he has a

886
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 4: very similar pitch mixer Stroman. He's a sinker slider guy

887
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 4: who he's had strike as success in the past, but

888
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 4: he's not like Stroman where his best years have not

889
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 4: been his most recent. But even that being said, he

890
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 4: got a super chill deal with the Tigers five for

891
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 4: seventy seven. That's a great deal for everybody involved. I

892
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 4: envy that deal. I don't know why the Mets were

893
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 4: not in on that deal truthfully.

894
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you why why we don't have

895
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: a GM.

896
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 3: That's a good point.

897
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, Edward is a guy with good peripherals, even

898
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 4: though he's not great, Like he'll never pitch Game one

899
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 4: of the of the World Series, but he'll pitch Game

900
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 4: three and you probably won't put your hair out, and

901
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 4: worst case, as long as everything is okay with him

902
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 4: health wise, he will give you one hundred and sixty

903
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 4: to one hundred ninety innings, possibly against the two hundred

904
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 4: ranges he has a few times and being.

905
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: Able to work and specifically with him.

906
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 4: Which something that also could be true for Stroman is

907
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 4: that the Tigers bought out literally his entire prime. He

908
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 4: got a five year deal to twenty eight year old,

909
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 4: so he's being paid from twenty eight to thirty three,

910
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 4: which is like exactly where I want to be if

911
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 4: I'm paying for a pitcher and then only sixteen million

912
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 4: dollars a year like that is that's a good ass deal.

913
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 4: It also brings me to the contract given to Jose

914
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 4: Burrios by the Blue Jays today seven for one thirty one,

915
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 4: which is just downright sexual.

916
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: It's like, it's not highway robbery. Because it's actually like

917
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: he's making one hundred thirty one million dollars. They're not

918
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: talking Ozzie Albes over here, but like it's highway robbery

919
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: and the fact that like that value for a guy

920
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: like Jose Burrios, who is probably like a two starter really,

921
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: but you know, people thought that about Zach Wheeler too,

922
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: and he turned into an ace and the Blue Jays,

923
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: as you've told me many times, they've figured out something

924
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: with pitching development.

925
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 3: Something's clicked there.

926
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: There's a way where Jose Burrio's way out exceeds that

927
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: value absolutely or so then he's gonna under or be

928
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: under the value of what his contract is. Like he's

929
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: he was a very that's a very good contract for

930
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: the way he is right now. He's probably gonna get better.

931
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's tons of upside that's baked into that number,

932
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 4: especially because again similar to Eduardo Rodriguez, they're paying Brios

933
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 4: from ages twenty seven to thirty four, Like that is

934
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 4: just such a sweet spot for pitcher development right there,

935
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 4: and he's making less than twenty million dollars a year.

936
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 4: Like there's not that many pictures of Josey Brios's skill

937
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 4: level making less than twenty million dollars a year. So

938
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 4: and you take those two contracts that are coming out

939
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 4: to about between sixteen and nineteen and a half million

940
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 4: dollars a season, and then you look at Stroman, who,

941
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 4: similar to Brios, is incredibly durable. Similar to both of

942
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 4: these guys, he's not thirty years old yet, and he's

943
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 4: coming off the best season of his career, which is

944
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 4: dissimilar to both of those guys. And I really am

945
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 4: inclined to trust trust Roma's recent success, especially since he

946
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 4: was traded to the Mets the back end of twenty

947
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 4: nineteen and this past season, because he's striking out more

948
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 4: values than ever before, he's missing more bats than ever before,

949
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 4: and he still has that remarkably high ground ball rate

950
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 4: that was always his bread and butther. He's literally set

951
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 4: career best and strike out raysed last two seasons pitched.

952
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 4: He has best strike up minds walk rate this past

953
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 4: season fifteen point six percent, and he had a one

954
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 4: point five bump in his swinging strike rate two getting

955
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 4: above eleven percent. So these are all like really good

956
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 4: and the bottom line is something definitely has clicked since

957
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 4: Marcus Stroman's come to the Mets, and you could definitely

958
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 4: see that. It's the further development of his off speed

959
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: pitches and breakers, specifically the split change, the cover and

960
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 4: the slyther like, all of those are great things, and

961
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 4: that really makes me think that Marcus Stroman can be

962
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 4: very successful for a very long time.

