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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys blowing out of

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Speaker 1: the backfield, exploding down the sideline. This is Hanging with

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Speaker 1: the Boys, presented by wing Stuff Where Flavor gets its Wings.

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Speaker 1: Now your hosts Nate Newton, Kirk Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon.

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Speaker 2: Gross Thursday post Super Bowl show You're looking live at

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Speaker 2: Tostitos Championship Plaza outside Ford Center at the Star in Frisco, Texas.

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Speaker 3: Where this is a lie.

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Speaker 4: It says it's thirty eight degrees and it feels like thirty.

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Speaker 4: It feels more like fifteen out there.

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Speaker 3: The highest forty two. I don't believe it. The low

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Speaker 3: is twenty one.

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Speaker 5: He is shining. That is Nate. This is Kurt in

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Speaker 5: the Back, Keiflan's Life and Local Legs, Our Girl, Jazz,

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Speaker 5: I Am Salt, and Pepper Poppy. Together we make Hanging

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Speaker 5: with the Boys the sports talk equivalent of Browe people.

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Speaker 4: When we speak, brought to each and every day by

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Speaker 4: Wingstop where Favorite gets its wi Nate, you got your wish.

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Speaker 3: You're the only Cowboy fan in the world that wanted

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Speaker 3: the Eagles to win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: Yes you did.

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Speaker 4: Y'all are ridiculous. Y'all are should turn in your cowboy

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Speaker 4: fandom card.

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Speaker 6: Nope, it's the NFC. It does not matter.

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Speaker 3: It is Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 7: I ride in the NFC. You know I ride NFC.

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Speaker 7: I don't change that. Certain things that stayed with SEC football, NFC,

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Speaker 7: Boston Celtics, Braves. When I used to can tell you

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Speaker 7: who the players were, it was yeah, that's about it.

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Speaker 8: Man.

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Speaker 6: No hockey for me, No soccer, tennis, No.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever been a hockey game?

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Speaker 6: Yes, sir, old great sport to watch it live, not

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Speaker 6: on TV.

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Speaker 3: What did the game tell you? Guys?

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Speaker 4: I think we could all see them winning, but I

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Speaker 4: don't think anyone saw them winning that way. And the

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Speaker 4: defense just completely dominant, and I I think that shows you.

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Speaker 4: You know, you guys talk about it on the show

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Speaker 4: all the time. It all starts up front, right.

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes ain't Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 4: If he's got one point three seconds to throw the ball.

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Speaker 4: And they're big, they're strong, they're nasty, they're young, and

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Speaker 4: they're gonna be around for a while.

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Speaker 3: All so what did the game tell you?

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Speaker 6: Kurt? Start with you?

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Speaker 3: First?

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Speaker 9: Engles are tough, and they look like gonna be tough

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Speaker 9: for a while, and that gap between us and them

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Speaker 9: seems whiter than it has in a while.

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Speaker 10: Unfortunately.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Jesse Whutang had a song. Cash rules everything around me. Cream,

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Speaker 5: get the money you want, good players go buy it.

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Speaker 3: At some point that does that catch up to them?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, at twenty twenty nine. Twenty twenty nine is when

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Speaker 5: they're supposed to meet their doom.

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Speaker 3: And then you're just you're a fe're the Eagles.

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Speaker 4: You're just hoping by then the money gets bigger and bigger,

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Speaker 4: which you will keep pushing it out, pushing it.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly there, and that's exactly their mentality.

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Speaker 3: And if it ever catches you, we just reset the reset.

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Speaker 3: But we got two or three along the way, right.

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Speaker 5: That's that's their thought process. It's it's twenty twenty nine

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Speaker 5: they're supposed to meet right, They're supposed to meet their

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Speaker 5: maker then. But by that time the salary cap would

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Speaker 5: get to that point in twenty twenty nine, those players

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Speaker 5: Jalen Hurst is still you still believe that's gonna be

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Speaker 5: money I owe him in twenty twenty nine, I put

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Speaker 5: that back in the pot, and I scraplated out for

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Speaker 5: five more years and I pushed this thing on down

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Speaker 5: the line to twenty thirty four. And that's what they do.

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Speaker 5: Just keep doing that until eventually they'll go, Okay, we

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Speaker 5: for anymore. So that's when we that's when we take

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Speaker 5: the hit and we suck. We get a high draft pick.

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Speaker 5: But look at these but we got we got you,

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Speaker 3: And you've got it. I mean, that's it.

