Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club flowing out of the backfield,
Speaker 1: flooding down the sidelines. He's hanging with the Boys, broadcasting
Speaker 1: live from Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 1: Now your host, Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, and Shannon Gross.
Speaker 1: Friday Friday, thank god, the Friday before Christmas. Gotta like that.
Speaker 1: And our little elf is not with us today. Christmas Looney,
Speaker 1: Christmas Looney, and Christmas Nate. What is Nate doing? Nate
Speaker 1: has a has an engagement. We have about forty five
Speaker 1: guests from American Airlines, American Airlines employees in the building,
Speaker 1: and they went on a tour and then they went
Speaker 1: to Ford Center and some of the practice suites over
Speaker 1: there and got to watch practice and got to eat lunch,
Speaker 1: and then got to hang out with Nate for a
Speaker 1: couple hours. So he's over there entertaining and talking football
Speaker 1: and answering questions and yeah, just hanging out and sold
Speaker 1: us out today, brought us sold us out today. He
Speaker 1: had big plans, but you're stuck with me and Kurt.
Speaker 1: But hearing about probably twenty minutes ish. Ten minutes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're ten minutes. We're gonna have Tom Robinson on. We
Speaker 1: don't really know what his title is, but we do
Speaker 1: know I like Douglas's title for him. What was that, Douglas? Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: Mick Wizard, I know we don't have anybody today, come
Speaker 1: on here if you want. Ye see, nobody wants to
Speaker 1: hang out with us with MAT's not here. So Tom
Speaker 1: will be in and a football analytics guy. And I'm
Speaker 1: actually really interested because I know I've known Tom for
Speaker 1: a long time. He actually started out I believe, over
Speaker 1: in DCM and it whenever I was I think, I
Speaker 1: think so, I think that's where I know him from.
Speaker 1: So he's been around for a while. And then he
Speaker 1: now runs the whole analytics operation for the team, and
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see like what they're able to track
Speaker 1: and what they're doing with that information, and how are
Speaker 1: they sharing it across the league or how all that
Speaker 1: stuff works out. So it's pretty pretty top secret info,
Speaker 1: some of that stuff, I bet it is. I'm wondering
Speaker 1: how much he's gonna be able to tell us. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be really interesting. I feel kind of bad because
Speaker 1: I've I've seen. I had never placed the name. I
Speaker 1: don't know Tom very, I don't know him at all,
Speaker 1: so if he walks in here, you don't well see,
Speaker 1: I think I figured out. I've seen this guy walking
Speaker 1: around who I didn't know who was, and I've heard
Speaker 1: the name Tom, and I think I finally put the
Speaker 1: name with the face and so um tall skinny guy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I actually walked by him yesterday and oh he was
Speaker 1: with Chris and I looked at him. I think I
Speaker 1: think that's Tom. But I'm looking forward to hearing the
Speaker 1: story there. Yeah, so cool. So we will have him
Speaker 1: here in a little bit. In the meantime, we need
Speaker 1: your help because we have no poss we have no Nate.
Speaker 1: It's just me and Kurt and we're not that interesting.
Speaker 1: So we need your phone calls. So we already have
Speaker 1: one phone caller already. Welcome to the show, good friend
Speaker 1: of the show. By the way, Jay and Rhode, I yes, Hey,
Speaker 1: what's the fellas. I am so glad that I got
Speaker 1: through today because I wanted to wish you personally a
Speaker 1: very merry Christmas, and I want to thank you for
Speaker 1: all the love guys have shown me over the past
Speaker 1: couple of years. Well, thank you, Jay, thank you for
Speaker 1: calling in. We're glad you got through too, man, MS
Speaker 1: pans you got big Christmas plans? Uh No, not really
Speaker 1: eat me either, Jay. I'm just gonna sit on my
Speaker 1: couch and play video games all day. I'm gonna order
Speaker 1: I'm gonna order a big pizza the night before, eat
Speaker 1: half of it, and save half of it for Christmas
Speaker 1: Day because nothing's open. Yeah, you know, I accuse my
Speaker 1: friends very carefully, and you know, you know, I have
Speaker 1: a small family, so you know, I told my mother,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, go go with your friends. You know,
Speaker 1: I have big plans. She doesn't listen to the show.
Speaker 1: She doesn't even know how to use Twitter, so it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. She won't hear this. You know. Yeah, my
Speaker 1: everything's pool don't worry about it, you know. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: keep a brave face. But you know what, guys, everything's
Speaker 1: gonna be pooled this week. Last week, I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 1: I didn't even try to get through last week because
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just had a bad feeling about
Speaker 1: the game. I didn't have a good gut feeling, you know.
Speaker 1: But this week I have a good gut feeling We're
Speaker 1: gonna take care of business this week. We're gonna win
Speaker 1: the divisions because I noticed details. And at the end
Speaker 1: of that game last week, what I noticed is when
Speaker 1: we lost and the player started shaking hands, there was
Speaker 1: no smiling. Everybody looked like they were ready to kill somebody.
Speaker 1: Everybody was mad. Okay, as opposed to other teams they
Speaker 1: lose a game. Yeah, yeah, they're all smiling this, that
Speaker 1: and the other. You know, you know how they do
Speaker 1: up with powboys. Unless I miss something, they weren't smiling. Okay.
Speaker 1: I like that DeMarcus Lawrence's quote. They got hit in
Speaker 1: the mouth, they're ready to hit the opponent in the mouth. Now, Well,
Speaker 1: that's what you know. That's what toughness is. Toughness is
Speaker 1: not defined by how much of a beating you can
Speaker 1: this show. Toughness is defined by how much of a
Speaker 1: beating you can take and if you can bounce back
Speaker 1: up off the mat when it happens, whether the ball
Speaker 1: or life. Okay, we're gonna take care of business this week.
Speaker 1: I have my good gut feeling. I just know that
Speaker 1: it's coming. And there's also a very special girl coming
Speaker 1: to the scheme. Her name is Lowa. You know who
Speaker 1: Loa is. We do not, of course you don't. It's
Speaker 1: a rhetorical question. Lola is the law of averages? Now,
Speaker 1: unless I miss my guess, we haven't scored on defense
Speaker 1: since last year at Washington. Okay, we are so overdue.
Speaker 1: How you know our defense has been strong? How we
Speaker 1: have not gotten the ball that's been tipped and we've
Speaker 1: run it into the end zone, or how a fumble
Speaker 1: just hasn't come our way at the opponent's twenty and
Speaker 1: we walk in that. You know that that will happen
Speaker 1: this week. I mean, because dance is good for those
Speaker 1: and the guys are all business and you know Dak,
Speaker 1: you know, we're all you know, he's a guy with
Speaker 1: a lot of fortitude, you know. And last week the
Speaker 1: game and just it just it's just there's no such
Speaker 1: thing as a good loss. But it does help you
Speaker 1: to refocus, especially if he played the game. You know,
Speaker 1: you do get a little copy because it's happened to me,
Speaker 1: you know. But everything's gonna be fine this week. Guys.
