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Speaker 3: Where this is a lie.
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Speaker 4: It feels more like fifteen out there.
Speaker 3: The highest forty two. I don't believe it. The low
Speaker 3: is twenty one.
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Speaker 3: You're the only Cowboy fan in the world that wanted
Speaker 3: the Eagles to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6: Yes you did.
Speaker 4: Y'all are ridiculous. Y'all are should turn in your cowboy
Speaker 4: fandom card.
Speaker 6: Nope, it's the NFC. It does not matter.
Speaker 3: It is Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 7: I ride in the NFC. You know I ride NFC.
Speaker 7: I don't change that. Certain things that stayed with SEC football, NFC,
Speaker 7: Boston Celtics, Braves. When I used to can tell you
Speaker 7: who the players were, it was yeah, that's about it.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 6: No hockey for me, No soccer, tennis, No.
Speaker 3: Have you ever been a hockey game?
Speaker 6: Yes, sir, old great sport to watch it live, not
Speaker 6: on TV.
Speaker 3: What did the game tell you? Guys?
Speaker 4: I think we could all see them winning, but I
Speaker 4: don't think anyone saw them winning that way. And the
Speaker 4: defense just completely dominant, and I I think that shows you.
Speaker 4: You know, you guys talk about it on the show
Speaker 4: all the time. It all starts up front, right.
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes ain't Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4: If he's got one point three seconds to throw the ball.
Speaker 4: And they're big, they're strong, they're nasty, they're young, and
Speaker 4: they're gonna be around for a while.
Speaker 3: All so what did the game tell you?
Speaker 6: Kurt? Start with you?
Speaker 3: First?
Speaker 9: Engles are tough, and they look like gonna be tough
Speaker 9: for a while, and that gap between us and them
Speaker 9: seems whiter than it has in a while.
Speaker 10: Unfortunately.
Speaker 5: Yes, Jesse Whutang had a song. Cash rules everything around me. Cream,
Speaker 5: get the money you want, good players go buy it.
Speaker 3: At some point that does that catch up to them?
Speaker 5: Yeah, at twenty twenty nine. Twenty twenty nine is when
Speaker 5: they're supposed to meet their doom.
Speaker 3: And then you're just you're a fe're the Eagles.
Speaker 4: You're just hoping by then the money gets bigger and bigger,
Speaker 4: which you will keep pushing it out, pushing it.
Speaker 5: That's exactly there, and that's exactly their mentality.
Speaker 3: And if it ever catches you, we just reset the reset.
Speaker 3: But we got two or three along the way, right.
Speaker 5: That's that's their thought process. It's it's twenty twenty nine
Speaker 5: is the year they're supposed to meet well, their cap, Hell,
Speaker 5: they're supposed to meet right, They're supposed to meet their
Speaker 5: maker then. But by that time the salary cap would
Speaker 5: have went up multiple times. And so now when you
Speaker 5: get to that point in twenty twenty nine, those players
Speaker 5: that are worth keeping, guys like probably Devonte Smith, Jalen Carter,
Speaker 5: who's actually still his rookie deal, right, so he's I mean,
Speaker 5: he'll he'll get a new deal at that time. If
Speaker 5: Jalen Hurst is still you still believe that's gonna be
Speaker 5: your quarterback, so on and so forth. Cool, then whatever
Speaker 5: money I owe him in twenty twenty nine, I put
Speaker 5: that back in the pot, and I scraplated out for
Speaker 5: five more years and I pushed this thing on down
Speaker 5: the line to twenty thirty four. And that's what they do.
Speaker 5: Just keep doing that until eventually they'll go, Okay, we
Speaker 5: don't have enough players worth pushing money down the line
Speaker 5: for anymore. So that's when we that's when we take
Speaker 5: the hit and we suck. We get a high draft pick.
Speaker 5: But look at these but we got we got you,
Speaker 5: we got you.
Speaker 3: And you've got it. I mean, that's it.
Speaker 4: That's becoming in this league of talent, right to realize
Speaker 4: because I think around here, the way I remember it is,
Speaker 4: they used to do that here.
Speaker 3: They used to go after the big free agents.
Speaker 4: They used to go after the big dogs, the shining
Speaker 4: new and they used to load up and it didn't
Speaker 4: work out. And now it feels like they're trying to
Speaker 4: stay ahead of the cap and stay under and stay
Speaker 4: right around the cap and not sell your soul for
Speaker 4: the future now. But I don't think in this the
Speaker 4: way this NFL works, you have to you have to.
Speaker 4: It's about timing right, and you have to time it
Speaker 4: perfect and go we're going in now because we got
Speaker 4: a good core, and here's the guys we can put
Speaker 4: around that, and we can win now and then we'll
Speaker 4: pay the price later. But because if you don't win
Speaker 4: now and you pay the price later, you wreck your franchise.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: Well, part of it is is when it comes to contract,
Speaker 5: how like the Cowboys wait till players like they're about
Speaker 5: to do one a little bit with Michael Parsons. They
Speaker 5: did the same thing with Cde Lamb. They did the
Speaker 5: same thing with Dak Prescott, these major these major players
Speaker 5: on your team. The smart way to do it is
Speaker 5: if I know that I'm going to keep Kurt on
Speaker 5: my football team for the foreseeable future, and he's two
Speaker 5: years before he gets a new deal, but he's playing
Speaker 5: really well, doesn't have any injuries, I extend him now.
Speaker 5: I extend him now, right, so I push that money
Speaker 5: out further. What I don't want to do is I
Speaker 5: don't want to wait till Kurt gets to the very
Speaker 5: end of his contract. And now I'm paying either setting
Speaker 5: the setting the market price or I'm paying above like
Speaker 5: I'm paying market price or setting the new market because
Speaker 5: he's at the end of his deal, and now I'm in.
