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Speaker 4: And welcome to another edition of the Action Network Fantasy

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Speaker 4: Flex Podcast. I am your host, Chris Raybond here with

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Speaker 4: Sean Kerner, and we have a very exciting guest for

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Speaker 4: you guys today as we continue to talk about wide receivers.

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Speaker 4: No one better to talk wide receivers than Matt Harmon,

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Speaker 4: football writer and analysts at Yahoo Sports and of course,

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Speaker 4: the creator of a reception perception.

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Speaker 1: Matt, how's it going man?

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Guys?

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Speaker 3: I'm glad we got all of the needless discussion about

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Speaker 3: way before we started recording. I'm very excited to talk

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Speaker 3: to you guys today. I love this, Like this year's

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Speaker 3: just draft board of wide receivers is awesome in general.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel very lucky that, like, I've been

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Speaker 3: studying this position for song, and it feels like it's

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Speaker 3: kind of coming ahead now with all of these just

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Speaker 3: good players the position, but really like the meat of

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Speaker 3: fantasy drafts of the guys we're going to cover today,

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Speaker 3: and I'm pretty excited to hear you know what you

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Speaker 3: guys think about these players as well.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, now it's going to be exciting. I'm so

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Speaker 1: glad you joined us.

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Speaker 4: And and Sean, how's how's it going out here with you?

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Speaker 1: I'm back on the East coast. You're in LA. That's good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I missed you over here.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm just excited that, you know, recording this a week

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Speaker 1: to see some of these players in action. I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to see the real keys and preseason, you know,

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Speaker 1: just after a year where we didn't have preseason. You know,

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Speaker 1: stoked that we're gonna get back this year. Can't wait.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it's you know, you're you know, you're a

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Speaker 4: degenerate when you like you missed like preseason, DFF.

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Speaker 1: I can't play the team's number eight wide receiver, Like,

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Speaker 1: what's going on here? All right, guys, we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get right into this. We're gonna talk.

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Speaker 4: About it's kind of gonna the theme is gonna kind

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Speaker 4: you know, who we're targeting, you know, in that ADP

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Speaker 4: So let's let's start it off though, Matt, uh, you

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Speaker 4: know you do, as you mentioned, you study this position

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Speaker 4: kind of method methodology to evaluate wide receivers called reception perception,

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Speaker 4: which I personally love. Just talk a little bit about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So for those who are unfamiliar with perception perception,

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Speaker 3: Very excited about it, and it's been great to I think,

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Speaker 3: uh you know, Hollywood Terror, Hollywood Tara Terror, elevator pitch

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Speaker 1: Now, no pitch necessary.

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Speaker 4: I wonder your opinion on like, you know, because you

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Speaker 3: So one thing that I noticed, and this was probably

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Speaker 2: But exactly what.

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Speaker 3: You're saying is that where players line up really dictates

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Speaker 3: More like, there are guys that line up in the slot.

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Speaker 3: And then you have Gallup like running against press coverage,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think Chris, that's like a fantastic sort

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Speaker 3: just also categorize how difficult their assignment is. I always

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Speaker 3: Reception Perception in like twenty thirteen ish. It's like, what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I.

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Speaker 4: Think you learn it because because that's what you're doing.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it's a great, great point and

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Speaker 4: great points that you bring up about the differences. Let's

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Speaker 4: jump right into our targets and Sean, I'll go to

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Speaker 4: you first, since I know one of you know, Matt,

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Speaker 4: I know you just kind of wax poetic about Ceedee Lamb,

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Speaker 4: who has been shooting up everyone's draft board. But you know, Sean,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you knew this is coming, But the

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Speaker 1: first guy is ceed Lamb for me at wide receiver fifteen.

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Speaker 1: You know, I feel like every year there's a guy

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Speaker 1: I know they are. You know, Matt kind of said

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Speaker 1: it earlier. It's like we're trying to target these good

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Speaker 1: wide receivers until people realize they're good. In this case, it's,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're elite receivers before people realize they're elite.

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Speaker 1: So you know, twenty nineteen, it was Kenny Galladay and

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Speaker 1: this year at Ceedee LAMB for me, I don't care

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Speaker 1: if I sound like a broken record. Bring him up

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Speaker 1: on every pod, but he has top five upside as

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Speaker 1: long as Dak stays healthy. And last year, you know,

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Speaker 1: to go up closer in ninety percent. As Matt was mentioning,

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Speaker 1: be more of a deep threat, like the sky's limit

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Speaker 1: for him. So I love getting him. So wide receiver

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Speaker 1: I love it, Matt. How about you? Who are you

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Speaker 3: I mean I kind of love a lot of players

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Speaker 2: I love drafting Tyler Lockett in this range. Yeah, I mean, he's.

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Speaker 3: Like wide receiver twenty wide receiver twenty one across ADP sources.

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Speaker 3: I think, really it's just a Russ needs to play

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Speaker 3: You'd theoretically want that type of system on board. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I love Tyler Locket, Like that's the number one

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Speaker 4: So he, as you mentioned, he'd outkicked that ADP, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's like they even with what they've been doing, you know,

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Speaker 4: Last year, Lockett was fine, you know, because this guy,

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Speaker 1: And we know he's a genius. We know he can

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Speaker 4: That's every play, every play is scheme to get Woods

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Speaker 4: whether it was it's Deshaun now, whether it was Cooks

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Speaker 4: We've seen both of them have umongous seasons, and I

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Speaker 4: some guys that maybe we're avoiding a little bit.

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Speaker 4: I know you said you're not really quote unquote avoiding anyone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think there's anybody I'm actively avoiding, like

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a guy like Amari Cooper fit into

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Speaker 3: Lamb's going to have that big explosive season that Sewan

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Speaker 3: drafts right now is extremely attractive based on just kind

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Speaker 3: he's not quite at that standar anymore, but still very

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Buck situation is highly fascinating. I mean, just

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Speaker 1: And you still have Gronk at tight end, and you

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Speaker 1: just got what did you use? Get Gio Bernard who.

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Speaker 1: You know this, Like Sean is always.

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Speaker 4: Saying like that that second year of Peyton Manning when

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Speaker 4: even at this age. So but but Sean, anyone anyone

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Speaker 1: Think put it perfectly. I'm not avoiding these guys like

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Speaker 1: But I think a good example would be Kenny Galladay

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Speaker 1: He's listed at wide receiver twenty three on here. That

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Speaker 1: He's not going to have that touchdown upside where used

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Onen was the guy that kind of stands

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Speaker 4: I mean, and this is, don't get me wrong, really

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Speaker 4: But he had nineteen red zone targets and thirteen touchdowns

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Speaker 4: Your average receiver is gonna get like twenty five percent,

437
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 4: you know, like you know, he should Steven should have

438
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 4: had four to five touchdowns in the red zone and

439
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,400
Speaker 4: finished the year with like six, you know, and instead

440
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:23,920
Speaker 4: he has thirteen.

441
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Speaker 1: And that's a credit to him, to credit to Kirk Cousins.

442
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Speaker 4: But uh, you know, I just think you look at

443
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Speaker 4: the numbers even and you know something with receivers, I

444
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 4: think we should also And it's kind of the theme

445
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,640
Speaker 4: is like career arc and you know aging curves, and

446
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 4: you know, nowadays it's usually that second year, sometimes even

447
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 4: more so than the third year, where wide receiver breaks out.