963
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the five for one to twenty five

964
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: feels just like the home for Stroman, and especially now

965
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: with this, like I keep bringing up this extra eighteen

966
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: million dollars. Let's say the Mets even valued him at

967
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: five for one hundred, which I think would be the

968
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: absolute lowest. You'd be able to get Stroman at the

969
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: absolute lowest, and I doubt he would even take that contract.

970
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: Let's just pretend we're at that world too. You now

971
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: have this extra mind to go to the twenty five million.

972
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: It's a no brainer for me. The fact that he

973
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: goes out makes thirty starts a year. He's only not

974
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: made thirty starts once in his career, and that was

975
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: what twenty eighteen. And his injuries have never been armor related,

976
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: by the way, which is also huge, huge to a

977
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: health of a pitcher. But before that, two hundred innings

978
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: back to back years, I believe in sixteen and seventeen

979
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: or fifteen and sixteen, whatever it was. This guy's a workhorse.

980
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: He did it this year. He threw one hundred and

981
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: eighty innings. The year before he threw one hundred and

982
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: eighty innings. He is a workhorse. He goes out there

983
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: on the mountain. We saw how valuable he was. The

984
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: Mets were still in the playoff race despite losing to

985
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: Grom because we had a guy like Stroman going out

986
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: every five days. If you really want to solidify this

987
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: pitching staff, getting a guy like Stroman is so vastly

988
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: important because of the fact that he's just out there

989
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: every five days, and he also is good.

990
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I remember a couple of days ago, maybe

991
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 4: a week ago now, Marcus Stroman posted like his entire

992
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,959
Speaker 4: isometric and biometric workout like plan on Twitter to show

993
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 4: teams how strong he would be in the future, just

994
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 4: as like a as a check. I sent that to one

995
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 4: of my good friends who is studying in a gradual

996
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 4: program studying athletic science. Well, Nick Laroo, Nick Law yeah,

997
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 4: big Nick Glarus shadow on the podcast, and I was like,

998
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 4: is this legit?

999
00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 3: Because Nick sends me work.

1000
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 4: He literally works for collegiate Division one athletics in every

1001
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 4: single sport. He's very sharp, he knows a shit, and

1002
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 4: he was like, this is an incredible program. This is

1003
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 4: way above my pre pay grade. Whoever's making up these

1004
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 4: workouts and doing Marcus Stroman's training is like a god.

1005
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 4: So I'll take that right to the bank. And that

1006
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 4: makes me more confident in Stroman's their ability. And also

1007
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 4: Stroman is kind of in a great position right now

1008
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 4: because he is in a very unique spot in this

1009
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 4: specific pitching market. We dissected the pitching market in last

1010
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 4: week's episode, but there are a lot of different tiers

1011
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 4: and he really is in his own as the most

1012
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 4: certain long term bet out there because you have Robbie Ray,

1013
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 4: Carlos Rodon, and Kevin Gousman who are all scary. Verlander

1014
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 4: Grankin Kersher who are old. Schures are who is old

1015
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 4: but also really good, So he's not going to see

1016
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 4: the type of length that Stroman's gonna get. Nosend Gard

1017
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: just signed with tons of upside as a massive question mark,

1018
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 4: and then the next nearest guys to that those are

1019
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 4: like John Gray and Alex cop We're just simply not

1020
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 4: on that level. So like out of all of those guys,

1021
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 4: you kind of separate, in my opinion, Goussman and Stroman

1022
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 4: as the two with the fewest negatives who are still

1023
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 4: under thy years old, with the least injury concerns, and

1024
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 4: Stroman just simply has more of a track record, albeit

1025
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 4: definitely less of a ceiling because he does not throw

1026
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: ninety eight miles an hour, but certainly the best track record.