Speaker 1: I don't want to take up all your time. You
Speaker 1: already did, Jay, he took up We gotta go. The
Speaker 1: podcast is over all, right, I love you guys, brother
Speaker 1: Christmas love you too. Man. Thanks for calling. We win
Speaker 1: this week. I will call up next week and sing
Speaker 1: amri the right way? All right, all right, I hold
Speaker 1: you to it. All right, Jay, have a good one.
Speaker 1: You worried about this game, Kirk? You know, I guess
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be because seven and a half point spread?
Speaker 1: Is it? Seven? I thought it was higher than that. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're big favorites. And that bothers me, does it? Because
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a closer game than than
Speaker 1: seven and a half. Yeah, that Tampa's defense is just
Speaker 1: so bad. I guess my worry is if if we
Speaker 1: have to outscore them, you know, if we if we
Speaker 1: have to put up thirty points too, right, you know,
Speaker 1: can you keep up? They get it if they get
Speaker 1: a lead on you, you know, they they're I think
Speaker 1: we talked yesterday about it. They put up a lot
Speaker 1: of points even in losses, but they haven't the last
Speaker 1: two games. They faced New Orleans and Baltimore. Both teams
Speaker 1: have pretty good defenses, and they didn't do much against them.
Speaker 1: So hopefully that continues and our defense steps up and
Speaker 1: takes care of business. Yeah, Chris and Connecticut. What's up, buddy,
Speaker 1: Hey guys, how you doing great? How are you? I'm
Speaker 1: doing pretty well. I want to wish you guys are
Speaker 1: very merry Christmas, Happy New Years and all that kind
Speaker 1: of jazz. Yes, Sarah, you too. Hey. Um, I guess
Speaker 1: I was first of all I wanted to say the
Speaker 1: other day I called in and made the comment about
Speaker 1: it's not rocket science, and I didn't want to implay
Speaker 1: it's not a complicated game. I just meant, not rocket science.
Speaker 1: You should use zeke. That's it. No point, hey, point
Speaker 1: was well taken. Nate talked about that for two days
Speaker 1: after that. He was like, man, that dude just just simple,
Speaker 1: just like simplified everything. It's not that hard. So hey,
Speaker 1: give it a try, right, that's right, that's right. Hey, Hey,
Speaker 1: I guess my question I had a question for you guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, um, you know, my worst nightmare, even before
Speaker 1: the Indidiapolis scheme, is thinking that we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: go into New York or they're gonna have to go
Speaker 1: into New York and win it to get in. And uh,
Speaker 1: I'm a little nervous about the defensive performance, you know,
Speaker 1: starting in the fourth quarter against Philly, it's been five
Speaker 1: really bad quarters. Do you think there's something there or
Speaker 1: or or was just a complete they were due to
Speaker 1: just due to have a bad game. I personally think
Speaker 1: they just got the crap beat out of them. They
Speaker 1: got they got overmatched. There's it's just like boxing or UFC.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just sometimes it's a bad matchup for your team.
Speaker 1: And I think Indie was just a terrible matchup, especially
Speaker 1: with the injuries they have. They I think they just
Speaker 1: got it was just a butt kicking. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I think the intensity just wasn't quite there. They were
Speaker 1: riding that five game streak and Indie's backs against the wall.
Speaker 1: They've got to win and get in for sure, we
Speaker 1: kind of had a game to play with. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I just don't think they matched intensity, especially, I mean
Speaker 1: the first half was closed, but when Colts came out
Speaker 1: and over right down the field to open the third up,
Speaker 1: it was done. Yeah. And you know, if I know
Speaker 1: anything about who is this? Who is this? Rod Marinelli?
Speaker 1: Who is this? This is Taylor Stern. Taylor Stern, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. Welcome, How are you guys for having me?
Speaker 1: Douglas No applause for Taylor. Wow, I was. I was
Speaker 1: looking for the tay what drop and I couldn't find.
Speaker 1: But what the name Chris from Connecticut, Chris from Connecticut.
Speaker 1: I will let you know that Rod Marinelli is one
Speaker 1: of the most intense guys on the planet Earth. You know,
Speaker 1: non bet and I know that he's probably getting the
Speaker 1: Marinelli Madness video like you have never because they're playing
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay this weekend. That is the team that he
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. That is his squad that he
Speaker 1: knows he has to win again. Tell everyone and Chris
Speaker 1: what what marion Ellie Madness is For those that don't know, Yes,
Speaker 1: Marionelli Madness is a video feature that he shows to
Speaker 1: the team, the defensive guys on Saturday nights before the game.
Speaker 1: It is graphic, it's insane, it's insane, wild crazy, probably
Speaker 1: against Peter standards. And yeah, national geographic footage, yeah, it's right,
Speaker 1: really horrid national geographic footage with Pete with with player
Speaker 1: human heads on animals and like things like that. Very
Speaker 1: Grifins nickname started from that used to have people like
Speaker 1: he would literally ask for highlights of orphans digging up ditches. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was and it's and it's it fires the players up.
Speaker 1: They love it. It's it's awesome, and he really puts
Speaker 1: time and energy into it. Works with one of our
Speaker 1: video editors here to like give feedback and do different things.
Speaker 1: So it's it's pretty awesome. One time I watched it
Speaker 1: with him too, and you'd think that normal people would
Speaker 1: be laughing and kind of like thinking like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is crazy. He gets so intense into it. He's like
Speaker 1: and this is you know, I'm looking at my guy. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say Antoine Wood's real nick name
Speaker 1: on here, but yeah, yeah, he's very similar to Nick Hayden's. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you remember a few years ago. Yeah, So so
Speaker 1: there you go, Chris, I think he's here. I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Thanks for Thanks for that. You're making me feel a
Speaker 1: little bit better. Their Taylor, do you what do you
Speaker 1: think is gonna happen Sunday? We're winning? Uh? You know,
Speaker 1: I'm really nervous for some reason about this game. I
Speaker 1: don't you know, I really don't know. I can't figure
Speaker 1: this team out for the life of me. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm really nervous that they're gonna have to go and
Speaker 1: Washington to New York. I do not want that to happen. Man,
Speaker 1: that is not a good scenario. So thank you man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: us too, Thanks Chris. Alright, man, have a good holiday.
Speaker 1: Marionelli had a quote yesterday saying that how do you
Speaker 1: fix this? You practice with the same intensity bring to
Speaker 1: the game. I wondered if I haven't been out to practice,
Speaker 1: but I wondered if they Well, I heard that pads.
Speaker 1: I heard last week they had like a great practice
Speaker 1: week and that. But then I know, but then sometimes
Speaker 1: like that will affect you in the game because you'll
Speaker 1: be a little bit overconfident instead of the feeling of
Speaker 1: like I need to really come out and bring it
Speaker 1: my best, where you're like, god, I've been crushing it
Speaker 1: this week. If you watch the Amazon All or Nothing
Speaker 1: the week before the Atlanta game, the old line's just
Speaker 1: killing it in practice. They're just slaying it. I know
Speaker 1: we've got Tom coming on here, but yeah, sometimes that
Speaker 1: doesn't Are you sticking around or you gotta run? I
Speaker 1: can stick I can hang around, hang around with Tom.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and when we come back.
