WEBVTT - Top 5 Denzel Washington Performances with W. Kamau Bell (Archive) 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:05.720 What kind of a show you guys. 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:06.360 Putting on here today? 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:08.879 You're not interested in Armed now? No, look, we're going 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:10.559 to do this thing. We're going to have a conversation. 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:17.239 Hey, film spotters, we have another archive drop in your 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:21.319 feed with our conversation, A long conversation, I think, a 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:27.000 fun conversation about Spike Lee and Denzel Washington's fifth collaboration 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:32.040 as director and actor, Higas to lois coming this Friday. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:36.400 We wanted to put our top five Denzel Washington performances 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.040 back in your feed. This is from twenty seventeen. We 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:44.840 had w Camal Bell on the show. Among the many 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:49.960 things that he does, Josh, he had a CNN show 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.840 Emmy nominated, The United Shades of America. He directed the 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.920 Peabody Award winning documentary We Need to Talk About Cosby, 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:02.480 And he had a podcast that ran a regularly between 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:05.760 twenty fifteen and twenty nineteen that was appropriately for our 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.679 purposes called Denzel Washington is the greatest actor of all 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:10.640 time period. 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:14.119 Great show, great guest, and looking back at my list, Adham, 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:18.959 I'll just say my number one pick my own eyebrow raised, 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:21.000 So I'll have to I'll have to give that a 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:24.480 fresh listen and see if I convince myself. Sometimes sometimes 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.639 that happens here on the show. So hopefully listeners will 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:32.880 enjoy a fresh here or maybe listening to again our 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:38.680 top five Denzel Washington performances. That's from May twenty seventeen. 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:42.320 And if you want access regular access whenever you want, 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:44.319 you want to dip into the archive and here shows 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.280 like this. That is a benefit of being a Film 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:50.440 Spotting Family member and you can learn more at Filmspottingfamily 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.240 dot com. Enjoy mister w Come Out Bell. Many of 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.760 you may know Bell for his politically charged stand up. 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.240 His new comedy album with semi Prominent Negro was just 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.480 released this week. He's also the host of CNN's United 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:04.640 Shades of America, which just got picked up for a 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.600 second season, not to mention his live monthly radio show 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.520 and the politically reactive podcast that he co hosts. But 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.400 the reason he's with us today is because he thinks 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.280 Denzel Washington is the greatest actor of all time period. 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.840 And we know this because he co hosts another podcast 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:22.120 called Denzel Washington is the Greatest Actor of All time period. 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:23.919 Come out, You are a very busy man. Thank you 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.400 so much. For taking time for us today. 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:28.200 Thank you. When you say it like that, I started 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:28.840 to get sleepy. 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.280 I bet it's a lot. How do you pull all 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:31.800 that off? 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:33.480 I mean I just sort of, you know. 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:35.400 I think it's a fond option of after I had 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.320 I had another TV show Totally Biased, where I was 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:39.399 like there for like twelve and fifteen hours a day, 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:41.679 and then when that was over, I was like, I 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:43.280 don't want to ever have to commit that much time 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:44.640 to one project ever again. 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:46.840 I would like to do lots of things that take 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:47.800 up a little bit of time. 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.160 Well, that's good. Here, I got another one for you. Okay, 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:53.240 can you add a fourth podcast? I want you to 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.200 do something on the Forest Gump sequel, the one that 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.840 you speculated about in one of your early episodes when 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.880 that finally comes out. I just wanted to do episodes 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.000 catalog in that movie. Can you do that for me? 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.080 I think I'll have to get rid of another podcast 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.960 where I add another podcast. I'm always like going, I 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.080 could do a podcast about this, and I look at 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:13.440 my wife. 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:16.639 You can't exactly. I'm always coming with more ideas. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.040 I mean, you know, so it's a but yeah, certainly 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:20.720 I think there's more podcasts in my future. I just 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:22.720 think I'm gonna have to suspend some while I would 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:23.040 I share. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:25.240 Sure, that's a that's a sound move. 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.480 So when we announced that we were going to do 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.040 this look back at Denzel Washington's career tied in with 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.680 a magnificent seven review, we heard from a lot of 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.200 people on social media saying, you got to get come 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.360 out bell On, you got to get someone from that 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.160 show to talk about Denzel Washington. And the good part 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.320 was we were way ahead of those den Zel It's 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.840 we had already reached out to you. So we are 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.080 very excited to have you on and that that term 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.880 den Zelot. All of our best ideas come from our listeners. