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Speaker 1: multiple pieces? All that was nasty, right there? Rights the

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Speaker 1: latest news and notes from the guys who cover the teams.

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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam the ground by Fota Baker like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: of nobody. Here's Paul Calvic. All right. See, you guys

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Speaker 1: are armed, I presume with your phones at the ready.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna go full Adam Schefter,

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Speaker 1: you know, and some real time news and you guys

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground here brought to you by Pacific Office Automation,

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Speaker 1: prop partner of the Arizona Cardinals. But Darren Urban, Kyle

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Speaker 1: da Guard, you guys are packing? Is that correct? As

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Speaker 1: we do this real time edition nearly of NFL Free

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Speaker 1: Agency Cardinals Underground twenty twenty one. Are you gonna be disappointed,

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Speaker 1: Paul if we say that we always have our phones

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Speaker 1: right here and it's really no different than any other time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'm just off to a robust

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Speaker 1: start again. I'm getting no buy in from anyone, So

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Speaker 1: that's good. It's good. I feel right at home. So

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Speaker 1: already I'm getting pushedback, you know, I'm I'm not ten

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Speaker 1: lacking Kyle. So good, we're off to a great start.

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Speaker 1: I like when Adam Schefter Ian Rappaport is on TV

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Speaker 1: with a live spot and then they're like checking their

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Speaker 1: phone because there's some sort of breaking news and they're

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Speaker 1: trying to tweet into a live segment at the same time.

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Speaker 1: I know that's what it was going to be as

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Speaker 1: like multimedia journalism, but that's what it's turned into. Do

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Speaker 1: you buy it, though? Do you buy it? All the time,

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Speaker 1: because how many times us as media members in locker rooms, especially, oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, after a brutal or painful loss where

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Speaker 1: a certain pro athlete maybe didn't play his best, and

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Speaker 1: in an effort to avoid the media, the athlete pretends

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Speaker 1: like he's having a phone conversation. Is he's trying to

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Speaker 1: leave the locker room, right so? And how many times

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Speaker 1: do you know there's no one on the other line,

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Speaker 1: and that's just a ploy to get out of answering

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Speaker 1: any questions from the pesky media. Sometimes I really wonder,

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Speaker 1: I mean they're up there on set during some of

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Speaker 1: that programming, really because that looks awful, self important and

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Speaker 1: dare I say self indulgent. So here's a story, Paul.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to leave the name out since it was

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Speaker 1: under some dubious circumstances. But way back from the day

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Speaker 1: when I first started covering the team, when you went

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Speaker 1: up to Flagstaff for training camp, the way training camp

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Speaker 1: is eventually evolved is to get anybody. Now you're having

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Speaker 1: media people come to you, or you're going into the

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Speaker 1: locker room. In normal non pandemic times, back in the day,

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Speaker 1: out after a meal, but basically you're on your own

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Speaker 1: him his lips removing, but the phone was always plashed

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Speaker 1: right to his ear as he kind of sauntered past us,

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Speaker 1: I said, Okay, I can do that. Should have loaned

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Speaker 1: ghost conversation on the way out. Well, the reason I

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Speaker 1: bring this up, Kyle in a roundabout way, we're already

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Speaker 1: but I always want to say that. Um, I've made

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Speaker 1: serve as a bit of an an allegory, if you will,

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Speaker 1: to illustrate the potential pitfalls and travails of NFL free agency.

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Speaker 1: So that in mind, you guys see you guys see

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Speaker 1: this here, you guys see what this is? Can you

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Speaker 1: can you see this? Can I get this in frame

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Speaker 1: over here? It's definitely not your little trophy three inch trophy,

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Speaker 1: but a beautiful pick It's lightly used. You know, the

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Speaker 1: moral of this story. Be armed and ready to take

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Speaker 1: your swing in NFL Free Agency, but make sure you've

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Speaker 1: done your homework and you know exactly what you're going

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Speaker 1: to strike when you land that blow. Because sometimes, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: the best swing is the one you don't take. And

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Speaker 1: if only I would have lived by my own advice

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Speaker 1: this past weekend, I wouldn't now be calling someone who

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Speaker 1: is an expert in landscape technology to fix my drip system.

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Speaker 1: That truly was a beautiful parallel. I'm gonna try to

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Speaker 1: figure out what it means exactly, but I guess you're right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you swing too big, then you're gonna

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Speaker 1: pop a hole on your roster. I have no idea

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Speaker 1: what it means, but congratulations on having to spend money

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Speaker 1: the problem, Paul, when we try and take this stuff

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's it's a curse, it really is.

