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Speaker 1: Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is

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Speaker 1: a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts.

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Speaker 2: We Got Lots just say, we got lots to say?

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Speaker 3: What is better here?

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Speaker 4: And we hope you say because we got lost.

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Speaker 2: Just said, yeah, we got lots just say. Here's Bobby that.

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Speaker 5: Hey, welcome to another episode of Lots to Say. Hey,

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Speaker 5: what a family picture of you guys at USC. How

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Speaker 5: cool is that is it?

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Speaker 1: Because it was your.

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Speaker 5: Alma water, your wife's alma water, and you were working,

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Speaker 5: so he took ahole family.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well they went.

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Speaker 3: We went out there for Thanksgiving break family where it

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Speaker 3: was out there. And then obviously my wife is alumnus

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Speaker 3: my extended family, my brothers, my sister, all my nieces

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Speaker 1: So I brought the kids down.

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Speaker 3: And the funny part was we were doing the pregame

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Speaker 3: show and normally what we do is we look for

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Speaker 3: a big alumni to come bang the drum. It's like

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Speaker 3: the last segment before we go and push it to

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Speaker 3: the actual game. And we couldn't find anybody out on

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Speaker 3: the field, like no heavy hitters, so then the field

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Speaker 3: producer Wilkie comes up and goes, cas, we're just gonna

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Speaker 3: We're gonna use your family.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, was that idea? Yeah, So they

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Speaker 3: And the funniest part was my oldest son, who's only

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Speaker 3: twelve years old. He's sitting there and he's got a

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Speaker 3: stoic personality and they go to bang the drum and

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Speaker 3: You're like, all my other kids are smiling stuff, and

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Speaker 3: he's stone cold, and the He's just stone cold, no

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Speaker 3: facial expression. And Wilkie's like, I think your oldest son

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Speaker 3: was upset. I was like, no, that's just him, dude.

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Speaker 3: He's he's gonna be here all the time. But it

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Speaker 3: at the my alma mater for the last game of

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Speaker 3: the year was a good way to wrap it up.

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Speaker 1: It was a great picture. It was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm not comic guy, I'm not heart guy.

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Speaker 5: I wish I liked pictures on Instagram, because in my heart,

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Speaker 5: I do like a lot of pictures. I wish I

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Speaker 5: just got credit for liking pictures instead of liking them

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Speaker 5: with my thumb. Can I just scroll and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 5: that's good, that's good. But I actually was so compelled

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Speaker 1: Did you write it? Yeah? Oh thank you. I didn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't read my comments. Okay, I'm not liking

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Speaker 3: there comments probably two none. Look, I just don't click

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Speaker 3: great picture. Oh well, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It was fun. It was fun. It was good

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Speaker 3: But it was a crazy week because on Thanksgiving I

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Speaker 3: I got on a flight Sunday morning at six point

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Speaker 3: So you went California, New York, New York, California, and

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Speaker 1: That's long. Yeah. Did they at least put you in

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Speaker 3: It's a game changer. I mean it was a game changer.

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Speaker 3: on planes if I take the right pills? Yeah, Well

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Speaker 5: Well I don't take them anymore. I had some issues.

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Speaker 1: So I was struggling a little bit with sleep, obviously,

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Speaker 1: And finally I was like, I'm taking sleeping pills.

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Speaker 5: A doctor was like, you got to do it, and

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Speaker 1: Do you ever take a sleeping pills? They're crazy? They're

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Speaker 1: crazy if you go to sleep, dude.

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Speaker 3: The trippiness behind that, and you're like in this other

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Speaker 1: It's like the Twilight Zone.

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Speaker 5: It was so wild to me because I've never had

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Speaker 1: I'd like to be drunk a lot. I'd like to

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Speaker 3: Well, if you ever want to talk about it, I've

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Speaker 3: been there before, my reference and reference, So where do

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Speaker 5: I would take these pills and then I would be like,

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Speaker 1: I need to do some more work. That's the worst

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Speaker 5: And there I would black out and I would wake

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Speaker 1: And don't remember it isn't that wild. Once I drove, No,

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Speaker 5: I don't remember it, but I drove, and I drove

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Speaker 1: You're like Wolf of Wall Street. You know that scenery

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Speaker 3: I was like, dude, I got home safely, and then

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Speaker 5: It was so unsafe for me, and so I was like,

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Speaker 5: I'd never been anywhere like overseas or even on a

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Speaker 5: I went to Ireland to finish my second book because

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Speaker 5: If I go to Ireland seven hours eight hours ahead,

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Speaker 1: Who today? This is the moment? And I thought what if?

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Speaker 5: Because I could have easily been one of those dudes

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Speaker 1: Was so out of control. Yeah, I wouldn't have known it.

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Speaker 1: And that was so scary to me. It wasn't the

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Speaker 5: You've taken a sleeping pill before, judge, So that's why

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Speaker 5: I stopped taking them. But if I take the right pills,

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Speaker 5: funniest stories about traveling internationally. It's not my story, and

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Speaker 5: And so it was the night before and we're having

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Speaker 6: And he has never taken a step backwards. Yeah, we's

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Speaker 6: been at the top of his game. And I say again,

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Speaker 6: he is the greatest. The only negative thing I would

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Speaker 6: most humble, giving generous guy ever, is that he was

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Speaker 1: He's kind of a little late. Hey, it's it's you're

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Speaker 1: on his time, bab Listen. It was kind of on

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Speaker 3: You want this superstar, it's when I want to show

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Speaker 1: And of all the things, that's the only thing.

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Speaker 5: Because he was the greatest guy, and we would sit

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Speaker 5: at dinner and he would tell great stories. We tell

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Speaker 5: stories about Rita Franklin, like voicemails from her before she died,

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Speaker 5: and he kept on his phone. He's just generous, right

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Speaker 5: generous with the stories. And he was talking about he

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Speaker 5: was like, we're flying to Europe and we couldn't get

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Speaker 5: a jet, a private jet to take us.

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Speaker 1: That's really tough. So we flew commercial first class.

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Speaker 3: And he called that rat class. He didn't but I've

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Speaker 3: never actually heard that. That's funny. Rat class so he

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Speaker 3: he must not, you know, fly commercial. I mean I've

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Speaker 5: Seats west if we're going to California, can no chance.

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Speaker 3: big question as you like Kevin. Can you the members vodcast?

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Speaker 1: Andre three thousand? Yes? Andre? What three thousand? Okay?

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Speaker 1: I want to go like it. No, I'm not even

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Speaker 1: This is right.

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Speaker 1: Anybody you're famous?

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Speaker 5: The only difference is he's a little grayer and he

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Speaker 5: I didn't want to bother him, but you had to

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Speaker 5: Is there anybody that you'd go up to?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: There are people, yes.