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.000 Did you coin that expression or is that a pre 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:55.880 existing thing that you latched onto? 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:56.960 No, it wasn't. 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.040 It didn't exist. We sort of, I mean I came 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.360 up with the title. I'll take credit for that. I'm 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.840 a big fan of like crazy long titles, like my 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:05.480 new We just announced that I have a book coming 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:07.520 out that also is a crazy long title. I just think, 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.640 as everybody else, every other podcast and title has gotten shorter. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.480 For example, like Cereal is number one podcast, but you 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.000 have no idea. What that's about when you just say 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:18.000 I'm listening to Cereal, so I just feel like I 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:19.920 just want a podcast. It's very clear what it is, 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.040 so that you know what you're getting into. But then 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.320 it was actually me and Kevin Avery. We both we 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.279 actually shared it's going to be so much more boring. 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.720 We shared the same comedy manager for a while and 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:30.240 she was the one who's like, you should call your 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.040 people Denzel Itz, and we were like, thank you, comedy manager. 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.359 This is the very rare time our comedy manager actually 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:40.840 has a good idea. So no offense every comedy manager, 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.680 but she, Carrie Smith, she was like that, and so 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.000 that's where it came from. So but you know, since then, 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:47.880 the Denzels have come up with lots of things that 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:49.360 have been incorporated into the podcast. 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.360 So the basic idea for the show when you set 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.479 out at the very beginning, you know, just go through 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:58.360 Denzel's films, talk about all these performances. Has that vision 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.120 been pretty much a compl as you're approaching i think 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.599 almost one hundred shows now or has it changed a 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.880 little bit along the way, And basically, what does it feel. 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:07.640 Like to do this now? 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:09.440 This many episodes in I. 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.919 Mean, I think it really started to shift really early on. 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.360 The idea is that we were review every Denzel Washington 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.240 movie and therefore approved that he was a greatest actor 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:17.000 of all time period. 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:18.200 But very early on. 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.480 We started people reaching out to us because Denzel is 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.680 an icon and also a very unique icon. 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.080 Tom Hanks is also an icon, but. 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.560 There's other white guys, like, you know, there's like, you know, 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:33.320 if Tom Hanks walks into a room and the other 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:35.440 side of the room, like George Clooney walks in the room, 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.560 we got two guys, two icons in the room. But 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.880 Denzel's sort of singular in that in that there's not 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.200 another actor of his era that holds a similar space. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.560 I mean, Samuel Jackson's great, Morgan Freeman is great, but 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:47.760 he's kind of the king, you know. Yeah, And so 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.039 I think that, like very early on, we people started 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:51.960 coming into that. But then it also very quickly turned 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.800 into a thing that was just generally about diversity in Hollywood. 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.000 You know, at the time we started doing the podcast, 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.880 like Oscar so White kicked up again, right, we also 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.839 are talking about like they're also Project green Light. The 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.239 season of Project green Light had all that weirdness around 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.800 diversity and Effie Brown going when Matt Damian was like, 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.440 diversity is on camera, not behind the camera. And I 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:11.920 was a big fan of that show, and Kevin's a 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:13.200 big fan of Matt Damon, So we had to have 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.600 a lot of debates about that, and I mean, I 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.840 think one of the greatest things that the show has 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.640 done is that, you know, we talked to Ryan Coogler. 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.280 Now he's obviously he's the director of a Rocky Now 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:24.960 we talked about his favorite denselboes, but it was a 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.160 really in depth discussion about creed like and luckily, our 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:30.320 fans have grown with that and there and they like that. 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:32.240 So we find that we don't actually have to do 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.239 an episode that's even fifty percent Denzel for our fans 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.120 to keep up with it, because Denzel just sort of 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:38.960 turns through a discussion about diversity in general. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:39.320 Yeah. 