Speaker 5: I'm caught in to buying because Kurt's a really good player.
Speaker 5: And now he's saying, hey, bro, either either you're gonna
Speaker 5: pay me or I'm going somewhere else. And now I
Speaker 5: know I can't lose him. So now I'm forced to
Speaker 5: fork over that money where I could have did it
Speaker 5: two years ago and maybe not paid the markets the
Speaker 5: setting the market price on them, got him for a deal,
Speaker 5: and then now paid a lot of the money up
Speaker 5: front and the bonuses and stuff like that, and your
Speaker 5: your your your salary cap hit would be softer upfront.
Speaker 5: A couple million dollars here, a couple million dollars there.
Speaker 5: Talk about the Philadelphia Eagles like Jalen Hurts, I think
Speaker 5: is worth twenty one million dollars against the cap this year.
Speaker 5: I think the next person in line is seventeen million
Speaker 5: with aj Brown right, but he's a fifty million dollar player.
Speaker 5: He's only worth twenty one million dollars against the cap.
Speaker 5: So that's how you got to move that money around
Speaker 5: and do stuff like that.
Speaker 7: And to add on to what Jesse said, which is
Speaker 7: so true, but understand me, this is what the Eagles,
Speaker 7: the Rams and other stealers teams that the Niners are
Speaker 7: the Niners that are winning.
Speaker 6: The one thing they don't.
Speaker 7: Fear is you got two more years left from your contract.
Speaker 7: You're thirty years old by Cooper cup Bye.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: You gotta be able to see a player and say,
Speaker 7: you know what we've gotten, what we could got, we
Speaker 7: don't need these last two years. We're gonna trade him
Speaker 7: as somebody out there that would give us a second
Speaker 7: or third or fourth and take this contract that we
Speaker 7: wait too late, like Jesse said, to sign a player
Speaker 7: all of a sudden, we eating up extra four million
Speaker 7: dollars because we didn't sign them.
Speaker 6: A year earlier.
Speaker 7: So we eating up an extra forty five million dollars.
Speaker 7: Now that's on the back end of that contract. So
Speaker 7: how do the Rams get back in this so quick?
Speaker 7: You gotta remember they traded a bunch of players a
Speaker 7: year or so ago. They traded them, they let them
Speaker 7: go hey, all right, see you later. We wait right
Speaker 7: up until twenty six players are free now, and people saying, well,
Speaker 7: you got to de sign out of those twenty six,
Speaker 7: which four you won't because we waited late to pay CD,
Speaker 7: we waited late to pay Dak.
Speaker 6: Now we're gonna wait late to pay number eleven.
Speaker 7: And so now we wound up with two guys and
Speaker 7: we sitting up there saying, oh, you know where we
Speaker 7: need to be at the end of the year. I
Speaker 7: know where you're gonna be at the end of the year.
Speaker 7: It ain't gonna be with the Eagles. It ain't gonna
Speaker 7: be with the Eagles.
Speaker 6: I promise you had.
Speaker 5: Like you're you're the Cowboys are sitting in this position
Speaker 5: right now where they're looking at do they want to
Speaker 5: sign Osa and not? Or can they sign Osa and not?
Speaker 5: Because I got to sign Michael first, and because I
Speaker 5: don't want to get into like so now, what's gonna
Speaker 5: end up happening? Here is a guy like O some
Speaker 5: may or may not be here next year, and then
Speaker 5: he'll go to Detroit, or he'll go to Washington, or
Speaker 5: he'll go to Baltimore, he'll go to Philadelphia. Ain't go
Speaker 5: be a player and they'll pay him and they'll go,
Speaker 5: he can help us right now and for the next
Speaker 5: couple of years, and we'll pay him and then we'll
Speaker 5: we'll we'll be in a position to win. And that's like,
Speaker 5: that's let's sneed. I said this on my show earlier.
Speaker 5: Let's need who is the the the general manager for
Speaker 5: the Rams. His idea was f these picks like that
Speaker 5: was his that literally had T shirts made. So I
Speaker 5: forget the picks. I'll trade the picks to go get
Speaker 5: better player, veteran players that I can win with today,
Speaker 5: Howie Roseman said, after money, I'm going to go buy
Speaker 5: all the players that I need. I'm a draft. Well,
Speaker 5: because they wasn't drafted. You know, quan Yon Minchell was
Speaker 5: the starting corner and Cooper Dejean who was starting corner,
Speaker 5: and they drafted you know, Jordan Davis and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: But but that was in their reason. After they won it,
Speaker 5: they said, we're rebuilding. We come back a couple of
Speaker 5: years later. But they went and got Saquon right, They
Speaker 5: went and well aj Brown, they went and got you know,
Speaker 5: all the players that they needed to go get to
Speaker 5: fortify their team. And they said, will worry about the
Speaker 5: money later. Now, what it really comes down to is
Speaker 5: Jeffrey Lowerd who was the owner. You know, when you
Speaker 5: do when you do it the way that they do it,
Speaker 5: You're gonna spend more money up front, right, And so
Speaker 5: that like that part is what comes you got that
Speaker 5: comes out of the donor's pockets, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And then and then now you pay for it on
Speaker 5: the back end. But the upfront money got to come
Speaker 5: out first, and then you pay for it on the
Speaker 5: back end. And they're just like, you know, forget forget
Speaker 5: profit for us, because we're gonna get the profit when
Speaker 5: we win this win. I'm gonna trye more for tickets
Speaker 5: next year, Parker is gonna go up. I'm gonna have
Speaker 5: more a you know what I'm saying. I'm gonna have
Speaker 5: more ads. I'm gonna sell more Jerseys d da da
Speaker 5: dah dah. And And part of the reason when you
Speaker 5: think about all of that, why the Joneses are like,
Speaker 5: I don't have to go spend like that because the
Speaker 5: end result is I already am number one of those
Speaker 5: other areas. I'm already in attendance, I'm already in merch
Speaker 5: I'm already in concessions. I'm already in viewership. So they're
Speaker 5: saying they have to go and spend like that because
Speaker 5: like that's the that's the one in to win part.
