1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast. Okay, 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: I am so excited for today's podcast because I am 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: with the amazing Emily Giffin, who is number one New 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: York Times best selling author. She's written Something Borrowed, Something Blue, Love, 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: The One You're With, Heart of the Matter, Baby Proof. 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I can keep going on and on. Hi, Catherine, Hi, 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: have you ever met Emily before? I don't think, so 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: hio to me. You nice to meet you, Catherine. So um, 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: why are you? Are you in a closet? I'm in 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: my closet that's empty that my husband or whatever because 11 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: I wasn't there where all this stuff was moved out 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: and it was too echoly. So Eastern told me to 13 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: go to a closet. You know what, that's a really 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: solid metaphor right there, right you. You in an empty closet. 15 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: I love it. It's like cleaned out and ready to go. 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: And how can I ask you a question? Though? Before 17 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: we Emily, we're going to get to all your stuff 18 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: to talk of help. When we went into it last night, 19 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: girlfriend didn't way. Um, so you and an empty closet 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: right now? I remember when I got divorced. I think 21 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: that was my number one thing, was like I don't 22 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: want to walk into the closet and see the empty, 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: like see his stuff gone like that was like that 24 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: to me was going to be like the you're like 25 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: more space for my sweaters. But I just I don't know, 26 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: like I was just I remember telling Pam and Chris 27 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: and I'm like, you guys should They're like white crying, 28 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't want to walk in and 29 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: see his stuff gone. And so they went and took 30 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: they packed all of his clothes and then they then 31 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: they moved my stuff and rearranged it. And so I'm curious, 32 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: like you sitting in there, like how is that for you? 33 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a little weird. I don't think I'm 34 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: as emotional about it, but yeah, that part has been 35 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: interesting because you know, me, I was kind of like, 36 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: all right, I'm ready to get out of my space. 37 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm like ready, like I'm you know, and then I'll 38 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: like kind of look around and it just kind of weird. 39 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: It's definitely different and odd, but you know, I'm also 40 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: kind of excited to take over the shoe part of it. 41 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: And so it's fine, it's you know, it's all good. Yeah, 42 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: it's fine. It's good. Everything's fine, everything's um yeah, no, 43 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: it's and it's okay to still be upset at times. Sure, Yeah, no, 44 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: I mean it is definitely it's like a weird feeling 45 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: like it's still kind of feels a little bit like 46 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: a dream kind of, you know, it just doesn't really 47 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: feel real yet. Well, it's you've had him living in 48 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: your space for how many years exactly, and then all 49 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: of a sudden, this person like moves out, and I 50 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: mean it's I remember to me, it's like it's like 51 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: an oh death, but they're still alive. Yeah, it's like 52 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: that weird like they're everything is gone, and it's like 53 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,119 Speaker 1: you're missing this. There are a ghost basically in the house. Yeah. 54 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: I still think I was telling a friend this yesterday, 55 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: you know, because it's the summer. We've been traveling, you know, 56 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: I mean, k and then we're just in l a, 57 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: Like it just doesn't it nothing's normal yet. So I 58 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: think once things are like normal, like normal schedules, normal everything, 59 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: then I think it'll kind of hit me. Right now, 60 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: I kind of feel just like you know, relating tomorrow, 61 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: you know, just like travel and all that has just 62 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: made it feel it doesn't feel normal yet, so I think, yeah, 63 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I can relate to that. It's 64 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: always like when I come home, which is why Hi, 65 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: I'm in Atlanta, so like, this is one of the 66 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: reasons why I'm in Atlanta right now is because and 67 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: I texted Katherine and Christen because I'm like, hey, guys, 68 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,839 Speaker 1: I'm going to Atlanta because as much as I love 69 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: my space and time home for that the week that 70 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: I'm not with the kids, I'm kind of just like 71 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: for the summer schedule, it's like I just feel very 72 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: out of place in my house and it's like just 73 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: like how you're alone right now to in your house, 74 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: like it's amazing, but but then I feel like at 75 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: times kind of like all right, like I want to 76 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: get out of here because it makes me sad or 77 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: I mean, may before you're enjoying it because your kids 78 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: are like you in the entire house to yourself. But 79 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: I know what you mean. Though it's a little weird. 80 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: It's a little disorienting for sure, but they're just gone 81 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: for a month and they'll come back and mess everything 82 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: up again. You only get a month, I know, But 83 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: I love you, and I just wanted to check in 84 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: on you in the in the closet. Um, So do 85 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: you know how I met Emily? Didn't you like stalker? Yeah, 86 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: so Emily Giffen is it is? But it's the truth. Yeah, 87 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: you can't stalk someone when you have mutual Like, no, 88 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know where it was not true. So she 89 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: my closest cousin who lives in well, she's in DC now, 90 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: when she lived in Kentucky at the time. She's like, 91 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: how in the world do you know Jane Crant had 92 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: such street cred there for we got so much love. 93 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: By the way, because we had a wine night last night, 94 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,119 Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh my god, how are you guys? Friends? 