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.839 No, that's really interesting how it's evolved to that. So 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.599 we are going to get to your top five Denzel 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:48.400 Washington performances, which I imagine was incredibly difficult considering how 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.200 big of a fan you are and considering how many 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.279 great performances he has given a little bit of set 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.599 up here and if I got any of these numbers wrong. 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.200 I'm sure someone out there will correct me. I looked 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:03.680 at his IMDb page, counted forty four feature film credits. 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:05.920 Of those, I've seen twenty six of them, so I 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:07.640 don't know how good that is or not. I don't 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:08.880 know if you've seen all of them or not. Come 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:10.920 out you can tell us, but I've seen twenty six 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:11.200 of those. 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:11.720 Forty four. 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.640 He's made five with Tony Scott the director he's worked 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.720 with the most, Spike Lee four times, Antoine Fuqua now 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.680 three times, ed Zwick three times. He of course, has 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.600 won two Oscars. And I got this from the five 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.480 thirty eight dot com article speaking of those think pieces 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.240 come out the four types of Denzel Washington movies. They 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.960 have him ranked twenty ninth all time in terms of 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.840 box office. His films have made over two point two 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.480 billion dollars domestically. So just a little bit of background there. 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.960 Let's actually go ahead and get to your picks. And 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.720 how did you even begin to come up with your list? 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:45.360 Well, we talked about this in the podcast. 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.240 I actually learned this from people coming on the podcast, 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.160 because some people we make everybody come on and say, 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:51.600 what are your top five favorite Denzel Washington movies, and 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.720 very quickly people were like, do you mean favorite performances 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.480 or favorite movies? Like there this sort of like split 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.480 between a Denzel Washington movie I enjoy or performance that 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:04.760 I think is transformative and relevatory. And I never hadn't 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:06.600 thought of it that way. So only through other people 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.040 coming to the podcast, you like Dave Ziron, who's the 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.600 great political sports reporter, came on with two lists and 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:13.240 now that's a pretty common thing for people to do that. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.960 And or Ryan Kugler, we call it cooglering, who would 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:17.720 have like tied for number five. 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.920 Is four movies I can relate that happens on this show. 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.440 Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah it's called cooglering. 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.200 Okay, so yeah, so for me, like my favorite movies 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:28.400 are pretty different than this list. 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.280 Of my favorite performance Okay really. 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.360 Uh yeah, no there's only one, well there's two, I 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.199 guess it's I mean, that's not great, but yeah there's 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.400 three on here that I would have a couple I 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.120 would have put on my list of favorite movies. But 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.400 then later through doing the pod, because I'm like, I'm 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.640 just saying that so I sound smart, It's that actually true? 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.120 Yeah, Well, just to jump in real quick, I'm curious 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.320 because we may sprinkle in our choices. I know we 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.040 did come up with our top five as well. Josh, 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.880 did you end up in a similar place or are 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.560 you like me and kind of have your five favorite 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.839 Denzel movies that also happen to correspond with your favorite performances. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.360 I went with performances. But for me, the tough thing 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.320 was we have a poll going on right now between 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:08.400 best Denzel performance or another poll asking for your favorite. 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:10.040 So this is a whole other can of worms come 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.400 out that you can get into. And so I got 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:14.920 turned around in that a little bit, which has been 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:15.400 really tough. 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.320 Yeah, and we are going to get to those results later, 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:18.959 but I guess I'll give a little bit of a 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.319 spoiler a good example there. I think I don't have 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.400 him in front of me, but Malcolm X, I think 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:27.320 one for best performance, but Training Day wins for favorite, right, 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:29.840 And there is a big distinction between those two performers. 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:31.800 That's exactly what I'm talking about. 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:33.840 Like people, there's a sense that we talked about this 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:35.800 in the podcast, there's a sense black people really like 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.559 to not like Training Day because, like you know, he's 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:42.680 just playing a bad cop, but you cannot deny the 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.000 immense fun it is to watch him in. 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:46.720 That performance totally. 