Speaker 4: And the tricky part is if you as an owner,
Speaker 4: if you do go all in and you spend it
Speaker 4: like say the Eagles, and you don't win it, then
Speaker 4: that's a negative, negative because you're way upside down.
Speaker 5: Now that's Cleveland, right, that's Denver. Right. Dever had to
Speaker 5: eat a bunch of money with Russell Wilson, eighty million
Speaker 5: dollars with Russell Wilson, Cleveland. They went out and they
Speaker 5: spent two U thirty million dollars. Garon teed for Deshaun
Speaker 5: Watson and other players of Miles Garrett. They tried to
Speaker 5: you know, and now that didn't work out. The Saints
Speaker 5: were in some of those situations where they tried to
Speaker 5: go and keep pushing it forward. Sometimes you got to
Speaker 5: like you know, like in the in the in the
Speaker 5: poker game, sometimes you got to know when to hold
Speaker 5: them and know when to fold them. And sometimes teams,
Speaker 5: you know, now that is the risk. The risk is
Speaker 5: if it doesn't work out.
Speaker 9: But this is my question it hasn't worked out for
Speaker 9: the Cowboys and other occasions are they letting passed his?
Speaker 5: But what other occasions though, well.
Speaker 10: I mean you go back.
Speaker 9: They got into camp Hill in the early two thousands
Speaker 9: after the championships, which is probably worth it, but they
Speaker 9: got into camp Hill. They the last huge free agent
Speaker 9: was Brandon Carr, who was good, he was solid, but
Speaker 9: he wasn't a game.
Speaker 5: Sh They screwed. They screwed branded car like position.
Speaker 9: They they and then you know, they signed Zeke two
Speaker 9: years earlier, one of the worst deals ever that no
Speaker 9: running backs made as much per year since then. I
Speaker 9: think he made fifteen million. Nobody's been signed higher than
Speaker 9: like ten or twelve or something like that. You know,
Speaker 9: they paid Jayleen Smith early, they paid Terrence Steele early.
Speaker 9: I mean, all these past mistakes keeping them from taking
Speaker 9: risks now.
Speaker 5: Possibly, But like you, you shot yourself in the foot, right,
Speaker 5: you gave you dangled money in front of Jalen Smith,
Speaker 5: who you know and we know and I say you
Speaker 5: not you, but I'm saying you know that man had
Speaker 5: one leg. You knew that, But you tried to play
Speaker 5: a game with Zeke because he was holding out and
Speaker 5: you were talking about the pie. Whoever come get the pie?
Speaker 5: And Jala jumped on it. Kudos to him and his team,
Speaker 5: but you knew Jalen wasn't worth that.
Speaker 9: Now you've got you tied up in a cornerback and
Speaker 9: Diggs's coming off two knee injuries a quarterback and the
Speaker 9: Scott's got a pair of leg injuries.
Speaker 10: I mean it.
Speaker 6: You can't when when a guy's injured.
Speaker 7: Most teams, when a guy's injured, they have a board
Speaker 7: and it goes red. We will when we figure out
Speaker 7: who he is and what he is after this injury,
Speaker 7: then we'll talk to him.
Speaker 6: Most you got to saying what's the lineback of the ooh?
Speaker 5: How lady vandor usher?
Speaker 6: He was on sixty percent of the boards in the
Speaker 6: league on red don't.
Speaker 3: Touch during the draft.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the same board pops up on injuries.
Speaker 7: You go to the red when you have a major injury,
Speaker 7: like right now, Number thirteen, our best, our second best
Speaker 7: defensive player should be in the red. It shouldn't be
Speaker 7: no contract talks. You should learn from that. We haven't learned.
Speaker 7: We haven't learned that. Hey, you know what, Nate, you're
Speaker 7: thirty two. You ain't that cat who you was three
Speaker 7: years ago.
Speaker 9: See you, we're at the same time that are they
Speaker 9: gunshy to go out in free agency because they haven't
Speaker 9: really hit on anybody.
Speaker 5: But see, I don't you can I don't know if
Speaker 5: they're I mean, yes, there are gunshot because they're not
Speaker 5: doing it. But you also can't become fixated and fascinated
Speaker 5: on your own guys. And that's what that's what the
Speaker 5: cowboys have been known to do. Our guys were gonna
Speaker 5: because all the guys that you name are their guys,
Speaker 5: like they weren't. They didn't bring us some other guys
Speaker 5: who were. Trayvonhaen was their guy, Zeke was their guy.
Speaker 5: Uh the right tackle, steal their guy, Gallup their guy.
Speaker 5: So they get fixated on this whole thing of paying
Speaker 5: our guys. All these guys you paid Steel after coming
Speaker 5: off of a c hell. Hell, we can all be
Speaker 5: we can go all the way back. Gallup you paid him,
Speaker 5: You paid Barry Church. He came up of a c
Speaker 5: l My boy, Barry, you know, I love you, boy.
Speaker 4: But you know, I mean, it's almost like they signed
Speaker 4: the one they like to gamble, right, we can sign
Speaker 4: this guy and we think.
Speaker 3: He's gonna get through this, we think he's gonna.
Speaker 4: Work out, and then they let the ones that you
Speaker 4: have here that you know, you know, Dorren's armstrong, Tyler Beatdish,
Speaker 4: you know, Tyron Smith to me is the one that
Speaker 4: they let go that you should have let go, right,
Speaker 4: Like they let him go a year or two maybe
Speaker 4: too late, right, love Tyron, but right, but the results
Speaker 4: are you know that hot towel quit working, right, So
Speaker 4: I mean it's you know, I love you, Tyron, but
Speaker 4: you know it's almost like the guys you.