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Speaker 1: I betch of Kyle is like super good around the house. No,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily. I did put in some more vines in

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Speaker 1: You know, we'll look over the block wall into our

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Speaker 1: here's my segue, Kyle. Did the Arizona Cardinals fix what

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Speaker 1: years for nine million dollars, to me, that's a fantastic

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Speaker 1: I mean he led the NFL. Marcus Golden did in

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Speaker 1: And to Kyle's point, Darren, yeah, the price was right. Look,

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Speaker 1: just the intensity and energy brings on an everyday basis,

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Speaker 1: and I do mean every day, Darren do you remember

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Speaker 1: it was the road trip to Boston. It was late

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Speaker 1: and it's cold, and you're sitting there on a Saturday,

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Speaker 1: I ran into the guy like seven times on that Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Every time he was total mister energy, smile, let's go.

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Speaker 1: four positions in free agency? Was someone at some point?

429
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: That's a hard question for me. I mean, do I

430
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: think they necessarily have starters that they sign in free

431
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: agency for all those things? Not necessarily, I mean from

432
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Speaker 1: B I think they've got to look carefully at the

433
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: offensive line. I know center has been brought up a

434
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: few times. It'll be I'm very curious to see exactly

435
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: how that goes. Again, if they were looking at Lindsley,

436
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: was it just that guy? Or do they have other options?

437
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: And Austin Reader who got cut by the Chiefs. And

438
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: Alex Mack who's older, he's thirty five, but he's still

439
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 1: very effective, very smart, still known as a maller. You

440
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Speaker 1: bring him in maybe on a one or two year deal.

441
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: I could see that, for example, Jarry exactly, and so

442
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Speaker 1: I could understand if there's something there. I think you

443
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: have to sign a cornerback and receiver. I think they

444
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: need to try and find somebody. But I think again,

445
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 1: like cornerback, there's a lot of wide receivers on the

446
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: market right now too, So I'm not going crazy. You

447
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: got your number one, and now I want to get

448
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: the right guy from number two for the right price.

449
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: And again it might be a one year thing, and

450
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Speaker 1: then you maybe draft somebody at some point in a

451
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: deep draft, a wide receivers. Still getting back to your question,

452
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Speaker 1: I don't know if they get everybody, but I think

453
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna share equity. I mean, again, the money is

454
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: going to be an issue, and they are in a

455
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: position where they can still do some things with guys

456
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 1: on the roster with their their contracts if they have

457
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Speaker 1: to create more cap space. But I mean I think

458
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 1: you also don't want to overpay. I mean, it's been

459
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: proven you don't want to overpay. And free agency, whether

460
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: your cap is down or not, what do you think,

461
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: how do the Cardinals need to fill those needs by

462
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Speaker 1: the time they get to the draft. Was someone at

463
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: some point in free agency those four position groups? Yeah,

464
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: I think that that deadline is important, Like by the draft.

465
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, they will and they should. Will it

466
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 1: be within the first two or three days of free agency.

467
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Speaker 1: Maybe that's one of those guys or two of those guys.

468
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Speaker 1: But I feel like where everything stands. With free agency

469
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: so much supply out there, it's really a buyer's market.

470
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: I do think they're gonna fill all of those spots

471
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Speaker 1: in free agency. I think cornerback is a no brainer.

472
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: I think wide receiver would make a lot of sense.

473
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Speaker 1: And you didn't mention tight end, you didn't mention right tackle.

474
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Speaker 1: Those are two positions where they could go as well.

475
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Speaker 1: But I do feel like they're set set up where

476
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Speaker 1: they they're in favorable cap position. They're a team that

477
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Speaker 1: wants to try to win in twenty twenty one. They

478
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Speaker 1: have Kyler Murray on the rookie deal, so I think

479
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Speaker 1: if there are good players available, like a second wide receiver,

480
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Speaker 1: an upgrade at interior O line or right tackle, this

481
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Speaker 1: is the time to strike. So I think Cardinals will

482
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Speaker 1: be active in free agency. We'll see when it happens

483
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,239
Speaker 1: and how it happens, but I think there's a lot

484
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: of good players out there that you can have at

485
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: a good price. Running back, I still feel like Chase

486
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: Edmans can have more of that load and you can

487
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: find somebody for two million bucks to kind of be

488
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: that let's play thirty five percent of the time type player.

489
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: But yeah, I still think corner, wide out, o line,

490
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: tight end, any of those combination. I think they'll be

491
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: pretty active, you know, as far as right tackle goes.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up because Ron Wolfley on

493
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: Big Red Rage spend an inordinate amount of time talking

494
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Speaker 1: about Marcus Gilbert and I stopped him on air live

495
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: and I said, Okay, are you surmising or are you reporting?