1027
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 4: And then you kind of look at that twenty five

1028
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 4: million dollar number and it feels a little bit high,

1029
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 4: just because if you look at guys who make that money,

1030
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 4: Like if Stroman signed for twenty five million dollars annually,

1031
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 4: that would give him the tenth highest aav of all

1032
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 4: pitchers in baseball, directly sandwiched in between get ready for this,

1033
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 4: Jacob de Gram and Zach Wheeler.

1034
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: That's painful.

1035
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: That is painful.

1036
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 4: So you look at that, you're like, that's twenty five

1037
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 4: million dollars, seems like too much, But then you look

1038
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 4: at this market that now is going to develop and

1039
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 4: seems like a great value. It's a very weird situation

1040
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 4: that baseball is in, but a really great situation that

1041
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 4: Marcus Stroman's in.

1042
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: Oh, Marcus Stroman's gonna get paid, whether it's by the

1043
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: Mets or another team in baseball, he is going. I

1044
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: can't see him getting underneath that five for one to

1045
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: twenty five unless he does a Bower esque deal where

1046
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: he takes for some reason, like a two year deal

1047
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: for a lot more aav but he's worth it. He's

1048
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: one of the few guys that I'm super confident that's

1049
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: gonna be able to pitch into his mid thirties and

1050
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: be just as effective as he is now, if not better.

1051
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: I like, he's a guy who we've seen as he's

1052
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: getting older and he's been tinkering his game and tinkering

1053
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: how he's pitching. He's learning more, he's getting better. He's

1054
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: not a thrower by any means. We said. His stuff

1055
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: is not ninety eight miles an hour. He doesn't get

1056
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: by because of his velocity or anything like that. So

1057
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: as he gets older with age, it's almost like that

1058
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: weird uh Adam Wainwright thing that's happening right now where

1059
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: Adam Rayno. Wainwright has been very effective in his later

1060
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: years despite not having the elite stuff that you see

1061
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: from some of the best pictures in the game. To me,

1062
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: Stroman feels like the safest bet out there on the

1063
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: market right now, especially when you are talking about these

1064
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: five year contracts. While he may not have that stealing

1065
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: of being a cy Young caliber pitcher, and by no

1066
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: means Marcus Stroman, that dude plays with a chip on

1067
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: his shoulder. You tell him you can't win a cy Young,

1068
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: He's gonna do everything in his power to make you

1069
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: believe that he can win a cy Young. I mean

1070
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: Rick PURCELLI won a SIY Young, Yes, and I fully

1071
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: believe that Marcus Stroman can't do it. But when you

1072
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, obviously the top ten best pitchers

1073
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: in baseball, you're looking at the guys who have this

1074
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: elite stuff. But Stroman is a part of that group

1075
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: of guys that really does know how to pitch, is

1076
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: on the field every five days, and is getting better

1077
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: at like it feels like you gotta pull the trigger

1078
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: on this when you have to bring Stroman back.

1079
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 4: Especially because innings are becoming such a valuable currency in baseball.

1080
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 4: There are so few pitchers who really go out there

1081
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 4: and pitch every five days anymore. I just wrote an

1082
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 4: article on Pitcherless that came out today about why Zach

1083
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 4: Wheeler should win the cy young and simply just because

1084
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 4: of innings pitch. Like back in twenty ten, forty five

1085
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 4: starting pitchers through two hundred innings. That's that's one point

1086
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 4: five per team. Last year was three. Like, you need

1087
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 4: guys who you can like the rest of your pitching

1088
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 4: staff can rely on to give you breaks and be

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00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 4: able to give you six seven innings. Like I'm an

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00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 4: advocate for like changing up the way we like handle

1091
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 4: pitching and look at pitching. But I still think that

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00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 4: you bake in a lot less risk when you know

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00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 4: you have guys who are gonna give you consistent innings.

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00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 4: And I have no doubt that Marcus Stroman will be

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00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 4: able to give consistent innings for an extended period of time.

1096
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 4: But that being said, you do look at his ceiling

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00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 4: and it kind of makes you be like, damn, because

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00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 4: I don't see any reason that Jose Barriosh should make

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00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 4: twenty two percent less than Marcus Stroman a single year

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00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 4: window if you're looking if you're looking at nineteen verse

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00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 4: twenty five million dollars.