Speaker 3: Shouldn't gamble on.
Speaker 4: You should say, let's lock him up because Os is
Speaker 4: in a great spot. Os is like, thank you for
Speaker 4: letting this go this far because I bought out this year.
Speaker 4: They're mentioning my name on every national broadcast and I'm
Speaker 4: getting paid whether it's here.
Speaker 5: I think he's number eleventh prospect. Yeah, like like free
Speaker 5: age and prospect this offseason, he's just like overall, he's.
Speaker 4: Gonna get like a Robert Quinn type deal where he
Speaker 4: come here, leaves here and goes, thank you, thank you
Speaker 4: so much for the star.
Speaker 5: How do we got? Like he got people and stuff,
Speaker 5: Like there's a lot of places that he can do.
Speaker 5: It makes it make Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I mean it's it's almost like they they like
Speaker 4: the the Hey, if this guy works out, we're gonna
Speaker 4: be geniuses.
Speaker 5: And see, OLSA could have been a guy that you
Speaker 5: did two years ago. Yeah, who'll have taken whatever you
Speaker 5: get way, whatever you get them, you could have get
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, like, and you could have
Speaker 5: came in way like oh boom, I'm on it, let's go.
Speaker 5: But you wait till he gets here and then he
Speaker 5: balls out. Now you're like, damn, can't franchise him. It's
Speaker 5: like thirty was like thirty four million of franchise them some.
Speaker 4: Crazy And you know what, It's so easy for us
Speaker 4: to sit here and talk about all this.
Speaker 6: It's so easy, but some things are so right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, every guy that he named is a guy that
Speaker 7: was injured or coming off major injury. I have been
Speaker 7: injured most of their careers. It's no where you signed
Speaker 7: those guys. I love you to death, but we gonna
Speaker 7: find out who you are after this injury.
Speaker 4: All right, I gotta I have a we gotta take
Speaker 4: a break. I have a question for it, something Nick
Speaker 4: and I talked about the other day. And then we
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Speaker 4: we all saw the game right and I think we
Speaker 4: could all agree that defense won that game?
Speaker 3: Do you do you?
Speaker 4: This is something Nick brought up when I was talking
Speaker 4: to him last week.
Speaker 3: This week. When was the game Sundays past Sunday? Yes,
Speaker 3: so it was this week. I guess.
Speaker 4: You know the mentality of like usually going all in
Speaker 4: or trading for players or acquiring players, usually your mind
Speaker 4: goes to the offensive side of the ball, right, like
Speaker 4: you got to have people to score points. Does this
Speaker 4: maybe change your mentality and go all right, look you
Speaker 4: got Micah, go get another badass that where the whoever
Speaker 4: you're playing cannot throw the ball because they have two
Speaker 4: seconds or less to throw it. And you triple down
Speaker 4: and you go, I'm gonna go get someone like a
Speaker 4: guy right now that's on another team that wants to
Speaker 4: be released and go somewhere else.
Speaker 5: The guy from Arlington Martin.
Speaker 4: That guy's the guy that looks like a Greek god.
Speaker 4: You know, do you just double down and say, you
Speaker 4: know what, I am going all in and I'm going
Speaker 4: to make whoever we play one dimensional where they have
Speaker 4: to run the ball because you're not going to have
Speaker 4: time to throw it instead of trying to, you know,
Speaker 4: go get key guys at key positions and trying to
Speaker 4: load up on offense because you got a sixty million
Speaker 4: dollar a year quarterback and you're trying to cater to him.
Speaker 4: Do you do you flip that mentality and go look
Speaker 4: what the Eagles did you know they be? They built
Speaker 4: it through the draft. But do you go get a
Speaker 4: win now guy that you can put opposite of Micah
Speaker 4: and say, all right, this is what we're doing for
Speaker 4: the next three years.
Speaker 6: You don't have anybody in the middle.
Speaker 3: And the same problem.
Speaker 7: And I get and I got away from this year
Speaker 7: after year because I know y'all just got tired of
Speaker 7: me just hammering, hammering, hammer and hammering about the middle.
Speaker 7: You don't have anybody in the middle offensively, and you
Speaker 7: don't have anybody in the middle defense.
Speaker 4: What if you go, Okay, we're selling our future for
Speaker 4: the one thing that we're kept them far out.
Speaker 6: So you think we don't have.
Speaker 7: Enough player for per player in our own division to
Speaker 7: fight right now? We we We can't match up man
Speaker 7: to man with the Redskin with do Commanders, and we
Speaker 7: definitely right now can't line up man to man. I'm
Speaker 7: talking in a playoff situation. I ain't some about during
Speaker 7: the year when everybody ain't hyped. I'm talking when everybody
Speaker 7: hyped and giving their best shot. We can't line up
Speaker 7: right now man to man with these guys.
Speaker 6: So you can't sell out for this guy.
Speaker 7: This guy, what is a twenty to thirty million dollar player,
Speaker 7: That'll be two of them on defense.
Speaker 6: You can't afford it. You just can't afford it.
Speaker 7: And you too far out. Marzie hasn't shown you enough.
Speaker 7: You may lose osa. So who do you got in
Speaker 7: the middle? So if they the garden centers doing their job.
Speaker 5: Justin Rogers, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to take a shot.
Speaker 10: Watching that game.
Speaker 3: You can apologize, but you.
Speaker 7: Meant to I'm just saying you is I'm wrong here?
Speaker 7: You got how much does this guy make.
Speaker 6: A year in Cleveland?
Speaker 10: Yeah it's a bunch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well maybe not him, But like, do you load up?