Speaker 1: We've got Tom Robins. What's your title exactly? Tom, Director
Speaker 1: of Football Research. We just called you sports football analytics guys.
Speaker 1: What we did Analytics Wizard, Analytics Wizard. All right, we
Speaker 1: will be right back and we'll have Tom Robinson on
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Speaker 1: time to wrap up this NFC East. Put all these
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Speaker 1: Get that bread? Biscuit one something biscuit? Uh? I don't
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Speaker 1: thanks for that. Receive you this week? Who was that? Huh?
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Speaker 1: it simple. Speaking of getting that bread, tom Welcome to
Speaker 1: the show man, Hollo. There's our all right, all right,
Speaker 1: So give us a little bit of background. You've been around,
Speaker 1: how you've been with the organization. So I've been with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys dating back to two thousand and I think
Speaker 1: tellousand nine. Okay, so you've been around a while. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I came on board around the time that m
Speaker 1: AT and T Stadium it is under construction, okay, And
Speaker 1: initially worked with the team as a consultant and worked
Speaker 1: on a number of projects related to the to the
Speaker 1: opening of the stadium, and then kind of came came
Speaker 1: on board full time about m after a year into
Speaker 1: the stadium being open, okay, and then kind of moved
Speaker 1: into my current role on the football side. I think
Speaker 1: this is my fifth season. How did you go from it?
Speaker 1: Sounded like you were Wait, let's preface the whole conversation. First.
Speaker 1: We we don't really know what Tom does. We know
Speaker 1: what he does, but we don't really know how in depth.
Speaker 1: So we're going to ask him a bunch of questions
Speaker 1: that we probably shouldn't ask. Yeah, we are, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna tell us, Hey, no, I can't answer that, or
Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable answering that, or I'm not telling you.
Speaker 1: So Tom, you just you keep us at arms linked
Speaker 1: where you need to. Don't feel bad about telling us
Speaker 1: you can't answer before we ask those I'll just say
Speaker 1: my first impression of Tom where I first felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, who is this mystery man?
Speaker 1: Is really a training camp because you know, you guys
Speaker 1: have both been out there. You go to training he
Speaker 1: sits at his little table and it's like it's a
Speaker 1: special table if you would, because there's no seats or
Speaker 1: anything around the end zones of training camp fields. And
Speaker 1: Tom's got the setup. He's got the laptop of the
Speaker 1: little tower. Yeah, you know that something important is Happenings
Speaker 1: are really green today, Thank you Shannon. They really, they're
Speaker 1: like popping out of your m Thank you Christmas. Eve.
Speaker 1: What a nice boss he is. That's when I was like,
Speaker 1: who is Tom? You know what I'm talking about? It's
Speaker 1: like something is happening there. Well never he looks really important.
Speaker 1: This guy matters. Yes, all right, Kurt, sorry to stop
Speaker 1: you down. Well what was your question? I actually feel
Speaker 1: bad too, because I've seen Tom around everywhere. I've never
Speaker 1: actually really met him. I've heard the name, I've seen him.
Speaker 1: I never this first time I've had a chance to
Speaker 1: kind of put the name with the face. Kurt, this
Speaker 1: is Tom. This is Kurt. Apologize for not introducing myself. Look,
Speaker 1: ye started to come down here with us again, get
Speaker 1: your headset on there. Have you met Tom before? This
Speaker 1: is Tom, Tom, this is me. We got one guy
Speaker 1: in here him. So how did you get sound like
Speaker 1: you're basically an it guy? How did you transition into
Speaker 1: becoming sort of this football analytics really in depth kind
Speaker 1: of stuff for the for the football department. Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So my my background kind of both educationally and professionally
Speaker 1: has always been data in analytics. And so I worked
Speaker 1: for a number of years as a consultant um kind
Speaker 1: of working with you know, larger companies Fortune five hundred
Speaker 1: and whatnot on business intelligence, analyt kind of data warehousing. Um,
Speaker 1: excuse me, Uh so, missus Jones not a Fortune five
Speaker 1: hundred company. He's he's pretty ahead of them. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: he's at Fortune five hundred companies, that Fortune five hundred people. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, for real, give me someone that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I got an opportunity to, I guess,
Speaker 1: work with data see a lot of different business models,
Speaker 1: and you know, I always had been fascinated by sports
Speaker 1: and analytics, and you know, passionate football fan wanted to
Speaker 1: kind of marry the two together and coming on board
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. I felt like I very fortunate to
Speaker 1: come on board at a good time because football analytics
Speaker 1: is something that's just starting to take off, and so
Speaker 1: it wasn't like there's this you know, big, kind of talented,
Speaker 1: experienced workforce out there that has all this knowledge that
Speaker 1: that you can draw from. So kind of jumped on
Speaker 1: an opportun and indeed to kind of move over to football,
Speaker 1: kind of work on analytics, dive deep into the data
Speaker 1: and kind of have been enjoying it ever since. Is
Speaker 1: it hard to I mean football is kind of a
Speaker 1: very old school like baseball. Is it hard to convince
Speaker 1: people to pay attention to these new stats? Football? People
Speaker 1: probably think math is magic black magic, yes, oh speaking
Speaker 1: of me, But anyway, yeah, I think as as I've
Speaker 1: gone through the years, it every year it becomes easier
Speaker 1: and easier. I think, you know, are I feel very
Speaker 1: lucky that, you know, I work for a ownership team
Speaker 1: and a head coach that that really kind of seek
Speaker 1: knowledge and kind of want to see what the numbers
Speaker 1: are telling us about decisions that we're making, you know,
Speaker 1: be that um personnel decisions. You know, who were who
Speaker 1: were kind of pursuing in the draft, you know kind
Speaker 1: of what we're doing kind of you know, with game management,
Speaker 1: what kind of what are some of the numbers that
Speaker 1: you can tell that you're that you guys, you really
Speaker 1: dive into UM. So I'll try to kind of stay
Speaker 1: within the bounds of what I've what has already been
Speaker 1: said publicly about what we're doing. But you know, one
Speaker 1: thing that we do and a lot of other clubs
Speaker 1: are doing, is you know, we closely monitor our player
Speaker 1: workloads during practice, and so our goals in doing that
Speaker 1: are what we kind of multiple goals. One is you know,
Speaker 1: we want the UM you freshest, fastest, kind of most
Speaker 1: athletic products that we can put on the field on Sundays.
Speaker 1: And if you look at kind of the character of
Speaker 1: our team, you know we are going to try to
Speaker 1: play fast, We're going to try to play physical. We
Speaker 1: have players, you know, come to our team from from
Speaker 1: other you know, professional teams, and they always comment about
Speaker 1: just the intensity of our practice, and so I think
Speaker 1: what we're trying to do is keep an eye on that. UM.