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:48.960 You know, you can sort of get on your high 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:50.400 horse and go, I don't think it's good that you 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:52.199 want to Oscar for that, And that's also a discussion 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.560 we can have. But I'm somebody who came around to 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:56.160 that and be like, this is just a good I mean, 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.240 it's like he is so he chews up every bit 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.000 of scenery and it's so fun to see an actor 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.280 like that get the be allowed to sort of just 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.880 run all over the screen. It's like, whereas Malcolm X, 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.080 he literally does the right thing. Yeah, pun and it's 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.880 a great performance. But it's like, if, honestly, I think 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.120 I always think of it this way, if there's two TVs, 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.040 or on one TV, there's two different movies playing Malcolm 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.000 X to Training Day, that's how you figure out your 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:21.880 favorite the one. You go, well, I gotta go watch this, 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:23.560 and I I'd watch a little bit of Malcolm X. 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.640 Eventually I can get the Training Day before. He says, 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:26.280 King talking. 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:28.319 Exactly. 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.880 Okay, so did either of those make your top five? 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:31.640 Then both of them? 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:33.760 Maybe? No? We talked about again. So this is top 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:34.560 five performances. 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:35.719 That's right, performances. 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:39.760 So number five, I'm going to say Hurricane. 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.120 Okay, Hurricane is I used to be one of my 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:43.960 favorite movies, but if you watch the movie, it's a 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.600 little bit heavy handed. And they also have to cover 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:47.960 a lot of time, and so it's just that thing 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.320 where movies have to cover a lot of time, they 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.760 sort of like things sort of get attenuated. But that 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.000 movie did bring me to read about Ruben Hurricane Carter 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:54.360 a lot. 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:54.520 So. 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:56.840 But his performance in that movie, the fact that he 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:58.800 plays a guy from like eighteen to like I don't 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:02.240 know sixty, and it's not totally unbelievable, and in fact, 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.800 he was forty five years old and ripped in the 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.160 boxing scenes. Yeah, and it has a classic Denza watching line, 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:09.720 I'm fifty. 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:17.080 Years old, the quivering lift everything. Yeah, fifty years old. 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.920 I've been blocked up for thirty years. 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.280 It's funny about that movie because in that poll question 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.520 that we're referencing, we gave like the top six answers 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.360 we thought would be the most common and we didn't 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.480 list Hurricane among them, And then we had other where 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:38.120 people could write in and Hurricane scarcely got mentioned. Do 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.559 you think that there is a valid reason or any 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.120 reason that you can come up with why that movie 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.480 for some reason just hasn't held the same esteem over 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:46.959 time since it came out. 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:48.040 I mean, I think it has. 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.760 The biopic problem that, like, you know, it's hard to 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:52.800 sort of like when you really need to cover a 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.000 person's whole life, it's hard to do a great job 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:56.679 with that, or a thorough job with that, Like you know, 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.840 every biopick should actually be like a season of television 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.439 where it's like, you know, instead of like cramming all it. 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:04.480 Also, I think it got a lot of heat at 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:04.880 the time. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:06.440 I remember that, yeah, because. 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:07.840 They played a little fast and loose with some of 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.680 the facts, which I felt like, do we all see 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:14.000 a beautiful mind? Was that guy like like a positive reprobate, 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.800 like you know exactly, but the movie he's. 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:17.720 Just a crazy match genius. 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.560 I feel like that was to me like a little 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.880 bit of of institutionalized racism, where like, oh, so this 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.520 black guy gets heat for playing fast and loose and 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.200 then not as fast loose as the facts as other 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:28.400 biopics do regularly. 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:30.040 So I think it's sort of. 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.240 That affected it and also I think it's a little 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.280 bit like if you want to watch Hurricane, you might 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.240 as well watch Malcolm X because it's basically a better 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:38.160 version of that movie. 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:39.440 You know, it's a black guy. 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.760 Well, he has been in a number biopick, so you know, 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.800 maybe once those start getting ranked in people's minds, Hurricane 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:45.720 falls to the bottom. 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:46.680 Yeah, might be. 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.199 I just think Hurricane is not really he's great in it. 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:49.480 It's not. 