Speaker 10: To me?
Speaker 9: That the biggest you know, obviously we all saw the
Speaker 9: difference between the Cowboys and and Eagles in that game.
Speaker 9: To me, the biggest difference was on the minor of scrimmage.
Speaker 9: I mean that was pretty obvious.
Speaker 10: I think. I mean, they have to do something on
Speaker 10: the defensive line.
Speaker 3: Well, Nate's been saying that for yeah, five years now.
Speaker 6: They just stop.
Speaker 10: They haven't.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean they've just they've got to do something.
Speaker 9: I don't know, going all in on just defense, but
Speaker 9: you really both I guess that was any question marks
Speaker 9: on the offensive line too.
Speaker 4: That was my question is do you since you do
Speaker 4: have Micah? You know, you had Dak and you tried
Speaker 4: to load up on offense and that didn't work. Now
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to pay Micah, do you load up
Speaker 4: and flip it and then put all your chips in
Speaker 4: on the defensive side and just win with an okay offense.
Speaker 7: They just gave it, got five year contract. It has
Speaker 7: to show up in two years. Will McLay has to
Speaker 7: show up, and I'm praying he picked the players, not
Speaker 7: a group. Not Hey, Jesse, what you think. I know
Speaker 7: you play defense, but I'm overhill on offense.
Speaker 6: What you think?
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, Jesse, you had a defense, you
Speaker 7: had an offense. I'm gonna do the special teams and
Speaker 7: we're gonna get our players from the scouts. Now I'm
Speaker 7: not saying they don't do that. I don't know, but
Speaker 7: that committee thing does not work. Howie Roseman, has I
Speaker 7: got his name correct?
Speaker 5: That's a gym.
Speaker 7: Yes, for the Philadelphiagas, it's all on him, the headman,
Speaker 7: and for the Rams, it's all on him. It ain't.
Speaker 7: You don't go to nobody else. You know, when we lose.
Speaker 7: We got Missus Jones, we got missus Stephen Jones, we
Speaker 7: got the head coach, and we got Willed. So we
Speaker 7: got like the fan base talking about eight guys, it
Speaker 7: should fall on one guy. It should fall on one guy.
Speaker 7: You tell me what you like, what you want, and
Speaker 7: I'm going to get those players and I'm gonna present
Speaker 7: these players to you, and I'm gonna tell you, hey, man,
Speaker 7: I know you like that dude, but the train them.
Speaker 7: When I talked to him at Colorado said, this, dude
Speaker 7: is an accident waiting to happen.
Speaker 6: You ain't not want to do that. No, I can
Speaker 6: talk to him. I got him. And then two days later,
Speaker 6: Oh man, what were Donne dead here? He ain't you
Speaker 6: just badly drafting?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 6: I'm just that's just my feeling.
Speaker 3: So the odds maker, which part?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 4: I I don't know what you do at this point,
Speaker 4: because like Nate said, you got all your money tied
Speaker 4: up in your quarterback right in.
Speaker 7: A wide receiver and find to be a We got eagles,
Speaker 7: got seven players gonna equal what our three studs gonna
Speaker 7: make over the next to twenty nine to when just
Speaker 7: said when the explosion is supposed out in Philly. But
Speaker 7: I promise you this how we do, He's gonna be
Speaker 7: gonna cut half of them. Do is a release a
Speaker 7: trade at most of it?
Speaker 6: I promise you.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think your offensive line you need some
Speaker 4: work there. But I think if you focus on the
Speaker 4: run game but you don't really have a running back
Speaker 4: right now, If you do the blueprints you had after
Speaker 4: Dak went down, your offense can score your enough points
Speaker 4: to win games. I think you have to invest in
Speaker 4: your defensive line. You gotta put get some pieces in
Speaker 4: the offensive line, invest in the defensive line.
Speaker 3: It all starts up front on both sides.
Speaker 4: You got a serviceable offense, you gotta plug in the
Speaker 4: offensive line. You gotta fix the defense, and it starts
Speaker 4: in the middle. I think that's what you gotta do.
Speaker 4: You know, skill positions are great, but if you got
Speaker 4: six seconds to throw, Kurt, you could you could find
Speaker 4: somebody openly.
Speaker 3: So that's just my opinion.
Speaker 5: You know, money, it's and we talk about like I
Speaker 5: get it. In the division. We talk about the Eagles
Speaker 5: and Phil in the Washington a lot. But that's just
Speaker 5: to get into the player, like, yeah, we'll be back,
Speaker 5: the Vikings will be back healthy for nine ers, the Niners,
Speaker 5: the Rams. I mean like there are teams. I mean,
Speaker 5: like if you if you count Philly and in Washington,
Speaker 5: that's six teams that you're looking up out and you're
Speaker 5: saying today today, we aren't better than them. We aren't
Speaker 5: better than the Vikings. We aren't better than the Lions,
Speaker 5: we aren't better than the Niners.
Speaker 3: We aren't better well Vegas. Vegas has the Cowboys fourth
Speaker 3: in the division.
Speaker 6: According to Kurt, they have them.
Speaker 3: They have the Giants. They have the Giants above the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: Vegas, You're the worst. You're not getting my money on
Speaker 5: that one.
Speaker 10: They have the Cowboys the fourth, not getting third.
Speaker 5: If you just said third, see third day, you're not
Speaker 5: getting nobody money. But when you put fourth and people
Speaker 5: gonna start putting is it.
Speaker 3: Fourth in the division or the conference?
Speaker 9: Fourth, worst odds or biggest odds or whatever to make
Speaker 9: the super Bowl in the conference, the only teams belong
Speaker 9: are the Giants, Saints, and Pants.
Speaker 3: Okay, they're about the Giants the division for the conference.