496
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: Are you citing any sources or these voices in your head?

497
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: Where is this coming from? Exactly? And of course wolf

498
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: you know he declared there was no way he's out

499
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,719
Speaker 1: here in anything from anyone. Well, fishy, fishy, I just

500
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 1: think gets a little, you know, So I really wonder

501
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: if Marcus Gilbert might be the guy that you bring

502
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: back in free agency. Then if number sixteen overall in

503
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Speaker 1: the draft, or is there a Tristan Worst is sitting

504
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: right there boom, you go that direction. As much as

505
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: I'm on the record as saying they need to go

506
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Speaker 1: corner in the first round. If the guy you think

507
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: is a franchise right tackle is sitting there at number sixteen,

508
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: you go that direction. But you guys got to remember

509
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: that after the twenty nineteen season, it wasn't just us

510
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: in our observations, a lot of the assistant coaches would

511
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: tell you that Marcus Gilbert was the best offensive lineman

512
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: on the roster. Now there's no doubt I think he's

513
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: been surpassed by DJ Humphreys at this point. But Marcus

514
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: Gilbert might be your answer at right tackle. And then

515
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, tight end is that that other area,

516
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: Darren and and maybe it ends up being Dan Arnold

517
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: just because he's such a good fit in Cliff Kingsbury's offense,

518
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: at least from the outside looking in. Although there are

519
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: a lot of names out there at tight end, dan

520
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: Arnold does seem to fit the skill set that Cliff

521
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: kings Very would covet in this offense. Well, I want

522
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: to back up real quick before I get to Dan

523
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: Arnold and just say we don't do we know what

524
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: Marcus Gilbert is doing it. When we last turned from

525
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: Marcus Gilbert, he had opted out. I don't call anything

526
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: official coming out saying he's definitely going to play this year,

527
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: So I don't. I don't know if you want to

528
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: necessarily go all in right, you sound like me on

529
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage. I was a little curious as

530
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: to why Wolf was spending so much time talking about

531
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: it he doesn't mind, and reminding us that Marcus Gilbert

532
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: had not filed his retirement papers yet. Well, that's that's true.

533
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: But I mean that happens to a lot of guys.

534
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he's retiring, but he might just

535
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: say until we know exactly what's going on with COVID.

536
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: I'm not playing football either, so that I'm hesitant on that.

537
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: The Dan Arnold thing, I think is interesting. What we've

538
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: talked about this before. I think I think they'd like

539
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: to have Dan Arnold back. I think he fits. I mean,

540
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: I think it's going to depend on what kind of

541
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: money he wants. I don't know if he's going to

542
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: have a gigantic market out there, and he certainly isn't

543
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: a guy that I would think he's going in the

544
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: first round of all these free agents. I mean, I

545
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: think he's kind of a second wave or a third

546
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: wave kind of guy. So it'll be interesting to see

547
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: how that plays out. Because again, our teams are the Cardinals.

548
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: Are they in a position where they're saying, Okay, we

549
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: want you back, but here's the number, and if you

550
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 1: turn us down right now, we may the number might

551
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: not be there when you come back to us later

552
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: and say, okay, you know what, I do want that number,

553
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: So you know you don't know what it's going to be.

554
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: I think this is also fluid. It's as certain free

555
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: to see always is with some players. There's always this

556
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: weird game of chicken anyways in terms of what they

557
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: can get out there and what the team might offer them.

558
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: And inevitably there's always guys that come on to your

559
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: team later that you know are super disappointed in the

560
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: money they ended up taking and having to come back.

561
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: Rodney Gunter comes to mind off the top of my

562
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: head when they signed it, and Tonio Camardi a few

563
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: years ago is because there was no market for Camardi

564
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: and they managed to get them all the kind time

565
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: signs right before training camp are guys that couldn't get

566
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: the money they really wanted. So it'll be interesting to

567
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: see what dan ARL's market ends up being and whether

568
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: they can get something done here soon or rather than later,

569
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: or if he can find something else. All right, So Kyle,

570
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: you're ready for my latest greatest Larry Fitzgerald theory. Here

571
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: we go. I think every single edition of Cardinals Underground

572
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: for two months plus, I've had a different theory as

573
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: to what's the hold up? What is Larry waiting for?

574
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: Here's my latest. Could it be that he's waiting to

575
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: see whether the Cardinals make a splash sign in a

576
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Could it be he's waiting to see if

577
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: indeed they sign him Marvin Jones or a Curtis Samuel.

