1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA F Daily with 2 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody pre recording from the Home Bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: I'm very excited to bring to you UM. I guess 4 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: in the closure of our coverage of Imagine twenty two hundred, 5 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: where we have you have now heard um from three 6 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: different people, First the founder Tory Stevens that we interviewed 7 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and now um you will 8 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: hear from next GENA Maguire. I have enjoyed so so 9 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: much these conversations with these amazing, brilliant fiction writers in 10 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: thinking about how they are reimagining our world and our 11 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: climate future. Imagine twenty two hundred Fix Climate Fiction Contest 12 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: recognizes stories that envision the next one hundred and eighty 13 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: years of equitable climate progress, imagining intersectional worlds of abundance, adaptation, reform, 14 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: and hope. I've really enjoyed reading these stories and interviewing 15 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: the writers who have such a clear understanding of the 16 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: climate crisis that we are in, but the possibilities that 17 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: we have. I think, oftentimes when we are locked in 18 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: to a cycle of grief, of sadness, of rage, anger 19 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: and look all things absolutely rightfully call for those emotions. 20 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: But then I want to present to you all the 21 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: other side of that, the ying to the yang, if 22 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: you will, which is, we cannot imagine a better world, 23 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: a better future, not for ourselves necessarily because we may 24 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: not see it, but for the generations that will come 25 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: behind us. If we are locked into a place of 26 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: rage and grief, that is a scarcity mindset. And in 27 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: order to think bigger and greater and innovate and create, 28 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: we must do so from a place of abundance. And 29 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: the only way that you get there is by rest. Right, 30 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: is by rest, is by relaxation, is by tending to 31 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: ourselves and what it is that we actually can control. 32 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: Because here's the thing, friends, if there is nothing else 33 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: that you realize over the last three years of living 34 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: inside of a global health pandemic and the meltdown of 35 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: our democracy, is that everything outside of us we don't 36 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: really have control over. We vote, we march, we give 37 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: money if we can, we volunteer, and we give our times. 38 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: But then after that we must put it down, put 39 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: the weight down right, and do things that are nurturing, 40 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: that are wholesome, that feel good for ourselves and those 41 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:30,679 Speaker 1: that we love around us. We can't marinate in despair 42 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: and think that through that somehow by being committed to 43 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: grief and misery, that change is going to happen. Rest 44 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: is part of the resistance. Imagination, creativity, love, joy is 45 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: part of the resistance because when you think about what 46 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: the opposition wants, they want cruelty, they want devastation, they 47 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: want oppression. We don't have to give it to them. 48 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: So what I love about this story series and this 49 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: contest was taking something that is so huge of a problem, 50 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: so huge of an obstacle in our lives, which is 51 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: climate change, and not just being focused on our impending doom, 52 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: but imagining what happens when the systems that we believe 53 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: that could never fall do what can come in its place? Right, 54 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: I think about the phoenix rising from the ashes. I 55 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: think about a lotus flower pulling itself through mud. I 56 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: think about you know how sometimes breakdowns make room for 57 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: a breakthrough, and that what is required in this moment 58 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: is a shift in perspective, is a shift and how 59 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: we decide to take information in and what we decide 60 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: to do with it. Because each of us are powerful, right, 61 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: each of us are powerful in in our own ways. 62 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: And the thing that we are able to control is 63 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: how we show up right in all of the moments 64 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: of our lives. I want to give you an example 65 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: and tell you a little anecdote. The other day, one 66 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: of one of my friends received bad news that she 67 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: had seriously broken fractured her foot, broken it and she 68 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: had been walking on it and you know, there had 69 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: been swelling, but she thought it was from a prior 70 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: injury and not that she had had a new one. 71 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: So she goes to the doctor. They do an X 72 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: ray and lo and behold, Yes it's broken, and it 73 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: is a bad break. And all that is playing through 74 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: her mind is the fact that she has finally been 75 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: back in a workout plan, back feeling good about moving 76 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: her body and really like excited right and proud of 77 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: herself about, you know, the moves that she's making. And 78 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: as she sat in the doctor's office, she burst into 79 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: tears because all she could think about was that all 80 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: of the progress that she had made and the way 81 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: that she was feeling good was now gone because she 82 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: was going to be a mobile She couldn't even with 83 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: a walking boot. The doctor is like, the break is 84 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: really bad, and we need you to not walk at 85 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: all for the next two weeks and then we can 86 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: assess whether or not you need surgery. So as she's 87 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: relaying this to me, I hear the pain in her voice. 