95 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: Like that's so cool. And I'm like, well, I stopped 96 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 1: her older wiser mentor whatever. I schooled you. You did, Actually, 97 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: she she did. She I opened up more to her 98 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: last night than I ever do I ever do. It 99 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: was weird, but I feel like you're on this transformational Yeah, 100 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: a little bit. You're a little bit. Just you know, 101 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: it's my my sons are going to college in the 102 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: fall and so, and they're twins. There's two at once, 103 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: and we're downsizing a bit, and just you know, I'm 104 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: still my career is the same and the marriage is 105 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: the same. But I just feel like there's a lot 106 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: of like, you know, I've got on. Well, I was 107 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: researching this this place that's like a great place to like, Okay, 108 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: I just wasn't yeah, um, but I was looking at 109 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: the middle program, the non trauma program, and it was like, 110 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: do you feel this way? Do you feel this way? 111 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: And it was really interesting and I texted her right 112 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: away this morning. Some of them, yeah, some of them. 113 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: But I think I'm always in the camp that, you know, 114 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: whatever is happening in your life is whether you're you know, 115 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: getting a divorce and sitting in the closet or your 116 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: sons are going to call it like, there's always change happening. 117 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: And if there isn't change happening, it's going to happen anyway, 118 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: you know. And so and you have to sort of 119 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: embrace these transitional moments and and just you know, be 120 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: the best version of yourself at all times. And I 121 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: think that's what you've become. You've really good at that, 122 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: Like you've really like gained a lot of what you 123 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: had some nuggets of wisdom. I'm supposed to be the 124 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: older wiser one buss is because I came back from 125 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: on site. So I told her. I was like, man, 126 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: because things things change when you go. When you put 127 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: yourself in these transformational places like you see, you start 128 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: to see change. Yeah, And I was telling why I think, 129 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: yeah right. I was telling my assistant Kate about it. 130 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: Who's you know? She she's um been with, We've been 131 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: working together forever. We're very close. But I was sort 132 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: of giving her the rundown and Janny says, yes, she 133 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: should go too, and I'm like, wait, you don't know 134 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: a single thing about her. But I thought that was 135 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: so interesting that I replayed it later because I thought 136 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: to myself, probably every human, like everyone could benefit. I mean, 137 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: not every one has the luxury of being able to 138 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: find the time or the the money or whatever to go. 139 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: But like, I think it was interesting that your reaction 140 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: is she should go too. I think everybody should do 141 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: work and self discovery. And I think that's, um, it's 142 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: only going to help what man. I was Oh, man, 143 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: someone said, um, you end up bleeding over if you don't. 144 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: If you don't, God, this is this is I'm like 145 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: that person that just butchers every single I am the 146 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: worst and then but Katherine whatever, you were the same. 147 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: I can't do sayings whatever those are called, but you 148 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: just I butcher them terribly. You butcher lyrics too all 149 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: the time. I remember any time I put my mic out, y'all, 150 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: it's because I don't remember the lyrics. Everybody that that's hilarious. 151 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: Why is like the like really you know good but 152 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: like in WAYI wan or whatever, but like, no, no, 153 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: I'll be like and they all nail it. Nope, most 154 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: of the time they don't know the song either. Um 155 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: but no, though, the saying was like, if you don't 156 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: fix your wound, you're gonna end up bleeding all over 157 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: the next person. Oh M. Like so if you don't like, 158 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: you can keep putting a bandaid, bandaid, band aid, but like, 159 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: that wound's gonna keep getting reopen. It's gonna keep getting reopened, 160 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: and the next relationship that you're in, if you haven't 161 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: fixed that wound, you will end up bleeding all over 162 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: the person that did not cut you. So interesting. You 163 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: bring that up a conversation that Amy and I had 164 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: the last session, where it is basically we talked about 165 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: on site, we talked about and She's like, you know, 166 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: you can take this time and you can just veg 167 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: out and do all and do all that for a 168 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: little while. You know, like you can do this, do that. 169 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: You know. She's like, but if you don't take steps 170 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: and you don't have intentions and you don't change things, 171 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: it's going to go over into the next relationship. And 172 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, that's why I'm still here. You know. 173 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: It's just so it's so interesting because that's so true, 174 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: Like I could easily skirt through this and just like 175 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: not even think about what I need to change in myself, 176 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: what I need to do differently what I and then 177 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 1: just walk into the next relationship the same person. But 178 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: that was I just think of that, Yeah, and it'll 179 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,599 Speaker 1: be the same. You will be the same cast, and 180 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: the man will be or woman whoever will be not 181 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: saying but you know what I'm saying, like to the 182 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: person listening to the the man will be the same cast, 183 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: just different face, like the same character, different face. And 184 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: that's you know, something that I quickly realized after my relationships, 185 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: after my divorce. I was like, oh wow, this is 186 