448
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 4: But they also tend to kind of slow down as

449
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 4: they get into their thirties. And you know, see win

450
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 4: eighty yards per game at age twenty seven, eighty six

451
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 4: yards per game at age twenty eight, and then down

452
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 4: to forty two yards per game, and an injury plagued

453
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 4: age twenty nine year rebu to only sixty two last year.

454
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 4: So you know, if the touchdowns go away, this is

455
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 4: kind of it's a different receiver.

456
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Speaker 1: It's it's not necessarily the.

457
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Speaker 4: Same receiver that's been putting up these big numbers, you know,

458
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 4: three in the last four years. So I think that

459
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Speaker 4: he's a guy to avoidant, and I'm mad. I'm kind

460
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 4: of with you on a MARII Cooper as well. It's

461
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 4: it's not necessarily as much about him. It's just about

462
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Speaker 4: the fact that I think Steedee Lamb is going to

463
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,159
Speaker 4: see a bump, and I don't like taking guys that

464
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Speaker 4: have injury issues like heading into the year. So I mean,

465
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Speaker 4: I'm looking out, I'm monitoring that news. But those guys

466
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,639
Speaker 4: always worried me because it's like, especially this early in

467
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Speaker 4: the draft, it's like I have choices, so, like you know,

468
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Speaker 4: and it's nothing against Coop, who obviously has top ten upside,

469
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Speaker 4: but I just think there's no it's hard to go

470
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Speaker 4: wrong and so you have to nitpick and because of that,

471
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Speaker 4: you know, I think I think Cooper lands on that list.

472
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Speaker 4: For me, let's let's jump to the next tier. These

473
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 4: are more so the wide receiver threes. You know in ADP,

474
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 4: guys going in that twenty five to thirty six range

475
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Speaker 4: across most sites and Matt, I'll start with you again, like,

476
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Speaker 4: who are you targeting in that wide receiver three range?

477
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Speaker 4: Who you may even feel comfortable, you know, starting them

478
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 4: as your wide receiver? Two guys that you think have

479
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 4: good value in this range?

480
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, a ton of good players here in this

481
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 3: range that I like as well. I'm back in on

482
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 3: the Odell Beckham experience this year for sure. But the

483
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 3: guy here in this tier right kind of at the

484
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 3: top is Brandon Auk. To me, I'm really interested to

485
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Speaker 3: hear what you guys think about this because this is

486
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Speaker 3: when I just did my projections, Like, this is a

487
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,959
Speaker 3: tough offense to project because I think it's actually like

488
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Speaker 3: getting the forty nine ers right this year, I think

489
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 3: might be the key to unlocking like fantasy football in

490
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, because there are so many paths that

491
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 3: this team could go down, you know, Number one, the

492
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 3: quarterback spot, right, Like, is it gonna be Jimmy Garobblo?

493
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 3: Is it going to be Trey Lance? I think it'll

494
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 3: be Trey Lance eventually, but for how long? How long

495
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 3: is that gonna take? Because I think they're gonna be

496
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 3: two pretty different offenses, and I think Trey Lance like

497
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 3: not only could he reduce the overall passing volume of

498
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 3: the offense, but he could also boost the efficiency.

499
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 2: Of the offense as a whole.

500
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 3: Like, I just think they're gonna be a much more

501
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 3: dangerous attack that scores more touchdowns with Trey Lanson there

502
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 3: as opposed to Jimmy Garoppolo. So I'm actually not necessarily

503
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 3: too worried about that. Also with the volume of these

504
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 3: guys too, you know, you have to ask yourself, well,

505
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 3: if I'm going to be higher on Ayuk, am I

506
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 3: going to be lower on Debo? Am I going to

507
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 3: be like lower on Kiddle than the market? You have

508
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 3: to ask yourself those questions.

509
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: Then.

510
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 3: Also, the history of rookie quarterbacks, like elevating a bunch

511
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 3: of different guys is not so great. But at the

512
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 3: same time, they do have a very truncated target tree.

513
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 3: It's mostly just those three guys. They don't really have

514
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 3: like a pass catching running back, they don't have who's

515
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 3: gonna be their third receiver like Mohammed Sanu, Richie James, Like,

516
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 3: it's not exactly an attractive group there. So I'm really

517
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 3: in on Brandon Ayuki because I think he profiles as

518
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: a true stud receiver to me. You know, he is

519
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: up there at seventy five point seven percent success rate

520
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 3: versus man coverage against in reception perception as a rookie,

521
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 3: and like I expected him to be sort of a

522
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 3: create a touch player, you know, like sort of like

523
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 3: what Deebo Samuel is.

524
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 2: But he went out there in year one and was.

525
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 3: A stud route runner, above average success rate on every

526
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 3: single route on the tree wins vertical, when short wins

527
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 3: intermediate can be pressed. Like, I don't think the forty

528
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: nine ers have had a receiver like this, you know,

529
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 3: I'm not even sure like Kyle Shanahan's offenses have had

530
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: a receiver like this outside other than Julio Jones that

531
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 3: one year in Atlanta or a couple years in Atlanta there.

532
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 3: I just think I use profiles as somebody that I

533
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: don't want to bet against, like commanding a dominant target

534
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: share within this offense. And again, I want to kind

535
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: of be ahead of the curve on this offense in general,

536
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 3: because I think they're about to sort of take that

537
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 3: next step this year, you know, rolling into the future

538
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 3: years with Trey Lance there.

539
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on Ayuk.

540
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Speaker 4: I think I think if there's one wesson that we

541
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 4: continuously see where you never want to kind of follow

542
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 4: these like rules of thumb too far because there's always exceptions,

543
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 4: and that's why we spend so much time breaking each

544
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 4: player down.

545
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: But like went in doubt like a.

546
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 4: Ride receiver going in entering year two, who is already

547
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 4: pretty good in year one, Like you're gonna hit so

548
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 4: much more than you're gonna miss, you know, Like there

549
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 4: will be a couple of times and I think I

550
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 4: think Sean brought out like his uh, I think it

551
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 4: was like Denzel Mims. Maybe the next like Dante Pettis,

552
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 4: Like he might be that guy that just like you know,

553
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 4: doesn't pan out right. But like in general, I mean,

554
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 4: it's like you're gonna hit so much more than you're

555
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 4: gonna miss. And you could just look at the you know,

556
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 4: look at any like class over the last you know,

557
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 4: ten fifteen years, and just look at guys who had

558
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 4: a pretty decent year and even some guys who didn't

559
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 4: have a good year one, you know, going a year

560
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 4: time like like dj Chart comes to mind, guys like that.

561
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 4: So it's just that year where players make a huge jump.

562
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 4: So given how good at Yuk was, already. He's one

563
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 4: of those guys that it may not matter who else

564
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 4: is there, it's just the skill is there, and that's

565
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 4: you know.

566
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: It's like there's there's a difference between like Dante Pettis

567
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 3: level of flashing and like Denzel Mims level of flashing

568
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 3: and like what Ayuk did, like right, you know, and

569
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 3: like I know, people get hung up on the small

570
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: sample of like you know, like four or five games

571
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 3: where all three of these guys played together or whatever.

572
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 3: But it's like, listen, this is like the normal trajectory

573
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: of a receiver is like he's as a rookie, starts

574
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,239
Speaker 3: out a little slower and then once they're cooking by

575
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 3: the end of the year, they're earning a dominant target

576
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 3: share and stuff like that.

577
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Speaker 2: And that was what Ayuk was doing.

578
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 3: I don't see any scenario where Kyle Shanahan's like, well, listen,

579
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 3: we got to dial back Ayuke's touches or.

580
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: Something like give me a break. This guy, I think

581
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 2: is like the next stud receiver.

