Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is September the second, and the
Speaker 1: hat snatcher has apologized. Is that enough? Apparently to a
Speaker 1: lot of people, that's not enough and think he should
Speaker 1: suffer much much more. And with that, welcome to this
Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ Romes. This story really really,
Speaker 1: really really took off because it looks bad. It looks
Speaker 1: really bad. There's a tennis superstar handing a hat to
Speaker 1: a kid, a fan, a little fan, and a grown
Speaker 1: man snatches it. It looked awful.
Speaker 2: The reality is this was caught on a live broadcast,
Speaker 2: so there was nothing that was.
Speaker 3: Obviously.
Speaker 2: Neither one of them knew they were on camera, so
Speaker 2: what happened was real. It happened in real time, and
Speaker 2: you can slow it down and watch it happen. The
Speaker 2: tennis star Camille Maijak was getting inundated with fans. Everyone
Speaker 2: was very excited, and so he was handing a bunch
Speaker 2: of stuff out. But you can clearly see he is
Speaker 2: handing the hat off his head to this seeming like
Speaker 2: nine ten year old kid and you can just see
Speaker 2: him excitedly reaching for it as a grown ass man
Speaker 2: literally comes in from the side, swoops in and just
Speaker 2: takes the hat, and then you can see the kid
Speaker 2: whose jaw literally drops and says, wait, I forget yes,
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: I have his actual quote.
Speaker 1: I can tell you what this kid actually say to
Speaker 1: the man who just took and the man he turns
Speaker 1: out it's forty.
Speaker 3: Forty two years two years old.
Speaker 1: We see the kid turns to the grown man and
Speaker 1: almost exclaim like, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the kid says, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: That's exactly what that brock was a little boy's name,
Speaker 2: and that's exactly what he said, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: So you imagine this happened. This is live again, no editing.
Speaker 1: So this happened last Thursday at the US Open. We
Speaker 1: know it's hot right now and going on, but this
Speaker 1: is a big, big, big part of the US Open.
Speaker 1: And this is the thing I say, Robes, I love
Speaker 1: most about the US Open that first week is you
Speaker 1: have so much access to the side court. You can
Speaker 1: get up close and personal with a lot of the athletes.
Speaker 1: But you see them have these gaggles almost with these
Speaker 1: kids that they hold who have these big tennis balls
Speaker 1: or a hat or something, trying to get an autograph.
Speaker 1: And these tennis stars take the time to do it Now.
Speaker 1: I have been to the US Open and seen Serena
Speaker 1: Williams signing stuff, walking right by her as she's doing it.
Speaker 1: I was excited as anything. You know what I did. No,
Speaker 1: that's for the kids. It's for no matter how excited
Speaker 1: you are, So start with that with this guy. Why
Speaker 1: is he even competing with a child or an audience?
Speaker 3: It looks terrible.
Speaker 2: And then when we find out who this guy is,
Speaker 2: because of course, what happens is this video goes up,
Speaker 2: people take note of it. They start slowing it down
Speaker 2: frame by frame. They find out who this guy is,
Speaker 2: and it turns out his name is Peter Shazak.
Speaker 3: He is a.
Speaker 2: Polish millionaire CEO. He owns a paving company, and he
Speaker 2: was excited that a fellow Polish tennis star had won.
Speaker 2: So he was swept up in the excitement. His family
Speaker 2: was with him, his wife was with him, and he
Speaker 2: says his two sons were with him as well. But God,
Speaker 2: even as a father, I feel like that makes it
Speaker 2: even worse.
Speaker 3: It's maybe if he was a single guy, he wasn't
Speaker 3: thinking about it.
Speaker 2: He's a father and he still stole from someone else's child.
Speaker 1: This is where I will step in as and I
Speaker 1: think some parents and you will too, the things we
Speaker 1: have done and try to go get for our.
Speaker 2: Kids at the expense of someone else's child.
Speaker 1: We're not saying that, but to see him in there
Speaker 1: clamoring for something for his kid, maybe I could buy
Speaker 1: that part of it. And again, folks, we are not
Speaker 1: at any way editorializing this video. It is unmistakable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you haven't seen it, please go watch it.