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: now something that like I have to fix my stuff, 187 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: you know. So that because I also think too, Like 188 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: healthy attracts healthy, right, So I'm a big believer in 189 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: that as well, Like you attract what you are. Sure, yeah, 190 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,599 Speaker 1: I believe in that. Or for sure, don't be the 191 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: Devil's advocate. Be the devil advocate. We want devil's advocate 192 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: on the show. I still believe in that that the 193 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 1: kit kat bar you can you really have. But I 194 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: think that what's the saying I'm whatcher sayings too. It's 195 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: so funny that you say that, but like you're the 196 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: average of the five people you spend the most time with, 197 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: Like have you heard that one? The average like cannot 198 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: necessarily average, but like you're you're going to be like 199 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: if you spend time with if three of the five 200 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: people that you spend time with their toxic, that's gonna 201 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: rub off on you. If you spend time with all people, 202 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: which would be really you know, kind of like you're 203 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: not seeking people out just because they have like a 204 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: higher cue or well adjusted. I mean, we have relationships 205 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: with all kinds of people. But if you, for some reason, 206 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: had five your five closest relationships were all with like brilliant, 207 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: completely well adjusted people, then you think about how much 208 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: that would elevate your I mean, you don't audition your 209 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: people for to be perfect. But yeah, um, but yeah, 210 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting in the same way. We are 211 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: all such different people, right, Yeah, Well, when I think 212 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: if you spend time with five very different types, I mean, 213 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: that reflects on who you are too, if you find 214 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 1: if if it's five toxic people, that's bad. You know, 215 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: if it's five needy people, that's I don't know. But 216 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: then I always remind my daughter of that because she's 217 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, she's fifteen, and you know, there's the peer group. 218 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: Is everything right? And I just keep I just keep 219 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: reminding her that, like is this do you want to 220 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: be like her? Do you want? Is that what you 221 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: want to be like? Because if it's not, then you 222 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: might want to consider dropping her out of the top five. 223 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: Oh like my Space days, get out of my top 224 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: I think you only have five? You had eight, We 225 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: had five. I mean, i'd know why I'm getting five bridesmaids, 226 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: so you know what I mean? Like, I think I 227 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: could tailor it. I think you could make it less. 228 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: The fewer than eight. I keep. I keep my group. 229 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: Even though I say I have a bunch of best friends, 230 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: I still keep my inner queendown and like it's five girls, 231 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: queenom is five. There you go. So that's why I 232 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: seen it's like top five since I always like go 233 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: um okay, Emily. So I met Emily because I, okay, 234 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: this is really embarrassing. And I don't know if I've 235 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: ever told you this. I've never read a book ever 236 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: until Something Borrowed. You mean that wasn't a close assignment ever? 237 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: Did you just to cliff notes? For sure, I would 238 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: read the first page, the back page, the middle, and 239 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: then do my assignment. I've never I never. That doesn't 240 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: it terrible? I never read a book. I hated reading. 241 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: I literally loathed reading. But I think a lot of 242 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: people feel that way until they find the right book. 243 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: That's not uncommon, I think too to you know, for 244 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: and I've I've been told that before book signing. Yeah, 245 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: I think my books are pretty easy to read, accessible 246 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: and you know, character driven. So I you know, and 247 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: I think maybe someone like you told someone else who 248 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: doesn't read a lot that same thing, and they pick 249 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: it up and they read it. But it's about the 250 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: right book, finding the connection to the right book. Something 251 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 1: Borrowed is your first book, right, it was. So that 252 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 1: was then the first book that I read, and I 253 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: don't remember how, I'm sure I think it was, you 254 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: know what it was. It was I saw the movie 255 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: was about to come out, and so I was like, 256 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: oh cool, I've never this looks like a really cool movie. 257 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: I want to read the book before it comes out. 258 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: That's what you're supposed to do. So but no, it's 259 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: not because I actually got mad about the casting. Oh well, yeah, 260 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: I mean I thought the casting was great, but she 261 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: doesn't look like I didn't Darcy in the book, and 262 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: I thought Rachel was off. She thought she was. Yeah, 263 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: she was Jennifer good one and Kate she's great. Love Jennifer. 264 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: But I was like, I just imagined Rachel as like 265 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: I would have casted like a Rachel McAdams, or like 266 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: she got off with the part. First. She did not 267 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: say that I love it. I always want to know 268 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: because she actually was the very first person we went 269 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: out to and she she turned it down. Yeah, feel 270 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: bad because like I'm I was thrilled with that's a 271 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: good one. Did. But yeah, it's really funny that you 272 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: said that, because I think we felt that it's nothing 273 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: about Jenny's acting ability. Because I thought she was fabulous. 