Speaker 1: We want to push our team hard, you know, we
Speaker 1: want to develop some of those qualities that carry over
Speaker 1: to Sunday. But we're trying to do so kind of
Speaker 1: in a in a very kind of practical, controlled sort
Speaker 1: of way. So it's kind of within that realm of
Speaker 1: high performance. You know, how do you uh, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of keep your foot on the gas but then
Speaker 1: kind of not overdo it. So are you measuring like distance,
Speaker 1: run and heart rate? Like what all kind of I
Speaker 1: don't know how much you can share, but like, what
Speaker 1: are some things that you guys are like tracking that
Speaker 1: that you can let us know about. Sure, now I
Speaker 1: think you've you've hit on a couple of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we're looking at you know, distances that players have covered.
Speaker 1: We're looking at um, some some biometric data, you know,
Speaker 1: heart rate, heart rates, something we have just kind of
Speaker 1: started to explore. Um, We're getting into a lot of
Speaker 1: kind of distances covered at certain velocities, and you know,
Speaker 1: we want to we want to keep a close eye
Speaker 1: on kind of that explosive those explosive efforts that players
Speaker 1: are going through in practice. Yeah, because those are the
Speaker 1: efforts that kind of best prepare them for Sunday but
Speaker 1: also take the most put the most wear and tear
Speaker 1: on the body. Yeah, how much do you work with
Speaker 1: the draft process, Like, are you looking at guys that
Speaker 1: are still in college right now. Obviously you can't go
Speaker 1: to their practices and do that. But how much are
Speaker 1: you working to find the right guys during the draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so kind of myself in my department. You know, we
Speaker 1: wear a lot of different hats. I fall under our
Speaker 1: scouting department, and so I kind of look at one
Speaker 1: of my primary areas of responsibility being the draft. The
Speaker 1: draft and kind of preparing for it, you know. So
Speaker 1: we're gathering as much data as we can. You know,
Speaker 1: so a lot of stuff people know about, you know,
Speaker 1: college stats and production and uh, you know, combine and
Speaker 1: pro day measurements, and you know, we're interviewing players and
Speaker 1: kind of you know, doing our own draft evaluations, and
Speaker 1: of course we have our own you know, models that
Speaker 1: we're putting together to study all this and try to
Speaker 1: tie it all together. So that surprises me how much
Speaker 1: internally you're using the numbers for our own team. I
Speaker 1: kind of assumed you were charting and tracking other your
Speaker 1: opponents coming up. I mean, I assume there's some of
Speaker 1: that involved in there. Oh, that's that's definitely true as well.
Speaker 1: So do you guys share info with other teams across
Speaker 1: the league, is there like a you have to give
Speaker 1: this information to the league wide or you know, the
Speaker 1: league does a great job of disseminating a common set
Speaker 1: of data and information to all the teams about the players. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so about so like the next gen stats that the
Speaker 1: league's now putting out, they have a website. I think
Speaker 1: that you go to that puts that that's something that
Speaker 1: the league mandates. That is something that's now shared kind
Speaker 1: of league wide, and that was a big development for
Speaker 1: us this offseason. We for the first time this year,
Speaker 1: we're able to see player tracking data for all thirty
Speaker 1: two teams and both sides of the ball. So in
Speaker 1: seasons passed, you know we had player tracking data, we
Speaker 1: would only see it for our own offense or our
Speaker 1: own defense. So it makes it hard to do some
Speaker 1: of the more advanced analysis you want to do. You know,
Speaker 1: like if you're trying to look at the interaction between
Speaker 1: a receiver and a defensive back, you know, to try
Speaker 1: to calculate separation on a route, you know, you can't
Speaker 1: do that without both sides of the ball. But we're
Speaker 1: now getting that and I think over the next several
Speaker 1: years you're going to see all kinds of new insight
Speaker 1: I think emerge you know within you know NFL front offices,
Speaker 1: but also in the public you know. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I see some great work being done on side
Speaker 1: psyche ESPN. You know, if you look at some of
Speaker 1: the work of somebody like Brian Burke, you know he's
Speaker 1: looking at that the sports science guy. No, No, he's
Speaker 1: he's more of a data analytics football analytics in particular,
Speaker 1: but kind of looking at past protection and um, you know,
Speaker 1: defensive linemen, how they're rushing, and starting to use that
Speaker 1: player tracking data to quantify some of those those numbers.
Speaker 1: My question is your workload is more when when do
Speaker 1: you have the biggest workload throughout the season? Yes, throughout
Speaker 1: the season, through the whole year, when your draft, offseason,
Speaker 1: what you like, what you're what you're big it. I'll
Speaker 1: say it never really slows down for us. Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: the NFL is kind of our year round business. And
Speaker 1: you know, within my group's kind of area of responsibility
Speaker 1: or areas of responsibility. You know, we're focused on UM scouting,
Speaker 1: you know, so that's both um you know, pro scouting
Speaker 1: for free agency and college scouting for the draft. UM.
Speaker 1: You know, we're also helping our coaches with kind of
Speaker 1: advanced work on opponents. Um. You know, in addition, we
Speaker 1: have a big kind of sports science focus, UM also
Speaker 1: working with you know, with the sports science piece kind
Speaker 1: of working with strength and conditioning. So you excited about
Speaker 1: a facet of what you do. So are you excited
Speaker 1: about even the smallest pieces? Huh oh for sure? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think are you like a numbers nerd completely? Do
Speaker 1: you just yea, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he's excited
Speaker 1: about even the smallest integral parts of it, you know,
Speaker 1: as well as the big part. Yeah. Do you think
Speaker 1: it'll football will ever get to where and this made
Speaker 1: me think of it when you set a dB going
Speaker 1: against a wide receiver. Do you think it'll ever get
Speaker 1: to the point where it gets so analytical that, you know,
Speaker 1: in the about halfway through the third quarter, this guy
Speaker 1: gets a little bit more tired by looking at the
Speaker 1: numbers that they're sharing across the league, and then you
Speaker 1: can exploit those matchups. I'm sure there's I don't know
Speaker 1: if the league would ever because that would almost be
Speaker 1: a competitive advantage or something. But do you think it'll
Speaker 1: ever get to where it's that analytical where you can
Speaker 1: do things like that, you know, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think that's really difficult to say. Like the I think
Speaker 1: one thing that could play a part in it kind
Speaker 1: of like you're saying, is just kind of the what
Speaker 1: the competition committee prefers, because it's it is possible that
Speaker 1: the league could could make a decision to share kind
Speaker 1: of real time player tracting data, you know, on during
Speaker 1: a game, and then at that point, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: teams would try to take advantage just some knowledge like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well as reading something just this week that I thought
Speaker 1: was interesting just um is in an article and it
Speaker 1: was kind of throwaway comment, but the article made mention
Speaker 1: that a team's trying to you know, kind of I
Speaker 1: guess run more plays on that I guess go towards
Speaker 1: their own sideline to kind of tire up ye posing
Speaker 1: defensive line on substitutions to make them run further. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the staff that you see and guys starring Nate
Speaker 1: that you see primarily, you know, over and over with
Speaker 1: really successful athletes like oh, you know, if this guy
Speaker 1: has you know, this range or whatever begins, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: you know that that means like they have some ounce
Speaker 1: of success aheaded for them. You know, I think we're
Speaker 1: we're always kind of pursuing value, you know, with I
Speaker 1: think the way that we think about improving our team,
Speaker 1: and I'll kind of say, I don't think we want
Speaker 1: to like marry ourselves to any single metric, but we're
Speaker 1: trying and to look at a number of different areas.
