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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is September the second, and the

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Speaker 1: hat snatcher has apologized. Is that enough? Apparently to a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, that's not enough and think he should

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Speaker 1: suffer much much more. And with that, welcome to this

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Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ Romes. This story really really,

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Speaker 1: really really took off because it looks bad. It looks

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Speaker 1: really bad. There's a tennis superstar handing a hat to

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Speaker 1: a kid, a fan, a little fan, and a grown

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Speaker 2: The reality is this was caught on a live broadcast,

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Speaker 2: so there was nothing that was.

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Speaker 3: Obviously.

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Speaker 2: Neither one of them knew they were on camera, so

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Speaker 2: what happened was real. It happened in real time, and

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Speaker 2: you can slow it down and watch it happen. The

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Speaker 2: tennis star Camille Maijak was getting inundated with fans. Everyone

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Speaker 2: was very excited, and so he was handing a bunch

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Speaker 2: literally comes in from the side, swoops in and just

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 3: I have his actual quote.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you what this kid actually say to

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Speaker 1: the man who just took and the man he turns

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Speaker 3: Forty two years two years old.

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Speaker 1: We see the kid turns to the grown man and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the kid says, what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what that brock was a little boy's name,

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Speaker 2: and that's exactly what he said, what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: So you imagine this happened. This is live again, no editing.

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Speaker 1: So this happened last Thursday at the US Open. We

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Speaker 1: know it's hot right now and going on, but this

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Speaker 1: is a big, big, big part of the US Open.

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Speaker 1: And this is the thing I say, Robes, I love

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Speaker 1: most about the US Open that first week is you

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Speaker 1: But you see them have these gaggles almost with these

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Speaker 1: kids that they hold who have these big tennis balls

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Speaker 1: or a hat or something, trying to get an autograph.

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Speaker 1: And these tennis stars take the time to do it Now.

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Speaker 1: I have been to the US Open and seen Serena

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Speaker 1: I was excited as anything. You know what I did. No,

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Speaker 1: that's for the kids. It's for no matter how excited

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Speaker 1: you are, So start with that with this guy. Why

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Speaker 3: It looks terrible.

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Speaker 2: And then when we find out who this guy is,

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Speaker 2: because of course, what happens is this video goes up,

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Speaker 2: and it turns out his name is Peter Shazak.

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Speaker 3: He is a.

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Speaker 2: Polish millionaire CEO. He owns a paving company, and he

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Speaker 2: was excited that a fellow Polish tennis star had won.

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Speaker 2: So he was swept up in the excitement. His family

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Speaker 2: says his two sons were with him as well. But God,

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Speaker 2: even as a father, I feel like that makes it

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Speaker 3: It's maybe if he was a single guy, he wasn't

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Speaker 2: He's a father and he still stole from someone else's child.

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Speaker 1: This is where I will step in as and I

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Speaker 2: Kids at the expense of someone else's child.

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Speaker 1: We're not saying that, but to see him in there

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Speaker 1: that part of it. And again, folks, we are not

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Speaker 1: at any way editorializing this video. It is unmistakable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you haven't seen it, please go watch it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so it's this is not an interpretation of the video.

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Speaker 1: What happened happened. Again, he's there, and so we have

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Speaker 3: I thought he stuffed it in a back.

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Speaker 3: Like why can't I get my hat back?

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Speaker 2: And the man completely ignores the kid And maybe he

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Speaker 1: And the kid is a door. And what makes it worse,

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Speaker 2: So genuinely it was and he was like did that

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Speaker 2: And you could see that was the energy and everything

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Speaker 3: How did this man just do that?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So to all of this, so this is the drama,

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Speaker 2: And so I actually want to be fully transparent here

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Speaker 2: we each take different stories. This was my story, and

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Speaker 2: that this CEO, millionaire Peter Shazaik, put out a statement

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Speaker 2: and the news anchors were just aghast. They were editorializing

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Speaker 2: And it was everywhere and everyone was reacting to this

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Speaker 2: first come, first served. I understand that some people might

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Speaker 3: It's just a hat. If you were faster, you would

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Speaker 2: And then it goes on to basically say, if you

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Speaker 2: And then the news anchor was saying, hey, and this

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Speaker 2: which is the salacious, horrific thing that he was reported

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Speaker 3: The retraction is never there. The amount of press you

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Speaker 2: Information is ginormous, and then there's almost no attention given

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Speaker 1: As soon as you read it, and that this has

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Speaker 2: It's gutting because you can, you can obviously still feel

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Speaker 2: Imagine, once someone says you said something, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 2: I not only did I see it, but then I

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Speaker 1: Now, would that trigger anyone to take something down? Know?

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Speaker 1: This is because it's not sexy. Right Still, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: You are your mistake.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know, none of us.

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Speaker 2: None of us want to be our worst mistake, and

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Speaker 2: My hope is that we can all extend that to him.

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Speaker 2: Therefore, I will be even more actively involved in initiatives

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Speaker 2: I have disappointed. Please understand. Out of concern for my family,

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Speaker 3: That was actually really smart.

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Speaker 2: Yours, sincerely, Peter Shazik.

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Speaker 1: That's a that's an apology, well done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Walter no, And speaking of his company on Google,

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Speaker 1: Based on a falsehood. She is telling the world, don't

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Speaker 1: And again, this is not something we have come up

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