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Speaker 4: That's becoming in this league of talent, right to realize

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Speaker 4: because I think around here, the way I remember it is,

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Speaker 4: they used to do that here.

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Speaker 3: They used to go after the big free agents.

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Speaker 4: They used to go after the big dogs, the shining

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Speaker 4: stay ahead of the cap and stay under and stay

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Speaker 4: the future now. But I don't think in this the

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Speaker 4: way this NFL works, you have to you have to.

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Speaker 4: It's about timing right, and you have to time it

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Speaker 4: perfect and go we're going in now because we got

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Speaker 4: a good core, and here's the guys we can put

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Speaker 4: pay the price later. But because if you don't win

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Speaker 4: now and you pay the price later, you wreck your franchise.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: Well, part of it is is when it comes to contract,

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Speaker 5: how like the Cowboys wait till players like they're about

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Speaker 5: to do one a little bit with Michael Parsons. They

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Speaker 5: did the same thing with Cde Lamb. They did the

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Speaker 5: same thing with Dak Prescott, these major these major players

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Speaker 5: on your team. The smart way to do it is

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Speaker 5: if I know that I'm going to keep Kurt on

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Speaker 5: my football team for the foreseeable future, and he's two

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Speaker 5: years before he gets a new deal, but he's playing

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Speaker 5: I extend him now, right, so I push that money

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Speaker 5: don't want to wait till Kurt gets to the very

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Speaker 5: end of his contract. And now I'm paying either setting

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Speaker 5: I'm caught in to buying because Kurt's a really good player.

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Speaker 5: And now he's saying, hey, bro, either either you're gonna

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Speaker 5: A couple million dollars here, a couple million dollars there.

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Speaker 5: Talk about the Philadelphia Eagles like Jalen Hurts, I think

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Speaker 5: I think the next person in line is seventeen million

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Speaker 5: He's only worth twenty one million dollars against the cap.

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Speaker 5: So that's how you got to move that money around

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Speaker 7: And to add on to what Jesse said, which is

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Speaker 7: so true, but understand me, this is what the Eagles,

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Speaker 7: the Rams and other stealers teams that the Niners are

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Speaker 6: The one thing they don't.

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Speaker 7: Fear is you got two more years left from your contract.

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Speaker 7: You're thirty years old by Cooper cup Bye.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: You gotta be able to see a player and say,

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Speaker 7: you know what we've gotten, what we could got, we

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Speaker 7: don't need these last two years. We're gonna trade him

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Speaker 7: all of a sudden, we eating up extra four million

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Speaker 7: So we eating up an extra forty five million dollars.

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Speaker 7: You gotta remember they traded a bunch of players a

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Speaker 7: go hey, all right, see you later. We wait right

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Speaker 7: up until twenty six players are free now, and people saying, well,

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Speaker 7: which four you won't because we waited late to pay CD,

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Speaker 7: And so now we wound up with two guys and

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Speaker 7: It ain't gonna be with the Eagles. It ain't gonna

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Speaker 6: I promise you had.

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Speaker 5: Like you're you're the Cowboys are sitting in this position

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Speaker 5: right now where they're looking at do they want to

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Speaker 5: sign Osa and not? Or can they sign Osa and not?

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Speaker 5: Because I got to sign Michael first, and because I

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Speaker 5: be a player and they'll pay him and they'll go,

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Speaker 5: that's let's sneed. I said this on my show earlier.

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Speaker 5: Let's need who is the the the general manager for

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Speaker 5: the Rams. His idea was f these picks like that

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Speaker 5: forget the picks. I'll trade the picks to go get

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Speaker 5: Howie Roseman said, after money, I'm going to go buy

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Speaker 5: all the players that I need. I'm a draft. Well,

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Speaker 5: But but that was in their reason. After they won it,

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Speaker 5: went and well aj Brown, they went and got you know,

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Speaker 5: Jeffrey Lowerd who was the owner. You know, when you

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Speaker 5: do when you do it the way that they do it,

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Speaker 5: You're gonna spend more money up front, right, And so

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Speaker 5: that like that part is what comes you got that

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Speaker 5: And then and then now you pay for it on

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Speaker 5: the back end. But the upfront money got to come

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Speaker 5: we win this win. I'm gonna trye more for tickets

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Speaker 5: next year, Parker is gonna go up. I'm gonna have

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Speaker 5: Sh They screwed. They screwed branded car like position.