Speaker 1: So we want guys that are big and fast and
Speaker 1: explosive and Nate Knew smart and instinctive and and come
Speaker 1: from big programs, you know, like you're your ideal if
Speaker 1: you could, you know, kind of write it down on
Speaker 1: paper and say this is exactly what we want. We
Speaker 1: want guys that have, you know, all these great qualities
Speaker 1: that they're smart, and they learn things quickly, and they
Speaker 1: have the right football character. Cooper, Yeah, Cooper's perfect example. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, to the numbers thing. I noticed the other
Speaker 1: night when I was watching the seventy six ers place,
Speaker 1: somebody it was talking about Joel and Bed and then
Speaker 1: you know, and just simple numbers sometime because his numbers
Speaker 1: in the first half are just off the chart versus
Speaker 1: the second half, and they saying, is it the team
Speaker 1: around him? Is it that he gets a little fatigued?
Speaker 1: So whether we do it first, other other uh sports
Speaker 1: are working on the same thing. Baseball has to come.
Speaker 1: So like, what what do you think it's like in
Speaker 1: baseball get critics of saying it's too too much analytics?
Speaker 1: Now do you how do you feel about that? Do
Speaker 1: you think football could risk that kind of thing? Um?
Speaker 1: I think baseball just the nature of the interaction between
Speaker 1: a picture and hitter, you can very much kind of
Speaker 1: isolate that interaction and it lends itself so well to
Speaker 1: all kinds of analytical work. So I think it's you're
Speaker 1: almost hurting yourself if you're not, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: pursuing analytics heavily. There our sports not there yet, and
Speaker 1: I'll be the first to admit that. You know, it's
Speaker 1: there's too many interactions when you have eleven different guys
Speaker 1: on each side of the ball, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: squaring off, and of course they all have their own
Speaker 1: responsibilities and there's just an infinite number of interactions that
Speaker 1: take place there. You know, we will never be able
Speaker 1: to I think, you know, kind of isolate things the
Speaker 1: same way you can in baseball. But I like that
Speaker 1: aspect Versupoort. I think it makes it more challenging to
Speaker 1: do analytics and football. And I've talked to folks from
Speaker 1: other sports that are doing you know, kind of work
Speaker 1: at the highest levels, and they'll say the same thing.
Speaker 1: They're like, and football is the toughest. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't know how y'all do it, but they Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I think the pioneers, you know, you can say, we're
Speaker 1: in baseball and basketball is kind of really move the needle. Lately,
Speaker 1: basketball there's three point them. Nobody's taking tools anymore because
Speaker 1: if you hit thirty five percent of your threes, and
Speaker 1: you can hit forty percent or forty five percent of
Speaker 1: your tools, and you still lose the game. So that analytics,
Speaker 1: you know, Charles Barkley got mad because they brought analytics
Speaker 1: into the game. But they're gonna find a way. Believe me,
Speaker 1: in the NFL will find a way. What do you,
Speaker 1: as a former player who had none of these kind
Speaker 1: of stats, you know when you were in the game,
Speaker 1: what do you How do you feel about this? Oh,
Speaker 1: it's all good with me because the bottom line is
Speaker 1: is you better than me? Are you? Are you better
Speaker 1: than me? When in a sixty minute game, when I
Speaker 1: line up against the great Devons of I'm who gonna
Speaker 1: win the battle. Now you can have the numbers that
Speaker 1: say that you the better at three, that you got
Speaker 1: you more condition, you will get tired, so I start
Speaker 1: leaning on you. I Okay. We were talking to Jesse
Speaker 1: Holly earlier today and he was saying, like noon games
Speaker 1: really do affect the players more than I think people think.
Speaker 1: And he was talking more about like your days start
Speaker 1: so much earlier, you have to kind of like adjust
Speaker 1: your routine, your sleep schedule and especially different on you know,
Speaker 1: road games in at home. Is that something that you
Speaker 1: guys look at to like sleep schedules and kind of
Speaker 1: like just daily routines. Yeah, I will openly man, I'm
Speaker 1: not our expert on that topic. Oh but there is
Speaker 1: like should be Scott Center. He actually said he would
Speaker 1: come on the show. Would just need to ask he's
Speaker 1: our nutritionist, is that? Oh but he looks at like
Speaker 1: sleep and stuff too. Yeah, So his his focus areas
Speaker 1: are kind of nutrition and then kind of recovery, and
Speaker 1: so he's deeply focused on on sleep and kind of
Speaker 1: those aspects of what we're doing. So see look at
Speaker 1: Tom doing your job where you Kurt. He's booking guests
Speaker 1: and he's been on the show twenty minutes. You've been
Speaker 1: on the show for two years and I'm ahead of you,
Speaker 1: So I'm linking these guys. But question, So that's Douglas,
Speaker 1: by the way, behind that wall stream, it's not God. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you're talking about there's the analytics aspect of UH
Speaker 1: from the basketball perspective, the baseball perspective, how advanced they are,
Speaker 1: and then what Shannon was talking about earlier, which is
Speaker 1: how fatigue somebody might get in the third or fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: And I know I've read like four hundred meters eight
Speaker 1: hundred meter sprint athletes. I've I've seen interviews with their
Speaker 1: coaches and the sprinters and the way they've got their
Speaker 1: conditioning and strategies for those races down. Sounds like that's
Speaker 1: the direction Shannon was going. I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: familiar with that at all. So what's your question, Douglas, Well,
Speaker 1: is that are those related? I'll tell you good talk.
Speaker 1: Thanks for thanks for jumping in there, Douglas. Now with
Speaker 1: it within that realm of sports science, I've I've kind
Speaker 1: of taught um I guess as a professor at Northwestern
Speaker 1: kind of in their program for kind of sports analytics
Speaker 1: and that's where you graduated from, right. I did graduate
Speaker 1: from there for grad school, but um, you know kind
Speaker 1: of some of the associations I've had there professionally as
Speaker 1: well as so kind of that academic side of the world.
Speaker 1: But then I would also say there's kind of an
Speaker 1: applied kind of sports science community out there, if you will,
Speaker 1: And I think this group will kind of meet at
Speaker 1: conferences and conventions pretty regularly and kind of draw inspiration
Speaker 1: from one another. And I think where you'll see a
Speaker 1: lot of the innovation come from kind of like Douglas
Speaker 1: was saying, is you know the kind of the Olympic bodies.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll we'll invest heavily and kind of the
Speaker 1: best method and tools for measuring things and for developing athletes.