Speaker 1: Yes, so it's this is not an interpretation of the video.
Speaker 1: What happened happened. Again, he's there, and so we have
Speaker 1: the answer for why he's there. The video now goes
Speaker 1: everywhere and again rose after he snatches the hat, I
Speaker 1: don't even think he acknowledges the boy next to him. Oh,
Speaker 1: he turns and hands the hat to I believe it's
Speaker 1: his wife.
Speaker 3: I thought he stuffed it in a back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the woman was holding the bag.
Speaker 3: He put it in a bag, immediately goes in.
Speaker 2: The kid is on the video literally looking at him
Speaker 2: like what have you done?
Speaker 3: Like why can't I get my hat back?
Speaker 2: And the man completely ignores the kid And maybe he
Speaker 2: didn't see him. I have a hard time believing that.
Speaker 2: But fine, he doesn't even acknowledge the kid to the
Speaker 2: point where it's almost apparent he knows the kid is upset,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't want to turn around and look at
Speaker 2: the kid. He doesn't want to acknowledge the pain he's
Speaker 2: just caused, so he keeps his back turned to the
Speaker 2: kid the entire time.
Speaker 1: And the kid is a door. And what makes it worse,
Speaker 1: the kid is adorable, like he is the perfect tennis fan.
Speaker 1: He's like ten years old. They forgot name. His name
Speaker 1: was Brock, that's perfect. But he had this long, shaggy
Speaker 1: kind of blonde hair, right, yes, he was just perfect,
Speaker 1: like how are you up? But he reacted the way
Speaker 1: all of us did, like what are you doing?
Speaker 2: So genuinely it was and he was like did that
Speaker 2: just actually happens?
Speaker 3: That's what I thought?
Speaker 2: And you could see that was the energy and everything
Speaker 2: that kid was putting out was like what the hell?
Speaker 3: How did this man just do that?
Speaker 1: Okay, So to all of this, so this is the drama,
Speaker 1: this is the situation, this is the video that so
Speaker 1: many have seen and robes it actually got worse. So
Speaker 1: he goes viral with the video, people figure out who
Speaker 1: he is, and then he goes even more viral after
Speaker 1: he I said that in air quotes puts out a
Speaker 1: statement in response to how viral he has gone.
Speaker 2: And so I actually want to be fully transparent here
Speaker 2: because when we get ready in the morning for morning run,
Speaker 2: we each take different stories. This was my story, and
Speaker 2: I was watching Obviously I watched the video, but then
Speaker 2: I was watching news reports, and that's where I saw
Speaker 2: that this CEO, millionaire Peter Shazaik, put out a statement
Speaker 2: and the news anchors were just aghast. They were editorializing
Speaker 2: in a way that most news anchors don't, but just saying, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm having a hard time reading this, but guys, take
Speaker 2: a listen to what this man put out in a statement.
Speaker 2: And it was everywhere and everyone was reacting to this
Speaker 2: statement that was allegedly written by the man who stole
Speaker 2: the hat. It reads, yes I took it, Yes I
Speaker 2: did it quickly. But as I've always said, life is
Speaker 2: first come, first served. I understand that some people might
Speaker 2: not like it, but please, let's not make a global
Speaker 2: scandal out of the hat.
Speaker 3: It's just a hat. If you were faster, you would
Speaker 3: have it, which is just the most awful thing.
Speaker 2: And then it goes on to basically say, if you
Speaker 2: keep complaining about me and my company, because he's recognizing,
Speaker 2: or at least acknowledging in this statement that people have
Speaker 2: now found out who he works for, that he's a
Speaker 2: CEO of this company. Basically, I will pursue legal action
Speaker 2: against you if you continue to say terrible things about me.
Speaker 2: And then the news anchor was saying, hey, and this
Speaker 2: was all in Polish. It's been translated. This is the
Speaker 2: best translation. But my goodness, how could somebody say this
Speaker 2: after they've done what they've not? People were just outraged.
Speaker 2: So then that created a whole other heap of hate.