578
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: You got to figure that Kenny Galladay is going to

579
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: get the bag from someone that's going to be a

580
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: record breaking amount of money that's not feasible nor realistic

581
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: by the Arizona Cardinals. But if they're bringing in a

582
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: proven number two receiver, and maybe Larry wants to know, okay,

583
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: am I going to be DeAndre Apkins, Curtis Samuel for example,

584
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: and a Christian Kirk, you know what's left is the

585
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: number four receiver ostensibly in this offense. Or if the

586
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: Cardinals do not end up striking a deal with one

587
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: of these receivers and the market is too robusts and

588
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: the deals are too rich for their liking, then maybe

589
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: Larry has a little more leverage to strike a final

590
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: salary figure, if you will. It's definitely one of my

591
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: favorite theories among your thirty seven theories in the last

592
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: couple of months. But see, I always felt like Larry

593
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald was gonna dictate that a little bit. If he

594
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: wanted to play, he was going to return in the

595
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: slot and be your starting slot receiver, and he'd have

596
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: to figure it out around him. But as long as

597
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: it's taken, maybe you're right. Maybe it depends on what

598
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: they do at wide receiver, where if he's the number three,

599
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: it makes sense to come back because you know they're

600
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: gonna do a lot of three wide receiver sets. You're

601
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: gonna play as much as he did last year. If

602
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: there weren't any playing time guarantees and you come into

603
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: the season as the number four, that's a very odd

604
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: place for somebody like Larry Fitzgerald, who started every game

605
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: of his probably his entire life, for every single stage

606
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: of football. So yeah, I mean, maybe maybe that's part

607
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: of it. I'm personally really surprised that there hasn't been

608
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: a resolution to this. I figured in February we would

609
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: have heard about Larry Fitzgerald's retirement decisions. So maybe there

610
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: are some inner workings that are going on that still

611
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: need to be figured out, or he just is taking

612
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: his time like we've thought of, or he already knows

613
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: and he just hasn't told anybody. I mean, there's a

614
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: lot of theories, but that playing time thing is pretty interesting,

615
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: and I guess we'll get to the bottom of it

616
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: whenever the free agency's over and when Larry Fitzgerald decides.

617
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean maybe that is a theory with

618
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: some feet. Well I know is we've been on Larry

619
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: Watch for two and a half months now, Darren, So

620
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: what why when I'm just I'm trying to fill in

621
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: the blank here and try and think what exactly is

622
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: the hold up? What is left to decide and deduce

623
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: about this situation. I'm just gonna I'm worried about what

624
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna do on this podcast for every fitth section

625
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: that we've had, for all the lacks whatever hour many weeks.

626
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna have this giant void we're gonna

627
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: end up having instead of hour long podcast, forty minute

628
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: podcast because we're just gonna have this big divot. Larry,

629
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: do us a favorite take this at least into it

630
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: within two weeks of the draft, and then we can

631
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: segue into one hundred percent draft coverage. If you give

632
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: us another three to four weeks on this, that would

633
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: be opportune. Thank you. You know that's possible, right, that

634
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: he could take it that long. I mean, look, I

635
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: don't I don't know exactly what's going on. I've had

636
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: somebody say, you know, maybe it's just the most simple explanation,

637
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: I mean to me, and the simple explanation for this

638
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: person was that they had already decided on what money

639
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: he's taking and he's going to come back and everything.

640
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: I mean to me at this point, and I'm not

641
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: saying that I know this or this is what's going on,

642
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: but to me, the most explanation why it would take

643
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: this long as he's decided to retire. The team knows

644
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: he's going to retire, and he just wants to he

645
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: just doesn't feel like saying it yet quite yet. And

646
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: yet it's not going to really impact the team, so

647
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: he can kind of take his time because it doesn't

648
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: really matter and he'll do it on his own time.

649
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: Or I mean, there's so many different things. Maybe he

650
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: wants to retire, but he wants to make sure he's

651
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, in you know, Madagascar, so that he doesn't

652
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: have to talk to anybody about it, or you know,

653
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: any of these things. I gotta be honest. Love fits.

654
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: I think it's exhausting trying to figure out what he's thinking.

655
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: I think we're just gonna end up knowing when we know.

656
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: And I don't rule out either one of them right now.

657
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: I can come up with reasons why right now, having

658
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: it taken so long, I can come up with reasons

659
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: why he'd stay, and I can come up with reasons

660
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: why he would not stay. The only thing that I

661
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: would get thrown on is I would agree with Kyle,

662
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: which is if he's really waiting, like you were saying,

663
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: to see if they're going to sign another receiver where

664
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: he might fit, that doesn't make any sense to me.