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00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course that's if AAV's flat. I mean, like,

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00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: could the Mets do a contract maybe where they frontloaded

1104
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: with Stroman and you pay him twenty seven to twenty eight.

1105
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 1: Now when he starts to be a little bit cheaper,

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00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: then does that make you feel better maybe about his

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00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: value for his top line? I don't know.

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00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 4: This is just me nippicking, like I feel fine about

1109
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 4: the value. I just don't feel great about it, you

1110
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 4: know what I mean, especially because that Burrio's contract was

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00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 4: signed today. Yeah, and a lot of people, including you

1112
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 4: and I really thought that he was the marquee acquisition

1113
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 4: that the Mets could have made this year to change

1114
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 4: their ceiling not only for twenty twenty one but for

1115
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 4: years beyond, and the Blue Jays have very much proven

1116
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 4: that to be true today.

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00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: So well, I would definitely give Stroman that money.

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00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 4: I think a lot of that now turns into how

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00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 4: he looks inside the market rather than how he looks

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00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 4: at baseball. But again, if you are going to start

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00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 4: to consider innings as a currency, like Stroman will be

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00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 4: able to give you that, and that should push his

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00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 4: value up. Yeah, gotty Brios has that as well, So

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00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 4: that also makes me like, damn.

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Speaker 1: It's it's very com it's very confusing. All the numbers

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00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: are telling you that wait, be patient. See what some

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00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: other guys or what other dominoes fall. But then you

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00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: see some of these dominoes that are falling, and you

1129
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: go but that that just doesn't make sense. And now

1130
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: now I'm even more confused. And that's where we are. Stroman,

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00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: we know what we would pay him. I'd give him

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00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: a clean like five for one twenty five. I would

1133
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: I would love negotiate him like six for one to twenty.

1134
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: I'd give him the extra year, let him be paid

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00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: until he's thirty five.

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00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 3: Years old, and he cut a little a if. Yeah,

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00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: I don't know.

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00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 4: If you take that for the sixty year of security.

1139
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 4: I don't know if any team would give him six

1140
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 4: for one fifty. I kind of doubt it, but maybe

1141
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 4: six for one forty just to get to that extra

1142
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 4: year and like cut that down a little under twenty

1143
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 4: five million dollars. But what are you're gonna do you

1144
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 4: Ne's need innings and Marcus Stroman's is done.

1145
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially with the way that this rotation is

1146
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: looking going into next season, we gotta have somebody that's

1147
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: gonna give us a little stability. We talked about de

1148
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: Gram and Walker and how we both know that they're

1149
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: gonna be there, but de Gram's still a question mark

1150
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: because even though the elbow is apparently clear and clean,

1151
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: that's still scary. Taiwan always still has the injury risk

1152
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: just because of how many eatings he'd pay in the

1153
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: last three years and then how many he jumped to

1154
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: this year. You always gotta be you know, a little

1155
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: baby gloves with him. Carlos Carrasco is getting old. We

1156
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: gotta have a guy that we know is gonna be

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00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: our rock, and that's kind of Marcus Stroman. He is

1158
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: your rock who is also very good.

1159
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 4: Definitely, I do think the Mets would benefit from getting

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00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 4: Stroman a contract before you see a guy like Gaussman

1161
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 4: or Robbie Ray sign because those guys, if there, if

1162
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 4: they push their in the mil average annual value, which

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00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 4: I doubt unless either of them takes a shorter deal,

1164
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 4: it could set the market a little bit crazy and

1165
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 4: you might lose out. And even getting Stroman for twenty

1166
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 4: five million dollars and Gausman especially because him and Stroman

1167
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 4: at the same age, so you could see pretty similar

1168
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 4: contracts being handed out for them.

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00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: Overall, I think we both agree we want Stroman back

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00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: to the Mets. We think that there's probably not gonna

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00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: be a contract that's ludicrous that he wants. It doesn't.