Speaker 2: And I had put this in Morning Run and you're like, babe,
Speaker 2: it doesn't look like he actually said the statement. I
Speaker 2: was like, what, So it goes to show and I
Speaker 2: just want to point this out. It's always whatever is reported,
Speaker 2: which is the salacious, horrific thing that he was reported
Speaker 2: to have said. That's everywhere everywhere. I did not see
Speaker 2: anywhere that had taken it down or had said we
Speaker 2: put this up an error. It turns out he didn't
Speaker 2: make this statement. We actually don't know where this statement came,
Speaker 2: none of that, And I actually had to do a
Speaker 2: deep dive to find anyone who even briefly acknowledged that
Speaker 2: there was a false statement potentially put out, or that
Speaker 2: they didn't know where this statement.
Speaker 3: The retraction is never there. The amount of press you
Speaker 3: get for the wrong.
Speaker 2: Information is ginormous, and then there's almost no attention given
Speaker 2: at all to the false nature of that statement. So
Speaker 2: it turns out he didn't actually put that out there,
Speaker 2: and when you read it, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: As soon as you read it, and that this has
Speaker 1: happened a couple of times. It's something recently. I can't
Speaker 1: remember the incident, but something like this happened where somebody reacted.
Speaker 1: There was a statement that went around that was just
Speaker 1: it was fake. It's fault. But it gets going, and
Speaker 1: so so much negativity, so much hate has gone this
Speaker 1: guy's way, and so much of it that we have
Speaker 1: read is specifically based on comments they think he made
Speaker 1: that he actually didn't make. And just it has to
Speaker 1: please everybody. Take a beat. Please before you condemn somebody.
Speaker 1: Tell someone that they need to lose their job, lose
Speaker 1: their way of life, their company needs to fold. He
Speaker 1: made a mistake. We're not defending that, but Robes, this
Speaker 1: is another prime example of how dangerous this is. And
Speaker 1: you damn right, this is very personal to us because
Speaker 1: a lie was told, it got going and there's nothing
Speaker 1: you can do to stop it, and it cost us
Speaker 1: careers that we had. Don't know what it might end
Speaker 1: up costing this guy, but we have seen all kinds
Speaker 1: of hate going his way, and they specifically say it's
Speaker 1: based on what he said in that statement, that statement
Speaker 1: that he actually didn't say, what the what are we
Speaker 1: supposed to do?
Speaker 2: It's gutting because you can, you can obviously still feel
Speaker 2: upset by what you saw by this man's actions, absolutely
Speaker 2: say what he did was wrong. And I believe to
Speaker 2: think that this false statement that was said as if
Speaker 2: he said it, and then the other layer, the whole
Speaker 2: other round of hate that came his way because of it.
Speaker 3: Think about that.
Speaker 2: Imagine, once someone says you said something, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: if you said it or not. And to your point, TJ,
Speaker 2: it is personal. Once people say a picture represents something
Speaker 2: that it doesn't, you can't untell that story. And it's
Speaker 2: so difficult when every day people will bring back up
Speaker 2: something that actually was never true and you can never
Speaker 2: fully combat it. So yes, on that level, I feel
Speaker 2: for him because yes, he did something wrong, Yes he
Speaker 2: needs to apologize, which we'll get into, and he did,
Speaker 2: and yes, are those people still humans who have an
Speaker 2: opportunity to do better, be better, grow from this, and actually,
Speaker 2: can we give people second chances? Can we give people
Speaker 2: a beat to recognize where they made a mistake and
Speaker 2: then do better. I just it's disheartening to me how
Speaker 2: much we just always want a good guy and a
Speaker 2: bad guy. We can't ever accept the fact that maybe
Speaker 2: someone is made a bad choice but isn't a bad person.
Speaker 2: We don't ever give people that I guess, that that
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Like just that grace.
Speaker 2: There's no other word for it other than grace.
Speaker 1: Because the thing always we judge other people by their
Speaker 1: worst actions, and we judge ourselves by our best intentions.