665
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: To me, if he really wants to play, and he

666
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: let them know he wants to play, then yeah, then

667
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: they'd make that work rather than putting him in this

668
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: terrible position of like, yeah, we're basically going to force

669
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: you to retire because we're signing this guy. Unless there

670
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: are things going on behind the scenes. Maybe that has happened.

671
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: Maybe they're like, Larry, we really like to move on

672
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: from you, and he's kind of fighting that. I don't know.

673
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: I don't know any of these things. This is all

674
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: completely speculate. Somebody did tweet me, yeah, Paul Kelbac and

675
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: they said, Paul pencil neck. Look, it's so obvious Larry's

676
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: not going to announce his retirement until after the recruiting

677
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: period of free agency is over, because the team has

678
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: asked him to not retire because they want all the

679
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: free agents to think until they at least put their

680
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: name down in ink that Larry is going to be

681
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: part of the Cardinals twenty twenty one or perhaps beyond,

682
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: and Kyle shaking his head, And that is exactly my

683
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: reaction when somebody sent me that three that one. I'm

684
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: not taking ownership of Kyle, even though I advanced it regrettably. So, yeah,

685
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: the recruiting tool you need is the money, like that's

686
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 1: the number one, two, three, four, five reasons. And then

687
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: is the team competitive? I think that would be very

688
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: far down the list, but the next wrong. And if

689
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: certain players are on the team, that's great. If you

690
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: have relationships, that's great, but funny talks. I think almost

691
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: every free agent will go to the best deal unless

692
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: it's a big time Super Bowl contender and they're veteran.

693
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: But hey, maybe somebody loves Larry enough to want to

694
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: sign because there's a chance he's on the team. But

695
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: I did not tweet you that. That wasn't my burner account.

696
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: And here's something that another pit guy on the Arizona

697
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: Cardinal's roster would out last Larry Fitzgerald and Andy Lee.

698
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: I never I never thought that would happen, Darren. So

699
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: so I'm guess I'm just not willing to accept it yet.

700
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: It's interesting. And again this is as we record this,

701
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of this stuff is gonna

702
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: super fluid. But as we record this, somebody just tweeted

703
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: out that all of the top, out of all the

704
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: things that have happened in this early process, nobody's signed.

705
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: But we obviously have had a bunch of deals agreed

706
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: to already. None of the top receivers have you know,

707
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: at this point, Galladay's out there, this Sniff Schuster and

708
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: Corey Davis and Samuel and Fuller and Aguilo and Antonio

709
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: Brown and Marvin Jones, none of those guys, And not

710
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: only have they not agreed anywhere, but I haven't even

711
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: seen their names anywhere at this point. And so maybe

712
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are in on that and maybe there is

713
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: a trickle down effect. I don't know how that would

714
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: necessarily directly impact fits, but I do know that the

715
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: longer the process goes for that position, the more likely

716
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: that there's a guy that the Cardinals might be willing

717
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: to get for the kind of price they want could

718
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: be available. And then I just think that changes a

719
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. Or do I just go back to

720
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: my theory. I think it was three weeks ago before

721
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 1: the JJ Watt that he's way for another splash signing.

722
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: Are you writing all these theories down so that we

723
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: you know, I really should I should have him listed

724
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: here so I could reference him exactly as to when

725
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: I advanced them and how wrong I was at the moment.

726
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: Although I think that J. J. Watt did come to fruition,

727
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: he's waiting to see, like the rest of us, what

728
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: exactly is the ending to this story? A free agency

729
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: in offseason twenty twenty one. Now, the thing is, if

730
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: you put out seventy different theories and you mark them

731
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: whenever fits to sides and announces it, you find that clip,

732
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: you get it on Twitter, call yourself postdamis, and then

733
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: people are gonna be like, wow, he did it. Wait, wait, wait, wait,

734
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: did you just say post damas well? Gus I wouldn't

735
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: be the only one in the business trumpets their victories

736
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: and ignores all the other inaccuracies out there. Believe me,

737
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: you know, talking about somebody. It's my New Year's resolution

738
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: is to play that game, so you know, but I will.