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Speaker 5: Possibly, But like you, you shot yourself in the foot, right,

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Speaker 10: I mean it.

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Speaker 6: You can't when when a guy's injured.

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Speaker 6: Most you got to saying what's the lineback of the ooh?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and the same board pops up on injuries.

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Speaker 7: You go to the red when you have a major injury,

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Speaker 7: like right now, Number thirteen, our best, our second best

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Speaker 7: no contract talks. You should learn from that. We haven't learned.

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Speaker 7: We haven't learned that. Hey, you know what, Nate, you're

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Speaker 9: See you, we're at the same time that are they

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Speaker 5: But see, I don't you can I don't know if

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Speaker 5: So they get fixated on this whole thing of paying

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Speaker 5: we can go all the way back. Gallup you paid him,

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Speaker 4: But you know, I mean, it's almost like they signed

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Speaker 3: He's gonna get through this, we think he's gonna.

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Speaker 4: Gonna get like a Robert Quinn type deal where he

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Speaker 4: so much for the star.

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Speaker 5: How do we got? Like he got people and stuff,

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Speaker 5: It makes it make Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I mean it's it's almost like they they like

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Speaker 5: And see, OLSA could have been a guy that you

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Speaker 5: But you wait till he gets here and then he

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Speaker 4: Crazy And you know what, It's so easy for us

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Speaker 6: It's so easy, but some things are so right.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, every guy that he named is a guy that

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Speaker 4: to make whoever we play one dimensional where they have

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Speaker 4: to run the ball because you're not going to have

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Speaker 4: time to throw it instead of trying to, you know,

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Speaker 4: go get key guys at key positions and trying to

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Speaker 4: load up on offense because you got a sixty million

443
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Speaker 4: dollar a year quarterback and you're trying to cater to him.

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Speaker 4: Do you do you flip that mentality and go look

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Speaker 4: what the Eagles did you know they be? They built

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Speaker 4: it through the draft. But do you go get a

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Speaker 4: win now guy that you can put opposite of Micah

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Speaker 4: and say, all right, this is what we're doing for

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Speaker 4: the next three years.

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Speaker 6: You don't have anybody in the middle.

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Speaker 3: And the same problem.

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Speaker 7: And I get and I got away from this year

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Speaker 7: after year because I know y'all just got tired of

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Speaker 7: me just hammering, hammering, hammer and hammering about the middle.

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Speaker 7: You don't have anybody in the middle offensively, and you

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Speaker 7: don't have anybody in the middle defense.

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Speaker 4: What if you go, Okay, we're selling our future for

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Speaker 4: the one thing that we're kept them far out.

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Speaker 6: So you think we don't have.

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Speaker 7: Enough player for per player in our own division to

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Speaker 7: fight right now? We we We can't match up man

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Speaker 7: to man with the Redskin with do Commanders, and we

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Speaker 7: definitely right now can't line up man to man. I'm

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Speaker 7: talking in a playoff situation. I ain't some about during

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Speaker 7: the year when everybody ain't hyped. I'm talking when everybody

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Speaker 7: hyped and giving their best shot. We can't line up

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Speaker 7: right now man to man with these guys.

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Speaker 6: So you can't sell out for this guy.

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Speaker 7: This guy, what is a twenty to thirty million dollar player,

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Speaker 7: That'll be two of them on defense.

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Speaker 6: You can't afford it. You just can't afford it.

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Speaker 7: And you too far out. Marzie hasn't shown you enough.

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Speaker 7: You may lose osa. So who do you got in

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Speaker 7: the middle? So if they the garden centers doing their job.

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Speaker 5: Justin Rogers, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to take a shot.

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Speaker 10: Watching that game.

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Speaker 3: You can apologize, but you.

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Speaker 7: Meant to I'm just saying you is I'm wrong here?

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Speaker 7: You got how much does this guy make.

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Speaker 6: A year in Cleveland?

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Speaker 10: Yeah it's a bunch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well maybe not him, But like, do you load up?

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Speaker 10: To me?

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Speaker 9: That the biggest you know, obviously we all saw the

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Speaker 9: difference between the Cowboys and and Eagles in that game.

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Speaker 9: To me, the biggest difference was on the minor of scrimmage.

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Speaker 9: I mean that was pretty obvious.

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Speaker 10: I think. I mean, they have to do something on

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Speaker 10: the defensive line.

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Speaker 3: Well, Nate's been saying that for yeah, five years now.