582
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: I think he's right up there in my mind with

583
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: guys like Justin Jefferson and Ceedeelambs like the one to

584
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 3: take that elite step this year even if Justin Jefferson

585
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 3: has already done it.

586
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, And just to put some numbers on this, I mean,

587
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 4: you averaged five catches for sixty two yards a game

588
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 4: last year. And I went back over the last three

589
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 4: decades and I looked at the aging curves for every

590
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 4: different age range you're wide receiver. And you know, guys

591
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 4: going from age twenty two to age twenty three, on average,

592
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 4: their receptions, yards and touchdowns increased by about twenty percent

593
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 4: per game from from in that age range. So I

594
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 4: mean this like, if you just look at that year one,

595
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 4: you know, five catches sixty two yards about point four

596
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 4: touchdowns for GOWD. I mean you could be looking at

597
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 4: a top ten receiver easily in year two if you

598
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: kind of project that forward.

599
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Speaker 1: So I like that call there.

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Speaker 4: Show, Sean, who are you looking at this in this

632
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Speaker 4: wide receiver three range?

633
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: As far as guys you're targeting? Sorry mentioned these guys earlier,

634
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: but I like the idea of getting either Jamar Chase

635
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: or t Higgins as your wide receiver three. I think

636
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: both of them could easily provide wide receiver two value

637
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: this year if Burrow stays healthy. T Higgins usually falls

638
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: a bit later, so he's typically the guy targeting this range.

639
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: He flashed a ton of upside as a rookie. You know,

640
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: he wasn't even a full time player until week three,

641
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: so we really had weeks three through eleven where he

642
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: was a full time player and Joe Burrow was quarterback

643
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: and he was wide receiver nineteen, so you know, and

644
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: he was even able to put up wide receiver twenty

645
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: eight numbers weeks twelve through sixteen with Brandon Allen and

646
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: Ryan Finley under center, which I always think is a

647
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: good sign. He just put up quality numbers of horrific

648
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: play like that's a really good sign. So yes, you know,

649
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase and Tyler Boyd could eat into his target share.

650
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: I'm not too worried about that because this should be

651
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: a pass happy team with plenty of negative game scripts.

652
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: So wide receiver twenty eight fields closer as floor. So

653
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Speaker 1: I love being able to get a guy with so

654
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: much upside where I think he's being drafted closer as floor,

655
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: and then I can't get away if I don't mention

656
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: this guy every year. I typically have two hard and

657
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: fast rules. Number one, don't draft a kicker defense if

658
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: you don't have to. And number two, don't underestimate Robby Anderson.

659
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's still cheap, way too cheap

660
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: at whide receiver thirty five. I was surprised last year

661
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: when Joe Brady used him as his ex receiver, you know,

662
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: the Michael Thomas role in this offense. He had a

663
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: really diverse route tree. Then we're used to saying he's

664
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: not just the deep threat in this offense. So I

665
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: think he has a higher weekly for ceiling combo, and

666
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: he already has that chemistry with Sam Darnold. I don't

667
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: think Sam Donald's going to take this offense necessarily to

668
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: like the top tier, but coming off a year where

669
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: this offense only threw for sixteen passing touchdowns, they are

670
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: due for some positive touchdown aggression. So I love getting

671
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: Robbie at wide receiver thirty five this year.

672
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: What's the logic like across the industry for having Anderson

673
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: at like thirty five, Like, I don't.

674
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: Know, he's always underrated, Like.

675
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that like Terras Marshall could

676
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 3: dig in, and obviously McCaffrey could dig into the target

677
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: shre too. I really like Taris Marshall as a prospect,

678
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: and he's already kind of flashing in camp and all

679
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: that stuff. But I just don't really see how Anderson

680
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: is going to lose too much volume. I don't see

681
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 3: really the team taking too much of a step away

682
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: from the way they called plays last year and being

683
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: you know, relatively a past friendly environment and you know,

684
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, Sam Darnold's better than Teddy Bridgewater,

685
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: but Teddy Bridgewater was not very productive in terms of

686
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 3: like where like the money areas, you know, like red

687
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: zone third and not fourth down all that type of stuff.

688
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: I don't really I'm with you, Sean, I don't really

689
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 3: understand where like what the deal with Robbie Anderson is

690
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 3: and and the fact that they gave him more layups

691
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: last year. I would love I actually would love to

692
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: see them be a little more multiple with their receiver usage.

693
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: Like I think they were too pigeonholed to having Curtis

694
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: Samuel in like the slot receiver role. I think there

695
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: were two pigeonholed and having DJ more is their vertical

696
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 3: receiver when I think those guys could all have been

697
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: a little more interchangeable. But I think there's still gonna

698
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 3: be plenty of layups for Robbie Anderson and maybe some

699
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: more deep passes would actually level out as weekly upside

700
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: that we saw kind of evaporate from earlier the year.

701
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, And if there was ever a pro Sam Donald argument,

702
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 4: it's the fact that Robbie Anderson is actually great with

703
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 4: Sam Donald, Like they those two actually had a really

704
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 4: good connection. And the numbers kind of back it up,

705
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 4: you know, when if you compare you know, Donald's numbers

706
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 4: with Anderson and Anderson's numbers with Donald to with everyone else,

707
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 4: you know, those two hit it off. So I think

708
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 4: that Robbie Anderson is an absolute steal going out wide

709
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 4: receiver thirty five and and yeah, for me, it's it's

710
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: some of the guys you guys already mentioned. I love

711
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 4: Brandon Iu, I love t Higgins, And I know we're

712
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 4: about to talk about the Steelers a little more in

713
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 4: depth because I think it's a really interesting situation with

714
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 4: three guys who kind of are almost interchangeable in how

715
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 4: you project them to an extent, But I love Chase Claypool.

716
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 4: I think don't bet against talented wide receivers entering year

717
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 4: two because you know, the volume is already kind of

718
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 4: what it was to get them to a good place

719
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 4: in year one for all these guys we're talking about,

720
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 4: and a lot of times you see an increase in

721
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 4: year two not just because of Okay, their role is growing,

722
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 4: but just because their skills set is growing. And Claypool

723
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 4: was like he's almost like the poor man ceed Lamb

724
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 4: in a way in the sense that like he also

725
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 4: didn't run a full compliment of routes that the amount

726
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 4: that he could have, Like he was up and out

727
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 4: in the sixty seventy percent for a lot of the

728
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 4: year so and even into the postseason. So huge, huge

729
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 4: upside there, I think for him. So I'm talking in

730
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 4: a bunch of those year three guys, Year two guys.

731
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 4: Excuse me, Matt, who are we looking to fade if

732
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: anyone in that in that wide receiver three range.

733
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a couple of well three guys in this

734
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: range that I find myself not really drafting very often.

735
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: One and it's mostly because of just like ambiguous situations.

736
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: The first one is DJ Hark wide receiver thirty three

737
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: ish ran it around there, I mean mostly because like, guys,

738
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 3: what what what are the odds that like Marvin Jones

739
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 3: just straight up out produces j Chark?

740
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: Like the would you be like like five percent surprised?

741
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: You know?

742
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: I mean I think, yeah, up up, yeah right, Like

743
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 3: I mean like zero percent surprises?

744
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: Can we can we get the roll call?

745
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 4: Like, let's do it, Like I'll give the odds making

746
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 4: a first crack at it, Like give us your odds

747
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 4: of like the three Jags receivers, Like what are their

748
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 4: percentages of finishing as the top Jag receivers.