274 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: But the picture that my I pictured, Rachel McAdams like, 275 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: that's closer to what I pictured, and I think so 276 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: did the producers, which is why we we went out 277 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: to her first. But Jenny was one of our top 278 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: choices and she was she was great. But yeah, but 279 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: I'm glad you read it because we wouldn't be sitting here. 280 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: I know. Well, so then I read it because my 281 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: thing is like I don't like reading books when it's 282 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: not in first person, so like when someone says he 283 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: said she said the entire time, or I'm like, I'm 284 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: so confused that, like you've already lost me because you 285 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: want well, I think it's probably no, I don't think 286 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: that you did, you would not get lost. And that's 287 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: what I think. What it is is you you you 288 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: want the immediacy of the experience. I'm like, Sue said, 289 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: what like, I want to I want to be reading 290 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: it and going like I want to feel like I 291 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: am I'm reading your story like so connected to like 292 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: if I'm just reading what the author is saying, what 293 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: the person is saying, I'm kind of like, and then 294 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: I do, Katherine, I get confused. I'm like wait, who 295 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: is Are you dyslexic? Maybe? Maybe? Yeah. I mean a 296 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: lot of people that aren't sort of under the age 297 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: of who are dyslexic don't know they were because if 298 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: they're not, they're so vigilant about it now at testing 299 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: and so forth. But I bet you are a lot 300 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: of really brilliant people. Obviously let me, Steve Jobs was dyslexic. 301 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: I mean, like a lot of brilliant people are dyslexic. 302 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: They're just more visual unless you know, like I don't 303 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: do like like I wouldn't say, like, God, I know 304 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: that's a dog. Well that's but are you a slow reader? 305 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: Are you a slow wrider? Are you a slow reader? 306 00:15:52,040 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: Obviously I'm just what he's like, God, those who you know? 307 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: But that's trying to be funny. That only happens sometimes. 308 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: But my daughter is dyslexic. And then I was like, 309 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not and it runs in families and 310 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: we had her tested and they said she's dyslexic. Probably 311 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: one of you is dyslexic. And I'm thinking, well, I'm not, 312 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: you know, like I'm like, actually, one of the things 313 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: I'm good at is reading and writing. And I looked 314 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: at my husband, and I was like, oh, it's you, 315 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: and I realized that he was. He's the slowest reader. 316 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: You know, when you're like reading a magazine or a 317 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: newspaper together on an airplane, like and you're sharing the 318 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: thing and you get to the end and you turn 319 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: the page and the other person's like wait, wait wait, 320 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: and I'd be like, okay, thinking like a few seconds 321 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: and like all this time goes by before he'll but 322 00:16:46,240 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: he's he's dyslexic. I sometimes actually read too fast, and 323 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't remember what I read, so I have to 324 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: reread and then reread and reread. I like I reread 325 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: the same thing over and over and over again. Is 326 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 1: that that's that's a d D two Okay, great, well yeah, 327 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: but they really go hand in hand. Just have a 328 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: d D. And I'm just well, your creative and in 329 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: your interpersonal skills are off the chain. I mean there's 330 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: lots of different forms of and tell your emotional intelligence 331 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: is your e Q is crazy high? Oh I got 332 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: like a four team on my A C T, so 333 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: not incredibly smart. But that's e Q. It's reading people's 334 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: e Q. Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that great. Yeah, 335 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: different things, yeah, Okay, yeah, I Q not not so 336 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: much there. Um, Katherine, you read a lot though, right, 337 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't say a lot. I feel like 338 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: you get that big thick books sell those scary people have, 339 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: like like thrillers, Like I'm kind of like a guy 340 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: with my books. Yeah, you please read one of her books. 341 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: And she's like, I like mystery. I've asked you. Okay. So, 342 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: out of all my books, the Lies that Bind, which 343 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: is the one that I wrote last, it was the 344 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: one that came out before this most recent, is the 345 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: most thrillery and plot twisty. So I would recommend for 346 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: you to read the Lines of Wine and they may 347 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: have that into a limited series which we're gonna talk 348 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: about in a second. And so I think that's the 349 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: one for you if you like, if you like that, 350 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: you know, kind of quick plot. I have to have 351 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: that because I really am not really a reader for 352 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: that be like like what's going to happen next? And 353 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: I just won't do it. Read. So back to me 354 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: sliding into So I finished something borrowed and I'm like, 355 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: holy crap, I've never read a book ever. I'm feeling 356 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: so smart, so like like just happy and I need 357 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: to know what's happening, like I need the next book, 358 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: And so I go on Instagram and I just slide 359 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: right into your d M s and I'm like, I'm 360 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: obsessed with you. Oh my god, your books amazing. Just Hi, 361 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: I'm Janet Kramer. You probably have no idea who I am, 362 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: but like I just like embellishing this, just like I mean, 363 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: just like stroking her ego and telling how much I 364 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: love her and saying like if like please please let 365 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: me know like when your next book comes out. I 366 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: mean I think I signed up even for like email alerts, 367 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: like that's how obsessed I was. And then she DM 368 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: me back and we've been friends ever since. Yes, we 369 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: have UM and I've read every single one of her books. 