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00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like he's out or overpricing himself by

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00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: any means. If he wants a ten year contract, yeah,

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00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: that would be crazy, but it doesn't seem like Stroman's

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00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: going for the ten year contract. Doesn't seem like many

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00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: people are going for ten year contracts anymore. There are

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00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: other guys to go after. But again, that's stability, the

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00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: ability to pitch into his mid thirties and still keep

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00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: that same talent level. It doesn't seem like there's many

1180
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: or much regression that will really happen in Marcus Stroman's

1181
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: game as he gets to the older ages. He's very safe.

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00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: I think, while you may not have the high upside

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00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: which you talked about, which is why you go a

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00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: Gosman route instead.

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Speaker 3: I didn't say that. I didn't said that. Don't say

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00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 3: that because Marcu Stroman's gonna listen to this.

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00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 2: I didn't say that.

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00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, you didn't say that. I said that Gosman's

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00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: potential contract could reset Stroman's market because I expect him.

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00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: I was talking differently. I was saying that if you

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00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: want to go the high higher ceiling route, you would

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00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: go Kevin Gosman.

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00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 4: Okay, if I was betting on ceiling rather than floor,

1194
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 4: I would bet Gousman. But I think the Mets need

1195
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 4: a floor bet right now, and that's Strowman. I also,

1196
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be shocked if over the next five years

1197
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 4: Stroman outproduces Gousman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like he's he's good. He had a really good

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Speaker 1: year this year. I feel like a lot of people

1200
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: kind of forgot how good Strumman was this year. Look

1201
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: at his numbers. He had a three ra his whip

1202
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: was one of the lowest of his career, if you're

1203
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: talking about just the most basic numbers, And like you said,

1204
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: even with the whiftwaight and strikeout rate and just the

1205
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: he was attacking batters with different pitches, looked really, really good.

1206
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: I think a lot of Mets fans agree with us

1207
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: that we want him back. I think the Mets also

1208
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: want him back. I think they would be foolish to

1209
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: just completely write him off. The five one twenty five.

1210
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: If that's really what the value is you got, you

1211
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: gotta make it happen. I think that's a completely fair

1212
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: contract for both sides.

1213
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 4: I think it's very suitable for every single person involved.

1214
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 4: I'd be happy to give it out.

1215
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: Do the Mets sign Stroman, yes or no? Gut feeling no,

1216
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: I see, I think yes. I think Stroman's coming back,

1217
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: all right.

1218
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 3: Gut feeling is no. I don't think they will, but

1219
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 3: I hope they do.

1220
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: Yes.

1221
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna. I think they're gonna make it happen.

1222
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: I think, especially with Cindergard Walking, they're gonna pull the

1223
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: trigger on Stroman. But that's yet to be seen. And

1224
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: of course, when Stroman does sign, we're gonna talk about it,

1225
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: regardless if it is with the Mets or another team.

1226
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: It's something that we are gonna have to talk about

1227
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: because we'll probably if he's not with the Mets, complain

1228
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: about why we didn't pay him enough, or why we

1229
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: didn't why we cheaped out, or whatever it's gonna be.

1230
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: I really, Billy Eppler, man, you've spent money on some

1231
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: crazy players. Spend it on Marcus Stroman as one of them. Please.

1232
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: He's way better than some of the investments you made

1233
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: in LA with the Angels. This one is a pretty

1234
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: sure bet. And then now we're gonna lead into our

1235
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 1: final part of the episode. Here the Brett Baty interview

1236
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: we did in the Arizona Fall League. It was an

1237
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: absolute pleasure to talk to Brett. Here's the interview. All right, guys,

1238
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: Messed Up Podcast. Here we go. We've got another interview

1239
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: with our top Mets prospect, New York Mets player Brett Baty,

1240
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: third basement outfielder for the bingham To Mets this past

1241
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: season as well as Brooklyn Cyclones. Gonna ask him a

1242
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: few questions. We're here at Arizona at the Fall League.

1243
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: Don't want to take too much time. He's gotta catch

1244
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: the bus, so we're gonna be quick here. We're gonna

1245
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: start firing them off. So first gotta ask you when

1246
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: you got drafted. We heard the nickname is Brett the Met.