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Speaker 5: And so we're getting off into the airport and occasionally

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Speaker 3: Hey dude in the Country Hall of Fame for Youngest

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Speaker 1: And like, nobody cares. I sent back my Dancing with

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Speaker 5: Because he I believe they might be I did have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how coolose it you want to collab now that

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Speaker 3: We're out at a steak restaurant and normally people would

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Speaker 3: that's rad. This guy's a mega superstar megas superstar. Markey.

438
00:18:37,656 --> 00:18:40,656
Speaker 3: Did I jammed that back in the day. Hell yeah.

439
00:18:40,936 --> 00:18:43,576
Speaker 3: I mean so that was a cool interaction right there.

440
00:18:43,576 --> 00:18:45,295
Speaker 3: But that was a few and far between where you

441
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Speaker 3: get like a mega superstar fan that's a sports fan.

442
00:18:49,176 --> 00:18:51,015
Speaker 3: And that's the only reason he talked to me. Otherwise

443
00:18:51,056 --> 00:18:53,416
Speaker 3: you wouldn't even know anything about it. But it just

444
00:18:53,416 --> 00:18:55,215
Speaker 3: just so happened that I aligned with that.

445
00:18:55,215 --> 00:18:59,495
Speaker 1: That's also like Boston loving their athletes. Oh that city's wild.

446
00:19:00,016 --> 00:19:04,216
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like they're such fanatical, passionate sports fan.

447
00:19:04,296 --> 00:19:06,856
Speaker 1: If you're winning the pedestal, you guys like crazy.

448
00:19:07,136 --> 00:19:08,936
Speaker 3: And it was incredible to be in Boston at the

449
00:19:08,936 --> 00:19:11,255
Speaker 3: time that I was too, because the Celtics won a championship.

450
00:19:11,296 --> 00:19:13,696
Speaker 3: The Boston Red Sox won a championship. The city was

451
00:19:13,735 --> 00:19:14,255
Speaker 3: on fire.

452
00:19:14,455 --> 00:19:17,215
Speaker 1: See, I think I'd want to be the only team winning. Yeah, selfishly,

453
00:19:17,256 --> 00:19:19,336
Speaker 1: that was yeah. I think they had right. They'd won

454
00:19:19,376 --> 00:19:21,975
Speaker 1: three Super Bowls the year before I got there.

455
00:19:22,016 --> 00:19:24,576
Speaker 3: They just accomplished their third Super Bowl, so we were

456
00:19:25,096 --> 00:19:25,736
Speaker 3: in the heyday.

457
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Speaker 5: Ken Belson is coming up next. This guy is veteran

458
00:19:30,136 --> 00:19:33,015
Speaker 5: New York Times reporter. He's got a book called Every

459
00:19:33,096 --> 00:19:35,816
Speaker 5: Day of Sunday. It's basically Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, and

460
00:19:35,896 --> 00:19:37,975
Speaker 5: Roger Goodell and how they've made the NFL so big.

461
00:19:38,735 --> 00:19:41,015
Speaker 1: I'm excited about this interview. We will do that next.

462
00:19:56,536 --> 00:19:57,855
Speaker 1: We're gonna bring on Ken Belson.

463
00:19:57,896 --> 00:19:59,896
Speaker 5: Now we're gonna talk about every Day of Sunday and

464
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna read the what do you call this th

465
00:20:04,215 --> 00:20:07,296
Speaker 5: Because I wrote books and it it was like the title, Hey, Ken,

466
00:20:07,336 --> 00:20:08,696
Speaker 5: what do you call the thing? I'm about to read

467
00:20:08,735 --> 00:20:11,656
Speaker 5: how Jerry Jones, Robert Craft, Roger Goodell turned the NFL

468
00:20:11,816 --> 00:20:13,775
Speaker 5: into a cultural and economic juggernaut.

469
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Speaker 1: What's the official titles? What is that called a subheader?

470
00:20:16,856 --> 00:20:19,016
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sub subtitle or a subhead?

471
00:20:19,096 --> 00:20:21,576
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Anyway, the book's called every Day a Sunday,

472
00:20:21,776 --> 00:20:23,416
Speaker 5: and if you were to do the whole thing, it

473
00:20:23,455 --> 00:20:25,816
Speaker 5: would take you like an hour. But that's awesome, because

474
00:20:25,936 --> 00:20:28,336
Speaker 5: I mean these are as far as like sports culture,

475
00:20:28,576 --> 00:20:31,256
Speaker 5: you really get no bigger than these three.

476
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Speaker 1: I want to ask first about Roger Goodell.

477
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Speaker 5: I met Roger Goodell once and he had the absolute

478
00:20:37,176 --> 00:20:40,376
Speaker 5: strongest handshake of any man that I have ever shaken

479
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Speaker 5: hands with. Have you ever shaken Roger Goodell's hand?

480
00:20:44,336 --> 00:20:44,536
Speaker 2: Yeah?

481
00:20:44,656 --> 00:20:47,215
Speaker 8: Not only have I done that, but he like like

482
00:20:47,296 --> 00:20:51,015
Speaker 8: did a chest pump thing that he wants that. It

483
00:20:51,056 --> 00:20:53,256
Speaker 8: felt like I was back in the high school football

484
00:20:54,256 --> 00:20:56,896
Speaker 8: locker room thing. And this is the weird thing is

485
00:20:56,936 --> 00:21:00,255
Speaker 8: it was in federal court. I was covering the Sunday

486
00:21:00,256 --> 00:21:03,896
Speaker 8: ticket trial, which is in LA in twenty twenty four,

487
00:21:04,176 --> 00:21:06,656
Speaker 8: and he the reason that I went that particular day

488
00:21:06,856 --> 00:21:09,936
Speaker 8: was that Roger was on the stand, which is very

489
00:21:09,975 --> 00:21:12,775
Speaker 8: unusual to see a commissioner in a federal trial on

490
00:21:12,816 --> 00:21:15,615
Speaker 8: the court on the in the jury, on the on

491
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Speaker 8: the stand. And so he had he had finished the

492
00:21:18,735 --> 00:21:21,816
Speaker 8: morning session, and he knew I was there because I

493
00:21:21,816 --> 00:21:23,376
Speaker 8: had said a lot to him at the beginning, and

494
00:21:23,416 --> 00:21:25,416
Speaker 8: when he walked out. You know, he walked through the aisle,

495
00:21:25,455 --> 00:21:27,656
Speaker 8: the middle aisle, and you know, the reporters and the

496
00:21:27,735 --> 00:21:29,616
Speaker 8: lawyers were all standing up to stretch because it was

497
00:21:29,656 --> 00:21:31,376
Speaker 8: a lunch break, and he went past me and he

498
00:21:31,416 --> 00:21:35,376
Speaker 8: like took his fist and he like pounded my chest

499
00:21:35,576 --> 00:21:38,096
Speaker 8: like hey bro, and it was it was kind of

500
00:21:38,096 --> 00:21:41,816
Speaker 8: startling strong man. But yeah, so he's a strong guy,

501
00:21:42,176 --> 00:21:44,056
Speaker 8: very big, relatively big.