Speaker 1: And so the way we can keep that balance. And
Speaker 1: again I've learned this through therapists and all kinds of
Speaker 1: people who have we've talked to over the years about projecting, Like,
Speaker 1: why are we attacking this guy for a mistake? We like,
Speaker 1: we can put we can heap everything on him because
Speaker 1: we see what he screwed up, we see the mistake
Speaker 1: he made, Well, how bad of a mistake have you
Speaker 1: made this week last week in your family that we
Speaker 1: all don't know about. He made an awful mistake. We
Speaker 1: are not rose and I are not defending at all
Speaker 1: what this dude did, but I'm also not defending the
Speaker 1: response to it either. So this man, yes, he did
Speaker 1: put out a statement, kind of a linky statement as
Speaker 1: as well, and we'll let you hear word for word
Speaker 1: what he said and how he apologized unequivocally for what happened.
Speaker 1: But also we want to continue to ask that question,
Speaker 1: what punishment does this man deserve and what right do
Speaker 1: you have to decide it.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to this edition of Amy and TJ, where
Speaker 2: we are talking about the hat grab that went round
Speaker 2: the world from Peter Shazik taking that hat that was
Speaker 2: intended clearly for a ten year old boy next to him.
Speaker 2: He has actually dealt with not only the backlash from
Speaker 2: that action that he certainly needs to and has taken
Speaker 2: responsibility for, but he is dealing with backlash for a
Speaker 2: statement he never even made, where someone jumped in in
Speaker 2: Polish to make it seem more legit, saying something outrageous
Speaker 2: that he never actually said. So, if you're interested in
Speaker 2: hearing what SHA's Eric actually said, what his true statement was,
Speaker 2: We actually have it here for you, and this is legit.
Speaker 2: This came from him directly, not from someone posing as him.
Speaker 1: And we'll piece this together because it's kind of kind
Speaker 1: of long here. But he starts by saying, due to
Speaker 1: the situation that occurred during Camille Myijack's eijacks match at
Speaker 1: the US Open, I would like to sincerely apologize to
Speaker 1: the injured boy, his family, all the fans, and the
Speaker 1: player himself. I made a great mistake. In the midst
Speaker 1: of emotion amidst the crowd celebration after his victory, I
Speaker 1: was convinced the tennis player was offering his cap to
Speaker 1: me for my sons, who had asked for an autograph earlier.
Speaker 1: A mistaken belief made me instinctively reach out. Today, I
Speaker 1: know I did something that looked like deliberately taking a
Speaker 1: souvenir from a child. It wasn't my intention, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't change the fact that I hurt the boy and
Speaker 1: disappointed the fans. You buy that so far, so good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was a really good apology. I
Speaker 2: think that's a really good apology. I have to say, look,
Speaker 2: it's it's embarrassing, it's humiliating to admit that you let
Speaker 2: your own excitement and maybe it was for what you
Speaker 2: wanted for your children to overtake logic, overtake just having
Speaker 2: any sort of situational awareness. How many times do we
Speaker 2: encounter and do I find myself all of us do
Speaker 2: find ourselves not being situationally aware. We know what we want,
Speaker 2: we know what we need, we know what maybe our
Speaker 2: children want, and we're not thinking about other people's kids.
Speaker 2: We're not thinking about the people around us. And all
Speaker 2: of us have done that to some degree in a
Speaker 2: crowd at some.
Speaker 1: Point, and sometimes it just comes off as inconsiderate. Maybe
Speaker 1: you step off in front of somebody when you getting
Speaker 1: off an elevator, maybe you don't give a little gear.
Speaker 2: Crowded streets, small whatever.
Speaker 1: Little things happen, and we are all unaware, and we
Speaker 1: all make mistakes. He made it in front of cameras,
Speaker 1: and we made it to the worst possible victim, right,
Speaker 1: but it was still a mistake, yes, And be.