370 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: I'm halfway through Meant to Be, which is out right now, 371 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: and it's so good. Yeah, we were going to do 372 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: this podcast later, but then you were in town, and 373 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: so we're doing it now, and she's read enough of 374 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: it so that I mean, we're not We wouldn't discuss 375 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: the plot anyway, because no, no, we're not going to 376 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: discuss the plot. But there are some questions that I 377 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: ask people about what is and they wanted to know 378 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 1: what is your favorite book, if you could rank your 379 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: top three books. It was one of them that came through. Yeah, 380 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: that's hard, and I was like, oh, that's a good 381 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: question because I've got mine. I mean, it's so much 382 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: about time and place when you read something like I 383 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: love the Broke Back Mountain. It's a novella that the 384 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: movie was based on, but I think I read it 385 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: at a time in my life. That and she's a 386 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,719 Speaker 1: brilliant writer. Um that would be one member of the wedding. 387 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: I mean, um no, Carson Mco. The books that you wrote. 388 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: I was like, I was like you right, Brokeback Mountains. 389 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: You're like, did you? I was like, wow, okay, okay, 390 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: I'm sorry we're talking. I thought we were. You know, 391 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: your your books. But that's I mean, it's good to know. Okay. Yeah. 392 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: Backing up, Um, I think Something Blue the sequel or 393 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: something Borrowed. So that's my sentimental favorite. It's one of 394 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: the top three. And then I would say Meant to Be, 395 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: which a lot of people are saying is most like 396 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: Something Barred and Something Blue, which is the one that 397 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: just came out. And then I love the One and Only, 398 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: but it's the one that I would say people like 399 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: a lot of people like the least. The people who 400 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: love it love it, but the people who because it's 401 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: about a girl who falls in love with her best 402 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: friend's father, and a lot of people thought it was creepy. 403 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: I know, and I love you for that character. I 404 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: love so I always say, old man, I think he 405 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: would kill that. Oh my god, I love the sports. 406 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: She loves sports, and she falls in love with this, 407 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: like really, Friend was like yeah, Friend was like so 408 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: upset about and I just remember being like, oh but 409 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: I loved that book. I thank you read that. Thank you. 410 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: But that's what I mean. You loved it. But a 411 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: lot of people like it's my lowest star review on Amazon. 412 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: But the people who love it love it. And I think, 413 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people say it's fascinating to 414 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: me because I wrote a book something Borrowed where the 415 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: girl the protagonist, falls in love with her best friend's 416 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: fiance and has sex with him the whole summer leading 417 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: up to her best friend getting married, like that is 418 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: the most unlikable thing that you can do, and women 419 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: read it and love it and everyone excuses her. They're like, well, 420 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: very aggressive, and yeah, they all excuse her, and everyone 421 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: loves the book. Then I write this One and Only, 422 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: which is about a girl who falls in love with 423 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: their best friend's father. The mother's debt, she's passed away. Like, 424 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: there's no infidelity in this book. Granted there's an age 425 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: difference and it would be a little weird if, like, 426 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, but people are like, oh my gosh, I 427 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: can't believe she did that. I'm like, she actually didn't 428 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: do anything wrong, she didn't know. And then they throw 429 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: out the word incest, which is like super like super definitional, 430 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: like incest is when you have sex with someone you're 431 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: related to, Like, there's no incest in the book. But 432 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: it's just it's interesting. But I love that. I love 433 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: my books can make people sort of feel extreme ways, 434 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: like that some people love them and some people hate them. 435 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: And you know, certain books like and I will love 436 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: another one. And it's like, I don't ever want to 437 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: write a book that everybody just likes. I want to 438 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: always write books that some people love and some people 439 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: like it bothers them. It's a conversation. Yeah, it's it's 440 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: like you want to sort of evoke emotion. That's so 441 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: interesting Now that I'm thinking about it, because really, Darcy 442 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: was the one that people didn't like. It's like, no, no, 443 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: she was cheating on her best friends, Like oh my gosh, 444 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: Like I didn't even like I loved Rachel. I wanted 445 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: Rachel to have but then because because and that's sort 446 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: of like that's something that I try to do in 447 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: every book, Like we are so messy and complicated, like 448 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: human beings, like we you know, our relationships are messy 449 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: and complicated. We end up hurting the people we love 450 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: the most. We mess things up. We have to be forgiven, 451 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: we have to forgive others. And I just think that's 452 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: what I try to capture when I write of all 453 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: those like complexities and who we are as as people, 454 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: but especially as women, and try to make my readers 455 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: relate to the to the you know, characters and root 456 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: for them in spite of what they're doing because they're 457 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: often doing messed up things. Well another yeah, because I 458 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: mean what we all do? We all do? Yeah, I 459 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: mean the one, um, gosh, everyone there's always something where 460 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: it's um the lawyers, Oh no, they know they were 461 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: in jury jury duty. Oh that was the green book 462 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: that was love, the one You're with Love the one 463 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: you're with. That was about the one who got away 464 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,239 Speaker 1: away she done her husband? She did, Yeah, she did too. 465 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: There was some fidelity that one, and I remember being like, 466 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: but I was a mandator. Yeah, well she didn't totally 467 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: cross the line. And then that book was written in 468 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, so if you didn't read it, 469 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: we're going to spoil the plot. But that's sort of 470 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: the one that's like, everyone has someone that they can't 471 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: get out of their system, like someone from their past 472 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: that they cook like, that they look up on Facebook, 473 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: that they stalk, that they like to have that person. 