739
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: So Andy Lee is coming back and speaking of special teams,

740
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: Zeke Turner reportedly right, he's he's been tender Dennis Gardeck

741
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: as Darren and mentioned Kyle, So give me your thoughts

742
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: on those guys. Potentially looks like you know, reportedly they're

743
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: returning to the Arizona Cardinals. Yeah, I mean a second

744
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: round tender for Dennis Gardeck, that's practically a slam dunk

745
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: that he'll be back, and it says that they believe

746
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: in him despite tearing the ACL that they don't think

747
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: that this pass rushing stuff was a fluke where maybe

748
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: he's not an every down edge linebacker, but if you're

749
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: a pass rush specialist, what he does on special teams

750
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: as well, that's a valuable player in the NFL. So A,

751
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: I think it says something about the injury where it's

752
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: maybe not a bunch of the ligaments and not this

753
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: like very long. I mean it's gonna be a long recovery,

754
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: but not one where you're super worried about him getting back.

755
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: And then also just his ascent within the NFL when

756
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: he went from undrafted special teams guy to getting some

757
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: time on defense and really taking off with it. So

758
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: good for him to get the tenders like more than

759
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: three million dollars. So that's a hefty rate for Dennis Cardek,

760
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: which is great for him. I know we all root

761
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: for him. Ezekiel Turner is a little bit more interesting

762
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: because it's right or first refusal, so if anybody else

763
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: wants to sign him, they're not giving up any draft compensation,

764
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: So you could sign him and the Cardinals would decide

765
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: whether to match or not. But I think it's a

766
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: good price where it makes sense where Ezekiel Turner would

767
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: want to sign that and come back and make more

768
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: than two million dollars to be mostly a special teams piece.

769
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 1: And it just shows that those two block punts that

770
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: catch on the fake punt, I mean, he did so

771
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: many good things on special teams last year that they

772
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: were willing to give him a hefty raise based purely

773
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 1: on that, and it obviously says that they want him

774
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: and Guardek to be a big part of the special

775
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 1: teams moving forward. They obviously take a lot of pride

776
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: in that and they believe that those guys can contribute

777
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 1: on special teams first and foremost, and then Guardek probably

778
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: defensively as well. Kardek is just you know, you're reminded

779
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: of the story of two twenty. He'd had zero defensive

780
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: snaps in his first thirty four games. He ends up

781
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: in Week five and the Jets when Chandler Jones comes

782
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: out with what was a torn bicept injury, and boom

783
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: he gets into the backfield and all of a sudden, okay,

784
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: and that's a fluke. And then by the time his

785
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: final appearance of the season comes around in Week fifteen

786
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: against the Eagles, he got twenty five defensive snaps. He

787
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: had two sacks at the point at which he ends

788
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: up tearing as acl that you could hear the groan

789
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: from the press box. No, because it was such a

790
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: great story on so many different levels. But you're right, Kyle,

791
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: I mean, at that point, Darren in Week fifteen, he

792
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: was known if teams needed to or wanted to game

793
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: plan against Dennis Gardeck. As outrageous as that might sound

794
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: as a pass rusher, no longer should they have been surprised.

795
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: And he had two sacks in that game against the Eagles,

796
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: albeit at a very banged up Eagles offensive line that

797
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: was playing very poorly. But to do it in twenty

798
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: five snaps in that game and to have that sort

799
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: of production rate per snap, I mean to me, that

800
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: might be the most intriguing aspect of next season. Can

801
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: Dennis Gardeck pick up where he left off? Unfortunately he's

802
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: dealing with the ACL, so we don't know how that's

803
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: going to play out. It's it's funny because it really

804
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: really underscores what they think of him all the way around.

805
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 1: I mean that that second round tender is I think

806
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: three point three million dollars and that's just for this year,

807
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: which means, you know, you think J. J. Watt's got

808
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: a cap number of four point nine million, and Dennis

809
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: Gardeck right now is a gonna have a cap number

810
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: three point three million. It's kind of mind blowing a

811
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 1: little bit, especially coming off an ACL. It'd absolutely underscores

812
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: that they think he can be a good pass rusher.

813
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: Going forward. It me it shows how much I mean

814
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: Jeff Rogers knowing that he's got a good chance to

815
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: at least keep Turner and Guardeck. I know they I'm

816
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: sure he hopes they could keep Trent Shurfield too. But

817
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: Jeff Rogers, the assistant head coach and special teams coordinator,

818
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: has to love the fact that those guys will be around.

819
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I just feel like, you know, I think

820
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: he means a lot, and you hope he can come

821
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: back off this ACL And for all the worries that

822
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: we've had about what Hassan Reddick does, I mean you

823
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: you are after the JJ Watts signing. You are feeling

824
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: a lot better of where this pass rush could be

825
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: by late September of twenty twenty one. Then you were

826
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: maybe a month ago where all but Chamdler Jones was

827
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: going to be a free agent. You didn't know exactly

828
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: what was going to be joining Jones in the past rush.