88 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: And if you all remember earlier, you know, at the 89 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: beginning of summer, I broke my toe, shattered it in 90 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: two places. Most people that break a toe we're in 91 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: a boot for four to six weeks. I was in 92 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: one for ten the entirety of the summer, and then 93 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: when I finally did get it off, I would get 94 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: COVID the month later. So it was quite a shit summer. 95 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: So I understood her angst and the pain that she 96 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: was going through, but I offered this. I said, you know, 97 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: I recognize how upsetting this is. I know that you 98 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: have been really excited about all the work that you've 99 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: been doing, all the work you've been putting into your fitness, 100 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: and I'm really proud of you. But I want to 101 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: offer something. Maybe you get with your trainer and you 102 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: do some chair workouts. Maybe you know, go on YouTube 103 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: and you see what kind of seated fitness you can 104 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: be doing, seated pilate, seated yoga. You know, I told 105 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: her that when I started to get really like frustrated 106 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: with the fact that this boot was not coming off 107 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: of my own foot, I started to do seated shadow 108 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: boxing because it just made me feel better to just 109 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: work up a little bit of a sweat. So today 110 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: I received a text from my friend that said, my 111 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: trainer and I did a really amazing seated workout today. 112 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for reminding me not to quit 113 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:28,119 Speaker 1: and to just adjust. And that's the thing that that's 114 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: the message, honestly that I'm carrying for the end of 115 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: this year and for the rest of my life. Frankly, 116 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: quitting should never be an option, not quitting on our democracy, 117 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: not quitting on our planet, not quitting on ourselves. We 118 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: just need to adjust. We need to adjust our perspective, 119 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: open up our hearts and adjust, you know, our mindset 120 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: and our ability to expand our thought and our way 121 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: of being. And when we do so, things don't seem 122 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: so bad. You can take them in pieces. And so 123 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: I think that the beauty of this series Imagine twenty 124 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: two hundred offers us real insight through creativity, through fiction, 125 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: the ways in which we can create a better and 126 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: more symbiotic relationship with the planet. With the animals, with 127 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: the air, with the water, with the land, and that 128 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be a zero sum probability. So 129 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: coming up next, friends, my conversation with Gena McGuire about 130 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: her story By the Skin of Your Teeth amid the 131 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: Sharks and the Waves of Hawaii, Two people discover something 132 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: important about themselves and each other, Folks. I am very 133 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: excited to welcome to wok F Daily. For the very 134 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: first time, we have been in conversation, folks, with some 135 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: of the finalist in the Imagine twenty two hundred uh 136 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: fixes Climate Fiction contest, which recognizes stories that envision the 137 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: next one hundred and eighty years of equitable climate progress, 138 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: imagining intersectional world of abundance, adaptation, reform and hope. And 139 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: today I'm very excited to be with the second place winner, 140 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: Gina McGuire, whose story is entitled By the Skin of 141 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: Your Teeth amid the Sharks and Waves of Hawaii. Two 142 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: people discover something important about themselves and each other. Gina, Welcome, 143 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: joke Fum. You know I want folks who have been 144 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:50,359 Speaker 1: listening to your other Grist colleagues to get an understanding 145 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: from you first about the themes surrounding your your story 146 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: and congratulations on your second place. When um, this story 147 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: itself will be linked in the episode in the notes 148 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: so that folks can absolutely listen to this interview and 149 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: then go ahead, uh and read or listen to your piece. 150 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: But can you can you talk to us about about 151 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: the themes around your story? Yeah? So, UM, I love 152 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: what Grist is doing about imagining the next one hundred 153 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: you know, eighty years twenty two hundred and UM. For me, 154 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: when I was you know, when you think about climate futures, 155 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: and that's like the basic prompt, right, and um, it's 156 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: often I think fairly bleak futures that we often are envisioning, right. 157 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: And so for me, I'm both Polish and Native Hawaiian. 