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Speaker 6: They just stop.

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Speaker 10: They haven't.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean they've just they've got to do something.

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Speaker 9: I don't know, going all in on just defense, but

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Speaker 9: you really both I guess that was any question marks

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Speaker 9: on the offensive line too.

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Speaker 4: That was my question is do you since you do

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Speaker 4: have Micah? You know, you had Dak and you tried

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Speaker 4: to load up on offense and that didn't work. Now

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Speaker 4: you're gonna have to pay Micah, do you load up

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Speaker 4: and flip it and then put all your chips in

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Speaker 4: on the defensive side and just win with an okay offense.

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Speaker 7: They just gave it, got five year contract. It has

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Speaker 7: to show up in two years. Will McLay has to

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Speaker 7: show up, and I'm praying he picked the players, not

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Speaker 7: a group. Not Hey, Jesse, what you think. I know

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Speaker 7: you play defense, but I'm overhill on offense.

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Speaker 6: What you think?

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Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, Jesse, you had a defense, you

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Speaker 7: had an offense. I'm gonna do the special teams and

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Speaker 7: we're gonna get our players from the scouts. Now I'm

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Speaker 7: not saying they don't do that. I don't know, but

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Speaker 7: that committee thing does not work. Howie Roseman, has I

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Speaker 7: got his name correct?

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Speaker 5: That's a gym.

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Speaker 7: Yes, for the Philadelphiagas, it's all on him, the headman,

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Speaker 7: and for the Rams, it's all on him. It ain't.

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Speaker 7: You don't go to nobody else. You know, when we lose.

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Speaker 7: We got Missus Jones, we got missus Stephen Jones, we

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Speaker 7: got the head coach, and we got Willed. So we

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Speaker 7: got like the fan base talking about eight guys, it

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Speaker 7: should fall on one guy. It should fall on one guy.

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Speaker 7: You tell me what you like, what you want, and

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Speaker 7: I'm going to get those players and I'm gonna present

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Speaker 7: these players to you, and I'm gonna tell you, hey, man,

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Speaker 7: I know you like that dude, but the train them.

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Speaker 7: When I talked to him at Colorado said, this, dude

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Speaker 7: is an accident waiting to happen.

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Speaker 6: You ain't not want to do that. No, I can

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Speaker 6: talk to him. I got him. And then two days later,

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Speaker 6: Oh man, what were Donne dead here? He ain't you

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Speaker 6: just badly drafting?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 6: I'm just that's just my feeling.

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Speaker 3: So the odds maker, which part?

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Speaker 8: Man?

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Speaker 4: I I don't know what you do at this point,

538
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Speaker 4: because like Nate said, you got all your money tied

539
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Speaker 4: up in your quarterback right in.

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Speaker 7: A wide receiver and find to be a We got eagles,

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Speaker 7: got seven players gonna equal what our three studs gonna

542
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Speaker 7: make over the next to twenty nine to when just

543
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Speaker 7: said when the explosion is supposed out in Philly. But

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Speaker 7: I promise you this how we do, He's gonna be

545
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Speaker 7: gonna cut half of them. Do is a release a

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Speaker 7: trade at most of it?

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Speaker 6: I promise you.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think your offensive line you need some

549
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Speaker 4: work there. But I think if you focus on the

550
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Speaker 4: run game but you don't really have a running back

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Speaker 4: right now, If you do the blueprints you had after

552
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Speaker 4: Dak went down, your offense can score your enough points

553
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Speaker 4: to win games. I think you have to invest in

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Speaker 4: your defensive line. You gotta put get some pieces in

555
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Speaker 4: the offensive line, invest in the defensive line.

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Speaker 3: It all starts up front on both sides.

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Speaker 4: You got a serviceable offense, you gotta plug in the

558
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Speaker 4: offensive line. You gotta fix the defense, and it starts

559
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Speaker 4: in the middle. I think that's what you gotta do.

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Speaker 4: You know, skill positions are great, but if you got

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Speaker 4: six seconds to throw, Kurt, you could you could find

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Speaker 4: somebody openly.

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Speaker 3: So that's just my opinion.