749
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's closer than people think. And I think

750
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: that's what Matt's alluding to you. I think that, you know,

751
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: Chark probably has the the best odds of being the

752
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: highest scoring receiver, but we don't really know what it's

753
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 1: gonna shape up. So I put like Chark at fifty.

754
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 1: I'd put Chinault probably at thirty, and Marvin Jones at twenty.

755
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: And people probably think that those are too close together.

756
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: I probably have it even closer.

757
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 4: I probably put like Channall at thirty five, Charge at

758
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 4: thirty five, and Jones at thirty because like Chanell entering

759
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 4: year two with the with the prospect of getting like

760
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 4: easy catches, and you know what I mean, Like, it's

761
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 4: it's so close.

762
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: The extra ten percent is Colin Johnson? Is that what?

763
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 4: No? No, no, I said thirty five thirty five thirty

764
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 4: that's one hundred, right, I just meant of those three

765
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: five percent chance it's Colin Johnson.

766
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's there's like we don't know's that's.

767
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: Why I think that is alluding to percent five is

768
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: Tim Tebow? I don't know?

769
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: Again, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's slot receiver.

770
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 5: Well.

771
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 3: I think the thing with these receivers too, is like

772
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: this is this is definitely you mentioned it sewn up

773
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 3: the top like preseasons coming up. I have no idea

774
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 3: how urban Meyer is going to handle this thing, but

775
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: I would love to see like deployment of the ease

776
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 3: three receivers in in preseason because you know, I know,

777
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 3: like a lot of people freaked out about and about

778
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: Leaviscos Chanalt when they talked about Travis Etn in this

779
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 3: like gadget slasher role.

780
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: But I was like, good buddy, we don't want.

781
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: Like Leaviscus Chanalt getting you know, carries and little six

782
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: yard eight out passes like we want him playing almost

783
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: like the like the twenty eighteen version of like what

784
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 3: Juju did is like a big slot receiver, like they

785
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 3: get some vertical targets as well. I think Chanalt could

786
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 3: crush it in that role. Like if we see him

787
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: lining up as that big slot like, sign me up

788
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 3: for him to be that guy, because I think he can.

789
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: You know, he's awesome after the catch. You know, people

790
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: are gonna look at his like overall reception perception rates

791
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 3: Like I set against man and press and worry a

792
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 3: little bit. But again, what I'm focused on for interior

793
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: receivers is can they beat zone? Can they win and

794
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 3: contested situations and can they win after the catch check

795
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 3: check check for Chanalt and I think he can. He's

796
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: a guy that could be really good in that role.

797
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 3: But he's definitely like a the coaches need to use

798
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: him right way. And then Marvin Jones just out kicks

799
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: his adp ever sing despite the fact who he's playing across.

800
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: So I'm in on drafting him. I think the gap

801
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: has got to be closer between him and Chark. And

802
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: you know, just one more thing on urban Meyer, Like

803
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 3: I'm not an urban Meyer guy. Nobody's an urban Meyer guy.

804
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 3: Like nobody thinks like, oh, this guy's like a great

805
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 3: dude or whatever. Maybe he shouldn't have said the thing

806
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: about DJ Shark, you know, playing big guy that played

807
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 3: small last year. Maybe you like took offense to him

808
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 3: saying it in public, but not wrong. He was not

809
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: wrong about that assessment. Like Chark did not play well

810
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty on an individual reception perception basis, so

811
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 3: maybe he bounces back to the twenty nineteen version of

812
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: the player. But I think there's enough ambiguity there to

813
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 3: just bypass Chark and take those other two Jags receivers,

814
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 3: especially Jones because the gap between their ADP just doesn't

815
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: really make a lot of sense to me. When they

816
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: went out, Darryl Bevell, former Lions off its coordinator, went

817
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: out and made sure they got Marvin Jones there. So

818
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 3: I'm fading Chark and just the two Denver receivers. To me,

819
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: I haven't really taken a lot of them. Liked them

820
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: both as players, But I don't know about you guys.

821
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 3: I have a lot of questions about the fact that,

822
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 3: like a cross consensus rankings and an ADP right now,

823
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: the Broncos have two top forty receivers to even like

824
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 3: top thirty five receivers in some places, a top ten

825
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: tight end to Noah Fan, a rookie running back that

826
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 3: everybody's gassed up about. But they're gonna They're gonna have

827
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 3: a top five defense most likely this year, and they're

828
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 3: captained by Teddy Bridgewater and or Drew Locke. Like, I

829
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 3: don't know, somebody's not gonna hit here. I think it

830
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 3: could probably be Fan more likely than the receivers. But

831
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: because of just like I'm not sure which receiver pops

832
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: this year between Judy and Courtland Sutton, I haven't really

833
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: been proactively drafting either the answer is Tim Patrick.

834
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: Yeah right.

835
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: And they still have good, like good ancillary players too.

836
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 3: It's not like a San Francisco situation where it's like

837
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 3: you kittle Samuel and that's it. Tim Patrick is a

838
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 3: good player. They have kJ Handler is like a speed

839
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 3: slot receiver.

840
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

841
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: So the fact they have all these other ancillary targets

842
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: that are good. They have two running backs. I just

843
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 3: think Melvin Gordon's gonna mix in in some way, and

844
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 3: they're probably gonna be a run first.

845
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: Team because you know this. And also, like it's Pat.

846
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 3: Shermer pulling the pulling the trigger here, not Kyle Shanahan

847
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 3: at the controls of this offense. So there's just a

848
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: lot of ambiguity in this Denver situation. And I know

849
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 3: that like Teddy Bridgewater supported plenty of good fantasy receivers

850
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: last year, but that was playing with Carolina's defense in

851
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 3: much more like past friendly situations. And I think Denver's

852
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 3: gonna be pretty conservative as an offense this year.

853
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true.

854
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 4: It's hard to get a handle on Sutton because you know,

855
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 4: he was so good the year before and then he

856
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 4: goes down and now he's coming back to just a

857
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 4: it's not like a totally different situation, but it's like

858
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 4: that combined with the injury, it's just there's just a

859
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 4: lot of question marks. And I agree it's there's still

860
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 4: enough other guys. I mean, you have Robbie Anderson going

861
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 4: after you know, uh Sutton in most drafts, so they're

862
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 4: just guys that you can take that I think you

863
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 4: feel better about in that range, Sean, anyone you're avoiding here, I.

864
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: Mean DeVante Smith at wide receiver thirty seems a bit

865
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,479
Speaker 1: rich for me. I think, you know, I can't blame

866
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: anybody for taking him at ADP. You're certainly betting on talent.

867
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: I think he'll be a quality wide receiver. I'm not

868
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: worried about his weight, you know, being too light or

869
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: anything like that. It just I was a bit disappointed

870
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: on his landing Spy. I thought he'd be a good

871
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: fit for the Lions. You know, he'd be off receiver

872
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: out of the gate. And the reason why we're drafting

873
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is his rushing ability, not because he's an

874
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 1: accurate passer. So I think you know, his accuracy issues,

875
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: if they continue, will hurt a guy like Smith. So

876
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm just taking Jamar Chase just a couple of picks earlier.