502
00:21:44,296 --> 00:21:48,696
Speaker 5: You had talked about mister Goodell and kind of compared

503
00:21:48,776 --> 00:21:52,656
Speaker 5: him to like a whip, a Senate majority leader, like uh,

504
00:21:52,696 --> 00:21:56,136
Speaker 5: and I because what we know of him is the face.

505
00:21:57,056 --> 00:21:59,416
Speaker 5: We know he's making decisions, but we don't really get

506
00:21:59,416 --> 00:22:01,975
Speaker 5: to see how that sausage is made. Like what do

507
00:22:02,016 --> 00:22:03,295
Speaker 5: you think his superpower is?

508
00:22:03,856 --> 00:22:06,176
Speaker 8: Yeah, so that's that's a great operation. I'm glad you

509
00:22:06,256 --> 00:22:09,376
Speaker 8: brought it up because I think the average fan looks

510
00:22:09,376 --> 00:22:11,576
Speaker 8: at him and says, Okay, he's the guy I boo

511
00:22:12,256 --> 00:22:16,656
Speaker 8: on draft day. He's the guy responsible for my team's

512
00:22:16,776 --> 00:22:20,296
Speaker 8: favorite running back for being suspended or whatever it is

513
00:22:19,776 --> 00:22:22,936
Speaker 8: he takes. That's part of his job, which is to

514
00:22:23,016 --> 00:22:26,775
Speaker 8: police the league itself, the players, But in reality, the

515
00:22:26,776 --> 00:22:30,376
Speaker 8: people who hire him are the owners, the NFL unlike

516
00:22:30,455 --> 00:22:32,176
Speaker 8: most of the other leagues, or are compared to the

517
00:22:32,256 --> 00:22:36,416
Speaker 8: other leagues, is much more owner driven. Everything has to

518
00:22:36,455 --> 00:22:39,735
Speaker 8: go to vote twenty four minimum of twenty four. So

519
00:22:40,696 --> 00:22:42,736
Speaker 8: I mean, Roger has his own ideas and his own

520
00:22:42,816 --> 00:22:45,896
Speaker 8: vision for the league, but he doesn't necessarily drive the bus.

521
00:22:46,376 --> 00:22:50,136
Speaker 8: He's kind of really good at synthesizing what the owners

522
00:22:50,256 --> 00:22:52,896
Speaker 8: want and what their visions are. And frankly, you know,

523
00:22:53,136 --> 00:22:56,815
Speaker 8: there's some prettiest student owners on the media front. What

524
00:22:56,816 --> 00:23:00,496
Speaker 8: do they do about gambling International? I'm sure AI will

525
00:23:00,495 --> 00:23:03,456
Speaker 8: come up a year or two. So these owners are

526
00:23:03,455 --> 00:23:06,656
Speaker 8: smart from their own businesses, and Er sort of channels them.

527
00:23:07,256 --> 00:23:09,656
Speaker 8: And so that's why I compared him to a Senate whip,

528
00:23:09,656 --> 00:23:11,495
Speaker 8: because he's always looking for how do I get to

529
00:23:11,536 --> 00:23:15,096
Speaker 8: twenty four votes? And you know, on rare occasions he

530
00:23:15,136 --> 00:23:18,616
Speaker 8: puts himself out there, one being like the Tush push

531
00:23:18,776 --> 00:23:21,776
Speaker 8: a couple of a year ago, and it actually failed.

532
00:23:22,056 --> 00:23:24,536
Speaker 8: That was a rare instance where Roger was kind of

533
00:23:25,455 --> 00:23:27,696
Speaker 8: was in front on that issue. But most of the

534
00:23:27,735 --> 00:23:31,015
Speaker 8: time he's just channeling what the owners want and what

535
00:23:31,056 --> 00:23:33,376
Speaker 8: he thinks, you know, will be better for the league

536
00:23:33,416 --> 00:23:34,896
Speaker 8: and frankly, to make them more money.

537
00:23:34,896 --> 00:23:36,176
Speaker 2: I think is the bottom line.

538
00:23:36,896 --> 00:23:39,255
Speaker 3: In the book, you talk about the powerbrokers being Jerry

539
00:23:39,336 --> 00:23:41,975
Speaker 3: Jones Robert Kraft, two guys. Actually I was part of

540
00:23:42,016 --> 00:23:45,176
Speaker 3: both of their organizations and two very different personalities.

541
00:23:45,576 --> 00:23:48,416
Speaker 1: But how in this.

542
00:23:48,136 --> 00:23:51,056
Speaker 3: Market that you're talking about, in the marketplace in the NFL,

543
00:23:51,256 --> 00:23:53,376
Speaker 3: how do they compliment each other and how do they

544
00:23:53,416 --> 00:23:54,856
Speaker 3: also compete against each other?

545
00:23:55,455 --> 00:24:00,856
Speaker 8: Yeah, great question. Obviously they compete on the field. They

546
00:24:01,056 --> 00:24:03,416
Speaker 8: totally compliment each other in the ways I didn't fully

547
00:24:03,455 --> 00:24:07,215
Speaker 8: appreciate when I started doing the reporting. Jerry is like

548
00:24:07,336 --> 00:24:11,896
Speaker 8: this bubbling idea guy. He's like the mad scientist. He's

549
00:24:11,936 --> 00:24:16,296
Speaker 8: constantly looking at ways where can we promote the NFL.

550
00:24:17,056 --> 00:24:20,896
Speaker 8: He is the absolute firms believer in the power of

551
00:24:20,975 --> 00:24:24,176
Speaker 8: the shield and has from the time he took over.

552
00:24:24,256 --> 00:24:26,816
Speaker 8: It's one of the reasons he bought the Cowboys, and

553
00:24:26,896 --> 00:24:29,455
Speaker 8: so he's constantly coming up ideas. But he is not

554
00:24:29,735 --> 00:24:34,295
Speaker 8: necessarily the closer, and sometimes he can just wear people

555
00:24:34,336 --> 00:24:37,176
Speaker 8: out with his ideas. There's a great quote from Robert

556
00:24:37,735 --> 00:24:40,495
Speaker 8: about Jerry. He could charm a dog off a meat truck.

557
00:24:41,455 --> 00:24:44,616
Speaker 8: You know, he's just he works the phones. He still

558
00:24:44,616 --> 00:24:48,296
Speaker 8: has a flip phone, I think, and He's constantly just selling.

559
00:24:49,176 --> 00:24:51,735
Speaker 8: It's not about the money, It's about the deal and

560
00:24:51,776 --> 00:24:52,295
Speaker 8: the chase.

561
00:24:52,576 --> 00:24:52,976
Speaker 2: And so.