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Speaker 5: You know, money, it's and we talk about like I

565
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Speaker 5: get it. In the division. We talk about the Eagles

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Speaker 5: and Phil in the Washington a lot. But that's just

567
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Speaker 5: to get into the player, like, yeah, we'll be back,

568
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Speaker 5: the Vikings will be back healthy for nine ers, the Niners,

569
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Speaker 5: the Rams. I mean like there are teams. I mean,

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Speaker 5: like if you if you count Philly and in Washington,

571
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Speaker 5: that's six teams that you're looking up out and you're

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Speaker 5: saying today today, we aren't better than them. We aren't

573
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Speaker 5: better than the Vikings. We aren't better than the Lions,

574
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Speaker 5: we aren't better than the Niners.

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Speaker 3: We aren't better well Vegas. Vegas has the Cowboys fourth

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Speaker 3: in the division.

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Speaker 6: According to Kurt, they have them.

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Speaker 3: They have the Giants. They have the Giants above the Cowboys.

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Speaker 5: Vegas, You're the worst. You're not getting my money on

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Speaker 5: that one.

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Speaker 10: They have the Cowboys the fourth, not getting third.

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Speaker 5: If you just said third, see third day, you're not

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Speaker 5: getting nobody money. But when you put fourth and people

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Speaker 5: gonna start putting is it.

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Speaker 3: Fourth in the division or the conference?

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Speaker 9: Fourth, worst odds or biggest odds or whatever to make

587
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Speaker 9: the super Bowl in the conference, the only teams belong

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Speaker 9: are the Giants, Saints, and Pants.

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Speaker 3: Okay, they're about the Giants the division for the conference.

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Speaker 3: I misread that. Yeah, time about right, Saints Giants and

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Speaker 3: who else?

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Speaker 9: Saints, Giants, Panthers. So in their eyes, in the betting

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Speaker 9: world's eyes, the Cowboys are ranked twelfth in the conference

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Speaker 9: as of right now.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's take a lot. We're gonna we're gonna end

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Speaker 3: on a positive note. Let's take a break. It's just

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Speaker 3: win the super Bowl and.

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Speaker 6: And they're young, four guys break the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: and Eagles. Did anyone have a better Has anyone ever

660
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 4: had a better.

661
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: Twenty second birthday than Cooper dejene.

662
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 4: Twenty two won the Super Bowl. First career interception ever.

663
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: Was in the Super Bowl. Now he's probably like, this

664
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Speaker 3: is easy.

665
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: We will be here every year from now on, at

666
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 4: least two or three more times. I'll have a chance

667
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 4: to win this.

668
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: You know how hard it is.

669
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 6: Listens to twenty nine.

670
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Speaker 4: That was es.

671
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: What a start to a career for that kid. Huh

672
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: oh man. All right, Kurt, we got about eight minutes left.

673
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 3: What do you want to talk about.

674
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 4: We want to talk about Patrick Mackles, Patrick Mahone's dad

675
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 4: and John Rocker getting into it on Bourbon Street and

676
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 4: then Barstool immediately signing him to Rough and Rowdy. No,

677
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 4: did you know that? Apparently they've had beef since they're

678
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 4: playing days in uh Major League Baseball, And I don't know,

679
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 4: but Patrick Mahone's dad was outside of a bar and

680
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 4: John Rocker comes running out and they almost literally fight

681
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 4: in the street.

682
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 3: Somebody got in between them, and then Dave.

683
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 4: Portnoy on Barstool and now it's like two days later

684
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 4: they've signed them to their Rough and Rowdy series fights

685
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 4: and they got to.

686
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 5: I don't know if Pat you want to do that?

687
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: And he's not right. He's got that, he's got that

688
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: anger at him like.

689
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 7: One is uh curveball. He's right here trying to throw

690
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 7: something different. Cost of brave man get out of it.

691
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 6: Beat him up.

692
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 3: So go ahead, Kurt, Sorry I cut you off.

693
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 10: Why wasn't.

694
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 6: I got it, got it?

695
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 10: Okay, let me ask you this since Super Bowl related.

696
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 9: I think for the longest time, we've all thought that

697
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 9: Dak was still a better quarterback than Jail and her

698
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 9: kind of kind of the same styles in some ways.

699
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 9: But I don't know now if it's a healthy Dak

700
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 9: my camera healthy, still better than Jalen Hurst pass him.

701
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 5: No, if we just went player for player, give me Dak.

702
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 10: Me that surprised me.

703
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 6: I thought you'd have a different Dak is better thrower Jalen.

704
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 5: We all we said it earlier. Jalen had the better team.