Speaker 2: That I do think that people, we all make mistakes,
Speaker 2: and I think that so far, I really appreciate this
Speaker 2: apology because unfortunately the statement that was attributed to him
Speaker 2: earlier was so egregious. I just worry that that's the
Speaker 2: only one people who are going to read. That's the
Speaker 2: only one people are gonna see. People aren't going to
Speaker 2: actually hear what he really did have to say, because sadly,
Speaker 2: when you do take a beat and you don't actually
Speaker 2: immediately respond, turns out people will respond for you and
Speaker 2: you can't undo it. That's what's so scary about the
Speaker 2: world we live in now.
Speaker 1: But why can't we all we just assume, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know what robes this is. Probably I should give
Speaker 1: people a break. Why wouldn't they just believe what I
Speaker 1: don't know, believe what they see. There's a statement just
Speaker 1: running around, Babe.
Speaker 3: I believed it, just babe.
Speaker 2: I not only did I see it, but then I
Speaker 2: was like, let me go actually investigate. And I started
Speaker 2: pulling up news reports and they were all repeating this
Speaker 2: false statement.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I fell for it. I fell for it.
Speaker 2: So his statement, his actual statement goes on to say
Speaker 2: the cap was given to the boy and an apology
Speaker 2: to the family, meaning he returned the cap. I hope
Speaker 2: I have at least partially repaired the harm. I also
Speaker 2: want to make it clear, neither I, my wife, nor
Speaker 2: my sons commented on this situation in any way social
Speaker 2: media and on any other portal. We did not use
Speaker 2: the services of any law.
Speaker 3: Firm in this regard.
Speaker 2: All alleged statements appearing online are not our own.
Speaker 1: Now, would that trigger anyone to take something down? Know?
Speaker 1: Who's going to read that? Who's going to see this one?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: This is because it's not sexy. Right Still, it doesn't
Speaker 1: make a cool headline, it's not fun and funny. You
Speaker 1: can't attack a guy for this. What do you attack
Speaker 1: him for? Yes, he messed up? Please, I hope no one.
Speaker 1: We've said it right.
Speaker 3: You're not defending what he absolutely made a mistake.
Speaker 1: He made a mistake. But that's where we're we are.
Speaker 1: We end up right having an indictment of the person's
Speaker 1: character based on the moment that they have. So you
Speaker 1: make a mistake, that means you are evil?
Speaker 3: You are your mistake.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know, none of us.
Speaker 2: None of us want to be our worst mistake, and
Speaker 2: we don't want to be remembered from worse mistake, and
Speaker 2: we don't want to never be able to move past
Speaker 2: our worst mistake. So if you don't want that for yourself.
Speaker 2: My hope is that we can all extend that to him.
Speaker 2: He goes on to say, my wife and I have
Speaker 2: been involved in helping children and young athletes for years,
Speaker 2: but this situation has shown me that one moment of
Speaker 2: inattention can destroy years of work and support. It is
Speaker 2: a painful, but a lesson in humility. It is painful,
Speaker 2: but a lesson in humility is needed.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Therefore, I will be even more actively involved in initiatives
Speaker 2: supporting children and young people, and in actions against violence
Speaker 2: and hate. I believe that only through actions can I
Speaker 2: rebuild the lost trust. Once again, I apologize to everyone
Speaker 2: I have disappointed. Please understand. Out of concern for my family,
Speaker 2: I have decided to disable commenting on this post.
Speaker 3: That was actually really smart.
Speaker 2: Yours, sincerely, Peter Shazik.
Speaker 1: That's a that's an apology, well done.
Speaker 3: I agree, is it not? Yes?
Speaker 1: So, I mean he's taken full responsibility for it. But this,
Speaker 1: but I mean, this should be This should be a
Speaker 1: template for apologies. One moment of inattention can destroy years
Speaker 1: of work and support one moment. And he's right, and
Speaker 1: that sucks. But how many CEOs, how many things have
Speaker 1: we seen where companies are hurting? I guess Tesla is
Speaker 1: a high profile situation for all kinds of reasons, but
Speaker 1: just any moment that the ceo appears to be doing
Speaker 1: something wrong, the whole company can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Walter no, And speaking of his company on Google,
Speaker 2: the company has received so they've found out the company
Speaker 2: he is ceo of the company now has plummeted to
Speaker 2: just one point two stars. So you know you can
Speaker 2: you can rate a company. It's a sick stars to
Speaker 2: one star on Google review. His company is now at
Speaker 2: one point two stars. One of the reviews. I'll read
Speaker 2: it for you just to give you an idea of
Speaker 2: what people are leaving in the review column. The ceo
Speaker 2: of this company doesn't have any morals, stealing from children
Speaker 2: and then defending himself in public. Don't ever do business
Speaker 2: with this company.