158 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: I grew up in Hawaii. But when I envisioned the 159 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: future and and I and you know, you don't have 160 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: that very hopeful feeling going into it, and you're like, well, 161 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: how do I write something that's not just dark? Um? 162 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: And so when I understand doing it, well, I I'm 163 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: thinking about you know, indigenous people's, about native people's, Native Hawaiian, um, 164 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: a lot of Pacific islanders, and for us climate futures, 165 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: I feel aren't in the future, Like, it's not. It's 166 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: something that we're dealing with right now. And if we 167 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: think about people in Boganville or Cure Boss, even in Hawaii, 168 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: we're seeing it, and we have these histories of adaptation 169 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: and and resilience and strength. And so what I really 170 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: wanted to bring forward into my fiction my future is 171 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: what if we change the narrative from like, from putting 172 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: Native people as like adapting to having some kind of 173 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: sovereignty over their own future. And so in this story 174 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: it's based in Hawaii and oev characters that I'm not 175 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: talking about political sovereignty necessarily, but having the decision and 176 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: the ability to make your own decisions for your own 177 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: aina of land. And see, that was my hope for 178 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: that story. So yeah, that's kind of that was what 179 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: drove it. And then in the midst of all of that, 180 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: I bringing forward grief and unrequited love and angst and 181 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: bringing that all together, So trying to speak across I 182 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: write kind of on behalf of and for Native peoples. 183 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: That's kind of my whole thing, But trying to create 184 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: characters and emotions that are speak to the human condition 185 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: and are kind of I don't want to say universal 186 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: things that regardless of your background, hopefully you can like 187 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: you feel it. So, yeah, that's the story. I thought 188 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: that your story was so beautiful one the imagery that 189 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: it created. And again, folks, the story is by the 190 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: skin of your teeth, the imagery that it created of 191 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: being on this beautiful, vast ocean, of being a protector 192 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: and a guardian of the of the largest mammals. Right, 193 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: there was a symbiotic nature that was being presented that 194 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: I think, you know, I guess my question for you 195 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: is this is that indigenous culture and practice is something 196 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: that colonizers extinguished, right kind of in this way of 197 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: eye alone can fix this. And so your primitive indigenous 198 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: way of thinking primitive, I use in quotation marks, we 199 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: don't need. Yeah, And I think that what we are 200 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: seeing and what we are living in and the reality 201 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: that we're living in, as as as the climate crisis 202 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: is now here, it was impending, you know twenty years ago. 203 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: It is now literally on our shores, in our fields, 204 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, in these fires, hurricanes, tornadoes, in the warming seas. 205 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: Talk to me about this, this symbiotic relationship that you created, 206 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: UM with these guardians, Um and these and these waterways 207 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: and how it is entwined in both the world that 208 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: you were creating but also the world that you that 209 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:30,359 Speaker 1: you live in as a as a as a native. Yeah, 210 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: now that's a really beautiful question. And um, all different, 211 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: I mean, indigenous culture is all very different. So I'll 212 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: just talk about it from an OIV kind of standpoint. But, um, 213 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: this idea of kinship, and I don't even like I work. 214 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: I'm a PhD student and I also work for the 215 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: Four Service, so I work in environmental science and then create. 216 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm trying to be a creative writer. But I love it. 217 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: I love that. That's amazing. Thank you trying to juggle 218 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: these um these different worlds and like you just said, 219 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: like you know, I don't want to call it Western science, 220 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: but often not being able to speak to or understand 221 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: necessarily that the way that the story ends, right is 222 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: the ocean itself. The waves are kind of acknowledging the 223 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: characters and their ask for help, and then we have 224 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: these really kin based relationships and ancestral relationships with sharks 225 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: in the story. So that doesn't translate very easily when 226 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about environmental science. Um, but I think we 227 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: need more of it and we need more dialogue between 228 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: the two. Also, just this idea I like the word 229 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: that you use, but this idea of like a symbiotic relationship. 230 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: I want to say win win, But there there has 231 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: to be ways right that people aren't like the bad 232 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: guys an environment quite often, you know, it's like we 233 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: talk about pollution and deforestation over fishing, they're all and 234 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: those are all anthropogenic harmships on the environment. And So 235 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: what I love about fiction and what I love about 236 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: writing as opposed to doing maybe hardcore science, is that 237 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: like we can imagine these futures or kind of be 238 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: a little bit more radical with thinking about care based 239 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: relationships and what it means to have one on one 240 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: relationships with individual places and creatures and things like that. 241 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, I love that question. I don't know how 242 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: we bring more of that into like the real world, 243 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: but that's what I would love to keep writing about 244 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: and see happening, you know. I it's so interesting to 245 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: me because I feel like we always tend to look 246 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: at the problem as being too big to be able 247 