562
00:24:54,455 --> 00:24:56,255
Speaker 8: Where is Robert, I think is a little more in

563
00:24:56,296 --> 00:24:58,856
Speaker 8: the shadows, in the sense that he is more the closer,

564
00:24:59,735 --> 00:25:01,576
Speaker 8: the guy who tries to get to a win win

565
00:25:01,856 --> 00:25:05,296
Speaker 8: for say the networks in the league or a sponsor

566
00:25:05,455 --> 00:25:07,776
Speaker 8: in the league. And I think that is Robert's skill.

567
00:25:07,856 --> 00:25:10,856
Speaker 8: He's a bit more diplomatic. He's not necessarily the ideas guy,

568
00:25:11,296 --> 00:25:12,936
Speaker 8: but he's the guy that can get it over the

569
00:25:12,936 --> 00:25:13,736
Speaker 8: finish line.

570
00:25:13,856 --> 00:25:19,176
Speaker 5: I'm curious your perception and experience with Jerry Jones. Both

571
00:25:19,416 --> 00:25:21,936
Speaker 5: Matt and I have a different relationship with him, but

572
00:25:22,016 --> 00:25:25,176
Speaker 5: both were so good in that Matt has told the

573
00:25:25,215 --> 00:25:26,856
Speaker 5: story here where Jerry Jones is like we want you.

574
00:25:26,896 --> 00:25:28,416
Speaker 5: We're going to send the plane to get your family,

575
00:25:28,536 --> 00:25:32,736
Speaker 5: like glowing reviews. I emailed the random Dallas Cowboy website

576
00:25:32,735 --> 00:25:34,616
Speaker 5: once because I didn't know how to get hold of Jerry.

577
00:25:34,776 --> 00:25:36,776
Speaker 5: Next thing you know, I'm in the chopper with Jerry

578
00:25:36,816 --> 00:25:39,455
Speaker 5: and his family. It's literally five of us. It's him,

579
00:25:39,495 --> 00:25:42,056
Speaker 5: his son, me and my wife and like my friends

580
00:25:42,296 --> 00:25:45,096
Speaker 5: and Jerry's taken us in the chopper where Landing's walking

581
00:25:45,136 --> 00:25:47,056
Speaker 5: us around. He's like, these people don't want to see

582
00:25:47,056 --> 00:25:49,015
Speaker 5: me there, And like I was so used to use

583
00:25:49,056 --> 00:25:49,616
Speaker 5: the word charms.

584
00:25:49,656 --> 00:25:50,736
Speaker 1: I was so charmed.

585
00:25:51,056 --> 00:25:54,336
Speaker 5: Like is that generally what he does to people is

586
00:25:54,376 --> 00:25:56,896
Speaker 5: make them love him because both of us had such

587
00:25:56,896 --> 00:25:58,296
Speaker 5: a wonderful relationship.

588
00:25:58,536 --> 00:26:02,656
Speaker 8: Yeah, Jerry is a natural. It's just in his blood.

589
00:26:02,696 --> 00:26:04,815
Speaker 8: You could tell a part of his story. I was

590
00:26:04,856 --> 00:26:06,975
Speaker 8: not the first reported he tells it all the time.

591
00:26:07,376 --> 00:26:09,255
Speaker 8: Was when he was a kid and growing up in

592
00:26:09,696 --> 00:26:12,456
Speaker 8: Little Rock, North Little Rock, his dad had a grocery

593
00:26:12,495 --> 00:26:16,176
Speaker 8: store and to bring in customers, they basically put little

594
00:26:16,256 --> 00:26:19,255
Speaker 8: Jerry up there in cowboy outfits to kind of charm

595
00:26:19,336 --> 00:26:22,896
Speaker 8: the moms coming in to do grocery shopping. So he's

596
00:26:22,936 --> 00:26:25,735
Speaker 8: been kind of a showman from a very young age,

597
00:26:25,776 --> 00:26:29,255
Speaker 8: and he understood the connection between being a good showman

598
00:26:29,376 --> 00:26:33,215
Speaker 8: and making money literally helping his dad sell groceries by

599
00:26:33,495 --> 00:26:37,616
Speaker 8: by presenting entertainment, cute entertainment. And it's just in his

600
00:26:37,656 --> 00:26:40,055
Speaker 8: bloody he has that kind of twinkle. I'll tell you

601
00:26:40,096 --> 00:26:42,256
Speaker 8: one other story. I've been up in a helicopter too,

602
00:26:42,296 --> 00:26:45,575
Speaker 8: and with him and he doesn't know how to use

603
00:26:45,616 --> 00:26:50,936
Speaker 8: the headset and he was yeah, exactly you got to

604
00:26:50,975 --> 00:26:52,896
Speaker 8: hit the button the talk and whatever. It was a

605
00:26:52,936 --> 00:26:56,176
Speaker 8: total fiasco, totally. I couldn't hear a word he's saying.

606
00:26:56,176 --> 00:26:59,136
Speaker 8: It was so noisy. And so we take we're in

607
00:26:59,215 --> 00:27:03,096
Speaker 8: we're going around the Star in Frisco, and the photographer

608
00:27:03,136 --> 00:27:03,416
Speaker 8: loved it.

609
00:27:03,495 --> 00:27:05,336
Speaker 2: Right, we're getting in these aerial photos. We get back

610
00:27:05,576 --> 00:27:07,295
Speaker 2: love Field and.

611
00:27:07,176 --> 00:27:11,376
Speaker 8: He he has that kind of charm and he's like, yeah,

612
00:27:11,495 --> 00:27:14,256
Speaker 8: I think we should talk some more because I had

613
00:27:14,296 --> 00:27:16,936
Speaker 8: like nothing in my notebook And we sat in the

614
00:27:16,975 --> 00:27:19,696
Speaker 8: hangar at a table for another hour and a half.

615
00:27:20,176 --> 00:27:22,975
Speaker 8: Like I'm sure he was booked and had to go somewhere,

616
00:27:23,016 --> 00:27:25,416
Speaker 8: but Jerry was going to finish that and I had come,

617
00:27:25,576 --> 00:27:28,376
Speaker 8: you know, down in Dallas to do that interview. So like,

618
00:27:28,455 --> 00:27:30,576
Speaker 8: that's the guy who's committed a lot of other people.

619
00:27:30,816 --> 00:27:32,776
Speaker 8: First all, they wouldn't have taken me up in a helicopter,

620
00:27:32,856 --> 00:27:35,616
Speaker 8: and number two wouldn't have spent twice as much time

621
00:27:35,656 --> 00:27:37,775
Speaker 8: with me just to make sure I had what I needed.

622
00:27:38,056 --> 00:27:40,775
Speaker 3: Do you think this the NFL would have the same

623
00:27:40,856 --> 00:27:45,936
Speaker 3: success without a Jerry Jones, without Robert Kraft or Roger Goodell,

624
00:27:46,056 --> 00:27:49,056
Speaker 3: Like how much of an impact have they had that

625
00:27:49,136 --> 00:27:52,056
Speaker 3: maybe otherwise the NFL wouldn't have the same success.