705
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 5: He had the better team. He just didn't have His

706
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 5: only goal was don't mess this up. Don't mess it up,

707
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 5: don't fumble interception, don't just manage this. When they give

708
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 5: you the opportunity to make the throw, You're you're in

709
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 5: the NFL starting quarterback. If they're gonna go man the

710
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 5: man and Spig will try to have some crazy blitz

711
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 5: find number eleven, find advantae Smith and just throw it.

712
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 5: Just throw gobolls and they'll catch them. Just don't mess

713
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 5: this up.

714
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 3: So I don't.

715
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 5: I think if you put Dak in that situation, they

716
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 5: win that Super Bowl. You put Dak on that team

717
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 5: they won the Super Bowl. MRAVIVI jefse on this because

718
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 5: it'll make you think because he won. He won the biggest,

719
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 5: the biggest show on Earth. But if you know, before

720
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 5: going into that game, I said, you.

721
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 6: Know, man, it hurts. No. I kept saying the mind,

722
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 6: it hurts. No mess this up. I'm telling about it.

723
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 6: It's gonna come down to hurts.

724
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 7: Because even when we talked about the second game during

725
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 7: the regular season, when we talked about it, we had

726
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 7: four players.

727
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 6: Before we even mentioned Jaylor, and then we just say,

728
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 6: and Jalen hurts.

729
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 7: So even though what all this kid has went through

730
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 7: and he's came through it in flying colors, he did

731
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 7: not mess this game up. And it's okay to bild

732
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 7: bus drivel. It can get you an m v P

733
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 7: and they can make you one of the top guys

734
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 7: in the league.

735
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 9: What you think, Kurt, Well, now that you guys have

736
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 9: put it that way, they came around, Hey, it's okay

737
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 9: to have your own opinion.

738
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 4: Even though these guys played football. You can have a

739
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 4: conflicting opinion. It's totally fine. That's what they are their opinion.

740
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 4: They're like they're like buttholes. Everybody's got one. Nobody wants

741
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 4: to listen to it.

742
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, if you, But how about the dual threat factor.

743
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 9: I mean you're not getting that from Dak anymore. Where

744
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 9: Jalen had seventy two yard dressing in that But again

745
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 9: is that's still part of the team around.

746
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 5: But that was again that factor. It was like we're

747
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 5: gonna load up, We're gonna you're not gonna run Saquon,

748
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 5: and so we're gonna load the box. I'm not gonna

749
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 5: run Saquon. And then Jalen Hurst uses athleticism. Now, if

750
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 5: you now here's where Dak, Here's where the knot will

751
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 5: begin to come against Dak. If you're not a mobile

752
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 5: quarterback in today's football, it ain't You're done. Your team

753
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 5: won't have success. You won't have success. And I'm not

754
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 5: saying you got to be Michael Vicker Jayden Daniels. I'm

755
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 5: saying that you have to be a mobile quarterback. You

756
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 5: have to be willing to be able to move around

757
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 5: in the pocket and then when everything fails, tuck it

758
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 5: and go like you have to be able to do that.

759
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 5: Like the athleticism is there. Dak thirty two years old,

760
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 5: he's already had the ankle, he's now had the major.

761
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 5: So he had the major surgery in the ankle, major

762
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 5: surgery on the hamstring. I don't know where he's going

763
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 5: to be at athletically when it comes to what mentally

764
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 5: and physically going forward. And if we're talking about in

765
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 5: the trenches and you don't have an offensive line that's

766
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 5: going to be able to give you the time to

767
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 5: be able to stand in the pocket and deliver, then

768
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 5: you're looking you're looking at a very very difficult situation

769
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 5: because you're gonna you're gonna face teams now who have

770
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 5: who have built their programs defensively to go and stop

771
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 5: mobile quarterbacks. So if you're not able to move and

772
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 5: get away from defenders the Jordan Davis's of the world,

773
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 5: the Pains and and and and in Washington, the the A.

774
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 5: Hutchinson's when they come back and you know, all the

775
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 5: people that you have to deal with in this in

776
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 5: this division and conference, you're cooked.

777
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 4: Let me let me let me back you up a

778
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 4: little bit because because this is a question I have

779
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 4: because I don't disagree with that, but you said, if

780
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 4: you have to be a somewhat of a mobile quarterback

781
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 4: in this league now, right, unless you're saying, unless you're

782
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 4: somebody that's elite, like an elite.

783
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 6: Mobile.

784
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: But no, no, no, no, here's what I'm saying.

785
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 4: If Tom Brady and Peyton Manning played in this league

786
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 4: right now, are you saying they wouldn't be able to win?