Speaker 3: I misread that. Yeah, time about right, Saints Giants and
Speaker 3: who else?
Speaker 9: Saints, Giants, Panthers. So in their eyes, in the betting
Speaker 9: world's eyes, the Cowboys are ranked twelfth in the conference
Speaker 9: as of right now.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's take a lot. We're gonna we're gonna end
Speaker 3: on a positive note. Let's take a break. It's just
Speaker 3: hard to end on the positive note. When the Eagles
Speaker 3: win the super Bowl and.
Speaker 6: And they're young, four guys break the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7: Yeah, or defensive lineman, they wrecked the Super Bowl and
Speaker 7: now they're their defensive corder and said, I not want
Speaker 7: to have the recipe for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 6: I got the recipe.
Speaker 3: They should have There should have been a four way
Speaker 3: tie for the m v P.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I wondered that if they would like to. I
Speaker 10: know what Jayalen's saying, like Randy White and Harvey Martin.
Speaker 6: I know what Jayleen Carter is saying this. I won
Speaker 6: this with the Rams. I'm the reason we are in
Speaker 6: the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the final segment of Hanging with the Boys,
Speaker 4: brought to you each and every show by Jigsaw, the
Speaker 4: proud dating partner of the Dallas Cowboys. Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly,
Speaker 4: Nate Newton, I'm Shannon Gross. We're talking about Cowboys, Thank you,
Speaker 4: and Eagles. Did anyone have a better Has anyone ever
Speaker 4: had a better.
Speaker 3: Twenty second birthday than Cooper dejene.
Speaker 4: Twenty two won the Super Bowl. First career interception ever.
Speaker 3: Was in the Super Bowl. Now he's probably like, this
Speaker 3: is easy.
Speaker 4: We will be here every year from now on, at
Speaker 4: least two or three more times. I'll have a chance
Speaker 4: to win this.
Speaker 3: You know how hard it is.
Speaker 6: Listens to twenty nine.
Speaker 4: That was es.
Speaker 3: What a start to a career for that kid. Huh
Speaker 3: oh man. All right, Kurt, we got about eight minutes left.
Speaker 3: What do you want to talk about.
Speaker 4: We want to talk about Patrick Mackles, Patrick Mahone's dad
Speaker 4: and John Rocker getting into it on Bourbon Street and
Speaker 4: then Barstool immediately signing him to Rough and Rowdy. No,
Speaker 4: did you know that? Apparently they've had beef since they're
Speaker 4: playing days in uh Major League Baseball, And I don't know,
Speaker 4: but Patrick Mahone's dad was outside of a bar and
Speaker 4: John Rocker comes running out and they almost literally fight
Speaker 4: in the street.
Speaker 3: Somebody got in between them, and then Dave.
Speaker 4: Portnoy on Barstool and now it's like two days later
Speaker 4: they've signed them to their Rough and Rowdy series fights
Speaker 4: and they got to.
Speaker 5: I don't know if Pat you want to do that?
Speaker 3: And he's not right. He's got that, he's got that
Speaker 3: anger at him like.
Speaker 7: One is uh curveball. He's right here trying to throw
Speaker 7: something different. Cost of brave man get out of it.
Speaker 6: Beat him up.
Speaker 3: So go ahead, Kurt, Sorry I cut you off.
Speaker 10: Why wasn't.
Speaker 6: I got it, got it?
Speaker 10: Okay, let me ask you this since Super Bowl related.
Speaker 9: I think for the longest time, we've all thought that
Speaker 9: Dak was still a better quarterback than Jail and her
Speaker 9: kind of kind of the same styles in some ways.
Speaker 9: But I don't know now if it's a healthy Dak
Speaker 9: my camera healthy, still better than Jalen Hurst pass him.
Speaker 5: No, if we just went player for player, give me Dak.
Speaker 10: Me that surprised me.
Speaker 6: I thought you'd have a different Dak is better thrower Jalen.
Speaker 5: We all we said it earlier. Jalen had the better team.
Speaker 5: He had the better team. He just didn't have His
Speaker 5: only goal was don't mess this up. Don't mess it up,
Speaker 5: don't fumble interception, don't just manage this. When they give
Speaker 5: you the opportunity to make the throw, You're you're in
Speaker 5: the NFL starting quarterback. If they're gonna go man the
Speaker 5: man and Spig will try to have some crazy blitz
Speaker 5: find number eleven, find advantae Smith and just throw it.
Speaker 5: Just throw gobolls and they'll catch them. Just don't mess
Speaker 5: this up.
Speaker 3: So I don't.
Speaker 5: I think if you put Dak in that situation, they
Speaker 5: win that Super Bowl. You put Dak on that team
Speaker 5: they won the Super Bowl. MRAVIVI jefse on this because
Speaker 5: it'll make you think because he won. He won the biggest,
Speaker 5: the biggest show on Earth. But if you know, before
Speaker 5: going into that game, I said, you.
Speaker 6: Know, man, it hurts. No. I kept saying the mind,
Speaker 6: it hurts. No mess this up. I'm telling about it.
Speaker 6: It's gonna come down to hurts.
Speaker 7: Because even when we talked about the second game during
Speaker 7: the regular season, when we talked about it, we had
Speaker 7: four players.
Speaker 6: Before we even mentioned Jaylor, and then we just say,
Speaker 6: and Jalen hurts.
Speaker 7: So even though what all this kid has went through
Speaker 7: and he's came through it in flying colors, he did
Speaker 7: not mess this game up. And it's okay to bild
Speaker 7: bus drivel. It can get you an m v P
Speaker 7: and they can make you one of the top guys
Speaker 7: in the league.
Speaker 9: What you think, Kurt, Well, now that you guys have
Speaker 9: put it that way, they came around, Hey, it's okay
Speaker 9: to have your own opinion.