626
00:27:52,215 --> 00:27:54,416
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think about that a lot. You know, the

627
00:27:54,656 --> 00:27:58,136
Speaker 8: what ifs. You know, Jerry and Robert this is in

628
00:27:58,215 --> 00:28:01,576
Speaker 8: the Jerry came in eighty nine and Robert in ninety four.

629
00:28:02,016 --> 00:28:05,216
Speaker 8: At that time, paid record amounts for their team teams,

630
00:28:05,416 --> 00:28:07,656
Speaker 8: and I mean it's hard to believe Jerry paid one

631
00:28:07,735 --> 00:28:10,455
Speaker 8: hundred and fifteen million for the Cowboys. They were like

632
00:28:10,616 --> 00:28:14,896
Speaker 8: twelve billion now, but that was big money when it

633
00:28:14,936 --> 00:28:17,536
Speaker 8: went to nine figures, when it passed one hundred million.

634
00:28:17,656 --> 00:28:20,416
Speaker 8: Now you're kind of talking about a slimmer group of

635
00:28:20,416 --> 00:28:23,376
Speaker 8: people able to get into the NFL. And they were

636
00:28:23,416 --> 00:28:26,736
Speaker 8: part of a wave in the nineties of like wealthy

637
00:28:26,816 --> 00:28:29,495
Speaker 8: business people, smart business people were coming in, not just

638
00:28:29,536 --> 00:28:33,495
Speaker 8: football people and not people just interested in dabbling. And

639
00:28:33,576 --> 00:28:37,295
Speaker 8: so you had Wayne Heisinger in Miami, he owned Blockbuster

640
00:28:37,376 --> 00:28:40,616
Speaker 8: and a bunch of other things. Jeffrey Lourie from the

641
00:28:40,696 --> 00:28:44,815
Speaker 8: Loew's hotel chain. So you have like bigger money people

642
00:28:44,856 --> 00:28:47,536
Speaker 8: coming in. So they were not alone, and I think

643
00:28:47,576 --> 00:28:51,216
Speaker 8: that changed the thinking in the league from hey, football

644
00:28:51,376 --> 00:28:53,536
Speaker 8: is played. You know, you go to mass then you

645
00:28:53,576 --> 00:28:55,696
Speaker 8: come to the stadium, then you play at one o'clock

646
00:28:55,696 --> 00:28:57,976
Speaker 8: and you go home. And then you got people like

647
00:28:58,056 --> 00:29:00,696
Speaker 8: Jerry and Robert who went into debt to buy their

648
00:29:00,736 --> 00:29:03,896
Speaker 8: teams and they really needed new ideas to make back

649
00:29:03,936 --> 00:29:07,296
Speaker 8: their money, so that really fueled it. I think Jerry

650
00:29:07,296 --> 00:29:11,176
Speaker 8: and Robert were probably the best equipped. I think Heisinger

651
00:29:11,216 --> 00:29:13,976
Speaker 8: had lots of other businesses and he was partly distracted

652
00:29:14,696 --> 00:29:17,416
Speaker 8: Jeffrey Lorie just you know, doesn't want to necessarily lead

653
00:29:17,456 --> 00:29:21,136
Speaker 8: from the front. But Jerry and Robert definitely were part

654
00:29:21,136 --> 00:29:24,576
Speaker 8: of that wave. But they were very much more willing

655
00:29:24,656 --> 00:29:27,376
Speaker 8: to put in the extra hours on behalf of the league,

656
00:29:27,496 --> 00:29:30,616
Speaker 8: not just their teams. So I'd say that's why it

657
00:29:30,656 --> 00:29:32,216
Speaker 8: would have been a very different league. I don't think

658
00:29:32,216 --> 00:29:34,176
Speaker 8: they would have grown as quickly. They would have grown,

659
00:29:34,176 --> 00:29:35,456
Speaker 8: but not nearly as quickly.

660
00:29:35,816 --> 00:29:38,936
Speaker 5: The book definitely covers economic growth and just growth in

661
00:29:38,976 --> 00:29:41,416
Speaker 5: general of the sport, because in our life we have

662
00:29:41,496 --> 00:29:44,856
Speaker 5: seen an NFL boom. Any chance, this is just your

663
00:29:44,896 --> 00:29:48,216
Speaker 5: opinion here, did the NFL at times grow too fast

664
00:29:48,336 --> 00:29:49,256
Speaker 5: they couldn't keep up.

665
00:29:49,576 --> 00:29:52,296
Speaker 8: It's a great question, and frankly you're the first person

666
00:29:52,296 --> 00:29:55,776
Speaker 8: to ask it that way. So yeah, there's a question

667
00:29:55,816 --> 00:29:59,896
Speaker 8: of like how much is too much the NFL and

668
00:30:00,216 --> 00:30:05,056
Speaker 8: Paul Tagibow's period is really where it most took hold.

669
00:30:06,376 --> 00:30:08,696
Speaker 8: But there was you know, there's NFL Properties, which is

670
00:30:08,776 --> 00:30:12,736
Speaker 8: the for profit arm of the NFL. The NFL league

671
00:30:12,736 --> 00:30:17,176
Speaker 8: itself is just you know, governs the sport. And those

672
00:30:17,176 --> 00:30:19,496
Speaker 8: were the wild West days in the eighties and the

673
00:30:19,536 --> 00:30:22,656
Speaker 8: early nineties where they were signing deals all over the place,

674
00:30:23,296 --> 00:30:28,216
Speaker 8: different sponsorships. You know, you didn't have necessarily exclusivity, so

675
00:30:28,256 --> 00:30:31,296
Speaker 8: you didn't have like Nike as the official parel company.

676
00:30:31,536 --> 00:30:34,376
Speaker 8: So you have like six companies, and at that point

677
00:30:34,576 --> 00:30:37,576
Speaker 8: it gets kind of chaotic because everybody's kind of grabbing

678
00:30:37,616 --> 00:30:40,096
Speaker 8: it the same. There's you can you can saturate the

679
00:30:40,136 --> 00:30:43,696
Speaker 8: market if it's not done carefully, and so yes, there

680
00:30:43,736 --> 00:30:46,976
Speaker 8: was in some ways it was a hungry period and

681
00:30:47,016 --> 00:30:48,976
Speaker 8: there was money to be made, but it was it

682
00:30:49,016 --> 00:30:52,056
Speaker 8: was the sales team was kind of running the show

683
00:30:52,216 --> 00:30:54,856
Speaker 8: and without the same kind of game plan. I think

684
00:30:54,896 --> 00:30:57,976
Speaker 8: when Paul Tagubu comes in in nineteen eighty nine, one

685
00:30:57,976 --> 00:31:00,296
Speaker 8: of the first things he does, or a year or

686
00:31:00,336 --> 00:31:03,336
Speaker 8: two into it, he settles the labor problem. Players get

687
00:31:03,336 --> 00:31:04,096
Speaker 8: free agency.