00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: to imagine possibilities outside of what we can see. And 248 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: I think that the beauty of fiction writing, particularly around futurism, 249 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: is giving a freedom, um to the reality that you 250 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: exist in as a PhD student, Like this is the reality, right, 251 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: and if I had the ability to imagine something different, 252 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: something great, or something beyond fear right, which I think 253 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: is also something that you, um that is talked about 254 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: in in in your story is this you know, what 255 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: is fear? Um? And and how fear how fear is 256 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: translated differently among people. So I want to also like 257 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: ask you, you know, with your main characters and this 258 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 1: and this, um, what becomes a love story? UM? What 259 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: what was it about? You know? And trying not to 260 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: give too much away, but what is it about the 261 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: conversation around fear and around love that you felt necessary 262 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: for your peace? I love that question. UM. I think 263 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: personally I have me but like um, you know I was, 264 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: I have been going through unrequitted love. So identifying both 265 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: on the other on the um our male character side 266 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: of like you know, I loved this person for like 267 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: forever and you don't know it. And I think that 268 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: is also almost a metaphor for the the the sea 269 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: and the land and like having all of that love 270 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: for us um, and then my female character UM, just 271 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: chalk full of grief and rage and just like I'm 272 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: not I don't given like just like I'm not afraid 273 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: of anything because I've already lost it all. And so 274 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: I think, UM, kind of having these two clashing kind 275 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: of narrative between this hopeful romantic energy UM, and I 276 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: think that reflects some of of my own like hopeful 277 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: romantic energy for our futures and then this awful grief 278 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: and rage UM. And I feel like I've been in 279 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: that state for a while thinking about, you know, our 280 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: environmental futures. And so it's kind of a battle of 281 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: the two UM metaphorically and like big picture UM. And 282 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: so then the coming together at the end and the 283 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: having the ocean and her husband having passed away like 284 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: picking opehe so like him being a part of that 285 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: UM and having the ancestral realm and the spirit realm 286 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: and the ocean realm all kind of acknowledging that union 287 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: of both of those energies. I think big pictures kind 288 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: of telling for what we need both of those things 289 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: going forward, UM, in in our interactions with the environment 290 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: and with each other. So yeah, I don't know if 291 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: I answered that, no, you did, you did in the 292 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: stark reality of what we are being presented with, which 293 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: is catastrophe, right, like that is. I don't think that 294 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: I'm hyperbolic to say that when every hurricane, fire and 295 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: tornado season is more historic than the last, that we 296 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: are in a problematic zone. I don't think that it's 297 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: crazy that at the time of this recording, I woke 298 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: up to seventy two degree temperatures in New York on 299 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: November in November, right, and that is and that is 300 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: that has been the norm. It's my birthday month and 301 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: my birthday week. It has been the norm over the 302 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 1: last ten years. I don't remember wearing I haven't worn 303 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: a coat or a scar for anything on my birthday 304 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: for the last several years. Wow, Because it has been 305 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: roughly in the high sixties or seventies in November. So 306 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: when I when I say that, to say that, you know, 307 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: we're living at a time of great transformation. And I 308 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: guess I want to get a sense from you where 309 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: you live in a place that, in many people's minds, 310 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: right is the idealic you know, center of beauty and 311 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: of environmentalism and a forestry and waterfalls and rainbows and 312 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: all of these things. Are what are the sentiments, right, 313 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: the lived realities of a place that is both a 314 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,719 Speaker 1: part of and removed from mainland. And so because of 315 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: being removed from mainland and situated in the sea, will 316 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: be the first part, you know, of the United States 317 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: outside of Florida and you know, in the Key and 318 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: the southern coastal regions to be adversely affected. Yeah, by 319 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: this great transformation that we're in. So can you give 320 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: us a perspective or some insight into what those feelings are? Yeah? No, 321 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: I love your I mean talking about New York being 322 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: seventy two degrees this morning, I'm like, oh my goodness, Yeah, 323 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: it's real, and yeah, I think you know, I struggle. 