Speaker 4: Even though these guys played football. You can have a
Speaker 4: conflicting opinion. It's totally fine. That's what they are their opinion.
Speaker 4: They're like they're like buttholes. Everybody's got one. Nobody wants
Speaker 4: to listen to it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, if you, But how about the dual threat factor.
Speaker 9: I mean you're not getting that from Dak anymore. Where
Speaker 9: Jalen had seventy two yard dressing in that But again
Speaker 9: is that's still part of the team around.
Speaker 5: But that was again that factor. It was like we're
Speaker 5: gonna load up, We're gonna you're not gonna run Saquon,
Speaker 5: and so we're gonna load the box. I'm not gonna
Speaker 5: run Saquon. And then Jalen Hurst uses athleticism. Now, if
Speaker 5: you now here's where Dak, Here's where the knot will
Speaker 5: begin to come against Dak. If you're not a mobile
Speaker 5: quarterback in today's football, it ain't You're done. Your team
Speaker 5: won't have success. You won't have success. And I'm not
Speaker 5: saying you got to be Michael Vicker Jayden Daniels. I'm
Speaker 5: saying that you have to be a mobile quarterback. You
Speaker 5: have to be willing to be able to move around
Speaker 5: in the pocket and then when everything fails, tuck it
Speaker 5: and go like you have to be able to do that.
Speaker 5: Like the athleticism is there. Dak thirty two years old,
Speaker 5: he's already had the ankle, he's now had the major.
Speaker 5: So he had the major surgery in the ankle, major
Speaker 5: surgery on the hamstring. I don't know where he's going
Speaker 5: to be at athletically when it comes to what mentally
Speaker 5: and physically going forward. And if we're talking about in
Speaker 5: the trenches and you don't have an offensive line that's
Speaker 5: going to be able to give you the time to
Speaker 5: be able to stand in the pocket and deliver, then
Speaker 5: you're looking you're looking at a very very difficult situation
Speaker 5: because you're gonna you're gonna face teams now who have
Speaker 5: who have built their programs defensively to go and stop
Speaker 5: mobile quarterbacks. So if you're not able to move and
Speaker 5: get away from defenders the Jordan Davis's of the world,
Speaker 5: the Pains and and and and in Washington, the the A.
Speaker 5: Hutchinson's when they come back and you know, all the
Speaker 5: people that you have to deal with in this in
Speaker 5: this division and conference, you're cooked.
Speaker 4: Let me let me let me back you up a
Speaker 4: little bit because because this is a question I have
Speaker 4: because I don't disagree with that, but you said, if
Speaker 4: you have to be a somewhat of a mobile quarterback
Speaker 4: in this league now, right, unless you're saying, unless you're
Speaker 4: somebody that's elite, like an elite.
Speaker 6: Mobile.
Speaker 3: But no, no, no, no, here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: If Tom Brady and Peyton Manning played in this league
Speaker 4: right now, are you saying they wouldn't be able to win?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 10: Wow?
Speaker 3: Tom Brady just won a Super Bowl two years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so the league changed that much since he won it? Really?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 9: Where does that say now for the Cowboys having a
Speaker 9: quarterback that's not going to sure doesn't look like he's
Speaker 9: going to give you that run threat.
Speaker 5: It doesn't have to be the run threat. It just
Speaker 5: has to be the willing gets seven when you need it,
Speaker 5: the willingness to get eight, the willingness to do it
Speaker 5: like that. That's like, that's the big thing. And let
Speaker 5: me just say that like they would struggle, Peyton Manning
Speaker 5: and Tom Brady would struggle in today's football. The ball
Speaker 5: would have to come out extremely extremely quick.
Speaker 7: And the way and the way they beat you then
Speaker 7: is the way they'll beat you now because they beat
Speaker 7: you mentally. They beat you mentally, And so I'm mad
Speaker 7: to what Jesse saying. I agree that you're gonna have
Speaker 7: to be mobile, especially going forward, gonna have to be mobile.
Speaker 7: But unless you extremely intelligent with that football and in
Speaker 7: reading these coverages, I mean extremely intelligent, because they advantished that.
Speaker 7: These two guys you mentioned, when they walked to the line,
Speaker 7: they automatically look at the automatically started eliminating.
Speaker 5: Here, look at look at Peyton Manning went. Peyton Manning
Speaker 5: won his last Super Bowl. Yeah, well he was getting
Speaker 5: he was getting backpacked. Yeah, he was getting back Was
Speaker 5: that fitch was that defense was hold? Yeah, he was
Speaker 5: getting backpacked that last that last go around. And then
Speaker 5: Tom he put together a great squad. They put together
Speaker 5: a great squad in Tampa Bay and was like and yeah,
Speaker 5: yeah he was. Yeah, you know at that time he
Speaker 5: wasn't getting back Peyton Manning was nothinely getting backpacked, and
Speaker 5: Tom Brady he was getting the ball out out of
Speaker 5: his store.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, he said. There was an interview. I'm sure,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys saw it.
Speaker 4: I don't remember what show it was on, but he
Speaker 4: was talking about that last Super Bowl and he said,
Speaker 4: what I where I excelled at and my hit my
Speaker 4: superpower was I studied so much film before that Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: He's like, I had two weeks of film study where
Speaker 4: when guys walked to the line and they their body
Speaker 4: language is a certain way. I knew where they were
Speaker 4: going to be. He goes, And the advantage that I
Speaker 4: had I got five guys in a route. I know
Speaker 4: exactly where each one of them is going to be
Speaker 4: at a certain time. And if I look at a
Speaker 4: coverage and I know none of these guys are going
Speaker 4: to be open, I don't run the play. He's like,
Speaker 4: I check out or I call a time out. He's like,
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't go to the line, and he goes,
Speaker 4: I know, Y like, I know exactly where my guys
Speaker 4: are going to be, and I know who should be open,
Speaker 4: and if there's a coverage that I go, wait a minute,
Speaker 4: this this package and these routes aren't designed for that coverage.