474 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: I mean, married for how many years? Twenty years? But yeah, 475 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: I'd say I did for a lot. Well, I am 476 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: in this weird category. I'm not trying to evade the 477 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: question because I will answer it. But I still talk 478 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: to all my like almost all my ex boyfriends, Like 479 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: I still am good friends with him. Like I just 480 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: got a message from my college boyfriend today said, my 481 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: parents saw you in Good Morning America. I don't think 482 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: I wrote him back either. Um, but I love him 483 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: my door room he stayed at the house. Yeah yeah, Um, 484 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: and my husband loves when he comes to the house. 485 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: He's a writer. He writes for TV, and so it's 486 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: kind of he would probably be my one who got away, 487 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: but because we're friends, like he's my most significant X 488 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: in other words, but we're still friends. Is there a 489 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: story based on him? No, there actually isn't. I mean, 490 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: we are so much friends that it almost feels like 491 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: we're cousins. Like it's really which I think is why 492 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: you can be really friends. But there was someone in 493 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: New York that that gave me that feeling of like 494 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: I needed to look him up and like I need 495 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: to what he was doing. But recently, like he's totally 496 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: out of my system, like I don't care anymore. Well, 497 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: I mean I didn't care even then, but you still, right, 498 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: you're still curious even if you it's not that you 499 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: want to be with them and you pine for them, 500 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: but you're just curious, like you're sort of wonder. Yeah, 501 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: you always kind of look up right cat, like you're 502 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: just kind of like, oh, I wonder what they're doing. Yeah, 503 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: because you want to be with them, and sometimes affirmatively 504 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: because you certainly don't want to be with them, right, 505 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes that's right makes you feel better about 506 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: your decisions. Yeah, you want to feel, you know, an 507 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: affirmation that you know about that. But there's a lot 508 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: of material to mine with women in our relationships, for sure. 509 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: I mean I had like three ideas from my next 510 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: book when you were here last night, Oh tell us more, Well, no, 511 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: because we'd be revealing was it was it? Was it 512 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: based on my life or yeah, there was like a 513 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: couple of things you said. Remember, I'm like, this could 514 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: be a character. Yeah, yeah, based all your books on 515 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: somebody you know? Or do you just kind of come 516 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: up or it's scenarios, So it's more like inspirations for 517 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: like an idea, you know. Baby Proof was my third 518 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: book about a woman who didn't want to have a 519 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: baby in her husband did that was based on it 520 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: was supposed to be the other way around, And then 521 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: all the tabloids were saying that Jennifer didn't want to 522 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: have a baby, which we found out wasn't necessarily the truth, 523 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: but that was what they were saying. And I'm like, oh, 524 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: let me flip this and make the woman not want 525 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: to have the baby. So that was like a tabloid inspiration, 526 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: which is the only time that's happened. But yeah, you 527 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: it's more of a scenario like, oh my gosh, what 528 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: would happen if you fell in love with your best 529 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: friend's Beyonce or you were attracted to your um best 530 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: friend's dad or you know, like so it'll be like 531 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: but it's not. You know, it's not not that I 532 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: would do a character who's like Jana and looks like 533 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: Janet is Janet, but it's she was describing something about 534 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: her life last night, and I thought, oh, this would 535 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: be a good scenario a set up for a book, 536 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: not like a set up as in a blind date setup, 537 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,479 Speaker 1: but like as a as a starting point set up. 538 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: I know. I'm just like, she's good. Your books just 539 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: make me at the end because I'm just they just 540 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: make me happy. Um, because usually it ends, there's one 541 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: that like it didn't end. I was like, no, you're 542 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: pissed at me. I think wrapped and yes, I like 543 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: him wrapped in a bow. Right, Yeah, that's like you 544 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: don't always get that, but you don't always get the bow, 545 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: but you usually get like a hopeful And isn't that 546 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: sort of you know again the metaphor of the empty closet, like, 547 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: it's not it's not the best you've ever felt in 548 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: your life? Probably but it's also like you're really hope. 549 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: It's like you're hopeful, like it's like there's a lot 550 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: of potential here. And that's how I feel like, Janna, 551 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: You've you've managed to find that place through difficult times. 