324 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: I go back and forth because we are removed from 325 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: the mainland. We are very We're one of the most 326 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: isolated places in the world. We're surrounded by this amazing ocean, 327 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: which is both kind of a climate stabilizer, but then 328 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: we're also dealing with sea level rise. And then when 329 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: you put that like reality into conversation and combination with 330 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: the legacies of I don't want to say colonialism, but 331 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: the legacies of why Kiki used to be a wetland 332 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: like to be a marsh kind of area, and they 333 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: brought in sand. They continue to bring in sand to 334 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: make this little fairy tale place for tourists, which is 335 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: awesome that it's kind of concentrated in one place, it's everywhere. 336 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: But you know, um, when you do sea level rise 337 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: projections for Waikiki, it's that whole area. Um, you talk 338 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: about parking structures being underwater. And so we've dramatically altered, 339 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: altered these island spaces in ways that are not compatible, 340 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: are rigid and just not not right. And then we 341 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: put it into combination with things like we've got some 342 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: of the nations I think, um, I don't quote me 343 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 1: on this, but you know, thousands of cesspools which we 344 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: don't have centralized sewage treatment in a lot of places 345 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: in Hawaii. So then we're thinking about our groundwater resources 346 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: and sea level rise an inundation of our ground water. Um. 347 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: And if we're talking about you know, rainfall, a lot 348 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: of people are on catchment here. So there's a lot 349 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: of like decentralized systems that I don't think are prepared 350 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: to to live in that future yet. And so being 351 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,479 Speaker 1: in a way and being remote, I think we have 352 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 1: awesome opportunity, and like you said, it's kind of this 353 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: ideal place. I think we are one of the people 354 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: who people states in the US that are we have 355 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: a carbon neutrality goal trying to like start on this pathway. 356 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's gonna be rough, and there's a lot 357 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: of um legacies and histories that are gonna contribute to 358 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,239 Speaker 1: it being a really rough transition for sure. Yeah, so 359 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: it's not it's not as maybe ideal as maybe people 360 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: think it is. But yeah, and I think I mean 361 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: but that that you know that that's kind of the point. 362 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: And I'm so glad that you brought it to the 363 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: forefront because I think that oftentimes we look at these 364 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: areas that mainland people in many countries go to visit, right, 365 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: and and think like, oh, it's a respite for them 366 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: from you know, the inundation of city life, mainland life, 367 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, what have you. But we are not connecting 368 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: the dots when we're talking about climate change where we're 369 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: talking about the climate crisis to actual people, yeah, and 370 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: to how it is affecting actual people and how it 371 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: will ultimately affect all of us. And so I wonder, 372 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: like in your PhD program, um, you know, as and 373 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: your work with UM with the forestry. Like, as you're 374 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: looking at how we are dealing with these issues, do 375 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: you see any optimism? Yes, yeah, yes, yeah for sure. 376 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: And I think kind of going back to like the 377 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: creative writing lens, but then also the for street lens. 378 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: I think for me, it's about looking backwards to look forward. 379 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: And so I am optimistic. I think, you know, the 380 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: we've got some really great minds thinking together, and but 381 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: I think the shift that needs to happen that hasn't 382 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: happened yet maybe is I feel like it's easy to 383 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, it's big corporations. I don't have 384 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: control over it, like it's beyond me, or you know, 385 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: getting political will to make certain things happen, like getting 386 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: the funding for a sewage treatment plant or something like that, 387 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: or stopping before station that all of these issues are 388 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: very can be very abstract and even for like a 389 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,479 Speaker 1: government agency or a nonprofit that's trying to tackle these issues. 390 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: And so thinking more on what is my kuliana, which 391 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: in Hawaiian is just you have a right but also 392 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: you have a privilege to something, but it's dependent on 393 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: hard to translate, but your responsibility and so I think 394 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 1: for me is kind of each person has a kuliana 395 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: to something right, and so that's hard to do when 396 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: people are working forty hours a week and like they've 397 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: got their kids and bills and jobs, and but yeah, 398 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna have to start on a much 399 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: more individual, ancestral and place based kind of arena. And 400 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: then the question for people like me who work in 401 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: environmental science is how do we empower and make that 402 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: possible for other people? But that's where I see the 403 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: optimism inclinment futures. But yeah, Gina, why do you think 404 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: that it is important for contests like Grists, Fixed Labs 405 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: contest around imagining an abundant future? Why do you think 406 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: that that is important, particularly around futurism science fiction, to 407 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: imagine abundance in our future. Yeah, I mean, I think 408 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: it's really easy to go for the dystopian. And I think, 409 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: you know, even in this kind of competition, we we all, 410 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: myself included, kind of have some kind of dystopian future, 411 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: like we're all like it's not it's dark, but something 412 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: like Grist where they're genuinely in the prompt saying we 413 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: need to be hopeful, we need to be creative. Let's 414 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: think about how our futures can be abundant, abundant in 415 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: not just resources or but abundant enjoy in spirit and 416 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: thinking what that looks like. So I think it's super important. 