Speaker 3: I don't run the play. He was like, that's what.
Speaker 3: That's where. So he even knew, like I don't have
Speaker 3: the armstrength to zip it in somewhere.
Speaker 6: He just mobilities, because that's brought it up.
Speaker 7: The mobility is what made him start talking about what
Speaker 7: what what what you're saying, Shannon, The bottom line is
Speaker 7: when you have elite intelligence. Mike Irving like said, above
Speaker 7: the neck intelligence when you got that right there and
Speaker 7: you got a nice arm and just uh just no
Speaker 7: parkt awareness. That's what we used to call it parket awareness.
Speaker 7: Now it is the word mobility because if you can't
Speaker 7: move out of the way of a Jaalen Carter are
Speaker 7: these other guys? Are the guy from Cleveland, You're gonna
Speaker 7: get smacked. You're gonna get what you called backpack. Tom
Speaker 7: Brady and Peyton were those type guys. I've heard them
Speaker 7: talk to Dion's boy about that same thing, and he
Speaker 7: was telling him a couple of years ago. Uh, the
Speaker 7: great guy who was on TV now, Tom Brady telling
Speaker 7: him his son. Yeah, yeah, I know it was Peyton.
Speaker 7: Excuse me, I'm going like you, it was Peyton, he said,
Speaker 7: when I walked to the line, son, I'm on and
Speaker 7: eliminated what routes can't work, And that goes to that's
Speaker 7: a bad play. Coaches called a bad play. Let me
Speaker 7: put them in a better position. And his receivers were smart.
Speaker 7: That's why Ocho did not last. He did not last
Speaker 7: with Tom Brady because he's like they played their first
Speaker 7: game and he.
Speaker 6: Came out of the game. Ain't called the past.
Speaker 7: I'm like, man, I see what I see. I see
Speaker 7: why y'all are so good. Yeah, you can't even run
Speaker 7: a simple route brou because they gave a different look.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 7: When you're on that level right there, that that yes, yes,
Speaker 7: well that's the level that Dock has to get you now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he has to be receiver this his career because
Speaker 5: he's never had the biggest harm. It's not never been
Speaker 5: his talent, Like his talent has never been there. I
Speaker 5: got this powerful arm. Now he has a throw his
Speaker 5: team throws one of the best throws in the league. Yes,
Speaker 5: he can throw that scene, but he has to now
Speaker 5: be on the elite level of intelligence. What I'm like
Speaker 5: to that point where Peyton and Tom are talking about
Speaker 5: being able to come to the line of scrimmage. And
Speaker 5: the thing that is full Dak Prescott in the past
Speaker 5: is when he doesn't have a solid running game and
Speaker 5: teams drop back and make him have to sift through coverage.
Speaker 5: That has been the achilles Heel for Dak Prescott. That
Speaker 5: the whole Vic Fangio blueprint is I'm gonna make you
Speaker 5: have to read through seven and eight guys in coverage.
Speaker 5: We ain't worried about sacking you. I'm just worried about
Speaker 5: now letting you believe that you saw something that ain't
Speaker 5: really there, and then when you throw it, gotcha. That's
Speaker 5: where he has to now go. He has to go
Speaker 5: now to where I am the most intelligent dude at
Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage. Because I don't have the mobility anymore.
Speaker 5: My offensive line may not be as great as it
Speaker 5: once was. And unless the cowboy decide to go and
Speaker 5: you know, bring in a high level number two receiver
Speaker 5: to go with Ceedee Lamb. I'm throwing to Cede Lamb
Speaker 5: and some maybies yea. So Dak gotta go, get to
Speaker 5: go Busters.
Speaker 6: We'll get dan Ackroyd, got all of gobc.
Speaker 3: Well Marlow's story. We got some work to do it well.
Speaker 7: We need to do the draft show. No no, no, no,
Speaker 7: no reason, because we know what we want to get.
Speaker 7: Office of devis allownement. So we just go get the
Speaker 7: draft show over.
Speaker 4: We only need about what ten first round picks. Shore
Speaker 4: all this up and get him on, get him on
Speaker 4: a budget, and they just maybe.
Speaker 6: The trade everybody and just go first round crazy.
Speaker 3: Just start over, start all rookie team.
Speaker 4: That's what it's going to be anyway, all right, Nay,
Speaker 4: good stuff, Jesse, good stuff, Kurk, good seeing you, Jazz,
Speaker 4: thanks for keeping us.
Speaker 3: On the air, Josh, thanks for keeping us company. Chris
Speaker 3: enjoy vacation.
Speaker 4: We will be back next Thursday, same time, same play.
Speaker 3: What are we going to talk about next week?
Speaker 5: Don't wear eagle shirt? Huh, we'll figure it out. Nothing's
Speaker 5: the Cowboys. Somebody will say something. We didn't get into
Speaker 5: the CD comment. We didn't get into the comment. The
Speaker 5: new coaches, we didn't get into the bike comments.
Speaker 6: What new coach? And he always been with us, I thought.
Speaker 3: Means he's a new head coach. Okay, the promotion and
Speaker 3: he hired a lot of new people, So he hired
Speaker 3: a lot of new coaches.
Speaker 7: Hope his new office line coach. Don't be scared to
Speaker 7: start the best player? Awesome Richards.
Speaker 3: All right, well, yeah, there will be something. There will
Speaker 3: be something.
Speaker 4: Do we make do the Cowboys take the thunder back
Speaker 4: from the MAVs and make headlines within the next week
Speaker 4: before the next show the same way?
Speaker 3: But will something happen here that.
Speaker 5: It always does?
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