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.079 I mean, I said this very it's not a ton 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.360 of fun like I think. So it's not like like 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:57.000 Malcolm X, even though it's tragic, seeing him be Malcolm 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.400 X is fun. It's just it's amazing and you're like, oh, 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:01.720 this is one of the greatest things I've ever seen. 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.120 So Hurricane is great, but I think it doesn't It 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.440 maybe doesn't age as well as these other ones. But 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:08.440 his performance is absolutely top notch. 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.080 Yeah, a clear one there. As you were saying that 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.360 would fit here into your top five. Performance has been 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.960 not your top five Denzel movies. What about your number four? 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.480 My number four, I'm going to say a Soldier story. 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:19.000 Love it. 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.280 Yeah, Soldier story is like the first I think, I mean, 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.320 maybe he did maybe he did the carbon copy movie first, 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.480 but we don't really count that, ye, But yeah, Soldier 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.719 story is really like a great movie because it's a 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:33.840 murder mystery and Denzel starts out being what you would 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.240 think is like, Oh, this guy's got nothing, and then 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.240 eventually the reveal, it's like, oh, this guy's got a 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.560 lot more than I expected, you know, no spoilers. And 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.920 I think that, like, it's sort of interesting that he 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.319 ended up being such a leading man because it's really 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.600 a that is a really character performance, Like it's not 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.360 dominated by him being like the best looking, handsome guy, 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.240 Like he's sort of a he's sort of a nerd 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:53.920 for lack of a better word. He's wearing glasses and 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.559 he sort of thought as like not being really worthy 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.280 of anyone's respect in a movie. 0:13:58.360 --> 0:13:59.640 Yeah, where are you from? 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:04.160 Peter's Hollywood, California by way of Alabama. 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.160 So you see, I enlisted in forty two. 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:08.720 I thought we'd get a chance to fight. 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.080 So did you know the sergeant? 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.280 Well, no, son, he was already with the company when 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.959 I got a sign and pfc's and sergeants we don't 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:17.560 mix too well. 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:19.760 So you played both for him? 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.040 Oh yes, sir, I played shots though, and did you 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.520 like the sergeant, no, sir, you see where it goes 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.440 back to the team. So stone ass felt the stone ass. 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:31.680 But I'm the only one who called him now, So 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:35.480 sergeant water soon didn't mean no offense. 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.200 Leading actors don't normally start out that way. They normally 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:40.800 start out as leading, you know, it's like it's a 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.320 real character role. Later he would have been cast in 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:44.920 the role that Howard Robbs would have played if they'd 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:45.440 done that movie. 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:45.680 Again. 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.720 Well, it's right, he kind of is encourage under fire, right, Yeah. 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:49.800 Yeah, he does the same thing. 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:51.680 So I think it's really a testament to the fact 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.720 that we've sometimes in the modern era, we forget that 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.040 Denzel if he was less good looking, he would have 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:58.120 been a great character actor. 0:14:58.880 --> 0:14:59.640 That's absolutely right. 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:00.760 Yeah, he's too. 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:02.720 Good looking, too tall, too good looking to be a 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.760 character actor. And also I think that he actually was 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:07.920 in a soldier's play, which is why he played the 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:09.760 same role in the movie. He was in the soldier's play, 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:11.720 And we had David Allen Greer on the podcast, who 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.160 was also in a soldier's play that also starred Samuel Jackson. 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.840 Was also in that play in New York and told 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.640 great stories of like actors in the late seventies and 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.360 early eighties, those guys all being in a play together. 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:24.120 Amazing. 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.520 Yeah, that movie is one. It came out in eighty four. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.600 I was nine or ten years old then, and I 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:30.880 watched it all the time. For some reason, I think 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.400 my dad exposed me to it and I became obsessed 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.280 with it because it would be on HBO all the time, 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.640 and so I would just see it constantly. And I 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.120 do remember him very vividly from that film. And then 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:41.880 I remember getting into high school my senior year and 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.520 having to write a paper for an English class on 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.040 the Melville short story Billy Bud that was made into 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.000 a movie in the sixties with Peter Yusunoff, and that's 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:53.160 basically a soldier story, is basically Billy Bud, but set 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.160 obviously in the army. So yeah, and I love that 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:57.920 movie in that book too. So that's one that has 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:59.840 always stuck with me. 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