552 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: I think you feel a sense of hope and excitement 553 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: about the future. So that's what I want from my characters. No, 554 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: I love and I love that you love them. For 555 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: the most part, I know I love them. And Um, 556 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: someone just said, which I think we just is there 557 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: any book character that Janna you'd want me to play? 558 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: But we just said that I think you would kill. 559 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've read this one, but The 560 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: Heart of the Matter, I've read every single you would 561 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: kill and I have told I could you know, I 562 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 1: can talk the producer right now and perv it um 563 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: that I think you would. You would kill either role 564 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: in um Heart of the Matter, but especially the Valerie role. 565 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: She's the single mother whose son is Blake burned. Um, yeah, 566 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: she would. You would. You'd be so good at that. 567 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: But you've got that, You've got that confidence and vulnerability. Yeah, 568 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: you're welcome. Um what here? Lets how do you find? Okay, 569 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: you already that one Um, new Emily Giffen Reader, which 570 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: book should I start with? Meant to be most recent? 571 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: Meant to be most recent? And the reason that I 572 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: say that is because it's set the farthest back in time. 573 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: It's set in the mid nineties in New York and 574 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: the Hampton's about the most eligible bachelor in the world, 575 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: people's sexiest man alive. Um, and he falls in love 576 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: with a girl sort of you know, from with a 577 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: troubled background, and it's a love story. It's a it's 578 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: a summer read. You can escape to the not only 579 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: into this relationship in this world, but literally into the past, 580 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: back to the nineties. I think it's the it's the 581 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: one to start with. Will there ever be a Something 582 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: Blue movie? There was like a million questions about that 583 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: Something Blue. Um, they're okay, So here's the dilemma. So 584 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:37,239 Speaker 1: Something Blue is the book that is right after Something Borrowed. So, UM, 585 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna out him right now because I already 586 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: did it at a signing. Do you see not out him? 587 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: But Colin won't want to No, No, Colin would love 588 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: to do John Krasinski, who's Ethan who would then be 589 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: the lead. And Something Blue? So Kate Hudson's So I 590 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: don't know where Kate stands, but I feel like we 591 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: could convince Kate. But I don't feel like John's wanting 592 00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: to do that. Where he is in his career, he's 593 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: directing more and producing more. So I think we should 594 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: do a reboot of the whole series and do a 595 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: limited series. You get all the back story. I think 596 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: we should do a limited series like a three season 597 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: of Something Bartered and Something Blue with all new characters. Yes, 598 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: that's what I think. And I would like to play Rachel, 599 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: and we'd pick you over Rachel McAdams. I mean, you 600 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: shouldn't see if you get Rachel um but I wow, 601 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: that's and I feel like you need to do that 602 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: because you need to then reboot. Yeah, something you have 603 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: to You have to bring something borrowed back right to 604 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: do Something Blue. Sure, but you need Something Blue. It 605 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: needs to show all that backstory of the friendship. And 606 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, everyone's had a friendship that's complicated 607 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: like that. Don't you think like a friendship where you 608 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: like love each other and hit each other. Have you 609 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: ever had that cat you love each other and hay, 610 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: like you love someone but you also can't and her 611 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: and you then you and you want to like it's 612 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: me cat h No, definitely not. Well, that happens. For sure. 613 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: That happens, I think typically when we're younger, but can 614 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: happen at all ages. I swear. I go over to 615 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: my mom's community retirement home and there's like drama with people, 616 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: like they didn't invite her to someone to dinner, and 617 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, I think, I don't think we ever completely 618 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: grow out of some of that drama. That makes me 619 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: think of like just these industries in general. You know 620 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: how it's all kind of like you know, like actors 621 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: and singers and everything. It's like they're friends, but are 622 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: they really friends. They kind of love each other, but 623 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: they kind of ate each other. That's what makes me 624 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: think of that. Well, I really like that idea, And 625 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: let me know how I can help because that would 626 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: be really cool. Well you're helping right now and talking 627 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: about it. The buzz. We needs to it needs to 628 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: be out there. We need to do We need to 629 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: do a limited series, something Borrowed, something Blue, all new characters. 630 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: That would be so amazing. Um. Okay, there's what advice 631 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: would you give to an aspiring aspiring writer. Um, okay, 632 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: one thing, I wouldn't call yourself an aspiring writer. I 633 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: would call yourself a writer. Lose the aspiring because if 634 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: you're writing, you're a writer. Whether or not you're published 635 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: doesn't change what it is you do. And so I 636 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: think that would be my starting point. But also just right, right, 637 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: just right all the time, and don't worry about, you know, 638 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: getting published, like right what you love and then eventually 639 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: you'll find success if that's what you want. What about 640 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,479 Speaker 1: when you're in a writer's block? What do you do? Well? 641 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: What do you do when you don't want to work 642 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: out and go to the gym? I don't go so well, 643 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: it's like and then I don't go the next day, 644 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: and I don't go the next but eventually you go, right, 645 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: I mean, writer's block is