877
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: If you want to invest in like a talented rookie

878
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: in a good situation, I think Jamar Chase is the

879
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: way to go. And then the other guy is Deebo

880
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: Samuel at wide receiver thirty four. You know Matt luded

881
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: to it. They're a tricky team to project because at

882
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: some point Trey Lance should take over. This is going

883
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: to be a pretty run heavy team. And I think

884
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: Brandon Ayuk is the guy that you want to take

885
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: a gamble on. I think he could be a better

886
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: fit with Trey Lance. But when when Trey Lance is

887
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: under center, you know, he's a scrambling quarterback, so a

888
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: low aid up player like Deebo Samuel could be campbalized

889
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: a bit by you know, his scrambling, so you know,

890
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: and in this range, I think you should be targeting

891
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: high ceiling players anyway, So this is when you take

892
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: your flyer on like a Will Fuller type of guy,

893
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: whereas Deebo Samuel, he's like more of a high floor

894
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: guy that we can't even say he has a high

895
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: floor because we just don't know if he's gonna have

896
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: that volume.

897
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: This year.

898
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: So he's a guy I've been fading in this range

899
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: just based on my draft strategy. Even though I do

900
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: think he's a good receiver, he just doesn't fit into

901
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: my draft plans. Yeah, I think Samuel is another guy

902
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:45,479
Speaker 1: is tough.

903
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 4: I'm not I wouldn't say I avoid him because I think,

904
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 4: you know, it's Matt kind of alluded to that that

905
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 4: San Francisco offense, the targets are kind of locked in

906
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 4: to an extent, and they and one thing is that

907
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 4: they do scheme their guy like Deebo, Samuel get schemed

908
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 4: plays and catches and runs, and so I think, especially

909
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 4: in a full PPR, I don't think.

910
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: He's a guy to avoid.

911
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 4: I do think he's a guy that could end up

912
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 4: with like a disappointing touchdown, you know, touchdown total or

913
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 4: disappointing like a lot of catches but not as many

914
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 4: yards as you want kind of guy. But I don't

915
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 4: think he's a guy that will necessarily bust or anything

916
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 4: like that. I'm kind of I'm kind of in terms

917
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 4: of the guys that I could see busting the most

918
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 4: in this range. I think it is DJ Chart number one,

919
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 4: who I really don't think Urban Meyer is on likes

920
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 4: this guy and and the fact that he had a

921
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 4: really poor rookie year before kind of exploding almost by

922
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 4: necessity in year two. You know, not to take anything

923
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 4: away from him, but you know, we've seen kind of

924
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 4: bad DJ Chark in two of his three seasons, you know,

925
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 4: in a sense. And you know, and then for for

926
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 4: Meyer to kind of go, you know, everything changes. This

927
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 4: is not the guy who drafted him. It's not the

928
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 4: regime that drafted him that you have. You know, as

929
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 4: Matt talked about them going and getting a new offensive

930
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 4: coordinator and getting a new you know, outside wide receiver

931
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 4: and and kind of talking about shifting things around and

932
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 4: adding more guys to the receiver mix.

933
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: So's the writings on the wall for charge.

934
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 4: And then Sutton is it's just because of the ambiguity

935
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 4: and and the fact that.

936
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: They're their biggest holes of the team.

937
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 4: They're they're great on defense and then their biggest holes

938
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 4: on offense or like quarterback and center. Uh, that doesn't

939
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 4: bode well necessarily for like the passing.

940
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: Game, right right. Yeah, that's not to say, like, you know.

941
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 4: The Christian Barry could be a lot better in here too,

942
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 4: but he's you know, great grading wise, he was just

943
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 4: one of the worst player players in the league at

944
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 4: center in year one. And then yeah, Locke and Bridgewater

945
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 4: having exactly you know, impressed in their careers either. So

946
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 4: just just the situation, I'm not really diging in fantasy,

947
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 4: but I.

948
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: Do a situation.

949
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 4: I think I want to talk about this as kind

950
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 4: of its own topic because I think it's.

951
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: It's so it's fascinating and it's important.

952
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 4: And Matt you kind of mentioned like getting San Francisco

953
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 4: right is one of the keys, and I think another

954
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 4: one is going to be getting the Pittsburgh Steelers receivers right,

955
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 4: because I mean, you talk about a team with multiple

956
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 4: receivers in you know, in that kind of top thirty,

957
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 4: top forty, and at the same time, you have an

958
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 4: aging quarterback who didn't look quite right last year, but

959
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 4: in offense who've passed a ton. Considering that it's just

960
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 4: a bunch of short stuff and it was just a

961
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 4: weird looking offense, they're going to change some things. But

962
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 4: so just like, how do you what do you make

963
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 4: of the Steelers wide receiver trial with Deonce and Chase

964
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 4: Claypool and Juju and how are you ranking them?

965
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love talking about the Steelers because they are

966
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 3: one of those situations where, like you said, three top thirty,

967
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 3: five top thirty in certain outlets receivers. They've got a

968
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 3: running back that everybody wants to draft in like the

969
00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: top thirteen running back picks, but they have a quarterback

970
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: that absolutely no one wants to touch. That doesn't make

971
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: any sense either Roethlisberger is gonna OutKick expectations, give it

972
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: one last good run, or all of like almost all

973
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 3: of these players are gonna bust because Roethlisberger is just

974
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: totally toast. It's one of those really like once you

975
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: go out and project it, like run through the projections

976
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 3: you gotta, I think you learn a lot about the

977
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: team and you really kind of learn where you stand

978
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 3: on it. And I hope that they change things offensively

979
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 3: because that was one of the worst teams to watch

980
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 3: offensively last year. Especially like if you were invested in

981
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: Deontay Johnson or Chase Claypool or whatever, you knew this

982
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: was just gonna be like a slog like don't even

983
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: watch those primetime games, like when they played the Bengals

984
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: on Monday night. Just check your scores at the end

985
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 3: of it. See how it went. But do not watch

986
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: a second of this team. They were that tough to watch,

987
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: especially when they were going against like Brandon Allen or

988
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,479
Speaker 3: Ryan Finley, whoever the hell it was last year. So yeah,

989
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 3: I think that the way I look at this receiver corps,

990
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 3: I'm a big Deontay Johnson fan. I know that he

991
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 3: has had like a terrible yards per target, had a

992
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: bunch of drops. I don't really tend to buy into

993
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: drops as being a big problem because it's not sticky

994
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 3: stat year every year. I think if you can do enough,

995
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: good coaches will live with the drops. And you know,

996
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 3: Johnson got benched for like a quarter and a half

997
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 3: last year because of the drops, but immediately then as

998
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 3: soon as he gets back in there for the next

999
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: couple of games, Ben goes right back to him. I

1000
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 3: think targets are earned, which is why that's he kept

1001
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 3: continuing to get looks is because Ben thinks he's a

1002
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: good player. The offensive coordinator and the head coach clearly

1003
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 3: think he's a good player, and reception perception thinks he's

1004
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 3: a good player. Man, this guy gets open like nobody's business.

1005
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: Ninety fifth percentile success rate versus man coverage last year,

1006
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 3: top ten, number one against zone coverage last year, really strong,

1007
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 3: seventy six percent rate against press. Like he gets open

1008
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 3: at a level like you know, the old Antonio Brown

1009
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 3: or like a Keenan Allen type of player. And it's

1010
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: not just on slants and stuff like that. I know

1011
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 3: that's where he got a lot of targets last year.

1012
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 3: I think they were using him in that way to

1013
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 3: try to like manufacture a running game when they didn't

1014
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 3: have one. You know, the Patriots have done that in

1015
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: years past when they didn't have a great running game.

1016
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: They almost use like Julian Edelman as an outlet there.

1017
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: But I think Deontay when you look at you go

1018
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 3: on reception perception dot Com, you search Deontay Johnson, he

1019
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 3: lights up that route tree, you know, deep outside breaking routes.