1247
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: Is that like actually real or is that like, you know,

1248
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: just kind of trying to keep it loose a little bit.

1249
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny.

1250
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 6: My mom actually has a picture of me playing a

1251
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 6: little league a in a Mets uniform, and we sent

1252
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 6: it to the Mets after I got drafted. But yeah,

1253
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 6: I did play for the Mets growing up a little bit,

1254
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 6: just in pee wee ball, little league ball.

1255
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was pretty cool. That's freaking crazy.

1256
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 4: But sticking with your youth, tell us who your favorite

1257
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 4: player was growing up, your favorite team, and who, if anybody,

1258
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 4: you think you model your game after.

1259
00:49:58,960 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1260
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 6: Man, I grew up a Ranger fan, and growing up

1261
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 6: I would always watch Michael Young and Adrian Belchery just

1262
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 6: playing third base over there like me. So those were

1263
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 6: two of the guys that I that I definitely looked

1264
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 6: up to when I was little.

1265
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: So you played at Lake Travis High School and there's

1266
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: a lot of great quarterbacks have come through there, Baker Mayfield,

1267
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert. We read somewhere that the Mets, like top

1268
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: scouts said you could have been QB one, but we

1269
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: didn't find anything. Did you play any other sports like basketball, football,

1270
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: anything like that?

1271
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I played.

1272
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 6: I played football all the way up until I was

1273
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 6: a freshman. And one of my best receivers actually might

1274
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 6: be a top ten pick this year wide receiver at

1275
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 6: Ohio State, Garrett Wilson.

1276
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 2: So I got to throw to him to Ohio State.

1277
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, so you know Garrett pretty well?

1278
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, more or less. Yeah, So I was

1279
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 6: a quarterback growing up. I loved football. It's just Texas

1280
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 6: high school football takes a lot out of you, and

1281
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 6: I really wanted to focus on baseball, but I also

1282
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 6: played basketball for my dad. He was a varsity basketball

1283
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 6: coach at my high school. So I played basketball all

1284
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 6: the way until I was a senior. And I just

1285
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 6: really I really loved playing all different types of sports

1286
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 6: growing up.

1287
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 4: If you were to create a starting including you, so

1288
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 4: I guess it's starting the other four of all the

1289
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 4: players you've played with in the Mets system, who would

1290
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 4: be in your lineup?

1291
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 6: I definitely have to put Jalen in there because he's

1292
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 6: just so athletic, he's a freak.

1293
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I'd want to.

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Speaker 6: Get a little bit of meanness in my lineup, so

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Speaker 6: I'd get Francisco Alvarez in there.

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Speaker 2: Get a little tough, little bully.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: A center, I'm probably honestly taking Colin Holderman just because

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Speaker 6: he's so big and tall, so I'm gonna put him

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Speaker 6: down there, and then maybe at point guard, grab Jake

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Speaker 6: Mangham or something making lu quake around there. And then

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Speaker 6: maybe as a maybe as a shooter, go with someone

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Speaker 6: like Luke Ritter, let's say, or something like that.

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Speaker 1: You got to play a little bit in New York

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00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: this year with the Cyclones. What was it like to

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00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: play in front of like a New York audience or

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00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 1: New York fan base.

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00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So I got to play in Brooklyn in twenty

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00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 6: nineteen and I got a little taste of it going

1311
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 6: up there for the playoffs, winning the championship, and then

1312
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 6: just going there this year. I was a lot more

1313
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 6: comfortable and playing in front of those great fans up there.

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Speaker 6: It was an awesome atmosphere out there on Coney Island.

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Speaker 6: So that's just a really good stepping point to go

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00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 6: up to Queens and City Field.

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Speaker 2: So I'm glad I got to experience that. Did you

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Speaker 2: enjoy your time in New York?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I really did. I actually really grew to love

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Speaker 6: the city. I was kind of skeptical going in, just

1321
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 6: being New York and everything. I'm from Texas. I don't

1322
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 6: really know the big city that well. But I actually

1323
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 6: really enjoyed being in the city all the time.