787
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 5: No?

788
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 3: Really?

789
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 5: No?

790
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 10: Wow?

791
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: Tom Brady just won a Super Bowl two years ago. Yeah,

792
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 3: so the league changed that much since he won it? Really?

793
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 5: Yes?

794
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 9: Where does that say now for the Cowboys having a

795
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 9: quarterback that's not going to sure doesn't look like he's

796
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 9: going to give you that run threat.

797
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 5: It doesn't have to be the run threat. It just

798
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 5: has to be the willing gets seven when you need it,

799
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 5: the willingness to get eight, the willingness to do it

800
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 5: like that. That's like, that's the big thing. And let

801
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 5: me just say that like they would struggle, Peyton Manning

802
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 5: and Tom Brady would struggle in today's football. The ball

803
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 5: would have to come out extremely extremely quick.

804
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 7: And the way and the way they beat you then

805
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 7: is the way they'll beat you now because they beat

806
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 7: you mentally. They beat you mentally, And so I'm mad

807
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 7: to what Jesse saying. I agree that you're gonna have

808
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 7: to be mobile, especially going forward, gonna have to be mobile.

809
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 7: But unless you extremely intelligent with that football and in

810
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 7: reading these coverages, I mean extremely intelligent, because they advantished that.

811
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Speaker 7: These two guys you mentioned, when they walked to the line,

812
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 7: they automatically look at the automatically started eliminating.

813
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 5: Here, look at look at Peyton Manning went. Peyton Manning

814
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 5: won his last Super Bowl. Yeah, well he was getting

815
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 5: he was getting backpacked. Yeah, he was getting back Was

816
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 5: that fitch was that defense was hold? Yeah, he was

817
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 5: getting backpacked that last that last go around. And then

818
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 5: Tom he put together a great squad. They put together

819
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 5: a great squad in Tampa Bay and was like and yeah,

820
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 5: yeah he was. Yeah, you know at that time he

821
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 5: wasn't getting back Peyton Manning was nothinely getting backpacked, and

822
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 5: Tom Brady he was getting the ball out out of

823
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 5: his store.

824
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: Yes, well, he said. There was an interview. I'm sure,

825
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys saw it.

826
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 4: I don't remember what show it was on, but he

827
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 4: was talking about that last Super Bowl and he said,

828
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 4: what I where I excelled at and my hit my

829
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 4: superpower was I studied so much film before that Super Bowl.

830
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 4: He's like, I had two weeks of film study where

831
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 4: when guys walked to the line and they their body

832
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 4: language is a certain way. I knew where they were

833
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 4: going to be. He goes, And the advantage that I

834
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 4: had I got five guys in a route. I know

835
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 4: exactly where each one of them is going to be

836
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 4: at a certain time. And if I look at a

837
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 4: coverage and I know none of these guys are going

838
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 4: to be open, I don't run the play. He's like,

839
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 4: I check out or I call a time out. He's like,

840
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't go to the line, and he goes,

841
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 4: I know, Y like, I know exactly where my guys

842
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 4: are going to be, and I know who should be open,

843
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 4: and if there's a coverage that I go, wait a minute,

844
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 4: this this package and these routes aren't designed for that coverage.

845
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: I don't run the play. He was like, that's what.

846
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 3: That's where. So he even knew, like I don't have

847
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 3: the armstrength to zip it in somewhere.

848
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 6: He just mobilities, because that's brought it up.

849
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 7: The mobility is what made him start talking about what

850
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 7: what what what you're saying, Shannon, The bottom line is

851
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 7: when you have elite intelligence. Mike Irving like said, above

852
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 7: the neck intelligence when you got that right there and

853
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 7: you got a nice arm and just uh just no

854
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 7: parkt awareness. That's what we used to call it parket awareness.

855
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 7: Now it is the word mobility because if you can't

856
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 7: move out of the way of a Jaalen Carter are

857
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 7: these other guys? Are the guy from Cleveland, You're gonna

858
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 7: get smacked. You're gonna get what you called backpack. Tom

859
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 7: Brady and Peyton were those type guys. I've heard them

860
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 7: talk to Dion's boy about that same thing, and he

861
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 7: was telling him a couple of years ago. Uh, the

862
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 7: great guy who was on TV now, Tom Brady telling

863
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 7: him his son. Yeah, yeah, I know it was Peyton.