1020
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 3: I think he can be more than the player he

1021
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 3: was last year. So I'm betting on him not losing

1022
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 3: like a ton of volume. I'm betting on a boost

1023
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: in efficiency if they don't just run the same miserable

1024
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 3: passing game last year. And I'm with you, Chris, and

1025
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 3: I think you don't bet against Chase Claypool either, who

1026
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 3: also comes with a really good reception perception profile and

1027
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: actually has like a similar route tree to DK metcalf

1028
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 3: as a rookie. Both of those guys were fifty percent

1029
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 3: slants and nines in reception perception as rookies, like I

1030
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: think he can expand his game, maybe not be as

1031
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: good as DK is, but can be sort of in

1032
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 3: that same territory. And Juju, to me, is just kind

1033
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 3: of the odd man out like I think we've seen

1034
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 3: like we're I think that Deontay has a bit more

1035
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: of an unknown ceiling. I think the Juju like needs

1036
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 3: the right offensive environment to get the type of targets

1037
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 3: and produce the type of efficiency that he had in

1038
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: years past. I'm just not really betting on him out

1039
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 3: of these three guys. I'm not like proactively avoiding him either,

1040
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: but I guess, based on the way I feel about

1041
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: the receivers, I think these guys can drag Ben Roethlisberger

1042
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: to one last like decent year, especially if they incorporate

1043
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 3: more play action. If they incorporate more motion and more

1044
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 3: modern progressive ideas like that, you know Ben might resist it,

1045
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 3: but I do think the change to Matt Canada as

1046
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator was a good signal. So I'm I

1047
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 3: just think Deontay Johnson is too good to fail, and

1048
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 3: I think Chase Claypole's on that upward trajectory as well.

1049
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if by you know, the end

1050
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty two, if they get their quarterback situation right,

1051
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 3: eventually we're talking about this as one of the better

1052
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 3: receiver duos in the NFL.

1053
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's already I would say one of

1054
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: the better trios.

1055
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 4: You know. It's just, yeah, there's some weird things going

1056
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 4: on in Pittsburgh, you know, like it just kind of

1057
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 4: a weird confluence with factors, with you know that that

1058
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 4: that weird offense, with Ben aging, with the defense being

1059
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 4: so good, with with them not being able to run.

1060
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 4: It was just all these this confluence of factors that

1061
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 4: kind of made, for lack of a better word, it

1062
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 4: was just weird. It was weird ast year, but it

1063
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 4: was it was It was profitable in fantasy. I mean,

1064
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 4: guys are getting catches, guys were getting guys are producing,

1065
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 4: so you know, it's a it's an important situation to

1066
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 4: get right.

1067
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: Sean, like, what are your thoughts on that?

1068
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 4: On a Steelers receiving career, anyone kind of stands out

1069
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 4: as over undervalued, or you think the ADPs are all

1070
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 4: pretty on POI yeah.

1071
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm pretty much in line with ADP on all three

1072
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: of these guys. I think that Matt summed up pretty well,

1073
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: and you know, Deontay Johnson I do think has the

1074
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: best four ceiling combo of the three. You know, he

1075
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: led the NFL drops last year with fifteen. I don't

1076
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: think that's the sticky stat either. It just shows that

1077
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: he's getting open and getting targets. That's really all we

1078
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: care about. So I think he'll correct those mistakes heading

1079
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: in this year. I love his upside, Whereas you know,

1080
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool has the highest ceiling by far out of

1081
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: the three. I mean, he has legit wide receiver one

1082
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: potential if things go right, and the only concerns I

1083
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: have with him have nothing to do with him. Last

1084
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: year he had the lower floor because he was splitting

1085
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: some time with James Washington at the end of the year,

1086
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: but Mike Tomlin even admitted he was doing that to

1087
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: prevent him hitting his rookie wall. So I don't think

1088
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: playing time's going to be an issue this year, But

1089
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to like Big Ben getting older and

1090
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: their offensive line being shaky. I do worry that we're

1091
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: going to see Big Ben getting rid of it quickly.

1092
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: Last year he got rid of it the fastest rate

1093
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: last season two point three seconds per drop back. I

1094
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: think he's going to continue to have to get rid

1095
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: of it quickly with a shaky O line, So I

1096
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: think that could hurt. You know, Chase Claypool's upside in

1097
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: the vertical passing game, but you know, pound for pound

1098
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: and Claypool has one of the highest ceilings in this range,

1099
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: so I have no problem targeting there. And Juju, we

1100
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: know we're going to get with him. He has the

1101
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: highest floor for his ADP out of the three. Like,

1102
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: he's probably not going to win year league. He's probably

1103
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: not gonna lose your league either. Pretty much know you're

1104
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: gonna get with him, and that's just not exciting a draft.

1105
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: So I've been, you know, targeting guys like Deontay or

1106
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool in spots because of that.

1107
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I think Claypool is my favorite of the

1108
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 4: three to pick. I think he's the guy that you

1109
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 4: know he was on par I mean nine hundred and

1110
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 4: twenty three yards for Deontay, eight hundred and thirty one

1111
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 4: for Juju, eight hundred and seventy three for Claypool. So

1112
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 4: he was right on par with you know, guys two

1113
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 4: years older than him, guys that have been in the

1114
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 4: league longer, been with been with their veteran quarterback longer.

1115
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 4: And he put up those numbers in year one, nine

1116
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 4: touchdowns compared to Juju's nine and Deontay's sevens. I mean,

1117
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 4: this guy, Claypool, even in a situation where it was

1118
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 4: crowded and he had to really earn his targets. As

1119
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 4: Matt you kind of you know, targets are earned. He

1120
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 4: earned them like and that that was year one. So

1121
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 4: I think he's the guy that I'm targeting. And then

1122
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 4: I do agree. I think I'm gonna go a little contrarian,

1123
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 4: I think compared to you met on Deonce versus Juju,

1124
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 4: because I think just based on ADP, I don't see

1125
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 4: a huge difference between them overall. I think, like I

1126
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 4: do agree that, like with your evaluation on Johnson, I

1127
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 4: think he's a great player. I think he can get

1128
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 4: open and I think but I think Juju can as well.

1129
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 4: And I just think when you look at their ADPs,

1130
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 4: Like Johnson's going at twenty two, Juju's going at thirty one.

1131
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 4: I just think that because I'm not like I think

1132
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 4: they're gonna be projection wise, they project out pretty similarly.

1133
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 4: I mean even last year, you know, Juju six point

1134
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 4: five yards for target, Deonte six point four.

1135
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: You know he had more drops, so you.

1136
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 4: Figure that those are It's kind of this a very

1137
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 4: their targets are worth I think, very similar fantasy numbers

1138
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, Like and when you

1139
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 4: I think the last year was the better year, is

1140
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 4: going to go down as a better year of the

1141
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 4: two to have been jumping on deonce that was his

1142
00:52:58,719 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 4: year two season.

1143
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: He goes one hundred and forty four targets.