688
00:31:04,576 --> 00:31:05,136
Speaker 2: That was like a.

689
00:31:05,056 --> 00:31:08,616
Speaker 8: Big, big deal obviously, and then there's revenue sharing. But

690
00:31:08,696 --> 00:31:11,575
Speaker 8: then he hires a guy named Neil Austrian who is

691
00:31:11,616 --> 00:31:13,896
Speaker 8: in the early part of the book. And Neil is

692
00:31:13,936 --> 00:31:17,136
Speaker 8: a very experienced business person, not a sports guy. He

693
00:31:17,176 --> 00:31:20,416
Speaker 8: worked at Warner Brothers, he worked in IBM, lots of

694
00:31:20,416 --> 00:31:23,136
Speaker 8: corporate experience, and he basically said, you run the business.

695
00:31:23,656 --> 00:31:26,856
Speaker 8: And at that point the NFL said, okay, let's rationalize this.

696
00:31:27,376 --> 00:31:30,896
Speaker 8: So you had Sunday ticket came in in ninety four,

697
00:31:31,336 --> 00:31:35,416
Speaker 8: and then the league starts signing exclusivity, the exclusive deals.

698
00:31:35,416 --> 00:31:38,016
Speaker 8: So instead of having five apparel makers, they say, let's

699
00:31:38,016 --> 00:31:40,656
Speaker 8: just go with Reebok. Instead of having a bunch of

700
00:31:40,696 --> 00:31:43,856
Speaker 8: different soda companies, let's just do coke. And so you

701
00:31:43,896 --> 00:31:46,856
Speaker 8: could charge a premium for that exclusivity. And so I

702
00:31:46,856 --> 00:31:49,976
Speaker 8: think that kind of streamlined the business, and that those

703
00:31:50,016 --> 00:31:53,256
Speaker 8: wild West days of you know, sales guys just signing

704
00:31:53,296 --> 00:31:56,216
Speaker 8: deals left and right kind of dissolved a little bit

705
00:31:56,336 --> 00:31:58,176
Speaker 8: and the NFL.

706
00:31:57,856 --> 00:31:58,976
Speaker 2: Became a little more efficient.

707
00:31:59,016 --> 00:32:15,616
Speaker 9: I guess it was a better way of looking at it.

708
00:32:15,696 --> 00:32:16,896
Speaker 1: In the foreseeable future.

709
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Speaker 3: Do you see anything that could hinder the growth of

710
00:32:20,016 --> 00:32:22,056
Speaker 3: the NFL? I mean, the one thing that I can

711
00:32:22,136 --> 00:32:24,696
Speaker 3: only think of as a collective bargaining agreement that they

712
00:32:24,696 --> 00:32:25,216
Speaker 3: can't come to.

713
00:32:25,176 --> 00:32:26,176
Speaker 1: The table on both sides.

714
00:32:26,216 --> 00:32:29,936
Speaker 3: Because I was part of the lockout in twenty eleven,

715
00:32:29,976 --> 00:32:32,575
Speaker 3: I believe it was, and it was back and forth,

716
00:32:32,776 --> 00:32:34,776
Speaker 3: and that's the only thing that I could see in

717
00:32:34,816 --> 00:32:36,976
Speaker 3: the foreseeable future that would slow down the growth.

718
00:32:36,976 --> 00:32:39,056
Speaker 1: But I would love to hear your opinion on that, sure.

719
00:32:39,096 --> 00:32:42,736
Speaker 8: I mean, obviously, labor is huge in the union right now,

720
00:32:42,816 --> 00:32:46,176
Speaker 8: doesn't just have an interim leader. So there's issues on

721
00:32:46,216 --> 00:32:49,096
Speaker 8: the player side as well, and that's always out there,

722
00:32:49,096 --> 00:32:52,016
Speaker 8: although I think there's still several years away, another half

723
00:32:52,056 --> 00:32:55,136
Speaker 8: decade ago on the current deal, but there's a lot

724
00:32:55,136 --> 00:32:57,576
Speaker 8: of stuff out there. Just think of let's talk really

725
00:32:57,616 --> 00:33:01,136
Speaker 8: broadly about the demographics of America. There's just essentially a

726
00:33:01,176 --> 00:33:04,816
Speaker 8: slowing birth rate, which means fewer kids, which means fewer

727
00:33:04,856 --> 00:33:08,936
Speaker 8: young athlete, which potentially means fewer young football players, and

728
00:33:08,976 --> 00:33:12,936
Speaker 8: potentially fewer NFL fans. And that is what's driving part

729
00:33:12,976 --> 00:33:16,376
Speaker 8: of what's driving the NFL to play overseas to find

730
00:33:16,416 --> 00:33:18,776
Speaker 8: new fans. I mean, you know, ninety three out of

731
00:33:18,816 --> 00:33:21,896
Speaker 8: the top one hundred broadcasts a few years ago were

732
00:33:21,976 --> 00:33:25,536
Speaker 8: NFL games, Like how much more can you saturate American

733
00:33:25,696 --> 00:33:29,056
Speaker 8: audiences with football? And they're not even at the eighteenth

734
00:33:29,136 --> 00:33:33,336
Speaker 8: game yet. So that's one is just the demographics of America.

735
00:33:33,376 --> 00:33:36,056
Speaker 8: And by the way, you know, baseball and other sports

736
00:33:36,096 --> 00:33:38,336
Speaker 8: deal with this too. And then you get gambling, which

737
00:33:38,336 --> 00:33:41,815
Speaker 8: we haven't discussed yet, and that is already changing the

738
00:33:41,856 --> 00:33:46,536
Speaker 8: contours the relationship with the fans. It's really fracturing, frankly,

739
00:33:46,736 --> 00:33:50,136
Speaker 8: the way people watch sports in general, but particularly the NFL.

740
00:33:50,376 --> 00:33:53,296
Speaker 8: Now you're literally betting on your phone in real time,

741
00:33:53,936 --> 00:33:57,776
Speaker 8: and so the whole viewing experience is completely distorted. Instead

742
00:33:57,776 --> 00:33:59,576
Speaker 8: of waiting until the end of the game to find

743
00:33:59,576 --> 00:34:01,456
Speaker 8: the score, you're betting on plays in the middle of

744
00:34:01,456 --> 00:34:04,776
Speaker 8: the game. And I just think that like this, it

745
00:34:04,816 --> 00:34:08,016
Speaker 8: has fracked sure the sports viewing experience, and I think

746
00:34:08,016 --> 00:34:10,895
Speaker 8: the league's plural are going to have a challenge. There's

747
00:34:10,896 --> 00:34:13,776
Speaker 8: a great book called Dopamine Nation, and this is just

748
00:34:13,856 --> 00:34:17,696
Speaker 8: part of a larger trend of you know, fantasy football

749
00:34:17,736 --> 00:34:20,936
Speaker 8: being one but smartphones, you know, and when I started

750
00:34:20,936 --> 00:34:23,776
Speaker 8: playing fantasy football twenty five years ago, I had to

751
00:34:23,776 --> 00:34:27,496
Speaker 8: go to a desktop computer and refresh eighteen times to

752
00:34:27,536 --> 00:34:30,296
Speaker 8: get my score. You know, these days, it's on my

753
00:34:30,376 --> 00:34:34,976
Speaker 8: phone automatically. So yeah, it's not just an NFL problem,

754
00:34:34,976 --> 00:34:37,056
Speaker 8: but it is an acute problem.