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Speaker 2: It's really fun. Oh yeah, that's awesome. Man.

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Speaker 4: Now we're gonna jump back your high school days real quick,

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00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 4: and we know this that as a senior you picked

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00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 4: up the ball and stepped on the mound and had

1328
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 4: a pretty incredible year out there with you under one

1329
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 4: in fifty innings.

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Speaker 2: I mean, have you heard of the show? Hayo Tani?

1331
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 4: Are you're gonna be the next great two way player

1332
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Speaker 4: in the major leagues.

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Speaker 6: I think I'm just gonna focus on hitting, probably at

1334
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 6: the pro level. But I did pitch a little bit

1335
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 6: in high school and that was really fun, just any

1336
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 6: way to help my team win, Honestly, it was really fun.

1337
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Speaker 1: And then in terms of other positions, so I got

1338
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 1: a little time in the outfield as well. Drafted typically

1339
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: as a third baseman, but now playing a little bit

1340
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: more outfield. How comfortable do you feel out there? Is

1341
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: that something that you're looking forward to or you like

1342
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: third base more?

1343
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1344
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 6: Man, I just like going out there and showing off

1345
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 6: a little bit of versatility, a little bit of athleticism,

1346
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 6: just being able to play different positions because you never

1347
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 6: know what's gonna happen in the big leagues. You never

1348
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 6: know who's gonna go down or who is gonna get

1349
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 6: traded or anything like that, and you never know where

1350
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 6: the open spot's going to be. So I just don't

1351
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 6: want to limit myself to one position. So I really

1352
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 6: do enjoy it.

1353
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 2: Out there for sure.

1354
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: As a hitter, your approach, you know, you've talked about

1355
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: having a five o'clock hit or seven o'clock hit or

1356
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: left center approach. Is it something that you're still constantly

1357
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: trying to do. Has anything changed over the last year

1358
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, how you're trying to approach

1359
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: to baseball.

1360
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean as far as BP at five o'clock,

1361
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 6: I'm just trying. I'm really just trying. I'm not really

1362
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 6: trying to put on a show or anything. I thought

1363
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 6: that out there. I'm just really trying to get ready

1364
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 6: for the seven o'clock game, like you said. But as

1365
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,479
Speaker 6: far as my approach, I really when I'm going, well,

1366
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 6: I'm staying within myself and I'm trying to drive the

1367
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 6: ball up the middle, and good things tend to happen.

1368
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 2: So just probably just trying to stay as.

1369
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 6: Small as possible, just because when I do hit the ball,

1370
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 6: it is pretty hard, so it can go out to

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00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 6: all fields.

1372
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 2: So just probably stay up the middle and stand small.

1373
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: For me.

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Speaker 4: I do use information that the team gives you in

1375
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 4: terms of your hitting approach to either help you or

1376
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 4: is there anything that you maybe shy away from in

1377
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 4: terms of information as a hither, I'm all for all

1378
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 4: the information I can. I really just take everything in

1379
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 4: and I asked questions on stuff I don't understand. But

1380
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 4: I love all the information they give us. It really

1381
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 4: helps out a lot. I also I.

1382
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 6: Kind of pick and choose what I like to hear

1383
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 6: and what I like to listen to. But at the

1384
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 6: end of the day, they're just trying to help us

1385
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 6: win ball games, so it's all of it's really good.

1386
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 6: A little follow up to that, something I've been really

1387
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 6: curious about just being at the Fall League watching these games.

1388
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 6: There's so many different organizations here. How do how does

1389
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 6: the information compare to what you get during the minor

1390
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 6: league season, Like are these organizations teaming up to give

1391
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 6: you things or are you getting things specifically from the

1392
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 6: mess they're telling you to do, or how does that work?

1393
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Diamondbacks have been great.

1394
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 6: We're over at their field at Salt River, so they've

1395
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 6: been great with all the information and stuff. But it's

1396
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 6: just a little bit more detailed during the season, just

1397
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 6: because we've seen the same guys over and over again

1398
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 6: and these sometimes these are our first time seeing these guys.