829
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: I think that means a lot. So then if you

830
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: look at the defensive front, let's see it zoom out

831
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: here on the front seven inside linebacker, you think you're

832
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: set right now. I know there's been some speculation that

833
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: Cardinals might bring back Devon de Ray Campbell. I do

834
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: not see that at all. I just don't, Kyle. But

835
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: if you look at that defensive line, is there still

836
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: room for a Corey Peters if the factor in Lucky

837
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: Foetu and Richard Lawrence and they're making this team and

838
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: they definitely made strides in the last month of this season,

839
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: healthy Jordan Phillips, If indeed Corey Peters is available and

840
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: he's recovered from his own knee injury, is a room

841
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: in that final on that final roster for one more

842
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: defensive lineman at this stage, especially a veteran. Yeah, I

843
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: think so. I mean Lucky Foe too, is your hope

844
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: for the future as the nose tackle and be that

845
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: run stuff or a kind of plug the middle. But

846
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: Corey Peters has done that at a high level for

847
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: several seasons, and based on such a major injury and

848
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: his age, Corey Peters isn't going to get a huge

849
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: deal in free agency, So it's not necessarily an issue

850
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: with the cap. It's more can he beat out some

851
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: of these younger guys for the spot? But I feel

852
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: like you're in a good spot with the pass rushing

853
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: and when you go to that jet package or when

854
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: you go to a third down and long. You have

855
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: a lot of pass rushing ability on this roster, the

856
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: run stuffing is maybe a little bit more in doubt.

857
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Speaker 1: So I think Corey Peters still makes sense. I mean,

858
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: Domata Peco came in did a pretty good job. I mean,

859
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: there's some veterans that you can get for cheap to

860
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: be your nose tackle, to be big guys in the middle.

861
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Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens. But as much as Corey

862
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Speaker 1: Peters has meant to this organization and how much he

863
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: enjoys Arizona, how much they like having him, I think

864
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Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense if it's close to

865
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Speaker 1: the veterans minimum to bring back Corey Peters, and you know,

866
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Speaker 1: provided his injury is not career threatening. I mean, we'll

867
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Speaker 1: have to see how he comes back from something like that,

868
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: which was a pretty major knee injury. But yeah, I

869
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: think there's definitely room if if it makes sense for

870
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Speaker 1: both sides. Kyle there, he's in regular season form with

871
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: the correct pronunciation of Pecco with a domata. I mean

872
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: I practice that a good three dozen times before one

873
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: of the final installments of The Big Red Rage during

874
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: the regular season because they're Jim Almahandro he was you know,

875
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, kyl BC, Domata, don't screw it up.

876
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: And by the way, Domata was excellent on the Big

877
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: Red Rage. That dude, that guy, he's his personality is

878
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: his as big as his frame. Put it that way.

879
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: What else, Darren, anything else you're seeing out there as

880
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: we talk? Please tell me that Trent Williams has left

881
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers. Is there any do we have

882
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: that good news that a franchise left tackle has bolted

883
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers and the division. That's the development

884
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: I'd love to see that has nothing to do, at

885
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: least directly with the Cardinals. The one bad thing is

886
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: that a lot of people were wondering if the Chiefs

887
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: might make a run at him, and then they signed

888
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: Joe Fooney to a giant deal or agreed with Joe

889
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: Fooney to a giant deal. They guard from the Patriots,

890
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: So it looks like there's one more team out of

891
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: the mix. Maybe maybe the Bears will come save him,

892
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: or Jacksonville or somebody. But I know Trent Williams. I

893
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: think I saw on social media that he wants to

894
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: return to the forty nine ers, So I mean money

895
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: is always going to be the one that's talking, but

896
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Speaker 1: I would guess that there's still a good chance he

897
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: stays in San Francisco. John Johnson did leave the Rams,

898
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: that's a pretty big deal, reportedly going to Cleveland. And

899
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with Shatt Griffin in Seattle. I mean,

900
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: that's a solid cornerback. But the Rams especially were in

901
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: pretty bad salary cap shape. I mean they were over

902
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: the salary cap. They had to either shed or restructure

903
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: or do some flexible things to get down. And that's

904
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: a team that might lose some talent. They've got Stafford

905
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 1: and they got Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey, so they're

906
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: elite players are there, but their depth is going to

907
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: take a hit this season. And we'll see what happens

908
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: to the Niners and the Seahawks too. But I think

909
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are in the best shape where they can

910
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: retain their good players, maybe add some on while some

911
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: of these other teams might be losing some of their talent.