1144
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 4: But you know, my thing is like comparing with Juju,

1145
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 4: who you know has had a bit of a downtick,

1146
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 4: but like they're both aged twenty four, and you know,

1147
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 4: Juju's are like when Juju got one hundred fifty plus targets,

1148
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 4: he had fourteen hundred yards. When Deonta gets like one

1149
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 4: hundred and forty targets, he had nine hundred and twenty

1150
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 4: three yard you know what I mean. So I just

1151
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 4: don't know if there's truly room to grow. And I

1152
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 4: think like like Juju may be used a little more

1153
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 4: downfield as well than he was last year, because I

1154
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 4: mean that eight point six yard for catch average, Like

1155
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 4: no one wants to see that again. And so I

1156
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 4: think Deontay, I guess I would say, like, not because

1157
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 4: of his skills, but just the natural like I think

1158
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 4: loser based on like his ADP in my in my

1159
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 4: opinion is when I'm kind of looking, so I think

1160
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 4: I will have the least of him just based on

1161
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 4: that ADP because I think Juju can replicate that production,

1162
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 4: you know, eight nine spots and receivers low or so. Yeah, okay,

1163
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 4: so that was Steelers wide receivers. I think that that's

1164
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 4: definitely an important situation to kind of tackle. Let's finish

1165
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 4: up by talking about some guys outside the top thirty six,

1166
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 4: you know that we're targeting that we think could you

1167
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 4: could be starting, you know, week in week out by

1168
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 4: the time you know, midseason or end season rolls around.

1169
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: Matt, I'll start with you.

1170
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've already mentioned a few, and there's our once again,

1171
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 3: a lot of receivers in this range that I'm excited

1172
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 3: about too. I mentioned like Michael Gallup and Antonio Brown

1173
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 3: early on as guys that I'm interested in targeting. Leviscus Chanaulton,

1174
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 3: Marvin Jones we talked about as well a couple others.

1175
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 3: I mean, no one's going to be surprised that I

1176
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 3: feel this way if they followed me the last few years.

1177
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 3: But like if Curtis Samuel gets himself off the pup,

1178
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 3: I'm like fire that chip up. I love the Washington

1179
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 3: offense as a whole this year, But one more guy too.

1180
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 3: I'm I really want to know what you guys think

1181
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 3: about this player. Michael Pittman is a guy that you know,

1182
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 3: outside the top forty receivers, really stands out to me

1183
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 3: as someone that could become like a weekly wide receiver too.

1184
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 3: You know, there's not a lot of competition for targets there.

1185
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 3: We know that they bring back t Y Hilton. I

1186
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 3: think t Why is like a role player, you know.

1187
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 3: I think that when you look at a guy like

1188
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 3: Paris Campbell just not the same type of player as

1189
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 3: Michael Pittman is. And you know, he's an interesting one

1190
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 3: in reception perception because he's at that like seventy one

1191
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 3: percent success rate versus man that gives you, like a

1192
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 3: pretty good confidence rating for his future. It's not quite

1193
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 3: at the level of players like Brandon Aiyuk or Deontay Johnson,

1194
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 3: who I mentioned earlier. Is like, you know, going into

1195
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 3: their second seasons, you want to be betting on those players,

1196
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 3: you know, same with a guy like Ceedee Lamb, you know.

1197
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 3: But I think when you look at Michael Pittman, I

1198
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 3: think he had a better rookie year, you know when

1199
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 3: you watch him than what he produced stat wise, And

1200
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 3: I think a lot of that is because he's an

1201
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 3: antithetical fit with the player that Philip Rivers was last year.

1202
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 3: Like I'm not really going out on a limb to

1203
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 3: say I think Rivers could not push the ball downfield

1204
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 3: last year because he retired, Like, I think that that's

1205
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 3: a pretty good, pretty good estimation there. But Pittman still

1206
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 3: ran a ton of slants, a ton of dig routes

1207
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 3: in reception perception over forty three percent of his routes

1208
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 3: were there. But I think he should be used as

1209
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 3: more of like like a vertical receiver, a true ex

1210
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: downfield guy, you know, Carson Wentz, I don't know if

1211
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 3: he's the player to take advantage of that you know,

1212
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 3: there's still a lot of questions there with Carson Wentz,

1213
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 3: like he just might stink, but at the same time

1214
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 3: he is I think Pittman profiles is a true number

1215
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 3: one receiver at some point. I think you grow into

1216
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 3: that and the team is really counting on him too.

1217
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 3: You know, there are different players like Jalen Reger. You

1218
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 3: know that that people compare Michael Pittman too. But I

1219
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 3: think Rager like really blew it with his opportunity and

1220
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 3: then his team went out and drafted a receiver in

1221
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 3: Round one. The Colts have really done nothing at receiver,

1222
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 3: so I think they're really counting on Pittman to be

1223
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 3: that guy this year, and I'm of the opinion that

1224
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 3: he could hit in that role.

1225
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: I love Michael Pittman. I mean I think he is

1226
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: number first and foremost. He's a great football player.

1227
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 4: I mean, if you go back and watch his college tape,

1228
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 4: I've never been so impressed by a guy that I

1229
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 4: was studying because of like him being a receiver. I

1230
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 4: was never so impressed with a guy he's playing on

1231
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 4: like special teams. I mean, like it doesn't it doesn't

1232
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 4: matter because he's not going to play special teams coach.

1233
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 4: But it's just like it's just like he would always

1234
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 4: he would he fell on like five thumb, was he

1235
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 4: blocked like three like it was. He was just always

1236
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 4: where he needed to be, an in in, you know,

1237
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 4: affecting plays, And I think that bodes well. You know,

1238
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 4: he's just his fought footballs in the family with him,

1239
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 4: and I think lines right, yeah, and all things considered,

1240
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 4: I mean, still a pretty decent rookie year.

1241
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: You know, over three catches a game, sixty.

1242
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 4: Five point six catch rate, you know, he you know,

1243
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 4: he wasn't bad by any means, and I think he's

1244
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 4: only going to get better. You know, eight point two

1245
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 4: yards per target. I think he's going to get better

1246
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 4: in year two. I think that twelve point six yards

1247
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 4: per catch has room to grow. I think that one

1248
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 4: touchdown on sixty one targets has a lot of room

1249
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 4: to grow, especially considering he you know, he's a six four,

1250
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 4: two hundred and twenty three pound receiver. So yeah, I

1251
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 4: think he's a and he's entering year too. So I

1252
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 4: like Pritman a lot. But is there anyone else Matt

1253
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 4: you know, on your list before I would go to Sean?

1254
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 2: Now those are kind of the big ones.

1255
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 3: Also, Mike Williams two is another one that I yeah,

1256
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 3: I mean, he he's just too too cheap for the

1257
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 3: amount of targets he's likely to walk into. My business

1258
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 3: partner at reception perception, James co often says like, if

1259
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 3: we could just get that, like how everybody needed to

1260
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 3: teach RG three to slide, Like we just needed somebody

1261
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 3: to teach RG three to slide. All we need for

1262
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 3: Mike Williams to have a big season this year is

1263
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 3: somebody to just teach him how to not land on

1264
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 3: his damn back like so hard every single time he

1265
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 3: goes in for one of those big catches. But I

1266
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 3: really like Williams. I think he's just kind of an

1267
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 3: underrated player too, because he was drafted so high. People

1268
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 3: kind of give him a lot of flak for what

1269
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 3: he's done so far. But if he can stay healthy

1270
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 3: in this offense attached to Justin Herbert, I think he's

1271
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 3: good enough to really return on that on that draft.

1272
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: Cause absolutely I think that that's a guy.

1273
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 4: Sean and I have been like pointing out for most

1274
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 4: of the season this offseason is like, yeah, Michael pict

1275
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 4: Mike Williams is just going to too eight. Sean, who

1276
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 4: are the guys that you're kind of targeting that could

1277
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 4: potentially be started as outside the top thirty six.