417 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: And I think when we need to be radical first 418 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: and then by doing things like this, having that creative 419 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: energy or these ideas, whether they're insane contraptions or different 420 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: kind of conservation programs or companies that are business smart 421 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: art not business smart, climate energy smart. So I think 422 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: once we have that radical, creative like energy out there, 423 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: maybe we can inspire people or there's a spark from 424 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: one of them that can can lead to something tangible 425 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: and concrete action. So I think we need the I 426 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: don't want to say the crazies, but we need the 427 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: visionaries out there to come up with these creative, awesome ideas. 428 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful that Grist does this because it's 429 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: so exciting. Like I'm still reading through everybody's stories. I 430 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: haven't gotten through everybody's but like Seven Sisters by m 431 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: Susan K. Quinn, I was like, I'm never going to 432 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: drink a cup of tea the same way like again. Ever, 433 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: it's just like you three stories alter you. And that's 434 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: what good art does. So I think, UM, yeah, I'm 435 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: super grateful for Grist for doing it. You know, I 436 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,719 Speaker 1: think that what is really important in times of great 437 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: angst uh and instability is to really dive into art, 438 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: is to really like when the present finds itself UM 439 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: at a place of great friction. It is really important 440 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: to get to a place of imagination UM. Because I 441 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: think that it's I think it's really easy. I say 442 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: this to my listeners all the time. I, you know, uh, 443 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: vacillate between rage consistently and rest. And I think that 444 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: that I do all the time. And and rest is 445 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: where the creativity comes. You can't create in a place 446 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: of rage because it is restricting. It is it is 447 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: moving from a place of scarcity. And I think that 448 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: what I've loved about your story, what I loved about 449 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: the stories of the last few authors that we have 450 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:56,959 Speaker 1: had on UM is I finish feeling abundant. I finish 451 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: feeling I finished feeling really power. So my last question 452 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: for you is what are you hoping that folks you 453 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: know listening to woke up and deciding that they want 454 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: to delve into all of the amazing Stories a part 455 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: of Imagine twenty two hundred. But what are your hopes 456 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: that people take away from this kind of this kind 457 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: of abundant, radical futurist storytelling. So many things, but I 458 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: hope that people, I hope they do dive into the 459 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: collection and read these stories and then realize that they everybody, 460 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: we each have our own story and our own contribution 461 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: and our own hopes for the future. And so I 462 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: think just acknowledging, like what do you even want to 463 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: see and pick envisioning that because I feel like a 464 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: lot of times it's hard to look past this year 465 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: or five years, but when you start pushing that timeline 466 00:32:54,560 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: to two hundred years, your grandchildren's grandchildren, like, you know, thinking, 467 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: I hope it helps people to think long term, big picture, 468 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: both forward looking and backward looking, thinking about their genealogies, 469 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: who they are, their stories, their kupuna, their ancestors, elder stories, 470 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: because there's value there and then and and thinking about 471 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: their own, yeah, their own narratives as having value and meaning. 472 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: And so I hope that's what this collection empowers um 473 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: and just I hope it gives people hope because I 474 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: feel like it's so easy to lose hope UM. And yeah, 475 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: I just I hope. I hope other people find some 476 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: kind of some threat or star that they can follow 477 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: and navigate towards something big, big feature UM thinking So yeah, Well, Gina, 478 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: I just I want to thank you for making the 479 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: time to join us on weka APP. I want to 480 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: thank you for this beautiful for this beautiful writing, UM, 481 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: and I hope to read more of your work well 482 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: into the future because it left me uplifted. M folks. 483 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: The story is by the skin of your teeth and 484 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: it is part of Imagine twenty two hundred fixes um 485 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: Futurist Creative Writing Contest, and we will link to to 486 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: the story to Gina's story in the in the notes 487 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: and Gina, thank you so much and I hope that 488 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: you'll come back having me. I appreciate it. That is 489 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: it for me today, dear friends on woke a app 490 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,240 Speaker 1: as always, Power to the people and to all the people. Power, 491 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,959 Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck.