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Speaker 2: ready for this twenty twenty four NFL Draft. Today from

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Speaker 2: Walterfootball dot Com, we say hello to Charlie Campbell. How

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Speaker 2: are you, Charlie.

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Speaker 3: I'm great. How you guys doing doing excellent?

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Speaker 2: We got a mock draft to go over a couple

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Speaker 2: of them on your end. But what I love to

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Speaker 2: talk to you when it's draft time is value. And

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about the wide receiver position. With the top

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Speaker 2: three in the draft. If I said neighbors of Doonsay

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Speaker 2: and Harrison Junior, how big is the drop off from

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's as large of a drop off

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Speaker 3: as maybe the media has made it out to be. Overall,

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Speaker 3: because if you're talking just your skill set, I mean,

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Speaker 3: In terms of thigh speed combination, there might not be

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Speaker 3: a better combo than what Brian Thomas Junior has from LSU.

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Speaker 3: In terms of being tall and fast, He's faster than

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Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior, taller than the Leak Neighbors, faster than

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Speaker 3: No Doons. So he is a really special talent. Physically,

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Speaker 3: players like you're worthy. Obviously he had the record setting

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Speaker 3: electric playmaker. He's a really good player. A d Mitchell

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Speaker 3: So this class of receivers is absolutely loaded. There's going

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Speaker 3: to be some fantastic players at that position that come

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Speaker 1: All right, Charlie, your latest mock draft is up. Check

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Speaker 1: it out now walterfootball dot com. You've got the Colts

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Speaker 1: drafting Quinjon Mitchell there with the fifteenth pick, cornerback at

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Speaker 1: at Toledo. Take us through that pick. Why that makes

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Speaker 1: sense from your perspective for the Colts, Well.

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Speaker 3: I think they're getting really good value there with the

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Speaker 3: number one corner in the draft at the fifteenth overall.

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Speaker 3: So whether you prefer, if they were were to prefer

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Speaker 3: him or Terry and Arnold from Alabama, they're going to

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Speaker 3: Give them a nice young tandem with Juju Brants, and

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Speaker 3: and he has two seasons of fantastic ball production at Toledo.

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Speaker 3: So he's a really nice player and I think he'd

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just playing Devil's advocate there picking up. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Combine was great for him really shine the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard, as we know, huge believer in the Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 1: puts a lot of stock into that week that gained

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Speaker 2: That's Charlie Campbell from Walter Football talking about the upcoming

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Speaker 2: draft here. Mock draft is out and available. Find him

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Speaker 2: on social media as well as obviously the internet at

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Speaker 2: walterfootball dot com. We'll get to your handles in a

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Speaker 2: minute where people can follow you. But I want to

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Speaker 2: stick in that first round. A couple of names that

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Speaker 2: a good fit. Give me the latest you have on

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Speaker 2: the cornerback from Iowa that's going to be working out

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Cooper Deshon is just really a fantastic

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Speaker 3: So I think Bowers would be would be a tremendous

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Speaker 1: All right, staying with the Colts, Charlie Michael Pittman Junior

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it really takes away the being kind

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Speaker 1: Charlie, last thing on the wide receivers total hypothetical, right,

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Speaker 2: That's Charlie Campbell from Walterfootball dot Com. Colts are not

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Speaker 3: there should be some really nice tackles that end up

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Speaker 1: Last one for me, who's this kind of a big

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Speaker 1: From Charlie Campbell right there. Draft analysts Walter Football walterfootball

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey in twenty twenty two, twenty nineteen, and twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: He was second place in twenty twenty one. We love you, Charlie,

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Speaker 1: you do you know we love you? But what the

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Speaker 1: what the hell happened last year?

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Speaker 3: Last year I was in the top ten. I think

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Speaker 1: Complete drop off, complete drop off, fell off the mat, you.

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Speaker 2: Your numbers are Hall of Fame numbers. Charlie, So don't

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Speaker 2: Charlie and Early May, let's meet up again and discuss

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Speaker 2: your wonderful picks and how accurate your mock draft was.

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Speaker 2: What do you say?

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Speaker 3: Sounds good? Charlie called me to account, either good or

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Speaker 2: I'm ready the best in the business. Love talking value

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Speaker 2: about this draft, among other things. Charlie Campbell find him

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Speaker 2: at walterfootball dot com and also on Twitter ex at

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Speaker 2: draft Campbell. All the latest information gets you ready. In friends,

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Speaker 2: you can be smarter around your friends if you read

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Speaker 2: what Charlie Campbell has to say. Appreciate the time. As always,

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: Charlie.

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Speaker 3: Sounds good. Take care, guys,