1278
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Michael Mike Williams the top guy I was

1279
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: gonna mention. I mean, we've seen a thousand yard season

1280
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: and a ten touchdown season. He could actually put both

1281
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: together this year, and there's almost no downside taking him

1282
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: at wide receiver forty nine. I mean, I think he

1283
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: could be a legit wide receiver three to start the season.

1284
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: But this is a guy that you're drafting the start

1285
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: on your bench, So no downside there. The other guy

1286
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: that I like outside of the top thirty six, he's

1287
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: he's pretty close too, is Brandon Cooks at wide receiver

1288
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: thirty nine. He seems like a slam dunk at ADP.

1289
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: You know, he's one of the cheapest number one receivers

1290
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: on his team that you can get outside of like

1291
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Speaker 1: the Lions, but we don't really know who their number

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Speaker 1: one wide receiver is to begin with. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is absolutely their number one receiver, and you know, Tyrod Taylor.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's great necessarily, but he has shown

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Speaker 1: the ability to push the ball down field and be aggressive.

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Speaker 1: You know, he has the fifth highest a DOT over

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Speaker 1: the past sixth season, so you know, he surprised people

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Speaker 1: by you know, throwing it deep. I think he could

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Speaker 1: help Cooks at least sustain value at his ADP. And

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Speaker 1: you know, there's still a non zero chance that we

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Speaker 1: see Deshaun Watson start games for the Texans. I have

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Speaker 1: no idea what the hell's going on there, But that's

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Speaker 1: sort of like free upside taking Cooks at ADP thirty nine.

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Speaker 1: So I'm all about, you know, targeting Cooks heavily at

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Speaker 1: this ADP.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Brandon Cooks is I get it, you know, the

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Speaker 4: quarterback situations and flux. But like you're still talking about

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Speaker 4: a number like one receiver who has shown he can

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Speaker 4: produce on high volume pretty much his entire career on

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Speaker 4: a team that's going to be really bad.

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Speaker 1: So negative game script for basically every game.

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Speaker 4: Right yeah right, So yeah, it adds up. It adds

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Speaker 4: up to.

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Speaker 3: They just trader Randall Cobb to open up that target distribution, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's kind of absurd how late how late he's

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Speaker 3: going Miller right right, Yeah, No, I don't talk about

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Speaker 3: Anthony Miller because he still exists.

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Speaker 4: He's like the most Like it's like he had that

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Speaker 4: good rookie year and it's just been he's been like

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Speaker 4: just you forget he's on the field half the time.

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Speaker 3: Tell me, tell me about it, Chris in like reception,

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Speaker 3: perception history, like the if you historical subscribers to the site,

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Speaker 3: like our highest tier, you can go through and like

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Speaker 3: sort by success rate, first man coverage. Everybody's basically good.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's been good. That does that stept one player Anthony Miller. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Brandon Cooks.

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Speaker 4: That's they're more more more love for for for Brandon Cooks. There,

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Speaker 4: you know that that's the guy that I'm looking at. Uh.

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Speaker 4: I think some of the other guys that I you know,

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Speaker 4: I think Jarvis Landry at wide receiver forty, I think

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Speaker 4: that's that's kind of a decent spot for him because

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Speaker 4: you look at you know, like Odell Beckham and Landry

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Speaker 4: were kind of equal even that year that that Beckham

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Speaker 4: stayed healthy.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think Cleveland, you know.

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Speaker 4: I know they have a good defense, but I think

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Speaker 4: they'll pass a little more just because they won't be

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Speaker 4: you know, without their all their receivers this year, you know,

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Speaker 4: assuming that they don't go through that same kind of

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Speaker 4: injury issues in you know, Landry, Beckham and Landry are

1341
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Speaker 4: locked into like into targets like it's the other guys.

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Speaker 4: It's you start to worry because you have Hunt and

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Speaker 4: Chug battling it out in the backfield for targets, and

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Speaker 4: then you have the three tight ends battling it out.

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Speaker 4: But like Beckham and Landry could each be locked into

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Speaker 4: like twenty five percent plus And so I still think

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Speaker 4: that like wide receiver, forty is too low for Jarvis

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Speaker 4: Landry a very skilled wide receiver in terms of just

1349
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Speaker 4: like I know, you know, people have different opinions on him,

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Speaker 4: but the bottom line is he's been productive pretty much

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Speaker 4: every year of his career and that's all we want

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Speaker 4: for fantasy. It doesn't matter how you know, how he's

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Speaker 4: getting that production.

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Speaker 1: So I like him.

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Speaker 4: I think, I think when you look at some other

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Speaker 4: guys entering year two, like I think le Viscus Channault

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Speaker 4: is another guy that I like targeting because I just think,

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Speaker 4: again I'm low on DJ Hark and Marvin Jones, Well,

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Speaker 4: I think he will OutKick his ADP.

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Speaker 1: I like him too.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's also a little bit older so there's

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Speaker 4: like this non there's like a decent chance that like

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Speaker 4: Chark and Marvin Jones, maybe don't quite cut it for

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Speaker 4: what Jackson was trying to do in Chanall. I mean,

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Speaker 4: this guy is explosive. You can manufactureing targets, you can

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Speaker 4: line them up in different spots. He and he's entering

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Speaker 4: year two, so there just could be a there could

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Speaker 4: be a monster explosion from him that people we might

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Speaker 4: not even see coming because you know, we're kind of

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Speaker 4: this jack There's just a lot of uncertainty with the Jaguars.

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Speaker 4: So I like him and Darnell Mooney, another guy entering

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Speaker 4: year two who came on down the stretch last year.

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Speaker 4: I think at wide receiver fifty six, he's worth a

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Speaker 4: shot because I don't know if the Bears defense will

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Speaker 4: be that great or as great as in years past,

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Speaker 4: and again it's another team where yeah, there you know,

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Speaker 4: there's there's some things going on at tight end and

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Speaker 4: running back, but they need a number two wide out

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Speaker 4: and I think I think Mooney can can can get

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Speaker 4: you like four four and a half catches per game

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Speaker 4: just based on aliume like, just based on availability of targets.

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Speaker 4: So he's another guy that that I'm targeting in outside

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Speaker 4: of the top thirty six. Matt, we really appreciate you

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Speaker 4: joining the show. Tell everybody where they can find you

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Speaker 4: in which ruction. Yeah, of course I appreciate you guys

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Speaker 4: having this is awesome. I appreciate like just going back

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Speaker 4: and forth with smart people about these receivers because I

1388
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Speaker 4: can get locked in on how good I think these

1389
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Speaker 4: guys are.

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Speaker 2: But it's also good to evaluate roles and everything like that.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, if people want to keep up with me,

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Speaker 3: of course doing everything with y'all who sports this year,

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Speaker 3: We've got the podcast, We've got the Fantasy Football Live

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Speaker 3: on Sunday mornings. Of course, all just the great stuff

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Speaker 3: we got going on there. But if you like the

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Speaker 3: info own Reception Perception, it's its own outlet this year.

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Speaker 3: Very easy to find Reception Perception dot com. We've got

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Speaker 3: three tiers of subscriptions based on what type of access

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Speaker 3: a discord channel, a private YouTube show for our subscribers.

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Speaker 2: Everything is going on there, so I hope people will

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Speaker 2: check it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're really great stuff.

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Speaker 4: Thanks again for joining us, Matt Harmon, And you can

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Speaker 4: find Sean Kerner on Twitter at the Underscore Oddsmaker.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Chris Raymond. You

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Speaker 1: can also find us at those same handles on.

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Speaker 4: The Action Network app, and we sure to check out

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Speaker 4: next time, let's get this money.