1399
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 6: So the information in the season is just a little

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00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 6: bit more detailed, but they definitely have been great about

1401
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 6: giving us all the information they have.

1402
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: Now I know you have to catch the bus. We

1403
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: want to keep you too much longer, So thank you

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00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: for coming on. We do appreciate it. Maybe we'll be

1405
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: able to get you on another time, get you a

1406
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: little bit longer. Ask you a few more questions, but

1407
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: tell everybody where they can find you on social media.

1408
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: Anything you want to plug real quick.

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00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, my Instagram is Brett dot Baty or Brett

1410
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 6: Bady I think, and then my my Twitter is the

1411
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 6: same thing.

1412
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 2: So if you find me.

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00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: On there, that's good, awesome, thanks so much for doing this.

1414
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me.

1415
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: How cool is Brett Batty. Let me tell you something.

1416
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: I have been looking up baby cards all week. I'm

1417
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: so in on this guy one because he was he

1418
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: was really personable and he was super comfortable. Not that

1419
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,959
Speaker 1: we're anything big by any means, but no, we've seen

1420
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: some of the guys that we talked to. These young

1421
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: kids can get a little skittish around the camera. He

1422
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: was super comfortable, answered all the questions so well, give

1423
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: great answers. And the dude is a ballplayer. He's so good.

1424
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 3: He's also such a nice guy.

1425
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 4: Like how polite was Brett Bailey to the people working

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00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 4: at the that we're a MESA at the MESA facility,

1427
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 4: to all of the media folks that were around us,

1428
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 4: to the people who were raking the field. There was

1429
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 4: a woman behind the dugout who very politely, very concisely said,

1430
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 4: have a good night to every single player on the

1431
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 4: roster by last name. Brett Baty was the last guy leaves.

1432
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 4: He turned around, waved and say yeah, thank you.

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00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: We had the little kids who were screaming Britt bat

1434
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: and he gave him a hello, said Hi, how are

1435
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: you guys? Like he's he's a very complete player. Any

1436
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: sort of qualms that I had of Brett Batty going

1437
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: into this, you know, upcoming season. I feel really good

1438
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: about him. His swing looks really good. He's a lot

1439
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: more athletic than I thought.

1440
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 3: Way more athletic.

1441
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 4: A lot of people missing that scathering report because all

1442
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 4: through the pre draft process people talked about Brett Batty

1443
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 4: having to move to first base at some point because

1444
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 4: he wasn't. He was like too stiff to play third

1445
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 4: at the corner of outfield. The guys can really move,

1446
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 4: and I hope that like surprise at listeners that he

1447
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 4: was such an accomplished athlete, three sport athlete growing up.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing, just to tie it back into

1449
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Stroman has preached always you should

1450
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: be playing all these other sports because what helps with

1451
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: injury and too, like you just get to move different

1452
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: muscles of your body that don't necessarily always get used

1453
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: in baseball. Britt Baty is a tall drink of water

1454
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: and he is a great athlete. He swings the bat beautifully.

1455
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: He played well in the Fawlly All Star Game as well,

1456
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 1: smacking that bottle left underfield. I fell in love this week.

1457
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: I fell in love with the way he plays. I'm

1458
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: buying all his cards right now.

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00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 4: I'm so in I would not be shocked if we

1460
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 4: see Brett Baby and Queen's next year by like June

1461
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 4: or July.

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00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely, I definitely think we can see that.

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of where we're gonna end this episode. Here, guys,

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Speaker 1: episode number sixty one of the Mets. The podcast Make

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Speaker 1: Sure Your Job is a five star rating and review

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Speaker 1: Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok YouTube at Mets Stuff.

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00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: You'll be able to find all the content that we're

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00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: posting over there as well, and that's pretty much where

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Speaker 1: we're gonna end it here. I got nothing else to

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Speaker 1: plug I got nothing else to talk about. We'll see

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Speaker 1: on the next episode of The Mets the Podcast.

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Speaker 5: Peace Out Guys, peace Out Guys, Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: A