Speaker 1: And and then I think, you know, we on the
Speaker 1: team side a lot of times will kind of draw
Speaker 1: inspiration from those guys. It's a lot of times, you know,
Speaker 1: stuff will get handed down from say an Olympic body,
Speaker 1: you know, to a team setting, and a lot of
Speaker 1: times it may not even be you know, our team sport,
Speaker 1: but it might be soccer or rugby, and it will
Speaker 1: get applied there and more research will happen. So there's
Speaker 1: kind of a nice interplay between kind of the academic
Speaker 1: side of the world and kind of applied side. And
Speaker 1: so I would say all the time that we're kind
Speaker 1: of drawing inspiration from one another. Now that the nature
Speaker 1: of those sports are different. You know, we're we're such
Speaker 1: a start and stop sport. You know, we uh, you know,
Speaker 1: go through the line of scrimmage, you know, plays run,
Speaker 1: there's you know, ten seconds of you know, sprinting all
Speaker 1: out you know, frantic activity, and then we go huddle
Speaker 1: again and it stops. You know. So it's a little
Speaker 1: different than say a sport like soccer, where it's kind
Speaker 1: of a you know, continuous flows. For basketball's you know,
Speaker 1: more of that lucky yeah, hockey they're continuously skating up
Speaker 1: and down the down the ice or track, where it's
Speaker 1: more of an all out run. But but we I
Speaker 1: think you can borrow things from all the different sports.
Speaker 1: Do you ever look at like players, like after they
Speaker 1: have injuries and compare some of their stats to see like,
Speaker 1: you know, oh, this guy you know towards a CL
Speaker 1: or mcl and now he's coming back, this is what
Speaker 1: he used to do, this where he is now, Like
Speaker 1: compare historical data before and after an injury. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't want to get into specifics about kind of the
Speaker 1: way that we do those things, but I would say
Speaker 1: we definitely do yeah, and we we were kind of,
Speaker 1: I think pioneers in our efforts to kind of start
Speaker 1: to introduce new technology to to kind of player tracking.
Speaker 1: So one of the systems that a lot of teams
Speaker 1: will use as Catapult, and we were one of the
Speaker 1: first kind of North American customers. So we consider ourselves
Speaker 1: lucky that we were because now we have a ton
Speaker 1: of historical data and we can look back, you know.
Speaker 1: But some other teams don't necessarily, Yeah, teams that are
Speaker 1: newer to it, Yeah, they haven't accumulated as much, so
Speaker 1: they don't have data on players throughout their careers or
Speaker 1: over multiple seasons, you know, so they're not I guess
Speaker 1: the more daddy you collect, the more you can do
Speaker 1: with it. And so we've we feel lucky that we
Speaker 1: have so much ahead of the game. It sounds like
Speaker 1: I think I think we were in that regard. I
Speaker 1: would have loved to have seen, like over the years
Speaker 1: with Jason Witten, to see like how some of his
Speaker 1: stats would have changed, like especially because he always kept
Speaker 1: the same intensity. You know, people always talk about like, oh,
Speaker 1: he goes at every practice the same, but just like
Speaker 1: to see how age might have affected that. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was wearing tear on your body. I won't say specifically
Speaker 1: anything about how his performance numbers because I could get
Speaker 1: myself in tronic, but there's going to be a statute
Speaker 1: of mutations on that at some point. Though. He was
Speaker 1: the model with consistency though. I mean, you know, more
Speaker 1: so than probably any player we've ever had. He would
Speaker 1: show up, you know, to work each a you know,
Speaker 1: never miss a you know, a rep in practice. And
Speaker 1: that was just kind of his his model for for
Speaker 1: as long as I was here, and he he long
Speaker 1: predates me. They said his forty time was didn't really
Speaker 1: diminish much over his career. Quit trying to get tom
Speaker 1: in trouble my mind time did you ever run a
Speaker 1: forty or did you get to ten? He said he
Speaker 1: could beat anybody the first two guards. He was faster.
Speaker 1: I could. It was its documented, bro. But but anyway,
Speaker 1: my friend, Uh, I'm glad you came. Man. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: this is awesome. Yeah to have you on again. I'm
Speaker 1: sure after we digest this a little bit, we'll be like, Oh,
Speaker 1: we should have asked him do this, We should ask
Speaker 1: one more question. Last question he's got to go is uh,
Speaker 1: the stats say should rarely punt. You believe that? Do
Speaker 1: you think that's the that's true? I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna come like a lot of trouble on that way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing about that st because the people
Speaker 1: been on that for years that you should rally punt,
Speaker 1: but they never factor in that time that that you
Speaker 1: don't punt and don't make it. Yeah, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you gave the team seven points. They
Speaker 1: never talked about that. But this is most of the
Speaker 1: reason I didn't say anything, because it's most I've asked.
Speaker 1: Kurt could have asked anybody something. Oh I'm fascinated by this.
Speaker 1: So he's a numbers nerds, So you're not fascinated by
Speaker 1: concrete cowboys shows and stuff like that, or me and Nate.
Speaker 1: There's too much craziness going on there. I just let
Speaker 1: a game you have literally talked to Tom Moore on
Speaker 1: this show, that you have talked to me and Nate
Speaker 1: the past year, is to see the best Kurt. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is Kurt's best version of himself today he's been
Speaker 1: listening to Garrett's being the best version of himself. Well, Tom,
Speaker 1: this was awesome. Man. We know you're busy. You got
Speaker 1: to get back to work or appreciate you taking some
Speaker 1: time out and sounds great. Yeah that get just dude
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Speaker 1: to you. Thanks guys, what are you doing? Just walking by?
Speaker 1: And so we needed help. I was on Twitter and
Speaker 1: I saw there were only two of you guys, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, perfect time. Sorry fars No, I
Speaker 1: was like, Shana never invites me. And when I usually
Speaker 1: tell him that, He's like, just come on, yeah, anytime
Speaker 1: you want to drop in and just drop in. I
Speaker 1: like this. Don't you like it? Nate? No, I don't name.
Speaker 1: I don't let Shannon get your trolled. Just Jay and
Speaker 1: I have the best of times. On Sundays, we are
Speaker 1: dear friends. On Sundays we're different. What do you have
Speaker 1: all the time? What do you have over there? Nate?
Speaker 1: What are you doing Christmas? Looney? I have gone back
Speaker 1: and watched that part of yesterday's show about ten times.
Speaker 1: If you did not catch yesterday, we go watch the
Speaker 1: video for you. Thank You need to develop a sing
Speaker 1: Nate is an ultimate team player. Shannon, don't go through
Speaker 1: Bubba bits to get a deal. You need to work
Speaker 1: out a once a week segment for her. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what segment. This is the original bring Tay what back?
Speaker 1: But really I'm gonna be pumped that I get to
Speaker 1: be back when moment because tell us all what you do.
Speaker 1: She does a lot, Yeah, tell everybody, but yeah, well
Speaker 1: a lot is credited to this guy. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: she does everything, Channon gets credit for her Yeah, I
Speaker 1: take all the credit, give her all the work. And
Speaker 1: then I say, when I first started here, it was
Speaker 1: just Shannon and I doing social media. We ran all
Speaker 1: of the accounts, but at that time we didn't have
Speaker 1: the star accounts at and T Stadium, DCC Cowboys. So
Speaker 1: what you mean about social media? You we were posting,
Speaker 1: we were scheduling, we were handling, and what are some
Speaker 1: of the things that you was posting home? Facebook, Twitter, Instagram.
Speaker 1: We started the YouTube YEP back in the day, and
Speaker 1: then it started snapchat right right right. It expanded into
Speaker 1: this mass brand crazy department, and now we have what
Speaker 1: ten people working on our department. Now it's like, hey, Shannon,
Speaker 1: at the end of the meeting and it was just
Speaker 1: him and I and I get back in the good
Speaker 1: old days when life was easy. I'm sorry. I get
Speaker 1: to do a career game in post Game with you, right,
Speaker 1: and then you have something with brand I get to
Speaker 1: do Cowboys Hour with Brad Sham having cover four Cover four. Heye, right,
Speaker 1: there is a pretty awesome show, explained the cover for
Speaker 1: what you What was that entails? Well, that started two
Speaker 1: years ago when we're back, when we were still at
Speaker 1: Valley Ranch and we were deciding about putting shows on
Speaker 1: Connected TV, right, and I think everyone's thought process was, oh,
Speaker 1: you need a flagship show for connected TV, and so
Speaker 1: they thought we need to have a millennial type show
Speaker 1: that catered to more of the younger audience. We knew
Speaker 1: that we were moving over to the start and wanted
Speaker 1: it to be live too, right, wanted it to be live,
Speaker 1: wanted it to have like it was, it's only fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: It's still's only like fast paced high tan. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then it became what it is now and we haven't
Speaker 1: blast is Jesse Holley, Yeah, Dave Hellman and Lindsay drapers Em. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean what is it all about football? And do
Speaker 1: y'all get out of and talk about other things? You know? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think I would say it's all about football. Marries
Speaker 1: back to football, and it's not all cowboys all the time.
Speaker 1: It's about what's going on around the league and social
Speaker 1: media and stuff. Turn up Tuesdays a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: touchdown celebration dances. A lot of them have been choreographed
Speaker 1: by Kurt. And I don't know if you guys know
Speaker 1: that he's in he's in the off season. Kurt Daniel
Speaker 1: side Hustle is a touchdown choreographer. So that's a great
Speaker 1: social idea. We should do that. We should touchdown. Gonna
Speaker 1: come away and be to meet mild mannered Kurt and
Speaker 1: didn't get with with a millennial and turn out come
Speaker 1: on man, hair's growing back from fast kids. He knows
Speaker 1: how like yours. He knows how to turn out. He's
Speaker 1: got five kids. Four you are you are like April
Speaker 1: half you're older. But what day you will have that
Speaker 1: fifth key? We're telling we're telling Kurt it would take
Speaker 1: an act of God for day. Yeah, that's what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. Hey, it's happened before. I wish your wife
Speaker 1: named Sarah Lauren. We told Kurt he was gonna cancer.
Speaker 1: You kick cancer's ass and he's gonna have a kid.
Speaker 1: That ain't happening, Kurt, boy. Better Christmas gift than Kurt
Speaker 1: just dominating cancer. Yeah right, yeah, give us you went
Speaker 1: to the doctor this morning, to the doctor. Give us
Speaker 1: an update. Um, when I when this started, I had,
Speaker 1: you know, issues in my neck, chest and abdomen. The
Speaker 1: neck and the chest are gone. I still have some
Speaker 1: of the abdomen, but it's they're changing the treatment to
Speaker 1: kind of morning maintenance thing. So so how long? How
Speaker 1: it's progressing like you should? Yeah? So you'll have treatments
Speaker 1: for a while, prolong. Yeah, it's still another couple of
Speaker 1: years of this, but it won't be as often or
Speaker 1: as like toxic, so you won't. So you you'll have
Speaker 1: a treatment on Friday, and you won't. It won't knock
Speaker 1: you down a week later. I hope not. So it shouldn't.
Speaker 1: It won't be as much what they're giving me won't
Speaker 1: be as toxic. I guess how to put it. But
Speaker 1: when are we going to be able to go drink? Hopefully? Now?
Speaker 1: You kind miller lights, he needs to run. Where's sure
Speaker 1: you weren't about? You weren't gonna be here today, so
Speaker 1: we're saving him for next week. Week? Actually you know
Speaker 1: about I heard, oh, mama, mamas about think of a segment?
Speaker 1: You created it already? Hey what but would be what
Speaker 1: it's gonna be about? You get with him and he'll
Speaker 1: tell us and we'll have a segment like well, it'll
Speaker 1: be more than Satan be like thirty minutes. I'm here
Speaker 1: for it, like once a week we bring a week okay,
Speaker 1: and we want to bring her into what would you
Speaker 1: like you like after the game? Like Wednesday? Looking ahead? Okay,
Speaker 1: so Wednesday or Thursday? About Fridays, Mama grows. You're taking
Speaker 1: up all mama gross tad, and I feel back because
Speaker 1: I love her dearly way better than her son. Like
Speaker 1: she knows. She knows though, like she's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I feel bad for Mama girls some time. Man, why
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be talking right though? You know I'm the
Speaker 1: way I am because of her. She made this, She
Speaker 1: created this physically, mentally, spiritually, and most already on the air.
Speaker 1: She just didn't know it. Love you mom. Hi, Hey Angel,
Speaker 1: y'all you what we have a new member to our show?
Speaker 1: Are you watching? I am you have two new members?
Speaker 1: Hey Taylor, Hi Angel? Say that again? I said, Hey Taylor,
Speaker 1: hy Tyler. Look, my son outed me while ago and
Speaker 1: made the whole world think that I'm a bad mom
Speaker 1: because he's going to eat pizza on Christmas Day to
Speaker 1: tell you that he never gets to come home at
Speaker 1: Christmas and that I have Christmas dinner cooked every year.
Speaker 1: So there we go. How are you a bad mom
Speaker 1: because I'm getting pizza the night before? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm playing video games and eating pizza for Christmas. Everybody
Speaker 1: out there probably with, oh, that's a wonderful Christmas. That's
Speaker 1: my me. Some people that they don't know that that's
Speaker 1: your favorite pastime. They do. Now, hey, Mama Grows, we
Speaker 1: know that you didn't do well, so we we're skipping
Speaker 1: over that. We're just gonna talk about how your week
Speaker 1: went and who your new picks. Don't don't tell us
Speaker 1: what game, don't break down the games, but what was
Speaker 1: your record last week? Five and no? Okay, no, we're
Speaker 1: all about how many did you win last week? None?
Speaker 1: That's oh and five, not five and old. I know
Speaker 1: everything's backwards in Louisiana, but come on, numbers stay the same.
Speaker 1: Tell us, tell us going forward. What's your picks? Okay?
Speaker 1: The Falcons and the Panthers. Okay, now, downtwn Kurt, I
Speaker 1: don't have anything to write with. I've got it Falcons
Speaker 1: and the Panthers. Your Falcons are giving up three and
Speaker 1: a half, and I gotta go with the Falcons. Falcons
Speaker 1: minus three and a half. Okay, yeah, oh wait, wait,
Speaker 1: wait wait, this is just for entertainment purposes only, this
Speaker 1: is not We do not condone gambling on the show.
Speaker 1: Get Tom back here? Do you not need Tom in
Speaker 1: this room? They're in this segment because he might lose
Speaker 1: his job, so they're this is for fun Weston Graduate.
Speaker 1: All right, We're going with the Bears and the forty Niners.
Speaker 1: The Bears are giving up for yes man, the Bears
Speaker 1: Bears minus for Street. They won one ever thought to
Speaker 1: beat the Seahawks. Yes, really, yes, Okay, we got the
Speaker 1: Texas and the Eagles. The Eagles are giving up two
Speaker 1: and a half, and I have got to go with Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Texans plus two and a half. Okay, that's the Steelers
Speaker 1: and the Saints. Saints are giving up five and a half.
Speaker 1: They're at home. I think after last week's shame, shame,
Speaker 1: they're going to come back and beat the Steelers. Of course,
Speaker 1: I'm taking the Saints five and a half. Saints plus
Speaker 1: minus five and a half Saints for minus five and
Speaker 1: a half. Okay, okay, the Cowboys they're giving up seven
Speaker 1: and a half. Yes, but they're at home and they're
Speaker 1: playing the Buccaneers. And they better win this game. Yep,
Speaker 1: I'm going to Showboys seven and a half and what day? Huh?
Speaker 1: Hold on home Cowboys seven and a half. They just
Speaker 1: took his head off. What you think you think? You
Speaker 1: think they're that good at Cowboys? They're playing at home
Speaker 1: and this is a much okay home must win. All right,
Speaker 1: let me ask you something, Mom. We don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of time left, but let me ask you this
Speaker 1: because I took my whole seconds. Mom, backing up quick,
Speaker 1: you get you get to see a lot of the
Speaker 1: Bucks games because they show the NFC South games a
Speaker 1: lot right back home? Right? What do you see in
Speaker 1: the Bucks? What's gonna happen? What do we need to do?
Speaker 1: They're very inconsistent. Uh, they played this quarterback, that quarterback.
Speaker 1: They they are high one week and they're low the
Speaker 1: next week. Um, we just need to play our game
Speaker 1: and punch him in the mouth. Punch him in the mouth,
Speaker 1: or punch him in the MF and mouth. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's where we need to punch him and mouth. I
Speaker 1: say it, Mom, say punch him. No, no, gross, don't
Speaker 1: do that. Let him lead you down their path of destruction. Hey,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys needed any gift. The Bucks are thirty
Speaker 1: second in red zone defense. Oh and guess what we are.
Speaker 1: We're thirty first. You should have one more red zone. Hey, mom,
Speaker 1: did you watch yesterday show? I did. Did you see
Speaker 1: the joy on Nate's face when he played his Christmas
Speaker 1: music miss with his little tree? I have not seen
Speaker 1: him act like that without a plate of cookies in
Speaker 1: front of him ever, lud Ludy's Christmas tree. These Christmas songs,
Speaker 1: that is so funny. Yes, I thought, well, I ain't
Speaker 1: going to play them. Don't deserve That's all right, it's
Speaker 1: our last show for Christmas. You gotta man bring you
Speaker 1: next week since we're wearing ugly sweaters all next week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sweater Those things are awesome, y'all. Yesterday all y'all look ma'am,
Speaker 1: So we gotta gotta get you one. I gotta get
Speaker 1: Douglas one, and we gotta get your mom one. That's
Speaker 1: three more. Okay. What's your size? Smaller? Medium? What's your side?
Speaker 1: You're on the air, so l Kurt, what's your size?
Speaker 1: I mean, Douglas? What's your size? Two XL or three XL.
Speaker 1: You don't wear no three XL. We wear it with
Speaker 1: some leggings like a dress, Douglas, my shoulders are big.
Speaker 1: Something happens is this swimmer the dogs? That means we're
Speaker 1: gonna Hey, So we promised mother gross from will not
Speaker 1: take up your your second this week? Okay I would. Okay,
Speaker 1: look because my feelings are gonna be hurt. I'm not
Speaker 1: special anymore. Oh yes, you are. You are. You're special
Speaker 1: because you got to put up with me. That's an angel.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad for you. Time for you. So are
Speaker 1: you coming into town for Christmas? No, she's a terrible mom.
Speaker 1: Hold on, you're not coming into town and you're gonna
Speaker 1: get on Shannon by eating pizza. Yeah? No, Shannon's going
Speaker 1: out there. She needs to come home sometimes night, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be home from Artagros. Okay, we have
Speaker 1: to Hey, I have to work. I have to work
Speaker 1: at least half of the day on Monday. So for
Speaker 1: me to drive four and a half hours, spend the night,
Speaker 1: get up and come right back doesn't make much sense.
Speaker 1: I'll come when I can stay long her family first, Shannon,
Speaker 1: shut up, Douglas. You won't even cut your hair. You
Speaker 1: know what's so funny, man, is Shannon will switching you
Speaker 1: gotta get off the fins. Sanna, you gotta get off
Speaker 1: the finsh on what as you had jumped both sides
Speaker 1: that a minute? On what in and everything? Hey, I
Speaker 1: never noticed that I was having this discussion last night.
Speaker 1: What were my two imaginary friend's names, Nikolai and what
Speaker 1: was the other one? Oh god, I can't remember that too, Yeah, yeah, one,
Speaker 1: I remember God. One ran away, Thank god the toilet Nikolai.
Speaker 1: Nikolai was the one that was there forever. But he
Speaker 1: flushed my contact down the toilet. Not me, is Nikolai.
Speaker 1: All right, mon, we got a Christmas party. We gotta
Speaker 1: go to. Y'all do have fun and if ever tell you,
Speaker 1: but I do, you know what? And I don't know
Speaker 1: if that love is real because we're not gonna have
Speaker 1: anything but pizza and beer. Video games? Wow, video games?
Speaker 1: All right, Mom, love you. I'll call you Christmas. Taylor.
Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, Thank you kind about Kurt. She no,
Speaker 1: she was talking about Kurt. Kurt. Thanks for showing up,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank for crashing the party. Let's all hit together.
Speaker 1: Thanks for bringing for bringing it, Douglas, thank you for
Speaker 1: what you do. Oh yeah, we're gonna have to roll
Speaker 1: on the show next week's awesome the row. This guy,
Speaker 1: it's our time right now, It's our time right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's ready to roll. Man. Thank you, Douglas Sake, you kid,
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody, Thanks, thanks, Thanks, Luny Tree. We'll be back Monday,
Speaker 1: y'all having a one show ten o'clock on Monday. Don't
Speaker 1: know who's on it yet. We'll be back on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Have a great weekend, have a merry Christmas. We love
Speaker 1: all of you. We'll see you next week on Hanging
Speaker 1: with the Boys. Right now beside to write this out
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