912
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: Are we surprised that a Devon Knard or a just

913
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: Impe hasn't had their salary restructured, Their deal redone for

914
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: this coming year, Kyle, does that surprise you. I think

915
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: a lot of it depends on contract triggers, Like if

916
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: you have a signing or a roster bonus on a

917
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: certain day in the offseason, deadline spur action and that'll

918
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: make you have to negotiate or you'll have to cut

919
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: a player. So I think unless there's a contract provision,

920
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: you can carry guys and then if you release them

921
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: or change their contract, then it doesn't hurt you to

922
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: have them on the team. If you're under the cap,

923
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: why does it. Why not keep them? And then maybe

924
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: once you get some more signings and maybe it makes

925
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: more sense to talk to guys about restructures. But yeah,

926
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a lot of things that

927
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: Cardinals can do when it comes to the cap, and

928
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: there's ways to add more room, and maybe that will come.

929
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: But it doesn't shock me that it hasn't happened yet

930
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: because there aren't those roster bonus triggers in any of

931
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: those contracts that I know of. Because right now, if

932
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: I saw it correctly, Devon Conard's cap numbers eight million

933
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: this year justin PU would be eleven million. Also, if

934
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: I saw on Instagram, guys, didn't justin pu send out

935
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: a picture recently of him getting a haircut? Was that telling?

936
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: Was that foreshadowing there? A little bit, little bit. I'm

937
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: not commenting. If always wants to jump on here, he's

938
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: welcome to do that. Sometimes the haircut is just a haircut, Paul,

939
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: their cut, Okay, all right? You never know. Once again,

940
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: you know it's out there, and you know in the

941
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: absence of information, sometimes there's a vacuum that sucks us

942
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: into it, the black hole of media speculation. I'm not

943
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm not proud of it. We're not better off for it.

944
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: It just seems to happen. But devonkin Art was not

945
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: playing very much at all toward the end of the season,

946
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: so his salary cap number is too high based on

947
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: that role. Now, do you want him to have a

948
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: more extensive role in twenty twenty one than Maybe the

949
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: contract is more palatable. But if you have the same

950
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: role in mind, then I agree it doesn't make much

951
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: sense for him to be on the team at that

952
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: salary cap number. But there's always plans that the Cardinals

953
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 1: have that we're not privy too. And then it works

954
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: out in camp where you're like, oh, this is why

955
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: they did this, or in this offseason, that's why they

956
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: did this. I remember what Jared vel Deer. People thought

957
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: he was going to be released and he eventually got

958
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: traded to the Broncos for a late round pick. There's

959
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: kind of always these behind the scenes machinations with these things.

960
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: And yeah, you look at it, Devonkinard cat number versus

961
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: playing time last season, those don't gel. So we'll see

962
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: what happens with him. Darren, did you win or lose

963
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: your debate this? Uh? You know I should know that. Um,

964
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: you know you against Craig Grilu. Who was the victor there?

965
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: How'd that go? That was me? I mean that was

966
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: serious here now oh whoa, that was a flex. Okay,

967
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: we'll see if we see if Craig Griluh makes it

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Speaker 1: to the very end of Cardinals Underground, brought to you

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970
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: that little bit of trash talking by Darren Urban there

971
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: in that addition to debate this, I did lose. I

972
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: did not. I did not get the cop and so

973
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: I was I'm playing under protest though, Darren, I've already

974
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: sent film to the league office and we'll see. If

975
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: I hear back, they'll give me some sort of platitude

976
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: and it won't mean anything. They'll do nothing, but they'll

977
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: try to appease me. Paul. The bottom line is you

978
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: gotta go, Patrick Peterson. You next play, you gotta forget it.

979
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: You your quarterback on an island, right. You know. The

980
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: honest answer is I bigger problems. I got a massive

981
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Speaker 1: geyser in my backyard trip system, So if you guys

982
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Speaker 1: don't mind, I'm gonna have to get to that here

983
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: real quick and then try and get this out of

984
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: the house without the wife's scene that I brought in

985
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: this U filthy pickaxe here into the house, Kyle. So

986
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm hoping the props just keep on getting bigger and bigger,

987
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: because you started with the bobble head, and then you

988
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: went to the trophy and now you're at a pick axe.

989
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: So next week, I don't know if you're gonna get

990
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: like a life sized dinosaur or something. But Marshmallo tell

991
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: our boss Tim Delaney when he sees on the expense report,

992
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Speaker 1: I put down for a wide angle lens and it's

993
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Speaker 1: gonna be a good twenty grand for his quality wide

994
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Speaker 1: angle lens. Just let him know why. Okay, you guys

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Speaker 1: better have my back as we'll leave it there. Cardinals

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