864
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 7: Excuse me, I'm going like you, it was Peyton, he said,

865
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 7: when I walked to the line, son, I'm on and

866
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 7: eliminated what routes can't work, And that goes to that's

867
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 7: a bad play. Coaches called a bad play. Let me

868
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 7: put them in a better position. And his receivers were smart.

869
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 7: That's why Ocho did not last. He did not last

870
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 7: with Tom Brady because he's like they played their first

871
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 7: game and he.

872
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 6: Came out of the game. Ain't called the past.

873
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 7: I'm like, man, I see what I see. I see

874
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 7: why y'all are so good. Yeah, you can't even run

875
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 7: a simple route brou because they gave a different look.

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Speaker 4: Bro.

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Speaker 7: When you're on that level right there, that that yes, yes,

878
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 7: well that's the level that Dock has to get you now.

879
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, he has to be receiver this his career because

880
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 5: he's never had the biggest harm. It's not never been

881
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 5: his talent, Like his talent has never been there. I

882
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 5: got this powerful arm. Now he has a throw his

883
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 5: team throws one of the best throws in the league. Yes,

884
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 5: he can throw that scene, but he has to now

885
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 5: be on the elite level of intelligence. What I'm like

886
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 5: to that point where Peyton and Tom are talking about

887
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 5: being able to come to the line of scrimmage. And

888
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 5: the thing that is full Dak Prescott in the past

889
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 5: is when he doesn't have a solid running game and

890
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 5: teams drop back and make him have to sift through coverage.

891
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 5: That has been the achilles Heel for Dak Prescott. That

892
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 5: the whole Vic Fangio blueprint is I'm gonna make you

893
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 5: have to read through seven and eight guys in coverage.

894
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 5: We ain't worried about sacking you. I'm just worried about

895
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 5: now letting you believe that you saw something that ain't

896
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 5: really there, and then when you throw it, gotcha. That's

897
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 5: where he has to now go. He has to go

898
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 5: now to where I am the most intelligent dude at

899
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage. Because I don't have the mobility anymore.

900
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 5: My offensive line may not be as great as it

901
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 5: once was. And unless the cowboy decide to go and

902
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 5: you know, bring in a high level number two receiver

903
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 5: to go with Ceedee Lamb. I'm throwing to Cede Lamb

904
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 5: and some maybies yea. So Dak gotta go, get to

905
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 5: go Busters.

906
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 6: We'll get dan Ackroyd, got all of gobc.

907
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 3: Well Marlow's story. We got some work to do it well.

908
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 7: We need to do the draft show. No no, no, no,

909
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 7: no reason, because we know what we want to get.

910
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 7: Office of devis allownement. So we just go get the

911
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 7: draft show over.

912
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 4: We only need about what ten first round picks. Shore

913
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 4: all this up and get him on, get him on

914
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 4: a budget, and they just maybe.

915
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 6: The trade everybody and just go first round crazy.

916
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: Just start over, start all rookie team.

917
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 4: That's what it's going to be anyway, all right, Nay,

918
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 4: good stuff, Jesse, good stuff, Kurk, good seeing you, Jazz,

919
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Speaker 4: thanks for keeping us.

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00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: On the air, Josh, thanks for keeping us company. Chris

921
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 3: enjoy vacation.

922
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 4: We will be back next Thursday, same time, same play.

923
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 3: What are we going to talk about next week?

924
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 5: Don't wear eagle shirt? Huh, we'll figure it out. Nothing's

925
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 5: the Cowboys. Somebody will say something. We didn't get into

926
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 5: the CD comment. We didn't get into the comment. The

927
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Speaker 5: new coaches, we didn't get into the bike comments.

928
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 6: What new coach? And he always been with us, I thought.

929
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 3: Means he's a new head coach. Okay, the promotion and

930
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 3: he hired a lot of new people, So he hired

931
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Speaker 3: a lot of new coaches.

932
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 7: Hope his new office line coach. Don't be scared to

933
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 7: start the best player? Awesome Richards.

934
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Speaker 3: All right, well, yeah, there will be something. There will

935
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Speaker 3: be something.

936
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 4: Do we make do the Cowboys take the thunder back

937
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 4: from the MAVs and make headlines within the next week

938
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 4: before the next show the same way?

939
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: But will something happen here that.

940
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 5: It always does?

941
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 6: Now? You never thought that herschel Walker trade would be beat.

942
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 3: All right, Tune in next week to see what that is.

943
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Speaker 3: Don't hang with the boys.

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