755
00:34:37,256 --> 00:34:39,016
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to go back to Roger Goodell for

756
00:34:39,056 --> 00:34:42,736
Speaker 3: a second, and he's had to navigate through a lot,

757
00:34:44,016 --> 00:34:47,616
Speaker 3: and I'm talking about concussions. I'm talking about social injustice

758
00:34:48,696 --> 00:34:53,456
Speaker 3: and what would you say was his biggest accomplishment while

759
00:34:53,496 --> 00:34:56,136
Speaker 3: he has been a leader of the NFL.

760
00:34:56,056 --> 00:35:00,056
Speaker 8: So, you know, credit where it's due, the whole concussion protocol,

761
00:35:00,376 --> 00:35:02,616
Speaker 8: just as an example, taking a player out of a game,

762
00:35:02,736 --> 00:35:08,976
Speaker 8: having spotters and neurologists on the sidelines, players themselves self diagnosing,

763
00:35:10,096 --> 00:35:10,936
Speaker 8: you know, the blue tent.

764
00:35:11,656 --> 00:35:14,216
Speaker 2: All these things didn't exist, you know, until.

765
00:35:13,976 --> 00:35:16,656
Speaker 8: What ten years ago, and now you know there's an

766
00:35:16,696 --> 00:35:20,336
Speaker 8: actual formal protocol. You of course still have examples like

767
00:35:20,456 --> 00:35:24,936
Speaker 8: to and players who seem to get back, you know,

768
00:35:25,016 --> 00:35:28,536
Speaker 8: before they're ready, but just as many players now sit

769
00:35:28,616 --> 00:35:31,816
Speaker 8: out and maybe more, and so you know, that's something

770
00:35:31,856 --> 00:35:34,696
Speaker 8: that he probably deserves some credit for and pushing the

771
00:35:34,776 --> 00:35:39,216
Speaker 8: league to try and address these pretty big and really

772
00:35:39,296 --> 00:35:43,696
Speaker 8: frankly fundamental problems. There's a lot of marketing and messaging around,

773
00:35:43,696 --> 00:35:49,536
Speaker 8: say for helmets and youth football and flag football and

774
00:35:49,616 --> 00:35:50,496
Speaker 8: some of them are good.

775
00:35:50,576 --> 00:35:50,736
Speaker 2: Some.

776
00:35:50,856 --> 00:35:52,936
Speaker 8: I mean, helmets are nice, but they're not going to

777
00:35:53,096 --> 00:35:56,976
Speaker 8: prevent a concussion. But I would say the concussion protocol

778
00:35:57,016 --> 00:35:59,616
Speaker 8: stuff has been a big game changer.

779
00:36:00,176 --> 00:36:04,296
Speaker 5: We are an NFL podcast. They pay us, we work

780
00:36:04,416 --> 00:36:08,056
Speaker 5: for the NFL, and we also know who the boss is.

781
00:36:08,136 --> 00:36:10,096
Speaker 5: Now we have never had a guest that we've booked

782
00:36:10,096 --> 00:36:12,256
Speaker 5: and they've said no. But they can say no because

783
00:36:12,296 --> 00:36:16,776
Speaker 5: they are inevitably our boss. This book, I feel like

784
00:36:16,776 --> 00:36:19,656
Speaker 5: it is so comprehensive that there is a lot of

785
00:36:19,696 --> 00:36:24,496
Speaker 5: great stuff. There's also some honesty hear that maybe makes

786
00:36:24,616 --> 00:36:27,256
Speaker 5: versions of the NFL go man. I wish we'd done

787
00:36:27,256 --> 00:36:29,736
Speaker 5: a better job at this point. Why would the NFL

788
00:36:29,816 --> 00:36:31,376
Speaker 5: let us have you on? Since this is not a

789
00:36:31,416 --> 00:36:33,656
Speaker 5: complete I love the NFL book.

790
00:36:33,816 --> 00:36:36,496
Speaker 8: I don't know whether they've intervened or they actually look

791
00:36:36,536 --> 00:36:37,656
Speaker 8: over your booking schedule.

792
00:36:37,816 --> 00:36:40,216
Speaker 1: They do, know, they do. Why do they love you?

793
00:36:40,296 --> 00:36:40,496
Speaker 2: They do?

794
00:36:40,736 --> 00:36:41,736
Speaker 1: Yeah?

795
00:36:41,816 --> 00:36:43,856
Speaker 2: I don't know if they love me, but I think

796
00:36:43,896 --> 00:36:45,696
Speaker 2: they I have to say, the NFL.

797
00:36:46,416 --> 00:36:49,336
Speaker 8: I think they know who I am, and you know,

798
00:36:49,576 --> 00:36:51,776
Speaker 8: I'd like to think the book is deeply reported. I've

799
00:36:51,816 --> 00:36:55,016
Speaker 8: spoken to at least a dozen owners for the book.

800
00:36:56,336 --> 00:37:02,256
Speaker 8: Union people, Network people, I think thoroughly researched the book,

801
00:37:02,296 --> 00:37:05,496
Speaker 8: and so from that perspective, you know, I think they

802
00:37:05,656 --> 00:37:09,096
Speaker 8: can appreciate the effort that went into it. It's not

803
00:37:09,176 --> 00:37:13,296
Speaker 8: a gotcha book in that sense. In one review of

804
00:37:13,336 --> 00:37:16,256
Speaker 8: the book, somebody said there are no heroes. I'd like

805
00:37:16,296 --> 00:37:19,336
Speaker 8: to think that's probably true. And I didn't write it

806
00:37:19,336 --> 00:37:22,976
Speaker 8: as a polemic. I wrote it as like a reported history,

807
00:37:22,976 --> 00:37:24,936
Speaker 8: if you want to call it that, or contemporary history.