really just and it happens 646 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: to me all the time, but it's really just like 647 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: it's too hard. You don't want to do it, you 648 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: don't feel like doing it, you can't you're not in 649 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: the headspace. You just have to make yourself do it. 650 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: It's like when you don't want to work out, you 651 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: often you don't and I'm right there with you, but 652 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: just put your shoes on and go out the door 653 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: and at least go for a walk. Like that's how 654 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: you should approach writing, just at least just right. You know, 655 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: write down anything. You can always fix bad words, You 656 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: can always fix a bad scene, but you can't fix 657 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: no scene at all a blank paper. So you know what, 658 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: that's a really good metaphor too, Like you can fix 659 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,439 Speaker 1: you can fix these things, but you can't fix this thing. Yeah, 660 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: you can't fix nothing. Yeah, and sometimes nothing feels easier. 661 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: I'm trying to like finde I love a good I 662 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: love a good quote brine, I'm a she loves it. 663 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: No that is I'm going to do a little video. Okay, 664 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: Lies That Bind? What is that going to be on? 665 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: Let me so it's a limited series, So what is 666 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: that going to be on? Um? The Lies That Bind? 667 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: We're developed develop uping it right now. So I read 668 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: the pilot, which is awesome. What is it going to be? 669 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: And um, we don't know. We we haven't brought it 670 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: out to streamership, so we have it to our an actress. 671 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: So I'll tell you after I'm gonna I'm already getting 672 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: in trouble like three times over right now. So but 673 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: it's a five parts, five shows. I read the pilot. 674 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's a little more um cat you'll like 675 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: it even more than you like my book. But that's 676 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: not to say you need to write the read the book. Yeah, 677 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: but it's it's even more twisty, you know, as because 678 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: TV that's what you need, right the hook at the 679 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: end of the first series. So, um, to wrap it up, 680 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: why should people read Meant to Be? They should read 681 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: all of them? But like, what's the thing and meant 682 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: to Be? And I know you said it's a love story, 683 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: but like, is there is there something that they're going 684 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: to really get from it that like, well, it's it's 685 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: um it's inspired by John Kennedy Jr. And Caroline Bassett 686 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: like icons obviously, like Carolin Massett's i'le icon And you know, 687 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,720 Speaker 1: the whole notion of what if, what would have happened 688 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: if they hadn't died in that plane crash sort of 689 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: inspired me to to write this book. But you know, 690 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: I think if you're looking for a beach read that 691 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: is a page turner. Like everyone says they read this 692 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 1: in like one sitting, which is sort of a depressing 693 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: thing to tell an author, because you're like, I took 694 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: two years of my life and you read it. You 695 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: didn't even get up to pee, Like, oh my gosh, wait, 696 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: but isn't that such a compliment. It is? Here's it's 697 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,879 Speaker 1: it is. I love when people say that normally four kids, 698 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: I would read your book in two days, Like I mean, 699 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: that's how fast? And like now it's obviously taking me 700 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: a little longer because like working kids. But like I 701 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: almost don't want to read it to be finished it, 702 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because then then what do 703 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: I have. I don't need the book. You'll have to 704 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: wait two years. It's exhausting to wait. I need you 705 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: to come on. It's an escape. Though, this book is 706 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: an escape. I've written some darker ones, like the one 707 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: set in Nashville. All we Ever Wanted was dark? My 708 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: name wasn't that one? Yeah? Yeah it was. It wasn't 709 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: always screamed um, but it's that's darker. If you want 710 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: like a darker book that really makes you think I do. 711 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: The Cobalt Blue and All we Ever Wanted but meant 712 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: to be is an escape And don't we all need 713 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: that right now? Yes? Don't we? I think we do Emily. 714 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 1: Where can all of our amazing listeners find you. I 715 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: won't give him your address, don't worry. Only I can 716 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 1: stalk her and find out her address. Um, you can 717 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: find me on Instagram at Emily Giffen author and I 718 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 1: have a book club if you're looking for one book 719 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: a month to read and then discuss. Um, it's at 720 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: e G Book Club, which, Um, it's a lot of 721 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 1: fun to just we chat with the author live and 722 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 1: um it's very so yeah, it's fun and um and yeah, 723 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: I just joined TikTok. Oh my gosh, that's a whole 724 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: new world. I just it's at Emily Emily giff An 725 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: author too. But I just joined it because my kids 726 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: are all three teenagers is and they're insisted that I 727 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: get on. And so I don't know how. I mean, 728 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: I don't do it often, But did you do it? 729 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: I mean everyone's mom. But I only know what I'm 730 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: not like creative enough. You are, figures you are. It's 731 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: just complicated, it's very compete. Um. We love you, Emily. 732 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: I love you too, Katherine. How you doing over there? Bad? Y'all? 733 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: Have fun, enjoy your wine, enjoy your time, ladies. That 734 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: was a lot of fun and um, I promise that 735 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: I will um not uh stalk you completely and you 736 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: can't know we're from I know it's true. I love you, 737 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: Um Catherine, love you. Get out of your closet okay. 738 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: By guys Susan Okoye. Nice to meet you.