Speaker 1: Based on a falsehood. She is telling the world, don't
Speaker 1: do business here this guy. She's trying to shut him down.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to just please caution, I just caution, folks,
Speaker 1: I caution you. Even if you hate what he did,
Speaker 1: which I hate what he did, he apologized for it,
Speaker 1: and why do we start with he must be evil
Speaker 1: for why don't we start with, Okay, this was a
Speaker 1: good guy who made a mistake versus he's a terrible guy,
Speaker 1: and he just confirmed it for me.
Speaker 2: We all have moments of bad judgment, yes, And if
Speaker 2: you're honest with.
Speaker 3: Yourself, you know you have.
Speaker 2: And there have been so many of those moments where
Speaker 2: you are thanking God that no one else saw, that
Speaker 2: no one else knew, that no one else was rolling
Speaker 2: on you, that no one else was recording you.
Speaker 3: With what you did or said or whatever.
Speaker 2: But we've all been there, not to that extent. And
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that is what we like. I
Speaker 2: get it, and we all feel better about ourselves thinking
Speaker 2: I would never do that. And see, that's what this
Speaker 2: all comes down to. We watched that video and we
Speaker 2: say I would never do that. He must be an asshole,
Speaker 2: and then we feel better about ourselves. It really does
Speaker 2: come back to that.
Speaker 1: And again, this is not something we have come up
Speaker 1: with our own. These are things we have learned through lessons.
Speaker 1: We have been taught through life, through experience, and through
Speaker 1: yes therapy, And you know what we have throughout our lives.
Speaker 1: Rogues have access to a bunch of thought leaders and
Speaker 1: a bunch of people who are trying to help people
Speaker 1: get through these moments, and that's one of the things
Speaker 1: they absolutely do talk to us about a lot. So
Speaker 1: we're all working on it. We're trying to do better.
Speaker 1: But I this is not an episode to defend now
Speaker 1: the actions of Peter Shaseric, but this is one to
Speaker 1: make sure we are not defending as well the actions
Speaker 1: of so many people and how they've reacted to something.
Speaker 2: And I do think it's just another lesson in how
Speaker 2: we view how we receive news, whether it's through TikTok
Speaker 2: or accredited news stations who get it wrong sometimes who
Speaker 2: fall for things. I fell for it this morning as well.
Speaker 2: But just to view what you read, to view what
Speaker 2: you hear with a little touch of skepticism, just keep
Speaker 2: a space open for the fact that you might not
Speaker 2: have all the facts, and then just allow yourself that
Speaker 2: space for consideration. And I think that's just a big
Speaker 2: part of how hopefully we can all do better in
Speaker 2: getting information and then processing that information. So it was
Speaker 2: a tough thing to watch. I feel like there's so
Speaker 2: many lessons in it. And look, I hope that you know.
Speaker 2: The little boy was great. He got celebrated by his
Speaker 2: tennis star. He got a new hat, he got a
Speaker 2: bunch of extra merch, he got a big photo op.
Speaker 2: It actually created a really special moment, like this terrible
Speaker 2: thing that happened actually created a really special moment for him.
Speaker 2: And that's all online as well. So look, it kind
Speaker 2: of feels like there was a happy ending, so to speak,
Speaker 2: and if everyone can grow and learn from it, it wasn't.
Speaker 3: A bad thing.
Speaker 1: You know, that kid is having a good time at school.
Speaker 3: I love Yeah, he's a hero of the day.
Speaker 1: He's having a good time. All right. Well, we always
Speaker 1: appreciate Ja haying with us for my dear partner, Aby
Speaker 1: Robot on t J. Holmes. We'll see y'allso