808
00:37:25,336 --> 00:37:27,576
Speaker 8: So I think it's fair in that sense. And yeah,

809
00:37:27,576 --> 00:37:29,616
Speaker 8: there's stuff I'm sure they would like not to be

810
00:37:29,656 --> 00:37:32,416
Speaker 8: in the book, but that also gives it authenticity. I

811
00:37:32,416 --> 00:37:35,536
Speaker 8: hope it's not a cheerleading book. You know, there's a

812
00:37:35,576 --> 00:37:39,576
Speaker 8: fine line between giving Jerry Jones and Robert Craft and

813
00:37:39,696 --> 00:37:42,376
Speaker 8: Roger Goodell credit for making a lot of money. It's

814
00:37:42,416 --> 00:37:44,656
Speaker 8: a business book. On the other hand, you know, like

815
00:37:44,816 --> 00:37:46,896
Speaker 8: it's up to the reader to decide whether that's greed.

816
00:37:47,496 --> 00:37:50,496
Speaker 8: And maybe that's too much, right, but I'm not trying

817
00:37:50,496 --> 00:37:51,976
Speaker 8: to tilt the scales in that sense.

818
00:37:53,336 --> 00:37:55,816
Speaker 5: Final question, Ken, being the reporter you are that are

819
00:37:55,816 --> 00:37:58,936
Speaker 5: reported on so many things, different types of things. I

820
00:37:58,936 --> 00:38:02,176
Speaker 5: have a couple of friends that also do a job

821
00:38:02,376 --> 00:38:04,496
Speaker 5: similar to yours. And they just talk about how they

822
00:38:05,136 --> 00:38:07,616
Speaker 5: text and text and text, and so many texts are

823
00:38:07,656 --> 00:38:10,296
Speaker 5: just not returned. Is that a big part of your career,

824
00:38:10,416 --> 00:38:12,376
Speaker 5: just texting and being left on read all the time.

825
00:38:14,256 --> 00:38:16,815
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of the job. I will say.

826
00:38:17,016 --> 00:38:19,656
Speaker 8: You know, I've been asked a lot like how long

827
00:38:19,696 --> 00:38:21,376
Speaker 8: did it take you to write the book? And the

828
00:38:21,816 --> 00:38:24,256
Speaker 8: short answer is I started it in twenty twenty two

829
00:38:24,376 --> 00:38:27,736
Speaker 8: and got the contract in twenty three to start writing.

830
00:38:28,696 --> 00:38:31,216
Speaker 8: But the real answer is twenty thirteen when I started

831
00:38:31,216 --> 00:38:34,856
Speaker 8: covering the league full time, because the book didn't happen

832
00:38:35,216 --> 00:38:39,496
Speaker 8: without relationships I had already had with Pick the Owner,

833
00:38:39,576 --> 00:38:45,456
Speaker 8: Art Rooney, Shod Cohn, Arthur Blank, Robert Kraft, so forth.

834
00:38:45,896 --> 00:38:48,256
Speaker 8: So like you know, when I got the book, I

835
00:38:48,296 --> 00:38:50,696
Speaker 8: already knew that for nine or ten years. And they

836
00:38:50,776 --> 00:38:52,336
Speaker 8: do pick up your calls, or at least they take

837
00:38:52,376 --> 00:38:56,816
Speaker 8: you seriously. And I'll be honest, like they're busy people, right,

838
00:38:56,856 --> 00:39:00,096
Speaker 8: I get it. So just getting time in Arthur Blank's

839
00:39:00,136 --> 00:39:03,176
Speaker 8: schedule took like three months, you know, or two months.

840
00:39:03,216 --> 00:39:03,616
Speaker 2: I don't know.

841
00:39:04,576 --> 00:39:07,936
Speaker 8: Shod con I ended up speaking to him for four

842
00:39:07,976 --> 00:39:11,176
Speaker 8: hours on a Saturday before a day before a game.

843
00:39:12,576 --> 00:39:15,335
Speaker 8: But you know, that took months to sort out. They're

844
00:39:15,376 --> 00:39:17,896
Speaker 8: just busy people, So I get it, and I'm asking

845
00:39:17,976 --> 00:39:20,096
Speaker 8: them for a favor. I think the owners who sat

846
00:39:20,136 --> 00:39:23,496
Speaker 8: with me obviously we're interested in talking about, for instance,

847
00:39:23,536 --> 00:39:28,136
Speaker 8: the twenty eleven lockout TV deals, whatever. But you know,

848
00:39:28,216 --> 00:39:32,296
Speaker 8: you're just juggling a lot. Then you know the network

849
00:39:32,336 --> 00:39:34,576
Speaker 8: people all these things. Very few people'll just call you

850
00:39:34,656 --> 00:39:37,336
Speaker 8: right back, So I get that that's just part of the.

851
00:39:37,336 --> 00:39:40,136
Speaker 1: Job, Ken Belson. Every day is Sunday.

852
00:39:41,016 --> 00:39:43,456
Speaker 5: Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, and Roger Goodell turned the NFL

853
00:39:43,496 --> 00:39:46,416
Speaker 5: into a cultural and economic juggernaut. I know the book's

854
00:39:46,416 --> 00:39:49,536
Speaker 5: been out since October. I hope you sell a billion copies.

855
00:39:50,856 --> 00:39:54,496
Speaker 5: I'm it's so thorough. You can order the book on Amazon,

856
00:39:54,536 --> 00:39:56,056
Speaker 5: but you can order anything on Amazon. You can't order

857
00:39:56,096 --> 00:39:58,056
Speaker 5: pickle jar. You can order this book. You can order

858
00:39:58,056 --> 00:39:59,776
Speaker 5: whatever you want, but this book is there.

859
00:40:00,256 --> 00:40:00,536
Speaker 1: Ken.

860
00:40:00,576 --> 00:40:03,616
Speaker 5: We really appreciate the time spending with us today, and

861
00:40:03,656 --> 00:40:04,816
Speaker 5: congratulations in the book.

862
00:40:04,976 --> 00:40:06,976
Speaker 2: Thank you, great conversation, appreciate it.

863
00:40:06,976 --> 00:40:15,136
Speaker 5: Thanks, okay, thanks to Ken Belson. I didn't even get

864
00:40:15,136 --> 00:40:16,456
Speaker 5: to my Arkansas hiring a new coach.

865
00:40:16,976 --> 00:40:17,136
Speaker 2: Guy.

866
00:40:18,136 --> 00:40:20,335
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said, what we're gonna do? Uh, we're gonna

867
00:40:20,336 --> 00:40:23,136
Speaker 3: wrap this and so let's be part one.

868
00:40:23,376 --> 00:40:24,736
Speaker 5: We'll have part two coming up in a little bit

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Speaker 5: because we got to get to our topics too.

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Speaker 1: So, uh, this is lots to say.

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Speaker 5: I'm Bobby Bones, that's Matt Castle, that's kick Off Kevin,

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Speaker 5: and we got Morgan over the running cameras today because Brandon,

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Speaker 5: because Brandon's like onation or something. That's that's true. Okay,

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Speaker 5: this is part one. Part two will be up soon.

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Speaker 5: We've had lots to say.

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Speaker 4: Goodbye everybody, lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt

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Speaker 4: Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.